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0:07:46 here’s Scott Horton and Mark Dubowitz.
0:08:05 Gentlemen, all right, it’s great to have you here.
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0:08:15 All right, as it stands now,
0:08:17 there’s a barely stable ceasefire
0:08:18 between Iran and Israel.
0:08:22 Let’s maybe rewind a little bit.
0:08:25 Can we first lay out the context
0:08:27 for this Iran-Israel war
0:08:29 and try to describe the key events
0:08:30 that happened over the past two weeks?
0:08:34 Maybe even a bit of the deep roots of the conflict.
0:08:35 Sure.
0:08:37 First of all, thanks so much for having me on.
0:08:38 Great to be on with Scott.
0:08:40 I know he and I don’t agree on a lot,
0:08:41 but I certainly admire the passion
0:08:45 and the dedication to stopping wars.
0:08:47 So that’s something we want to talk about.
0:08:49 So let’s talk about how we got to this war.
0:08:51 So President Trump comes into office
0:08:55 and immediately lays out that his Iran strategy
0:08:58 is maximum pressure on the regime
0:09:00 and he will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
0:09:03 And he makes that clear consistently.
0:09:06 I think he made it very clear during his first term,
0:09:07 made a clear threat throughout his career
0:09:12 and thus begins this process with the Iranians,
0:09:14 which has kind of multiple tracks,
0:09:17 but the one that Trump sees most interested in at the time
0:09:18 is the diplomatic track.
0:09:20 And he makes it very clear from the beginning
0:09:22 and a sort of Oval Office remark.
0:09:24 He says the Iranians can either blow up
0:09:27 their nuclear program under U.S. supervision
0:09:29 or someone’s going to blow it up for them.
0:09:32 And even though, you know, at the time,
0:09:35 we think Netanyahu is really trying to push the president
0:09:36 into a military campaign.
0:09:39 Well, I’m sure we’ll talk about that throughout the podcast.
0:09:43 The president authorizes his lead negotiator
0:09:45 and close friend, Steve Witkoff,
0:09:47 to begin outreach to the Iranians
0:09:49 and thus begun the Oman round.
0:09:51 And it’s Oman round because it’s taking place in Oman
0:09:54 with mediation efforts by the Omanis.
0:09:58 There are five rounds of negotiations with the Iranians.
0:10:00 And through the course of those negotiations,
0:10:05 the U.S. finally puts on the table an offer for Iran.
0:10:07 We’ll talk about the details of that.
0:10:08 The Iranians reject that offer.
0:10:11 And we’re now into the sixth round,
0:10:14 which is supposed to take place on a Sunday.
0:10:17 On the Thursday before the Sunday,
0:10:21 the Israelis strike and they go after
0:10:23 in a rather devastating campaign
0:10:26 over a matter of now 12 days,
0:10:29 they go over and go after Iran’s nuclear program,
0:10:31 the key nuclear sites,
0:10:34 going after weapons scientists
0:10:35 who are responsible for building
0:10:38 Iran’s nuclear weapons program,
0:10:41 and also go after top IRGC,
0:10:42 Islamic Revolutionary Guard commanders,
0:10:44 as well as top military commanders.
0:10:48 And yet there’s still this one site
0:10:50 that is the most fortified site.
0:10:51 It’s called Fordow.
0:10:52 It’s an enrichment facility.
0:10:54 It’s buried under a mountain,
0:10:56 goes about 80 meters deep.
0:10:57 It’s encased in concrete.
0:10:59 It has advanced centrifuges
0:11:00 and highly enriched uranium.
0:11:03 The Israelis can do damage to it,
0:11:04 but it’s clear it’s going to take
0:11:07 the United States and our military power
0:11:09 in order to severely
0:11:11 degrade this facility.
0:11:13 And Trump orders
0:11:14 the United States Air Force
0:11:16 to fly B-2 bombers
0:11:19 and drop 12 massive Ordens penetrators,
0:11:21 which are these 30,000-pound bombs
0:11:24 on Fordow in order to,
0:11:25 as he said,
0:11:27 obliterate it more realistically
0:11:29 to severely degrade it.
0:11:30 So that happens.
0:11:33 And then he offers the Iranians,
0:11:34 as he’s been offering all the way through,
0:11:36 you have an option.
0:11:37 You can go back to Oman.
0:11:38 I told you Oman,
0:11:40 and you decided to force me
0:11:41 to go to Fordow.
0:11:42 But now we can go back
0:11:43 for negotiations.
0:11:46 And he forces a ceasefire
0:11:47 on the Iranians,
0:11:48 gets the Israelis to agree.
0:11:50 And that’s where we are today.
0:11:51 That’s right, as you say,
0:11:52 a tentative ceasefire
0:11:54 that just came into effect.
0:11:55 And we’ll see now
0:11:57 if the Iranians decide
0:11:58 to take President Trump
0:12:00 on his repeated offers,
0:12:01 join him in Oman
0:12:03 for another round of negotiations.
0:12:04 Scott, is there some stuff
0:12:05 you want to add to that?
0:12:06 Sure.
0:12:09 Well, he started with January, right?
0:12:10 Trump’s second term here
0:12:12 in the maximum pressure campaign.
0:12:13 Essentially,
0:12:15 as should be clear to everyone now,
0:12:17 all these negotiations
0:12:18 were just a pretext for war.
0:12:20 Trump and his entire cabinet
0:12:22 must have known
0:12:23 that the Ayatollah
0:12:24 is not going to give up
0:12:26 all enrichment.
0:12:28 That is their latent
0:12:29 nuclear deterrent.
0:12:31 Their posture has been
0:12:32 heavily implied,
0:12:34 don’t attack us
0:12:35 and we won’t make a nuke.
0:12:37 While America’s position was,
0:12:38 if you make a nuke,
0:12:39 if you start to,
0:12:40 we’ll attack you.
0:12:42 So it’s the perfect standoff.
0:12:43 But what happened was,
0:12:44 and you might remember
0:12:45 a few weeks ago,
0:12:46 there was some talk about,
0:12:47 well, maybe we could find a way
0:12:49 to compromise on some enrichment.
0:12:50 Maybe they could do a consortium
0:12:51 with the Saudis.
0:12:53 Maybe there’s some way that we,
0:12:53 and then nope,
0:12:55 the pressure came down.
0:12:56 No enrichment,
0:12:57 zero enrichment.
0:12:58 But that’s a red line.
0:13:00 Everyone knows that there’s,
0:13:01 and even now,
0:13:04 it’s probably less likely than ever
0:13:06 that they’re going to give up enrichment.
0:13:07 Sure, they bombed Fordo,
0:13:08 but they didn’t destroy
0:13:09 every last centrifuge in that place.
0:13:12 And the Iranians are already announcing
0:13:14 that they’re already begun construction
0:13:15 on another facility
0:13:17 under a taller mountain,
0:13:18 buried even deeper.
0:13:19 And, you know,
0:13:20 they figured out
0:13:22 how to enrich uranium hexafluoride gas,
0:13:23 you know,
0:13:24 what, 20 years ago now.
0:13:27 And they will always be able to.
0:13:29 And this is the slippery slope
0:13:31 that we’re on with these wars.
0:13:32 Is, in fact,
0:13:35 I saw a friend here on TV the other day,
0:13:37 as he almost pretty much
0:13:38 just implied there,
0:13:38 saying, well,
0:13:40 now Trump has to go in.
0:13:41 You know,
0:13:42 we were told,
0:13:43 it’s just Israel doing it.
0:13:43 Don’t worry.
0:13:44 But then, no,
0:13:45 Trump has to
0:13:47 hit Fordo,
0:13:49 or else now
0:13:50 they’ll break out
0:13:51 toward a nuclear weapon.
0:13:52 So, in for a penny,
0:13:53 in for a pound,
0:13:54 in for a ton.
0:13:55 And now,
0:13:56 once we bomb
0:13:57 Fordo again,
0:13:58 and Natanz again,
0:14:00 and the new facility again,
0:14:01 then it’ll be decided that,
0:14:01 no,
0:14:04 as Benjamin Netanyahu said the other day,
0:14:04 you know,
0:14:05 it would really solve this problem
0:14:07 if we just kill the Ayatollah.
0:14:09 Then everything will be fine.
0:14:11 Then we’ll have a regime change.
0:14:11 And then what?
0:14:13 Then we’ll have a civil war
0:14:14 with Bin Ladenites
0:14:15 again in the catbird seat,
0:14:17 just like George Bush
0:14:18 put them in Iraq
0:14:19 and Barack Obama
0:14:20 put them in Libya
0:14:21 and in Syria.
0:14:23 And we’ll have Aziris
0:14:24 and Baluki suicide bombers
0:14:26 and Shiite,
0:14:27 you know,
0:14:28 revolutionaries
0:14:28 and whoever
0:14:30 all vying for power
0:14:31 in the new
0:14:32 absolute chaos stand.
0:14:34 If you listen to the administration
0:14:35 and Mr. Duis,
0:14:37 they’re essentially just implying that,
0:14:37 like, oh yeah,
0:14:38 mission accomplished.
0:14:39 We did it.
0:14:40 Their nuclear program’s destroyed.
0:14:41 Now we don’t have to worry
0:14:41 about that anymore.
0:14:42 But that’s not true.
0:14:43 Now there’s
0:14:45 every reason to believe,
0:14:46 and we don’t know for sure,
0:14:48 there’s every reason
0:14:48 to believe
0:14:49 that at least
0:14:51 it’s much more likely now
0:14:52 that the Ayatollah
0:14:53 will change his mind
0:14:55 about God changing his mind
0:14:56 and will say that actually
0:14:57 maybe we do need
0:14:58 a nuclear deterrent.
0:15:00 That’s really what it’s been for
0:15:00 this whole time
0:15:01 is a bluff.
0:15:03 We have bullets in one pocket,
0:15:04 revolver in another.
0:15:05 Let’s not you and me fight
0:15:06 and escalate this thing.
0:15:07 It’s the same position,
0:15:07 by the way,
0:15:09 as Japan and Germany
0:15:10 and Brazil.
0:15:11 Two of the three of those
0:15:12 are under America’s
0:15:12 nuclear umbrella,
0:15:13 I admit,
0:15:13 but still,
0:15:15 where they’ve proven
0:15:16 they’ve mastered the fuel cycle
0:15:17 and they can make
0:15:17 nuclear weapons,
0:15:18 but hey,
0:15:19 since nobody’s
0:15:20 directly threatening them now,
0:15:21 why escalate things
0:15:22 and go ahead
0:15:22 and make atom bombs?
0:15:24 That has been their position
0:15:25 the whole time
0:15:25 because after all,
0:15:27 they could not break out
0:15:28 and make a nuke
0:15:29 without everyone in the world
0:15:30 knowing about it.
0:15:31 And that’s why,
0:15:31 Lex,
0:15:32 and I’m sure you can vouch
0:15:32 for me on this,
0:15:33 if you’ve been watching TV
0:15:34 over the past few weeks,
0:15:36 you’ll hear Marco Rubio
0:15:37 and all the government officials
0:15:38 and all the Warhawks say,
0:15:38 oh yeah,
0:15:39 60%,
0:15:39 60%,
0:15:41 what do you think
0:15:41 they need
0:15:42 with that 60%?
0:15:43 Implying that,
0:15:44 oh yeah,
0:15:44 see,
0:15:45 they’re racing toward a bomb.
0:15:46 But you see how
0:15:47 they always just imply that?
0:15:48 They won’t come right out
0:15:49 and say that
0:15:50 because it’s a ridiculous lie.
0:15:52 they could have enriched
0:15:53 up to 90 plus percent
0:15:55 uranium-235 this whole time.
0:15:56 The reason they were enriching
0:15:57 up to 60%
0:15:58 was in reaction
0:15:59 to Israeli sabotage,
0:16:00 first of all,
0:16:01 assassinating their nuclear scientists
0:16:02 and then their sabotage
0:16:03 at Natanz.
0:16:04 They started enriching
0:16:05 up to 60%
0:16:05 just like they did
0:16:06 in the Obama years
0:16:08 to have a bargaining chip
0:16:09 to negotiate away.
0:16:10 Under the JCPOA,
0:16:11 they shipped out
0:16:12 every bit of their
0:16:13 enriched uranium to France
0:16:15 to be turned into fuel rods
0:16:16 and then shipped back
0:16:17 into the country
0:16:18 to be used in their reactors.
0:16:19 And so,
0:16:20 they’re just trying
0:16:21 to get us back
0:16:22 in that deal.
0:16:23 It is an illusion.
0:16:23 It is,
0:16:25 and I don’t know exactly
0:16:26 what’s in this man’s mind,
0:16:27 but it’s just not true
0:16:28 that they’re making
0:16:29 nuclear weapons
0:16:30 and it has been a lie
0:16:32 of Benjamin Netanyahu
0:16:34 and his Likud party regime
0:16:34 and for that matter
0:16:35 the Kadima regime
0:16:37 of Ehud Olmert before him
0:16:38 that this is a threat
0:16:40 that has to be preempted
0:16:41 when in fact
0:16:42 it never was anything more
0:16:43 than a latent
0:16:44 nuclear deterrent.
0:16:46 Maybe a good question
0:16:47 to ask here
0:16:50 is what is the goal
0:16:51 for the United States
0:16:51 in Iran
0:16:52 in relation
0:16:54 to the nuclear,
0:16:56 Iran’s nuclear program?
0:16:59 What is the red line here?
0:17:00 Does Iran have this
0:17:02 need for a latent
0:17:03 nuclear deterrent?
0:17:05 And what is the thing
0:17:06 that’s acceptable
0:17:07 to the United States
0:17:08 and to the rest of the world?
0:17:09 What should be acceptable?
0:17:10 Yeah, Alex.
0:17:10 So,
0:17:11 there was a lot
0:17:11 to unpack there.
0:17:12 So,
0:17:12 let’s sort of just
0:17:13 back up a little bit
0:17:14 and talk about,
0:17:14 first of all,
0:17:16 the regime itself,
0:17:17 Islamic Republic of Iran
0:17:18 came into power
0:17:18 in 1979.
0:17:20 It has been declared
0:17:21 a leading state sponsor
0:17:22 of terrorism
0:17:23 by multiple administrations
0:17:24 dating back
0:17:25 to the Clinton administration
0:17:27 by Obama,
0:17:28 by Biden,
0:17:28 by Trump.
0:17:30 And it is a regime
0:17:31 that has killed
0:17:32 and maimed
0:17:33 thousands of Americans,
0:17:34 not to mention,
0:17:35 obviously,
0:17:36 hundreds of thousands
0:17:37 of Middle Easterners.
0:17:39 It is a regime
0:17:40 that has lied
0:17:42 about its nuclear program
0:17:43 and never actually
0:17:44 disclosed
0:17:45 its nuclear sites.
0:17:45 All these sites
0:17:46 were discovered
0:17:49 by Iranian opposition groups,
0:17:50 by Western intelligence agencies,
0:17:52 and the International
0:17:53 Atomic Energy Agency,
0:17:55 which is the UN agency
0:17:56 responsible for
0:17:58 preventing proliferation,
0:17:59 has come out
0:18:00 again and again
0:18:01 over many,
0:18:01 many years
0:18:02 in reports,
0:18:04 very detailed reports,
0:18:06 describing Iran’s
0:18:07 nuclear weapons program.
0:18:09 There have been
0:18:10 multiple attempts
0:18:12 at diplomacy with Iran.
0:18:13 I’m sure we’re going
0:18:13 to talk about it.
0:18:15 Scott mentioned the JCPOA,
0:18:16 so we should certainly
0:18:17 talk about the JCPOA,
0:18:18 which was the 2015 deal
0:18:19 that Barack Obama
0:18:20 reached with Iran.
0:18:22 But multiple attempts
0:18:23 to actually get the Iranians
0:18:25 to negotiate away
0:18:26 their nuclear weapons program.
0:18:27 I mean, it’s worth mentioning
0:18:29 that if Iran wanted
0:18:30 to have civilian nuclear energy,
0:18:32 there are 23 countries
0:18:33 in the world that have it,
0:18:35 but they don’t have enrichment
0:18:36 and they don’t have reprocessing.
0:18:38 We sign these deals
0:18:39 called the gold standard
0:18:40 with the South Koreans,
0:18:41 with the Emiratis,
0:18:41 with others.
0:18:42 And we say,
0:18:43 if you want civilian energy,
0:18:46 you can have power plants,
0:18:48 you can buy your fuel rods
0:18:49 from abroad,
0:18:50 but there’s no reason
0:18:51 to have enrichment
0:18:53 or plutonium reprocessing
0:18:54 because those are
0:18:54 the key capabilities
0:18:56 you need to develop
0:18:56 nuclear weapons.
0:18:59 Now, the five countries
0:19:00 that have those capabilities
0:19:02 and don’t have nuclear weapons
0:19:03 are Argentina,
0:19:04 Brazil,
0:19:05 Holland,
0:19:05 Germany,
0:19:07 and Japan.
0:19:08 And I think it’s the view
0:19:10 of many administrations
0:19:11 over many years,
0:19:13 including many European leaders,
0:19:15 that the Islamic Republic of Iran
0:19:16 is very different
0:19:17 from those aforementioned countries
0:19:19 because it has been
0:19:20 dedicated to terrorism,
0:19:22 it’s been killing Americans
0:19:23 and other Westerners
0:19:24 and other Middle Easterners,
0:19:25 and it is a dangerous regime.
0:19:26 You don’t want to have
0:19:28 that dangerous regime
0:19:30 retaining the key capabilities
0:19:31 and needs to develop
0:19:32 nuclear weapons.
0:19:33 But I want to kind of
0:19:35 get back more to the present.
0:19:36 I mentioned this
0:19:37 with the surrounding negotiations
0:19:37 at Oman.
0:19:39 Scott’s saying that
0:19:40 President Trump had said,
0:19:42 here’s the offer,
0:19:43 take it or leave it,
0:19:44 zero enrichment,
0:19:45 full dismantlement.
0:19:45 Well, in fact,
0:19:46 that wasn’t the offer
0:19:47 that was presented
0:19:48 to the Iranians at Oman.
0:19:50 The offer was a one-page offer,
0:19:51 and it said,
0:19:53 you can temporarily enrich
0:19:54 above ground,
0:19:55 you’ve got to render
0:19:58 your below-ground facilities,
0:19:59 quote, non-operational.
0:20:01 And then at some time
0:20:01 in the future,
0:20:02 three, four years,
0:20:03 as Scott said,
0:20:04 there’ll be a consortium
0:20:05 that’ll be built,
0:20:07 not on Iranian territory.
0:20:08 It’ll be a partnership
0:20:09 with the Saudis
0:20:10 and the Emiratis.
0:20:11 It’ll be under IAEA supervision.
0:20:13 And that enrichment facility
0:20:14 will create fuel rods
0:20:16 for your nuclear reactors.
0:20:18 So that was the offer
0:20:19 presented to Iran,
0:20:20 and that offer would come
0:20:21 with significant sanctions relief,
0:20:23 billions of dollars
0:20:25 that would go to the regime,
0:20:26 obviously the economy there
0:20:27 has been suffering.
0:20:29 The regime has not had
0:20:30 the resources
0:20:31 that it’s had in the past
0:20:33 to fund its,
0:20:34 what I call,
0:20:35 its axis of misery,
0:20:36 its proxy terror armies
0:20:37 around the world.
0:20:38 And it was a good offer,
0:20:40 and I was shocked
0:20:42 that Khamenei rejected it.
0:20:44 He did reject it,
0:20:45 and I think he rejected it
0:20:47 because I think he believed
0:20:48 that he could continue
0:20:49 to do to President Trump
0:20:50 what he’d done
0:20:51 to President Obama,
0:20:52 which is just continue
0:20:53 to squeeze and squeeze
0:20:54 and squeeze the Americans
0:20:55 at the table
0:20:56 in order to ensure
0:20:57 that he could keep
0:20:58 all these nuclear facilities,
0:21:00 all these nuclear capabilities,
0:21:01 so that at a time
0:21:02 of his choosing,
0:21:04 when President Trump is gone,
0:21:06 he can develop nuclear weapons.
0:21:07 Now, it is a bit interesting
0:21:09 to say that Iran
0:21:10 has no intention
0:21:11 to develop nuclear weapons.
0:21:13 And let’s examine
0:21:14 the nuclear program
0:21:15 and ask,
0:21:16 does this sound like a regime
0:21:17 that’s not interested
0:21:18 in building nuclear weapons?
0:21:20 So they built
0:21:22 deeply buried underground
0:21:23 enrichment facilities
0:21:24 that they hid
0:21:26 from the international community,
0:21:27 and they didn’t disclose.
0:21:29 They had an active
0:21:30 nuclear warhead program
0:21:31 called the MAD,
0:21:34 which ended in 2003,
0:21:34 formally,
0:21:36 when the United States
0:21:36 invaded Iraq.
0:21:38 And we know that
0:21:39 because not only
0:21:40 has that been detailed
0:21:42 by the IAEA,
0:21:43 but actually Mossad,
0:21:45 in a daring operation
0:21:45 in Tehran,
0:21:47 took out a nuclear archive
0:21:48 and brought it back
0:21:50 to the West.
0:21:51 And then the IAEA,
0:21:52 the United States,
0:21:53 and the intelligence communities
0:21:55 went after this detailed
0:21:56 archive,
0:21:57 went into it,
0:21:57 and discovered
0:21:59 that this Supreme Leader,
0:22:01 Ayatollah Khamenei,
0:22:02 had an active program
0:22:03 to build
0:22:05 five atomic warheads
0:22:07 and was a very detailed program
0:22:08 with blueprints
0:22:09 and designs,
0:22:10 all of which
0:22:11 was designed
0:22:12 under a MAD
0:22:12 to build
0:22:14 a nuclear weapons program.
0:22:15 So again,
0:22:16 it’s interesting to say
0:22:17 that he doesn’t have
0:22:18 the intention
0:22:18 to build nuclear weapons
0:22:19 when he actually
0:22:20 had an active
0:22:21 nuclear weapons program.
0:22:22 And we can talk about
0:22:23 what happened
0:22:23 to that program
0:22:24 after 2003,
0:22:25 and there’s a lot
0:22:26 of interesting details.
0:22:27 So when you combine
0:22:28 the fact that
0:22:30 he has an active
0:22:31 nuclear weapons program,
0:22:32 he has sites
0:22:33 that are buried
0:22:34 deep underground,
0:22:36 he has weapons scientists
0:22:38 who come out
0:22:39 of the MAD program
0:22:40 and continue to work
0:22:42 on the initial
0:22:43 metallurgy work
0:22:44 and computer modeling
0:22:46 designed to actually
0:22:47 begin that process
0:22:48 of building a warhead.
0:22:49 And all of this
0:22:50 has been hidden
0:22:51 from the international
0:22:51 community.
0:22:53 He has spent estimates
0:22:55 of a half a trillion dollars
0:22:56 on his nuclear program
0:22:58 in direct costs
0:23:00 and in sanctions costs.
0:23:01 And one has to ask,
0:23:02 and I think it’s
0:23:03 an interesting question,
0:23:05 to compare the UAE
0:23:06 and Iran.
0:23:07 The UAE signed
0:23:08 the gold standard.
0:23:09 They said,
0:23:09 we’ll have no enrichment
0:23:10 capability
0:23:11 or reprocessing.
0:23:12 they spent about
0:23:14 $20 billion on that
0:23:15 and it supplies
0:23:17 25% of their
0:23:19 electrical generation.
0:23:20 Khamenei spent
0:23:22 a half a trillion dollars
0:23:24 and that program
0:23:25 supplies
0:23:27 maybe 3%
0:23:28 of their
0:23:29 electrical needs.
0:23:29 In fact,
0:23:30 they have a reactor
0:23:31 that they bought
0:23:32 from the Russians
0:23:33 called Boucher
0:23:34 and that reactor,
0:23:35 it’s exactly
0:23:36 what you’d want
0:23:37 in a proliferation
0:23:38 proof reactor.
0:23:39 They buy fuel rods
0:23:39 from the Russians,
0:23:40 they use it,
0:23:41 and they send
0:23:41 the spent fuel
0:23:42 back to Russia
0:23:43 so it cannot be
0:23:44 reprocessed into plutonium.
0:23:45 So I just think
0:23:46 it’s important
0:23:47 for your listeners
0:23:47 to understand
0:23:48 just some of the
0:23:50 technical nuclear
0:23:51 history here
0:23:52 in order to unpack
0:23:53 this question of
0:23:54 did Khamenei
0:23:56 want nuclear weapons?
0:23:58 What was his goal here?
0:23:59 And then we can talk
0:24:00 about was this
0:24:01 the right operation
0:24:03 in order for the
0:24:03 United States
0:24:05 to order the
0:24:06 B-2 bombers
0:24:07 to strike
0:24:08 these facilities
0:24:09 in what, again,
0:24:09 was a limited
0:24:10 operation as
0:24:11 President Trump
0:24:11 has said
0:24:12 in order to
0:24:13 drive the Iranians
0:24:14 back to the
0:24:15 negotiating table
0:24:16 and finally do
0:24:16 the deal that
0:24:17 President Trump
0:24:18 has asked them
0:24:18 to do since
0:24:19 he came into
0:24:20 office in January.
0:24:21 Yeah, that is
0:24:21 one of the
0:24:22 fascinating questions
0:24:22 whether this
0:24:23 Operation Midnight
0:24:24 Hammer
0:24:24 increased or
0:24:25 decreased the
0:24:26 chance that
0:24:27 Iran will develop
0:24:29 a nuclear weapon.
0:24:29 Before you ask
0:24:30 any more questions,
0:24:31 I have to refute
0:24:31 virtually everything
0:24:32 he just said,
0:24:33 which is completely
0:24:33 false.
0:24:34 I mean, really
0:24:34 everything?
0:24:35 There was not one
0:24:35 thing I said
0:24:36 that was true?
0:24:37 Just one thing.
0:24:37 I mean, Iran
0:24:38 is a nation
0:24:39 over there
0:24:39 somewhere.
0:24:40 You got that
0:24:40 part right.
0:24:41 All right.
0:24:41 22 years of
0:24:42 working on Iran
0:24:42 and I got that
0:24:43 right.
0:24:44 But do you know
0:24:44 the population
0:24:45 of Iran?
0:24:45 92 million.
0:24:46 Okay.
0:24:49 So, first of all,
0:24:50 they were trying
0:24:50 to buy a
0:24:51 light water reactor
0:24:52 from the Europeans
0:24:53 or the Chinese
0:24:54 in the 1990s
0:24:54 and Bill Clinton
0:24:55 wouldn’t let them
0:24:58 and put tremendous
0:24:58 pressure on China
0:24:59 to prevent them
0:25:00 from selling them
0:25:01 a light water reactor,
0:25:02 a turnkey reactor
0:25:03 that produces
0:25:04 waste that’s
0:25:05 so polluted
0:25:05 with impurities
0:25:06 that you can’t
0:25:07 make nuclear
0:25:07 weapons fuel
0:25:08 out of it.
0:25:08 By the way,
0:25:09 they never have
0:25:10 to this day
0:25:11 had a reprocessing
0:25:12 facility for
0:25:13 reprocessing
0:25:14 plutonium,
0:25:15 even their current
0:25:15 plutonium waste
0:25:17 from their heavy
0:25:17 water reactor
0:25:18 at Boucher
0:25:19 to make weapons
0:25:19 fuel out of that.
0:25:20 They have no
0:25:21 plutonium root
0:25:21 to the bomb.
0:25:22 Under the JCPOA…
0:25:22 But they have that
0:25:23 at Iraq,
0:25:23 not Boucher.
0:25:24 There’s a difference
0:25:25 between Iraq.
0:25:26 Iraq is a…
0:25:27 Iraq is where
0:25:27 they pour concrete
0:25:28 into the reactor
0:25:29 and shut it
0:25:29 down.
0:25:30 And the reason
0:25:31 they pour concrete…
0:25:32 Under the JCPOA…
0:25:33 Not they,
0:25:33 but the Obama
0:25:34 administration is right,
0:25:36 under the JCPOA,
0:25:37 poured concrete
0:25:38 into the Calendria
0:25:40 in order to prevent
0:25:40 them from using
0:25:41 that reactor
0:25:42 to reprocess
0:25:42 plutonium.
0:25:43 So there’s a
0:25:44 distinction between
0:25:44 Iraq and Boucher.
0:25:46 Scott’s exactly right.
0:25:47 Boucher is a reactor,
0:25:48 a heavy water reactor
0:25:49 provided by the Russians,
0:25:50 as I described,
0:25:52 for the generation
0:25:54 of electricity.
0:25:55 It’s proliferation
0:25:56 proof.
0:25:58 Iraq is the opposite.
0:25:59 It’s a heavy water
0:26:00 reactor that was built
0:26:01 for a plutonium pathway
0:26:03 to nuclear weapons,
0:26:04 which is exactly why
0:26:05 under the JCPOA,
0:26:05 they literally had
0:26:06 to pour concrete
0:26:07 into the middle of it
0:26:08 to prevent it
0:26:09 from reprocessing
0:26:09 plutonium.
0:26:10 I think we’re going
0:26:11 to need a scientist
0:26:13 to come in here
0:26:14 and split the difference
0:26:15 or maybe we need
0:26:17 to go and look up
0:26:18 some IAEA documents
0:26:19 because I don’t believe
0:26:20 that Iraq ever had
0:26:21 a reprocessing facility
0:26:23 for their plutonium waste.
0:26:25 And the deal
0:26:26 under the JCPOA,
0:26:27 the Russians would come
0:26:28 and get all their
0:26:28 plutonium waste,
0:26:29 which the waste
0:26:30 comes out all polluted
0:26:32 and not useful.
0:26:33 You need the reprocessing
0:26:34 facility to get
0:26:36 all of the impurities out.
0:26:37 It could be that
0:26:38 I’m wrong about that,
0:26:39 but I don’t believe
0:26:39 that they ever had
0:26:41 a reprocessing facility
0:26:42 at Iraq
0:26:43 that they could use
0:26:43 to remove
0:26:44 all those impurities
0:26:46 and then have
0:26:47 weapons-grade
0:26:48 plutonium fuel
0:26:50 as the North Koreans do.
0:26:51 So the Obama administration
0:26:52 was very clear
0:26:53 under the JCPOA,
0:26:53 we are going to
0:26:54 pour concrete
0:26:57 into the Iraq facility,
0:26:59 as Scott acknowledged,
0:27:00 because we are concerned
0:27:02 that Iraq can be used
0:27:04 for reprocessing plutonium,
0:27:05 for a plutonium pathway
0:27:06 to a nuclear weapon.
0:27:07 It can be used,
0:27:07 but we don’t know
0:27:08 if it was used.
0:27:09 Oh, wait, no,
0:27:10 it never was.
0:27:10 There never was
0:27:12 any reprocessing
0:27:13 of weapons fuel there.
0:27:14 But there was concrete.
0:27:15 I’m happy to.
0:27:16 There’s no indication.
0:27:16 For your viewers
0:27:17 who are interested
0:27:17 and not to plug
0:27:18 my own podcast,
0:27:19 Lex, I apologize.
0:27:20 It is a very good podcast.
0:27:21 I just recently
0:27:22 had David Albright
0:27:23 on my podcast,
0:27:24 who is actually
0:27:25 a physicist
0:27:27 and a weapons inspector
0:27:28 and goes into
0:27:28 a lot of detail
0:27:29 about the Iranian
0:27:30 nuclear program.
0:27:32 Please listen to the podcast.
0:27:33 Iran Breakdown,
0:27:33 by the way,
0:27:34 is the name of the podcast.
0:27:35 Yeah, and David’s
0:27:35 the president
0:27:36 of the Institute
0:27:36 for Science
0:27:37 and National Security.
0:27:38 By the way,
0:27:39 I spent decades on this.
0:27:40 And to his credit,
0:27:41 he was one of the
0:27:42 deep skeptics
0:27:43 of the Bush administration’s
0:27:44 rush to war with Iraq.
0:27:45 That’s not true.
0:27:47 He vouched for claims
0:27:47 that there were
0:27:49 chemical weapons in Iraq
0:27:49 and later said
0:27:50 he was sorry for it.
0:27:51 Again, I mentioned
0:27:52 the Bush administration’s
0:27:53 rush to war
0:27:54 based on their claims
0:27:55 that Saddam
0:27:56 was building nuclear weapons.
0:27:57 He did debunk
0:27:58 the aluminum tubes, though.
0:28:00 He debunked it
0:28:01 and was a deep skeptic,
0:28:01 again,
0:28:03 of the rush to war
0:28:03 in Iraq.
0:28:04 You know,
0:28:05 the argument today,
0:28:06 Lex,
0:28:06 which I think
0:28:07 is the more interesting argument,
0:28:08 because there are
0:28:09 very few people
0:28:10 left today
0:28:11 who don’t believe
0:28:12 that the Iranians
0:28:13 were building
0:28:14 the nuclear weapons
0:28:15 capability
0:28:16 that gave them
0:28:16 the option
0:28:18 to build nuclear weapons.
0:28:19 I already said that.
0:28:20 We can debate
0:28:21 whether they had
0:28:22 decided to,
0:28:23 and I’m interested
0:28:25 to hear Scott’s opinion
0:28:25 on this,
0:28:26 but the recent intelligence
0:28:27 that has come out
0:28:29 that the Iranian
0:28:30 nuclear weapons scientists
0:28:31 have begun
0:28:32 preliminary work
0:28:34 on building a warhead
0:28:35 came out from where?
0:28:36 This intelligence
0:28:37 that came out,
0:28:38 who put that
0:28:40 into Israeli claims?
0:28:41 not verified
0:28:41 by the U.S.
0:28:42 and the Wall Street
0:28:43 Journal anywhere,
0:28:43 right?
0:28:44 Let’s talk about
0:28:46 all of my list
0:28:47 of refutations
0:28:48 of all your false claims
0:28:49 from 10 years ago.
0:28:50 The Wall Street Journal
0:28:51 did verify this.
0:28:51 There’s a lot of
0:28:52 false claims to refute.
0:28:53 One at a time.
0:28:54 Lawrence Norman
0:28:55 actually wrote a piece.
0:28:56 This was during
0:28:57 the Biden administration
0:28:58 because the Biden
0:29:00 DNI
0:29:01 had actually come out
0:29:02 and for the first time
0:29:03 in their annual
0:29:03 threat assessment
0:29:05 had removed a line
0:29:06 that said,
0:29:08 Iran is not currently
0:29:10 working on developing
0:29:11 any capabilities
0:29:11 that would put it
0:29:12 in a position
0:29:14 to actually deliver
0:29:18 a nuclear warhead.
0:29:20 And what became
0:29:20 the Lawrence Norman
0:29:21 piece in the Wall Street Journal
0:29:23 was that there actually
0:29:24 was initial work done
0:29:25 on metallurgy
0:29:27 and on computer modeling.
0:29:28 And so those actually
0:29:29 were defined terms
0:29:30 in Section T
0:29:32 of the 2015 JCPOA,
0:29:34 which defined weaponization
0:29:35 in that section.
0:29:37 and metallurgy
0:29:37 and computer modeling
0:29:39 were some of the initial steps
0:29:40 so that the DNI
0:29:40 was very concerned
0:29:41 under Biden
0:29:43 that these initial steps
0:29:44 meant that either Khamenei
0:29:45 had given the green lights
0:29:48 or nuclear weapons scientists
0:29:49 in order to get ahead
0:29:49 of the boss
0:29:50 so they could be
0:29:50 in a position
0:29:51 if he decided
0:29:52 to move forward on this
0:29:54 were in a position
0:29:55 and their timelines
0:29:57 were therefore expedited.
0:29:58 So it’s interesting.
0:29:58 I mean, again,
0:29:59 you’ve got the DNI
0:30:00 under Biden.
0:30:01 You’ve got the CIA
0:30:02 director,
0:30:03 John Ratcliffe.
0:30:04 You’ve got Israeli intelligence.
0:30:06 You’ve got the Wall Street Journal
0:30:08 and you’ve got the IAEA
0:30:09 asking questions of Iran
0:30:10 on its past
0:30:11 weaponization activities.
0:30:13 Why are you denying us?
0:30:14 Who’s the dog
0:30:15 that didn’t bark there?
0:30:16 The current director
0:30:17 of national intelligence
0:30:17 who issued
0:30:18 her threat assessment,
0:30:20 Trump’s director
0:30:20 of national intelligence,
0:30:21 Tulsi Gabbard,
0:30:21 who issued
0:30:22 her threat assessment
0:30:23 in February
0:30:24 that repeated
0:30:25 the exact same language
0:30:26 that from the
0:30:26 national intelligence
0:30:28 estimate of 2007
0:30:29 and that the CIA
0:30:30 and the NIE,
0:30:31 the National Intelligence
0:30:32 Council,
0:30:33 have reaffirmed
0:30:35 repeatedly ever since then,
0:30:36 which is that
0:30:36 Supreme Leader
0:30:37 has not decided
0:30:38 to pursue nuclear weapons.
0:30:39 He has not made
0:30:40 the political decision
0:30:41 to pursue nuclear weapons.
0:30:42 She testified,
0:30:44 in fact,
0:30:45 under oath
0:30:46 in front of the Senate
0:30:46 in March.
0:30:47 And then,
0:30:48 according to CNN
0:30:49 and the New York Times,
0:30:50 there was a brand new
0:30:51 assessment
0:30:53 that was put together
0:30:54 the week before
0:30:55 the attack
0:30:57 was launched,
0:30:58 reaffirming the same thing.
0:30:59 And,
0:31:00 at least in history,
0:31:02 if you read it in Haaretz,
0:31:03 Mossad agreed
0:31:04 with the CIA.
0:31:05 I’d like to just sort of
0:31:06 quote CIA director
0:31:07 John Ratcliffe
0:31:08 because Scott brought up
0:31:09 the CIA
0:31:10 and the Intelligence Committee.
0:31:11 I think Ratcliffe
0:31:12 had a good way
0:31:13 of looking at this
0:31:14 and that he said is,
0:31:15 you know,
0:31:15 when you’re in the
0:31:16 99-yard line
0:31:17 as a football team,
0:31:18 you have the intention
0:31:19 to score a goal,
0:31:20 quote-unquote.
0:31:21 And what he was
0:31:23 actually pointing to
0:31:23 is,
0:31:24 let’s not talk
0:31:25 about this debate
0:31:26 about whether Khamenei
0:31:26 had given the order
0:31:27 or not given the order
0:31:29 because Khamenei knows
0:31:29 that if he gives an order,
0:31:31 the U.S. and Israeli
0:31:31 intelligence community
0:31:33 will pick up on that order
0:31:34 and that will be
0:31:35 the trigger for strikes.
0:31:37 What Ratcliffe is saying
0:31:37 is that Khamenei
0:31:38 had built the nuclear
0:31:40 weapons capability.
0:31:42 He’s at the 99-yard line
0:31:44 and both the CIA
0:31:46 and European leaders,
0:31:46 the European
0:31:48 intelligence community
0:31:48 has said for years
0:31:49 that if Iran
0:31:50 has that capability
0:31:51 and they’re on the
0:31:52 99-yard line,
0:31:53 at that point
0:31:53 it’s going to be
0:31:55 too late to stop them
0:31:56 once that decision
0:31:56 is made
0:31:57 to assemble
0:31:58 the final warhead,
0:31:59 which, by the way,
0:32:00 is the final piece
0:32:01 of what you need
0:32:02 for a deliverable
0:32:02 nuclear weapon.
0:32:03 That’s not true
0:32:03 at all, right?
0:32:04 They have to resort
0:32:05 to a crude analogy
0:32:07 about football yard lines
0:32:07 because they can’t
0:32:08 say the truth,
0:32:09 which is that
0:32:10 they had zero
0:32:12 weapons-grade uranium.
0:32:13 They were not
0:32:13 producing it.
0:32:14 They were trying
0:32:16 to get the United States
0:32:17 back in the deal
0:32:18 that they are still
0:32:18 officially within
0:32:20 the JCPOA
0:32:20 with the rest
0:32:21 of the U.N. Security Council
0:32:22 wherein they shipped
0:32:23 all of their
0:32:25 enriched uranium stockpile
0:32:26 out of the country
0:32:26 to France
0:32:27 to be transferred
0:32:28 to fuel rods.
0:32:30 Their insistence
0:32:31 was on their
0:32:32 continued ability
0:32:34 to enrich uranium.
0:32:35 And so this goes
0:32:37 to one of the things
0:32:38 that he at least
0:32:39 sort of brought up
0:32:41 that deserves addressing.
0:32:42 When Trump came
0:32:43 into power
0:32:45 in 2017,
0:32:46 he decided
0:32:47 on this
0:32:49 Israeli-influenced
0:32:50 maximum pressure campaign
0:32:51 and he said
0:32:52 the JCPOA
0:32:53 was the worst deal
0:32:54 in the history
0:32:55 of any time
0:32:55 any two men
0:32:56 ever shook hands
0:32:57 and all these kinds
0:32:57 of things
0:32:59 in his hyperbolic way,
0:32:59 which of course
0:33:00 made it very difficult
0:33:01 for him to figure out
0:33:02 a way to stay in the thing
0:33:04 or to compromise
0:33:05 along its lines.
0:33:07 But the fact of the matter
0:33:08 is if he had just
0:33:09 played it straight
0:33:09 and said,
0:33:11 listen, Ayatollah,
0:33:12 we don’t have to be friends,
0:33:13 but we do have
0:33:14 a deal here
0:33:15 which my predecessor
0:33:16 struck with you
0:33:17 but I don’t like
0:33:18 these sunset provisions
0:33:19 and I want to send
0:33:20 my guys over there
0:33:23 and see if we can
0:33:23 figure out a way
0:33:24 to convince you
0:33:25 that we really wish
0:33:26 you’d shut down
0:33:27 calm altogether
0:33:28 or this or that
0:33:28 or the other thing
0:33:29 and try to approach
0:33:30 them in good faith.
0:33:32 We talk about yard lines
0:33:32 and things.
0:33:34 We had a JCPOA,
0:33:35 okay?
0:33:37 So toward peace
0:33:37 we were past
0:33:38 the 50-yard line.
0:33:40 Donald Trump
0:33:40 could have gone
0:33:41 to Tehran
0:33:42 and shook hands
0:33:43 with the Ayatollah
0:33:44 as Dick Cheney
0:33:45 complained
0:33:46 that we had
0:33:47 cold relations
0:33:47 with Iran
0:33:48 back in 1998
0:33:49 when he was
0:33:50 the head of Halliburton
0:33:50 and said,
0:33:51 we can do business
0:33:52 with these guys.
0:33:53 Donald Trump
0:33:53 could have gone
0:33:54 right over there
0:33:55 and done business
0:33:56 and instead
0:33:57 he gave in
0:33:58 to Netanyahu’s lies
0:34:00 in this ridiculous
0:34:01 hoax
0:34:02 that they had uncovered
0:34:02 all these Iranian
0:34:03 nuclear documents
0:34:04 which he pretends
0:34:05 is legit
0:34:06 where all they did
0:34:07 was recycle
0:34:08 the fake
0:34:10 Israeli forged
0:34:11 smoking laptop
0:34:12 of 2005
0:34:14 which they lied
0:34:15 and pretended
0:34:16 was the laptop
0:34:18 of an Iranian scientist
0:34:19 that was smuggled
0:34:19 out of Iran
0:34:20 by his wife
0:34:22 and had all this proof
0:34:23 of a secret Iranian
0:34:24 nuclear weapons program
0:34:24 on it
0:34:25 but every bit
0:34:26 of that was refuted
0:34:27 including the thing
0:34:28 about the warhead
0:34:28 he said
0:34:29 was refuted
0:34:30 by David Albright
0:34:31 and his friend
0:34:31 David Sanger
0:34:32 in the New York Times
0:34:34 that all those sketches
0:34:36 of the warhead
0:34:36 for the missile
0:34:37 were wrong
0:34:38 because
0:34:39 when Mossad
0:34:41 forged the documents
0:34:42 they were making
0:34:43 a good educated guess
0:34:44 but they didn’t know
0:34:45 that Iran
0:34:45 had completely
0:34:46 redesigned
0:34:47 the nose cone
0:34:48 of their mid-range missiles
0:34:49 and had an entirely
0:34:50 different nose cone
0:34:50 that would require
0:34:51 an entirely different
0:34:52 warhead
0:34:53 than that described
0:34:54 in the documents
0:34:54 and why would they
0:34:55 have been designing
0:34:56 a warhead
0:34:57 to fit in a nose cone
0:34:58 that they were abandoning
0:34:59 and so that was refuted
0:35:00 David Albright
0:35:01 completely discredited
0:35:02 your claims there pal
0:35:03 and then
0:35:05 they later admitted
0:35:06 that it was a CIA laptop
0:35:07 there was no laptop
0:35:09 and they later admitted
0:35:10 Ali Heinonen admitted
0:35:12 who was a very hawkish
0:35:13 one of the
0:35:14 not director
0:35:15 but a high level
0:35:16 executive
0:35:17 at the International
0:35:18 Atomic Energy Agency
0:35:18 admitted
0:35:19 that that intelligence
0:35:21 was brought into the stream
0:35:23 by the Mujahideen E. Kalk
0:35:24 communist terrorist cult
0:35:25 that used to work
0:35:26 for the Ayatollah
0:35:27 during the revolution
0:35:29 then turned on him
0:35:29 and he turned on them
0:35:30 and kicked them out
0:35:31 then they went to work
0:35:32 for Saddam Hussein
0:35:32 where they helped
0:35:33 crush the Shiite
0:35:34 and Kurdish insurrection
0:35:35 of 1991
0:35:37 and then they became
0:35:37 America
0:35:38 Donald Rumsfeld’s
0:35:40 and Ariel Sharon’s
0:35:41 sock puppets
0:35:43 and later Ehud Olmert’s
0:35:43 sock puppets
0:35:44 when the United States
0:35:46 invaded Iraq
0:35:47 and took possession of them
0:35:48 they’re now under
0:35:49 American protection
0:35:50 in Albania
0:35:51 and these are the same
0:35:52 kooks who just a few
0:35:53 weeks ago
0:35:53 you might remember
0:35:54 saying look
0:35:55 new satellite pictures
0:35:56 of a whole new
0:35:57 nuclear facility
0:35:58 in Iran
0:35:59 isn’t it funny
0:36:00 how no one ever
0:36:00 brought that up again
0:36:01 didn’t bomb it
0:36:02 it was nothing
0:36:02 it was fake
0:36:03 just like before
0:36:04 when they said
0:36:04 hey look
0:36:04 here’s a picture
0:36:05 of a vault door
0:36:07 and behind that
0:36:07 is where the
0:36:08 secret nuclear weapons
0:36:08 program is
0:36:09 except turned out
0:36:10 that vault door
0:36:11 was a stock photo
0:36:12 from a vault company
0:36:13 it meant nothing
0:36:14 and they had
0:36:15 repeatedly
0:36:16 you know
0:36:16 made claims
0:36:17 that were totally
0:36:18 refuted
0:36:19 just like
0:36:20 I’m about to refute
0:36:20 his claim
0:36:21 that they ever
0:36:22 were the ones
0:36:23 who revealed
0:36:24 for example
0:36:24 Natanz
0:36:25 he was implying
0:36:26 that Natanz
0:36:26 and Kham
0:36:27 were both
0:36:28 buried and hidden
0:36:30 until revealed
0:36:31 I think you said
0:36:32 by dissident groups
0:36:33 that is the
0:36:33 MEK
0:36:34 sock puppets
0:36:34 of the Israelis
0:36:35 but it was
0:36:36 your friend
0:36:37 David Albright
0:36:38 not the Israeli
0:36:39 Mossad
0:36:40 through the MEK
0:36:41 who revealed
0:36:41 Natanz
0:36:42 facility
0:36:43 ask him
0:36:43 he’ll fist fight
0:36:44 you over it
0:36:45 he claims credit
0:36:46 he was first
0:36:46 and said
0:36:47 this is a facility
0:36:48 however
0:36:49 they were not
0:36:50 in violation
0:36:51 of their safeguards
0:36:51 agreement
0:36:52 with the IAEA
0:36:53 they were still
0:36:54 six months away
0:36:54 from introducing
0:36:55 any nuclear
0:36:56 material
0:36:57 to that facility
0:36:58 and so
0:36:59 when it was
0:37:00 revealed
0:37:00 they weren’t
0:37:00 in violation
0:37:01 of anything
0:37:03 and then
0:37:04 on Kham
0:37:05 we had a huge
0:37:05 fight about this
0:37:06 at the time
0:37:07 the party line
0:37:08 came down
0:37:09 from all the
0:37:09 government officials
0:37:10 and the media
0:37:11 that they had
0:37:12 just exposed
0:37:13 the facility
0:37:13 there
0:37:13 Kham
0:37:14 is Fordow
0:37:14 same thing
0:37:16 when in fact
0:37:16 that wasn’t
0:37:16 true
0:37:18 the Iranians
0:37:19 had announced
0:37:21 to the IAEA
0:37:21 that we have
0:37:22 built a new
0:37:23 facility here
0:37:23 and we
0:37:24 are going
0:37:25 to introduce
0:37:26 nuclear material
0:37:27 into it
0:37:27 within six
0:37:28 months
0:37:28 so here’s
0:37:29 your official
0:37:29 notification
0:37:31 and then a few
0:37:31 days later
0:37:32 they just
0:37:32 pretended to
0:37:33 expose it
0:37:34 when it was
0:37:35 the Iranians
0:37:35 themselves
0:37:35 who had
0:37:36 admitted to
0:37:36 it
0:37:38 in going
0:37:39 along
0:37:39 with their
0:37:41 obligations
0:37:41 under their
0:37:42 safeguards agreement
0:37:43 so it’s just
0:37:44 completely wrong
0:37:44 why do they
0:37:45 bury them
0:37:45 they buried
0:37:45 them for
0:37:46 protection
0:37:47 because clearly
0:37:48 the Israelis
0:37:48 have indicated
0:37:49 since the
0:37:50 1990s
0:37:50 they consider
0:37:51 any nuclear
0:37:52 program in
0:37:52 Iran
0:37:53 to be the
0:37:54 same thing
0:37:54 as an
0:37:54 advanced
0:37:55 nuclear
0:37:55 weapons
0:37:56 program
0:37:56 you’re hearing
0:37:57 that today
0:37:57 for them
0:37:58 to have
0:37:58 a nuclear
0:37:59 facility
0:37:59 at all
0:38:01 is equivalent
0:38:01 to them
0:38:02 going ahead
0:38:02 and breaking
0:38:03 out
0:38:03 and making
0:38:04 a nuclear
0:38:04 weapon
0:38:05 and so
0:38:05 of course
0:38:05 they know
0:38:06 that they
0:38:06 have to
0:38:06 have it
0:38:06 buried
0:38:07 to protect
0:38:07 it from
0:38:07 Israel
0:38:08 that doesn’t
0:38:09 mean
0:38:09 that they
0:38:10 are trying
0:38:10 to get
0:38:11 nukes
0:38:12 it does
0:38:12 mean
0:38:13 as I
0:38:13 already
0:38:13 said
0:38:14 that they
0:38:14 wanted to
0:38:15 prove to
0:38:15 the world
0:38:16 that they
0:38:16 know how
0:38:17 to enrich
0:38:18 uranium
0:38:19 and that
0:38:20 they have
0:38:21 facilities buried
0:38:21 deeply enough
0:38:22 where if we
0:38:22 attack them
0:38:23 that would
0:38:24 incentivize them
0:38:24 to making
0:38:25 nukes
0:38:25 and then we
0:38:26 might be
0:38:26 unable to
0:38:27 stop them
0:38:28 without going
0:38:28 all the way
0:38:29 toward a
0:38:29 regime change
0:38:30 which they’re
0:38:31 bluffing
0:38:32 basically betting
0:38:33 that we won’t
0:38:34 go that far
0:38:35 considering how
0:38:35 gigantic their
0:38:36 country is
0:38:36 and how
0:38:37 mountainous
0:38:37 and populous
0:38:38 it is
0:38:39 compared to
0:38:39 Iraq next
0:38:40 door
0:38:40 now here’s
0:38:41 some more
0:38:41 things that
0:38:42 he said
0:38:42 that weren’t
0:38:42 true
0:38:43 so he said
0:38:44 Iran has
0:38:44 been killing
0:38:45 Americans
0:38:45 all this
0:38:46 time
0:38:47 well that’s
0:38:48 almost always
0:38:48 a reference
0:38:49 to Beirut
0:38:49 1983
0:38:50 which you
0:38:51 can read
0:38:51 in the book
0:38:52 By Way
0:38:52 of Deception
0:38:53 by Victor
0:38:53 Ostrowski
0:38:54 the former
0:38:54 Mossad
0:38:55 officer
0:38:55 that the
0:38:56 Israelis
0:38:56 knew
0:38:57 that they
0:38:58 were building
0:38:58 that truck
0:38:59 bomb to
0:38:59 bomb the
0:39:00 marines
0:39:00 with
0:39:01 and withheld
0:39:01 that information
0:39:02 from the
0:39:03 United States
0:39:03 and said
0:39:03 that’s what
0:39:04 they get
0:39:04 for sticking
0:39:05 their big
0:39:05 noses in
0:39:06 and that
0:39:07 is in the
0:39:07 book By Way
0:39:08 of Deception
0:39:09 by Victor
0:39:09 Ostrowski
0:39:10 and by the
0:39:11 way the
0:39:11 Israelis
0:39:11 were friends
0:39:12 with them
0:39:13 with Iran
0:39:14 at the time
0:39:15 in all
0:39:16 through the
0:39:17 1980s
0:39:17 and it was
0:39:18 just a couple
0:39:18 of years
0:39:19 later when
0:39:19 Ronald Reagan
0:39:20 sold Iran
0:39:20 missiles and
0:39:21 using the
0:39:22 Israelis as
0:39:22 cutouts to
0:39:23 do so when
0:39:24 he switched
0:39:25 sides temporarily
0:39:25 in the
0:39:26 Iran-Iraq
0:39:27 war and so
0:39:28 that’s just
0:39:28 and that was
0:39:29 in 1983
0:39:31 if Ronald Reagan
0:39:31 can sell
0:39:32 missiles a year
0:39:33 or two years
0:39:33 after that
0:39:34 three years
0:39:34 after that
0:39:35 then surely
0:39:36 the United
0:39:36 States and
0:39:37 the Ayatollah
0:39:38 can bury
0:39:38 the hatchet
0:39:39 from that
0:39:39 and no one’s
0:39:40 ever even I
0:39:40 don’t believe
0:39:41 ever really
0:39:41 proven that
0:39:42 Tehran
0:39:43 ordered that
0:39:43 it was
0:39:44 a Shiite
0:39:44 militia
0:39:45 backed by
0:39:45 Iran
0:39:46 that sort
0:39:47 of proto-Hezbollah
0:39:48 that did that
0:39:48 attack that killed
0:39:49 those Marines
0:39:51 and if there’s
0:39:52 some responsibility
0:39:53 for then damn
0:39:54 them like if
0:39:54 there’s direct
0:39:55 responsibility for
0:39:56 that not just
0:39:56 their support
0:39:57 for the group
0:39:57 then damn
0:39:58 them for that
0:39:59 but that’s
0:39:59 still no reason
0:40:00 in the world
0:40:00 to say that
0:40:01 we can’t get
0:40:01 along with
0:40:02 them now
0:40:02 when that was
0:40:03 in the same
0:40:04 year Return
0:40:04 of the Jedi
0:40:04 came out
0:40:05 okay and
0:40:06 then the
0:40:07 other one
0:40:07 and this
0:40:08 is always
0:40:09 referred to
0:40:09 you’ll see
0:40:10 this on TV
0:40:10 news today
0:40:11 anyone watching
0:40:12 this turn on
0:40:12 TV news
0:40:13 and you’ll hear
0:40:13 them say
0:40:14 Iran killed
0:40:16 600 Americans
0:40:16 in Iraq War
0:40:17 II but
0:40:18 that’s a lie
0:40:19 there was a
0:40:20 gigantic propaganda
0:40:21 campaign by
0:40:21 Dick Cheney
0:40:22 and his
0:40:23 co-conspirators
0:40:24 David Petraeus
0:40:25 and Michael
0:40:26 Gordon of the
0:40:26 New York Times
0:40:27 now at the
0:40:27 Wall Street
0:40:28 Journal where
0:40:29 they lied
0:40:30 and lied
0:40:30 like the devil
0:40:32 for about
0:40:33 five six
0:40:33 months in
0:40:34 early 2007
0:40:36 that every
0:40:37 time a Shiite
0:40:38 set off a
0:40:38 roadside
0:40:39 bomb
0:40:39 these new
0:40:40 improved
0:40:40 copper
0:40:41 cord
0:40:42 enhanced
0:40:43 they’re
0:40:44 called
0:40:44 EFPs
0:40:45 explosively
0:40:46 formed
0:40:47 penetrators
0:40:48 now anytime
0:40:48 that happened
0:40:49 Iran did
0:40:49 it
0:40:50 which is
0:40:51 what George
0:40:51 Bush called
0:40:51 shorthanding
0:40:52 it
0:40:52 yeah in
0:40:52 other words
0:40:53 just implying
0:40:53 the lie
0:40:54 what they’re
0:40:54 saying is
0:40:55 Iran
0:40:56 backed
0:40:56 Muqtada
0:40:57 al-Sadr
0:40:58 and America
0:40:59 attacked
0:40:59 Muqtada
0:41:00 al-Sadr
0:41:00 who actually
0:41:00 they were
0:41:01 fighting the
0:41:01 whole war
0:41:01 for him
0:41:02 he remains
0:41:02 a powerful
0:41:03 kingmaker
0:41:03 in that
0:41:03 country
0:41:04 this day
0:41:04 he’s part
0:41:04 of the
0:41:05 United Iraqi
0:41:05 alliance
0:41:06 and in
0:41:07 fact as long
0:41:07 as we’re
0:41:07 taking a
0:41:08 long form
0:41:08 here
0:41:09 he was
0:41:09 the least
0:41:10 Iran tied
0:41:11 of the
0:41:12 three major
0:41:12 factions
0:41:13 in the
0:41:14 United Iraqi
0:41:14 alliance
0:41:14 in Iraq
0:41:15 War II
0:41:16 the other
0:41:16 two major
0:41:16 factions
0:41:17 were
0:41:17 Dawah
0:41:18 and the
0:41:18 Supreme
0:41:19 Islamic
0:41:19 Council
0:41:20 and they
0:41:20 had been
0:41:20 living in
0:41:21 Iran
0:41:21 for the
0:41:22 last 20
0:41:22 years
0:41:23 they’re
0:41:23 they’re
0:41:23 the ones
0:41:23 who came
0:41:24 and took
0:41:24 over
0:41:24 Baghdad
0:41:25 Muqtada
0:41:26 al-Sadr
0:41:26 was a
0:41:27 Shiite
0:41:27 and close
0:41:28 to Iran
0:41:28 but he’s
0:41:28 also an
0:41:29 Iraqi
0:41:29 nationalist
0:41:30 and at
0:41:30 times he
0:41:31 allied
0:41:31 with the
0:41:32 Sunnis
0:41:32 and tried
0:41:33 to limit
0:41:34 American
0:41:35 and Iranian
0:41:36 influence
0:41:36 in the
0:41:37 country
0:41:37 was more
0:41:37 of an
0:41:38 Arab
0:41:38 and an
0:41:38 Iraqi
0:41:39 nationalist
0:41:39 and the
0:41:40 Americans
0:41:40 decided
0:41:41 they hated
0:41:41 him the
0:41:41 most
0:41:42 not because
0:41:42 he was
0:41:42 the most
0:41:43 Iran
0:41:43 tied
0:41:44 but because
0:41:44 he was
0:41:45 willing to
0:41:45 tell us
0:41:46 and them
0:41:46 two
0:41:47 to get
0:41:47 the
0:41:47 hell
0:41:47 out
0:41:48 and
0:41:48 America
0:41:49 was betting
0:41:53 that
0:41:53 they would
0:41:54 eventually
0:41:54 end up
0:41:54 needing
0:41:55 our
0:41:55 money
0:41:55 and
0:41:55 guns
0:41:56 more
0:41:56 than
0:41:56 they
0:41:56 would
0:41:56 need
0:41:57 their
0:41:57 Iranian
0:41:57 friends
0:41:58 and
0:41:58 co-religionists
0:41:59 and sponsors
0:41:59 next door
0:42:00 which of course
0:42:01 did not work out
0:42:01 and America’s
0:42:02 had minimal
0:42:02 influence
0:42:03 in super
0:42:04 majority
0:42:04 Shiite
0:42:04 Iraq
0:42:05 ever since
0:42:05 the end
0:42:06 of Iraq
0:42:06 War II
0:42:07 and we
0:42:07 can get
0:42:07 back
0:42:08 later
0:42:08 in the
0:42:08 show
0:42:08 to
0:42:09 how
0:42:09 Israel
0:42:09 helped
0:42:10 lie
0:42:10 us
0:42:10 into
0:42:10 that
0:42:11 horrific
0:42:11 war
0:42:12 as well
0:42:12 but the
0:42:13 fact of
0:42:13 the matter
0:42:13 is
0:42:14 it was
0:42:14 not
0:42:15 Iranians
0:42:15 setting
0:42:15 off
0:42:15 those
0:42:15 bombs
0:42:16 and
0:42:16 it
0:42:16 was
0:42:16 not
0:42:16 even
0:42:17 Iranians
0:42:18 making
0:42:18 those
0:42:18 bombs
0:42:19 and
0:42:19 I
0:42:19 show
0:42:19 in my
0:42:19 book
0:42:20 enough
0:42:20 already
0:42:21 I have
0:42:22 a solid
0:42:22 dozen
0:42:23 sources
0:42:24 enough
0:42:25 already
0:42:26 thank you
0:42:26 I have
0:42:26 a solid
0:42:27 dozen
0:42:27 sources
0:42:28 including
0:42:29 Michael
0:42:29 Gordon’s
0:42:30 own
0:42:30 colleague
0:42:31 Alyssa
0:42:31 Rubin
0:42:32 at the
0:42:32 New York
0:42:32 Times
0:42:33 and many
0:42:33 others
0:42:35 where they
0:42:35 found
0:42:36 these
0:42:36 bomb
0:42:36 factories
0:42:37 in
0:42:38 Shiite
0:42:38 Iraq
0:42:39 they were
0:42:39 being
0:42:39 made
0:42:40 by Shiite
0:42:40 Arab
0:42:41 Iraqis
0:42:42 and
0:42:42 when
0:42:43 David
0:42:44 Petraeus
0:42:44 was going
0:42:44 to have
0:42:45 a big
0:42:45 press
0:42:45 conference
0:42:46 and they
0:42:46 laid
0:42:46 out
0:42:46 all
0:42:46 the
0:42:47 components
0:42:47 all
0:42:47 the
0:42:48 reporters
0:42:48 gathered
0:42:48 around
0:42:49 and
0:42:49 they
0:42:49 started
0:42:49 noticing
0:42:50 that
0:42:50 the
0:42:50 components
0:42:50 said
0:42:51 made
0:42:51 in
0:42:51 UAE
0:42:52 made
0:42:52 in
0:42:53 Haditha
0:42:53 that is
0:42:54 Iraq
0:42:54 in other
0:42:54 words
0:42:55 there was
0:42:55 no
0:42:55 evidence
0:42:56 whatsoever
0:42:57 that
0:42:57 these
0:42:57 came
0:42:57 from
0:42:58 Iran
0:42:59 and
0:42:59 then
0:42:59 they
0:42:59 called
0:43:00 off
0:43:00 the
0:43:00 press
0:43:00 conference
0:43:00 and
0:43:01 Stephen
0:43:01 Hadley
0:43:02 George
0:43:02 Bush’s
0:43:03 second
0:43:03 national
0:43:04 security
0:43:04 advisor
0:43:05 admitted
0:43:05 that
0:43:05 yeah
0:43:05 we
0:43:06 didn’t
0:43:06 have
0:43:06 the
0:43:06 evidence
0:43:07 that
0:43:07 we
0:43:07 needed
0:43:08 to
0:43:08 present
0:43:08 that
0:43:09 and
0:43:16 deeply
0:43:16 involved
0:43:16 in
0:43:17 Iraq
0:43:17 war
0:43:18 reconfirming
0:43:19 that
0:43:19 that
0:43:19 there
0:43:19 was
0:43:19 never
0:43:20 any
0:43:20 evidence
0:43:20 that
0:43:20 these
0:43:21 bombs
0:43:21 were
0:43:21 coming
0:43:22 across
0:43:23 from
0:43:23 Iran
0:43:24 or
0:43:25 especially
0:43:25 that
0:43:26 then
0:43:26 even
0:43:26 if
0:43:26 they
0:43:27 were
0:43:27 that
0:43:27 that
0:43:27 was
0:43:27 at
0:43:28 the
0:43:28 direction
0:43:29 of
0:43:29 the
0:43:29 Quds
0:43:29 force
0:43:30 or
0:43:30 the
0:43:31 Ayatollah
0:43:31 this
0:43:31 was
0:43:31 all
0:43:32 just
0:43:32 a
0:43:32 propaganda
0:43:33 campaign
0:43:33 because
0:43:33 Dick Cheney
0:43:34 and David
0:43:34 Petraeus
0:43:34 were trying
0:43:35 to give
0:43:35 George Bush
0:43:36 a reason
0:43:37 to hit
0:43:38 IRGC bases
0:43:38 and start
0:43:39 the war
0:43:40 in 2007
0:43:40 and this
0:43:41 sounds crazy
0:43:41 but there’s
0:43:42 like four
0:43:42 major
0:43:42 confirming
0:43:43 sources
0:43:43 for it
0:43:45 Dick Cheney’s
0:43:45 national
0:43:46 security
0:43:46 advisor
0:43:47 David
0:43:47 Wormser
0:43:48 who was
0:43:48 the author
0:43:49 of the
0:43:49 clean
0:43:49 break
0:43:50 strategy
0:43:50 which
0:43:50 we’re
0:43:50 going
0:43:50 to
0:43:51 talk
0:43:51 about
0:43:51 today
0:43:52 David
0:43:53 Wormser
0:43:53 in 2007
0:43:54 was saying
0:43:55 we want
0:43:55 to work
0:43:55 with the
0:43:56 Israelis
0:43:56 to start
0:43:57 the war
0:43:57 with Iran
0:43:58 to force
0:43:58 George Bush
0:43:59 to do
0:43:59 an end
0:43:59 run
0:44:00 around
0:44:00 George
0:44:00 Bush
0:44:00 and force
0:44:01 him
0:44:01 into
0:44:01 the war
0:44:02 and that
0:44:02 was reported
0:44:02 originally
0:44:03 by Stephen
0:44:03 Clemens
0:44:04 in the
0:44:04 Washington
0:44:05 Note
0:44:05 but it
0:44:05 was later
0:44:06 confirmed
0:44:07 in the
0:44:07 New York
0:44:07 Times
0:44:08 and by
0:44:09 the
0:44:09 Washington
0:44:10 Post
0:44:10 reporter
0:44:10 Barton
0:44:11 Gelman
0:44:12 in his
0:44:12 book
0:44:12 Angler
0:44:13 on Dick
0:44:13 Cheney
0:44:14 that there
0:44:14 was this
0:44:15 huge
0:44:16 this was
0:44:16 the end
0:44:16 that they
0:44:17 were going
0:44:17 for
0:44:18 was they
0:44:18 were trying
0:44:19 so hard
0:44:19 to force
0:44:20 a war
0:44:21 in 2007
0:44:21 and it
0:44:22 was the
0:44:22 commander
0:44:23 of CENTCOM
0:44:24 Admiral Fallon
0:44:24 who said
0:44:25 over my
0:44:25 dead body
0:44:26 we are
0:44:26 not doing
0:44:27 this
0:44:27 and then
0:44:28 a few
0:44:28 months later
0:44:29 the
0:44:29 National
0:44:30 Intelligence
0:44:30 Council
0:44:30 put out
0:44:31 their NIE
0:44:32 saying that
0:44:32 there is
0:44:32 no nuclear
0:44:33 weapons
0:44:33 program
0:44:34 at all
0:44:34 and W.
0:44:35 Bush
0:44:35 complained
0:44:35 in his
0:44:36 memoir
0:44:36 Lex
0:44:37 that
0:44:38 in his
0:44:38 story
0:44:39 it’s
0:44:39 the
0:44:39 Saudi
0:44:39 king
0:44:40 his
0:44:40 royal
0:44:41 highness
0:44:41 Abdullah
0:44:41 rather
0:44:42 than
0:44:43 Ehud
0:44:43 Olmert
0:44:44 but he’s
0:44:44 saying
0:44:45 I’m sorry
0:44:45 your
0:44:46 highness
0:44:47 majesty
0:44:48 I can’t
0:44:49 attack
0:44:49 Iran’s
0:44:50 nuclear
0:44:50 program
0:44:50 because
0:44:50 my
0:44:51 own
0:44:51 intelligence
0:44:52 agency
0:44:52 says
0:44:53 they
0:44:53 don’t
0:44:53 have
0:44:53 a
0:44:53 military
0:44:54 program
0:44:55 so
0:44:55 how
0:44:55 am I
0:44:55 supposed
0:44:55 to
0:44:56 start
0:44:56 a war
0:44:56 with
0:44:56 them
0:44:56 when
0:44:57 my
0:44:57 own
0:44:57 intelligence
0:44:58 agency
0:44:58 say
0:44:58 that
0:44:59 this
0:44:59 is
0:44:59 what
0:44:59 Donald
0:44:59 Trump
0:44:59 just
0:45:00 did
0:45:00 started
0:45:00 anyway
0:45:01 had
0:45:01 his
0:45:01 man
0:45:02 Rubio
0:45:02 say
0:45:02 well
0:45:02 screw
0:45:02 the
0:45:03 intelligence
0:45:03 I
0:45:03 don’t
0:45:03 care
0:45:03 what
0:45:03 it
0:45:03 says
0:45:04 we
0:45:04 can
0:45:04 just
0:45:04 do
0:45:04 this
0:45:04 if
0:45:04 we
0:45:05 want
0:45:05 to
0:45:05 so
0:45:06 first
0:45:06 let me
0:45:06 say
0:45:07 on the
0:45:07 cover
0:45:07 of
0:45:07 enough
0:45:07 already
0:45:08 devastating
0:45:09 Daniel
0:45:10 Ellsberg
0:45:10 outstanding
0:45:11 Daniel
0:45:11 L.
0:45:11 Davis
0:45:12 essential
0:45:12 Ron
0:45:12 Paul
0:45:13 you are
0:45:14 respected
0:45:14 by a
0:45:14 very large
0:45:15 number
0:45:15 of
0:45:15 people
0:45:15 you have
0:45:16 decades
0:45:16 of
0:45:16 experience
0:45:17 in this
0:45:17 same
0:45:17 thing
0:45:17 with
0:45:18 Mark
0:45:19 extremely
0:45:20 respected
0:45:20 by a
0:45:21 very large
0:45:21 number
0:45:21 of
0:45:21 people
0:45:22 experts
0:45:22 there’s
0:45:23 a lot
0:45:23 of
0:45:23 disagreements
0:45:24 here
0:45:24 and
0:45:24 we’re
0:45:25 going
0:45:25 to
0:45:25 unfortunately
0:45:25 leave
0:45:26 a lot
0:45:26 of
0:45:26 the
0:45:26 disagreements
0:45:27 on
0:45:27 the
0:45:27 table
0:45:27 for
0:45:28 the
0:45:29 aforementioned
0:45:30 nuclear
0:45:30 scientists
0:45:31 to
0:45:32 deconstruct
0:45:32 later
0:45:33 so
0:45:33 let’s
0:45:33 not
0:45:33 like
0:45:34 try
0:45:34 to
0:45:34 every
0:45:34 single
0:45:35 claim
0:45:35 does
0:45:35 not
0:45:35 have
0:45:35 to
0:45:35 be
0:45:36 perfectly
0:45:36 refuted
0:45:36 let’s
0:45:37 just
0:45:37 leave
0:45:37 it
0:45:37 on
0:45:37 the
0:45:38 table
0:45:38 the
0:45:39 statements
0:45:39 as
0:45:39 they
0:45:39 stand
0:45:40 and
0:45:40 let’s
0:45:40 try
0:45:41 to
0:45:41 also
0:45:42 find
0:45:43 things
0:45:43 we
0:45:43 kind
0:45:43 of
0:45:43 agree
0:45:44 on
0:45:44 and
0:45:45 try
0:45:45 I know
0:45:46 this
0:45:46 might
0:45:46 be
0:45:46 difficult
0:45:46 but
0:45:46 to
0:45:47 steal
0:45:47 man
0:45:47 the
0:45:47 other
0:45:48 side
0:45:48 that’s
0:45:48 the
0:45:48 thing
0:45:48 I
0:45:48 would
0:45:49 love
0:45:49 to
0:45:49 ask
0:45:49 you
0:45:51 maybe
0:45:52 give
0:45:52 Mark
0:45:52 a chance
0:45:53 to speak
0:45:53 a little
0:45:53 bit
0:45:53 but
0:45:54 to
0:45:55 try
0:45:55 to
0:45:55 for
0:45:55 both
0:45:55 of
0:45:56 you
0:45:56 to
0:45:56 try
0:45:56 to
0:45:56 steal
0:45:56 man
0:45:57 the
0:45:57 other
0:45:57 side
0:45:57 so
0:45:58 people
0:45:58 who
0:45:58 are
0:45:59 concerned
0:45:59 about
0:46:01 Iran
0:46:01 developing
0:46:01 a nuclear
0:46:02 program
0:46:02 can you
0:46:02 steal
0:46:03 man
0:46:03 that
0:46:03 case
0:46:03 and
0:46:03 the
0:46:04 same
0:46:04 I
0:46:05 think
0:46:05 I did
0:46:05 in my
0:46:05 opening
0:46:06 statement
0:46:06 quite
0:46:06 frankly
0:46:06 I
0:46:07 don’t
0:46:07 carry
0:46:08 any
0:46:08 brief
0:46:08 for
0:46:09 the
0:46:09 Ayatollah
0:46:10 I’m
0:46:10 a
0:46:10 Texan
0:46:11 I don’t
0:46:11 give a
0:46:11 damn
0:46:11 about
0:46:12 what
0:46:12 some
0:46:12 Shiite
0:46:13 theocrat
0:46:13 says
0:46:13 about
0:46:14 nothing
0:46:14 right
0:46:14 my
0:46:15 interest
0:46:15 is
0:46:15 the
0:46:16 people
0:46:16 of
0:46:16 this
0:46:16 country
0:46:17 and
0:46:17 its
0:46:18 future
0:46:18 and
0:46:19 what’s
0:46:19 true
0:46:20 and
0:46:20 so
0:46:20 I
0:46:20 don’t
0:46:21 mind
0:46:21 telling
0:46:21 you
0:46:22 even
0:46:22 though
0:46:22 the
0:46:23 Iranians
0:46:23 never
0:46:23 said
0:46:23 we’re
0:46:24 building
0:46:24 a
0:46:24 latent
0:46:25 nuclear
0:46:25 weapons
0:46:26 capability
0:46:26 that’s
0:46:26 clearly
0:46:27 what
0:46:27 they’re
0:46:27 doing
0:46:28 is
0:46:28 showing
0:46:29 that
0:46:29 they
0:46:29 can
0:46:30 make
0:46:30 a
0:46:30 nuke
0:46:30 so
0:46:31 don’t
0:46:31 make
0:46:31 me
0:46:32 make
0:46:32 a
0:46:32 nuke
0:46:32 that
0:46:33 has
0:46:33 been
0:46:33 their
0:46:33 position
0:46:34 their
0:46:34 position
0:46:34 has
0:46:34 not
0:46:34 been
0:46:35 I’m
0:46:35 making
0:46:35 a
0:46:35 nuke
0:46:36 so
0:46:36 I
0:46:36 can
0:46:36 wipe
0:46:37 Israel
0:46:37 off
0:46:37 the
0:46:37 map
0:46:38 their
0:46:38 position
0:46:38 has
0:46:39 been
0:46:39 look
0:46:39 if
0:46:39 you
0:46:40 guys
0:46:40 don’t
0:46:40 attack
0:46:41 us
0:46:41 we
0:46:41 could
0:46:41 just
0:46:42 keep
0:46:42 this
0:46:42 civilian
0:46:43 program
0:46:43 the
0:46:44 way
0:46:44 it
0:46:44 is
0:46:44 and
0:46:45 again
0:46:45 there’s
0:46:46 always
0:46:46 the
0:46:47 implication
0:46:47 that
0:46:47 they’re
0:46:48 just
0:46:48 building
0:46:48 up
0:46:48 this
0:46:49 uranium
0:46:49 stockpile
0:46:49 but
0:46:50 no
0:46:50 they’re
0:46:50 not
0:46:50 that
0:46:50 was
0:46:50 in
0:46:51 reaction
0:46:51 to
0:46:51 one
0:46:52 Donald
0:46:52 Trump
0:46:53 leaving
0:46:53 the
0:46:53 deal
0:46:53 in
0:46:54 2018
0:46:54 to
0:46:55 the
0:46:55 assassination
0:46:56 in
0:46:56 December
0:46:56 2020
0:46:57 of
0:46:57 the
0:46:57 Iranian
0:46:58 nuclear
0:46:59 scientist
0:47:01 and
0:47:01 then
0:47:01 in
0:47:01 April
0:47:02 of
0:47:02 21
0:47:03 the
0:47:04 sabotage
0:47:04 at
0:47:05 Natanz
0:47:05 and
0:47:05 there’s
0:47:05 a
0:47:05 Reuters
0:47:06 story
0:47:06 that
0:47:06 says
0:47:07 right
0:47:07 after
0:47:07 they
0:47:08 sabotage
0:47:08 Natanz
0:47:09 that’s
0:47:09 when
0:47:09 the
0:47:10 Ayatollah
0:47:10 decided
0:47:11 let’s
0:47:11 enrich
0:47:11 up
0:47:11 to
0:47:12 60%
0:47:12 which
0:47:13 why
0:47:13 stop
0:47:14 30%
0:47:15 short
0:47:15 of
0:47:16 90%
0:47:16 235
0:47:17 it’s
0:47:18 because
0:47:18 they’re
0:47:18 not
0:47:19 even
0:47:19 making
0:47:19 a
0:47:19 threat
0:47:20 they’re
0:47:20 built
0:47:21 they’re
0:47:21 making
0:47:21 like
0:47:21 the
0:47:22 most
0:47:22 latent
0:47:23 threat
0:47:23 a
0:47:23 bargaining
0:47:24 chip
0:47:24 to
0:47:25 negotiate
0:47:26 away
0:47:26 they’re
0:47:26 trying
0:47:26 to
0:47:26 put
0:47:27 pressure
0:47:27 on
0:47:27 the
0:47:27 United
0:47:27 States
0:47:27 to
0:47:28 come
0:47:28 back
0:47:28 to
0:47:28 the
0:47:29 table
0:47:29 that’s
0:47:29 not
0:47:30 the
0:47:30 same
0:47:30 as
0:47:30 racing
0:47:30 to
0:47:31 the
0:47:31 bomb
0:47:32 that’s
0:47:32 why
0:47:32 Marco
0:47:32 Rubio
0:47:33 says
0:47:33 never
0:47:33 mind
0:47:34 the
0:47:34 intelligence
0:47:34 because
0:47:35 the
0:47:35 intelligence
0:47:35 says
0:47:36 what
0:47:36 I
0:47:56 got
0:47:56 got
0:47:56 to
0:47:56 get
0:47:57 into
0:47:57 the
0:47:57 details
0:47:57 of
0:47:57 this
0:47:58 stuff
0:47:58 details
0:47:59 100%
0:47:59 but
0:48:00 I
0:48:00 like
0:48:00 the
0:48:01 tension
0:48:01 between
0:48:02 two
0:48:03 people
0:48:03 with
0:48:04 different
0:48:04 perspectives
0:48:05 exploring
0:48:05 those
0:48:05 details
0:48:06 and
0:48:06 the
0:48:07 more
0:48:07 we
0:48:07 can
0:48:07 go
0:48:07 back
0:48:07 and
0:48:08 forth
0:48:08 the
0:48:08 better
0:48:09 and
0:48:09 there’s
0:48:09 a lot
0:48:09 of
0:48:09 disagreement
0:48:10 on the
0:48:10 table
0:48:10 I
0:48:10 personally
0:48:11 enjoy
0:48:11 learning
0:48:12 from
0:48:12 the
0:48:12 disagreement
0:48:12 that
0:48:13 was
0:48:13 a
0:48:13 long
0:48:14 list
0:48:14 of
0:48:14 claims
0:48:14 no
0:48:15 ?
0:48:26 I
0:48:26 like
0:48:27 the
0:48:27 tension
0:48:27 of
0:48:27 the
0:48:27 debate
0:48:28 of
0:48:28 back
0:48:28 and
0:48:28 forth
0:48:28 that’s
0:48:29 all
0:48:29 Mark
0:48:29 do
0:48:29 you
0:48:30 want
0:48:30 to
0:48:31 comment
0:48:31 on
0:48:31 stuff
0:48:32 a
0:48:32 little
0:48:32 bit
0:48:32 here
0:48:32 which
0:48:33 would
0:48:33 pick
0:48:34 whichever
0:48:34 topic
0:48:34 you
0:48:34 want
0:48:34 to
0:48:35 go
0:48:35 with
0:48:35 here
0:48:35 yeah
0:48:35 there’s
0:48:36 a lot
0:48:36 there
0:48:36 so
0:48:37 just
0:48:37 a
0:48:37 couple
0:48:38 things
0:48:38 I
0:48:38 think
0:48:38 that
0:48:38 are
0:48:38 worth
0:48:39 your
0:48:39 viewers
0:48:39 knowing
0:48:40 because
0:48:40 Scott’s
0:48:41 right
0:48:41 I
0:48:41 mean
0:48:41 the
0:48:41 nuclear
0:48:41 physics
0:48:42 is
0:48:42 complicated
0:48:42 and
0:48:43 it’s
0:48:43 also
0:48:44 important
0:48:45 so
0:48:45 the
0:48:45 Iranians
0:48:45 have
0:48:47 assembled
0:48:48 about
0:48:49 15 to
0:48:49 17
0:48:50 bombs
0:48:50 worth
0:48:51 of
0:48:51 60%
0:48:52 enriched
0:48:52 uranium
0:48:52 and
0:48:52 I
0:48:52 think
0:48:53 it’s
0:48:53 always
0:48:53 important
0:48:53 for
0:48:54 your
0:48:54 listeners
0:48:55 to
0:48:55 understand
0:48:55 what
0:48:55 does
0:48:55 this
0:48:56 all
0:48:56 mean
0:48:56 enriched
0:48:57 to
0:48:58 3.67%
0:48:58 to
0:48:59 20%
0:49:00 to
0:49:00 60%
0:49:01 and
0:49:01 then
0:49:01 to
0:49:01 90%
0:49:02 weapons
0:49:02 grade
0:49:02 uranium
0:49:03 what
0:49:03 does
0:49:03 this
0:49:04 process
0:49:04 mean
0:49:06 first
0:49:06 of
0:49:06 obviously
0:49:06 enriched
0:49:07 uranium
0:49:07 is
0:49:07 a
0:49:07 key
0:49:08 capability
0:49:08 to
0:49:09 develop
0:49:09 a
0:49:09 nuclear
0:49:09 weapon
0:49:10 it
0:49:10 can
0:49:10 also
0:49:10 be
0:49:10 used
0:49:11 for
0:49:11 other
0:49:11 purposes
0:49:12 civilian
0:49:13 purposes
0:49:13 and
0:49:14 research
0:49:14 purposes
0:49:15 you
0:49:15 can
0:49:15 use
0:49:15 it
0:49:15 to
0:49:16 power
0:49:16 nuclear
0:49:16 submarine
0:49:17 so
0:49:17 let’s
0:49:17 just
0:49:18 if
0:49:18 you
0:49:18 don’t
0:49:18 mind
0:49:18 if
0:49:19 I
0:49:19 could
0:49:19 just
0:49:19 break
0:49:19 it
0:49:19 down
0:49:20 yeah
0:49:21 just
0:49:21 I
0:49:22 think
0:49:22 it’s
0:49:22 again
0:49:22 important
0:49:22 just
0:49:23 to
0:49:23 understand
0:49:23 the
0:49:23 sort
0:49:24 of
0:49:24 basics
0:49:24 before
0:49:25 we
0:49:25 jump
0:49:25 into
0:49:25 the
0:49:26 allegations
0:49:26 and
0:49:27 claims
0:49:27 and
0:49:27 counter
0:49:28 claims
0:49:28 so
0:49:29 if
0:49:29 you’re
0:49:29 going
0:49:29 to
0:49:29 enrich
0:49:29 to
0:49:31 3.67%
0:49:31 enrich
0:49:32 uranium
0:49:33 that’s
0:49:33 for
0:49:34 civilian
0:49:34 nuclear
0:49:35 power
0:49:35 right
0:49:36 but
0:49:36 when
0:49:36 you
0:49:36 do
0:49:37 that
0:49:37 you
0:49:37 basically
0:49:38 70%
0:49:38 of
0:49:38 what
0:49:38 you
0:49:39 need
0:49:39 to
0:49:39 get
0:49:39 to
0:49:39 weapons
0:49:40 grade
0:49:40 right
0:49:40 so
0:49:41 you’ve
0:49:41 done
0:49:41 all
0:49:41 the
0:49:42 steps
0:49:43 70%
0:49:43 of
0:49:43 the
0:49:43 steps
0:49:43 in
0:49:44 order
0:49:44 to
0:49:44 get
0:49:44 to
0:49:45 weapons
0:49:45 grade
0:49:46 uranium
0:49:47 if
0:49:47 you
0:49:47 enrich
0:49:47 to
0:49:48 20%
0:49:49 you
0:49:49 are
0:49:50 now
0:49:50 at
0:49:51 90%
0:49:52 of
0:49:52 what
0:49:52 you
0:49:52 need
0:49:52 to
0:49:52 get
0:49:53 to
0:49:53 weapons
0:49:53 grade
0:49:53 uranium
0:49:54 now
0:49:54 why
0:49:54 would
0:49:54 you
0:49:54 need
0:49:55 20%
0:49:56 you
0:49:56 may
0:49:56 need
0:49:56 it
0:49:56 for
0:49:57 something
0:49:57 like
0:49:57 a
0:49:58 research
0:49:58 reactor
0:49:59 right
0:49:59 and
0:49:59 so
0:50:01 Iran
0:50:01 has
0:50:01 correct
0:50:02 Iran
0:50:02 has
0:50:03 a
0:50:03 Tehran
0:50:04 research
0:50:04 reactor
0:50:04 for
0:50:05 medical
0:50:05 isotopes
0:50:05 now
0:50:05 you
0:50:06 can
0:50:06 buy
0:50:07 those
0:50:07 isotopes
0:50:08 from
0:50:08 abroad
0:50:09 or
0:50:09 you
0:50:09 can
0:50:10 produce
0:50:10 them
0:50:10 at
0:50:10 home
0:50:11 if
0:50:11 you
0:50:11 going
0:50:11 to
0:50:12 enrich
0:50:16 what
0:50:16 you
0:50:16 need
0:50:16 to
0:50:16 get
0:50:17 to
0:50:17 weapons
0:50:17 grade
0:50:17 uranium
0:50:18 and
0:50:18 then
0:50:19 90%
0:50:20 is
0:50:20 quote
0:50:20 weapons
0:50:21 grade
0:50:21 uranium
0:50:21 by
0:50:21 the way
0:50:21 you
0:50:21 can
0:50:22 use
0:50:22 60%
0:50:23 to
0:50:23 actually
0:50:24 deliver
0:50:24 a
0:50:24 crude
0:50:24 nuclear
0:50:25 device
0:50:26 that
0:50:26 has
0:50:27 been
0:50:27 done
0:50:27 in
0:50:27 the
0:50:27 past
0:50:28 but
0:50:28 you
0:50:28 want
0:50:28 to
0:50:28 get
0:50:28 to
0:50:29 quote
0:50:30 90%
0:50:31 that’s
0:50:32 weapons
0:50:32 grade
0:50:32 uranium
0:50:33 as
0:50:33 Scott’s
0:50:34 defining
0:50:34 it
0:50:34 but
0:50:34 just
0:50:34 again
0:50:34 to
0:50:35 clarify
0:50:36 these
0:50:36 huge
0:50:37 stockpiles
0:50:37 of
0:50:38 60%
0:50:38 that
0:50:38 Iran
0:50:38 has
0:50:39 accumulated
0:50:40 this
0:50:41 16-17
0:50:42 bombs
0:50:42 worth
0:50:42 of
0:50:43 60%
0:50:43 is
0:50:44 99%
0:50:45 of
0:50:45 what
0:50:45 they
0:50:45 need
0:50:45 for
0:50:45 weapons
0:50:46 grade
0:50:46 so
0:50:46 I
0:50:46 just
0:50:46 wanted
0:50:47 to
0:50:47 explain
0:50:47 that
0:50:48 yeah
0:50:48 but
0:50:48 when you
0:50:49 say
0:50:49 you’re
0:50:49 saying
0:50:50 if
0:50:50 you
0:50:50 include
0:50:51 the
0:50:51 mining
0:50:52 the
0:50:52 refining
0:50:52 of
0:50:52 the
0:50:53 ore
0:50:53 into
0:50:53 yellow
0:50:53 cake
0:50:53 the
0:50:54 transformation
0:50:54 of
0:50:55 that
0:50:55 into
0:50:55 uranium
0:50:56 hexafluoride
0:50:56 gas
0:50:57 the
0:50:57 driving
0:50:58 of it
0:50:58 in
0:50:58 a
0:50:58 truck
0:50:58 over
0:50:59 to
0:50:59 the
0:51:00 centrifuge
0:51:00 and
0:51:01 then
0:51:01 spinning
0:51:02 it
0:51:02 this
0:51:03 is
0:51:03 where
0:51:03 we
0:51:03 get
0:51:03 this
0:51:04 90%
0:51:04 number
0:51:05 from
0:51:05 right
0:51:06 in
0:51:07 place
0:51:07 of
0:51:08 90%
0:51:08 enriched
0:51:09 uranium
0:51:09 or
0:51:11 80%
0:51:11 enriched
0:51:11 uranium
0:51:12 it’s
0:51:12 90%
0:51:13 of the
0:51:13 way
0:51:13 on
0:51:14 some
0:51:14 chart
0:51:14 that
0:51:15 includes
0:51:16 picking
0:51:16 up a
0:51:16 shovel
0:51:17 and
0:51:17 beginning
0:51:17 to
0:51:18 mine
0:51:18 right
0:51:19 again
0:51:19 just to
0:51:19 clarify
0:51:20 I
0:51:20 just
0:51:20 think
0:51:20 it’s
0:51:20 important
0:51:20 to
0:51:21 understand
0:51:21 the
0:51:21 definition
0:51:22 of
0:51:22 terms
0:51:23 to
0:51:23 get
0:51:24 once
0:51:24 you
0:51:24 have
0:51:25 60%
0:51:25 enriched
0:51:26 uranium
0:51:26 you’ve
0:51:26 done
0:51:27 99%
0:51:27 of
0:51:27 all
0:51:27 the
0:51:28 steps
0:51:28 including
0:51:28 some
0:51:28 of
0:51:28 the
0:51:29 steps
0:51:29 that
0:51:29 Scott’s
0:51:29 talking
0:51:30 about
0:51:30 you’ve
0:51:30 done
0:51:35 well
0:51:36 as
0:51:36 I’ve
0:51:36 already
0:51:37 established
0:51:37 numerous
0:51:38 times
0:51:38 here
0:51:38 under
0:51:39 the
0:51:39 JCPOA
0:51:40 they
0:51:40 shipped
0:51:40 out
0:51:40 every
0:51:41 bit
0:51:41 of
0:51:41 their
0:51:42 enriched
0:51:42 uranium
0:51:43 stockpile
0:51:43 the
0:51:43 French
0:51:44 turned
0:51:44 it
0:51:44 into
0:51:44 fuel
0:51:45 rods
0:51:45 and
0:51:45 then
0:51:45 shipped
0:51:46 it
0:51:46 back
0:51:46 that’s
0:51:47 the
0:51:47 deal
0:51:47 they’re
0:51:47 trying
0:51:47 to
0:51:47 get
0:51:48 the
0:51:48 U.S.
0:51:48 back
0:51:49 into
0:51:49 and
0:51:50 were
0:51:50 obviously
0:51:51 clearly
0:51:51 willing
0:51:51 to
0:51:51 do
0:51:52 and
0:51:52 again
0:51:52 the
0:51:52 only
0:51:53 reason
0:51:53 they’re
0:51:53 enriching
0:51:53 up
0:51:53 to
0:51:54 60%
0:51:54 was
0:51:54 to
0:51:55 put
0:51:55 the
0:51:55 pressure
0:51:55 on
0:51:55 the
0:51:56 Americans
0:51:56 to
0:51:57 go
0:51:57 ahead
0:51:57 and
0:51:57 get
0:51:57 back
0:51:58 into
0:51:58 the
0:51:58 deal
0:51:59 and
0:51:59 bad
0:51:59 bet
0:52:00 it
0:52:00 gave
0:52:00 them
0:52:00 an
0:52:01 excuse
0:52:01 to
0:52:01 bomb
0:52:01 based
0:52:02 on
0:52:02 the
0:52:02 idea
0:52:02 that
0:52:02 people
0:52:02 are
0:52:02 going
0:52:02 to
0:52:03 listen
0:52:03 to
0:52:03 him
0:52:04 pretend
0:52:04 that
0:52:04 somehow
0:52:04 that’s
0:52:05 99%
0:52:06 of the
0:52:06 way
0:52:06 to
0:52:26 they’re
0:52:26 very
0:52:27 close
0:52:27 to
0:52:28 weapons
0:52:28 grade
0:52:29 it’s
0:52:30 1%
0:52:30 more
0:52:30 that
0:52:30 they
0:52:30 need
0:52:30 to
0:52:31 do
0:52:31 to
0:52:31 enrich
0:52:31 to
0:52:31 weapons
0:52:32 grade
0:52:32 the
0:52:33 second
0:52:33 aspect
0:52:33 of
0:52:33 a
0:52:34 deliverable
0:52:34 nuclear
0:52:34 weapon
0:52:35 is
0:52:35 obviously
0:52:36 the
0:52:36 delivery
0:52:36 vehicle
0:52:37 and
0:52:37 those
0:52:37 are
0:52:37 the
0:52:37 missiles
0:52:38 and
0:52:39 according
0:52:40 to
0:52:40 the
0:52:40 DNI
0:52:40 and
0:52:41 other
0:52:42 incredible
0:52:42 sources
0:52:43 Iran
0:52:43 has
0:52:43 got
0:52:43 the
0:52:44 largest
0:52:45 missile
0:52:45 inventory
0:52:46 in
0:52:46 the
0:52:46 Middle
0:52:46 East
0:52:48 3,000
0:52:48 missiles
0:52:49 before
0:52:49 the
0:52:49 war
0:52:49 began
0:52:51 and
0:52:51 at
0:52:52 least
0:52:52 the
0:52:52 ballistic
0:52:53 missiles
0:52:54 2,000
0:52:54 capable
0:52:54 of
0:52:55 reaching
0:52:55 Israel
0:52:56 so
0:52:56 there’s
0:52:56 no doubt
0:52:56 that
0:52:57 Iran
0:52:57 has
0:52:57 the
0:52:57 ability
0:52:58 once
0:52:58 they
0:52:58 have
0:52:59 the
0:52:59 weapons
0:52:59 grade
0:53:00 uranium
0:53:00 and
0:53:00 the
0:53:01 warhead
0:53:01 to
0:53:01 fix
0:53:02 that
0:53:02 to
0:53:02 a
0:53:02 missile
0:53:02 and
0:53:03 deliver
0:53:03 that
0:53:04 certainly
0:53:04 to
0:53:04 hit
0:53:05 Israel
0:53:05 hit
0:53:05 our
0:53:06 Gulf
0:53:06 neighbors
0:53:07 hit
0:53:07 southern
0:53:07 Europe
0:53:08 they
0:53:08 also
0:53:09 have
0:53:09 a
0:53:10 active
0:53:10 intercontinental
0:53:11 ballistic
0:53:11 missile
0:53:12 program
0:53:12 an
0:53:13 ICBM
0:53:13 program
0:53:14 which
0:53:15 ultimately
0:53:15 is
0:53:16 designed
0:53:16 not
0:53:16 to
0:53:16 hit
0:53:16 the
0:53:17 Israelis
0:53:17 or
0:53:17 the
0:53:18 Gulf
0:53:18 but
0:53:19 to
0:53:19 hit
0:53:20 deeper
0:53:20 into
0:53:21 Europe
0:53:21 and
0:53:21 ultimately
0:53:22 to
0:53:22 target
0:53:22 the
0:53:22 United
0:53:23 States
0:53:23 so
0:53:24 let’s
0:53:24 just
0:53:24 understand
0:53:24 the
0:53:25 missile
0:53:25 program
0:53:25 I think
0:53:26 it’s
0:53:26 an
0:53:26 important
0:53:26 part
0:53:26 of it
0:53:27 the
0:53:27 third
0:53:27 leg
0:53:28 of the
0:53:28 stool
0:53:28 and
0:53:28 Scott
0:53:29 has
0:53:29 already
0:53:29 alluded
0:53:30 to
0:53:30 this
0:53:30 and
0:53:30 we’ve
0:53:30 had
0:53:30 some
0:53:31 debate
0:53:31 on
0:53:31 this
0:53:31 and
0:53:31 I
0:53:31 think
0:53:31 we
0:53:31 should
0:53:32 talk
0:53:32 about
0:53:32 it
0:53:33 what
0:53:34 you’ve
0:53:34 got
0:53:34 to
0:53:34 develop
0:53:35 a
0:53:35 warhead
0:53:36 or
0:53:37 crude
0:53:37 nuclear
0:53:38 device
0:53:38 and
0:53:39 according
0:53:39 to
0:53:40 estimates
0:53:41 from
0:53:41 both
0:53:41 US
0:53:42 government
0:53:42 sources
0:53:43 and
0:53:44 nuclear
0:53:45 experts
0:53:45 it
0:53:45 would
0:53:46 take
0:53:46 about
0:53:46 four
0:53:46 to
0:53:47 six
0:53:47 months
0:53:47 for
0:53:47 Iran
0:53:47 to
0:53:48 develop
0:53:48 a
0:53:48 crude
0:53:48 nuclear
0:53:49 device
0:53:50 this
0:53:50 is
0:53:50 something
0:53:50 that
0:53:51 you
0:53:51 wouldn’t
0:53:51 use
0:53:51 a
0:53:51 missile
0:53:52 to
0:53:52 deliver
0:53:52 but
0:53:52 you
0:53:52 would
0:53:53 use
0:53:53 a
0:53:53 plane
0:53:53 or
0:53:53 a
0:53:54 ship
0:53:55 and
0:53:55 it
0:53:55 would
0:53:55 take
0:53:56 somewhere
0:53:56 in
0:53:56 the
0:53:56 neighborhood
0:53:57 of
0:53:57 about
0:53:57 a
0:53:57 year
0:53:57 and a
0:54:02 fixed
0:54:02 to
0:54:02 the
0:54:03 missile
0:54:03 so
0:54:03 the
0:54:04 three
0:54:04 legs
0:54:04 of
0:54:04 the
0:54:04 nuclear
0:54:05 stool
0:54:05 right
0:54:05 the
0:54:07 weapons
0:54:07 grade
0:54:07 uranium
0:54:08 the
0:54:09 missiles
0:54:09 to
0:54:10 deliver
0:54:10 it
0:54:11 and
0:54:12 the
0:54:12 and
0:54:13 the
0:54:13 warhead
0:54:13 so
0:54:13 I
0:54:13 just
0:54:14 want
0:54:14 to
0:54:14 sort
0:54:14 of
0:54:14 define
0:54:15 terms
0:54:15 so
0:54:15 that
0:54:15 when
0:54:15 we’re
0:54:16 having
0:54:16 this
0:54:16 big
0:54:16 debate
0:54:17 your
0:54:17 listeners
0:54:18 kind
0:54:18 of
0:54:18 understand
0:54:19 what
0:54:19 we’re
0:54:19 talking
0:54:19 about
0:54:19 if
0:54:19 I
0:54:20 can
0:54:20 jump
0:54:20 in
0:54:20 here
0:54:20 on
0:54:20 this
0:54:21 point
0:54:21 too
0:54:21 and
0:54:21 I’ll
0:54:21 turn
0:54:21 it
0:54:21 back
0:54:21 over
0:54:22 to
0:54:22 you
0:54:22 but
0:54:45 a
0:54:46 I
0:54:46 only
0:54:46 just
0:54:46 found
0:54:47 out
0:54:47 that
0:54:47 he
0:54:47 died
0:54:47 two
0:54:48 years
0:54:48 ago
0:54:49 unfortunately
0:54:49 he used
0:54:49 to
0:54:49 write
0:54:50 for
0:54:50 us
0:54:50 at
0:54:50 anti
0:54:50 war
0:54:51 commons
0:54:51 a
0:54:51 brilliant
0:54:52 nuclear
0:54:52 physicist
0:54:53 and
0:54:53 h-bomb
0:54:54 developer
0:54:55 and he
0:54:55 really
0:54:56 taught me
0:54:56 all about
0:54:56 this
0:54:57 stuff
0:54:57 and
0:54:59 so
0:55:00 I’m
0:55:00 not
0:55:00 correcting
0:55:01 anything
0:55:01 you said
0:55:02 what he
0:55:02 said
0:55:02 essentially
0:55:02 is
0:55:03 right
0:55:03 maybe
0:55:03 add a
0:55:03 little
0:55:04 more
0:55:04 detail
0:55:05 the
0:55:05 easiest
0:55:06 kind
0:55:06 of
0:55:06 nuke
0:55:06 to
0:55:06 make
0:55:06 out
0:55:07 of
0:55:07 uranium
0:55:07 is
0:55:07 a
0:55:07 simple
0:55:08 gun
0:55:08 type
0:55:08 nuke
0:55:09 like
0:55:09 they
0:55:09 dropped
0:55:09 on
0:55:10 Hiroshima
0:55:10 as
0:55:10 little
0:55:11 boy
0:55:11 it’s
0:55:11 essentially
0:55:11 a
0:55:12 shotgun
0:55:13 firing
0:55:14 a
0:55:14 uranium
0:55:15 slug
0:55:15 into
0:55:15 a
0:55:16 uranium
0:55:16 target
0:55:17 and
0:55:17 that’s
0:55:17 enough
0:55:17 they
0:55:17 didn’t
0:55:17 even
0:55:18 test
0:55:18 it
0:55:18 they
0:55:18 knew
0:55:18 it
0:55:19 worked
0:55:19 so
0:55:20 easy
0:55:20 to
0:55:20 do
0:55:20 to
0:55:21 do
0:55:21 the
0:55:21 Hiroshima
0:55:21 bomb
0:55:22 the
0:55:22 Nagasaki
0:55:23 bomb
0:55:23 was
0:55:24 plutonium
0:55:24 implosion
0:55:25 bomb
0:55:25 it’s
0:55:26 virtually
0:55:26 always
0:55:27 plutonium
0:55:27 that’s
0:55:28 used
0:55:28 in
0:55:29 implosion
0:55:29 bombs
0:55:31 and
0:55:33 in
0:55:34 miniaturized
0:55:34 nuclear
0:55:34 warheads
0:55:35 that can
0:55:35 be
0:55:35 married
0:55:36 to
0:55:36 missiles
0:55:37 as opposed
0:55:38 to a
0:55:38 bomb
0:55:38 you can
0:55:38 drop out
0:55:39 of the
0:55:39 belly
0:55:39 of a
0:55:39 plane
0:55:40 so
0:55:41 gun
0:55:41 type
0:55:41 nuke
0:55:42 you
0:55:42 can’t
0:55:42 put
0:55:42 that
0:55:42 on
0:55:43 a
0:55:43 missile
0:55:44 that
0:55:44 is
0:55:44 by far
0:55:44 the
0:55:45 easiest
0:55:45 kind
0:55:45 of
0:55:46 nuclear
0:55:46 weapon
0:55:46 for
0:55:47 Iran
0:55:47 to
0:55:47 make
0:55:47 if
0:55:47 they
0:55:48 broke
0:55:48 out
0:55:48 and
0:55:48 made
0:55:49 one
0:55:49 right
0:55:50 but
0:55:50 it
0:55:50 would
0:55:50 be
0:55:51 useless
0:55:51 to
0:55:51 them
0:55:52 drive
0:55:52 it
0:55:52 to
0:55:53 Israel
0:55:53 in
0:55:53 a
0:55:53 flatbed
0:55:53 truck
0:55:54 they
0:55:55 got
0:55:55 no
0:55:55 way
0:55:55 to
0:55:56 deliver
0:55:56 that
0:55:56 they
0:55:56 could
0:55:58 test
0:55:58 it
0:55:58 in
0:55:58 the
0:55:59 desert
0:55:59 and
0:55:59 beat
0:55:59 their
0:55:59 chest
0:56:00 but
0:56:00 essentially
0:56:00 that’s
0:56:01 all
0:56:01 they
0:56:01 do
0:56:02 like
0:56:02 we
0:56:03 did
0:56:03 as
0:56:03 Scott
0:56:04 said
0:56:04 with
0:56:05 Hiroshima
0:56:06 Nagasaki
0:56:08 very
0:56:08 slim
0:56:08 chance
0:56:09 of
0:56:09 Iranian
0:56:09 heavy
0:56:10 bombers
0:56:10 getting
0:56:10 through
0:56:11 Israeli
0:56:11 airspace
0:56:12 but
0:56:12 anyway
0:56:13 to
0:56:14 make
0:56:14 an
0:56:14 implosion
0:56:15 bomb
0:56:15 they
0:56:16 would
0:56:16 have
0:56:17 to
0:56:17 do
0:56:18 years
0:56:18 worth
0:56:18 of
0:56:18 experiments
0:56:18 unless
0:56:19 the
0:56:19 Chinese
0:56:19 or the
0:56:19 Russians
0:56:20 gave
0:56:20 them
0:56:20 the
0:56:21 software
0:56:21 or
0:56:21 gave
0:56:22 them
0:56:22 the
0:56:22 finished
0:56:22 blueprints
0:56:23 or
0:56:23 something
0:56:23 which
0:56:23 is
0:56:23 no
0:56:24 indication
0:56:24 of
0:56:24 that
0:56:24 whatsoever
0:56:25 the
0:56:25 only
0:56:25 people
0:56:25 gave
0:56:25 them
0:56:26 blueprints
0:56:26 for a
0:56:26 nuclear
0:56:26 bomb
0:56:27 was
0:56:32 blueprints
0:56:32 but
0:56:33 the
0:56:33 Iranians
0:56:34 didn’t
0:56:34 take
0:56:34 the
0:56:34 bait
0:56:34 the
0:56:35 blueprints
0:56:35 were
0:56:35 given
0:56:36 just
0:56:36 to
0:56:36 clarify
0:56:36 it’s
0:56:37 just
0:56:37 interesting
0:56:37 just
0:56:37 in
0:56:38 terms
0:56:38 of
0:56:38 the
0:56:38 history
0:56:38 of
0:56:39 proliferation
0:56:41 so
0:56:42 Iran’s
0:56:42 initial
0:56:43 nuclear
0:56:44 program
0:56:44 which
0:56:44 is
0:56:45 built
0:56:45 on
0:56:46 centrifuges
0:56:46 as
0:56:46 Scott
0:56:46 and
0:56:46 I
0:56:46 have
0:56:47 been
0:56:47 talking
0:56:47 about
0:56:48 that
0:56:48 was
0:56:48 actually
0:56:49 given
0:56:49 to
0:56:49 the
0:56:50 designs
0:56:50 of
0:56:50 that
0:56:50 were
0:56:50 given
0:56:50 to
0:56:51 them
0:56:51 by
0:56:51 Akhu
0:56:51 Khan
0:56:52 who
0:56:52 was
0:56:52 really
0:56:52 the
0:56:53 father
0:56:53 of
0:56:53 the
0:56:54 Pakistani
0:56:54 nuclear
0:56:55 program
0:56:56 and
0:56:56 he
0:56:56 actually
0:56:56 stole
0:56:57 those
0:56:57 designs
0:56:58 from
0:56:58 the
0:56:58 Dutch
0:56:59 and
0:56:59 handed
0:56:59 it
0:57:00 to
0:57:00 the
0:57:01 Iranians
0:57:01 he
0:57:01 also
0:57:02 handed
0:57:02 it
0:57:02 to
0:57:02 the
0:57:02 North
0:57:03 Koreans
0:57:03 and
0:57:03 the
0:57:04 Libyans
0:57:04 and
0:57:04 others
0:57:04 so
0:57:05 they
0:57:05 were
0:57:05 able
0:57:06 to
0:57:07 illicitly
0:57:07 acquire
0:57:08 this
0:57:08 technology
0:57:09 or at least
0:57:09 the
0:57:09 blueprints
0:57:10 for this
0:57:10 technology
0:57:10 from
0:57:10 the
0:57:11 father
0:57:11 of
0:57:11 the
0:57:11 Pakistani
0:57:12 bomb
0:57:12 so
0:57:12 I
0:57:13 think
0:57:13 that’s
0:57:13 an
0:57:13 interesting
0:57:14 point
0:57:14 but
0:57:14 if
0:57:14 you
0:57:15 don’t
0:57:15 mind
0:57:15 as
0:57:15 I
0:57:16 said
0:57:16 earlier
0:57:16 because
0:57:16 Bill
0:57:17 Clinton
0:57:18 clamped
0:57:18 down
0:57:18 on
0:57:18 the
0:57:18 Chinese
0:57:19 and
0:57:19 wouldn’t
0:57:19 let
0:57:19 them
0:57:19 sell
0:57:21 light
0:57:22 water
0:57:22 reactors
0:57:23 so
0:57:23 then
0:57:23 they
0:57:23 went
0:57:23 to
0:57:24 AQ
0:57:24 Con
0:57:24 and
0:57:24 bought
0:57:24 the
0:57:25 stuff
0:57:25 on
0:57:25 the
0:57:25 black
0:57:25 market
0:57:26 and
0:57:26 they
0:57:26 bought
0:57:27 heavy
0:57:27 water
0:57:27 reactors
0:57:27 from
0:57:28 the
0:57:28 Russians
0:57:28 which
0:57:28 they’ve
0:57:28 been
0:57:29 using
0:57:29 for
0:57:30 electricity
0:57:31 I
0:57:31 want
0:57:32 to
0:57:32 get
0:57:32 to
0:57:32 the
0:57:33 second
0:57:33 thing
0:57:33 I
0:57:33 think
0:57:33 it’s
0:57:34 important
0:57:34 for
0:57:34 listeners
0:57:35 to
0:57:35 know
0:57:35 and
0:57:35 then
0:57:35 I
0:57:37 was
0:57:37 in
0:57:37 the
0:57:37 middle
0:57:37 of
0:57:37 saying
0:57:38 though
0:57:38 when
0:57:38 you’re
0:57:38 trying
0:57:38 to
0:57:39 make
0:57:39 a
0:57:39 uranium
0:57:40 implosion
0:57:40 bomb
0:57:40 or
0:57:41 a
0:57:41 plutonium
0:57:41 implosion
0:57:42 bomb
0:57:42 it’s
0:57:42 a
0:57:43 much
0:57:43 more
0:57:43 difficult
0:57:44 task
0:57:44 than
0:57:44 putting
0:57:45 together
0:57:45 a
0:57:45 gun
0:57:45 type
0:57:46 nuke
0:57:46 takes
0:57:46 an
0:57:47 extraordinary
0:57:47 amount
0:57:47 of
0:57:47 testing
0:57:48 and
0:57:48 that’s
0:57:48 why
0:57:48 he
0:57:49 repeated
0:57:49 probably
0:57:50 unknowingly
0:57:51 some
0:57:51 false
0:57:52 propaganda
0:57:52 about
0:57:53 Iran
0:57:53 having
0:57:54 this
0:57:54 advanced
0:57:55 testing
0:57:55 facility
0:57:55 I
0:57:56 think
0:57:56 he
0:57:56 was
0:57:56 implying
0:57:57 correct me
0:57:57 if I’m
0:57:57 wrong
0:57:57 he
0:57:58 was
0:57:58 I’m
0:57:58 pretty
0:57:58 sure
0:57:58 you’re
0:57:59 implying
0:57:59 at
0:57:59 Parchin
0:58:00 that
0:58:00 they
0:58:00 were
0:58:00 testing
0:58:00 these
0:58:01 implosion
0:58:01 systems
0:58:02 but
0:58:02 that’s
0:58:02 completely
0:58:03 debunked
0:58:03 it’s
0:58:03 completely
0:58:04 false
0:58:04 but
0:58:04 they
0:58:04 were
0:58:04 testing
0:58:05 what
0:58:05 they’re
0:58:05 doing
0:58:05 at
0:58:06 Parchin
0:58:06 with
0:58:06 that
0:58:06 implosion
0:58:07 chamber
0:58:08 was
0:58:08 making
0:58:09 nanodiamonds
0:58:10 and the
0:58:10 scientist
0:58:11 in charge
0:58:11 of it
0:58:11 was
0:58:12 Ukrainian
0:58:12 who
0:58:12 had
0:58:13 studied
0:58:13 in
0:58:13 the
0:58:13 Soviet
0:58:14 Union
0:58:14 at
0:58:15 this
0:58:15 military
0:58:16 university
0:58:16 where
0:58:16 they
0:58:16 said
0:58:16 oh
0:58:17 see
0:58:17 they
0:58:17 study
0:58:17 nuclear
0:58:18 stuff
0:58:18 there
0:58:18 but
0:58:18 that
0:58:19 wasn’t
0:58:19 his
0:58:19 speciality
0:58:20 his
0:58:20 name
0:58:20 was
0:58:20 Dan
0:58:20 Elenko
0:58:21 and
0:58:21 he
0:58:21 was
0:58:21 a
0:58:22 specialist
0:58:22 in
0:58:22 making
0:58:23 nanodiamonds
0:58:24 and
0:58:24 that
0:58:25 facility
0:58:26 was
0:58:26 vouched
0:58:26 by
0:58:27 Robert
0:58:27 Kelly
0:58:28 in
0:58:28 the
0:58:28 Christian
0:58:29 Science
0:58:29 Monitor
0:58:29 told
0:58:30 Scott
0:58:30 Peterson
0:58:31 of
0:58:31 the
0:58:31 Christian
0:58:31 Science
0:58:32 Monitor
0:58:32 that
0:58:32 that
0:58:33 stuff
0:58:33 was
0:58:33 nonsense
0:58:33 that
0:58:34 that
0:58:34 facility
0:58:35 that
0:58:35 implosion
0:58:36 chamber
0:58:36 could not
0:58:37 be used
0:58:37 for
0:58:38 testing
0:58:39 an
0:58:40 implosion
0:58:40 system
0:58:40 for
0:58:41 nuclear
0:58:41 weapons
0:58:41 and
0:58:41 I
0:58:41 know
0:58:41 from
0:58:42 Dr.
0:58:42 Prather
0:58:42 telling
0:58:43 me
0:58:43 that
0:58:43 when
0:58:44 the
0:58:44 Americans
0:58:45 were
0:58:45 doing
0:58:45 this
0:58:45 and
0:58:46 the
0:58:46 Russians
0:58:46 too
0:58:47 that
0:58:47 they
0:58:47 test
0:58:51 with
0:58:52 lead
0:58:52 instead
0:58:52 of
0:58:53 uranium
0:58:53 in
0:58:53 the
0:58:53 core
0:58:53 and
0:58:54 then
0:58:54 you
0:58:54 take
0:58:54 all
0:58:55 this
0:58:55 high
0:58:55 speed
0:58:55 x-ray
0:58:56 film
0:58:56 of
0:58:56 the
0:58:56 thing
0:58:57 and
0:58:57 it’s
0:58:57 this
0:58:57 huge
0:58:57 and
0:58:58 drawn
0:58:58 out
0:58:58 and
0:58:59 incredibly
0:59:00 complicated
0:59:00 engineering
0:59:01 process
0:59:01 and
0:59:01 this
0:59:01 is
0:59:02 probably
0:59:02 why
0:59:03 the
0:59:03 week
0:59:03 before
0:59:03 the
0:59:04 war
0:59:04 the
0:59:05 CIA
0:59:05 said
0:59:06 not only
0:59:06 do
0:59:06 we
0:59:06 think
0:59:06 they’re
0:59:06 a
0:59:07 year
0:59:07 away
0:59:07 from
0:59:07 having
0:59:08 enough
0:59:08 nuclear
0:59:09 material
0:59:09 to
0:59:09 make
0:59:09 one
0:59:09 bomb
0:59:10 we
0:59:10 think
0:59:10 they’re
0:59:10 three
0:59:11 years
0:59:11 away
0:59:11 from
0:59:12 having
0:59:12 a
0:59:12 finished
0:59:13 warhead
0:59:13 that
0:59:14 must
0:59:14 have
0:59:14 been
0:59:14 assuming
0:59:15 that
0:59:15 they
0:59:15 would
0:59:15 try
0:59:15 to
0:59:15 make
0:59:15 an
0:59:16 implosion
0:59:16 system
0:59:16 that
0:59:17 you
0:59:17 could
0:59:17 put
0:59:17 on
0:59:18 in
0:59:18 other
0:59:18 words
0:59:19 miniaturize
0:59:19 and
0:59:19 put
0:59:20 on
0:59:20 a
0:59:20 missile
0:59:20 as
0:59:21 opposed
0:59:22 in
0:59:22 other
0:59:22 words
0:59:22 skipping
0:59:23 a
0:59:23 gun
0:59:23 type
0:59:23 nuke
0:59:24 that
0:59:24 would
0:59:24 be
0:59:24 useless
0:59:25 to
0:59:25 them
0:59:25 so
0:59:26 it’s
0:59:26 very
0:59:27 important
0:59:27 to
0:59:27 understand
0:59:28 then
0:59:28 that
0:59:29 if
0:59:29 if
0:59:29 they
0:59:30 have
0:59:30 a
0:59:30 uranium
0:59:30 route
0:59:31 to
0:59:31 the
0:59:31 bomb
0:59:31 if
0:59:32 they
0:59:32 withdraw
0:59:32 from
0:59:32 the
0:59:33 treaty
0:59:42 useless
0:59:42 to
0:59:42 them
0:59:43 or
0:59:43 they
0:59:43 can
0:59:44 take
0:59:44 their
0:59:45 ponderous
0:59:46 ass
0:59:46 time
0:59:46 trying
0:59:47 to
0:59:47 figure
0:59:47 out
0:59:48 how
0:59:48 to
0:59:48 make
0:59:48 an
0:59:48 implosion
0:59:49 system
0:59:49 work
0:59:50 first
0:59:50 of
0:59:50 I’m
0:59:50 glad
0:59:50 Scott
0:59:51 knows
0:59:51 about
0:59:51 what’s
0:59:51 going
0:59:52 on
0:59:52 at
0:59:52 Parchin
0:59:52 because
0:59:52 the
0:59:53 IAEA
0:59:53 doesn’t
0:59:53 and
0:59:54 they’ve
0:59:54 been
0:59:54 asking
0:59:54 the
0:59:55 Iranians
0:59:55 that’s
0:59:55 not
0:59:56 true
0:59:56 the
0:59:56 Iranians
0:59:56 told
0:59:57 the
0:59:57 IAEA
0:59:58 you can
0:59:58 inspect
0:59:58 any
0:59:59 five
0:59:59 out
0:59:59 of
0:59:59 ten
1:00:00 facilities
1:00:00 here
1:00:01 carte
1:00:01 blanche
1:00:02 go ahead
1:00:02 and they
1:00:02 did
1:00:13 so
1:00:13 I
1:00:14 want
1:00:14 to
1:00:14 just
1:00:14 again
1:00:15 just
1:00:15 put
1:00:15 it
1:00:15 out
1:00:15 there
1:00:15 for
1:00:16 your
1:00:16 listeners
1:00:16 they
1:00:16 should
1:00:17 just
1:00:17 google
1:00:18 Ahmad
1:00:19 program
1:00:20 and
1:00:20 they
1:00:20 should
1:00:21 learn
1:00:21 about
1:00:21 the
1:00:21 Ahmad
1:00:22 program
1:00:22 because
1:00:22 it’s
1:00:23 detailed
1:00:24 in
1:00:25 US
1:00:25 government
1:00:26 documents
1:00:27 experts
1:00:27 in
1:00:28 Iran’s
1:00:28 nuclear
1:00:28 program
1:00:29 including
1:00:29 David
1:00:29 Albright
1:00:29 who
1:00:30 actually
1:00:30 saw
1:00:31 the
1:00:31 archive
1:00:31 went
1:00:31 in
1:00:31 there
1:00:32 wrote
1:00:32 a
1:00:32 whole
1:00:32 book
1:00:32 on
1:00:32 it
1:00:33 and
1:00:33 there’s
1:00:33 a
1:00:33 lot
1:00:34 of
1:00:34 detail
1:00:34 about
1:00:34 how
1:00:35 Iran
1:00:35 had
1:00:35 an
1:00:36 active
1:00:36 nuclear
1:00:37 weapons
1:00:37 program
1:00:42 POA
1:00:42 because
1:00:43 I
1:00:43 actually
1:00:43 think
1:00:43 it’s
1:00:43 an
1:00:44 interesting
1:00:44 discussion
1:00:45 for
1:00:45 Scott
1:00:45 and
1:00:45 I
1:00:46 to
1:00:46 have
1:00:47 because
1:00:47 I
1:00:47 think
1:00:47 there’s
1:00:47 things
1:00:48 that
1:00:48 we
1:00:48 agree
1:00:48 on
1:00:48 there
1:00:49 and
1:00:49 things
1:00:49 that
1:00:49 we
1:00:49 disagree
1:00:50 on
1:00:50 right
1:00:50 so
1:00:50 this
1:00:50 is
1:00:51 a
1:00:51 2015
1:00:52 nuclear
1:00:52 deal
1:00:52 that
1:00:53 Obama
1:00:53 reaches
1:00:54 it’s
1:00:55 negotiated
1:00:55 painstakingly
1:00:56 over
1:00:56 two
1:00:56 years
1:00:56 between
1:00:57 2013
1:00:57 and
1:00:58 2015
1:00:59 and
1:00:59 it
1:00:59 follows
1:00:59 the
1:00:59 interim
1:01:00 agreement
1:01:01 that
1:01:01 the
1:01:01 United
1:01:01 States
1:01:02 negotiated
1:01:02 with
1:01:02 Iran
1:01:03 and
1:01:03 it’s
1:01:04 in
1:01:04 that
1:01:04 interim
1:01:05 agreement
1:01:05 in
1:01:05 2013
1:01:06 where
1:01:06 the
1:01:06 United
1:01:06 States
1:01:06 for the
1:01:07 first
1:01:07 time
1:01:08 actually
1:01:09 gives
1:01:09 Iran
1:01:09 the
1:01:10 right
1:01:10 to
1:01:11 enrich
1:01:11 uranium
1:01:11 there
1:01:12 were
1:01:12 five
1:01:12 UN
1:01:13 Security
1:01:13 Council
1:01:13 resolutions
1:01:14 passed
1:01:14 with
1:01:14 the
1:01:14 support
1:01:14 of
1:01:15 Russia
1:01:15 and
1:01:15 China
1:01:16 that
1:01:16 said
1:01:16 Iran
1:01:16 should
1:01:16 have
1:01:17 no
1:01:17 enrichment
1:01:18 capability
1:01:18 and
1:01:18 no
1:01:19 plutonium
1:01:20 reprocessing
1:01:20 capability
1:01:20 because
1:01:21 of the
1:01:21 fears
1:01:22 that
1:01:22 Iran
1:01:22 would
1:01:22 turn
1:01:22 that
1:01:23 into
1:01:23 a
1:01:23 nuclear
1:01:24 weapons
1:01:24 program
1:01:24 but
1:01:25 in
1:01:25 2013
1:01:25 they
1:01:25 give
1:01:26 that
1:01:26 up
1:01:27 2015
1:01:27 we
1:01:27 reach
1:01:28 the
1:01:28 JCPOA
1:01:29 and
1:01:29 under
1:01:29 the
1:01:30 JCPOA
1:01:30 Iran
1:01:30 is
1:01:31 allowed
1:01:31 to
1:01:31 retain
1:01:32 enrichment
1:01:32 capability
1:01:33 and
1:01:34 reprocessing
1:01:34 capability
1:01:35 but
1:01:35 over
1:01:36 time
1:01:36 so
1:01:36 Scott
1:01:36 mentioned
1:01:37 these
1:01:37 sunsets
1:01:37 and
1:01:38 just
1:01:38 want
1:01:38 your
1:01:38 listeners
1:01:39 to
1:01:39 understand
1:01:39 what
1:01:39 the
1:01:40 sunsets
1:01:40 are
1:01:41 essentially
1:01:41 the
1:01:41 restrictions
1:01:42 that are
1:01:42 placed
1:01:42 on
1:01:43 Iran’s
1:01:43 nuclear
1:01:44 program
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1:14:48 Towers
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1:16:06 Shoyer
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1:16:13 straight up
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1:16:32 less
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1:16:33 all
1:16:34 yeah
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1:16:36 sort
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1:16:36 view
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1:16:36 the
1:16:37 regime
1:16:37 in
1:16:37 Iran
1:16:37 and
1:16:38 I
1:16:38 think
1:16:38 Scott
1:16:38 wisely
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1:16:39 the
1:16:39 beginning
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1:16:40 this
1:16:40 discussion
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1:16:44 Ayatollah
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1:16:45 Texan
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1:16:46 any
1:16:46 love
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1:16:46 Ayatollah
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1:16:48 despite
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1:16:49 fact
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1:16:54 sincere
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1:16:56 every
1:16:56 discussion
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1:16:57 had
1:16:57 on
1:16:57 every
1:16:58 topic
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1:16:58 always
1:16:59 about
1:16:59 everyone’s
1:17:00 lying
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1:17:00 the
1:17:01 Ayatollah
1:17:01 in
1:17:01 Iran
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1:17:02 not
1:17:02 lying
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1:17:02 a
1:17:03 nuclear
1:17:03 weapons
1:17:03 program
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1:17:06 all of
1:17:06 these
1:17:07 terrorist
1:17:07 organizations
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1:17:09 financed
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1:17:10 supported
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1:17:10 kill
1:17:10 Americans
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1:17:12 Ayatollah
1:17:12 in
1:17:12 Iran
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1:17:14 he’s
1:17:14 not
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1:17:16 his
1:17:18 deception
1:17:18 campaign
1:17:19 against
1:17:19 the
1:17:19 United
1:17:20 States
1:17:21 he’s
1:17:21 not
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1:17:22 about
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1:17:24 with
1:17:24 the
1:17:24 Americans
1:17:24 it’s
1:17:25 Americans
1:17:25 fault
1:17:26 all
1:17:26 the
1:17:26 time
1:17:27 so
1:17:27 he
1:17:27 he’s
1:17:27 presented
1:17:28 all
1:17:29 the
1:17:29 time
1:17:29 in
1:17:29 Scott’s
1:17:30 conception
1:17:30 here
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1:17:31 a
1:17:31 sincere
1:17:32 actor
1:17:32 who
1:17:33 doesn’t
1:17:33 want
1:17:33 to
1:17:33 develop
1:17:33 nuclear
1:17:34 weapons
1:17:35 who
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1:17:38 just
1:17:38 always
1:17:38 a
1:17:39 victim
1:17:39 of
1:17:40 American
1:17:40 and
1:17:40 Israeli
1:17:41 aggression
1:17:41 I
1:17:41 think
1:17:41 it’s
1:17:41 an
1:17:42 interesting
1:17:42 conception
1:17:42 I think
1:17:43 let’s
1:17:43 talk
1:17:43 about
1:17:43 it
1:17:44 and
1:17:44 I
1:17:44 mean
1:17:45 I’m
1:17:45 fascinated
1:17:46 by the
1:17:46 conception
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1:17:48 it’s
1:17:48 very
1:17:48 contrary
1:17:49 to
1:17:49 mine
1:17:50 obviously
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1:17:50 very
1:17:51 contrary
1:17:51 to
1:17:51 I
1:17:51 think
1:17:52 decades
1:17:53 of
1:17:53 overwhelming
1:17:54 evidence
1:17:54 that the
1:17:55 Islamic
1:17:55 Republic
1:17:55 has
1:17:55 been
1:17:56 war
1:17:56 with
1:17:56 the
1:17:56 United
1:17:56 States
1:17:56 since
1:17:57 1979
1:17:58 and
1:17:58 you
1:17:58 know
1:17:59 I
1:17:59 don’t
1:18:00 take
1:18:00 too
1:18:00 much
1:18:00 stock
1:18:01 in
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1:18:01 people
1:18:01 say
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1:18:07 could
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1:18:08 just
1:18:08 propaganda
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1:18:09 when
1:18:09 it’s
1:18:09 actually
1:18:11 operationalized
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1:18:12 start
1:18:12 to
1:18:13 ask
1:18:13 well
1:18:13 maybe
1:18:13 it’s
1:18:13 not
1:18:14 just
1:18:15 propaganda
1:18:15 maybe
1:18:16 it’s
1:18:16 intention
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1:18:18 into
1:18:19 capabilities
1:18:19 you know
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1:18:20 forgetting
1:18:21 here
1:18:21 and again
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1:18:22 this
1:18:22 causal
1:18:23 relationship
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1:18:23 we
1:18:24 aggress
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1:18:25 Iran
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1:18:25 the
1:18:25 Israelis
1:18:26 aggress
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1:18:27 and
1:18:27 Iran
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1:18:28 always
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1:18:29 give
1:18:30 the
1:18:30 Iranians
1:18:30 their
1:18:31 due
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1:18:32 made it
1:18:32 very
1:18:33 clear
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1:18:33 established
1:18:34 the
1:18:34 Islamic
1:18:34 Republic
1:18:35 that
1:18:35 there
1:18:35 will
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1:18:36 a
1:18:36 revolutionary
1:18:37 and
1:18:38 expansionist
1:18:39 regime
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1:18:39 they
1:18:40 will
1:18:40 expand
1:18:40 their
1:18:41 power
1:18:41 through
1:18:41 the
1:18:41 Middle
1:18:42 East
1:18:42 and
1:18:42 so
1:18:42 he
1:18:42 built
1:18:43 and
1:18:43 to
1:18:43 his
1:18:44 credit
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1:18:45 successful
1:18:45 until
1:18:45 October
1:18:46 7th
1:18:46 this
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1:18:47 of
1:18:47 resistance
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1:18:48 calls
1:18:48 it
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1:18:49 are
1:18:49 these
1:18:49 terror
1:18:50 proxy
1:18:50 armies
1:18:51 Hezbollah
1:18:52 Hamas
1:18:52 Palestinian
1:18:52 Islamic
1:18:53 Jihad
1:18:53 the
1:18:54 Iraqi
1:18:54 Shiite
1:18:55 militias
1:18:55 the
1:18:55 Houthis
1:18:56 in
1:18:56 Yemen
1:18:57 and
1:18:58 certainly
1:18:58 supporting
1:18:58 the
1:18:59 Assad
1:18:59 regime
1:18:59 in
1:18:59 Syria
1:19:00 he
1:19:00 built
1:19:00 a
1:19:01 very
1:19:03 impressive
1:19:03 and
1:19:03 deadly
1:19:04 axis
1:19:04 that
1:19:05 he
1:19:05 turned
1:19:05 against
1:19:05 the
1:19:06 United
1:19:06 States
1:19:06 and
1:19:06 against
1:19:07 Israel
1:19:07 which
1:19:08 saw
1:19:08 its
1:19:08 culmination
1:19:08 on
1:19:09 October
1:19:09 7th
1:19:09 I
1:19:09 think
1:19:10 after
1:19:10 October
1:19:11 7th
1:19:11 that
1:19:12 was
1:19:12 a
1:19:12 huge
1:19:13 miscalculation
1:19:13 for
1:19:14 Khamenei
1:19:14 and we
1:19:14 seen
1:19:14 the
1:19:15 results
1:19:15 of
1:19:15 what’s
1:19:15 happened
1:19:15 to
1:19:16 his
1:19:16 axis
1:19:16 of
1:19:17 resistance
1:19:17 through
1:19:18 quite
1:19:18 devastating
1:19:19 Israeli
1:19:20 military
1:19:20 capabilities
1:19:21 over
1:19:21 the
1:19:21 past
1:19:22 number
1:19:22 of
1:19:22 months
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1:19:24 an
1:19:24 ideology
1:19:24 and
1:19:25 I
1:19:25 think
1:19:25 where
1:19:25 I
1:19:26 agree
1:19:26 with
1:19:26 Scott
1:19:27 is
1:19:27 I’m
1:19:28 not
1:19:28 sure
1:19:28 if
1:19:29 Khamenei
1:19:29 would
1:19:29 actually
1:19:29 use
1:19:29 a
1:19:30 nuclear
1:19:30 weapon
1:19:30 against
1:19:31 Israel
1:19:31 the
1:19:31 United
1:19:32 States
1:19:32 because
1:19:32 I
1:19:32 don’t
1:19:32 think
1:19:33 Khamenei
1:19:33 is
1:19:34 suicidal
1:19:35 but
1:19:35 I
1:19:35 think
1:19:35 what
1:19:35 Khamenei
1:19:36 wants
1:19:36 is
1:19:37 a
1:19:37 nuclear
1:19:38 weapon
1:19:39 as
1:19:39 a
1:19:39 backstop
1:19:40 for
1:19:40 his
1:19:40 conventional
1:19:41 power
1:19:42 right
1:19:42 it’s
1:19:42 very
1:19:43 much
1:19:43 the
1:19:44 Kim
1:19:49 what
1:19:49 I’m
1:19:49 actually
1:19:49 going
1:19:49 to
1:19:50 do
1:19:50 is
1:19:50 threaten
1:19:50 South
1:19:51 Korea
1:19:51 with
1:19:52 having
1:19:52 massive
1:19:53 conventional
1:19:53 capabilities
1:19:53 on
1:19:54 the
1:19:54 DMZ
1:19:54 that
1:19:54 I
1:19:55 could
1:19:55 take
1:19:55 South
1:19:55 Korea
1:19:55 in
1:19:56 a
1:19:56 week
1:19:57 so
1:19:57 you
1:19:57 the
1:19:58 United
1:19:58 States
1:19:58 and
1:19:58 South
1:19:59 Korea
1:19:59 have
1:19:59 no
1:20:00 military
1:20:00 option
1:20:00 that’s
1:20:01 Khamenei’s
1:20:01 view
1:20:01 he
1:20:02 can
1:20:02 actually
1:20:03 building up
1:20:03 this
1:20:04 massive
1:20:04 ballistic
1:20:05 missile
1:20:05 arsenal
1:20:06 that
1:20:06 he’s
1:20:06 unleashed
1:20:06 in the
1:20:07 past
1:20:07 12
1:20:08 days
1:20:08 that
1:20:09 according
1:20:09 to
1:20:10 again
1:20:10 the
1:20:10 US
1:20:11 and
1:20:11 Israel
1:20:11 was
1:20:12 going
1:20:12 to
1:20:12 go
1:20:12 from
1:20:13 2,000
1:20:13 to
1:20:14 6,000
1:20:14 to
1:20:15 20,000
1:20:16 that
1:20:16 from
1:20:16 Khamenei’s
1:20:17 perspective
1:20:17 he didn’t
1:20:17 need to
1:20:18 drop a
1:20:18 nuclear
1:20:19 bomb
1:20:19 on
1:20:20 Tel Aviv
1:20:20 what
1:20:20 he
1:20:20 needed
1:20:21 to
1:20:21 do
1:20:21 was
1:20:21 use
1:20:21 the
1:20:22 threat
1:20:22 of
1:20:22 nuclear
1:20:23 escalation
1:20:23 in
1:20:24 order
1:20:24 to
1:20:24 use
1:20:24 his
1:20:25 conventional
1:20:25 capabilities
1:20:26 his
1:20:26 missiles
1:20:27 to
1:20:27 destroy
1:20:28 Tel Aviv
1:20:28 and
1:20:28 you’ve
1:20:29 already
1:20:29 seen
1:20:29 the
1:20:29 damage
1:20:30 from
1:20:30 just
1:20:31 a
1:20:31 few
1:20:32 dozen
1:20:33 ballistic
1:20:33 missiles
1:20:33 getting
1:20:34 through
1:20:34 the
1:20:34 kind
1:20:34 of
1:20:35 damage
1:20:35 that
1:20:35 he’s
1:20:35 wrought
1:20:35 on
1:20:36 Tel Aviv
1:20:36 already
1:20:37 that
1:20:37 is
1:20:37 the
1:20:38 conception
1:20:38 that
1:20:38 Khamenei
1:20:39 has
1:20:39 it’s
1:20:39 a
1:20:39 revolutionary
1:20:40 regime
1:20:40 it
1:20:41 aggresses
1:20:41 and
1:20:41 I
1:20:42 do
1:20:42 think
1:20:42 it’s
1:20:42 interesting
1:20:42 and
1:20:43 I
1:20:43 think
1:20:43 we
1:20:43 should
1:20:43 talk
1:20:43 about
1:20:44 it
1:20:44 actually
1:20:45 that’s
1:20:45 a
1:20:45 good
1:20:45 cue
1:20:46 let’s
1:20:46 take
1:20:47 a
1:20:47 bath
1:20:47 and
1:20:47 break
1:20:49 okay
1:20:49 we
1:20:49 took
1:20:50 a
1:20:50 quick
1:20:50 break
1:20:50 and
1:20:51 now
1:20:51 Scott
1:20:52 yeah
1:20:52 okay
1:20:53 so
1:20:53 a few
1:20:54 things
1:20:54 there
1:20:54 first
1:20:54 of
1:20:55 all
1:20:56 on
1:20:56 Ahmad
1:20:56 the
1:20:57 pre
1:20:58 2003
1:20:59 nuclear
1:20:59 weapons
1:21:00 research
1:21:01 the
1:21:02 CIA
1:21:03 estimate
1:21:03 in
1:21:04 2007
1:21:05 concluded
1:21:05 that
1:21:05 all
1:21:05 research
1:21:06 had
1:21:06 stopped
1:21:06 in
1:21:07 2003
1:21:07 and
1:21:08 Seymour
1:21:08 Hirsch
1:21:08 reported
1:21:09 that
1:21:09 the
1:21:09 reasoning
1:21:10 behind
1:21:10 that
1:21:11 was
1:21:12 mainly
1:21:12 that
1:21:13 America
1:21:13 had
1:21:13 gotten
1:21:13 rid
1:21:13 of
1:21:14 Saddam
1:21:14 Hussein
1:21:14 for
1:21:14 them
1:21:15 now
1:21:15 in
1:21:16 Gareth
1:21:16 Porter’s
1:21:16 book
1:21:17 Manufactured
1:21:17 Crisis
1:21:18 he
1:21:18 shows
1:21:19 that
1:21:19 the
1:21:19 major
1:21:20 conclusion
1:21:21 that
1:21:21 the
1:21:22 DIA
1:21:23 had
1:21:23 made
1:21:24 that
1:21:24 the
1:21:25 Iranians
1:21:25 were
1:21:26 researching
1:21:26 nuclear
1:21:26 weapons
1:21:27 was
1:21:27 based
1:21:27 on
1:21:27 some
1:21:28 invoices
1:21:28 that
1:21:28 they
1:21:29 had
1:21:29 intercepted
1:21:29 for
1:21:29 some
1:21:30 dual
1:21:30 use
1:21:31 materials
1:21:31 some
1:21:32 specialty
1:21:32 magnets
1:21:33 and
1:21:33 things
1:21:33 that
1:21:34 they
1:21:34 thought
1:21:34 boy
1:21:34 this
1:21:35 looks
1:21:35 like
1:21:35 this
1:21:35 could
1:21:35 be
1:21:35 part
1:21:36 of
1:21:37 a
1:21:38 weaponization
1:21:38 program
1:21:38 a secret
1:21:39 program
1:21:39 here
1:21:40 and
1:21:40 you know
1:21:40 Gareth
1:21:41 Porter
1:21:41 who’s
1:21:42 a really
1:21:42 great
1:21:42 critic
1:21:42 of
1:21:42 all
1:21:43 of
1:21:43 these
1:21:43 policies
1:21:43 and
1:21:44 claims
1:21:45 says
1:21:45 hey
1:21:45 this
1:21:45 was
1:21:45 a
1:21:46 good
1:21:46 faith
1:21:47 misunderstanding
1:21:47 by
1:21:48 DIA
1:21:48 they were
1:21:48 doing
1:21:49 their job
1:21:50 but it
1:21:50 turned out
1:21:50 the
1:21:51 IAEA
1:21:51 later
1:21:51 when
1:21:52 America
1:21:52 gave
1:21:52 them
1:21:52 that
1:21:53 information
1:21:53 the
1:21:54 IAEA
1:21:54 went
1:21:54 and
1:21:54 verified
1:21:55 oh
1:21:55 there’s
1:21:55 the
1:21:55 magnet
1:21:56 and
1:21:56 there’s
1:21:56 this
1:21:56 and
1:21:57 there’s
1:21:57 that
1:21:57 and
1:21:57 all
1:21:57 those
1:21:57 dual
1:21:58 use
1:21:58 items
1:21:58 actually
1:21:58 were
1:21:59 being
1:21:59 used
1:21:59 for
1:22:00 civilian
1:22:00 purposes
1:22:01 and
1:22:01 so
1:22:01 then
1:22:02 as
1:22:02 Gareth
1:22:03 writes
1:22:03 in his
1:22:03 book
1:22:04 the
1:22:20 there
1:22:20 ever
1:22:21 was
1:22:21 a
1:22:21 nuclear
1:22:22 weapons
1:22:22 research
1:22:23 program
1:22:24 in
1:22:24 the
1:22:24 country
1:22:25 before
1:22:25 2003
1:22:26 was
1:22:26 the
1:22:26 smoking
1:22:27 laptop
1:22:28 and
1:22:28 I’m
1:22:28 sorry
1:22:28 I
1:22:28 think
1:22:28 I
1:22:29 misspoke
1:22:29 earlier
1:22:29 when I
1:22:29 said
1:22:30 that
1:22:30 the
1:22:30 laptop
1:22:31 was
1:22:31 in
1:22:32 2005
1:22:32 that
1:22:32 was
1:22:33 just
1:22:33 the
1:22:33 Washington
1:22:33 Post
1:22:34 story
1:22:34 that
1:22:34 had
1:22:34 a
1:22:34 bunch
1:22:34 of
1:22:34 stuff
1:22:35 about
1:22:35 it
1:22:35 that
1:22:35 was
1:22:35 in
1:22:36 2003
1:22:37 as
1:22:37 well
1:22:37 or
1:22:37 2004
1:22:38 possibly
1:22:39 so
1:22:39 this
1:22:39 was
1:22:40 why
1:22:41 the
1:22:41 but
1:22:41 it
1:22:42 was
1:22:42 still
1:22:42 all
1:22:43 again
1:22:43 forged
1:22:44 by
1:22:50 had
1:22:50 nothing
1:22:50 in
1:22:50 it
1:22:51 at
1:22:52 least
1:22:52 the
1:22:52 accusations
1:22:52 and
1:22:53 it
1:22:53 weren’t
1:22:53 past
1:22:53 2003
1:22:54 and
1:22:54 so
1:22:55 there’s
1:22:56 really
1:22:56 no
1:22:56 reason
1:22:56 to
1:22:57 believe
1:22:57 that
1:22:57 there
1:22:57 was
1:22:58 actually
1:22:58 a
1:22:58 nuclear
1:22:58 weapons
1:22:59 research
1:22:59 program
1:23:00 even
1:23:00 before
1:23:01 2003
1:23:01 which
1:23:02 then
1:23:02 again
1:23:03 the
1:23:03 National
1:23:03 Intelligence
1:23:04 Council
1:23:04 says
1:23:05 ended
1:23:05 in
1:23:06 2003
1:23:06 and
1:23:07 hasn’t
1:23:07 been
1:23:07 restarted
1:23:07 since
1:23:08 then
1:23:08 Can I ask you a question
1:23:09 not a comment by me
1:23:10 but a question
1:23:11 just your perspective
1:23:11 so just so I
1:23:12 understand
1:23:12 this
1:23:12 so
1:23:12 the
1:23:13 nuclear
1:23:14 archive
1:23:14 this
1:23:15 massive
1:23:15 archive
1:23:16 that
1:23:16 the
1:23:16 Israelis
1:23:17 were able
1:23:17 to
1:23:17 take
1:23:17 out
1:23:17 of
1:23:18 Tehran
1:23:19 bring
1:23:19 to
1:23:19 the
1:23:19 United
1:23:20 States
1:23:20 bring
1:23:20 to
1:23:20 the
1:23:21 IAEA
1:23:21 which
1:23:22 is
1:23:22 very
1:23:23 detailed
1:23:24 blueprints
1:23:24 it’s
1:23:25 just the
1:23:25 alleged
1:23:25 studies
1:23:26 documents
1:23:26 again
1:23:26 it’s
1:23:26 the
1:23:26 same
1:23:27 stuff
1:23:27 from
1:23:27 the
1:23:27 smoking
1:23:28 laptop
1:23:28 yeah
1:23:28 so
1:23:28 let
1:23:28 me
1:23:29 just
1:23:29 ask
1:23:29 you
1:23:29 because
1:23:30 it’s
1:23:30 huge
1:23:30 and
1:23:31 it’s
1:23:31 very
1:23:31 detailed
1:23:31 and
1:23:32 it
1:23:32 shows
1:23:32 clearly
1:23:33 that
1:23:33 Iran
1:23:33 had
1:23:33 an
1:23:34 active
1:23:42 are you
1:23:42 suggesting
1:23:42 that
1:23:43 that’s
1:23:43 all
1:23:43 been
1:23:43 forged
1:23:44 by
1:23:45 Israel
1:23:46 yes
1:23:46 nothing
1:23:46 in the
1:23:47 smoking
1:23:47 laptop
1:23:47 held up
1:23:48 not
1:23:48 the
1:23:48 laptop
1:23:49 but
1:23:49 this
1:23:50 entire
1:23:51 archive
1:23:51 that
1:23:51 they
1:23:51 pulled
1:23:51 out
1:23:52 with
1:23:53 you’re
1:23:53 thinking
1:23:53 of
1:23:53 like
1:23:54 blueprints
1:23:55 photo op
1:23:55 with all
1:23:55 the
1:23:56 documents
1:23:58 behind
1:23:58 them
1:23:58 I’ve
1:23:58 seen
1:23:58 it
1:23:59 I’ve
1:23:59 seen
1:23:59 many
1:24:00 of
1:24:00 the
1:24:00 documents
1:24:01 there’s
1:24:01 thousands
1:24:01 of
1:24:02 pages
1:24:02 I’m
1:24:03 asking
1:24:03 this
1:24:03 is
1:24:03 not
1:24:03 what
1:24:03 I’m
1:24:04 claiming
1:24:05 is
1:24:05 that
1:24:05 all
1:24:05 forged
1:24:06 by
1:24:06 Israel
1:24:06 is
1:24:06 that
1:24:07 not
1:24:07 all
1:24:07 about
1:24:07 the
1:24:08 uranium
1:24:09 tetrafluoride
1:24:09 and
1:24:09 the
1:24:09 warhead
1:24:09 that
1:24:10 David
1:24:10 Albright
1:24:11 debunked
1:24:11 and
1:24:12 all
1:24:12 the
1:24:12 same
1:24:12 claims
1:24:13 that
1:24:13 were
1:24:13 in
1:24:13 the
1:24:13 smoking
1:24:14 laptop
1:24:14 from
1:24:14 the
1:24:14 Bush
1:24:15 years
1:24:15 David
1:24:15 David
1:24:16 Albright
1:24:17 actually wrote
1:24:17 an entire
1:24:18 book
1:24:18 it’s
1:24:18 a
1:24:18 very
1:24:18 detailed
1:24:19 book
1:24:19 your
1:24:19 listeners
1:24:20 should
1:24:20 Google
1:24:20 it’s
1:24:21 David
1:24:21 Albright
1:24:22 and
1:24:22 the
1:24:22 archive
1:24:23 where
1:24:23 he
1:24:23 goes
1:24:24 in
1:24:24 he
1:24:24 went
1:24:24 in
1:24:25 detail
1:24:25 and
1:24:26 he
1:24:27 confirms
1:24:27 the
1:24:28 information
1:24:28 in
1:24:28 that
1:24:29 archive
1:24:29 that
1:24:29 Iran
1:24:30 had
1:24:30 an
1:24:30 active
1:24:31 program
1:24:31 under
1:24:32 something
1:24:32 called
1:24:32 Ahmad
1:24:33 to
1:24:33 develop
1:24:34 five
1:24:34 atomic
1:24:35 weapons
1:24:35 so
1:24:35 again
1:24:36 you
1:24:36 and
1:24:36 I
1:24:36 can
1:24:37 debate
1:24:37 this
1:24:37 all
1:24:37 day
1:24:38 this
1:24:38 would
1:24:38 have
1:24:38 been
1:24:38 before
1:24:39 Natanz
1:24:39 was
1:24:39 even
1:24:40 dug
1:24:40 and
1:24:40 before
1:24:40 single
1:24:41 centrifuge
1:24:41 spinning
1:24:42 right
1:24:42 I’m
1:24:42 just
1:24:43 making
1:24:43 sure
1:24:43 everybody
1:24:43 understands
1:24:44 assuming
1:24:44 that
1:24:44 was
1:24:44 true
1:24:45 we’re
1:24:45 talking
1:24:45 about
1:24:45 a
1:24:45 piece
1:24:45 of
1:24:45 paper
1:24:46 it’s
1:24:46 not
1:24:46 a
1:24:46 piece
1:24:47 of
1:24:47 paper
1:24:47 it’s
1:24:47 a
1:24:47 massive
1:24:48 archive
1:24:48 I’m
1:24:49 just
1:24:49 asking
1:24:49 the
1:24:49 question
1:24:50 you
1:24:50 believe
1:24:51 Mossad
1:24:51 fabricated
1:24:52 all
1:24:52 of
1:24:52 this
1:24:52 as
1:24:53 a
1:24:53 lie
1:24:53 to
1:24:54 deceive
1:24:54 the
1:24:54 United
1:24:55 States
1:24:55 the
1:24:55 IAEA
1:24:56 and
1:24:56 international
1:24:56 community
1:24:57 that’s
1:24:57 just
1:24:57 my
1:24:57 question
1:24:58 my
1:24:59 understanding
1:24:59 is that
1:24:59 there’s
1:25:00 nothing
1:25:00 significant
1:25:01 in
1:25:01 the
1:25:02 2018
1:25:02 archive
1:25:03 that
1:25:03 was
1:25:03 not
1:25:04 already
1:25:04 in
1:25:05 the
1:25:06 debunked
1:25:06 claims
1:25:06 from
1:25:06 the
1:25:07 laptop
1:25:07 but
1:25:07 my
1:25:08 question
1:25:08 is
1:25:09 is
1:25:09 not
1:25:10 that
1:25:10 it’s
1:25:11 debunked
1:25:11 because
1:25:11 we
1:25:11 can
1:25:11 argue
1:25:11 about
1:25:12 whether
1:25:12 it’s
1:25:12 debunked
1:25:12 or not
1:25:13 but
1:25:13 are
1:25:13 you
1:25:14 saying
1:25:14 Mossad
1:25:15 fabricated
1:25:25 where
1:25:25 did
1:25:25 the
1:25:25 M.E.K.
1:25:27 got it
1:25:27 from
1:25:27 the
1:25:28 Israelis
1:25:28 Scott
1:25:28 I’m not
1:25:28 asking
1:25:28 about
1:25:28 the
1:25:29 laptop
1:25:29 I’m
1:25:29 asking
1:25:30 about
1:25:30 this
1:25:31 huge
1:25:31 archive
1:25:31 that
1:25:31 was
1:25:32 sitting
1:25:32 in
1:25:32 a
1:25:32 warehouse
1:25:32 in
1:25:33 Tehran
1:25:34 full
1:25:34 I don’t
1:25:35 know
1:25:35 the
1:25:35 truth
1:25:35 behind
1:25:36 those
1:25:36 documents
1:25:36 I
1:25:37 don’t
1:25:37 believe
1:25:38 Israeli
1:25:38 claims
1:25:39 of
1:25:39 what
1:25:39 they
1:25:40 were
1:25:40 and
1:25:40 where
1:25:40 they
1:25:40 came
1:25:41 from
1:25:41 without
1:25:42 for
1:25:42 example
1:25:42 reading
1:25:43 Albright’s
1:25:43 book
1:25:43 and
1:25:44 seeing
1:25:44 what
1:25:44 he
1:25:44 has
1:25:44 to
1:25:44 say
1:25:45 about
1:25:45 all
1:25:45 of
1:25:45 that
1:25:46 I
1:25:52 there
1:25:52 you
1:25:52 say
1:25:52 that
1:25:52 there’s
1:25:52 a
1:25:53 document
1:25:53 that
1:25:53 has
1:25:53 a
1:25:53 plan
1:25:54 to
1:25:54 make
1:25:54 five
1:25:55 bombs
1:25:55 but
1:25:56 isn’t
1:25:56 the
1:25:56 rest
1:25:56 of the
1:25:56 proof
1:25:56 the
1:25:57 same
1:25:57 green
1:25:58 salt
1:25:58 experiments
1:25:59 and
1:25:59 the
1:25:59 warhead
1:26:00 for
1:26:00 the
1:26:00 missile
1:26:00 that
1:26:00 David
1:26:01 Albright
1:26:01 showed
1:26:02 was
1:26:03 obviously
1:26:03 fake
1:26:04 because
1:26:04 the
1:26:04 warhead
1:26:05 was
1:26:06 purportedly
1:26:06 being
1:26:07 designed
1:26:07 for a
1:26:07 missile
1:26:07 that
1:26:08 was
1:26:08 now
1:26:08 going
1:26:08 to
1:26:08 have
1:26:08 an
1:26:09 entirely
1:26:09 different
1:26:10 nose
1:26:10 cone
1:26:10 on
1:26:10 it
1:26:11 David
1:26:11 Albright
1:26:11 again
1:26:12 we should
1:26:12 bring
1:26:13 David
1:26:13 Albright
1:26:13 here
1:26:14 David
1:26:14 Albright
1:26:14 is a
1:26:15 prominent
1:26:15 physicist
1:26:15 and
1:26:16 nuclear
1:26:16 proliferation
1:26:17 expert
1:26:17 known for
1:26:18 his detailed
1:26:18 research
1:26:19 and publication
1:26:19 on nuclear
1:26:20 weapons
1:26:20 he has a
1:26:21 bunch of
1:26:21 books
1:26:21 peddling
1:26:22 peril
1:26:23 Iran’s
1:26:23 perilous
1:26:23 pursuit
1:26:23 of
1:26:24 nuclear
1:26:24 weapons
1:26:25 plutonium
1:26:25 and
1:26:26 highly
1:26:26 enriched
1:26:26 uranium
1:26:27 1996
1:26:28 and so
1:26:28 on
1:26:28 yeah
1:26:29 so
1:26:30 folks
1:26:30 should
1:26:31 read
1:26:31 the
1:26:31 book
1:26:32 on the
1:26:32 archive
1:26:33 because
1:26:33 David
1:26:33 had
1:26:35 full
1:26:35 access
1:26:35 to the
1:26:36 archive
1:26:36 all the
1:26:37 detailed
1:26:37 documents
1:26:38 and
1:26:38 blueprints
1:26:38 and he
1:26:39 writes
1:26:39 a book
1:26:39 that
1:26:40 again
1:26:40 the
1:26:40 conclusion
1:26:41 of
1:26:41 which
1:26:41 is
1:26:42 Iran
1:26:42 had
1:26:42 an
1:26:43 active
1:26:44 nuclear
1:26:44 weapons
1:26:44 program
1:26:45 no
1:26:45 no
1:26:45 the
1:26:45 conclusion
1:26:45 of
1:26:46 which
1:26:46 was
1:26:46 they
1:26:46 were
1:26:47 researching
1:26:47 it
1:26:48 right
1:26:48 before
1:26:48 2003
1:26:49 they had
1:26:49 no
1:26:49 nuclear
1:26:50 material
1:26:50 to
1:26:51 introduce
1:26:51 into a
1:26:52 single
1:26:52 machine
1:26:52 right
1:26:53 well
1:26:53 they
1:26:53 had
1:26:55 already
1:26:56 built
1:26:56 a
1:26:56 covert
1:26:56 enrichment
1:26:57 facility
1:26:57 which
1:26:57 was
1:26:58 only
1:26:58 no
1:26:58 they
1:26:58 hadn’t
1:26:58 it
1:26:58 was
1:26:59 closed
1:26:59 Natanz
1:27:00 was
1:27:12 putting
1:27:12 in
1:27:12 place
1:27:13 the
1:27:13 component
1:27:14 parts
1:27:15 for
1:27:16 a
1:27:16 nuclear
1:27:17 weapons
1:27:17 capability
1:27:18 and
1:27:19 Ahmad
1:27:20 showed
1:27:21 conclusively
1:27:21 unless you
1:27:22 believe
1:27:22 Mossad
1:27:23 fabricated
1:27:23 at all
1:27:24 that
1:27:24 they
1:27:24 actually
1:27:25 had
1:27:25 the
1:27:25 plan
1:27:25 to
1:27:26 build
1:27:26 nuclear
1:27:27 warheads
1:27:27 again
1:27:27 Seymour
1:27:27 Hirsch
1:27:28 says
1:27:28 that
1:27:28 it
1:27:28 was
1:27:29 when
1:27:29 Seymour
1:27:29 Hirsch
1:27:30 was not
1:27:30 a
1:27:30 nuclear
1:27:30 weapons
1:27:31 expert
1:27:31 David
1:27:32 Albright
1:27:32 has
1:27:32 you saw
1:27:32 the
1:27:32 archive
1:27:33 Hirsch’s
1:27:34 sources
1:27:34 said
1:27:35 you’re
1:27:35 claiming
1:27:35 that
1:27:35 America
1:27:36 invaded
1:27:37 Iraq
1:27:37 and
1:27:37 overthrew
1:27:38 Saddam
1:27:38 Hussein
1:27:38 for
1:27:38 them
1:27:39 that
1:27:39 was
1:27:39 when
1:27:39 they
1:27:40 gave
1:27:40 up
1:27:40 even
1:27:41 considering
1:27:41 the
1:27:41 need
1:27:42 for
1:27:42 it
1:27:42 remember
1:27:42 the
1:27:43 Iranians
1:27:43 held a
1:27:44 million
1:27:44 man
1:27:44 vigil
1:27:45 for
1:27:45 the
1:27:45 Americans
1:27:46 on
1:27:46 September
1:27:47 11th
1:27:47 the
1:27:47 Iranians
1:27:48 hated
1:27:48 the
1:27:48 Taliban
1:27:49 in fact
1:27:49 the
1:27:49 Americans
1:27:49 thought
1:27:50 Iran
1:27:50 might
1:27:51 invade
1:27:51 Afghanistan
1:27:52 earlier
1:27:52 in
1:27:52 2001
1:27:53 and
1:27:53 they
1:27:53 hated
1:27:54 Saddam
1:27:54 Hussein
1:27:55 so
1:27:55 they
1:28:08 You’re
1:28:08 asking
1:28:09 me
1:28:09 what
1:28:09 I
1:28:09 already
1:28:10 answered
1:28:10 you
1:28:10 I
1:28:12 fabricated
1:28:12 that
1:28:12 entire
1:28:12 I
1:28:13 already
1:28:13 told
1:28:13 you
1:28:13 I
1:28:14 don’t
1:28:14 take
1:28:14 their
1:28:14 word
1:28:14 for
1:28:15 anything
1:28:15 and
1:28:16 as far
1:28:17 as I
1:28:17 understand
1:28:17 the
1:28:18 accusations
1:28:18 in there
1:28:18 are the
1:28:18 same
1:28:19 ones
1:28:19 from
1:28:19 the
1:28:19 laptop
1:28:20 that
1:28:20 are
1:28:20 already
1:28:21 discredited
1:28:21 and I
1:28:21 haven’t
1:28:22 read
1:28:22 David
1:28:22 Albright’s
1:28:22 book
1:28:23 you’re
1:28:23 distracting
1:28:24 from
1:28:24 me
1:28:24 refuting
1:28:25 this
1:28:25 giant
1:28:26 list
1:28:26 of
1:28:26 false
1:28:26 claims
1:28:27 that
1:28:27 you
1:28:27 made
1:28:27 previously
1:28:28 that
1:28:28 I
1:28:28 haven’t
1:28:28 got
1:28:28 a
1:28:28 chance
1:28:29 all
1:28:29 agree
1:28:29 you’re
1:28:29 going
1:28:29 to
1:28:29 read
1:28:29 the
1:28:29 book
1:28:30 maybe
1:28:30 Lex
1:28:31 you’re
1:28:31 going
1:28:31 to
1:28:31 read
1:28:31 the
1:28:31 book
1:28:32 viewers
1:28:32 you should
1:28:32 read
1:28:32 the
1:28:33 book
1:28:33 I
1:28:33 think
1:28:33 David
1:28:33 Albright
1:28:34 has
1:28:34 done
1:28:34 a
1:28:34 meticulous
1:28:35 job
1:28:35 it’s
1:28:35 by the
1:28:35 way
1:28:35 just
1:28:36 just
1:28:36 warning
1:28:36 it’s
1:28:37 a
1:28:37 big
1:28:37 book
1:28:38 very
1:28:38 detailed
1:28:39 hundreds
1:28:39 of
1:28:39 pages
1:28:39 and
1:28:40 he
1:28:40 goes
1:28:40 through
1:28:40 it
1:28:40 in
1:28:41 meticulous
1:28:41 detail
1:28:42 in
1:28:42 analyzing
1:28:43 this
1:28:44 archive
1:28:44 and showed
1:28:44 again
1:28:44 that
1:28:45 Iran
1:28:45 had
1:28:46 an
1:28:46 active
1:28:47 nuclear
1:28:47 weapons
1:28:48 program
1:28:48 designed
1:28:48 to
1:28:48 build
1:28:59 war
1:28:59 with
1:29:00 Iraq
1:29:00 for
1:29:00 Ariel
1:29:00 Sharon
1:29:01 so
1:29:01 just
1:29:01 to
1:29:02 clarify
1:29:02 Hugh
1:29:03 Mark
1:29:03 and
1:29:04 David
1:29:04 Albright
1:29:06 believe
1:29:06 that
1:29:07 Iran
1:29:08 was
1:29:08 developing
1:29:08 a
1:29:08 nuclear
1:29:09 weapon
1:29:10 and
1:29:10 you
1:29:10 Scott
1:29:10 are
1:29:11 saying
1:29:11 they
1:29:11 were
1:29:11 not
1:29:11 before
1:29:12 2003
1:29:13 just
1:29:14 to
1:29:14 summarize
1:29:15 what
1:29:15 we were
1:29:15 just
1:29:15 talking
1:29:15 about
1:29:16 well
1:29:16 I
1:29:16 can
1:29:16 tell
1:29:16 you
1:29:17 that
1:29:17 so
1:29:18 Gareth’s
1:29:18 book
1:29:18 came
1:29:18 out
1:29:18 in
1:29:19 2014
1:29:20 which
1:29:20 is
1:29:20 before
1:29:20 this
1:29:21 archive
1:29:21 was
1:29:22 supposedly
1:29:22 revealed
1:29:22 in
1:29:23 Tehran
1:29:23 but
1:29:24 in
1:29:25 Gareth’s
1:29:25 book
1:29:25 he
1:29:25 shows
1:29:26 that
1:29:26 the
1:29:27 CIA
1:29:27 and
1:29:27 national
1:29:28 intelligence
1:29:28 estimate
1:29:28 of
1:29:29 2007
1:29:30 that
1:29:30 said
1:29:30 that
1:29:30 there
1:29:30 was
1:29:30 a
1:29:31 program
1:29:31 before
1:29:32 2003
1:29:32 and
1:29:33 was
1:29:33 halted
1:29:34 after
1:29:34 America
1:29:35 invaded
1:29:35 Iraq
1:29:36 was
1:29:37 based
1:29:37 on
1:29:38 one
1:29:38 the
1:29:39 the
1:29:39 DIA’s
1:29:40 mistaken
1:29:41 but
1:29:41 sincere
1:29:43 interpretation
1:29:44 of these
1:29:44 invoices
1:29:45 for these
1:29:46 dual use
1:29:47 technologies
1:29:47 and then
1:29:48 the smoking
1:29:48 laptop
1:29:49 which was
1:29:50 completely
1:29:50 fake
1:29:50 and funneled
1:29:51 into the
1:29:51 stream
1:29:52 by the
1:29:53 Mujahideen
1:29:53 e-cult
1:29:54 communist
1:29:54 terrorist
1:29:54 cult
1:29:54 the same
1:29:55 people
1:29:55 who
1:29:56 come
1:29:56 off
1:29:56 with
1:29:57 you
1:29:57 know
1:29:57 10
1:29:57 major
1:29:57 hoax
1:29:58 the
1:29:58 NCRI
1:29:58 they
1:29:58 just
1:29:59 put
1:29:59 out
1:29:59 the
1:30:00 NCRI
1:30:00 the
1:30:00 National
1:30:00 Council
1:30:01 for
1:30:01 Resistance
1:30:01 in
1:30:25 No
1:30:25 but
1:30:25 but
1:30:25 let’s
1:30:26 talk
1:30:26 about
1:30:26 that
1:30:26 they
1:30:26 had
1:30:27 interesting
1:30:28 history
1:30:28 according
1:30:28 to
1:30:29 NIE
1:30:29 they
1:30:29 had
1:30:30 a
1:30:30 nuclear
1:30:30 weapons
1:30:31 research
1:30:31 program
1:30:32 that
1:30:32 never
1:30:33 made
1:30:33 anything
1:30:34 at
1:30:34 all
1:30:34 so you
1:30:35 can try
1:30:35 to conflate
1:30:35 that if you
1:30:35 want
1:30:36 but I think
1:30:37 everybody
1:31:07 the Supreme
1:31:07 Supreme
1:31:37 million people
1:31:37 people
1:31:37 had been
1:31:38 had been
1:31:39 killed
1:31:39 so they
1:31:39 were
1:31:40 they were
1:31:41 afraid
1:31:41 that the
1:31:41 United
1:31:42 States
1:31:42 was
1:31:42 going
1:31:42 to
1:31:43 march
1:31:43 from
1:31:44 Baghdad
1:31:44 to
1:31:44 Tehran
1:31:46 so they
1:31:46 make a
1:31:46 decision
1:31:48 to end
1:31:49 their
1:31:50 active
1:31:50 Ahmad
1:31:51 program
1:31:52 they
1:31:53 make a
1:31:53 decision
1:31:53 to
1:31:54 build
1:31:54 out
1:31:54 the
1:31:54 key
1:31:55 capabilities
1:31:55 they
1:31:56 need
1:31:56 to
1:31:56 retain
1:31:57 an
1:31:57 Iranian
1:31:58 nuclear
1:31:58 weapons
1:31:59 option
1:32:00 specifically
1:32:00 the
1:32:01 enrichment
1:32:01 capabilities
1:32:02 at
1:32:03 Natanz
1:32:03 and then
1:32:04 Fordow
1:32:05 and at
1:32:05 Iraq
1:32:06 giving them
1:32:06 the
1:32:07 plutonium
1:32:07 route
1:32:08 and then
1:32:08 what they
1:32:09 do is
1:32:09 they take
1:32:10 the members
1:32:10 of the
1:32:10 Ahmad
1:32:11 program
1:32:11 the nuclear
1:32:11 weapons
1:32:12 scientists
1:32:12 that have
1:32:12 worked
1:32:13 on this
1:32:14 and they
1:32:14 disperse
1:32:14 them
1:32:15 so they’re
1:32:16 now no
1:32:16 longer
1:32:17 in a
1:32:18 formal
1:32:19 weapons
1:32:19 program
1:32:20 they’re
1:32:20 put in
1:32:20 a
1:32:21 number
1:32:21 of
1:32:22 different
1:32:22 research
1:32:22 centers
1:32:23 and
1:32:23 universities
1:32:24 and
1:32:24 Mohsen
1:32:25 Fakhrizade
1:32:25 who you
1:32:26 mentioned
1:32:27 earlier
1:32:28 who’s
1:32:28 in some
1:32:28 respects
1:32:29 I wouldn’t
1:32:29 call him
1:32:30 the Oppenheimer
1:32:31 of the
1:32:32 Iranian
1:32:32 nuclear
1:32:33 weapons
1:32:33 program
1:32:33 he’s
1:32:34 more like
1:32:36 who was
1:32:36 in the
1:32:36 Oppenheimer
1:32:37 movie
1:32:37 Leslie
1:32:37 Grove
1:32:39 the guy
1:32:39 who was
1:32:39 actually
1:32:40 responsible
1:32:40 for the
1:32:41 organization
1:32:42 and the
1:32:43 training
1:32:43 and the
1:32:44 recruitment
1:32:44 and the
1:32:45 guy that
1:32:45 actually ran
1:32:46 the program
1:32:46 as opposed
1:32:47 to Oppenheimer
1:32:47 the sort
1:32:48 of brilliant
1:32:48 nuclear
1:32:49 physicist
1:32:50 this is
1:32:51 Fakhrizade
1:32:52 so Fakhrizade
1:32:53 takes control
1:32:53 of this
1:32:54 program
1:32:55 and now
1:32:55 it is
1:32:56 dispersed
1:32:57 and it
1:32:57 is
1:32:59 unstructured
1:32:59 in that
1:33:00 sense
1:33:00 because
1:33:01 they
1:33:01 recognize
1:33:02 that if
1:33:03 they continue
1:33:03 with this
1:33:04 the United
1:33:04 States
1:33:05 may march
1:33:06 to Tehran
1:33:06 and so
1:33:07 the NIE
1:33:08 says
1:33:08 Iran is
1:33:09 retaining
1:33:09 the key
1:33:10 capabilities
1:33:10 the enrichment
1:33:11 capabilities
1:33:11 to give
1:33:12 them an
1:33:12 option
1:33:12 for a
1:33:12 nuclear
1:33:13 weapon
1:33:13 but we
1:33:14 the NIE
1:33:15 have decided
1:33:15 or we
1:33:16 have concluded
1:33:17 that they
1:33:17 no longer
1:33:18 have an
1:33:18 active
1:33:19 structured
1:33:20 nuclear
1:33:20 weapons
1:33:21 program
1:33:21 however
1:33:22 since then
1:33:22 what have
1:33:23 we seen
1:33:23 we’ve seen
1:33:24 them actually
1:33:25 do what
1:33:26 many suspected
1:33:26 they would do
1:33:27 which is
1:33:28 build all
1:33:28 the key
1:33:29 capabilities
1:33:29 that they
1:33:30 need
1:33:30 so that
1:33:31 at the time
1:33:31 of their
1:33:32 choosing
1:33:32 they can
1:33:33 decide
1:33:34 to develop
1:33:35 a nuclear
1:33:35 bomb
1:33:36 whether it’s
1:33:36 a crude
1:33:36 nuclear device
1:33:37 as you
1:33:37 described
1:33:38 whether it’s
1:33:38 a nuclear
1:33:39 warhead
1:33:40 we’ve had
1:33:40 that discussion
1:33:42 so far
1:33:42 but just
1:33:43 sorry
1:33:43 just to
1:33:43 finish
1:33:44 so
1:33:44 just
1:33:45 understand
1:33:46 the brilliance
1:33:47 of Iranian
1:33:48 nuclear
1:33:49 deception
1:33:49 right
1:33:50 I just
1:33:50 I think
1:33:50 it’s
1:33:50 really
1:33:50 interesting
1:33:51 to get
1:33:51 in the
1:33:51 minds
1:33:52 of the
1:33:52 Ayatollah
1:33:52 and understand
1:33:53 this
1:33:53 because
1:33:54 he doesn’t
1:33:55 want to provoke
1:33:55 the United
1:33:55 States
1:33:57 he doesn’t
1:33:57 want to see
1:33:57 another
1:33:59 Iraq style
1:33:59 invasion
1:34:00 this time
1:34:00 of his
1:34:00 country
1:34:02 he’s
1:34:02 building
1:34:02 this
1:34:03 capability
1:34:03 on the
1:34:03 enrichment
1:34:04 side
1:34:04 and on
1:34:04 the
1:34:05 reprocessing
1:34:05 side
1:34:06 he is
1:34:06 framing
1:34:07 this
1:34:07 as I’m
1:34:07 only
1:34:08 building
1:34:08 a
1:34:08 civilian
1:34:08 nuclear
1:34:09 program
1:34:09 he’s
1:34:09 taking
1:34:10 the
1:34:10 weapons
1:34:10 scientists
1:34:11 who are
1:34:11 building
1:34:12 part
1:34:13 of an
1:34:13 active
1:34:14 nuclear
1:34:14 weapons
1:34:14 program
1:34:16 and he’s
1:34:16 dispersing
1:34:17 them
1:34:17 putting
1:34:17 them
1:34:18 under
1:34:18 the
1:34:19 guidance
1:34:19 and
1:34:19 direction
1:34:19 of
1:34:20 Fakhrizade
1:34:21 and starting
1:34:22 to build
1:34:22 out
1:34:22 these
1:34:23 capabilities
1:34:23 I mean
1:34:24 I admire
1:34:25 I have to say
1:34:26 I really
1:34:26 admire the
1:34:27 way he’s
1:34:27 played
1:34:27 this
1:34:28 three-dimensional
1:34:28 nuclear
1:34:29 chess
1:34:29 game
1:34:29 it’s
1:34:30 very
1:34:30 very
1:34:30 interesting
1:34:31 and I
1:34:31 think
1:34:31 he made
1:34:32 a tragic
1:34:33 mistake
1:34:34 about
1:34:35 six
1:34:35 weeks
1:34:35 ago
1:34:36 when
1:34:36 he
1:34:36 rejected
1:34:37 the
1:34:37 offer
1:34:37 from
1:34:38 Trump
1:34:38 at
1:34:39 Oman
1:34:40 and then
1:34:40 provoked
1:34:41 both an
1:34:41 Israeli
1:34:42 and then
1:34:42 an
1:34:42 American
1:34:43 strike
1:34:44 but he
1:34:44 was
1:34:44 playing
1:34:44 this
1:34:45 game
1:34:46 almost
1:34:46 perfectly
1:34:47 before
1:34:47 then
1:34:48 in
1:34:48 building
1:34:48 out
1:34:48 these
1:34:49 capabilities
1:34:50 and
1:34:50 I
1:34:50 think
1:34:51 what
1:34:51 he
1:34:51 should
1:34:51 have
1:34:51 done
1:34:51 if
1:34:52 I
1:34:52 were
1:34:52 him
1:34:52 I
1:34:52 would
1:34:52 have
1:34:53 waited
1:34:53 out
1:34:53 Trump
1:34:54 I
1:34:54 would
1:34:54 have
1:34:54 waited
1:34:55 three
1:34:55 and a
1:34:55 half
1:34:55 years
1:34:55 I
1:34:55 would
1:34:55 have
1:34:56 taken
1:34:56 the
1:34:56 offer
1:34:56 in
1:34:56 Oman
1:34:57 which
1:34:57 gave
1:34:57 him
1:34:58 enrichment
1:34:58 capability
1:34:59 above
1:34:59 ground
1:35:00 this
1:35:01 consortium
1:35:01 that was
1:35:01 going to
1:35:01 be built
1:35:02 in three
1:35:02 and a
1:35:02 half
1:35:02 years
1:35:03 would
1:35:03 never
1:35:03 be
1:35:03 built
1:35:04 and even
1:35:04 if
1:35:04 it was
1:35:04 built
1:35:05 he
1:35:05 could
1:35:05 just
1:35:05 say
1:35:05 I’m
1:35:05 not
1:35:06 interested
1:35:06 anymore
1:35:07 and
1:35:07 challenge
1:35:07 the
1:35:08 next
1:35:08 president
1:35:08 whoever
1:35:09 that
1:35:09 is
1:35:09 Republican
1:35:10 and Democrat
1:35:10 to do
1:35:11 anything
1:35:11 about
1:35:11 it
1:35:11 and I
1:35:11 think
1:35:11 the
1:35:12 political
1:35:13 calculation
1:35:14 should
1:35:14 have
1:35:14 been
1:35:14 the
1:35:15 next
1:35:15 president
1:35:15 is
1:35:15 not
1:35:15 going
1:35:16 to
1:35:16 do
1:35:16 anything
1:35:16 about
1:35:16 this
1:35:17 I’ll
1:35:18 be
1:35:18 able
1:35:18 to
1:35:18 then
1:35:18 be
1:35:18 able
1:35:19 to
1:35:19 complete
1:35:19 my
1:35:20 nuclear
1:35:20 weapons
1:35:20 program
1:35:21 but he
1:35:22 challenged
1:35:22 Trump
1:35:22 he
1:35:22 thought
1:35:23 Trump
1:35:23 was
1:35:23 a
1:35:23 paper
1:35:24 tiger
1:35:24 he
1:35:25 rejected
1:35:25 that
1:35:25 offer
1:35:25 at
1:35:26 Oman
1:35:27 and
1:35:27 we’ve
1:35:27 seen
1:35:28 what’s
1:35:28 happened
1:35:28 over
1:35:28 the
1:35:28 past
1:35:29 couple
1:35:29 weeks
1:35:30 two
1:35:30 things
1:35:31 one
1:35:31 can
1:35:31 you
1:35:31 go
1:35:31 and
1:35:32 respond
1:35:32 to
1:35:32 certain
1:35:32 things
1:35:33 that
1:35:33 you
1:35:34 heard
1:35:34 and
1:35:35 two
1:35:35 can
1:35:35 we
1:35:36 generally
1:35:36 move
1:35:37 in
1:35:37 the
1:35:37 direction
1:35:38 of
1:35:38 the
1:35:38 modern
1:35:39 day
1:35:39 and
1:35:39 trying
1:35:40 to
1:35:40 see
1:35:40 what
1:35:40 is
1:35:40 the
1:35:41 right
1:35:48 history
1:35:48 which
1:35:48 is
1:35:49 really
1:35:49 important
1:35:49 but
1:35:50 sort
1:35:50 of
1:35:50 moving
1:35:50 forward
1:35:51 but
1:35:52 go ahead
1:35:52 please
1:35:53 I’m not
1:35:53 sure how much
1:35:53 time we have
1:35:55 I kind of
1:35:55 hoped
1:35:56 that we could
1:35:56 talk about
1:35:58 Israel’s role
1:35:59 in Iraq
1:35:59 War II
1:36:00 and for
1:36:01 that matter
1:36:02 in Barack
1:36:02 Obama’s
1:36:02 dirty war
1:36:03 in Syria
1:36:03 that led
1:36:04 to the rise
1:36:04 of the
1:36:05 bin Laden
1:36:05 Knights
1:36:05 there
1:36:05 it’s
1:36:06 all part
1:36:06 of
1:36:07 America’s
1:36:07 Israel
1:36:07 policy
1:36:08 so I
1:36:08 don’t
1:36:08 want
1:36:08 to
1:36:09 I
1:36:09 rather
1:36:09 go
1:36:09 back
1:36:10 before
1:36:10 we
1:36:10 go
1:36:10 forward
1:36:11 but
1:36:11 I
1:36:11 also
1:36:12 do
1:36:12 I
1:36:12 need
1:36:12 to
1:36:13 go
1:36:13 back
1:36:13 over
1:36:13 so
1:36:13 many
1:36:14 claims
1:36:14 that
1:36:14 he’s
1:36:14 made
1:36:14 here
1:36:14 that
1:36:15 I
1:36:16 strongly
1:36:17 prefer
1:36:17 we
1:36:17 go
1:36:18 because
1:36:18 there’s
1:36:18 so
1:36:19 much
1:36:19 history
1:36:19 we’re
1:36:19 going
1:36:19 to
1:36:20 lose
1:36:20 ourselves
1:36:20 in it
1:36:20 there’s
1:36:21 not
1:36:21 enough
1:36:21 hours
1:36:22 we
1:36:23 should
1:36:24 take
1:36:24 certain
1:36:24 moments
1:36:25 in
1:36:25 history
1:36:25 that
1:36:26 instruct
1:36:26 the
1:36:27 modern
1:36:27 day
1:36:28 but
1:36:28 let’s
1:36:28 not
1:36:28 get
1:36:29 lost
1:36:29 there
1:36:29 if
1:36:29 it’s
1:36:29 okay
1:36:30 sure
1:36:30 this
1:36:30 is
1:36:30 such
1:36:30 a
1:36:31 fascinating
1:36:31 conversation
1:36:32 although
1:36:32 we’re
1:36:32 talking
1:36:32 about
1:36:33 you
1:36:33 know
1:36:33 the
1:36:34 JCPOA
1:36:34 and the
1:36:34 time
1:36:35 between
1:36:35 then
1:36:35 and now
1:36:35 like
1:36:36 quite
1:36:36 a bit
1:36:36 already
1:36:37 too
1:36:37 so
1:36:38 we’ll
1:36:38 be
1:36:38 going
1:36:38 back
1:36:38 over
1:36:38 some
1:36:39 of
1:36:39 that
1:36:39 no
1:36:39 I
1:36:39 mean
1:36:40 modern
1:36:40 day
1:36:40 I
1:36:41 don’t
1:36:41 mean
1:36:41 this
1:36:41 week
1:36:43 a lot
1:36:43 of
1:36:44 stuff
1:36:46 will
1:36:47 happen
1:36:47 tomorrow
1:36:47 and
1:36:48 the
1:36:48 next
1:36:48 week
1:36:49 and
1:36:49 we
1:36:49 everyone
1:36:50 wants
1:36:50 to
1:36:50 know
1:36:51 what
1:36:52 is
1:36:52 going
1:36:52 to
1:36:52 happen
1:36:52 what
1:36:53 is
1:36:53 the
1:36:53 worst
1:36:53 case
1:36:53 what
1:36:54 is
1:36:54 the
1:36:54 best
1:36:54 case
1:36:55 should
1:36:55 we
1:36:55 be
1:36:55 freaking
1:36:56 out
1:36:56 what
1:36:56 do
1:36:56 we
1:36:56 need
1:36:56 to
1:36:57 understand
1:36:57 about
1:36:57 today
1:36:57 that’s
1:36:57 all
1:36:58 right
1:36:59 so
1:36:59 there’s
1:36:59 a lot
1:36:59 of
1:36:59 things
1:36:59 to
1:37:00 address
1:37:00 here
1:37:00 so
1:37:00 first
1:37:00 of
1:37:01 all
1:37:01 something
1:37:01 that
1:37:02 me
1:37:02 and
1:37:02 Mr.
1:37:03 Dubowitz
1:37:03 agree
1:37:03 about
1:37:04 Mark
1:37:05 something
1:37:05 that
1:37:05 Mark
1:37:06 and I
1:37:06 agree
1:37:06 about
1:37:07 is
1:37:08 that
1:37:09 there
1:37:09 actually
1:37:09 is
1:37:10 not
1:37:10 a
1:37:10 threat
1:37:11 of
1:37:11 an
1:37:12 aggressive
1:37:12 first
1:37:12 strike
1:37:13 by
1:37:13 Iran
1:37:14 I’m
1:37:14 a little
1:37:15 surprised
1:37:15 to hear
1:37:15 him
1:37:15 say
1:37:16 that
1:37:16 but
1:37:16 I’m
1:37:16 grateful
1:37:16 to
1:37:16 hear
1:37:16 him
1:37:17 say
1:37:17 it
1:37:17 is
1:37:17 honest
1:37:18 I
1:37:18 would
1:37:20 you
1:37:20 know
1:37:20 advise
1:37:21 you
1:37:21 for
1:37:22 you
1:37:22 may
1:37:22 be
1:37:22 unfamiliar
1:37:23 with
1:37:23 this
1:37:23 but
1:37:23 I
1:37:23 can
1:37:23 tell
1:37:24 you
1:37:25 anyone
1:37:25 in
1:37:25 America
1:37:25 who
1:37:26 drives
1:37:26 for
1:37:26 a
1:37:26 living
1:37:27 and
1:37:28 listens
1:37:28 to
1:37:28 AM
1:37:28 radio
1:37:29 have
1:37:30 heard
1:37:30 claims
1:37:30 that
1:37:31 Iran
1:37:31 was
1:37:31 making
1:37:32 nuclear
1:37:32 weapons
1:37:33 probably
1:37:34 50,000
1:37:34 times
1:37:35 in the
1:37:35 last
1:37:35 25
1:37:36 years
1:37:38 over
1:37:38 and
1:37:39 over
1:37:39 and
1:37:39 over
1:37:40 again
1:37:40 we
1:37:40 hear
1:37:40 this
1:37:41 propaganda
1:37:41 they
1:37:43 still
1:37:44 don’t
1:37:44 have
1:37:44 a
1:37:45 single
1:37:45 atom
1:37:45 bomb
1:37:46 the
1:37:46 reason
1:37:46 why
1:37:47 they
1:37:47 haven’t
1:37:47 been
1:37:47 able
1:37:47 to
1:37:48 cobbled
1:37:48 together
1:37:49 an
1:37:49 atom
1:37:49 bomb
1:37:50 in
1:37:50 this
1:37:51 1940s
1:37:51 technology
1:37:52 is
1:37:52 because
1:37:52 they
1:37:52 have
1:37:53 not
1:37:53 tried
1:37:53 to
1:37:54 okay
1:37:55 so
1:37:55 people
1:37:55 can
1:37:56 you know
1:37:56 just
1:37:57 essentially
1:37:57 flog
1:37:57 this
1:37:58 dead
1:37:58 horse
1:37:59 pretend
1:37:59 there’s
1:37:59 this
1:37:59 threat
1:38:00 oh
1:38:00 he’s
1:38:00 gonna
1:38:00 break
1:38:01 out
1:38:01 any
1:38:01 day
1:38:01 now
1:38:02 but
1:38:02 here’s
1:38:02 the
1:38:02 thing
1:38:02 about
1:38:03 that
1:38:03 as
1:38:03 the
1:38:04 Ayatollah
1:38:04 well
1:38:05 knows
1:38:06 George
1:38:07 W
1:38:07 Bush
1:38:08 Barack
1:38:08 Obama
1:38:09 Donald
1:38:09 Trump
1:38:10 Joe
1:38:10 Biden
1:38:11 and
1:38:11 now
1:38:11 Trump
1:38:11 again
1:38:12 have
1:38:12 all
1:38:13 vowed
1:38:13 with
1:38:14 all
1:38:14 sincerity
1:38:15 that
1:38:15 they
1:38:16 would
1:38:16 bomb
1:38:17 Iran
1:38:17 off
1:38:17 the
1:38:18 face
1:38:18 of
1:38:18 the
1:38:18 earth
1:38:19 if
1:38:20 they
1:38:20 attempted
1:38:21 to
1:38:21 break
1:38:22 out
1:38:22 and
1:38:22 make
1:38:22 a
1:38:23 nuclear
1:38:23 weapon
1:38:24 Hillary
1:38:24 Clinton
1:38:24 when she
1:38:24 ran
1:38:24 said
1:38:25 they’d
1:38:25 be
1:38:26 obliterated
1:38:26 from
1:38:26 the
1:38:26 face
1:38:26 of
1:38:26 the
1:38:27 earth
1:38:27 Barack
1:38:27 Obama
1:38:28 did
1:38:28 an
1:38:28 interview
1:38:28 with
1:38:29 Jeffrey
1:38:29 Goldberg
1:38:29 in
1:38:29 the
1:38:30 Atlantic
1:38:30 in
1:38:31 2012
1:38:31 called
1:38:32 as
1:38:32 president
1:38:33 I
1:38:33 don’t
1:38:34 bluff
1:38:34 and
1:38:34 essentially
1:38:35 the
1:38:35 interview
1:38:35 is
1:38:35 him
1:38:36 begging
1:38:36 Jeffrey
1:38:37 Goldberg
1:38:37 to
1:38:38 explain
1:38:38 to
1:38:38 the
1:38:38 Israelis
1:38:39 that
1:38:39 he
1:38:44 out
1:38:45 for
1:38:45 a
1:38:45 nuke
1:38:45 I’ll
1:38:46 nuke
1:38:46 him
1:38:46 if
1:38:46 I
1:38:47 have
1:38:47 to
1:38:48 he
1:38:48 didn’t
1:38:48 say
1:38:48 that
1:38:49 but
1:38:49 the
1:38:49 implication
1:38:49 was
1:38:50 no
1:38:50 US
1:38:51 president
1:38:51 ever
1:38:51 said
1:38:51 they’re
1:38:51 going
1:38:52 obliterate
1:38:52 Iran
1:38:53 Hillary
1:38:54 Clinton
1:38:54 did
1:38:55 all options
1:38:55 are on
1:38:55 the
1:38:55 table
1:38:56 anyone
1:38:56 can
1:38:56 google
1:38:57 her
1:38:57 word
1:38:57 she was
1:38:58 never
1:38:58 our
1:38:58 president
1:38:58 no I said
1:38:59 she was running
1:38:59 for president
1:39:00 but she was
1:39:00 never
1:39:00 our
1:39:00 president
1:39:01 but no
1:39:01 US
1:39:01 president
1:39:01 ever
1:39:01 said
1:39:02 they’d
1:39:02 obliterate
1:39:02 Iran
1:39:03 nobody
1:39:03 ever
1:39:03 said
1:39:03 the
1:39:04 implication
1:39:05 was
1:39:06 clear
1:39:06 under
1:39:07 W.
1:39:07 Bush
1:39:07 Barack
1:39:08 Obama
1:39:08 Trump
1:39:09 Biden
1:39:09 and
1:39:09 Trump
1:39:10 again
1:39:10 that
1:39:10 if
1:39:12 they broke
1:39:12 out
1:39:13 toward
1:39:13 a
1:39:13 nuclear
1:39:14 weapon
1:39:14 America
1:39:15 would
1:39:15 do
1:39:16 whatever
1:39:16 it
1:39:16 took
1:39:17 to
1:39:17 prevent
1:39:18 that
1:39:18 from
1:39:18 happening
1:39:19 so
1:39:19 that
1:39:21 was
1:39:21 always
1:39:21 the
1:39:22 case
1:39:22 there
1:39:22 but
1:39:23 please
1:39:23 clarify
1:39:23 just to
1:39:23 be
1:39:24 accurate
1:39:24 and
1:39:24 I’m
1:39:24 almost
1:39:25 talking
1:39:25 about
1:39:26 nuking
1:39:26 Iran
1:39:26 no one’s
1:39:27 talking
1:39:27 about
1:39:28 bombing
1:39:28 Iran
1:39:28 to
1:39:29 smithereens
1:39:29 or
1:39:30 obliterating
1:39:30 or any
1:39:30 that
1:39:31 that’s
1:39:31 really
1:39:31 not
1:39:31 true
1:39:32 I mean
1:39:32 Barack
1:39:32 Obama
1:39:33 changed
1:39:34 America’s
1:39:34 nuclear
1:39:34 posture
1:39:35 to
1:39:35 say
1:39:36 because
1:39:36 it
1:39:36 used
1:39:36 to
1:39:36 say
1:39:36 we
1:39:37 reserve
1:39:37 the
1:39:37 right
1:39:37 to
1:39:37 use
1:39:37 a
1:39:38 nuclear
1:39:38 first
1:39:38 strike
1:39:38 against
1:39:39 any
1:39:39 country
1:39:40 and
1:39:40 he
1:39:40 changed
1:39:40 that
1:39:41 to
1:39:41 say
1:39:41 no
1:39:42 we
1:39:42 promise
1:39:43 not
1:39:43 to
1:39:43 use
1:39:43 a
1:39:44 nuclear
1:39:44 first
1:39:44 strike
1:39:45 against
1:39:45 any
1:39:45 non-nuclear
1:39:46 weapon
1:39:46 state
1:39:47 except
1:39:47 maybe
1:39:48 Iran
1:39:49 okay
1:39:50 that’s
1:39:50 true
1:39:51 all right
1:39:51 and so
1:39:52 in fact
1:39:53 that was
1:39:53 the
1:39:53 threat
1:39:54 and
1:39:54 I
1:39:54 got
1:39:55 more
1:39:55 here
1:39:55 okay
1:39:57 Netanyahu
1:39:57 also
1:39:57 did
1:39:58 an
1:39:58 interview
1:39:58 with
1:39:58 Jeffrey
1:39:59 Goldberg
1:39:59 back
1:40:00 when
1:40:00 Ehud
1:40:00 Barak
1:40:01 was
1:40:01 his
1:40:01 defense
1:40:02 minister
1:40:03 in
1:40:04 I think
1:40:04 this is
1:40:04 also
1:40:05 2012
1:40:05 it might
1:40:05 have been
1:40:06 2014
1:40:07 where the
1:40:07 two of
1:40:07 them
1:40:08 explained
1:40:08 that they
1:40:09 agreed
1:40:09 with what
1:40:09 he said
1:40:10 too
1:40:10 that
1:40:11 the threat
1:40:11 is not
1:40:11 of a
1:40:11 nuclear
1:40:12 first
1:40:12 strike
1:40:13 unlike
1:40:14 every
1:40:15 AM radio
1:40:15 audience
1:40:16 has been
1:40:16 led to
1:40:17 believe
1:40:17 that the
1:40:17 Ayatollah
1:40:18 as soon
1:40:18 as he
1:40:18 gets an
1:40:19 atom bomb
1:40:20 he will
1:40:20 nuke
1:40:21 Tel Aviv
1:40:21 and he
1:40:22 doesn’t care
1:40:22 if all
1:40:22 of Persia
1:40:23 is nuked
1:40:23 by Israel’s
1:40:24 200 nukes
1:40:25 in response
1:40:25 he’s trying
1:40:26 to cause
1:40:26 the end
1:40:26 of the
1:40:27 world
1:40:28 by causing
1:40:28 a nuclear
1:40:29 war
1:40:29 and all
1:40:29 these
1:40:29 things
1:40:30 well
1:40:30 Netanyahu
1:40:31 himself
1:40:31 admitted
1:40:32 that that’s
1:40:32 not true
1:40:34 I’m just
1:40:35 agreeing with
1:40:35 you so you
1:40:35 don’t have
1:40:36 to stop
1:40:36 but I’m
1:40:36 agreeing
1:40:36 with
1:40:36 you
1:40:37 I know
1:40:37 but I’m
1:40:37 agreeing
1:40:38 with
1:40:38 you
1:40:38 so it’s
1:40:38 all right
1:40:39 so Netanyahu
1:40:41 told Jeffrey
1:40:41 Goldberg
1:40:43 that he was
1:40:44 not concerned
1:40:44 about a
1:40:45 first strike
1:40:46 that his
1:40:46 only concern
1:40:47 was that
1:40:48 talented young
1:40:48 Israelis
1:40:49 would move
1:40:49 to Miami
1:40:50 that there
1:40:50 would be
1:40:51 a brain
1:40:51 drain
1:40:53 that was
1:40:53 his words
1:40:54 a brain
1:40:54 drain
1:40:55 from Israel
1:40:56 and that
1:40:57 also then
1:40:57 Hezbollah
1:40:58 as this is
1:40:58 what he put
1:40:59 it and I
1:40:59 agree with
1:40:59 this that
1:41:00 conventional
1:41:01 forces would
1:41:01 have a bit
1:41:02 more freedom
1:41:02 of action
1:41:03 in the region
1:41:04 if Iran
1:41:04 was sitting
1:41:05 on an
1:41:05 A-bomb
1:41:06 neither
1:41:07 of them
1:41:07 said
1:41:08 that there
1:41:09 was a
1:41:09 threat
1:41:09 of an
1:41:09 offensive
1:41:10 first strike
1:41:11 against Israel
1:41:11 and I would
1:41:12 point out
1:41:12 and I’m
1:41:13 skipping ahead
1:41:13 to Trump
1:41:13 but I’m
1:41:14 skipping back
1:41:14 here again
1:41:15 in a second
1:41:15 because I got
1:41:17 more things
1:41:17 to refute
1:41:18 but Trump
1:41:18 just said
1:41:19 the other
1:41:19 day when he
1:41:19 announced
1:41:20 American
1:41:20 airstrikes
1:41:21 there
1:41:21 that this
1:41:22 has
1:41:22 neutralized
1:41:23 a threat
1:41:23 to Israel
1:41:24 he did
1:41:24 not even
1:41:25 pretend
1:41:25 that it
1:41:25 was a
1:41:25 threat
1:41:26 to the
1:41:26 United
1:41:26 States
1:41:27 that he
1:41:27 had
1:41:27 ended
1:41:28 in doing
1:41:28 so
1:41:28 actually
1:41:28 he said
1:41:29 exactly
1:41:29 that
1:41:30 well
1:41:31 actually
1:41:31 you can
1:41:31 google
1:41:32 the state
1:41:38 he announced
1:41:39 his great
1:41:39 victory
1:41:40 in bombing
1:41:41 which is
1:41:41 what I
1:41:41 just said
1:41:42 right
1:41:42 President
1:41:43 Trump
1:41:43 sends out
1:41:44 20 truth
1:41:44 posts a
1:41:45 day
1:41:45 so let’s
1:41:46 look at
1:41:47 the many
1:41:47 many
1:41:48 things
1:41:48 things
1:41:48 about
1:41:48 how
1:41:49 I
1:41:49 always
1:41:50 believe
1:41:50 Hezbollah
1:41:51 and I
1:41:52 always
1:41:52 believe
1:41:53 the
1:41:53 Ayatollah
1:41:54 when in
1:41:54 fact
1:41:54 I
1:41:55 did
1:41:55 not
1:41:55 quote
1:41:55 the
1:41:56 Ayatollah
1:41:56 and I
1:41:57 did
1:41:57 not
1:41:57 quote
1:41:58 Hezbollah
1:41:58 on anything
1:41:59 I did
1:41:59 quote
1:42:00 Osama
1:42:00 bin Laden
1:42:01 taking
1:42:02 responsibility
1:42:03 for the
1:42:03 Gopar
1:42:04 Towers
1:42:04 attack
1:42:05 which
1:42:05 he
1:42:06 shared
1:42:06 that
1:42:07 with
1:42:07 Abdelbari
1:42:08 Atwan
1:42:08 anyone
1:42:08 can
1:42:08 read
1:42:09 it
1:42:09 and
1:42:09 he
1:42:10 agrees
1:42:10 with
1:42:10 Michael
1:42:10 Scheuer
1:42:11 the
1:42:11 former
1:42:11 chief
1:42:11 of
1:42:11 the
1:42:11 CIA
1:42:12 bin
1:42:12 Laden
1:42:12 unit
1:42:13 who
1:42:13 also
1:42:18 who
1:42:18 did
1:42:18 they
1:42:19 attack
1:42:19 they
1:42:19 killed
1:42:20 19
1:42:21 American
1:42:21 airmen
1:42:22 which
1:42:22 was
1:42:22 the
1:42:22 number
1:42:23 one
1:42:24 complaint
1:42:24 of
1:42:25 Al-Qaeda
1:42:25 against
1:42:25 the
1:42:26 United
1:42:26 States
1:42:26 that
1:42:27 we
1:42:27 had
1:42:28 air
1:42:28 forces
1:42:29 and
1:42:29 armies
1:42:30 stationed
1:42:30 in
1:42:30 Saudi
1:42:30 Arabia
1:42:31 in
1:42:31 order
1:42:31 to
1:42:31 bomb
1:42:31 and
1:42:32 blockade
1:42:32 Iraq
1:42:33 which
1:42:33 again
1:42:33 this
1:42:33 was
1:42:34 the
1:42:34 thing
1:42:34 you
1:42:34 had
1:42:34 asked
1:42:34 about
1:42:35 before
1:42:35 was
1:42:35 part
1:42:36 of
1:42:36 the
1:42:36 dual
1:42:36 containment
1:42:37 policy
1:42:37 in
1:42:38 the
1:42:38 1990
1:42:38 Scott
1:42:39 you’re
1:42:39 saying
1:42:39 damn
1:42:40 wait a second
1:42:41 the fact
1:42:42 you’re
1:42:42 sitting
1:42:42 here
1:42:42 saying
1:42:51 don’t
1:42:51 trust
1:42:52 but
1:42:52 be
1:42:53 polite
1:42:53 right
1:42:54 that’s
1:42:54 what
1:42:54 he
1:42:54 meant
1:42:55 verify
1:42:55 means
1:42:56 we
1:42:56 we
1:42:57 know
1:42:57 with
1:42:57 sensors
1:42:58 and
1:42:58 cameras
1:42:58 and
1:42:59 inspections
1:42:59 what’s
1:42:59 going
1:43:00 on
1:43:00 no
1:43:00 one
1:43:01 can
1:43:01 find
1:43:01 a
1:43:02 quote
1:43:02 that
1:43:02 I
1:43:02 said
1:43:02 here
1:43:03 about
1:43:03 how
1:43:03 we
1:43:03 can
1:43:04 trust
1:43:04 the
1:43:05 Ayatollah
1:43:05 because
1:43:05 he
1:43:06 promised
1:43:06 this
1:43:06 or
1:43:06 that
1:43:06 or
1:43:07 the
1:43:07 other
1:43:07 thing
1:43:07 I
1:43:08 didn’t
1:43:08 say
1:43:08 that
1:43:09 right
1:43:09 what
1:43:09 I’m
1:43:10 talking
1:43:10 about
1:43:10 is
1:43:11 the
1:43:11 process
1:43:12 they
1:43:12 sign
1:43:12 agreements
1:43:13 and
1:43:13 then
1:43:13 we
1:43:13 have
1:43:14 inspectors
1:43:14 to
1:43:14 verify
1:43:14 their
1:43:15 claims
1:43:15 and
1:43:15 as
1:43:16 anyone
1:43:16 can
1:43:16 search
1:43:16 at
1:43:17 IAEA.org
1:43:18 they
1:43:18 have
1:43:18 continued
1:43:19 to
1:43:19 verify
1:43:19 the
1:43:20 non-diversion
1:43:21 of
1:43:21 nuclear
1:43:21 material
1:43:21 in
1:43:22 Iran
1:43:22 to
1:43:22 any
1:43:23 military
1:43:23 or
1:43:23 other
1:43:23 special
1:43:24 IAEA
1:43:24 has
1:43:24 now
1:43:24 said
1:43:25 that
1:43:25 they
1:43:25 actually
1:43:25 can
1:43:25 no
1:43:26 longer
1:43:26 do
1:43:26 this
1:43:27 before
1:43:29 this
1:43:29 war
1:43:30 started
1:43:30 so
1:43:30 I
1:43:30 mean
1:43:30 at
1:43:30 the
1:43:31 end
1:43:31 of
1:43:31 the
1:43:31 day
1:43:31 let’s
1:43:31 just
1:43:31 be
1:43:33 factually
1:43:33 accurate
1:43:34 and
1:43:34 the
1:43:34 fact
1:43:34 of
1:43:34 the
1:43:34 matter
1:43:35 is
1:43:35 anybody
1:43:35 who
1:43:35 knows
1:43:36 anything
1:43:36 about
1:43:36 nuclear
1:43:37 weapons
1:43:37 program
1:43:38 knows
1:43:38 that
1:43:38 we
1:43:38 do
1:43:38 not
1:43:39 have
1:43:39 100%
1:43:40 certainty
1:43:40 on
1:43:40 anything
1:43:40 I
1:43:41 mean
1:43:41 Scott
1:43:41 is
1:43:42 making
1:43:42 claims
1:43:42 here
1:43:43 that
1:43:43 the
1:43:44 Mossad
1:43:44 is
1:43:44 fabricating
1:43:45 the CIA
1:43:45 is
1:43:45 fabricating
1:43:46 everybody’s
1:43:46 fabricating
1:43:47 but he’s
1:43:47 also
1:43:47 assuming
1:43:48 that
1:43:48 we
1:43:48 have
1:43:48 100%
1:43:49 certainty
1:43:49 about
1:43:49 what
1:43:50 Iran
1:43:50 is
1:43:50 doing
1:43:51 inside
1:43:51 a
1:43:51 country
1:43:52 more
1:43:52 than
1:43:52 two
1:43:52 and
1:43:52 a
1:43:52 half
1:43:53 times
1:43:53 the
1:43:53 size
1:43:53 of
1:43:53 Texas
1:43:54 as
1:43:55 Scott
1:43:55 rightly
1:43:56 said
1:43:56 mountainous
1:43:57 incredibly
1:43:57 difficult
1:43:58 to
1:43:58 monitor
1:43:59 incredibly
1:43:59 difficult
1:43:59 to
1:44:00 surveil
1:44:00 they
1:44:01 built
1:44:01 underground
1:44:02 facilities
1:44:02 at
1:44:02 Natanz
1:44:03 and
1:44:03 Fordow
1:44:04 without
1:44:04 our
1:44:04 knowledge
1:44:05 they
1:44:05 didn’t
1:44:05 disclose
1:44:06 it
1:44:06 we
1:44:06 finally
1:44:07 found
1:44:07 out
1:44:07 about
1:44:07 it
1:44:10 the
1:44:10 fact
1:44:10 of
1:44:10 the
1:44:12 facilities
1:44:12 are
1:44:12 there
1:44:12 and
1:44:13 by
1:44:13 the
1:44:13 way
1:44:13 you
1:44:13 keep
1:44:13 saying
1:44:14 that
1:44:14 I
1:44:14 just
1:44:14 say
1:44:14 lies
1:44:15 lies
1:44:15 lies
1:44:15 but
1:44:15 I
1:44:16 have
1:44:16 explained
1:44:17 exactly
1:44:17 what
1:44:17 I
1:44:17 meant
1:44:18 I’ve
1:44:18 cited
1:44:18 my
1:44:19 sources
1:44:19 and
1:44:19 I
1:44:20 haven’t
1:44:20 just
1:44:20 sat
1:44:21 here
1:44:21 and
1:44:22 that’s
1:44:22 a
1:44:27 exactly
1:44:28 how
1:44:28 I
1:44:28 know
1:44:28 what
1:44:28 the
1:44:29 IAEA
1:44:29 said
1:44:30 about
1:44:30 the
1:44:31 state
1:44:31 of
1:44:31 inspections
1:44:32 here
1:44:32 or
1:44:32 what
1:44:33 Robert
1:44:34 Kelly
1:44:34 told
1:44:34 the
1:44:34 Christian
1:44:35 science
1:44:35 monitor
1:44:35 about
1:44:36 Parchin
1:44:36 and the
1:44:36 rest
1:44:37 and on
1:44:37 and on
1:44:38 and on
1:44:38 you know
1:44:38 I sit
1:44:38 here
1:44:39 like I’m
1:44:39 just
1:44:40 saying
1:44:40 well that’s
1:44:41 not true
1:44:41 because I
1:44:42 don’t like
1:44:42 it
1:44:42 when in
1:44:42 fact
1:44:42 I’m
1:44:43 explaining
1:44:43 exactly
1:44:44 why
1:44:44 your
1:44:44 claims
1:44:45 are not
1:44:45 true
1:44:45 which
1:44:46 they’re
1:44:46 not
1:44:47 just
1:44:47 like
1:44:47 saying
1:44:48 that
1:44:48 I
1:44:48 said
1:44:49 I
1:44:49 trust
1:44:50 Hezbollah
1:44:50 when
1:44:50 anyone
1:44:51 can
1:44:51 rewind
1:44:51 that
1:44:51 and
1:44:52 break
1:44:53 their
1:44:53 finger
1:44:53 trying
1:44:53 to
1:44:53 find
1:44:54 the
1:44:54 part
1:44:54 where
1:44:54 I
1:44:54 said
1:44:54 that
1:44:55 because
1:44:55 I
1:44:55 never
1:44:55 did
1:44:56 and
1:44:57 now
1:44:58 you
1:44:58 brought
1:44:58 up
1:44:59 the
1:45:00 DPRK
1:45:00 well
1:45:02 in
1:45:03 2002
1:45:03 when
1:45:04 George W.
1:45:04 Bush
1:45:05 said
1:45:05 that
1:45:05 they
1:45:05 were
1:45:05 part
1:45:05 of
1:45:05 the
1:45:05 axis
1:45:06 of
1:45:06 evil
1:45:06 they
1:45:06 were
1:45:07 part
1:45:07 of
1:45:07 the
1:45:07 NPT
1:45:08 and
1:45:08 they
1:45:08 had
1:45:08 a
1:45:09 safeguards
1:45:09 agreement
1:45:09 with
1:45:09 the
1:45:10 IAEA
1:45:11 and
1:45:12 yes
1:45:12 they
1:45:12 had
1:45:12 bought
1:45:13 centrifuge
1:45:13 equipment
1:45:13 from
1:45:14 AQ
1:45:14 Con
1:45:14 but
1:45:14 they
1:45:15 had
1:45:15 not
1:45:15 used
1:45:15 it
1:45:16 it
1:45:16 was
1:45:16 John
1:45:16 Bolton’s
1:45:17 lie
1:45:17 that
1:45:17 they
1:45:18 were
1:45:18 enriching
1:45:18 uranium
1:45:19 to
1:45:19 weapons
1:45:19 grade
1:45:19 and
1:45:20 violating
1:45:20 the
1:45:21 agreed
1:45:21 framework
1:45:22 John
1:45:22 Bolton
1:45:22 and
1:45:23 George W.
1:45:23 Bush
1:45:24 in the fall
1:45:24 of
1:45:24 2002
1:45:24 then
1:45:25 canceled
1:45:25 the
1:45:25 agreed
1:45:26 framework
1:45:26 deal
1:45:26 that
1:45:26 Bill
1:45:27 Clinton
1:45:27 had
1:45:27 struck
1:45:28 based
1:45:28 on
1:45:28 this
1:45:29 misinformation
1:45:30 they
1:45:30 added
1:45:30 new
1:45:31 sanctions
1:45:32 and
1:45:32 they
1:45:32 launched
1:45:32 what
1:45:32 was
1:45:33 called
1:45:33 the
1:45:33 proliferation
1:45:34 security
1:45:34 initiative
1:45:35 which
1:45:35 was
1:45:35 an
1:45:35 illegal
1:45:36 and
1:45:36 unilateral
1:45:37 claim
1:45:37 of the
1:45:38 authority
1:45:38 to
1:45:38 seize
1:45:38 any
1:45:39 North
1:45:39 Korean
1:45:39 ship
1:45:39 on
1:45:39 the
1:45:40 high
1:45:40 seas
1:45:40 if
1:45:40 they
1:45:41 suspected
1:45:41 of
1:45:42 proliferation
1:45:42 and
1:45:42 then
1:45:43 they
1:45:43 added
1:45:43 them
1:45:44 to
1:45:44 the
1:45:44 nuclear
1:45:45 posture
1:45:45 review
1:45:46 putting
1:45:46 them
1:45:46 on
1:45:46 the
1:45:46 short
1:45:47 list
1:45:47 for
1:45:47 a
1:45:47 potential
1:45:48 first
1:45:48 strike
1:45:48 and
1:45:48 it
1:45:49 was
1:45:49 only
1:45:49 then
1:45:50 in
1:45:51 the
1:45:51 end
1:45:51 of
1:45:52 2002
1:45:52 after
1:45:52 these
1:45:53 four or
1:45:53 five
1:45:54 major
1:45:54 things
1:45:54 that
1:45:54 the
1:45:54 Bush
1:45:55 government
1:45:55 did
1:45:56 to
1:45:56 antagonize
1:45:56 them
1:45:57 that
1:45:57 North
1:45:58 Korea
1:45:58 then
1:45:58 announced
1:45:59 that
1:45:59 they
1:45:59 were
1:45:59 going
1:45:59 to
1:45:59 withdraw
1:46:00 from
1:46:00 the
1:46:00 treaty
1:46:01 and
1:46:01 begin
1:46:01 making
1:46:02 nuclear
1:46:02 weapons
1:46:02 which
1:46:02 is
1:46:02 what
1:46:03 they
1:46:03 did
1:46:03 and
1:46:03 then
1:46:04 as
1:46:04 we
1:46:04 know
1:46:05 from
1:46:05 all
1:46:05 the
1:46:05 scientists
1:46:05 say
1:46:06 every
1:46:06 time
1:46:06 that
1:46:06 they
1:46:07 tested
1:46:07 a
1:46:07 nuclear
1:46:08 bomb
1:46:08 it’s
1:46:08 been
1:46:08 a
1:46:09 plutonium
1:46:09 bomb
1:46:10 and
1:46:10 never
1:46:10 tested
1:46:11 not
1:46:11 never
1:46:11 once
1:46:12 used
1:46:12 a
1:46:12 uranium
1:46:13 bomb
1:46:13 there’s
1:46:13 no
1:46:14 evidence
1:46:14 that
1:46:14 John
1:46:15 Bolton’s
1:46:15 claims
1:46:16 there
1:46:16 that
1:46:16 they
1:46:16 were
1:46:16 enriching
1:46:17 uranium
1:46:17 were
1:46:17 ever
1:46:17 true
1:46:18 and
1:46:18 they
1:46:18 had
1:46:19 you
1:46:19 know
1:46:19 Sig
1:46:19 Hecker
1:46:20 who’s
1:46:20 this
1:46:21 important
1:46:21 American
1:46:21 nuclear
1:46:22 expert
1:46:22 went
1:46:22 and
1:46:22 toured
1:46:22 their
1:46:23 facilities
1:46:24 and
1:46:24 all
1:46:24 of
1:46:24 these
1:46:24 things
1:46:24 and
1:46:24 so
1:46:25 we
1:46:25 know
1:46:26 quite
1:46:26 a bit
1:46:26 about
1:46:26 what
1:46:27 they
1:46:27 have
1:46:27 and
1:46:27 it
1:46:28 was
1:46:29 simply
1:46:29 Bush
1:46:30 pushed
1:46:30 North
1:46:31 Korea
1:46:31 to
1:46:31 nukes
1:46:31 as
1:46:32 Gordon
1:46:32 Prather
1:46:32 wrote
1:46:33 in
1:46:33 his
1:46:33 last
1:46:33 great
1:46:34 article
1:46:34 for
1:46:34 us
1:46:35 at
1:46:36 antiwar.com
1:46:36 and
1:46:36 it
1:46:36 was
1:46:36 through
1:46:37 this
1:46:37 exact
1:46:37 kind
1:46:37 of
1:46:38 belligerence
1:46:38 when
1:46:38 we
1:46:39 already
1:46:39 had
1:46:39 a
1:46:39 deal
1:46:40 that
1:46:40 we
1:46:40 could
1:46:41 have
1:46:42 in
1:46:43 your
1:46:44 analysis
1:46:50 constant
1:46:51 theme
1:46:51 is
1:46:51 the
1:46:52 United
1:46:52 States
1:46:53 and
1:46:53 Israel
1:46:54 and
1:46:54 the
1:46:55 West
1:46:55 we
1:46:56 constantly
1:46:57 aggress
1:46:57 against
1:46:58 North
1:46:58 Korea
1:46:59 against
1:47:00 Iran
1:47:00 against
1:47:01 Russia
1:47:02 against
1:47:02 these
1:47:03 countries
1:47:03 and
1:47:04 they
1:47:04 respond
1:47:04 to
1:47:05 us
1:47:07 in
1:47:07 ways
1:47:08 that
1:47:09 they
1:47:10 build
1:47:11 nuclear
1:47:11 weapons
1:47:12 programs
1:47:12 that
1:47:12 are
1:47:13 peaceful
1:47:13 but
1:47:13 we
1:47:14 force
1:47:14 them
1:47:15 to
1:47:15 develop
1:47:16 nuclear
1:47:16 weapons
1:47:17 they
1:47:17 don’t
1:47:17 actually
1:47:18 mean
1:47:18 to
1:47:18 kill
1:47:19 us
1:47:19 it’s
1:47:19 not
1:47:20 right
1:47:22 that
1:47:22 you’re
1:47:23 saying
1:47:23 that
1:47:23 everything
1:47:23 I
1:47:24 say
1:47:24 is
1:47:24 that
1:47:24 everyone
1:47:25 anyone
1:47:25 else
1:47:25 does
1:47:25 is
1:47:26 a
1:47:26 reaction
1:47:26 but
1:47:26 that’s
1:47:26 not
1:47:26 true
1:47:27 the
1:47:27 subject
1:47:28 here
1:47:28 is
1:47:29 what
1:47:29 has
1:47:29 America
1:47:30 done
1:47:31 to
1:47:31 make
1:47:31 things
1:47:32 worse
1:47:32 rather
1:47:32 than
1:47:33 better
1:47:33 I’m
1:47:34 citing
1:47:35 provocations
1:47:36 that
1:47:36 doesn’t
1:47:36 mean
1:47:36 I’m
1:47:37 saying
1:47:37 that
1:47:37 everything
1:47:38 that
1:47:38 happens
1:47:38 in
1:47:38 the
1:47:39 world
1:47:39 is
1:47:39 only
1:47:40 an
1:47:40 equal
1:47:40 and
1:47:40 opposite
1:47:41 reaction
1:47:41 to
1:47:41 an
1:47:42 American
1:47:42 provocation
1:47:43 and
1:47:43 you
1:47:43 can’t
1:47:43 find
1:47:43 me
1:47:44 saying
1:47:44 that
1:47:44 you
1:47:44 can
1:47:45 somehow
1:47:45 try to
1:47:46 paraphrase
1:47:46 me
1:47:47 claiming
1:47:47 that
1:47:48 somehow
1:47:48 or
1:47:48 something
1:47:48 like
1:47:48 that
1:47:49 but
1:47:49 that’s
1:47:49 what’s
1:47:49 at
1:47:50 issue
1:47:50 right
1:47:51 is
1:47:51 as I
1:47:51 said
1:47:52 for
1:47:52 example
1:47:52 there’s
1:47:53 the
1:47:53 Reuters
1:47:53 story
1:47:53 that
1:47:54 says
1:47:54 that
1:47:54 after
1:47:54 Israel
1:47:55 did
1:47:55 the
1:47:55 sabotage
1:47:56 which
1:47:56 bragged
1:47:56 about
1:47:56 at
1:47:57 Natanz
1:47:57 in
1:47:58 April
1:47:58 of
1:47:58 21
1:47:59 that
1:47:59 was
1:47:59 when
1:47:59 they
1:48:00 started
1:48:00 enriching
1:48:00 up
1:48:01 to
1:48:01 60
1:48:01 percent
1:48:02 okay
1:48:02 so
1:48:02 now
1:48:03 I’m
1:48:03 saying
1:48:03 that
1:48:03 and
1:48:03 I’m
1:48:04 just
1:48:04 denying
1:48:04 the
1:48:05 agency
1:48:05 of
1:48:05 the
1:48:06 Iranians
1:48:06 or
1:48:06 anything
1:48:06 I said
1:48:07 that
1:48:07 no
1:48:07 I’m
1:48:07 not
1:48:07 I’m
1:48:07 just
1:48:08 citing
1:48:08 the
1:48:08 Reuters
1:48:08 news
1:48:09 agency
1:48:10 saying
1:48:10 that
1:48:11 this
1:48:12 proactive
1:48:13 action
1:48:13 by
1:48:14 Israel
1:48:15 caused
1:48:15 a
1:48:15 negative
1:48:16 reaction
1:48:16 by
1:48:16 your
1:48:16 own
1:48:17 lights
1:48:17 a
1:48:17 very
1:48:18 negative
1:48:18 reaction
1:48:19 in
1:48:19 their
1:48:20 beginning
1:48:20 to
1:48:26 no
1:48:26 one
1:48:26 ever
1:48:27 does
1:48:27 anything
1:48:28 except
1:48:28 in
1:48:28 reaction
1:48:28 to
1:48:29 Israel
1:48:29 and
1:48:30 America
1:48:30 except
1:48:30 that
1:48:30 I’m
1:48:31 just
1:48:31 citing
1:48:32 specific
1:48:32 examples
1:48:33 of
1:48:33 where
1:48:33 that’s
1:48:33 exactly
1:48:34 the
1:48:34 case
1:48:34 Donald
1:48:35 Trump
1:48:35 withdrew
1:48:35 from
1:48:35 the
1:48:36 deal
1:48:36 he
1:48:36 could
1:48:36 have
1:48:36 stayed
1:48:36 in
1:48:37 the
1:48:37 deal
1:48:37 and
1:48:37 tried
1:48:37 hard
1:48:37 to
1:48:38 make
1:48:38 it
1:48:38 better
1:48:38 he
1:48:39 didn’t
1:48:39 well
1:48:39 he
1:48:40 has
1:48:40 done
1:48:41 America
1:48:41 he
1:48:41 did
1:48:42 try
1:48:42 US
1:48:42 government
1:48:43 has
1:48:43 made
1:48:44 numerous
1:48:45 mistakes
1:48:45 if
1:48:45 this
1:48:45 podcast
1:48:46 is
1:48:46 all
1:48:46 about
1:48:47 American
1:48:47 government
1:48:48 and
1:48:48 mistakes
1:48:48 that’s
1:48:48 made
1:48:49 it’s
1:48:49 a
1:48:49 huge
1:48:49 then
1:48:49 we
1:48:50 can
1:48:50 spend
1:48:50 four
1:48:50 hours
1:48:50 on
1:48:51 it
1:48:51 can
1:48:51 we
1:48:52 please
1:48:53 get
1:48:53 to
1:48:53 today
1:48:55 talk
1:48:55 about
1:48:55 use
1:48:56 everything
1:48:56 we
1:48:56 just
1:48:56 talked
1:48:56 about
1:48:57 and
1:48:57 talk
1:48:57 about
1:48:58 today
1:48:59 what
1:48:59 is
1:49:00 maybe
1:49:00 Mark
1:49:00 can
1:49:01 you
1:49:01 lay out
1:49:01 what
1:49:01 is
1:49:01 the
1:49:02 best
1:49:02 case
1:49:02 and
1:49:02 worst
1:49:02 case
1:49:05 that
1:49:05 can
1:49:06 happen
1:49:06 now
1:49:06 so
1:49:07 Lex
1:49:07 I
1:49:07 think
1:49:07 the
1:49:07 best
1:49:08 case
1:49:08 and
1:49:08 something
1:49:09 I’ve
1:49:09 advocated
1:49:10 for
1:49:10 I’ve
1:49:10 been
1:49:10 working
1:49:10 on
1:49:11 this
1:49:11 for
1:49:11 22
1:49:12 years
1:49:13 is
1:49:13 that
1:49:13 the
1:49:13 Iranians
1:49:14 return
1:49:14 to
1:49:15 negotiations
1:49:15 at
1:49:15 Oman
1:49:17 sit
1:49:17 down
1:49:17 with
1:49:17 the
1:49:17 United
1:49:18 States
1:49:18 and
1:49:19 conclude
1:49:19 an
1:49:19 agreement
1:49:20 that
1:49:21 peacefully
1:49:21 and
1:49:22 permanently
1:49:22 and
1:49:22 fully
1:49:23 dismantles
1:49:23 their
1:49:24 nuclear
1:49:24 program
1:49:25 they
1:49:25 agree
1:49:26 to
1:49:26 that
1:49:26 which
1:49:26 means
1:49:27 they
1:49:27 shut
1:49:28 down
1:49:28 any
1:49:28 remaining
1:49:29 facilities
1:49:29 they
1:49:30 give
1:49:30 up
1:49:30 all
1:49:30 the
1:49:31 remaining
1:49:31 centrifuges
1:49:32 and
1:49:32 enriched
1:49:32 material
1:49:32 that
1:49:33 they
1:49:33 could
1:49:33 use
1:49:33 to
1:49:33 develop
1:49:34 nuclear
1:49:34 weapons
1:49:35 they
1:49:35 let
1:49:35 the
1:49:36 IAEA
1:49:36 in
1:49:37 in
1:49:37 order
1:49:37 to
1:49:38 supervise
1:49:39 this
1:49:39 they
1:49:41 actually
1:49:41 commit
1:49:42 to
1:49:42 not
1:49:43 rebuilding
1:49:43 this
1:49:43 nuclear
1:49:44 program
1:49:45 and
1:49:45 we
1:49:45 commit
1:49:46 as
1:49:46 we’ve
1:49:46 done
1:49:47 with
1:49:47 23
1:49:47 other
1:49:48 countries
1:49:48 to
1:49:49 helping
1:49:49 them
1:49:50 provide
1:49:51 civilian
1:49:51 nuclear
1:49:52 energy
1:49:52 because
1:49:52 it
1:49:53 seems
1:49:53 to
1:49:53 me
1:49:54 a
1:49:54 little
1:49:55 fanciful
1:49:56 that
1:49:57 Khamenei
1:49:57 would
1:49:58 build
1:49:58 a
1:49:59 civilian
1:49:59 nuclear
1:50:00 program
1:50:01 under
1:50:01 80
1:50:01 meters
1:50:02 of
1:50:02 concrete
1:50:03 surrounded
1:50:03 by
1:50:04 rock
1:50:06 and
1:50:06 take
1:50:07 all
1:50:07 the
1:50:08 risks
1:50:08 he’s
1:50:08 taken
1:50:09 and
1:50:09 by
1:50:09 the
1:50:09 way
1:50:09 he
1:50:10 faces
1:50:10 a
1:50:10 risk
1:50:10 to
1:50:10 his
1:50:11 regime
1:50:12 spent
1:50:13 a
1:50:13 half
1:50:13 a
1:50:13 trillion
1:50:14 dollars
1:50:14 to
1:50:14 do
1:50:15 this
1:50:15 when
1:50:15 it
1:50:16 makes
1:50:16 no
1:50:17 commercial
1:50:17 sense
1:50:18 but
1:50:18 let’s
1:50:19 take him
1:50:19 at his
1:50:19 word
1:50:20 that he
1:50:20 wants
1:50:20 civilian
1:50:21 nuclear
1:50:21 energy
1:50:21 let’s
1:50:22 build
1:50:22 it
1:50:22 for him
1:50:23 as long
1:50:23 as there’s
1:50:23 no
1:50:24 enrichment
1:50:26 or reprocessing
1:50:26 that gives
1:50:26 him the
1:50:27 key
1:50:27 capabilities
1:50:28 that he
1:50:28 could
1:50:28 if he
1:50:29 decides
1:50:29 to build
1:50:30 nuclear
1:50:30 weapons
1:50:30 that seems
1:50:31 to me
1:50:31 a
1:50:31 thoughtful
1:50:33 approach
1:50:34 I think
1:50:34 Scott would
1:50:35 probably agree
1:50:35 with it
1:50:36 proliferation
1:50:36 proof
1:50:37 he can’t
1:50:37 build
1:50:37 nuclear
1:50:38 weapons
1:50:38 and we
1:50:39 can do
1:50:39 this
1:50:41 what can
1:50:42 Trump do
1:50:42 to help
1:50:43 make that
1:50:43 happen
1:50:44 I think
1:50:44 what he
1:50:45 can do
1:50:45 is he
1:50:46 can say
1:50:46 to the
1:50:47 Iranians
1:50:47 look I
1:50:47 made you
1:50:48 that offer
1:50:48 last time
1:50:49 you
1:50:50 rejected
1:50:50 it
1:50:51 now that
1:50:51 offer is
1:50:52 no longer
1:50:52 on the
1:50:52 table
1:50:53 because that
1:50:53 offer gave
1:50:53 you
1:50:54 enrichment
1:50:54 equipment
1:50:55 now
1:50:55 temporarily
1:50:56 but I
1:50:56 now see
1:50:57 the game
1:50:57 that you
1:50:57 would have
1:50:57 played
1:50:58 when I
1:50:58 left
1:50:59 office
1:51:00 to turn
1:51:00 that
1:51:00 enrichment
1:51:02 capability
1:51:03 into
1:51:03 nuclear
1:51:03 weapons
1:51:03 so
1:51:05 that
1:51:05 deal
1:51:05 is
1:51:05 off
1:51:05 the
1:51:06 table
1:51:06 but here’s
1:51:07 the deal
1:51:07 that’s
1:51:07 on the
1:51:07 table
1:51:07 it’s
1:51:08 a
1:51:08 one
1:51:08 page
1:51:08 deal
1:51:09 you
1:51:10 give
1:51:10 up
1:51:10 your
1:51:10 nuclear
1:51:11 capabilities
1:51:12 we
1:51:12 help
1:51:13 you
1:51:13 build
1:51:14 civilian
1:51:14 nuclear
1:51:14 energy
1:51:15 I
1:51:15 think
1:51:15 that’s
1:51:16 best
1:51:16 case
1:51:17 I
1:51:17 think
1:51:18 worst
1:51:18 case
1:51:19 is
1:51:20 that
1:51:21 the
1:51:21 Iranians
1:51:22 do
1:51:22 what
1:51:22 they’ve
1:51:22 unfortunately
1:51:23 been
1:51:23 doing
1:51:24 and rejecting
1:51:25 these
1:51:25 deals
1:51:26 and
1:51:26 holding
1:51:27 firm
1:51:27 that
1:51:27 they
1:51:28 want
1:51:28 to
1:51:28 retain
1:51:28 this
1:51:29 enrichment
1:51:29 capability
1:51:30 and
1:51:30 the
1:51:31 only
1:51:31 reason
1:51:31 they
1:51:31 want
1:51:31 to
1:51:32 retain
1:51:32 enrichment
1:51:32 capability
1:51:33 is
1:51:33 their
1:51:33 option
1:51:33 to
1:51:34 develop
1:51:34 nuclear
1:51:34 weapons
1:51:35 otherwise
1:51:35 they
1:51:35 can
1:51:35 have
1:51:36 civilian
1:51:36 energy
1:51:37 tomorrow
1:51:37 makes
1:51:38 much
1:51:38 more
1:51:38 commercial
1:51:39 sense
1:51:39 to do
1:51:39 that
1:51:40 and
1:51:40 the
1:51:40 entire
1:51:41 international
1:51:41 community
1:51:42 would
1:51:42 help
1:51:42 them
1:51:42 and
1:51:42 pay
1:51:42 for
1:51:43 that
1:51:44 I
1:51:44 worry
1:51:44 that
1:51:44 they’re
1:51:45 going
1:51:45 to
1:51:45 just
1:51:45 remain
1:51:46 intransigent
1:51:46 at
1:51:47 the
1:51:47 negotiating
1:51:47 table
1:51:48 and I
1:51:48 think
1:51:49 if
1:51:49 they
1:51:49 do
1:51:49 that
1:51:50 then
1:51:50 what
1:51:50 I
1:51:50 worry
1:51:51 that
1:51:51 they’re
1:51:51 going
1:51:51 to
1:51:51 do
1:51:52 is
1:51:52 whatever
1:51:52 remaining
1:51:53 capabilities
1:51:54 they have
1:51:54 left
1:51:55 they’ll
1:51:55 bide
1:51:55 their
1:51:56 time
1:51:57 they’ll
1:51:57 wait
1:51:57 for the
1:51:58 opportunity
1:51:58 maybe
1:51:58 it’s
1:51:58 not
1:51:59 now
1:51:59 maybe
1:51:59 it’s
1:51:59 Trump’s
1:52:00 gone
1:52:00 and
1:52:00 they
1:52:01 will
1:52:01 rebuild
1:52:01 this
1:52:02 nuclear
1:52:02 weapons
1:52:03 program
1:52:04 and
1:52:04 they’ll
1:52:04 be
1:52:04 then
1:52:05 inviting
1:52:06 further
1:52:07 strikes
1:52:08 further
1:52:08 war
1:52:09 and
1:52:10 further
1:52:10 suffering
1:52:11 and
1:52:11 I
1:52:11 worry
1:52:11 that
1:52:12 that
1:52:12 is
1:52:13 the
1:52:13 worst
1:52:13 case
1:52:13 and
1:52:14 by
1:52:14 the
1:52:14 way
1:52:14 as part
1:52:14 of
1:52:14 that
1:52:14 worst
1:52:15 case
1:52:15 in
1:52:15 retaining
1:52:15 the
1:52:16 capabilities
1:52:17 the
1:52:18 extra
1:52:18 worst
1:52:18 case
1:52:19 is
1:52:19 they
1:52:19 take
1:52:19 those
1:52:20 capabilities
1:52:20 and
1:52:20 they
1:52:20 go
1:52:20 for
1:52:20 a
1:52:21 nuclear
1:52:21 bomb
1:52:22 now
1:52:22 if
1:52:22 Scott’s
1:52:22 right
1:52:23 and
1:52:23 the
1:52:24 regime
1:52:24 has
1:52:24 never
1:52:24 had
1:52:24 any
1:52:25 desire
1:52:30 is
1:52:31 been
1:52:31 fabricated
1:52:31 all
1:52:32 of
1:52:32 this
1:52:32 has
1:52:32 been
1:52:33 result
1:52:33 of
1:52:33 U.S.
1:52:33 and
1:52:34 Israeli
1:52:36 intelligence
1:52:37 mendacity
1:52:38 and we
1:52:38 don’t have
1:52:38 to worry
1:52:39 about a
1:52:39 nuclear
1:52:39 weapon
1:52:39 I
1:52:40 personally
1:52:40 worry
1:52:41 about
1:52:41 it
1:52:41 knowing
1:52:41 this
1:52:42 regime
1:52:43 looking
1:52:43 at
1:52:44 two
1:52:44 and a
1:52:44 half
1:52:45 decades
1:52:45 of
1:52:46 nuclear
1:52:46 deception
1:52:47 I
1:52:47 worry
1:52:48 that
1:52:48 they
1:52:48 want
1:52:48 to
1:52:48 retain
1:52:48 those
1:52:49 capabilities
1:52:50 and
1:52:50 at
1:52:50 time
1:52:50 of
1:52:51 their
1:52:51 choosing
1:52:52 develop
1:52:53 a
1:52:53 nuclear
1:52:53 bomb
1:52:53 so
1:52:53 I
1:52:54 think
1:52:54 if
1:52:54 you’re
1:52:54 responsible
1:52:55 and
1:52:56 you’re
1:52:56 trying
1:52:56 to
1:52:56 think
1:52:56 through
1:53:01 an
1:53:02 possibility
1:53:02 and
1:53:02 you’ve
1:53:02 got to
1:53:02 try
1:53:03 to
1:53:03 mitigate
1:53:03 that
1:53:04 at
1:53:04 the
1:53:05 negotiating
1:53:05 table
1:53:06 through
1:53:06 a
1:53:06 full
1:53:07 dismantlement
1:53:07 deal
1:53:08 or
1:53:10 it’s
1:53:10 the
1:53:10 least
1:53:13 good
1:53:13 option
1:53:14 for sure
1:53:15 is
1:53:15 you’re
1:53:15 going to
1:53:15 have to
1:53:16 go back
1:53:16 in
1:53:16 there
1:53:17 either
1:53:17 the
1:53:17 Israelis
1:53:19 and
1:53:19 or
1:53:19 the
1:53:19 United
1:53:19 States
1:53:20 and
1:53:20 you’re
1:53:20 going to
1:53:20 have
1:53:20 to
1:53:21 continue
1:53:21 to
1:53:22 use
1:53:22 both
1:53:23 covert
1:53:23 action
1:53:24 and
1:53:24 air
1:53:24 power
1:53:25 to
1:53:25 destroy
1:53:26 those
1:53:26 capabilities
1:53:26 can
1:53:26 I
1:53:27 just
1:53:27 even
1:53:28 dig
1:53:28 in
1:53:28 further
1:53:29 on the
1:53:29 worst
1:53:29 case
1:53:29 do
1:53:29 you
1:53:30 think
1:53:30 it’s
1:53:30 possible
1:53:30 to
1:53:30 have
1:53:31 where
1:53:32 U.S.
1:53:33 gets
1:53:33 pulled
1:53:33 into
1:53:34 a
1:53:34 feet
1:53:35 on
1:53:35 the
1:53:35 ground
1:53:36 full
1:53:36 on
1:53:37 war
1:53:37 with
1:53:37 Iran
1:53:39 I
1:53:39 think
1:53:39 one
1:53:39 must
1:53:39 never
1:53:40 dismiss
1:53:40 possibilities
1:53:41 because
1:53:41 as I
1:53:41 said
1:53:42 you’ve
1:53:42 got to
1:53:42 plan
1:53:43 against
1:53:43 worst
1:53:44 case
1:53:44 options
1:53:45 and I
1:53:45 think
1:53:45 that’s
1:53:45 what
1:53:45 the
1:53:45 Israel
1:53:46 lobby
1:53:46 has
1:53:46 in
1:53:46 store
1:53:46 for
1:53:47 you
1:53:47 guys
1:53:49 American
1:53:49 lives
1:53:49 mean
1:53:50 nothing
1:53:50 to
1:53:50 the
1:53:51 Israel
1:53:51 first
1:53:51 do
1:53:51 they
1:53:52 don’t
1:53:52 care
1:53:52 that
1:53:52 Israel
1:53:53 motivated
1:53:53 September
1:53:54 11th
1:53:54 and killed
1:53:55 3,000
1:53:55 of our
1:53:55 guys
1:53:56 at the
1:53:56 airport
1:53:56 yesterday
1:53:57 had a
1:53:57 big
1:53:57 American
1:53:58 flag
1:53:58 with all
1:53:59 the red
1:53:59 and white
1:53:59 stripes
1:54:00 made out
1:54:00 of the
1:54:00 names
1:54:00 of the
1:54:01 dead
1:54:01 of
1:54:01 September
1:54:02 11th
1:54:02 who
1:54:02 were killed
1:54:03 by people
1:54:03 motivated
1:54:04 by Israel’s
1:54:05 crimes
1:54:05 in
1:54:06 Palestine
1:54:06 and in
1:54:06 Lebanon
1:54:08 and enforcing
1:54:09 Bill Clinton’s
1:54:09 dual
1:54:10 containment
1:54:10 policy
1:54:11 from
1:54:12 Saudi
1:54:12 Arabia
1:54:12 they
1:54:12 don’t
1:54:13 care
1:54:13 about
1:54:13 that
1:54:13 they
1:54:13 don’t
1:54:14 care
1:54:14 about
1:54:15 4,500
1:54:15 Americans
1:54:15 who
1:54:16 died
1:54:16 in
1:54:16 Iraq
1:54:16 War
1:54:16 II
1:54:17 or
1:54:17 the
1:54:17 million
1:54:18 something
1:54:18 people
1:54:18 who
1:54:19 died
1:54:19 in
1:54:19 Iraq
1:54:19 War
1:54:19 II
1:54:19 the
1:54:20 half
1:54:20 a
1:54:20 million
1:54:20 in
1:54:21 Syria
1:54:21 as
1:54:22 long
1:54:22 as
1:54:23 the
1:54:23 Shiite
1:54:24 crescent
1:54:24 somehow
1:54:24 is
1:54:25 limited
1:54:25 they’ll
1:54:25 even
1:54:26 celebrate
1:54:27 openly
1:54:27 I don’t
1:54:27 know
1:54:27 about
1:54:27 him
1:54:28 but
1:54:28 I
1:54:28 know
1:54:28 Ben
1:54:28 Shapiro
1:54:29 and
1:54:29 many
1:54:29 other
1:54:29 leaders
1:54:30 of
1:54:30 the
1:54:30 Israel
1:54:30 lobby
1:54:30 in
1:54:31 America
1:54:32 celebrated
1:54:32 the
1:54:33 overthrow
1:54:33 of Bashar
1:54:34 al-Assad
1:54:35 in Syria
1:54:36 by
1:54:36 Abu
1:54:37 Mohammed
1:54:37 al-Jolani
1:54:38 the
1:54:38 leader
1:54:39 of
1:54:39 al-Qaeda
1:54:39 in
1:54:40 Iraq
1:54:40 in
1:54:40 Syria
1:54:41 why
1:54:41 because
1:54:41 he’s
1:54:41 not
1:54:41 a
1:54:42 Shiite
1:54:42 he’s
1:54:42 not
1:54:42 an
1:54:43 Alawite
1:54:43 friends
1:54:44 with
1:54:44 the
1:54:44 Shiites
1:54:44 and
1:54:44 friends
1:54:45 with
1:54:45 Iran
1:54:45 and
1:54:45 friends
1:54:46 with
1:54:46 Hezbollah
1:54:46 and
1:54:47 so
1:54:47 that’s
1:54:47 good
1:54:47 for
1:54:48 Israel
1:54:48 even
1:54:48 though
1:54:49 it’s
1:54:49 the
1:54:49 worst
1:54:49 thing
1:54:49 you
1:54:50 could
1:54:50 possibly
1:54:50 imagine
1:54:51 for
1:54:51 the
1:54:52 United
1:54:52 States
1:54:52 of
1:54:52 America
1:54:53 those
1:54:53 sworn
1:54:54 loyal
1:54:54 to
1:54:54 Osama
1:54:54 bin
1:54:55 Laden
1:54:55 and
1:54:55 Iman
1:54:56 al-Zawahiri
1:54:57 ruling
1:54:57 Damascus
1:54:58 now
1:54:58 their
1:54:59 own
1:54:59 ISIS
1:55:00 caliphate
1:55:00 in
1:55:00 our
1:55:01 era
1:55:01 and
1:55:02 this
1:55:02 is
1:55:02 why
1:55:02 they
1:55:02 always
1:55:03 pretend
1:55:03 they
1:55:04 go
1:55:04 oh
1:55:04 you
1:55:04 know
1:55:04 over
1:55:05 there
1:55:05 the
1:55:05 Muslims
1:55:05 the
1:55:05 terrorists
1:55:06 greatest
1:55:06 state
1:55:07 sponsors
1:55:07 of
1:55:07 terrorism
1:55:09 it’s
1:55:10 al-Qaeda
1:55:10 that
1:55:10 threatens
1:55:10 the
1:55:11 United
1:55:11 States
1:55:11 of
1:55:12 America
1:55:12 it
1:55:12 wasn’t
1:55:13 Hezbollah
1:55:13 that
1:55:13 knocked
1:55:13 those
1:55:14 towers
1:55:14 down
1:55:15 and
1:55:15 they
1:55:15 have
1:55:16 us
1:55:16 siding
1:55:17 with
1:55:17 our
1:55:18 enemies
1:55:18 against
1:55:24 42nd
1:55:24 Airborne
1:55:24 in
1:55:25 there
1:55:25 whether
1:55:26 Americans
1:55:26 are
1:55:26 going
1:55:26 to
1:55:26 have
1:55:26 to
1:55:26 do
1:55:27 a
1:55:27 regime
1:55:28 change
1:55:28 in
1:55:28 Tehran
1:55:28 I
1:55:29 wish
1:55:29 you’d
1:55:29 listen
1:55:29 and
1:55:30 not
1:55:30 put
1:55:31 words
1:55:31 in
1:55:31 my
1:55:31 mouth
1:55:32 I
1:55:33 heard
1:55:33 what
1:55:33 he
1:55:33 said
1:55:33 I
1:55:34 forced
1:55:34 them
1:55:35 to
1:55:35 say
1:55:35 what
1:55:36 the
1:55:36 worst
1:55:36 case
1:55:37 possibility
1:55:38 of
1:55:38 a
1:55:38 full
1:55:38 on
1:55:39 invasion
1:55:39 as
1:55:40 a
1:55:40 thought
1:55:40 experiment
1:55:41 and
1:55:41 you
1:55:41 can
1:55:41 let
1:55:41 him
1:55:42 finish
1:55:42 that
1:55:42 as
1:55:42 opposed
1:55:42 to
1:55:43 making
1:55:43 accusations
1:55:44 let’s
1:55:44 just
1:55:44 minimize
1:55:45 both
1:55:45 ways
1:55:46 accusations
1:55:46 please
1:55:47 let’s
1:55:47 just
1:55:47 talk
1:55:47 about
1:55:47 the
1:55:48 ideas
1:55:48 that’s
1:55:49 the
1:55:49 most
1:55:49 charitable
1:55:50 interpretation
1:55:50 of
1:55:50 those
1:55:51 ideas
1:55:52 I’m
1:55:52 from
1:55:52 the
1:55:52 United
1:55:52 States
1:55:53 of
1:55:53 America
1:55:53 unlike
1:55:54 him
1:55:54 and
1:55:54 I
1:55:54 care
1:55:54 about
1:55:54 the
1:55:55 future
1:55:55 of
1:55:55 this
1:55:55 country
1:55:56 unlike
1:55:56 him
1:55:57 who’s
1:55:57 here
1:55:57 to
1:55:57 serve
1:55:57 a
1:55:58 foreign
1:55:58 power
1:55:59 and
1:55:59 make
1:55:59 their
1:56:00 case
1:56:00 at
1:56:00 our
1:56:01 expense
1:56:01 Scott
1:56:03 and next
1:56:03 you’re
1:56:03 going to
1:56:03 say
1:56:04 that
1:56:04 I’m
1:56:04 an
1:56:05 American
1:56:06 you’re
1:56:06 just
1:56:07 hosting
1:56:07 the
1:56:07 show
1:56:07 I
1:56:08 don’t
1:56:08 know
1:56:08 seems
1:56:08 like
1:56:08 you’re
1:56:09 trying
1:56:09 to
1:56:09 be
1:56:09 fair
1:56:10 but
1:56:11 he
1:56:12 has
1:56:12 an
1:56:12 agenda
1:56:13 he’s
1:56:13 from
1:56:13 the
1:56:13 FDD
1:56:14 stop
1:56:15 it’s
1:56:15 not
1:56:16 about
1:56:16 being
1:56:16 fair
1:56:17 the
1:56:17 implication
1:56:18 here
1:56:19 is
1:56:19 somebody
1:56:19 is
1:56:20 un-American
1:56:20 because
1:56:20 where
1:56:20 they’re
1:56:21 from
1:56:21 I
1:56:21 didn’t
1:56:21 say
1:56:22 anyone
1:56:22 who’s
1:56:23 not
1:56:23 from
1:56:23 here
1:56:23 I’m
1:56:24 talking
1:56:24 about
1:56:24 him
1:56:25 okay
1:56:26 I
1:56:26 think
1:56:26 that’s
1:56:26 a
1:56:27 really
1:56:28 deeply
1:56:28 disrespectful
1:56:29 accusation
1:56:30 I’m
1:56:30 going to
1:56:30 ask you
1:56:31 does it
1:56:31 bother
1:56:31 you
1:56:31 that
1:56:32 when
1:56:32 Naftali
1:56:33 Bennett
1:56:34 bombed
1:56:34 a
1:56:34 UN
1:56:35 shelter
1:56:35 full of
1:56:36 106
1:56:36 women
1:56:36 and
1:56:36 children
1:56:37 in
1:56:37 Lebanon
1:56:38 in
1:56:39 1996
1:56:39 that
1:56:39 that’s
1:56:40 what
1:56:40 motivated
1:56:41 Mohammed
1:56:41 Atta
1:56:43 to join
1:56:43 al-Qaeda
1:56:43 and attack
1:56:44 our towers
1:56:44 I came to
1:56:44 this country
1:56:45 22 years
1:56:45 ago
1:56:46 I became
1:56:46 a proud
1:56:47 U.S.
1:56:47 citizen
1:56:48 10 years
1:56:48 ago
1:56:48 I’m
1:56:49 proud
1:56:49 to be
1:56:49 an
1:56:49 American
1:56:50 and
1:56:51 accusing
1:56:51 me
1:56:52 or
1:56:52 Lex
1:56:53 or any
1:56:53 immigrants
1:56:54 to this
1:56:54 country
1:56:54 of not
1:56:54 being
1:56:55 un-American
1:56:55 is
1:56:55 deeply
1:56:56 offensive
1:56:56 so
1:56:56 let me
1:56:57 answer
1:56:57 Lex’s
1:56:57 question
1:56:58 Lex
1:56:58 let’s
1:56:58 get back
1:56:58 to
1:56:58 your
1:56:59 question
1:56:59 because
1:56:59 I
1:57:00 think
1:57:00 it’s
1:57:00 an
1:57:00 important
1:57:01 question
1:57:01 what
1:57:01 are
1:57:02 the
1:57:02 chain
1:57:02 of
1:57:02 events
1:57:02 that
1:57:03 could
1:57:03 lead
1:57:04 500,000
1:57:04 mechanized
1:57:04 U.S.
1:57:05 troops
1:57:05 to have
1:57:05 to
1:57:05 invade
1:57:06 Iran
1:57:06 which
1:57:06 would
1:57:06 be
1:57:07 a
1:57:07 disaster
1:57:07 and
1:57:08 that’s
1:57:08 something
1:57:08 we
1:57:08 never
1:57:08 want
1:57:08 to
1:57:09 see
1:57:09 again
1:57:09 that’s
1:57:09 one
1:57:09 of
1:57:09 the
1:57:10 lessons
1:57:10 of
1:57:11 Iraq
1:57:11 and
1:57:11 I
1:57:11 think
1:57:12 Scott
1:57:12 has
1:57:12 done
1:57:12 a
1:57:12 good
1:57:12 job
1:57:13 over
1:57:13 the
1:57:13 years
1:57:14 in
1:57:15 demonstrating
1:57:16 that
1:57:16 we
1:57:16 don’t
1:57:16 want
1:57:16 to
1:57:16 do
1:57:16 that
1:57:17 again
1:57:17 so
1:57:18 is
1:57:18 there
1:57:18 such
1:57:19 a
1:57:20 scenario
1:57:21 I
1:57:21 think
1:57:21 one
1:57:21 must
1:57:21 never
1:57:21 rule
1:57:22 it
1:57:22 out
1:57:22 because
1:57:22 there
1:57:23 is
1:57:23 a
1:57:23 scenario
1:57:24 for
1:57:24 example
1:57:25 where
1:57:26 the
1:57:26 regime
1:57:27 collapses
1:57:28 and
1:57:28 the
1:57:29 regime
1:57:29 collapses
1:57:29 and
1:57:30 there’s
1:57:30 chaos
1:57:31 inside
1:57:31 Iran
1:57:32 not
1:57:32 suggesting
1:57:33 that’ll
1:57:33 happen
1:57:33 there
1:57:33 are
1:57:33 a
1:57:33 whole
1:57:34 bunch
1:57:34 of
1:57:34 scenarios
1:57:34 maybe
1:57:34 we
1:57:39 but
1:57:39 you
1:57:40 could
1:57:40 see
1:57:40 a
1:57:40 scenario
1:57:40 where
1:57:41 the
1:57:41 United
1:57:41 States
1:57:41 would
1:57:41 have
1:57:41 to
1:57:42 go
1:57:42 in
1:57:42 there
1:57:42 in
1:57:42 order
1:57:42 to
1:57:43 try
1:57:43 to
1:57:43 secure
1:57:45 military
1:57:46 and
1:57:46 nuclear
1:57:47 and
1:57:47 missile
1:57:48 assets
1:57:49 so
1:57:49 that
1:57:49 it
1:57:49 doesn’t
1:57:49 end
1:57:49 at
1:57:50 the
1:57:50 hands
1:57:50 of
1:57:51 warring
1:57:53 factional
1:57:53 and
1:57:53 ethnic
1:57:54 groups
1:57:54 that
1:57:54 Scott
1:57:55 referred
1:57:55 to
1:57:55 because
1:57:55 again
1:57:55 as
1:57:56 he’s
1:57:56 rightly
1:57:56 pointed
1:57:57 out
1:57:58 Iran
1:57:58 is
1:57:58 not
1:57:58 Persia
1:57:59 can’t
1:57:59 the
1:58:00 IDF
1:58:00 handle
1:58:00 it
1:58:01 so
1:58:01 can
1:58:01 I
1:58:02 just
1:58:02 finish
1:58:02 just
1:58:03 who
1:58:03 can
1:58:03 handle
1:58:05 I
1:58:05 think
1:58:05 that
1:58:06 it’s
1:58:06 a
1:58:06 potential
1:58:07 scenario
1:58:07 which
1:58:07 is
1:58:07 why
1:58:07 I
1:58:07 don’t
1:58:08 think
1:58:08 anybody
1:58:08 should
1:58:09 be
1:58:09 advocating
1:58:10 for
1:58:11 a
1:58:11 US
1:58:12 decapitation
1:58:13 of
1:58:13 the
1:58:13 regime
1:58:13 in
1:58:13 Iran
1:58:14 I
1:58:14 have
1:58:14 long
1:58:15 been
1:58:16 on
1:58:16 record
1:58:16 as
1:58:16 supporting
1:58:16 the
1:58:17 Iranian
1:58:17 people
1:58:18 providing
1:58:19 support
1:58:19 to
1:58:19 the
1:58:19 Iranian
1:58:20 people
1:58:20 to
1:58:20 at
1:58:20 one
1:58:21 point
1:58:21 take
1:58:21 back
1:58:21 their
1:58:22 country
1:58:22 and
1:58:22 take
1:58:22 back
1:58:22 their
1:58:23 flag
1:58:23 it’s
1:58:23 very
1:58:24 much
1:58:24 sort
1:58:24 of
1:58:24 Reagan
1:58:25 strategy
1:58:25 that
1:58:25 Reagan
1:58:25 ran
1:58:25 in
1:58:25 the
1:58:26 Cold
1:58:27 war
1:58:27 of
1:58:28 maximum
1:58:28 pressure
1:58:28 on
1:58:28 the
1:58:29 regime
1:58:29 maximum
1:58:30 support
1:58:30 for
1:58:31 anti-Soviet
1:58:31 dissidents
1:58:31 while
1:58:32 by the
1:58:32 way
1:58:32 he
1:58:32 was
1:58:33 negotiating
1:58:33 arms
1:58:33 control
1:58:33 agreements
1:58:34 for
1:58:34 the
1:58:34 Soviet
1:58:34 Union
1:58:35 in
1:58:35 order
1:58:35 to
1:58:35 try
1:58:36 reduce
1:58:36 the
1:58:36 number
1:58:36 of
1:58:37 nuclear
1:58:37 tipped
1:58:38 ICBMs
1:58:38 that
1:58:38 both
1:58:39 countries
1:58:39 had
1:58:39 pointed
1:58:40 at
1:58:40 each
1:58:40 other
1:58:40 so
1:58:41 I
1:58:41 think
1:58:41 the
1:58:41 Reagan
1:58:42 strategy
1:58:42 of
1:58:42 providing
1:58:43 support
1:58:43 to
1:58:43 the
1:58:43 people
1:58:44 is
1:58:44 a
1:58:44 far
1:58:44 better
1:58:45 strategy
1:58:45 for
1:58:46 trying
1:58:46 to
1:58:46 get
1:58:47 transition
1:58:48 leadership
1:58:48 transition
1:58:49 government
1:58:50 transition
1:58:50 inside
1:58:51 Iran
1:58:51 but
1:58:51 I
1:58:51 think
1:58:51 the
1:58:52 scenario
1:58:52 of
1:58:53 decapitation
1:58:54 strikes
1:58:54 killing
1:58:54 Khamenei
1:58:55 taking
1:58:55 out
1:58:55 the
1:58:55 entire
1:58:56 government
1:58:57 could
1:58:57 potentially
1:58:57 lead
1:58:58 to
1:58:58 that
1:58:58 scenario
1:58:58 and
1:58:58 I
1:58:58 think
1:58:58 we
1:58:59 have
1:58:59 to
1:58:59 be
1:59:00 conscious
1:59:00 of
1:59:00 that
1:59:01 we
1:59:01 have
1:59:01 to
1:59:01 guard
1:59:01 against
1:59:02 that
1:59:02 I
1:59:03 think
1:59:03 Scott’s
1:59:03 right
1:59:04 if
1:59:04 a
1:59:05 scenario
1:59:05 happened
1:59:05 like
1:59:06 that
1:59:06 I
1:59:07 think
1:59:07 the
1:59:08 Israelis
1:59:08 have
1:59:08 demonstrated
1:59:09 extraordinary
1:59:10 capabilities
1:59:11 and they
1:59:11 could go
1:59:11 in there
1:59:12 and they
1:59:12 could
1:59:12 secure
1:59:13 loose
1:59:14 nuclear
1:59:14 materials
1:59:15 that you
1:59:15 would
1:59:15 be
1:59:15 worried
1:59:16 could
1:59:16 be
1:59:18 fashion
1:59:18 for
1:59:18 nuclear
1:59:19 weapons
1:59:19 Scott
1:59:20 doesn’t
1:59:20 seem
1:59:20 to
1:59:20 worry
1:59:20 about
1:59:20 these
1:59:21 materials
1:59:21 I
1:59:21 worry
1:59:21 about
1:59:22 these
1:59:22 materials
1:59:22 and
1:59:23 capabilities
1:59:23 in the
1:59:23 hands
1:59:24 of
1:59:24 anybody
1:59:25 because
1:59:25 they’re
1:59:25 all
1:59:26 capabilities
1:59:26 that
1:59:26 just
1:59:26 the
1:59:27 physics
1:59:27 of
1:59:27 it
1:59:27 you
1:59:27 can
1:59:28 produce
1:59:28 nuclear
1:59:28 weapons
1:59:29 so
1:59:30 best
1:59:30 case
1:59:31 scenario
1:59:32 negotiation
1:59:33 we
1:59:33 fully
1:59:33 dismantle
1:59:33 their
1:59:34 program
1:59:34 in
1:59:34 Amman
1:59:35 worst
1:59:36 case
1:59:36 scenario
1:59:37 is
1:59:37 having
1:59:38 to
1:59:38 return
1:59:39 for
1:59:39 continued
1:59:40 military
1:59:41 strikes
1:59:41 that
1:59:42 continue
1:59:42 to
1:59:43 escalate
1:59:43 the
1:59:43 situation
1:59:44 worst
1:59:44 worst
1:59:45 situation
1:59:45 some
1:59:45 kind
1:59:45 of
1:59:46 decapitation
1:59:46 strike
1:59:47 that
1:59:47 collapses
1:59:48 the
1:59:48 regime
1:59:48 and
1:59:49 causes
1:59:49 chaos
1:59:50 there
1:59:50 are
1:59:50 a whole
1:59:50 bunch
1:59:50 of
1:59:50 other
1:59:51 scenarios
1:59:51 we
1:59:51 can
1:59:51 talk
1:59:52 about
1:59:52 that
1:59:52 are
1:59:52 embedded
1:59:53 in
1:59:53 that
1:59:53 but
1:59:53 I
1:59:54 think
1:59:54 if
1:59:54 you’re
1:59:54 a
1:59:54 responsible
1:59:55 person
1:59:55 and
1:59:55 a
1:59:56 responsible
1:59:56 analyst
1:59:56 and
1:59:57 certainly
1:59:57 you’re
1:59:57 a
1:59:57 responsible
1:59:58 policy
1:59:58 maker
1:59:59 you’ve
1:59:59 got to
1:59:59 be
1:59:59 planning
1:59:59 for
2:00:00 all
2:00:00 of
2:00:00 these
2:00:00 scenarios
2:00:01 and
2:00:01 more
2:00:02 Scott
2:00:02 what do
2:00:02 you
2:00:02 think
2:00:02 is
2:00:02 the
2:00:03 best
2:00:03 case
2:00:03 and
2:00:03 worst
2:00:04 case
2:00:04 here
2:00:05 well
2:00:05 the
2:00:05 best
2:00:05 case
2:00:06 scenario
2:00:06 is
2:00:06 that
2:00:07 we
2:00:07 quit
2:00:07 right
2:00:07 now
2:00:08 and
2:00:08 that
2:00:08 we
2:00:10 Trump
2:00:10 figures
2:00:10 out
2:00:10 a
2:00:10 way
2:00:11 to
2:00:12 reorder
2:00:12 some
2:00:12 paragraphs
2:00:13 and
2:00:13 get
2:00:14 back
2:00:14 in
2:00:14 something
2:00:15 like
2:00:15 the
2:00:16 JCPOA
2:00:16 which
2:00:16 was
2:00:17 also
2:00:17 signed
2:00:17 with the
2:00:17 rest
2:00:18 UN
2:00:18 security
2:00:18 council
2:00:19 power
2:00:19 can
2:00:19 ask
2:00:19 you
2:00:20 like
2:00:20 is
2:00:21 JCPOA
2:00:21 is
2:00:21 a
2:00:21 pretty
2:00:21 good
2:00:22 approximation
2:00:22 of
2:00:22 what
2:00:23 would
2:00:23 be
2:00:23 a
2:00:23 good
2:00:23 deal
2:00:24 pretty
2:00:24 good
2:00:24 it
2:00:24 could
2:00:24 have
2:00:25 been
2:00:25 better
2:00:25 as I
2:00:25 said
2:00:26 at
2:00:26 the
2:00:26 beginning
2:00:26 Trump
2:00:26 could
2:00:27 have
2:00:27 gone
2:00:27 in
2:00:27 there
2:00:27 and
2:00:27 tried
2:00:27 to
2:00:28 negotiate
2:00:29 a
2:00:29 better
2:00:30 result
2:00:30 with
2:00:30 the
2:00:30 sunset
2:00:31 provisions
2:00:31 on
2:00:31 some
2:00:31 of
2:00:31 those
2:00:32 things
2:00:32 but
2:00:34 the
2:00:35 concept
2:00:35 that
2:00:35 America
2:00:36 is
2:00:36 going
2:00:36 to
2:00:36 insist
2:00:37 on
2:00:37 zero
2:00:37 enrichment
2:00:38 zero
2:00:38 nuclear
2:00:39 program
2:00:39 whatsoever
2:00:48 it’s
2:00:48 a
2:00:49 poison
2:00:49 pill
2:00:49 it’s
2:00:49 meant
2:00:50 to
2:00:50 fail
2:00:50 just
2:00:51 like
2:00:51 it
2:00:51 was
2:00:51 a
2:00:52 poison
2:00:52 pill
2:00:52 meant
2:00:53 to
2:00:53 destroy
2:00:53 the
2:00:53 talks
2:00:54 here
2:00:54 good
2:00:54 enough
2:00:55 to
2:00:55 start
2:00:55 a
2:00:55 war
2:00:56 again
2:00:56 as I
2:00:57 quoted
2:00:57 from
2:00:58 earlier
2:01:00 he
2:01:00 said
2:01:01 on
2:01:01 on TV
2:01:01 last
2:01:02 week
2:01:02 well
2:01:03 America
2:01:03 has
2:01:03 to
2:01:03 take
2:01:04 out
2:01:04 Fordo
2:01:04 now
2:01:04 because
2:01:05 now
2:01:05 they’re
2:01:05 more
2:01:06 likely
2:01:06 to
2:01:06 break
2:01:06 out
2:01:07 towards
2:01:07 a
2:01:07 nuke
2:01:07 I
2:01:07 think
2:01:08 that’s
2:01:08 exactly
2:01:09 right
2:01:09 so
2:01:10 there
2:01:10 still
2:01:11 is
2:01:11 or
2:01:12 there’s
2:01:12 strong
2:01:13 reason
2:01:20 to
2:01:21 point
2:01:21 of
2:01:21 fact
2:01:22 sort
2:01:22 of
2:01:22 interesting
2:01:23 we’ll
2:01:23 see
2:01:23 on the
2:01:23 battle
2:01:24 damage
2:01:24 assessment
2:01:24 but
2:01:24 they
2:01:25 actually
2:01:25 think
2:01:25 the
2:01:26 facility
2:01:26 was
2:01:26 destroyed
2:01:26 and
2:01:27 that
2:01:27 the
2:01:28 sensitive
2:01:29 centrifuges
2:01:29 were
2:01:30 destroyed
2:01:30 so
2:01:30 just
2:01:31 interesting
2:01:31 for
2:01:31 the
2:01:31 viewers
2:01:32 and
2:01:32 it
2:01:33 may
2:01:33 be
2:01:33 premature
2:01:34 all
2:01:34 the
2:01:34 uranium
2:01:36 mines
2:01:36 and
2:01:37 all
2:01:37 the
2:01:37 aluminum
2:01:38 smelters
2:01:38 so
2:01:38 that
2:01:38 they
2:01:38 can’t
2:01:38 make
2:01:39 any
2:01:39 more
2:01:40 centrifuges
2:01:41 they’ve
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2:07:47 they
2:07:47 didn’t
2:07:47 want
2:07:47 to
2:07:48 revisit
2:07:48 the
2:07:48 agreement
2:07:49 we
2:07:49 knew
2:07:49 from
2:07:50 we
2:07:50 knew
2:07:50 the
2:07:50 Iranians
2:07:51 were
2:07:51 completely
2:07:51 opposed
2:07:52 and
2:07:52 there
2:07:52 was
2:07:52 no
2:07:52 way
2:07:52 they
2:07:52 were
2:07:52 going
2:08:00 to
2:08:00 that
2:08:01 point
2:08:01 that
2:08:02 President
2:08:02 Trump
2:08:02 decided
2:08:02 to
2:08:03 withdraw
2:08:03 from
2:08:03 the
2:08:04 agreement
2:08:04 but
2:08:05 what
2:08:05 I’m
2:08:05 asking
2:08:05 you
2:08:05 is
2:08:06 if
2:08:06 say
2:08:07 you
2:08:07 were
2:08:07 the
2:08:07 national
2:08:08 security
2:08:08 advisor
2:08:09 under
2:08:10 the
2:08:11 JCPOA
2:08:11 where
2:08:11 they’re
2:08:12 still
2:08:12 shipping
2:08:12 all
2:08:12 their
2:08:13 enriched
2:08:13 uranium
2:08:13 out
2:08:13 of
2:08:14 the
2:08:14 country
2:08:14 and
2:08:14 all
2:08:14 that
2:08:15 which
2:08:15 you
2:08:15 would
2:08:16 be
2:08:16 advising
2:08:16 him
2:08:17 to
2:08:17 not
2:08:17 leave
2:08:18 in
2:08:18 the
2:08:19 negotiations
2:08:19 to
2:08:20 improve
2:08:20 the
2:08:20 deal
2:08:21 would
2:08:21 you
2:08:21 have
2:08:21 been
2:08:22 willing
2:08:22 to
2:08:22 accept
2:08:23 some
2:08:23 level
2:08:23 of
2:08:24 enrichment
2:08:24 then
2:08:25 as
2:08:25 long
2:08:25 as
2:08:25 we’re
2:08:26 still
2:08:26 we
2:08:26 have
2:08:26 the
2:08:27 restriction
2:08:27 part
2:08:28 where
2:08:28 they’re
2:08:28 shipping
2:08:28 it
2:08:28 all
2:08:29 out
2:08:29 of
2:08:29 the
2:08:29 country
2:08:29 or
2:08:30 to
2:08:30 you
2:08:30 enrichment
2:08:31 at
2:08:31 all
2:08:31 is
2:08:32 always
2:08:32 a
2:08:32 red
2:08:33 line
2:08:33 essentially
2:08:34 equivalent
2:08:34 to
2:08:34 them
2:08:35 being
2:08:36 99%
2:08:36 of the
2:08:36 way
2:08:37 to
2:08:37 a
2:08:37 nuclear
2:08:37 weapon
2:08:38 look
2:08:39 enrichment
2:08:39 capability
2:08:40 is
2:08:40 a
2:08:40 red
2:08:40 line
2:08:40 it
2:08:41 has
2:08:41 to
2:08:41 be
2:08:41 a
2:08:41 red
2:08:42 line
2:08:42 and
2:08:42 even
2:08:43 though
2:08:43 you
2:08:43 know
2:08:43 it’s
2:08:43 protected
2:08:44 by
2:08:44 the
2:08:44 NPT
2:08:44 the
2:08:45 right
2:08:45 to
2:08:45 peace
2:08:45 for
2:08:45 nuclear
2:08:46 technology
2:08:46 they call
2:08:46 it a
2:08:47 loophole
2:08:47 but
2:08:48 they have
2:08:48 the right
2:08:49 to enrich
2:08:49 uranium
2:08:49 as
2:08:49 there’s
2:08:50 different
2:08:50 interpretations
2:08:51 of everything
2:08:52 including
2:08:52 agreements
2:08:54 there is
2:08:54 a
2:08:56 raging
2:08:57 debate
2:08:57 about
2:08:58 whether
2:08:58 the
2:08:58 NPT
2:08:59 actually
2:08:59 gives you
2:09:00 a right
2:09:00 to
2:09:00 enrich
2:09:00 in fact
2:09:00 the
2:09:01 Obama
2:09:01 administration
2:09:02 even
2:09:02 with
2:09:02 the
2:09:03 JCPOA
2:09:03 was not
2:09:04 willing
2:09:04 to
2:09:04 recognize
2:09:05 Iran’s
2:09:06 right
2:09:06 to
2:09:06 enrich
2:09:07 but
2:09:07 they
2:09:07 were
2:09:07 willing
2:09:08 to
2:09:08 recognize
2:09:08 its
2:09:09 de facto
2:09:10 reality
2:09:10 that they
2:09:10 were
2:09:11 enriching
2:09:14 Iran
2:09:14 is a
2:09:15 member
2:09:15 of
2:09:15 it
2:09:16 and
2:09:16 it
2:09:16 is
2:09:16 supposed
2:09:16 to
2:09:17 promote
2:09:18 peaceful
2:09:19 civilian
2:09:19 nuclear
2:09:20 energy
2:09:21 and
2:09:21 it’s
2:09:21 supposed
2:09:21 to
2:09:21 prevent
2:09:22 countries
2:09:22 from
2:09:22 developing
2:09:23 nuclear
2:09:23 weapons
2:09:23 I think
2:09:24 that’s
2:09:24 a
2:09:25 basic
2:09:25 summary
2:09:25 of it
2:09:25 and
2:09:26 it
2:09:26 mandates
2:09:27 that
2:09:27 non-nuclear
2:09:27 weapon
2:09:28 states
2:09:29 have
2:09:29 a
2:09:29 safeguards
2:09:30 agreement
2:09:30 with
2:09:30 the
2:09:31 IAEA
2:09:33 and
2:09:33 full of
2:09:33 additional
2:09:34 protocols
2:09:34 and
2:09:34 whatever
2:09:35 they
2:09:35 have
2:09:35 the
2:09:35 right
2:09:36 to
2:09:36 expect
2:09:36 well
2:09:36 no
2:09:37 they
2:09:37 had
2:09:37 an
2:09:37 additional
2:09:38 protocol
2:09:38 that
2:09:38 they
2:09:38 were
2:09:38 abiding
2:09:39 not
2:09:39 even
2:09:39 enriching
2:09:39 at
2:09:40 all
2:09:40 while
2:09:40 they
2:09:40 were
2:09:41 negotiating
2:09:41 with
2:09:41 the
2:09:41 E3
2:09:42 and
2:09:42 then
2:09:42 what
2:09:42 the
2:09:43 JCPOA
2:09:43 really
2:09:44 did
2:09:44 was
2:09:44 add
2:09:44 a
2:09:45 bunch
2:09:45 of
2:09:45 additional
2:09:46 protocols
2:09:46 and
2:09:47 subsidiary
2:09:47 arrangements
2:09:48 and
2:09:48 agreements
2:09:48 to
2:09:49 ratify
2:09:49 the
2:09:49 additional
2:09:49 protocol
2:09:49 I
2:10:09 while
2:10:09 they
2:10:09 were
2:10:10 negotiating
2:10:10 with
2:10:10 the
2:10:10 E3
2:10:11 in
2:10:11 the
2:10:12 W.
2:10:12 Bush
2:10:12 years
2:10:12 before
2:10:13 they
2:10:13 even
2:10:13 started
2:10:14 spinning
2:10:14 centrifuges
2:10:15 at
2:10:15 the
2:10:15 You
2:10:16 asked
2:10:16 me
2:10:16 what
2:10:16 I
2:10:16 would
2:10:17 advise
2:10:17 the
2:10:17 national
2:10:17 security
2:10:18 advisor
2:10:18 of the
2:10:18 United
2:10:18 States
2:10:18 or
2:10:19 if
2:10:19 I
2:10:19 was
2:10:19 the
2:10:19 national
2:10:19 security
2:10:20 advisor
2:10:20 of the
2:10:20 United
2:10:20 States
2:10:20 which
2:10:21 I
2:10:21 guess
2:10:21 I
2:10:21 can’t
2:10:21 be
2:10:21 because
2:10:22 I’m
2:10:22 a
2:10:22 foreigner
2:10:22 but
2:10:23 the
2:10:23 fact
2:10:23 of the
2:10:23 matter
2:10:24 is
2:10:24 I
2:10:24 think
2:10:24 you
2:10:24 could
2:10:24 still
2:10:25 be
2:10:25 national
2:10:25 security
2:10:26 advisor
2:10:27 I
2:10:28 think
2:10:28 he
2:10:28 was
2:10:28 taking
2:10:28 a
2:10:28 shot
2:10:29 back
2:10:29 at
2:10:29 the
2:10:29 fact
2:10:29 that
2:10:29 you
2:10:30 took
2:10:30 a
2:10:30 shot
2:10:31 you
2:10:31 know
2:10:31 what
2:10:31 Lex
2:10:31 I
2:10:32 think
2:10:32 that
2:10:32 you
2:10:32 probably
2:10:32 would
2:10:33 recognize
2:10:33 that
2:10:33 there
2:10:33 are
2:10:34 many
2:10:34 people
2:10:34 who
2:10:34 lobby
2:10:35 for
2:10:35 Israel’s
2:10:36 interests
2:10:36 in
2:10:36 the
2:10:36 United
2:10:36 States
2:10:37 who
2:10:37 clearly
2:10:37 don’t
2:10:38 care
2:10:38 that
2:10:38 much
2:10:39 about
2:10:39 what
2:10:40 happens
2:10:40 to
2:10:40 the
2:10:40 United
2:10:41 States
2:10:41 of
2:10:41 America
2:10:42 in
2:10:43 it
2:10:43 as
2:10:43 a
2:10:44 consequence
2:10:45 because
2:10:45 they
2:10:46 care
2:10:46 about
2:10:46 Israel
2:10:46 which
2:10:46 is
2:10:47 a
2:10:47 different
2:10:48 country
2:10:48 than
2:10:48 America
2:10:49 right
2:10:49 it’s
2:10:49 not
2:10:50 part
2:10:50 of
2:10:50 I
2:10:50 think
2:10:51 an
2:10:51 American
2:10:52 citizen
2:10:53 cares
2:10:53 primarily
2:10:54 about
2:10:54 America
2:10:55 that is
2:10:55 fundamental
2:10:56 belief
2:10:56 for me
2:10:57 to make
2:10:57 an
2:10:57 accusation
2:10:58 that they
2:10:58 don’t
2:10:58 requires
2:10:59 a
2:10:59 very
2:11:00 large
2:11:00 amount
2:11:00 of
2:11:01 proof
2:11:01 for
2:11:02 each
2:11:02 individual
2:11:03 I
2:11:03 don’t
2:11:03 care
2:11:03 that
2:11:04 American
2:11:04 and
2:11:05 Israel’s
2:11:05 interests
2:11:06 are
2:11:06 the
2:11:06 same
2:11:07 requires
2:11:07 a
2:11:08 tremendous
2:11:08 amount
2:11:08 of
2:11:09 cognitive
2:11:10 dissonance
2:11:10 by
2:11:11 those
2:11:11 who
2:11:11 support
2:11:12 Israel’s
2:11:12 interests
2:11:13 they say
2:11:14 they’re not
2:11:14 the same
2:11:15 sponsor of
2:11:15 terror
2:11:15 as
2:11:16 though
2:11:16 Iran
2:11:17 has
2:11:17 anything
2:11:18 to do
2:11:18 with
2:11:19 anti-American
2:11:20 terrorists
2:11:20 I
2:11:20 don’t
2:11:20 know
2:11:21 who
2:11:21 is
2:11:21 the
2:11:21 they
2:11:22 that
2:11:22 we’re
2:11:22 talking
2:11:22 about
2:11:23 but I
2:11:23 believe
2:11:24 American
2:11:25 citizens
2:11:26 care about
2:11:27 America
2:11:27 first
2:11:29 they may
2:11:29 discuss
2:11:29 other
2:11:30 nations
2:11:30 and the
2:11:31 interests
2:11:31 in the
2:11:32 Middle East
2:11:32 or in
2:11:33 Europe
2:11:35 and those
2:11:35 interests
2:11:36 might align
2:11:36 with their
2:11:36 own
2:11:37 worldview
2:11:37 whatever
2:11:38 but when
2:11:39 it comes
2:11:39 at the
2:11:39 end of
2:11:40 the
2:11:40 day
2:11:40 if
2:11:41 everybody
2:11:41 starts
2:11:41 a war
2:11:41 with
2:11:42 everybody
2:11:42 else
2:11:43 they’re
2:11:43 America
2:11:43 first
2:11:44 I’m
2:11:45 America
2:11:45 first
2:11:46 if there’s
2:11:46 a war
2:11:46 that breaks
2:11:47 out
2:11:47 and we
2:11:48 have to
2:11:48 pick up
2:11:48 guns
2:11:48 I’m
2:11:49 fighting
2:11:49 for
2:11:49 America
2:11:50 I’ll
2:11:50 take
2:11:50 them
2:11:50 on a
2:11:50 case
2:11:51 by
2:11:51 case
2:11:51 basis
2:11:52 I know
2:11:53 immigrants
2:11:54 who are
2:11:54 absolutely
2:11:55 super
2:11:56 patriots
2:11:56 who know
2:11:57 American
2:11:57 history
2:11:58 and love
2:11:58 and care
2:11:58 about
2:11:58 America
2:11:59 more than
2:11:59 their
2:11:59 next door
2:12:00 neighbors
2:12:01 were from
2:12:01 here
2:12:01 but that
2:12:02 ain’t
2:12:02 universal
2:12:03 okay
2:12:04 sure
2:12:04 let’s
2:12:05 talk about
2:12:05 case
2:12:05 by case
2:12:05 then
2:12:06 that’s
2:12:06 fine
2:12:06 I think
2:12:07 he’s
2:12:08 clearly
2:12:08 accusing
2:12:09 me
2:12:09 worse
2:12:09 war
2:12:10 with
2:12:10 Iran
2:12:10 he
2:12:10 was
2:12:11 entertaining
2:12:12 the possibility
2:12:12 of putting
2:12:12 ground
2:12:13 troops
2:12:13 in there
2:12:14 don’t
2:12:14 take
2:12:14 personal
2:12:15 shots
2:12:16 either
2:12:16 of you
2:12:16 you’ve
2:12:17 taken
2:12:17 personal
2:12:17 shots
2:12:18 let’s
2:12:18 not
2:12:18 do
2:12:18 it
2:12:19 you guys
2:12:19 are
2:12:19 just
2:12:19 having
2:12:20 fun
2:12:22 let me
2:12:22 respond
2:12:22 he said
2:12:23 there’s
2:12:23 a threat
2:12:25 from
2:12:26 Iranian
2:12:26 missiles
2:12:26 to
2:12:27 America’s
2:12:27 bases
2:12:28 in the
2:12:28 Middle
2:12:28 East
2:12:29 yeah
2:12:29 because
2:12:29 of
2:12:29 Israel
2:12:30 and
2:12:30 because
2:12:30 of
2:12:30 this
2:12:31 war
2:12:32 the first
2:12:32 time
2:12:32 Iran
2:12:33 ever
2:12:33 fired
2:12:33 missiles
2:12:34 at an
2:12:34 American
2:12:34 base
2:12:34 over there
2:12:35 was
2:12:35 in
2:12:36 response
2:12:37 to
2:12:37 Trump
2:12:38 bombing
2:12:38 them
2:12:38 it’s
2:12:38 never
2:12:39 Iran’s
2:12:39 fault
2:12:39 is that
2:12:40 what
2:12:40 everybody
2:12:40 thinks
2:12:41 it was
2:12:42 Iran
2:12:42 who
2:12:42 started
2:12:43 this
2:12:43 let’s
2:12:43 bring
2:12:43 it
2:12:44 back
2:12:44 Scott
2:12:45 Scott
2:12:46 it’s
2:12:46 remarkable
2:12:47 to me
2:12:47 I want
2:12:48 to reiterate
2:12:48 this
2:12:49 and then
2:12:49 Iran
2:12:50 shot
2:12:50 missiles
2:12:51 at
2:12:51 Qatar
2:12:52 and
2:12:52 Iraq
2:12:53 Scott
2:12:53 you’re
2:12:53 a
2:12:53 patriotic
2:12:54 American
2:12:55 God
2:12:55 bless
2:12:55 you
2:12:56 God
2:12:56 bless
2:12:56 the
2:12:56 United
2:12:57 States
2:12:57 thank
2:12:58 you
2:12:58 for
2:12:58 allowing
2:12:58 me
2:12:58 to
2:12:58 come
2:12:59 to
2:12:59 this
2:12:59 country
2:12:59 and
2:13:00 become
2:13:00 an
2:13:00 American
2:13:00 it’s
2:13:01 a
2:13:01 great
2:13:01 country
2:13:02 and
2:13:02 as
2:13:02 a
2:13:03 patriotic
2:13:03 American
2:13:04 I
2:13:05 assume
2:13:06 that
2:13:06 the
2:13:07 United
2:13:07 States
2:13:07 government
2:13:08 and
2:13:08 the
2:13:08 United
2:13:08 States
2:13:09 intelligence
2:13:09 community
2:13:09 and
2:13:09 the
2:13:10 United
2:13:10 States
2:13:10 military
2:13:12 has
2:13:12 America’s
2:13:13 best
2:13:13 interest
2:13:13 at
2:13:14 heart
2:13:14 however
2:13:15 we
2:13:15 have
2:13:15 learned
2:13:16 from
2:13:16 the
2:13:16 history
2:13:16 and
2:13:17 Scott
2:13:17 done
2:13:17 a
2:13:17 very
2:13:17 good
2:13:18 job
2:13:18 of
2:13:18 detailing
2:13:19 this
2:13:19 during
2:13:19 the
2:13:19 Iraq
2:13:20 war
2:13:20 that
2:13:21 the
2:13:21 United
2:13:21 States
2:13:22 gets
2:13:22 it
2:13:22 wrong
2:13:23 I
2:13:24 don’t
2:13:24 think
2:13:24 the
2:13:24 United
2:13:24 States
2:13:25 lied
2:13:25 us
2:13:25 into
2:13:25 war
2:13:26 but
2:13:26 the
2:13:26 United
2:13:26 States
2:13:27 got
2:13:27 it
2:13:27 wrong
2:13:27 so
2:13:27 I
2:13:27 think
2:13:28 Scott’s
2:13:28 right
2:13:28 we
2:13:29 must
2:13:29 make
2:13:29 sure
2:13:29 that
2:13:29 we
2:13:30 learn
2:13:30 the
2:13:30 lessons
2:13:30 of
2:13:31 Iraq
2:13:31 but
2:13:32 not
2:13:32 over
2:13:32 learn
2:13:32 the
2:13:32 lessons
2:13:33 of
2:13:33 Iraq
2:13:33 I
2:13:33 would
2:13:33 also
2:13:34 say
2:13:34 this
2:13:34 there
2:13:35 are
2:13:35 many
2:13:35 lobby
2:13:36 organizations
2:13:36 in
2:13:36 the
2:13:36 United
2:13:37 States
2:13:37 there
2:13:37 is
2:13:37 the
2:13:37 China
2:13:38 lobby
2:13:38 there
2:13:38 is
2:13:38 the
2:13:39 oil
2:13:39 lobby
2:13:40 there
2:13:40 is
2:13:40 the
2:13:41 pharmaceutical
2:13:41 lobby
2:13:42 there
2:13:42 is
2:13:42 the
2:13:42 Qatar
2:13:43 lobby
2:13:43 I
2:13:43 live
2:13:43 in
2:13:44 Washington
2:13:44 I
2:13:44 see
2:13:44 all
2:13:45 these
2:13:45 lobby
2:13:46 organizations
2:13:46 okay
2:13:47 fact of
2:13:47 the
2:13:47 matter
2:13:48 is
2:13:48 the
2:13:49 pro
2:13:49 Israel
2:13:49 lobby
2:13:50 which
2:13:50 actually
2:13:51 lobbies
2:13:51 in
2:13:51 support
2:13:51 of
2:13:52 the
2:13:52 U.S.-Israel
2:13:53 relationship
2:13:53 is
2:13:54 comprised
2:13:54 of
2:13:54 tens
2:13:54 of
2:13:55 millions
2:13:56 of
2:13:56 Christians
2:13:56 and
2:13:57 Jews
2:13:57 and
2:13:58 Hindus
2:13:58 and
2:13:58 yes
2:13:59 Muslims
2:14:00 who
2:14:00 believe
2:14:01 strongly
2:14:01 in
2:14:01 a
2:14:01 strong
2:14:02 U.S.-Israel
2:14:02 relationships
2:14:03 the
2:14:03 reason
2:14:03 that
2:14:04 relationship
2:14:04 has
2:14:04 been
2:14:04 so
2:14:05 strong
2:14:05 over
2:14:05 so
2:14:05 many
2:14:06 years
2:14:06 and
2:14:06 that
2:14:07 this
2:14:07 quote
2:14:07 lobby
2:14:08 has
2:14:08 been
2:14:08 so
2:14:08 successful
2:14:09 is
2:14:09 they’re
2:14:10 pushing
2:14:10 through
2:14:10 an
2:14:10 open
2:14:11 door
2:14:11 with
2:14:11 policymakers
2:14:12 not
2:14:12 because
2:14:13 some
2:14:14 nefarious
2:14:14 money
2:14:15 influence
2:14:15 but
2:14:15 because
2:14:16 at
2:14:16 the
2:14:16 end
2:14:16 of
2:14:16 the
2:14:16 day
2:14:16 the
2:14:16 interests
2:14:17 align
2:14:17 we
2:14:18 counter
2:14:18 terrorism
2:14:19 together
2:14:19 we
2:14:20 counter
2:14:20 nuclear
2:14:21 proliferation
2:14:21 together
2:14:22 and
2:14:22 we
2:14:22 believe
2:14:22 that
2:14:22 the
2:14:23 U.S.-Israel
2:14:23 relationship
2:14:24 is
2:14:24 a
2:14:24 strong
2:14:24 relationship
2:14:25 and
2:14:25 these
2:14:26 accusations
2:14:26 of
2:14:27 dual
2:14:27 loyalty
2:14:27 and
2:14:27 these
2:14:28 accusations
2:14:28 of
2:14:29 Israel
2:14:29 firsters
2:14:29 that
2:14:30 Scott’s
2:14:30 thrown
2:14:30 around
2:14:31 I
2:14:31 think
2:14:32 distract us
2:14:32 from the
2:14:32 conversation
2:14:33 which I
2:14:33 think we
2:14:33 should
2:14:34 return
2:14:34 to
2:14:35 let’s
2:14:35 talk
2:14:35 about
2:14:36 today
2:14:36 we’ve
2:14:36 talked
2:14:36 about
2:14:37 best
2:14:37 case
2:14:37 scenarios
2:14:38 we’ve
2:14:38 talked
2:14:39 about
2:14:40 worst
2:14:40 case
2:14:40 scenarios
2:14:41 and
2:14:41 we
2:14:41 talked
2:14:41 about
2:14:42 really
2:14:42 worst
2:14:42 case
2:14:43 scenarios
2:14:43 so
2:14:43 I
2:14:43 think
2:14:44 let’s
2:14:44 talk
2:14:44 about
2:14:45 the
2:14:45 way
2:14:45 forward
2:14:45 and
2:14:46 I’d
2:14:46 be
2:14:46 interested
2:14:46 in
2:14:46 hearing
2:14:47 from
2:14:47 Scott
2:14:47 where
2:14:48 he
2:14:48 thinks
2:14:48 we’re
2:14:48 going
2:14:49 and
2:14:49 I’m
2:14:49 certainly
2:14:50 I
2:14:51 don’t
2:14:51 crystal ball
2:14:51 these
2:14:52 things
2:14:52 it’s
2:14:52 always
2:14:52 difficult
2:14:52 to
2:14:53 predict
2:14:53 but
2:14:54 I
2:14:54 think
2:14:55 President
2:14:55 Trump
2:14:55 has
2:14:55 done
2:14:57 a
2:14:57 really
2:14:57 good
2:14:58 job
2:14:58 he has
2:14:58 led
2:14:59 this
2:15:00 right
2:15:00 he
2:15:00 has
2:15:00 not
2:15:01 been
2:15:01 you
2:15:01 know
2:15:02 the
2:15:03 at
2:15:03 the
2:15:03 beck and
2:15:04 call
2:15:04 of
2:15:04 Bibi
2:15:05 Netanyahu
2:15:05 or
2:15:06 Mohammed
2:15:06 bin
2:15:06 Salman
2:15:06 of
2:15:07 Saudi
2:15:07 Arabia
2:15:07 or
2:15:08 anyone
2:15:08 else
2:15:08 he
2:15:08 has
2:15:09 led
2:15:09 this
2:15:09 effort
2:15:09 he
2:15:09 has
2:15:10 made
2:15:10 these
2:15:10 decisions
2:15:11 this
2:15:11 is
2:15:11 a
2:15:11 man
2:15:12 who
2:15:12 throughout
2:15:12 his
2:15:13 entire
2:15:13 career
2:15:14 and
2:15:14 not
2:15:14 just
2:15:14 his
2:15:15 political
2:15:15 career
2:15:15 but
2:15:15 many
2:15:16 years
2:15:17 before
2:15:17 that
2:15:18 believed
2:15:18 that
2:15:18 an
2:15:18 Iranian
2:15:19 nuclear
2:15:19 weapon
2:15:20 was
2:15:20 a
2:15:20 threat
2:15:20 to
2:15:20 the
2:15:20 United
2:15:21 States
2:15:21 of
2:15:21 America
2:15:22 not
2:15:22 just
2:15:22 to
2:15:23 our
2:15:23 allies
2:15:23 but
2:15:23 the
2:15:23 United
2:15:24 States
2:15:24 of
2:15:24 America
2:15:24 and
2:15:24 he’s
2:15:24 been
2:15:25 very
2:15:25 clear
2:15:25 on
2:15:26 record
2:15:26 he
2:15:26 led
2:15:27 this
2:15:27 campaign
2:15:27 since
2:15:28 he
2:15:28 started
2:15:28 in
2:15:28 January
2:15:29 he
2:15:29 offered
2:15:30 negotiations
2:15:31 he
2:15:31 got
2:15:31 rebuffed
2:15:31 by
2:15:32 the
2:15:32 Iranians
2:15:32 in
2:15:32 Oman
2:15:33 he
2:15:33 put
2:15:34 pressure
2:15:34 on
2:15:34 the
2:15:34 regime
2:15:35 economically
2:15:36 he
2:15:36 continued
2:15:36 to
2:15:37 offer
2:15:38 negotiations
2:15:38 he
2:15:39 offered
2:15:39 a
2:15:39 very
2:15:39 good
2:15:40 something
2:15:40 that
2:15:40 I
2:15:40 thought
2:15:40 was
2:15:41 flawed
2:15:42 I
2:15:42 mean
2:15:43 Lex
2:15:43 I
2:15:43 gotta
2:15:43 tell
2:15:43 you
2:15:43 the
2:15:44 offer
2:15:44 in
2:15:44 Oman
2:15:45 that
2:15:45 he
2:15:45 gave
2:15:46 to
2:15:46 the
2:15:46 Iranians
2:15:46 I
2:15:46 thought
2:15:47 it
2:15:47 was
2:15:47 flawed
2:15:47 because
2:15:48 I
2:15:48 think
2:15:48 it
2:15:48 allowed
2:15:48 Iran
2:15:49 to
2:15:49 retain
2:15:49 this
2:15:49 key
2:15:50 enrichment
2:15:50 capability
2:15:51 the
2:15:51 Iranians
2:15:52 turned
2:15:52 it
2:15:52 down
2:15:53 and
2:15:53 I
2:15:53 think
2:15:54 Khamenei
2:15:54 to
2:15:55 his
2:15:55 everlasting
2:15:56 regret
2:16:02 they
2:16:03 deserve
2:16:03 and
2:16:04 yet
2:16:04 I
2:16:04 rejected
2:16:05 it
2:16:05 why
2:16:05 did
2:16:05 I
2:16:06 reject
2:16:06 it
2:16:06 because
2:16:07 now
2:16:07 look
2:16:07 what’s
2:16:07 happened
2:16:07 in
2:16:07 the
2:16:08 past
2:16:08 12
2:16:08 days
2:16:09 you
2:16:09 know
2:16:09 I’ve
2:16:09 lost
2:16:10 Fordow
2:16:11 mostly
2:16:11 we’ll
2:16:11 see
2:16:11 what
2:16:11 happens
2:16:11 on
2:16:12 the
2:16:12 BDA
2:16:12 the
2:16:13 battle
2:16:13 damage
2:16:13 assessment
2:16:14 I’ve
2:16:14 certainly
2:16:14 lost
2:16:15 Natanz
2:16:16 I’ve
2:16:17 lost
2:16:17 my
2:16:17 conversion
2:16:18 facility
2:16:18 at
2:16:19 Isfahan
2:16:19 which
2:16:20 converts
2:16:24 yellow
2:16:25 cake
2:16:25 into
2:16:25 uranium
2:16:26 hexafluoride
2:16:27 to pump
2:16:27 into
2:16:27 centrifuge
2:16:28 and
2:16:28 the
2:16:28 most
2:16:28 important
2:16:28 thing
2:16:29 I
2:16:29 lost
2:16:29 at
2:16:32 enriched
2:16:33 uranium
2:16:34 and
2:16:34 turns
2:16:34 it
2:16:34 into
2:16:35 uranium
2:16:35 metal
2:16:36 without
2:16:36 uranium
2:16:36 metal
2:16:36 they
2:16:36 don’t
2:16:37 have
2:16:37 any
2:16:38 90%
2:16:38 enriched
2:16:38 uranium
2:16:39 he
2:16:39 just
2:16:39 means
2:16:40 hypothetically
2:16:41 if they
2:16:41 did
2:16:41 have
2:16:41 some
2:16:42 you
2:16:42 know
2:16:43 the
2:16:44 60%
2:16:44 that’s
2:16:45 99%
2:16:45 of the
2:16:45 way
2:16:45 to
2:16:46 90%
2:16:46 enriched
2:16:46 uranium
2:16:47 by the
2:16:47 way
2:16:47 you
2:16:47 can
2:16:48 make
2:16:48 a
2:16:48 crude
2:16:49 nuclear
2:16:49 device
2:16:49 with
2:16:50 60%
2:16:50 enriched
2:16:50 uranium
2:16:50 I
2:16:51 just
2:16:51 want
2:16:51 to
2:16:51 put
2:16:52 that
2:16:52 on
2:16:52 the
2:16:52 record
2:16:53 but
2:16:53 he
2:16:53 lost
2:16:54 that
2:16:54 key
2:16:54 conversion
2:16:55 facility
2:16:55 that
2:16:55 turns
2:16:56 90%
2:16:56 enriched
2:16:57 uranium
2:16:57 or
2:16:57 even
2:16:58 60%
2:16:58 enriched
2:16:59 uranium
2:16:59 into
2:17:00 uranium
2:17:00 metal
2:17:01 you
2:17:01 need
2:17:01 uranium
2:17:02 metal
2:17:02 to
2:17:03 fashion
2:17:03 a
2:17:03 crude
2:17:04 nuclear
2:17:04 device
2:17:04 or
2:17:04 a
2:17:05 warhead
2:17:05 that’s
2:17:05 been
2:17:06 destroyed
2:17:07 and
2:17:07 I
2:17:07 just
2:17:08 when I was
2:17:08 coming in
2:17:08 this
2:17:08 morning
2:17:09 I
2:17:09 just
2:17:09 checked
2:17:09 I
2:17:09 thought
2:17:10 it was
2:17:10 interesting
2:17:11 been a
2:17:11 whole lot
2:17:11 of
2:17:12 discussion
2:17:12 about
2:17:12 the
2:17:12 fact
2:17:13 that
2:17:13 about
2:17:14 12
2:17:14 or
2:17:15 16
2:17:15 trucks
2:17:15 showed
2:17:15 up
2:17:16 at
2:17:16 Fordow
2:17:17 in
2:17:17 the
2:17:17 days
2:17:17 before
2:17:18 the
2:17:19 US
2:17:19 strikes
2:17:20 and
2:17:20 moved
2:17:21 something
2:17:21 out
2:17:21 for
2:17:22 Fordow
2:17:22 well
2:17:23 according
2:17:23 to
2:17:23 reports
2:17:24 just
2:17:24 this
2:17:24 morning
2:17:24 we’ll
2:17:25 see
2:17:25 if
2:17:25 they’re
2:17:25 verified
2:17:26 I
2:17:26 don’t
2:17:26 trust
2:17:27 single
2:17:27 sourcing
2:17:28 I
2:17:28 don’t
2:17:28 trust
2:17:28 what
2:17:28 some
2:17:29 reporter
2:17:29 just
2:17:29 says
2:17:30 in
2:17:30 their
2:17:30 stories
2:17:31 because
2:17:31 reporters
2:17:31 got it
2:17:32 wrong
2:17:32 over
2:17:32 and
2:17:32 over
2:17:32 again
2:17:33 especially
2:17:33 all
2:17:33 the
2:17:33 ones
2:17:33 who
2:17:34 accused
2:17:34 President
2:17:34 Trump
2:17:35 have
2:17:35 been
2:17:35 a
2:17:35 Russian
2:17:36 agent
2:17:36 but
2:17:36 we’ll
2:17:36 see
2:17:37 what
2:17:37 happens
2:17:37 we’ll
2:17:37 see
2:17:37 if
2:17:37 it’s
2:17:38 verified
2:17:38 but
2:17:39 according
2:17:39 to
2:17:39 the
2:17:39 reports
2:17:40 most
2:17:41 of
2:17:41 the
2:17:41 material
2:17:51 was
2:17:52 listening
2:17:52 to
2:17:52 lots
2:17:53 of
2:17:53 voices
2:17:54 and
2:17:54 we
2:17:54 can
2:17:54 name
2:17:54 the
2:17:55 voices
2:17:55 or
2:17:55 we
2:17:55 can
2:17:55 just
2:17:56 talk
2:17:56 to
2:17:56 them
2:17:57 about
2:17:57 a
2:17:57 collective
2:17:58 who
2:17:59 they
2:17:59 thought
2:17:59 were
2:18:00 telling
2:18:00 Trump
2:18:01 don’t
2:18:01 do
2:18:01 it
2:18:02 and
2:18:02 we’re
2:18:03 telling
2:18:03 Trump
2:18:03 don’t
2:18:03 do
2:18:04 it
2:18:04 and
2:18:04 Trump
2:18:04 decided
2:18:05 on
2:18:05 his
2:18:05 own
2:18:06 to
2:18:06 do
2:18:06 it
2:18:06 so
2:18:06 they
2:18:06 kept
2:18:07 the
2:18:07 enriched
2:18:07 material
2:18:08 at
2:18:08 Fordow
2:18:08 and
2:18:09 if
2:18:09 that’s
2:18:09 the
2:18:09 case
2:18:10 it
2:18:10 may
2:18:10 be
2:18:10 that
2:18:10 much
2:18:11 of
2:18:11 it
2:18:11 was
2:18:11 destroyed
2:18:12 again
2:18:12 caveat
2:18:13 it’s
2:18:13 just
2:18:14 one
2:18:14 or
2:18:14 two
2:18:15 stories
2:18:15 right
2:18:15 now
2:18:16 one
2:18:16 in
2:18:17 NBC
2:18:17 news
2:18:18 and
2:18:19 let’s
2:18:19 see
2:18:19 what
2:18:19 happens
2:18:19 over
2:18:20 the
2:18:20 coming
2:18:20 days
2:18:20 but
2:18:20 if
2:18:21 that’s
2:18:21 the
2:18:21 case
2:18:22 that
2:18:23 material
2:18:23 may
2:18:24 have
2:18:24 been
2:18:24 destroyed
2:18:25 one
2:18:25 other
2:18:26 element
2:18:26 that
2:18:26 we
2:18:26 haven’t
2:18:26 even
2:18:27 talked
2:18:27 about
2:18:27 at
2:18:27 all
2:18:27 today
2:18:28 which
2:18:28 I
2:18:28 think
2:18:28 your
2:18:29 listeners
2:18:29 should
2:18:29 be
2:18:29 aware
2:18:30 of
2:18:30 we
2:18:31 talked
2:18:31 a lot
2:18:31 about
2:18:32 nuclear
2:18:33 weapons
2:18:33 development
2:18:34 warhead
2:18:34 development
2:18:35 what
2:18:35 the
2:18:35 Israelis
2:18:35 did
2:18:36 was
2:18:36 they
2:18:36 took
2:18:36 out
2:18:37 the
2:18:37 top
2:18:37 15
2:18:38 nuclear
2:18:39 weapons
2:18:39 scientists
2:18:40 who
2:18:40 have
2:18:41 been
2:18:41 part
2:18:41 of
2:18:41 remember
2:18:41 I
2:18:42 talked
2:18:42 about
2:18:42 that
2:18:42 original
2:18:43 Ahmaud
2:18:43 program
2:18:44 and the
2:18:45 development
2:18:45 of those
2:18:45 five
2:18:46 atomic
2:18:46 weapons
2:18:47 well
2:18:47 some
2:18:47 of
2:18:48 them
2:18:48 who
2:18:48 are
2:18:48 old
2:18:49 enough
2:18:49 come
2:18:49 from
2:18:49 the
2:18:50 Ahmaud
2:18:50 program
2:18:51 which
2:18:51 is
2:18:51 the
2:18:51 early
2:18:52 2000s
2:18:53 some
2:18:53 of
2:18:53 them
2:18:53 are
2:18:53 new
2:18:53 but
2:18:54 they’ve
2:18:54 been
2:18:54 or
2:18:54 not
2:18:54 new
2:18:54 but
2:18:55 younger
2:18:55 and
2:18:55 they’ve
2:18:55 been
2:18:56 trained
2:18:56 by
2:18:57 the
2:18:57 veterans
2:18:58 the
2:18:58 15
2:18:58 top
2:18:59 guys
2:18:59 taken
2:19:00 out
2:19:00 that
2:19:00 is
2:19:01 akin
2:19:01 to
2:19:02 it’s
2:19:03 January
2:19:03 or
2:19:03 February
2:19:04 45
2:19:05 and
2:19:05 the
2:19:05 entire
2:19:07 central
2:19:07 team
2:19:07 of
2:19:08 Oppenheimer
2:19:08 gets
2:19:09 eliminated
2:19:10 three
2:19:10 to
2:19:10 four
2:19:10 months
2:19:11 between
2:19:11 the
2:19:11 Trinity
2:19:12 test
2:19:12 before
2:19:12 the
2:19:12 Trinity
2:19:13 test
2:19:13 where
2:19:13 we
2:19:14 explode
2:19:14 our
2:19:14 first
2:19:15 nuclear
2:19:15 weapon
2:19:15 so
2:19:16 I
2:19:16 would
2:19:16 say
2:19:17 significant
2:19:17 damage
2:19:18 to
2:19:18 Iran’s
2:19:18 nuclear
2:19:19 weapons
2:19:19 program
2:19:20 suggests
2:19:20 that
2:19:20 we
2:19:21 potentially
2:19:21 have
2:19:22 rolled
2:19:22 them
2:19:22 back
2:19:23 for
2:19:23 years
2:19:24 I
2:19:24 don’t
2:19:24 know
2:19:24 how
2:19:24 many
2:19:25 years
2:19:25 and
2:19:25 all
2:19:25 those
2:19:26 technical
2:19:26 assessments
2:19:26 are
2:19:27 still
2:19:27 to
2:19:27 come
2:19:28 but
2:19:28 significant
2:19:29 damage
2:19:29 so
2:19:29 the
2:19:30 question
2:19:30 as I
2:19:30 said
2:19:31 is
2:19:32 have
2:19:32 they
2:19:32 retained
2:19:32 enough
2:19:33 capabilities
2:19:34 that
2:19:34 they’ve
2:19:34 squirreled
2:19:35 away
2:19:35 stored
2:19:35 in
2:19:36 covert
2:19:36 sites
2:19:37 put
2:19:37 under
2:19:37 deeply
2:19:38 buried
2:19:38 tunnels
2:19:39 to
2:19:39 break
2:19:39 out
2:19:39 to
2:19:40 nuclear
2:19:40 weapons
2:19:41 that’s
2:19:41 Scott’s
2:19:41 concern
2:19:42 it’s
2:19:42 my
2:19:42 concern
2:19:43 Lex
2:19:43 I’m
2:19:43 sure
2:19:43 it’s
2:19:43 your
2:19:44 concern
2:19:44 that
2:19:44 they
2:19:44 could
2:19:45 do
2:19:45 that
2:19:45 or
2:19:46 have
2:19:46 they
2:19:47 set
2:19:47 back
2:19:47 the
2:19:47 program
2:19:48 so
2:19:48 significantly
2:19:49 that
2:19:49 Khamenei
2:19:50 then has
2:19:50 to
2:19:51 decide
2:19:51 will
2:19:52 I
2:19:52 be
2:19:52 inviting
2:19:53 another
2:19:53 Israeli
2:19:53 and or
2:19:54 US
2:19:54 attack
2:19:55 if
2:19:55 I
2:19:55 try
2:19:55 to
2:19:56 break
2:19:56 out
2:19:56 and
2:19:56 if
2:19:56 I
2:19:57 do
2:19:57 do
2:19:58 I
2:19:58 risk
2:19:58 my
2:19:58 regime
2:19:59 who
2:19:59 thinks
2:19:59 that
2:19:59 if
2:20:00 they
2:20:00 break
2:20:00 out
2:20:00 and
2:20:00 try
2:20:00 to
2:20:01 start
2:20:01 making
2:20:01 nukes
2:20:02 now
2:20:02 that
2:20:03 any
2:20:03 hawk
2:20:04 supporting
2:20:04 this
2:20:04 war
2:20:04 will
2:20:04 take
2:20:05 responsibility
2:20:05 for
2:20:06 driving
2:20:06 them
2:20:06 to
2:20:06 it
2:20:07 so
2:20:07 the
2:20:08 suggestion
2:20:08 you’re
2:20:08 making
2:20:08 is
2:20:10 we’re
2:20:10 actually
2:20:10 driving
2:20:12 of course
2:20:12 to doing
2:20:12 the
2:20:12 opposite
2:20:13 we’re
2:20:13 actually
2:20:13 driving
2:20:14 them
2:20:14 to
2:20:14 develop
2:20:14 nuclear
2:20:15 weapons
2:20:15 that’s
2:20:23 program
2:20:23 well
2:20:24 let’s
2:20:24 not
2:20:24 take
2:20:24 him
2:20:25 at
2:20:25 his
2:20:25 word
2:20:25 again
2:20:26 I
2:20:26 never
2:20:27 said
2:20:28 in
2:20:28 this
2:20:28 conversation
2:20:29 trust
2:20:29 the
2:20:30 ayatollah
2:20:31 he did
2:20:31 yeah but
2:20:32 you said
2:20:32 that the
2:20:32 ayatollah
2:20:33 doesn’t want
2:20:33 a nuclear
2:20:33 weapons
2:20:34 program
2:20:34 Scott
2:20:34 you were
2:20:35 very
2:20:35 clear
2:20:35 about
2:20:35 that
2:20:36 what
2:20:36 I
2:20:36 said
2:20:36 what
2:20:37 I
2:20:37 never
2:20:37 wanted
2:20:38 a nuclear
2:20:38 weapons
2:20:38 program
2:20:39 are you
2:20:39 going
2:20:39 back
2:20:40 on
2:20:40 that
2:20:40 now
2:20:40 Jesus
2:20:40 Christ
2:20:41 what I
2:20:41 was
2:20:41 very
2:20:42 clear
2:20:42 about
2:20:42 from
2:20:42 my
2:20:43 very
2:20:43 first
2:20:43 statement
2:20:44 when
2:20:44 we
2:20:44 sat
2:20:45 down
2:20:45 was
2:20:45 that
2:20:45 the
2:20:46 ayatollah
2:20:46 was
2:20:46 building
2:20:47 himself
2:20:47 a
2:20:47 latent
2:20:48 nuclear
2:20:48 deterrent
2:20:49 putting
2:20:50 Iran
2:20:50 as
2:20:50 what
2:20:50 they
2:20:50 call
2:20:50 a
2:20:51 threshold
2:20:52 nuclear
2:20:52 weapons
2:20:52 state
2:20:53 just like
2:20:54 Brazil
2:20:54 and Germany
2:20:55 and Japan
2:20:56 so everyone
2:20:56 knows
2:20:57 they have
2:20:57 mastered
2:20:57 the fuel
2:20:58 cycle
2:20:58 they could
2:20:59 enrich
2:20:59 uranium
2:21:00 up to
2:21:00 90%
2:21:01 don’t
2:21:01 make
2:21:01 me
2:21:02 do
2:21:02 it
2:21:02 that
2:21:02 was
2:21:02 his
2:21:03 position
2:21:05 did
2:21:05 you ever
2:21:05 hear
2:21:06 me
2:21:06 say
2:21:08 anything
2:21:08 about
2:21:08 believing
2:21:09 the
2:21:09 ayatollah
2:21:10 saying
2:21:10 he only
2:21:10 wanted
2:21:11 an
2:21:11 electricity
2:21:12 program
2:21:12 this
2:21:12 is
2:21:13 why
2:21:14 enrichment
2:21:14 is
2:21:15 a
2:21:15 red
2:21:15 line
2:21:16 it’s
2:21:16 because
2:21:16 if
2:21:17 all
2:21:17 the
2:21:17 enrichment
2:21:17 is
2:21:18 done
2:21:18 overseas
2:21:19 somewhere
2:21:20 then it’s
2:21:20 not a
2:21:20 latent
2:21:21 nuclear
2:21:21 deterrent
2:21:22 at all
2:21:22 so it’s
2:21:22 a red
2:21:22 line
2:21:23 for you
2:21:23 as well
2:21:24 as for me
2:21:24 we agree
2:21:24 Scott
2:21:25 I’m saying
2:21:25 it’s a
2:21:25 red
2:21:26 line
2:21:26 for the
2:21:27 ayatollah
2:21:27 that he’s
2:21:27 clearly
2:21:28 not going
2:21:28 to give
2:21:29 in on
2:21:30 and it’s
2:21:30 a poison
2:21:31 pill
2:21:31 by the
2:21:32 Israelis
2:21:32 in the
2:21:33 west
2:21:33 they know
2:21:33 he’s
2:21:33 never
2:21:34 going
2:21:34 to
2:21:34 give
2:21:34 up
2:21:35 enrichment
2:21:36 100%
2:21:37 because
2:21:37 that’s
2:21:38 the whole
2:21:38 point
2:21:38 of it
2:21:39 so it’s
2:21:45 that’s
2:21:45 his
2:21:45 official
2:21:46 position
2:21:46 or if
2:21:46 it is
2:21:46 it’s
2:21:47 with a
2:21:47 strong
2:21:48 implication
2:21:48 as
2:21:49 everyone
2:21:49 understands
2:21:50 that
2:21:51 it’s
2:21:51 a
2:21:52 latent
2:21:52 nuclear
2:21:53 weapons
2:21:53 capability
2:21:54 and
2:21:54 a
2:21:55 potential
2:21:56 actual
2:21:57 nuclear
2:21:57 weapons
2:21:57 capability
2:21:58 will
2:21:59 have
2:21:59 to
2:21:59 include
2:21:59 enrichment
2:22:00 yes
2:22:01 that is
2:22:01 a
2:22:01 red
2:22:01 line
2:22:01 he
2:22:01 will
2:22:01 move
2:22:02 up
2:22:02 yes
2:22:02 and
2:22:02 then
2:22:03 the
2:22:03 thing
2:22:03 is
2:22:03 too
2:22:03 just like
2:22:04 I was
2:22:04 saying
2:22:04 before
2:22:05 if
2:22:05 Trump
2:22:06 had
2:22:06 come
2:22:06 in
2:22:06 in
2:22:07 2017
2:22:08 and
2:22:08 said
2:22:08 screw
2:22:09 this
2:22:09 I
2:22:09 hate
2:22:09 this
2:22:10 deal
2:22:10 and
2:22:10 then
2:22:10 got
2:22:10 on
2:22:11 a
2:22:11 plane
2:22:11 and
2:22:11 flown
2:22:12 straight
2:22:12 to
2:22:12 Tehran
2:22:13 and
2:22:13 said
2:22:14 or
2:22:14 you
2:22:14 know
2:22:14 sent
2:22:14 his
2:22:15 guys
2:22:15 and
2:22:16 said
2:22:16 now
2:22:16 listen
2:22:16 here
2:22:17 Ayatollah
2:22:17 I want
2:22:18 to fix
2:22:18 this
2:22:18 deal
2:22:19 up
2:22:28 again
2:22:28 I
2:22:28 criticized
2:22:29 the
2:22:29 CIA
2:22:29 and
2:22:29 FBI
2:22:29 for
2:22:30 framing
2:22:30 Trump
2:22:30 for
2:22:30 treason
2:22:31 for
2:22:31 preventing
2:22:31 him
2:22:32 for
2:22:32 being
2:22:32 able
2:22:32 to
2:22:33 work
2:22:33 with
2:22:33 the
2:22:33 Russians
2:22:33 to
2:22:34 see
2:22:34 if
2:22:34 maybe
2:22:34 they
2:22:34 could
2:22:34 put
2:22:35 pressure
2:22:35 on
2:22:35 the
2:22:35 Ayatollah
2:22:36 to
2:22:36 deal
2:22:36 with
2:22:36 him
2:22:37 but
2:22:37 I
2:22:58 if
2:22:59 necessary
2:23:00 to
2:23:00 weapons
2:23:01 great
2:23:01 if
2:23:01 a
2:23:02 crisis
2:23:02 breaks
2:23:02 out
2:23:02 and
2:23:03 he
2:23:03 feels
2:23:03 like
2:23:03 he
2:23:03 has
2:23:03 to
2:23:04 make
2:23:04 nukes
2:23:04 but
2:23:05 he
2:23:05 had
2:23:06 no
2:23:07 stockpile
2:23:07 to
2:23:08 enrich
2:23:08 this
2:23:08 whole
2:23:08 thing
2:23:08 about
2:23:09 99%
2:23:09 of
2:23:09 the
2:23:09 way
2:23:10 there
2:23:10 he
2:23:10 had
2:23:10 no
2:23:11 stockpile
2:23:12 so
2:23:12 even
2:23:12 if
2:23:12 you
2:23:13 count
2:23:14 gassing
2:23:14 up
2:23:14 your
2:23:15 truck
2:23:15 on
2:23:15 the
2:23:15 way
2:23:15 to
2:23:15 the
2:23:15 mine
2:23:16 as
2:23:16 part
2:23:16 of
2:23:16 this
2:23:17 long
2:23:17 time
2:23:17 scale
2:23:17 of
2:23:18 percentages
2:23:18 here
2:23:19 they
2:23:19 were
2:23:19 much
2:23:20 further
2:23:21 from
2:23:21 a
2:23:21 under
2:23:21 the
2:23:21 deal
2:23:22 which
2:23:22 he
2:23:22 agrees
2:23:22 we
2:23:23 shouldn’t
2:23:23 have
2:23:23 even
2:23:23 gotten
2:23:24 out
2:23:24 of
2:23:24 can
2:23:24 I
2:23:24 say
2:23:25 technically
2:23:25 just
2:23:25 I
2:23:25 think
2:23:25 again
2:23:26 important
2:23:26 for
2:23:26 your
2:23:27 listeners
2:23:27 to
2:23:27 understand
2:23:28 under
2:23:28 the
2:23:29 JCPOA
2:23:31 Iran
2:23:31 is
2:23:31 allowed
2:23:32 to
2:23:32 keep
2:23:32 a
2:23:33 stockpile
2:23:33 of
2:23:34 maximum
2:23:35 300
2:23:35 kilograms
2:23:35 as I
2:23:36 remember
2:23:37 3.67%
2:23:38 enriched
2:23:38 material
2:23:39 they’re
2:23:39 allowed
2:23:39 to
2:23:39 continue
2:23:40 to
2:23:40 enrich
2:23:41 as
2:23:41 long
2:23:41 as
2:23:42 if
2:23:42 they
2:23:42 go
2:23:42 over
2:23:43 the
2:23:43 300
2:23:43 kilogram
2:23:44 they
2:23:44 have
2:23:44 to
2:23:45 send
2:23:45 that
2:23:45 out
2:23:45 to
2:23:47 Russia
2:23:48 to
2:23:48 blend
2:23:48 down
2:23:49 and
2:23:49 so
2:23:49 they
2:23:50 kept
2:23:50 the
2:23:50 enrichment
2:23:51 capability
2:23:51 the
2:23:52 ability
2:23:52 to
2:23:52 enrich
2:23:53 they
2:23:53 did
2:23:54 keep
2:23:54 a
2:23:54 stockpile
2:23:55 Scott’s
2:23:56 right
2:23:56 they
2:23:56 weren’t
2:23:56 able
2:23:57 to
2:23:57 they’re
2:23:57 not
2:23:57 allowed
2:23:58 in
2:23:58 those
2:23:58 early
2:23:59 years
2:23:59 to
2:23:59 go
2:23:59 under
2:24:00 3.67%
2:24:01 they
2:24:01 would
2:24:01 be
2:24:03 allowed
2:24:03 to
2:24:03 go
2:24:03 to
2:24:04 20%
2:24:04 and
2:24:04 60%
2:24:04 and
2:24:05 90%
2:24:05 as
2:24:05 the
2:24:06 restrictions
2:24:07 sunsetted
2:24:07 but
2:24:07 they
2:24:08 were
2:24:08 able
2:24:08 to
2:24:08 keep
2:24:08 all
2:24:09 of
2:24:09 those
2:24:09 keep
2:24:10 capabilities
2:24:10 so
2:24:10 I
2:24:10 just
2:24:10 want
2:24:10 to
2:24:16 comment
2:24:16 on
2:24:16 the
2:24:17 so
2:24:17 called
2:24:18 Operation
2:24:18 Midnight
2:24:18 Hammer
2:24:20 now
2:24:20 that
2:24:20 we
2:24:20 can
2:24:21 look
2:24:21 back
2:24:21 at
2:24:21 it
2:24:22 what
2:24:22 parts
2:24:23 were
2:24:23 successful
2:24:24 or
2:24:25 what
2:24:25 parts
2:24:25 were
2:24:25 a
2:24:25 mistake
2:24:26 was
2:24:26 the
2:24:26 whole
2:24:27 operation
2:24:27 a
2:24:28 mistake
2:24:29 that
2:24:29 accelerates
2:24:30 the Iran
2:24:31 nuclear
2:24:31 program
2:24:31 or the
2:24:32 incentives
2:24:32 for it
2:24:33 or is
2:24:33 there
2:24:33 some
2:24:33 components
2:24:33 that
2:24:34 actually
2:24:34 is
2:24:34 a
2:24:35 disincentive
2:24:36 for Iran
2:24:37 to develop
2:24:37 the
2:24:37 program
2:24:37 and
2:24:38 then
2:24:38 maybe
2:24:38 you
2:24:38 can
2:24:38 comment
2:24:38 on
2:24:39 the
2:24:39 same
2:24:39 it
2:24:39 be
2:24:39 nice
2:24:40 to
2:24:40 get
2:24:40 comments
2:24:40 I
2:24:40 think
2:24:41 we
2:24:41 really
2:24:41 don’t
2:24:41 know
2:24:42 right
2:24:42 there’s
2:24:43 some
2:24:43 initial
2:24:43 battle
2:24:44 assessments
2:24:44 and
2:24:45 arguments
2:24:45 and
2:24:45 all
2:24:45 that
2:24:46 about
2:24:46 just
2:24:46 how
2:24:46 much
2:24:46 was
2:24:47 destroyed
2:24:47 and
2:24:47 what
2:24:48 and
2:24:48 we
2:24:48 don’t
2:24:48 know
2:24:48 exactly
2:24:49 what
2:24:49 their
2:24:49 reaction
2:24:49 is
2:24:50 going
2:24:50 to
2:24:50 be
2:24:52 the
2:24:53 you
2:24:53 know
2:24:53 there
2:24:53 were
2:24:54 reports
2:24:54 of
2:24:54 them
2:24:54 saying
2:24:54 hey
2:24:55 we’re
2:24:55 already
2:24:55 starting
2:24:56 up
2:24:56 a
2:24:56 new
2:24:57 facility
2:24:57 somewhere
2:24:58 else
2:24:58 there
2:24:59 were
2:24:59 reports
2:24:59 where
2:24:59 they
2:24:59 said
2:25:00 hey
2:25:00 a lot
2:25:00 of
2:25:00 our
2:25:01 centrifuge
2:25:01 just
2:25:01 survived
2:25:02 and
2:25:02 we’re
2:25:02 going
2:25:11 the
2:25:11 apocalyptic
2:25:11 threat
2:25:12 of
2:25:12 the
2:25:12 I told
2:25:12 which
2:25:12 mark
2:25:13 has
2:25:13 not
2:25:13 made
2:25:13 but
2:25:14 which
2:25:14 israel
2:25:15 hawks
2:25:15 often
2:25:15 do
2:25:16 that
2:25:16 these
2:25:16 guys
2:25:16 just
2:25:17 can’t
2:25:17 wait
2:25:17 to
2:25:17 get
2:25:17 into
2:25:17 a
2:25:18 war
2:25:18 in
2:25:18 all
2:25:18 this
2:25:19 in
2:25:19 fact
2:25:19 if you
2:25:20 look
2:25:20 at
2:25:20 well
2:25:20 they’re
2:25:20 in
2:25:21 a war
2:25:21 but
2:25:21 if
2:25:21 you
2:25:24 interrupt
2:25:24 me
2:25:24 every
2:25:25 time
2:25:25 I try
2:25:26 to say
2:25:26 you’re
2:25:27 mischaracterizing
2:25:27 what I’m
2:25:28 saying
2:25:28 I need
2:25:28 to
2:25:28 clarify
2:25:30 he’s
2:25:30 not
2:25:30 interrupting
2:25:30 every
2:25:30 time
2:25:31 but
2:25:31 sometimes
2:25:32 interrupting
2:25:32 yes
2:25:33 so
2:25:33 try
2:25:34 not
2:25:34 to
2:25:34 interrupt
2:25:34 as
2:25:34 much
2:25:35 go
2:25:36 ahead
2:25:36 Scott
2:25:36 don’t
2:25:37 take
2:25:37 it
2:25:37 personally
2:25:37 come
2:25:38 on
2:25:38 let’s
2:25:38 go
2:25:39 it
2:25:39 seems
2:25:39 like
2:25:39 a
2:25:40 deliberate
2:25:40 attempt
2:25:40 to
2:25:41 obfuscate
2:25:42 and
2:25:42 and prevent
2:25:43 me
2:25:43 from just
2:25:43 being able
2:25:44 to complete
2:25:45 a point
2:25:45 you know
2:25:45 he does
2:25:45 it
2:25:46 virtually
2:25:46 every
2:25:47 time
2:25:47 no
2:25:47 it’s
2:25:47 not
2:25:48 as a
2:25:48 listener
2:25:48 I’m
2:25:49 enjoying
2:25:49 this
2:25:50 well
2:25:50 look
2:25:50 on
2:25:51 the
2:25:51 face
2:25:51 of
2:25:51 it
2:25:52 they
2:25:52 blew
2:25:52 up
2:25:52 a lot
2:25:52 of
2:25:53 stuff
2:25:53 and
2:25:53 they
2:25:54 made
2:25:54 them
2:25:54 very
2:25:54 angry
2:25:55 so
2:25:55 are
2:25:55 they
2:25:55 going
2:25:55 to
2:25:56 now
2:25:56 give
2:25:56 in
2:25:57 or
2:25:57 they’re
2:25:57 now
2:25:57 going
2:25:57 to
2:25:57 double
2:25:58 down
2:25:58 or
2:25:58 they’re
2:25:59 now
2:25:59 going
2:25:59 to
2:25:59 hold
2:25:59 still
2:25:59 we
2:26:00 don’t
2:26:00 really
2:26:00 know
2:26:01 as I
2:26:01 was
2:26:01 trying
2:26:01 to
2:26:02 explain
2:26:04 from
2:26:04 the
2:26:05 Ayatollah’s
2:26:05 position
2:26:05 that
2:26:06 he’s
2:26:06 in
2:26:07 what
2:26:07 are
2:26:07 you
2:26:08 going
2:26:08 to
2:26:08 do
2:26:08 with
2:26:08 a
2:26:09 problem
2:26:09 like
2:26:09 the
2:26:09 United
2:26:10 States
2:26:10 of
2:26:10 America
2:26:11 right
2:26:11 they
2:26:11 can
2:26:12 chant
2:26:12 great
2:26:12 Satan
2:26:13 this
2:26:22 to
2:26:23 in
2:26:23 fact
2:26:23 even
2:26:24 without
2:26:24 nuclear
2:26:25 weapons
2:26:25 essentially
2:26:26 wipe
2:26:26 their
2:26:27 civilization
2:26:27 off
2:26:27 the
2:26:27 face
2:26:27 of
2:26:27 the
2:26:28 earth
2:26:28 just
2:26:28 with
2:26:29 B-52s
2:26:29 if we
2:26:29 wanted
2:26:29 to
2:26:30 carpet
2:26:30 bomb
2:26:30 their
2:26:30 major
2:26:31 cities
2:26:31 and
2:26:31 they
2:26:32 so
2:26:32 they
2:26:32 know
2:26:33 that
2:26:33 the
2:26:33 Ayatollah
2:26:34 knows
2:26:34 he’s
2:26:34 in a
2:26:35 very
2:26:35 difficult
2:26:35 position
2:26:36 and
2:26:36 look
2:26:36 at
2:26:36 what
2:26:36 he
2:26:37 did
2:26:37 when
2:26:37 they
2:26:38 assassinated
2:26:38 Soleimani
2:26:39 he
2:26:39 sent
2:26:40 essentially
2:26:40 a
2:26:40 symbolic
2:26:41 strike
2:26:41 at
2:26:41 an
2:26:41 empty
2:26:42 corner
2:26:42 of
2:26:42 an
2:26:42 American
2:26:43 base
2:26:43 in
2:26:43 Iraq
2:26:43 it
2:26:43 did
2:26:44 cause
2:26:44 some
2:26:44 concussions
2:26:45 and
2:26:45 head
2:26:45 trauma
2:26:45 but
2:26:46 he
2:26:47 deliberately
2:26:47 did
2:26:47 that
2:26:47 to
2:26:48 not
2:26:48 cause
2:26:48 casualties
2:26:49 and
2:26:49 then
2:26:49 Trump
2:26:49 let
2:26:49 him
2:26:50 have
2:26:50 the
2:26:50 last
2:26:50 word
2:26:51 and
2:26:51 then
2:26:52 also
2:26:52 when
2:26:52 they
2:26:52 shot
2:26:52 down
2:26:52 the
2:26:53 drone
2:26:53 which
2:26:53 I
2:26:53 think
2:26:54 Trump
2:26:54 was
2:26:54 suspicious
2:26:55 that
2:26:55 the
2:26:55 Pentagon
2:26:55 had
2:26:55 flown
2:26:56 that
2:26:56 into
2:26:56 Iranian
2:26:57 airspace
2:26:57 and
2:26:57 they
2:26:58 demanded
2:26:58 strikes
2:26:58 and
2:26:59 Trump
2:26:59 said
2:26:59 no
2:26:59 it’s
2:26:59 just
2:27:00 a
2:27:00 drone
2:27:00 how
2:27:00 many
2:27:01 Iranians
2:27:01 will
2:27:01 die
2:27:02 at
2:27:02 the
2:27:02 base
2:27:02 you
2:27:02 want
2:27:02 to
2:27:13 our
2:27:14 central
2:27:14 command
2:27:15 headquarters
2:27:15 the
2:27:16 al-udid
2:27:17 airbase
2:27:17 in
2:27:18 Qatar
2:27:18 and
2:27:19 also
2:27:19 an
2:27:19 American
2:27:20 base
2:27:21 I think
2:27:21 in
2:27:21 Baghdad
2:27:21 and
2:27:22 I’m
2:27:22 not
2:27:22 sure
2:27:22 about
2:27:23 in
2:27:23 Iraqi
2:27:24 Kurdistan
2:27:24 zero
2:27:25 casualties
2:27:25 so far
2:27:26 so
2:27:27 what
2:27:27 is
2:27:27 going
2:27:27 on
2:27:28 there
2:27:28 essentially
2:27:29 is
2:27:29 he’s
2:27:29 gotta
2:27:30 do
2:27:30 something
2:27:31 he’s
2:27:31 doing
2:27:31 like
2:27:31 these
2:27:32 symbolic
2:27:32 strikes
2:27:33 essentially
2:27:33 to
2:27:33 say
2:27:33 like
2:27:34 hey
2:27:34 you
2:27:34 can’t
2:27:34 do
2:27:35 that
2:27:35 to
2:27:35 me
2:27:35 but
2:27:35 then
2:27:36 he’s
2:27:36 also
2:27:37 telegraphing
2:27:37 that
2:27:38 hey
2:27:38 like
2:27:39 I can’t
2:27:39 do
2:27:39 anything
2:27:39 about
2:27:40 you
2:27:40 and
2:27:40 I
2:27:40 don’t
2:27:41 really
2:27:41 want
2:27:41 to
2:27:41 fight
2:27:42 and
2:27:42 so
2:27:43 in
2:27:43 a
2:27:43 way
2:27:43 he’s
2:27:43 like
2:27:43 kind
2:27:43 of
2:27:44 backing
2:27:44 down
2:27:44 he’s
2:27:44 doing
2:27:45 and
2:27:45 then
2:27:45 what
2:27:45 did
2:27:46 Donald
2:27:46 Trump
2:27:46 say
2:27:47 Donald
2:27:47 Trump
2:27:48 again
2:27:48 let
2:27:48 him
2:27:48 have
2:27:48 the
2:27:48 last
2:27:49 word
2:27:49 and
2:27:49 in
2:27:50 fact
2:27:50 like
2:27:51 bragged
2:27:51 and
2:27:51 mocked
2:27:51 and
2:27:51 said
2:27:52 hey
2:27:52 thanks
2:27:52 Ayatollah
2:27:53 for giving
2:27:53 us
2:27:53 a
2:27:54 warning
2:27:54 that
2:27:54 you
2:27:54 were
2:27:54 about
2:27:55 to
2:27:55 shoot
2:27:55 missiles
2:27:55 at
2:27:56 our
2:27:56 base
2:27:56 so
2:27:56 we
2:27:56 could
2:27:56 be
2:27:56 ready
2:27:57 to
2:27:57 shoot
2:27:57 them
2:27:57 all
2:27:57 down
2:27:58 and
2:27:58 this
2:27:58 kind
2:27:58 of
2:27:58 thing
2:27:58 and
2:27:59 he
2:27:59 said
2:27:59 now
2:27:59 is
2:27:59 the
2:28:00 time
2:28:00 for
2:28:00 peace
2:28:00 in
2:28:00 other
2:28:00 words
2:28:01 Trump
2:28:01 again
2:28:01 letting
2:28:02 the
2:28:02 Ayatollah
2:28:02 get
2:28:02 the
2:28:03 last
2:28:03 word
2:28:03 why
2:28:04 because
2:28:04 the
2:28:05 Ayatollah
2:28:06 he
2:28:06 might
2:28:06 be
2:28:07 a
2:28:07 horrible
2:28:07 leader
2:28:08 if
2:28:08 you
2:28:08 live
2:28:08 in
2:28:09 Iran
2:28:09 but
2:28:09 he
2:28:10 is
2:28:10 not
2:28:11 perfectly
2:28:11 but
2:28:12 essentially
2:28:13 cautious
2:28:13 in
2:28:13 foreign
2:28:14 policy
2:28:15 because
2:28:15 what’s
2:28:15 he
2:28:15 going
2:28:15 to
2:28:15 do
2:28:16 he’s
2:28:16 going
2:28:16 to
2:28:16 decimate
2:28:17 our
2:28:17 naval
2:28:17 base
2:28:17 at
2:28:18 Bahrain
2:28:18 he’s
2:28:18 going
2:28:18 to
2:28:19 slaughter
2:28:19 all
2:28:19 our
2:28:19 troops
2:28:20 in
2:28:20 Kuwait
2:28:21 and
2:28:21 then
2:28:21 what’s
2:28:21 Trump
2:28:21 going
2:28:21 to
2:28:22 do
2:28:22 and
2:28:23 so
2:28:23 the
2:28:23 Ayatollah
2:28:24 knows
2:28:24 so
2:28:25 it’s
2:28:25 the
2:28:25 same
2:28:26 people
2:28:26 who
2:28:27 I
2:28:28 don’t
2:28:28 include
2:28:28 him
2:28:28 in
2:28:28 this
2:28:28 but
2:28:29 you
2:28:29 hear
2:28:29 a lot
2:28:29 of
2:28:30 hawkish
2:28:30 talk
2:28:30 about
2:28:30 just
2:28:31 how
2:28:31 easy
2:28:31 this
2:28:31 has
2:28:32 been
2:28:32 these
2:28:33 same
2:28:33 people
2:28:33 talking
2:28:33 about
2:28:34 what
2:28:34 an
2:28:34 absolutely
2:28:36 irrational
2:28:38 religiously
2:28:39 motivatedly
2:28:40 and
2:28:40 motivated
2:28:40 and
2:28:41 therefore
2:28:42 crazy
2:28:42 and
2:28:43 irrational
2:28:44 group
2:28:44 of
2:28:44 people
2:28:44 the
2:28:44 mullahs
2:28:45 are
2:28:45 and
2:28:45 why
2:28:45 they
2:28:45 can
2:28:45 only
2:28:46 be
2:28:46 dealt
2:28:46 with
2:28:47 with
2:28:47 force
2:28:48 when
2:28:48 in
2:28:48 fact
2:28:49 what
2:28:49 they’re
2:28:49 showing
2:28:50 is
2:28:51 essential
2:28:52 conservatism
2:28:53 trying to
2:28:54 hold on to
2:28:54 what they
2:28:54 got
2:28:55 making a
2:28:55 latent
2:28:55 deterrent
2:28:56 because
2:28:56 they
2:28:56 know
2:28:56 if
2:28:56 they
2:28:56 break
2:28:57 out
2:28:57 toward
2:28:57 a
2:28:57 bomb
2:28:57 that’ll
2:28:58 get
2:28:58 them
2:28:58 bombed
2:28:58 so
2:28:59 they
2:28:59 were
2:28:59 hoping
2:28:59 having
2:28:59 a
2:29:00 latent
2:29:00 deterrent
2:29:00 would
2:29:00 be
2:29:01 enough
2:29:01 to
2:29:02 just
2:29:02 keep
2:29:02 them
2:29:02 at
2:29:02 the
2:29:03 status
2:29:03 quo
2:29:04 that’s
2:29:04 why
2:29:04 it’s
2:29:04 so
2:29:15 close
2:29:15 enough
2:29:15 for
2:29:16 us
2:29:16 so
2:29:16 it
2:29:17 doesn’t
2:29:17 matter
2:29:17 if
2:29:18 the
2:29:18 ayatollahs
2:29:18 decided
2:29:19 to
2:29:19 make
2:29:19 or
2:29:19 nuke
2:29:19 or
2:29:20 not
2:29:20 they’re
2:29:20 just
2:29:20 too
2:29:21 close
2:29:21 to
2:29:21 one
2:29:22 as
2:29:22 it
2:29:22 is
2:29:23 which
2:29:23 is
2:29:23 really
2:29:23 silly
2:29:24 because
2:29:24 they’re
2:29:24 not
2:29:24 much
2:29:25 closer
2:29:25 than
2:29:25 they’ve
2:29:26 been
2:29:26 for
2:29:26 20
2:29:27 years
2:29:27 since
2:29:27 the
2:29:27 W.
2:29:27 Bush
2:29:28 administration
2:29:29 they’ve
2:29:29 mastered
2:29:29 the
2:29:29 fuel
2:29:30 cycle
2:29:30 that
2:29:30 is
2:29:30 one
2:29:30 of
2:29:31 the
2:29:32 disagreements
2:29:32 in
2:29:32 the
2:29:32 room
2:29:33 that
2:29:33 you’re
2:29:33 saying
2:29:34 they
2:29:34 don’t
2:29:34 have
2:29:35 they
2:29:35 really
2:29:35 don’t
2:29:35 have
2:29:36 interest
2:29:36 to
2:29:37 develop
2:29:37 a
2:29:37 nuclear
2:29:38 weapon
2:29:39 and
2:29:39 they’re
2:29:39 not
2:29:40 quite
2:29:40 not
2:29:40 exactly
2:29:41 I mean
2:29:41 I
2:29:41 more
2:29:42 towards
2:29:42 that
2:29:43 direction
2:29:43 than
2:29:44 Mark
2:29:44 is
2:29:44 saying
2:29:45 they’re
2:29:46 saying
2:29:46 look at
2:29:46 us
2:29:46 we’re
2:29:46 a
2:29:47 threshold
2:29:47 state
2:29:48 don’t
2:29:48 push
2:29:48 your
2:29:49 luck
2:29:49 and
2:29:50 force
2:29:51 us
2:29:51 to
2:29:51 make
2:29:51 the
2:29:51 bad
2:29:52 decision
2:29:52 they
2:29:52 now
2:29:53 that’s
2:29:53 an
2:29:53 implication
2:29:53 they
2:29:53 have
2:29:54 not
2:29:54 said
2:29:54 that
2:29:54 outright
2:29:55 but
2:29:55 clearly
2:29:55 the
2:29:56 implication
2:29:56 is
2:29:57 that
2:29:57 if
2:29:57 we
2:29:57 force
2:29:58 them
2:29:58 then
2:29:58 they
2:29:58 will
2:29:59 go
2:29:59 ahead
2:29:59 and
2:30:00 make
2:30:00 a
2:30:00 nuclear
2:30:00 weapon
2:30:01 what
2:30:01 I
2:30:01 mean
2:30:01 is
2:30:01 if
2:30:02 left
2:30:02 on
2:30:02 their
2:30:02 own
2:30:03 devices
2:30:04 they
2:30:04 would
2:30:04 not
2:30:05 develop
2:30:05 that’s
2:30:05 the
2:30:06 case
2:30:06 you’re
2:30:06 making
2:30:06 not
2:30:07 just
2:30:07 on
2:30:07 their
2:30:07 own
2:30:08 devices
2:30:08 but
2:30:08 if
2:30:08 we
2:30:08 were
2:30:08 to
2:30:09 try
2:30:09 to
2:30:09 negotiate
2:30:09 with
2:30:10 them
2:30:10 in
2:30:10 good
2:30:10 faith
2:30:10 and
2:30:11 try
2:30:11 to
2:30:11 have
2:30:11 normal
2:30:12 relations
2:30:12 with
2:30:12 them
2:30:13 that
2:30:13 would
2:30:15 disincentivize
2:30:15 a
2:30:15 nuclear
2:30:15 weapon
2:30:16 even
2:30:16 further
2:30:17 can
2:30:17 you
2:30:17 comment
2:30:18 on
2:30:18 the
2:30:18 mission
2:30:19 operation
2:30:19 sure
2:30:20 couple
2:30:21 things
2:30:21 I
2:30:21 things
2:30:21 were
2:30:21 interesting
2:30:21 what
2:30:22 Scott
2:30:22 said
2:30:22 and
2:30:23 I
2:30:23 agree
2:30:23 with
2:30:23 certainly
2:30:24 with
2:30:24 some
2:30:24 of
2:30:24 it
2:30:25 I
2:30:25 mean
2:30:25 the
2:30:26 first
2:30:26 thing
2:30:26 is
2:30:26 I
2:30:26 do
2:30:27 believe
2:30:27 President
2:30:27 Trump
2:30:27 has
2:30:28 negotiated
2:30:28 in
2:30:28 good
2:30:28 faith
2:30:28 I
2:30:29 mean
2:30:29 he
2:30:29 sent
2:30:29 Steve
2:30:30 Whitcoff
2:30:30 he’s
2:30:30 chief
2:30:31 negotiator
2:30:31 for
2:30:31 five
2:30:32 rounds
2:30:32 of
2:30:32 negotiations
2:30:33 since
2:30:33 he
2:30:33 came
2:30:33 in
2:30:33 office
2:30:34 the
2:30:35 second
2:30:35 is
2:30:35 I
2:30:35 mean
2:30:35 we
2:30:35 can
2:30:35 keep
2:30:36 going
2:30:36 around
2:30:36 in
2:30:36 circles
2:30:37 but
2:30:37 the
2:30:38 fact
2:30:38 of
2:30:38 the
2:30:38 matter
2:30:38 is
2:30:38 I
2:30:38 believe
2:30:39 that
2:30:51 on
2:30:51 the
2:30:51 record
2:30:52 but
2:30:52 where
2:30:52 I
2:30:52 agree
2:30:53 with
2:30:53 Scott
2:30:53 is
2:30:54 and
2:30:54 it’s
2:30:55 interesting
2:30:55 and
2:30:55 I
2:30:55 don’t
2:30:55 know
2:30:55 if
2:30:56 Khamenei
2:30:56 has
2:30:57 changed
2:30:57 in
2:30:58 his
2:30:58 you
2:30:58 know
2:30:58 he’s
2:30:58 86
2:30:58 years
2:30:59 old
2:30:59 he’s
2:30:59 been
2:30:59 in
2:30:59 power
2:31:00 since
2:31:00 1989
2:31:01 and
2:31:01 there’s
2:31:01 a
2:31:01 little
2:31:01 bit
2:31:01 of
2:31:02 history
2:31:02 that
2:31:02 I
2:31:02 think
2:31:02 is
2:31:03 really
2:31:03 interesting
2:31:03 Lex
2:31:04 it
2:31:05 was
2:31:05 the
2:31:05 it
2:31:05 was
2:31:06 1988
2:31:07 and
2:31:08 Iran
2:31:09 and
2:31:09 fought
2:31:09 this
2:31:10 brutal
2:31:10 eight
2:31:10 year
2:31:10 war
2:31:10 a
2:31:11 million
2:31:11 people
2:31:11 dead
2:31:12 and
2:31:14 the
2:31:14 United
2:31:15 States
2:31:16 accidentally
2:31:16 shot
2:31:16 down
2:31:17 a
2:31:17 Iranian
2:31:18 passenger
2:31:18 airline
2:31:19 United
2:31:19 States
2:31:19 offered
2:31:20 to pay
2:31:21 compensation
2:31:21 and
2:31:22 apologized
2:31:23 and
2:31:23 the
2:31:23 Iranians
2:31:23 didn’t
2:31:23 believe
2:31:23 it
2:31:24 they
2:31:24 didn’t
2:31:24 believe
2:31:24 we
2:31:24 could
2:31:25 accidentally
2:31:25 do
2:31:25 that
2:31:26 they
2:31:26 thought
2:31:26 we
2:31:26 were
2:31:26 going
2:31:26 to
2:31:26 be
2:31:27 intervening
2:31:28 militarily
2:31:28 on
2:31:28 behalf
2:31:29 of
2:31:29 Saddam
2:31:30 so
2:31:30 Khamenei
2:31:31 who’s
2:31:31 not
2:31:31 the
2:31:31 supreme
2:31:32 leader
2:31:32 at
2:31:32 the
2:31:32 time
2:31:33 he
2:31:33 was
2:31:33 the
2:31:33 Iranian
2:31:34 president
2:31:35 he
2:31:35 and
2:31:35 Raf
2:31:35 Sanjani
2:31:36 they
2:31:36 go
2:31:36 to
2:31:37 Khomeini
2:31:37 and
2:31:38 they
2:31:38 say
2:31:38 Mr.
2:31:39 Ayatollah
2:31:40 we
2:31:40 gotta
2:31:40 sue
2:31:40 for
2:31:40 peace
2:31:41 with
2:31:41 the
2:31:41 Iraqis
2:31:42 because
2:31:42 the
2:31:42 Americans
2:31:42 are
2:31:43 intervening
2:31:43 and
2:31:43 we
2:31:44 cannot
2:31:45 fight
2:31:45 the
2:31:45 Americans
2:31:46 we
2:31:46 fought
2:31:46 this
2:31:46 brutal
2:31:47 war
2:31:47 we’ll
2:31:48 continue
2:31:48 with
2:31:48 Saddam
2:31:49 we
2:31:49 cannot
2:31:49 fight
2:31:49 the
2:31:49 United
2:31:50 States
2:31:50 of
2:31:50 America
2:31:50 I
2:31:51 think
2:31:51 Scott’s
2:31:51 right
2:31:52 like
2:31:52 that
2:31:53 perception
2:31:53 that
2:31:54 there’s
2:31:54 no way
2:31:54 they
2:31:54 can
2:31:54 fight
2:31:54 the
2:31:55 United
2:31:55 States
2:31:55 of
2:31:55 America
2:31:55 because
2:31:56 that’s
2:31:56 regime
2:31:56 ending
2:31:57 potentially
2:31:57 even
2:31:57 if
2:31:57 we
2:31:58 don’t
2:31:58 intend
2:31:58 to
2:31:59 that
2:32:08 chalice
2:32:09 and
2:32:09 I
2:32:09 will
2:32:09 agree
2:32:09 to
2:32:09 a
2:32:10 ceasefire
2:32:10 on
2:32:11 pretty
2:32:11 tough
2:32:12 terms
2:32:12 for
2:32:12 Iran
2:32:13 it’s
2:32:13 interesting
2:32:14 now
2:32:15 36
2:32:16 years
2:32:16 later
2:32:16 or
2:32:17 37
2:32:17 years
2:32:17 later
2:32:19 Khamenei
2:32:19 is now
2:32:19 going to
2:32:20 decide
2:32:20 to
2:32:20 drink
2:32:21 the
2:32:21 poison
2:32:21 chalice
2:32:22 does
2:32:22 he
2:32:23 agree
2:32:23 to
2:32:23 a
2:32:24 negotiated
2:32:25 deal
2:32:25 with
2:32:25 the
2:32:25 United
2:32:26 States
2:32:26 does
2:32:26 he
2:32:26 agree
2:32:26 to
2:32:27 deal
2:32:27 that
2:32:28 President
2:32:28 Trump
2:32:28 and
2:32:28 I
2:32:28 mean
2:32:29 Scott
2:32:29 criticizes
2:32:29 me
2:32:29 for
2:32:30 it
2:32:30 but
2:32:31 that’s
2:32:31 President
2:32:31 Trump’s
2:32:31 position
2:32:32 is
2:32:32 no
2:32:32 enrichment
2:32:33 full
2:32:33 dismantlement
2:32:34 by
2:32:34 the
2:32:34 way
2:32:34 that’s
2:32:34 backed
2:32:35 up
2:32:35 by
2:32:35 52
2:32:36 of
2:32:36 53
2:32:36 Republican
2:32:37 senators
2:32:37 and
2:32:38 177
2:32:39 House
2:32:39 GOP
2:32:39 members
2:32:40 and
2:32:40 backed
2:32:40 by
2:32:41 everybody
2:32:41 in
2:32:41 his
2:32:42 administration
2:32:43 including
2:32:43 JD
2:32:44 Vance
2:32:44 who’s
2:32:44 been
2:32:44 emphatic
2:32:45 about
2:32:45 that
2:32:46 does
2:32:46 he
2:32:46 agree
2:32:46 to
2:32:47 that
2:32:47 deal
2:32:47 or
2:32:48 does
2:32:48 he
2:32:48 decide
2:32:49 I’m
2:32:49 not
2:32:49 going
2:32:49 to
2:32:49 drink
2:32:49 the
2:32:50 poison
2:32:50 chalice
2:32:50 and
2:32:51 I
2:32:51 am
2:32:51 going
2:32:51 to
2:32:52 take
2:32:53 other
2:32:54 options
2:32:54 now
2:32:54 I
2:32:54 agree
2:32:54 with
2:32:55 Scott
2:32:55 like
2:32:56 going
2:32:56 after
2:32:56 US
2:32:57 military
2:32:57 basis
2:32:57 except
2:32:58 in a
2:32:58 symbolic
2:32:58 way
2:32:59 suicidal
2:33:00 closing
2:33:00 the
2:33:00 straits
2:33:00 of
2:33:01 her
2:33:01 moves
2:33:02 40%
2:33:02 of
2:33:02 Chinese
2:33:03 oil
2:33:03 goes
2:33:03 through
2:33:03 there
2:33:04 the
2:33:04 Chinese
2:33:04 have
2:33:04 been
2:33:04 saying
2:33:05 Iran
2:33:05 don’t
2:33:05 you
2:33:06 dare
2:33:06 by
2:33:06 the
2:33:06 way
2:33:07 100%
2:33:07 of
2:33:07 Iranian
2:33:07 oil
2:33:08 goes
2:33:08 from
2:33:08 Iran
2:33:09 and
2:33:09 Karg
2:33:10 Island
2:33:10 through
2:33:10 the
2:33:11 straits
2:33:11 of
2:33:11 her
2:33:11 moves
2:33:11 so
2:33:12 economically
2:33:12 suicidal
2:33:13 for
2:33:13 the
2:33:13 Iranians
2:33:14 to
2:33:14 do
2:33:14 that
2:33:15 terror
2:33:16 attacks
2:33:17 absolutely
2:33:17 I mean
2:33:17 that
2:33:17 has
2:33:17 been
2:33:18 their
2:33:18 modus
2:33:18 operandi
2:33:19 for
2:33:19 years
2:33:19 so
2:33:20 I
2:33:20 would
2:33:20 be
2:33:20 concerned
2:33:21 about
2:33:22 terrorist
2:33:23 attacks
2:33:24 against
2:33:24 US
2:33:24 targets
2:33:25 against
2:33:26 civilians
2:33:28 potentially
2:33:28 sleeper
2:33:29 cells
2:33:29 in the
2:33:29 United
2:33:29 States
2:33:30 so
2:33:30 he’s
2:33:31 used
2:33:31 terror
2:33:32 cells
2:33:32 around
2:33:32 the
2:33:32 world
2:33:33 he’s
2:33:33 engaged
2:33:34 in a
2:33:34 decades
2:33:35 long
2:33:35 assassination
2:33:36 campaign
2:33:36 including
2:33:37 on
2:33:37 American
2:33:37 soil
2:33:37 by the
2:33:38 way
2:33:38 sometimes
2:33:39 successfully
2:33:39 sometimes
2:33:40 not
2:33:41 including
2:33:41 most
2:33:41 recently
2:33:41 where
2:33:42 he
2:33:42 went
2:33:42 after
2:33:43 an
2:33:43 Iranian
2:33:43 American
2:33:44 three
2:33:45 times
2:33:45 to
2:33:45 try
2:33:45 to
2:33:46 assassinate
2:33:46 her
2:33:47 in
2:33:47 New
2:33:47 York
2:33:48 a
2:33:48 woman
2:33:48 named
2:33:48 Masi
2:33:49 Alinejad
2:33:49 and
2:33:50 so
2:33:51 he’s
2:33:51 got to
2:33:51 be
2:33:52 calculating
2:33:52 like
2:33:53 what
2:33:53 is
2:33:53 my
2:33:53 play
2:33:54 so
2:33:54 if
2:33:54 I
2:33:54 don’t
2:33:54 do
2:33:55 a
2:33:55 deal
2:33:56 how
2:33:56 can
2:33:56 I
2:33:57 actually
2:33:58 squeeze
2:33:58 the
2:33:58 Americans
2:33:59 and
2:33:59 Scott’s
2:34:00 right
2:34:00 like
2:34:00 he
2:34:00 must
2:34:01 be
2:34:01 thinking
2:34:01 to
2:34:01 himself
2:34:02 you
2:34:03 know
2:34:03 what
2:34:04 I
2:34:04 was
2:34:04 literally
2:34:04 on
2:34:04 the
2:34:05 99
2:34:05 yard
2:34:05 line
2:34:06 with
2:34:07 entire
2:34:07 nuclear
2:34:07 weapons
2:34:08 capability
2:34:09 I
2:34:09 should
2:34:09 have
2:34:09 crossed
2:34:09 goal
2:34:10 line
2:34:10 if
2:34:10 I
2:34:10 had
2:34:10 a
2:34:11 warhead
2:34:11 a
2:34:11 nuclear
2:34:12 warhead
2:34:12 or
2:34:13 multiple
2:34:13 nuclear
2:34:13 warheads
2:34:14 as
2:34:14 they
2:34:14 had
2:34:14 been
2:34:15 trying
2:34:15 to
2:34:15 build
2:34:16 since
2:34:17 the
2:34:17 Ahmad
2:34:17 plan
2:34:18 in
2:34:18 early
2:34:19 2000s
2:34:20 there’s
2:34:20 no way
2:34:21 Israel
2:34:21 and the
2:34:21 United
2:34:22 States
2:34:22 would
2:34:22 have
2:34:22 hit me
2:34:23 militarily
2:34:23 if I
2:34:23 had
2:34:23 nuclear
2:34:24 weapons
2:34:24 and I
2:34:24 would
2:34:24 have
2:34:24 had
2:34:25 the
2:34:25 ultimate
2:34:25 deterrence
2:34:26 to
2:34:26 prevent
2:34:27 that
2:34:27 and
2:34:27 then
2:34:27 I
2:34:27 would
2:34:28 be
2:34:28 like
2:34:28 Kim
2:34:28 Jong
2:34:29 with
2:34:29 nuclear
2:34:30 weapons
2:34:30 I
2:34:31 would
2:34:31 then
2:34:31 build
2:34:32 ICBMs
2:34:32 have
2:34:33 the
2:34:33 ultimate
2:34:34 deterrent
2:34:34 to
2:34:34 stop
2:34:35 that
2:34:35 so
2:34:35 he’s
2:34:35 got
2:34:35 to
2:34:35 be
2:34:36 thinking
2:34:36 maybe
2:34:37 now
2:34:37 and
2:34:37 I
2:34:38 can
2:34:38 guarantee
2:34:38 you
2:34:39 the
2:34:39 revolutionary
2:34:40 guards
2:34:40 do you
2:34:40 think
2:34:40 that
2:34:41 might
2:34:41 have
2:34:41 anything
2:34:42 to do
2:34:42 with
2:34:42 the
2:34:42 fact
2:34:43 that
2:34:43 America
2:34:44 attacked
2:34:44 Iraq
2:34:44 and
2:34:45 Libya
2:34:45 when
2:34:46 they
2:34:46 did
2:34:46 not
2:34:46 have
2:34:47 weapons
2:34:47 of
2:34:47 mass
2:34:48 destruction
2:34:48 programs
2:34:49 can I
2:34:49 tell you
2:34:49 the
2:34:49 Libya
2:34:49 example
2:34:50 I
2:34:50 think
2:34:50 Scott
2:34:50 is
2:34:50 the
2:34:51 most
2:34:51 interesting
2:34:51 one
2:34:51 for
2:34:52 me
2:34:52 right
2:34:53 because
2:34:53 the
2:34:53 Libya
2:34:54 example
2:34:54 it was
2:34:54 big
2:34:54 mistake
2:34:55 by
2:34:55 the
2:34:55 way
2:34:55 Ukraine
2:34:55 is
2:34:56 another
2:34:56 good
2:34:56 example
2:34:56 of
2:34:56 this
2:34:57 we
2:34:57 went
2:34:57 to
2:34:57 the
2:34:57 Libyans
2:34:58 and
2:34:58 we
2:34:58 said
2:34:59 you
2:34:59 must
2:34:59 fully
2:35:00 dismantle
2:35:00 your
2:35:00 program
2:35:01 and
2:35:01 Gaddafi
2:35:02 said
2:35:03 reluctantly
2:35:03 under
2:35:03 huge
2:35:04 American
2:35:04 pressure
2:35:05 okay
2:35:05 I’ll
2:35:05 do
2:35:05 it
2:35:06 and
2:35:06 the
2:35:08 Americans
2:35:08 went
2:35:08 in
2:35:08 there
2:35:09 and
2:35:09 literally
2:35:10 hauled
2:35:10 out
2:35:10 his
2:35:10 entire
2:35:11 nuclear
2:35:11 it
2:35:11 wasn’t
2:35:11 really
2:35:12 a
2:35:12 program
2:35:12 it
2:35:12 was
2:35:12 just
2:35:12 a
2:35:13 bunch
2:35:13 of
2:35:13 AQ
2:35:14 cons
2:35:14 junk
2:35:14 sitting
2:35:14 in
2:35:15 crates
2:35:15 in
2:35:16 warehouse
2:35:16 they
2:35:16 did
2:35:16 not
2:35:17 have
2:35:17 the
2:35:17 capability
2:35:18 to
2:35:18 make
2:35:18 a
2:35:19 nuclear
2:35:19 program
2:35:19 at
2:35:19 all
2:35:20 in
2:35:20 Libya
2:35:20 they
2:35:20 didn’t
2:35:20 have
2:35:20 the
2:35:22 engineers
2:35:22 the
2:35:22 scientists
2:35:23 or
2:35:23 anyone
2:35:24 so
2:35:24 Gaddafi
2:35:24 had
2:35:25 bought
2:35:25 that
2:35:25 junk
2:35:25 just
2:35:26 to
2:35:26 trade
2:35:26 it
2:35:26 away
2:35:26 just
2:35:26 to
2:35:27 be
2:35:27 clear
2:35:27 there
2:35:27 never
2:35:28 was
2:35:28 a
2:35:29 nuclear
2:35:29 weapons
2:35:30 program
2:35:31 of
2:35:31 any
2:35:31 kind
2:35:32 in
2:35:32 Libya
2:35:32 but
2:35:33 that
2:35:33 wasn’t
2:35:33 my
2:35:34 point
2:35:34 okay
2:35:34 my
2:35:34 point
2:35:35 is
2:35:35 he
2:35:35 had
2:35:35 a
2:35:35 nuclear
2:35:36 program
2:35:36 and
2:35:37 we
2:35:37 can
2:35:37 debate
2:35:38 again
2:35:39 how
2:35:46 but
2:35:46 that’s
2:35:46 not
2:35:46 the
2:35:46 point
2:35:47 the
2:35:47 point
2:35:47 is
2:35:47 we
2:35:47 did
2:35:48 a
2:35:48 deal
2:35:48 with
2:35:48 Gaddafi
2:35:49 we
2:35:49 pulled
2:35:50 out
2:35:50 his
2:35:50 nuclear
2:35:51 program
2:35:52 and
2:35:52 then
2:35:53 I
2:35:53 don’t
2:35:53 know
2:35:53 how
2:35:53 many
2:35:53 years
2:35:54 later
2:35:54 but
2:35:54 it
2:35:54 wasn’t
2:35:54 too
2:35:54 many
2:35:55 years
2:35:55 later
2:35:55 seven
2:35:56 years
2:35:56 later
2:35:56 thank
2:35:56 you
2:35:57 Scott
2:35:57 we
2:35:57 actually
2:35:58 took
2:35:59 took
2:35:59 Gaddafi
2:36:00 out
2:36:01 and
2:36:01 he
2:36:01 didn’t
2:36:01 have
2:36:01 a
2:36:02 nuclear
2:36:02 program
2:36:03 so
2:36:03 we
2:36:03 took
2:36:03 him
2:36:03 out
2:36:04 in
2:36:04 the
2:36:04 Libya
2:36:05 operation
2:36:05 now
2:36:06 Ukraine
2:36:06 is
2:36:07 another
2:36:07 great
2:36:07 example
2:36:08 Ukrainians
2:36:08 after
2:36:08 the
2:36:08 fall
2:36:08 of
2:36:09 Soviet
2:36:09 Union
2:36:09 you
2:36:09 know
2:36:10 this
2:36:10 they
2:36:10 had
2:36:11 the
2:36:11 Soviet
2:36:11 nuclear
2:36:12 arsenal
2:36:12 or
2:36:12 good
2:36:13 parts
2:36:13 of
2:36:13 it
2:36:13 on
2:36:13 their
2:36:14 soil
2:36:14 so
2:36:14 we
2:36:15 went
2:36:15 to
2:36:15 them
2:36:15 and
2:36:15 we
2:36:15 said
2:36:16 here’s
2:36:16 a deal
2:36:16 for you
2:36:17 give up
2:36:17 the
2:36:18 nuclear
2:36:18 arsenal
2:36:19 off
2:36:19 your
2:36:20 territory
2:36:21 and
2:36:21 we
2:36:22 and
2:36:22 the
2:36:22 Russians
2:36:23 and the
2:36:23 French
2:36:24 guarantee
2:36:24 your
2:36:25 territorial
2:36:25 integrity
2:36:26 and
2:36:26 your
2:36:27 sovereignty
2:36:27 as
2:36:27 a
2:36:27 country
2:36:28 so
2:36:28 the
2:36:28 Ukrainians
2:36:28 said
2:36:29 fair
2:36:29 deal
2:36:29 to
2:36:30 me
2:36:30 gave
2:36:30 all
2:36:30 the
2:36:31 nuclear
2:36:38 promised
2:36:38 to
2:36:38 respect
2:36:38 it
2:36:38 and
2:36:39 the
2:36:39 Russians
2:36:39 promised
2:36:40 to
2:36:40 and
2:36:40 both
2:36:41 sides
2:36:41 broke
2:36:41 that
2:36:42 promise
2:36:42 but
2:36:42 there’s
2:36:43 nothing
2:36:43 like
2:36:43 a
2:36:44 guarantee
2:36:44 that
2:36:45 America
2:36:45 would
2:36:45 protect
2:36:46 Ukraine’s
2:36:47 sovereignty
2:36:47 and
2:36:48 they
2:36:49 had no
2:36:49 ability
2:36:50 to
2:36:50 use
2:36:50 those
2:36:50 nukes
2:36:51 anyway
2:36:51 because
2:36:52 they
2:36:52 were
2:36:52 Soviet
2:36:53 nukes
2:36:53 with
2:36:53 Soviet
2:36:54 codes
2:36:54 they
2:36:54 belonged
2:36:55 to
2:36:55 the
2:36:55 Soviet
2:36:55 military
2:36:56 and
2:36:56 the
2:36:56 Ukrainians
2:36:57 had
2:36:57 no
2:36:57 ability
2:36:57 to
2:36:58 use
2:36:58 them
2:36:58 or
2:36:58 deliver
2:36:58 them
2:36:59 they
2:36:59 were
2:36:59 married
2:36:59 to
2:37:00 missiles
2:37:00 that
2:37:00 were
2:37:00 made
2:37:03 my
2:37:03 point
2:37:04 is
2:37:06 if
2:37:06 you’re
2:37:07 Khamenei
2:37:07 and
2:37:07 you’ve
2:37:07 seen
2:37:08 those
2:37:08 two
2:37:08 examples
2:37:09 of
2:37:09 Libya
2:37:10 you
2:37:10 gave
2:37:10 up
2:37:11 your
2:37:11 nuclear
2:37:12 program
2:37:12 Gaddafi
2:37:12 gets
2:37:13 taken
2:37:13 down
2:37:14 you’re
2:37:14 Ukraine
2:37:15 you gave
2:37:15 up
2:37:15 your
2:37:15 nuclear
2:37:16 weapons
2:37:17 and
2:37:17 the
2:37:17 Russians
2:37:17 invaded
2:37:18 twice
2:37:18 if
2:37:18 you’re
2:37:19 Khamenei
2:37:19 thinking
2:37:19 to
2:37:20 yourself
2:37:20 the
2:37:20 only
2:37:21 thing
2:37:21 that
2:37:21 matters
2:37:21 more
2:37:21 to
2:37:21 me
2:37:22 than
2:37:22 my
2:37:22 nuclear
2:37:22 weapons
2:37:23 program
2:37:23 is
2:37:23 my
2:37:24 regime
2:37:24 survival
2:37:25 and
2:37:25 in
2:37:25 12
2:37:25 days
2:37:26 of
2:37:26 war
2:37:27 the
2:37:27 Israelis
2:37:28 specifically
2:37:28 because
2:37:32 we
2:37:32 the
2:37:32 United
2:37:33 States
2:37:34 hit
2:37:34 those
2:37:34 sites
2:37:35 we
2:37:35 the
2:37:36 United
2:37:36 States
2:37:37 hit
2:37:37 those
2:37:37 sites
2:37:37 the
2:37:38 gleeful
2:37:38 nature
2:37:39 Scott
2:37:39 like
2:37:40 stop
2:37:40 take
2:37:40 that
2:37:40 out
2:37:41 there’s
2:37:41 no
2:37:41 place
2:37:42 here
2:37:42 in
2:37:43 this
2:37:43 room
2:37:43 with
2:37:44 me
2:37:44 the
2:37:45 un-American
2:37:45 bullshit
2:37:47 don’t
2:37:47 do
2:37:47 that
2:37:48 the
2:37:48 implication
2:37:49 here
2:37:49 man
2:37:50 is
2:37:50 that
2:37:51 I
2:37:51 me
2:37:53 am
2:37:53 un-American
2:37:54 I’ve
2:37:54 been
2:37:54 attacked
2:37:54 just
2:37:54 like
2:37:54 the
2:37:55 Russian
2:37:55 hoax
2:37:56 for
2:37:56 being
2:37:56 a
2:37:56 Putin
2:37:57 shill
2:37:57 I’m
2:37:57 an
2:37:58 American
2:37:59 when you
2:37:59 talk
2:38:00 about
2:38:00 Ukraine’s
2:38:01 war
2:38:01 with
2:38:01 Russia
2:38:01 do
2:38:01 you
2:38:01 say
2:38:02 we
2:38:03 or
2:38:03 do
2:38:03 you
2:38:03 say
2:38:03 they
2:38:04 I
2:38:04 said
2:38:04 we
2:38:04 the
2:38:04 United
2:38:05 States
2:38:05 we
2:38:05 actually
2:38:06 added
2:38:06 the
2:38:06 United
2:38:06 States
2:38:07 but
2:38:07 you
2:38:07 would
2:38:07 just
2:38:07 describe
2:38:08 Israel
2:38:08 strikes
2:38:09 Israel
2:38:09 didn’t
2:38:09 strike
2:38:09 for
2:38:10 dough
2:38:10 Scott
2:38:10 you
2:38:10 talked
2:38:11 about
2:38:11 the
2:38:11 U.S.
2:38:12 attack
2:38:12 you
2:38:13 you’re
2:38:13 speaking
2:38:13 you’re speaking
2:38:14 to
2:38:14 other
2:38:15 people
2:38:15 that
2:38:15 you’ve
2:38:16 heard
2:38:16 that
2:38:17 somehow
2:38:18 they
2:38:18 do
2:38:18 say
2:38:19 we
2:38:20 and
2:38:20 they
2:38:20 talk
2:38:21 about
2:38:22 I
2:38:22 would
2:38:22 say
2:38:24 ridiculously
2:38:25 as if
2:38:26 I’ve
2:38:26 even heard
2:38:27 some people
2:38:27 basically put
2:38:28 Israel above
2:38:29 U.S.
2:38:30 and they’re
2:38:31 American citizens
2:38:32 yeah that’s
2:38:32 fucking
2:38:33 ridiculous
2:38:34 but none
2:38:34 of those
2:38:35 people are
2:38:35 in this
2:38:35 room
2:38:37 there are
2:38:37 demons
2:38:38 under the
2:38:38 bed
2:38:38 I’m
2:38:39 sure those
2:38:39 people exist
2:38:40 there’s
2:38:40 ridiculous
2:38:40 people
2:38:41 on the
2:38:41 internet
2:38:41 there’s
2:38:42 ridiculous
2:38:42 people
2:38:43 in
2:38:43 Congress
2:38:44 we can
2:38:44 criticize
2:38:45 them
2:38:45 make fun
2:38:45 of
2:38:46 them
2:38:46 say
2:38:46 they’re
2:38:47 fucking
2:38:47 foundation
2:38:47 for
2:38:48 defense
2:38:48 of
2:38:48 democracy
2:38:48 has been
2:38:49 the
2:38:49 vanguard
2:38:49 of the
2:38:50 war
2:38:50 party
2:38:50 in this
2:38:50 country
2:38:51 for 25
2:38:51 years
2:38:52 well that’s
2:38:52 a different
2:38:53 criticism
2:38:53 but I was
2:38:54 it’s an
2:38:54 important
2:38:55 one
2:38:55 yeah but
2:38:56 no you
2:38:56 just
2:38:56 switched
2:38:57 you just
2:38:57 switched
2:38:58 well
2:38:59 you
2:39:00 no no
2:39:01 no no
2:39:01 no no
2:39:02 there’s
2:39:02 no
2:39:03 you just
2:39:03 switched
2:39:04 from the
2:39:04 un-American
2:39:05 discussion
2:39:05 to
2:39:06 criticizing
2:39:06 policies
2:39:06 that
2:39:11 un-American
2:39:11 bullshit
2:39:12 Lex
2:39:12 the
2:39:13 neoconservative
2:39:14 movement is the
2:39:15 vanguard of the
2:39:16 Israel lobby
2:39:17 that’s who they are
2:39:17 that’s what
2:39:19 neoconservatism is about
2:39:20 that’s who the
2:39:20 war party is
2:39:21 I’m not a neoconservative
2:39:22 so I don’t know who he’s
2:39:22 talking about
2:39:23 but I’m not a neoconservative
2:39:24 let’s not mix stuff up
2:39:26 there is a massive
2:39:27 Israel lobby
2:39:27 in America
2:39:28 in Washington
2:39:29 that is
2:39:30 inseparable
2:39:31 from the
2:39:32 American war party
2:39:32 I’ve talked to
2:39:33 John Mearsham
2:39:34 I respect him
2:39:34 deeply
2:39:35 he’s one of the
2:39:35 most brilliant
2:39:37 people speaking
2:39:37 on that topic
2:39:38 great
2:39:39 great
2:39:39 let’s just talk
2:39:40 about today
2:39:41 and the
2:39:42 nuclear proliferation
2:39:43 you guys have been
2:39:44 brilliant on this
2:39:45 I’m learning a lot
2:39:45 let’s continue
2:39:47 let’s go back
2:39:47 to where
2:39:48 Khamenei may be
2:39:49 I mean
2:39:50 in a bunker
2:39:51 86 years old
2:39:52 thinking he’s going
2:39:52 to drink the
2:39:53 poison chalice
2:39:54 and agree to a
2:39:54 deal with
2:39:55 Donald Trump
2:39:55 in Oman
2:39:56 or is he going
2:39:56 to do all
2:39:57 of the things
2:39:58 that Scott
2:39:58 and I
2:39:58 are concerned
2:39:59 about
2:40:00 and one
2:40:00 of those
2:40:01 and Scott
2:40:01 has pointed
2:40:02 this out
2:40:02 rightly so
2:40:04 is he may
2:40:05 decide now
2:40:06 to break out
2:40:07 for the nuke
2:40:08 or creep out
2:40:09 for the nuke
2:40:09 he may decide
2:40:10 not to do it
2:40:10 now
2:40:11 he may decide
2:40:11 to do it
2:40:12 in three and a half
2:40:13 years when
2:40:13 President Trump
2:40:14 is gone
2:40:15 right
2:40:15 and I think
2:40:16 that the
2:40:17 important thing
2:40:18 is he’s seen
2:40:19 we
2:40:19 the United
2:40:20 States
2:40:21 we
2:40:22 took out
2:40:22 Fordow
2:40:23 and Natanz
2:40:24 and Isfahan
2:40:26 in one operation
2:40:27 with B-2 bombers
2:40:28 and
2:40:29 12
2:40:30 30,000 pound
2:40:31 massive orange
2:40:31 penetrators
2:40:33 and Tomahawk
2:40:33 missiles
2:40:34 so if he
2:40:34 doesn’t think
2:40:35 if he didn’t
2:40:36 think that
2:40:36 the United
2:40:37 States had
2:40:38 serious military
2:40:38 power before
2:40:39 he now
2:40:40 knows we
2:40:40 do
2:40:41 so to you
2:40:42 that operation
2:40:44 was geopolitically
2:40:44 a success
2:40:45 it sends a message
2:40:46 of strength
2:40:47 that if you try
2:40:47 to build
2:40:48 you’re going
2:40:48 to be punished
2:40:49 for it
2:40:49 so I’ve
2:40:50 I’ve said
2:40:50 I’ve said
2:40:50 online
2:40:51 in the past
2:40:52 12 days
2:40:52 and even
2:40:53 before that
2:40:54 curb your
2:40:54 enthusiasm
2:40:55 curb your
2:40:56 enthusiasm
2:40:56 to all the
2:40:56 people
2:40:57 related to
2:40:57 which topic
2:40:57 yeah
2:40:58 just just
2:40:59 this sort
2:40:59 of idea
2:40:59 that this
2:41:00 has been
2:41:00 like this
2:41:01 unbelievable
2:41:01 success
2:41:02 and everything’s
2:41:03 great and
2:41:03 everything’s going
2:41:04 to be amazing
2:41:04 and we’ve
2:41:05 stopped the
2:41:05 nuclear weapons
2:41:06 program
2:41:07 and this
2:41:07 has been
2:41:08 a resounding
2:41:08 success
2:41:09 I’ve just
2:41:09 said kind
2:41:09 of curb
2:41:09 your
2:41:10 enthusiasm
2:41:11 Khamenei
2:41:12 remains very
2:41:13 dangerous
2:41:13 the regime
2:41:14 remains very
2:41:15 dangerous
2:41:15 a wounded
2:41:16 animal
2:41:16 is the most
2:41:17 dangerous
2:41:18 animal
2:41:18 in the animal
2:41:19 kingdom
2:41:20 he retains
2:41:20 key capabilities
2:41:21 to build
2:41:21 weapons
2:41:22 you demanded
2:41:23 unconditional
2:41:23 surrender
2:41:24 on twitter
2:41:24 again last
2:41:25 night right
2:41:26 after trump
2:41:26 said there’s
2:41:27 a ceasefire
2:41:27 what does
2:41:28 unconditional
2:41:28 surrender
2:41:28 mean
2:41:29 no enrichment
2:41:30 full dismantlement
2:41:31 yes exactly
2:41:31 right it’s
2:41:32 exactly what
2:41:33 president trump
2:41:33 well
2:41:34 not regime
2:41:34 change
2:41:34 unconditional
2:41:35 surrender
2:41:35 in world
2:41:36 war ii
2:41:36 meant the
2:41:36 end of the
2:41:37 nazi regime
2:41:37 and the
2:41:38 imperialist
2:41:38 japanese
2:41:39 regime
2:41:39 entirely
2:41:40 right
2:41:40 but president
2:41:40 trump
2:41:42 made it very
2:41:42 clear
2:41:43 he made it
2:41:44 clear
2:41:45 i don’t
2:41:45 support
2:41:45 regime
2:41:46 change
2:41:46 well except
2:41:47 for that
2:41:47 one
2:41:49 a few
2:41:49 hours
2:41:49 earlier
2:41:50 right
2:41:50 i’ll
2:41:50 i’ll
2:41:51 i actually
2:41:51 i’ll
2:41:52 i mean
2:41:52 i’ll explain
2:41:53 that one
2:41:53 because i
2:41:53 thought it
2:41:54 was really
2:41:54 analyzing
2:41:55 like it’s
2:41:55 shakespeare
2:41:55 what is
2:41:55 that
2:41:56 yeah yeah
2:41:56 and what
2:41:57 what did
2:41:57 he also
2:41:57 mean
2:41:58 we have
2:41:58 two
2:41:58 countries
2:41:59 that have
2:41:59 been
2:41:59 fighting
2:42:00 so long
2:42:00 it’s
2:42:00 so hard
2:42:01 that they
2:42:01 don’t know
2:42:01 what the
2:42:02 fuck
2:42:02 they’re
2:42:02 doing
2:42:02 what’s
2:42:02 that
2:42:03 about
2:42:03 he was
2:42:03 angry
2:42:04 that israel
2:42:04 was still
2:42:05 attacking
2:42:05 after he
2:42:05 promised
2:42:06 they weren’t
2:42:07 he demanded
2:42:07 they turn
2:42:08 their planes
2:42:08 around
2:42:09 he felt
2:42:09 that they
2:42:09 were doing
2:42:10 it in
2:42:10 defiance
2:42:11 of their
2:42:11 agreement
2:42:12 but he
2:42:12 didn’t
2:42:12 but he didn’t
2:42:12 say israel
2:42:13 he’s just
2:42:13 the both
2:42:14 countries
2:42:14 different quote
2:42:15 different quote
2:42:16 he did say
2:42:16 i demand
2:42:17 i believe it
2:42:17 was a tweet
2:42:18 from true
2:42:18 social
2:42:19 i demand
2:42:19 that israel
2:42:20 turn those
2:42:21 planes around
2:42:21 right now
2:42:22 was how upset
2:42:23 he was about
2:42:23 i guess
2:42:24 donald trump
2:42:25 doesn’t listen
2:42:25 to bb
2:42:25 all the time
2:42:26 does he
2:42:26 yeah i guess
2:42:27 he’s fine
2:42:27 now they
2:42:28 respect him
2:42:28 about as much
2:42:28 as they
2:42:29 respect the
2:42:29 palestinian
2:42:30 well that’s
2:42:30 how he’s
2:42:31 just the
2:42:31 help
2:42:33 world leaders
2:42:33 are interested
2:42:33 in their
2:42:34 own nation
2:42:35 that’s right
2:42:35 fuck you
2:42:35 over
2:42:36 good
2:42:37 important lesson
2:42:37 there everyone
2:42:38 but i think
2:42:38 what does
2:42:39 israel care
2:42:39 about
2:42:40 israel
2:42:41 every country
2:42:41 every country
2:42:42 that defends
2:42:43 its national
2:42:43 interests
2:42:44 i mean that’s
2:42:44 not unusual
2:42:45 for israel
2:42:45 or any other
2:42:45 country
2:42:46 but i think
2:42:47 to understand
2:42:47 we’re supposed
2:42:48 to pretend
2:42:48 that hey
2:42:49 whatever israel
2:42:49 needs
2:42:50 we’re here
2:42:50 to serve
2:42:51 their interests
2:42:51 if those
2:42:52 people exist
2:42:53 they’re un-american
2:42:54 if people put
2:42:54 israel’s interest
2:42:55 we fight
2:42:55 terrorism
2:42:56 together
2:42:56 well we do
2:42:57 well we
2:42:59 generate terrorism
2:42:59 together
2:42:59 what are you
2:43:00 talking about
2:43:01 but that doesn’t
2:43:01 mean you put
2:43:02 israel’s interest
2:43:03 above america’s
2:43:04 if you do
2:43:05 you’re un-american
2:43:05 you know how many
2:43:06 american lives
2:43:07 israel intelligence
2:43:08 community
2:43:08 is saved
2:43:11 and ask
2:43:11 people in the
2:43:12 fbi and cia
2:43:12 who work
2:43:13 counterterrorism
2:43:13 how many
2:43:14 american lives
2:43:15 the israelis
2:43:15 have saved
2:43:16 because of
2:43:17 their intelligence
2:43:18 capabilities
2:43:19 how about
2:43:20 when naftali
2:43:20 bennett
2:43:21 well again
2:43:22 bombed that
2:43:22 shelter full
2:43:23 of women
2:43:23 and children
2:43:24 and caused
2:43:24 the september
2:43:25 11th attack
2:43:26 that’s what
2:43:27 happened
2:43:27 in fact
2:43:27 i don’t know
2:43:28 if you know
2:43:28 the story
2:43:28 but you could
2:43:29 google this
2:43:29 you like
2:43:29 google and
2:43:29 things
2:43:30 it’s on
2:43:30 google books
2:43:31 you can read
2:43:32 perfect soldiers
2:43:33 by terry
2:43:33 mcdermott
2:43:34 or you could
2:43:34 read the
2:43:35 looming tower
2:43:36 by lawrence
2:43:36 right
2:43:36 where both
2:43:37 of them
2:43:37 explain
2:43:38 how when
2:43:39 shimon perez
2:43:39 launched
2:43:40 operation
2:43:40 grapes
2:43:41 of wrath
2:43:41 that
2:43:41 ramzi
2:43:42 bin
2:43:42 al-shib
2:43:42 and
2:43:43 mohammed
2:43:43 atta
2:43:43 filled out
2:43:44 their last
2:43:44 will and
2:43:44 testament
2:43:45 which was
2:43:46 like symbolically
2:43:46 joining the
2:43:46 army
2:43:47 to fight
2:43:48 against the
2:43:48 infidels
2:43:49 etc etc
2:43:49 and when
2:43:49 and when
2:43:50 bin laden
2:43:50 put out
2:43:51 his first
2:43:51 declaration
2:43:52 of war
2:43:52 a couple
2:43:52 of months
2:43:53 later
2:43:53 it began
2:43:54 with a
2:43:54 whole rant
2:43:55 about the
2:43:56 106
2:43:56 women and
2:43:56 children
2:43:57 that
2:43:57 naftali
2:43:58 bennett
2:43:58 had killed
2:43:59 with an
2:43:59 artillery
2:44:00 strike
2:44:00 in a
2:44:01 un shelter
2:44:01 in
2:44:04 canna
2:44:05 in 1996
2:44:06 and he
2:44:06 said
2:44:07 we’ll never
2:44:07 forget the
2:44:08 severed arms
2:44:09 and heads
2:44:09 and legs
2:44:09 of the
2:44:10 little
2:44:10 babies
2:44:10 etc
2:44:11 and it
2:44:11 was then
2:44:12 that
2:44:12 mohammed
2:44:13 atta
2:44:13 and ramzi
2:44:14 bin al-shib
2:44:15 decided that
2:44:15 they would
2:44:16 join al-qaeda
2:44:17 and that
2:44:17 they these
2:44:18 egyptian
2:44:18 engineering
2:44:19 students
2:44:19 studying in
2:44:20 hamburg
2:44:20 germany
2:44:21 would volunteer
2:44:21 for the
2:44:22 saudi
2:44:22 sheik
2:44:23 to kill
2:44:23 3 000
2:44:24 americans
2:44:25 to get
2:44:25 revenge
2:44:26 for what
2:44:26 israel
2:44:27 was doing
2:44:27 to helpless
2:44:28 women and
2:44:28 children
2:44:30 in lebanon
2:44:30 as well
2:44:31 as of course
2:44:32 that ignores
2:44:32 the history
2:44:32 of al-qaeda
2:44:33 which for years
2:44:34 before that
2:44:35 was not on
2:44:35 the united
2:44:35 states
2:44:36 and britain
2:44:36 and saudi
2:44:37 arabia
2:44:38 against the
2:44:38 united states
2:44:39 but executing
2:44:39 them
2:44:40 you guys
2:44:41 love pulling
2:44:41 each other
2:44:42 into history
2:44:44 america’s
2:44:45 problem
2:44:45 with al-qaeda
2:44:46 is because
2:44:48 of israel
2:44:49 america and
2:44:49 israel are
2:44:50 terrorist
2:44:51 states
2:44:51 they were
2:44:52 america’s
2:44:52 mercenaries
2:44:53 that we used
2:44:54 in afghanistan
2:44:54 in bosnia
2:44:55 in kosovo
2:44:56 and chechnya
2:44:57 but they turned
2:44:58 against us
2:44:59 they turned
2:45:00 against us
2:45:00 anyone can
2:45:01 read michael
2:45:02 schweir’s book
2:45:02 the former
2:45:03 chief of the
2:45:03 cia
2:45:03 bin laden
2:45:04 wrote his
2:45:05 great book
2:45:06 imperial hubris
2:45:07 and it’s about
2:45:08 how the number
2:45:09 one reason
2:45:10 they attacked
2:45:10 us was
2:45:11 american bases
2:45:11 on saudi
2:45:12 soiled
2:45:12 to bomb
2:45:12 iraq
2:45:13 as part
2:45:14 of israel’s
2:45:15 dual
2:45:15 containment
2:45:16 policy
2:45:16 and the
2:45:17 second reason
2:45:18 was american
2:45:18 support for
2:45:19 israel
2:45:19 in their
2:45:20 merciless
2:45:20 persecution
2:45:21 of the
2:45:21 palestinians
2:45:22 and the
2:45:22 lebanese
2:45:22 that’s the
2:45:23 most articulate
2:45:24 justification
2:45:24 i’ve ever
2:45:24 heard for
2:45:25 al-qaeda
2:45:25 in my
2:45:26 life
2:45:26 but let’s
2:45:27 let’s not
2:45:28 a justification
2:45:29 i’m not saying
2:45:30 that makes
2:45:31 what they did
2:45:31 right
2:45:32 i’m saying
2:45:33 that was how
2:45:33 bin laden
2:45:34 recruited his
2:45:35 foot soldiers
2:45:35 to attack
2:45:36 this country
2:45:37 was by citing
2:45:38 american
2:45:38 foreign policies
2:45:40 that were
2:45:41 directly to
2:45:41 the detriment
2:45:42 of the people
2:45:42 of the middle
2:45:43 east and
2:45:44 specifically our
2:45:45 support for
2:45:45 israel and
2:45:46 i’ve never
2:45:47 heard a pro
2:45:48 in fact i take
2:45:48 that back there’s
2:45:50 one guy a liberal
2:45:50 from the nation
2:45:51 magazine named
2:45:52 eric alterman is
2:45:53 the only pro
2:45:54 israel guy i’ve
2:45:55 ever heard say
2:45:56 well that may be
2:45:58 true but i still
2:45:58 say we gotta
2:45:59 support israel
2:46:00 anyway the
2:46:01 others they’ll
2:46:01 just pretend that
2:46:02 terry mcdermott
2:46:03 never wrote that
2:46:03 book that lawrence
2:46:04 right never wrote
2:46:05 that book that
2:46:06 muhammad atta had
2:46:07 no motive to turn
2:46:08 on the united
2:46:09 states except for
2:46:10 muhammad made him
2:46:11 do it when in fact
2:46:12 what it was is it
2:46:12 was the ultra
2:46:13 violence of
2:46:14 shimon perez and
2:46:16 artillery officer
2:46:17 naftali bennett
2:46:18 slaughtering women
2:46:19 and children that
2:46:20 turned america’s
2:46:20 mercenaries america
2:46:21 backed the arab
2:46:22 afghan army in
2:46:23 afghanistan in
2:46:24 bosnia in
2:46:25 kosovo and in
2:46:26 chechnya as i
2:46:26 demonstrate in my
2:46:28 book and yet as
2:46:28 he correctly says
2:46:29 they turned on us
2:46:30 all through the
2:46:32 1990s bill clinton
2:46:32 was still backing
2:46:33 them anyway after
2:46:34 they were attacking
2:46:35 us and including
2:46:36 at kobar towers
2:46:36 and they were
2:46:38 doing that is this
2:46:39 was a bin ladenite
2:46:40 plot not hezbollah
2:46:41 not the shiites
2:46:42 this was the bin
2:46:43 ladenites getting
2:46:44 revenge against us
2:46:45 for support for
2:46:46 israel and being
2:46:47 too close to their
2:46:48 local dictators that
2:46:49 they wanted to
2:46:50 overthrow namely the
2:46:51 king of saudi and
2:46:52 the el presidente of
2:46:54 egypt yes that is
2:46:55 the cause of the
2:46:56 september 11th attack
2:46:56 against the united
2:46:57 states not the
2:46:58 taliban hate
2:46:59 freedom but the
2:47:01 bin ladenites hate
2:47:02 american support for
2:47:03 israel and america
2:47:05 adopting yeah
2:47:06 policies israeli
2:47:07 centric policies like
2:47:09 martin index uh dual
2:47:10 containment policy in
2:47:12 19 america i think
2:47:12 al-qaeda hates
2:47:13 america scott i think
2:47:14 why you know what
2:47:15 yeah i’ll tell you
2:47:16 what ali sufan you
2:47:17 know ali sufan the
2:47:18 former fbi agent
2:47:19 counterterrorism agent
2:47:20 he wrote in his book
2:47:21 the black banners that
2:47:23 the bin ladenites said
2:47:24 to bin laden we
2:47:25 don’t understand why
2:47:26 you’re so angry at
2:47:27 america they’ve been
2:47:28 so good to us in
2:47:31 afghanistan in bosnia in
2:47:32 kosovo and now here
2:47:34 in chechnya why do
2:47:34 you want to attack
2:47:35 them and not
2:47:37 i have a larger
2:47:38 agenda that you
2:47:38 don’t understand
2:47:39 the disagreement
2:47:40 between you is clear
2:47:41 i’ve talked to noam
2:47:42 chomsky twice
2:47:43 this guy you focus on
2:47:44 the criticism
2:47:44 you should interview
2:47:45 michael shoyer
2:47:46 although he’s gone
2:47:47 pretty crazy lately i
2:47:48 don’t know maybe not
2:47:50 anyway we’re going
2:47:51 into history we’re
2:47:52 learning a lot the
2:47:53 perspectives differ
2:47:54 strongly uh can we
2:47:56 look into the maybe a
2:47:57 ridiculous question but
2:47:58 a nuclear proliferation
2:47:58 question you already
2:47:59 started to speak to
2:48:01 both of you uh if
2:48:02 you look like 10 20
2:48:04 years out now does
2:48:07 does the u.s attacking
2:48:08 iran does that send a
2:48:12 message even to mbs to
2:48:13 other middle eastern
2:48:14 nations that they need
2:48:15 to start thinking about
2:48:17 um a nuclear weapon
2:48:19 program it’s specifically
2:48:21 like do you think just
2:48:22 in a numbers way does
2:48:23 the number of nukes in
2:48:24 the world go up in 10
2:48:26 20 30 years so look i
2:48:27 i think uh it’s a
2:48:28 great question will
2:48:29 there be more nuclear
2:48:30 weapons powers in the
2:48:31 future uh or less as
2:48:32 a result of this decision
2:48:35 by president trump so i
2:48:35 actually think there’ll
2:48:37 be less um and i’ll
2:48:39 tell you uh it’s succinctly
2:48:40 as i can and that is
2:48:41 that it’s been very clear
2:48:43 from the saudis from the
2:48:46 turks um certainly from
2:48:48 the um even the
2:48:49 algerians and others that
2:48:51 if iran gets a nuclear
2:48:52 weapon they too want a
2:48:53 nuclear weapon in fact
2:48:55 the saudis have gone even
2:48:56 further and said if if
2:48:57 iran is allowed to
2:48:58 retain the key
2:48:59 enrichment capability
2:49:01 that they have under
2:49:03 jcpoa that we want
2:49:04 that too there’s an
2:49:05 iran standard we want
2:49:06 the iran standard we
2:49:07 don’t want the gold
2:49:08 standard in fact that’s
2:49:09 been the subject of
2:49:11 intensive negotiations
2:49:11 between the united
2:49:12 states and saudi
2:49:13 arabia for the past
2:49:14 couple years both under
2:49:16 biden and trump as part
2:49:17 of the u.s saudi
2:49:19 uh agreement defense
2:49:20 agreement and economic
2:49:21 agreement that that has
2:49:23 been underway it is it’s
2:49:24 very clear that there’s
2:49:25 going to be a
2:49:26 proliferation cascade in
2:49:27 the middle east if the
2:49:28 iranians get a nuclear
2:49:29 weapon and certainly if
2:49:30 they’re allowed to retain
2:49:32 this enrichment capability
2:49:33 i also worry about we
2:49:34 haven’t even talked about
2:49:35 it at all this
2:49:36 conversation i mean the
2:49:38 most important area in
2:49:39 the world the united
2:49:40 states is not the middle
2:49:41 east it’s china and the
2:49:43 indo-pacific and i worry
2:49:44 that the south koreans
2:49:46 the taiwanese and the
2:49:47 japanese will say you
2:49:48 know we don’t trust in
2:49:50 any u.s commitments to
2:49:52 stop nuclear weapons
2:49:53 you’ve failed on iran
2:49:55 we don’t trust you we
2:49:56 don’t trust your nuclear
2:49:58 umbrella we too want
2:50:00 nuclear weapons in order
2:50:01 to guard our security
2:50:03 against china and so what
2:50:05 you would see i i hope
2:50:06 it doesn’t happen but i
2:50:07 worry about is this kind
2:50:08 of proliferation cascade
2:50:10 in the middle east and in
2:50:11 the indo-pacific two of
2:50:12 the most important areas
2:50:13 for american national
2:50:14 security which is why i
2:50:15 think it’s very important
2:50:18 that that be that iran’s
2:50:19 be stopped now whether
2:50:21 this attack is succeeds
2:50:22 in stopping iran’s
2:50:23 nuclear weapon or
2:50:25 accelerates it we we
2:50:26 disagree but i think
2:50:28 neither us know yet hard
2:50:30 to predict but what i
2:50:31 think is absolutely
2:50:32 certain is that if iran
2:50:34 develops that nuclear
2:50:35 weapon and is allowed to
2:50:36 retain the key
2:50:37 capabilities to do so
2:50:38 you’re going to see
2:50:40 five six countries in
2:50:40 the middle east at
2:50:41 least three four
2:50:41 countries in the
2:50:43 indo-pacific asking for
2:50:44 the same capability and
2:50:45 then you’re going to
2:50:46 have a club of nuclear
2:50:48 weapons powers that
2:50:49 will have an additional
2:50:50 five six seven over the
2:50:52 next 10 to 20 years
2:50:53 what if they don’t what
2:50:54 if they’re prevented
2:50:55 doesn’t that still send
2:50:56 the same message to
2:50:58 everybody that they
2:51:00 should build oh i
2:51:00 think it sends the
2:51:01 opposite message lex i
2:51:03 think if they see what
2:51:04 has happened and that
2:51:05 it’s and that it’s
2:51:06 successful and it
2:51:07 stopped iran from
2:51:08 developing nuclear
2:51:09 weapons and in
2:51:11 addition trump was
2:51:12 able to negotiate an
2:51:13 agreement for zero
2:51:15 enrichment and full
2:51:16 dismantlement then the
2:51:17 message to all these
2:51:18 other countries is number
2:51:20 one you don’t need it and
2:51:21 number two if you try to
2:51:22 get it then the united
2:51:24 states is going to use
2:51:25 american power now i’m not
2:51:26 suggesting the united
2:51:27 states is going to start
2:51:28 bombing the saudis or the
2:51:29 turks or the emiratis
2:51:31 clearly not the japanese i
2:51:31 mean these are many of
2:51:33 them are allies but i think
2:51:34 the united states retains
2:51:36 many tools counter
2:51:37 proliferation tools to
2:51:38 prevent these countries
2:51:39 from developing nuclear
2:51:41 weapons including you
2:51:42 know sanctions and
2:51:43 export controls and many
2:51:45 of the things and plus i
2:51:45 think those countries
2:51:47 you know i understand
2:51:48 that in the middle east
2:51:51 despite scott’s focus on
2:51:53 israel you know when you
2:51:55 talk to arab leaders
2:51:57 their biggest concern is
2:51:58 the threat from iran it’s
2:51:59 not the threat from israel
2:52:00 they’re not concerned with
2:52:01 the threat from israel
2:52:02 that’s why you had the
2:52:03 abraham accords you know
2:52:05 this is why the uae and
2:52:07 bahrain and morocco entered
2:52:08 into this peace agreement
2:52:09 with israel the saudis will
2:52:10 one day and they’ll bring
2:52:12 many other arab and muslim
2:52:13 countries in it they don’t
2:52:14 say israel is a threat they
2:52:16 see iran as a threat and so
2:52:17 if you counter that threat
2:52:19 you eliminate iran’s
2:52:20 nuclear weapons
2:52:22 proliferation and
2:52:23 expansion those countries
2:52:25 now no longer have to
2:52:27 build nuclear weapons
2:52:28 capabilities to counter the
2:52:30 iranians now we’ve also
2:52:31 restored our credibility
2:52:34 we don’t bluff we said
2:52:35 iran doesn’t develop nuclear
2:52:36 weapons they won’t
2:52:38 and now it’s the japanese
2:52:40 who have as scott rightly
2:52:41 pointed out they do have
2:52:43 reprocessing and plutonium
2:52:46 capabilities the taiwanese who
2:52:47 used to have a military
2:52:48 nuclear weapons program and
2:52:49 gave it up and the south
2:52:51 koreans who agree to our
2:52:52 gold standard of zero
2:52:54 enrichment zero reprocessing
2:52:56 those three countries can now
2:52:57 say okay we rely on the
2:53:00 united states on your word
2:53:02 on your power and on your
2:53:04 ability to to actually turn
2:53:06 words into action we don’t
2:53:07 need nuclear weapons so i i’d
2:53:10 say if successful big f big
2:53:12 f if successful then it’s
2:53:15 going to be a significant
2:53:18 um guard against the
2:53:19 potential of greater nuclear
2:53:21 proliferation and we will
2:53:23 have less nuclear powers
2:53:25 nuclear weapons powers than uh
2:53:26 than we otherwise would have
2:53:27 my favorite thing is when you
2:53:29 guys point out when you agree
2:53:30 with the other person
2:53:32 anyway uh sky what do you
2:53:33 think what do you think
2:53:34 everything that’s just
2:53:35 happened over the past two
2:53:37 weeks does to nuclear nuclear
2:53:39 proliferation over the next
2:53:40 five ten twenty years
2:53:42 oh i mean i really don’t know
2:53:43 for sure but i would think
2:53:45 that um the uh there’s a very
2:53:48 great danger that it’s going
2:53:49 to reinforce the lessons of
2:53:51 north korea iraq and libya
2:53:53 which is you better get a nuke
2:53:55 to keep america out and you
2:53:56 better hurry before it’s too
2:53:58 late now for the saudis they’re
2:53:59 not going to do that because
2:54:00 they’re obviously a very
2:54:02 close american client state so
2:54:03 it’s a different dynamic there
2:54:05 but you know for any country
2:54:06 that has trouble with the
2:54:07 united states or is worried
2:54:09 about the future of their
2:54:10 ability to maintain their
2:54:11 national sovereignty
2:54:13 obviously getting their hands
2:54:14 on an a-bomb as quickly as
2:54:17 possible is uh has been you
2:54:18 know re-incentivized to a
2:54:20 great degree also i’m really
2:54:20 worried about the future of
2:54:22 the non-proliferation treaty
2:54:23 where the nuclear weapons
2:54:24 states promise to respect the
2:54:26 right of non-nuclear weapons
2:54:27 states to civilian nuclear
2:54:30 energy and where here you
2:54:34 have a non-npt signatory
2:54:36 nuclear weapons state israel
2:54:38 launch an aggressive war against
2:54:42 an npt signatory that is was
2:54:44 not attacking them and was not
2:54:45 making nuclear weapons and with
2:54:47 the assistance of the world
2:54:49 empire the united states another
2:54:51 nuclear weapons state signatory
2:54:53 to the npt and i don’t really
2:54:55 take this that seriously but it’s
2:54:57 worth at least listening to is
2:55:01 uh midvedev the uh once and
2:55:02 probably future president of
2:55:04 russia he said oh yeah well
2:55:05 maybe we’ll just give them a
2:55:07 nuke or kind of implied maybe
2:55:09 get pakistan to now for people
2:55:11 familiar with like key and peel
2:55:13 midvedev is sort of angry obama
2:55:15 right for putin you know that
2:55:17 skit where it’s like obama talks
2:55:19 all calm anger translator he’ll
2:55:20 goes off like an angry black guy
2:55:22 kind of character right going nuts
2:55:25 on twitter midvedev he he goes
2:55:27 way out you know above and beyond
2:55:28 but i think he’s probably acting on
2:55:30 instructions to talk that way and it
2:55:33 is a real risk that the mpt could
2:55:36 just fall apart when it becomes when
2:55:38 it’s treated uh so callously by the
2:55:40 united states who invented it and
2:55:42 insisted that the rest of the world
2:55:43 adopt the thing to such a great
2:55:45 degree trump did say don’t use the
2:55:47 n-word he he talked down to midvedev
2:55:48 that’s right yeah he did around the end
2:55:51 the nuclear word yeah well and and i
2:55:53 appreciate that good and i he’s
2:55:55 right he’s right in that it’s not
2:55:57 and look the pakistanis could give a
2:55:59 nuke to iran who are their friends i
2:56:01 think not the tightest of allies i’m
2:56:03 not saying i predict that but there’s a
2:56:06 danger of that um now when it comes to
2:56:09 you know eastern asia obviously there’s
2:56:11 a concern about a chinese threat to
2:56:13 taiwan but nobody thinks china’s coming
2:56:17 for south korea or japan the the
2:56:19 question of taiwan is one that’s very
2:56:21 different because as the american
2:56:23 president agreed with mao seetong 50
2:56:26 years ago taiwan is part of china and
2:56:28 eventually will be reunited although we
2:56:31 hope that’s not by force since then they
2:56:33 have essentially abandoned marxism although
2:56:34 it’s still a one-party authoritarian
2:56:37 state but they’ve essentially abandoned
2:56:39 marked marxism adopted markets at least
2:56:40 to the degree that they’ve been able to
2:56:44 afford to now build up a giant naval force
2:56:47 that is capable of retaking taiwan and so
2:56:49 i think the way to prevent that is not
2:56:51 for making a bunch of threats and
2:56:53 setting examples in other places about
2:56:56 how tough we are but to negotiate with
2:56:58 the chinese and the taiwanese and figure
2:57:00 out a way to reunite the two in a
2:57:03 peaceful way in order to prevent that
2:57:05 war from breaking out because in fact we
2:57:07 don’t really have the naval and air
2:57:09 capability to defend taiwan we could
2:57:12 lose a lot of guys trying and probably
2:57:14 kill a lot of chinese trying but in the
2:57:16 end they’d probably take taiwan anyway
2:57:18 we’d have lost a bunch of ships and and
2:57:21 planes for nothing so we can negotiate an
2:57:23 end to that and then even if america just
2:57:26 withdrew from the region we could still
2:57:28 negotiate long-term agreements between
2:57:31 china japan south korea and whoever
2:57:33 there’s no reason to think that everyone
2:57:36 would make a mad scramble to a bomb to
2:57:39 protect them uh if the moment they are out
2:57:42 from under america’s nuclear umbrella and
2:57:44 so forth and the fact of the matter is
2:57:48 that um you know the greatest threat to
2:57:50 the status quo as far as the nuclear
2:57:52 powers go probably is what just happened
2:57:55 america in israel launching this war
2:57:58 against a non-nuclear weapon state as a
2:57:59 member in good standing of this treaty
2:58:02 throws the the whole as they call it the
2:58:05 liberal rules based world order into
2:58:08 question i mean if these rules repeatedly
2:58:11 always apply to everyone else but very
2:58:14 often not to us then are they really the
2:58:16 law or this is just the will of men in
2:58:19 washington dc and how long do we expect the
2:58:21 rest of the world to go ahead and abide by
2:58:23 that if you know a deal is a deal until we
2:58:26 decide as bill clinton said to wake up one
2:58:27 morning and decide that we don’t like it
2:58:30 anymore and and change it that was a phrase
2:58:34 from the founding act of 97 maybe we’ll
2:58:35 wake up one morning and decide that we
2:58:37 don’t want to do something else entirely
2:58:39 now is that your bill clinton impression
2:58:41 no i’ll spare you okay that was pretty
2:58:43 good after the show when we’re not
2:58:45 recording yeah can i respond to a couple
2:58:47 things here just really quickly i’ll try
2:58:49 to do it quickly um first of all you know
2:58:51 the notion that iran is in full compliance
2:58:54 with the npt um is is just not the case
2:58:56 the international atomic energy agency has
2:58:58 made it clear in report after report after
2:59:01 report that iran is in violation of its
2:59:04 obligations under the um protocols of the
2:59:07 iaea under the request that the iaea have
2:59:10 made and under the npt so they are a serial
2:59:12 violator of the npt unlike all these other
2:59:14 countries we’ve been talking about that are
2:59:18 allies second is this this quote um iran
2:59:21 is not attacking israel that’s quite an
2:59:24 amazing quote um which kind of ignores i
2:59:28 think uh 50 60 years of iranian attacks
2:59:33 against israel including um suicide bombings
2:59:40 and missiles and drones and october 7th and
2:59:42 it’s indisputable that iran has been
2:59:44 attacking israel and they’ve been they’ve
2:59:46 been doing it for many years through their
2:59:49 terror proxies that they fund and finance and
2:59:53 and weaponize and since uh october 7th they
2:59:56 directly struck israel with hundreds of
2:59:58 ballistic missiles in april and october of
3:00:00 last year so this notion that before 12 days
3:00:03 ago iranians were just playing nice with
3:00:05 israelis and the israelis just came out of
3:00:07 the blue well you said quote unquote iran is
3:00:09 not as not attacking israel so i mean it’s
3:00:11 just not true yeah they were not in a state
3:00:13 of war until israel launched a state of war
3:00:15 that’s the fact yeah they were at war you go
3:00:17 oh well they backed a group that did a
3:00:19 thing yeah okay kill thousands of israelis
3:00:21 maimed thousands of israelis but that
3:00:23 suicide was not ordered in tehran the wall
3:00:25 street journal says that u.s intelligence
3:00:27 does not believe that tehran ordered that
3:00:28 attack like they found out about what
3:00:30 the wall street journal says and what the
3:00:32 u.s intelligence says and we can dispute
3:00:35 whether they directed it on october 7th
3:00:38 everybody knows indisputably that iran
3:00:41 financed hamas provided fun
3:00:44 hamas with weapons just well just a second
3:00:48 provided hamas with weapons that the irgc and
3:00:50 the quds force were training hamas hezbollah
3:00:52 backed by iran was training hamas there were
3:00:55 three meetings before october 7th one in
3:00:57 beirut one in damascus and one in tehran
3:01:00 where the irgc hezbollah hamas and
3:01:02 palestinian islamic jihad were together
3:01:04 there was a meeting in tehran that was
3:01:06 attended by khamenei the supreme leader
3:01:08 now at those three meetings right before
3:01:10 october 7th you know maybe they’re
3:01:12 discussing the weather maybe they were
3:01:14 discussing persian poetry i don’t know
3:01:16 but it is hard to believe they weren’t
3:01:18 discussing something and the fact that
3:01:21 they had armed hamas financed hamas and
3:01:23 weaponized hamas suggests to me that
3:01:25 there is pretty overwhelming evidence that
3:01:27 iran has been at war with israel for
3:01:29 decades critics of israel will say that
3:01:31 benjamin netanyahu has also been
3:01:34 indirectly financing hamas by allowing the
3:01:36 fund the funds going to say that america
3:01:39 backs israel so anything israel does is
3:01:41 america’s responsibility to under that
3:01:42 same logic right
3:01:45 i think you started to make a point
3:01:47 disagreeing with scott about that they’re
3:01:49 not a good member of the npt that’s all
3:01:51 tiny technical violations none of that
3:01:53 has anything to do with weaponization
3:01:55 it’s always oh yeah how do you explain
3:01:56 this isotope and they go well it must
3:01:58 have came with the pakistani junk that we
3:01:59 bought from akikon and then later that’s
3:02:01 verified and they go yeah well we want to
3:02:03 inspect this let us and they go no and
3:02:05 then they do a year later and then they
3:02:07 find nothing yeah that’s just not the
3:02:09 case that’s just the entire history of
3:02:12 iran of the iaea’s objections to iran so
3:02:13 your listeners i know they’re not going to
3:02:15 do it because it’s a lot of technical
3:02:17 reading with weaponization but just go out
3:02:19 go out and diversion of nuclear reports
3:02:23 dating back at least 20 years and you’ll
3:02:26 see the ia meticulously methodically
3:02:30 dispassionately outlining all of the
3:02:34 violations that iran has embarked on of
3:02:36 the npt virtually all those are resolved
3:02:38 later they won’t answer this and then
3:02:40 later they do they won’t answer that and
3:02:42 then later they do and many open files are
3:02:44 still of it still there i mean just again
3:02:46 like i just i just want your viewers to
3:02:48 walk away from this conversation thing okay
3:02:50 that’s interesting i i didn’t know that and
3:02:52 that i’m gonna go fact check mark and fact
3:02:54 check scott and just kind of see what this
3:02:56 is all about right because otherwise it’s
3:02:59 just he says she says or he says he says
3:03:03 the fact of the matter is is that iran has
3:03:06 been in violations of its obligations under
3:03:09 the npt under the additional protocol it
3:03:12 never been never uh it never ratified under
3:03:16 its safeguards obligations under the npt it
3:03:19 suggests a pattern of nuclear mendacity they
3:03:21 abided by the additional protocol without
3:03:23 having ratified it they abided by it for
3:03:25 three years and did not proceed with any
3:03:27 enrichment at all as long as they were
3:03:29 dealing in good faith with the eu until
3:03:32 w bush ruin those negotiations and close
3:03:33 them down only then did they begin to
3:03:35 install the centrifuges at natance it’s
3:03:37 always the americans screw things you
3:03:39 complain they didn’t ratify the thing but
3:03:41 they abided by it for years so that’s an
3:03:44 interesting violation of it but i think a
3:03:46 more pragmatic and important disagreement
3:03:50 that we already spoke to is how do we
3:03:52 decrease the incentive for iran to build
3:03:54 nuclear programs not just the next couple
3:03:57 years but it’s 10 20 years what that’s you’re
3:03:59 mocking that there’s a lot of people that
3:04:01 will there’s neocons that say basically
3:04:03 invade everything let’s make money off of
3:04:05 war but there’s people that will say that
3:04:08 you know operation midnight hammer is
3:04:12 actually a focused hard demonstration of
3:04:13 strength a piece of strength that is an
3:04:16 effective way to do geopolitics i mean
3:04:17 there’s cases to be made for all of it if
3:04:20 we’re really lucky yeah so it’s a big risk
3:04:22 is your case so here’s some practical
3:04:24 recommendations that i think the united states
3:04:27 should follow i think the first is you know
3:04:29 get the iranians back to oman negotiate
3:04:31 with them and do a deal again the deal has to
3:04:33 be no enrichment full dismantlement i i think
3:04:35 for the reasons we talked about today scott and
3:04:37 i passionately disagreed but that’s fine we
3:04:40 this is this is a reasonable debate
3:04:42 neither of us is crazy neither of us is
3:04:45 irrational it is what would it take to get a
3:04:48 deal with iran i say i say this is the deal
3:04:50 this has to be our red line scott disagrees
3:04:51 that’s fine but we got to get a deal
3:04:54 in that deal we got to provide them financial
3:04:55 incentives right we’re going to have to lift
3:04:59 a certain number of sanctions because they’re
3:05:00 going to have to get something in return
3:05:04 okay we can argue about exactly how much but
3:05:05 i think our opening negotiating position is
3:05:07 no sanctions relief and then we’ll get
3:05:10 negotiated down from that right i mean like
3:05:12 i think a lot of this is about how do you
3:05:14 position yourself for negotiation how do you
3:05:16 how do you come in with leverage and then
3:05:19 how do you find areas of compromise where
3:05:22 you you satisfy your objectives one is oman
3:05:25 two is the credible threat of military force
3:05:28 needs to remain right khamenei needs to
3:05:29 understand that the united states of america
3:05:33 and israel will use military force to stop
3:05:34 him from developing nuclear weapons if he
3:05:37 didn’t believe that before 12 days ago he
3:05:39 now believes that and i think that’s the
3:05:42 credibility of that military force has to
3:05:44 be maintained in order to ensure that he
3:05:46 does not break out or sneak out to a nuclear
3:05:48 weapon i think that’s absolutely critical
3:05:50 third is i think we have to reach agreements
3:05:52 with all the other countries in the middle
3:05:54 east to say hey listen we’re demanding
3:05:56 zero enrichment and full dismantlement from
3:05:58 the iranians you don’t get enrichment and
3:06:01 you don’t get a nuclear program that is capable of
3:06:04 developing nuclear weapons our gold standard is
3:06:07 the american standard civilian nuclear energy
3:06:10 like 23 countries no enrichment and reprocess we
3:06:12 should be consistent we should be consistent not
3:06:14 just with american allies but also very clear with
3:06:16 american enemies i think that’s the third
3:06:19 important thing we do fourth is i think it’s
3:06:23 really important that we find some kind of
3:06:26 accommodation between the israelis and the
3:06:29 palestinians we can go down many rabbit holes on
3:06:32 that but i think that lays the predicate for a
3:06:35 saudi israeli normalization deal that then brings in
3:06:39 multiple arab countries and muslim countries and
3:06:42 finally is we talked about the abraham
3:06:44 accords i i think we need to start thinking about
3:06:47 what are the cyrus accords look like right cyrus was
3:06:50 the great persian king right who by the way brought the you
3:06:55 know the jews back from um from the diaspora to jerusalem and
3:07:00 cyrus accords would be let’s find an agreement between the united states and
3:07:05 israel and iran that would be a remarkable transformation in the region if we
3:07:08 could actually do that so imagine a middle east and again i know this sounds
3:07:12 fanciful but i think this is what trump has in mind when he starts to talk
3:07:15 about the things you’re seeing in these truth posts is actually a middle east that
3:07:19 can be fundamentally transformed where we actually do bring peace
3:07:25 between israel iran saudi arabia and the rest of these countries i by the way
3:07:31 completely agree with you on syria the idea that we are trusting a former
3:07:36 al-qaeda isis jihadist uh to rule syria i think is a big bet
3:07:40 president trump has made he’s made it on the advice of mbs
3:07:46 we’ll see how that transforms uh or transpires and see if syria is transformed
3:07:50 but the notion that somehow we should just be rolling the dice lifting all the
3:07:57 sanctions and taking this former al-qaeda jihadist at his word is uh a big bet
3:08:00 if we get the bet right that is actually a remarkable
3:08:04 occurrence because now all of a sudden syria and lebanon are brought into
3:08:09 this abraham accord cyrus accords structure and then we actually have what
3:08:13 i think that all three of us want is peace in the middle east stability in the
3:08:17 middle east i don’t think we need democracy in the middle east i think if the
3:08:20 middle east looked like the uae that’d be a pretty good middle east i think we’d
3:08:24 all be pretty comfortable with that if that kind of stability and prosperity
3:08:28 and ultimately you could put these countries on a pathway to greater democracy
3:08:33 the way that we did during the cold war where countries like taiwan and south
3:08:37 korea that were military dictatorships end up becoming pro-western democracy so
3:08:42 that’s kind of stepping back maybe a little bit pollyannish but i think we
3:08:45 should also always keep in mind what a potential vision for peace could look
3:08:52 right so scott as many people know here in austin texas you’re the director of
3:08:56 the libertarian institute um let’s zoom out a bit what are the key
3:09:01 pillars of libertarianism and how that informs how you see the world
3:09:09 well the very basis of libertarianism is the non-aggression principle but uh which
3:09:12 essentially is the same thing as our our social rules for dealing with each other
3:09:18 in private life no force no theft no fraud and keep your hands to yourself and we
3:09:23 apply that same moral law to government and so you know some libertarians are
3:09:28 anarcho-capitalists some are uh so-called minarchists meaning we want the absolute
3:09:33 minimum amount of government a night watchman type state uh and in other words
3:09:38 just enough to enforce contracts and protect property rights and allow freedom and a
3:09:44 free market to work there’s also of course natural rights theory austrian school economics and a lot
3:09:53 of revisionist history um and uh and it something very uh key to uh libertarian theory was is
3:09:58 expressed by murray and rothbard was that war is the key to the whole libertarian business
3:10:02 because especially in the united states of america as long as we maintain a world empire
3:10:07 makes it impossible for us to have a limited and decentralized government here at home as our
3:10:12 constitution describes and so i was going to crack a joke but neither of you have called me an
3:10:17 isolationist yet but i was going to joke that yes as as thomas jefferson wrote in the declaration of
3:10:23 isolation um the same guy a principal author of the declaration of isolation he said in his first
3:10:28 inaugural address we seek peace commerce and honest friendship with all nations and entangling
3:10:33 alliances with none and that’s the true libertarian philosophy think dr ron paul the great congressman
3:10:39 uh for many years up there he was opposed to all sanctions all economic war on the rest of the world
3:10:47 and the entire state of the united states as world empire and what’s strange now is that anyone who
3:10:55 wants just peace as the standard is considered an isolationist and people who are for world empire
3:11:00 and a permanent state of conflict with the rest of the world economic war coups and regime changes and
3:11:06 even invasions those are considered normal people it’s almost like people who want peace should be
3:11:12 called cis foreign policy because now we gotta we have to come up with a funny word to describe a
3:11:19 normal state of being when no one calls mexico an isolationist state just because they mind their own
3:11:26 business and is there any faction anywhere in america that calls themselves isolationist even the paleo
3:11:32 conservatives who favor much more like trade protectionism and that kind of thing than libertarians
3:11:37 they don’t call themselves isolationists they still want to have an open relationship with the world
3:11:43 to some degree when isolation means like the hermit kingdom of north korea or some crazy thing like
3:11:49 that no one wants that for the united states of america what we want is independence non-interventionism
3:11:55 and peace so to you isolationism is a kind of dirty word that’s right it’s a smear term invented by
3:12:00 interventionists and internationalists to attack anyone who didn’t want to go along with their agenda
3:12:06 the term itself is used essentially as a smear against anyone who doesn’t want to go to war
3:12:13 so can you actually just deeper describe what non-interventionism means so how much sort of
3:12:18 display of military strength should be there do you think dr paul said we could defend this country
3:12:24 with a couple of good submarines which by the way for people who don’t know one american trident sub
3:12:31 could essentially kill every city and military base in russia just one so he’s absolutely right about
3:12:36 that couple of good submarines are enough to defend our coast and deter anyone from messing with the
3:12:42 united states of america and then i admit i’m a little bit idealistic about this that i think of
3:12:49 that old william jennings bryan speech behold a republic where unlike the empires of europe burdened
3:12:56 under the weight of militarism here we have a free country and where you know what we could do
3:13:02 we could be the host of peace conferences everywhere there are frozen conflicts in the
3:13:10 conflicts in the donbass in kaliningrad in transnistria in taiwan in korea um virtually all the borders of africa
3:13:17 and eurasia were drawn by european powers to either divide and conquer their enemies or artificially group
3:13:22 their enemies together in order to keep them internally divided and conquered in those ways so
3:13:28 there are a great many borders in the world that are in contention and that people might even want
3:13:34 to fight about and i think that america could play a wonderful role in helping to negotiate and resolve
3:13:40 those types of conflicts without resorting to force or or even making any promises on the part of the u.s
3:13:44 government like we’ll pay egypt to pretend to be nice to israel or anything like that but just
3:13:50 find ways to host conferences and and find resolutions to these problems and i think quite
3:13:56 sincerely that donald trump right now could get on a plane to tehran he could then go to moscow
3:14:03 to beijing and pyongyang and he could come home and be trump the great we in fact don’t have to have
3:14:10 the especially the american hyper power as the french called it the world empire we have everything to give
3:14:15 nothing to lose to go ahead and donald trump even talked like this you might remember when he first
3:14:20 was sworn in this time he said you know what instead of pivoting from terrorism to great power competition
3:14:26 with russia and china i don’t want to do that i just want to get along with both of them let’s just move
3:14:31 on and have the rest of the century be peace and prosperity and not fighting at all why should we have
3:14:38 to pivot to china let’s just pivot to capitalism and trade and freedom and peace that’s america first
3:14:44 yeah i’ve uh i’ve criticized trump a lot but i think maybe he’s just rhetoric but i think he talks about
3:14:49 peace a lot even just recently the the number of times the word peace is mentioned and with seriousness
3:14:58 not you get like a genuine desire for peace from him and that’s just beautiful to see for the leader of
3:15:03 of this country and look man there used to be a time when a third of the planet was dominated by
3:15:08 the communists right so like i’m not gonna sit here and argue the first cold war with you my book’s
3:15:14 about the second one and i’m not as good on the first but since the end of the first cold war we have let
3:15:22 the neoconservative policy of the defense plan and guidance of 92 and rebuilding america’s defenses and
3:15:31 the rest of this american uh dominance centered policy uh control our entire direction in the world
3:15:35 it’s led to the war on terrorism in the middle east seven countries we’ve attacked it’s led to the
3:15:42 disaster in eastern europe and it’s leading toward disaster in eastern asia when there’s just no reason
3:15:48 in the world that it has to be this way with the commies dead and gone and again i to stipulate here
3:15:53 the chinese flag is still red it’s still a one-party dictatorship but they have abandoned
3:15:58 marxism i mean people were starving to death by the tens of millions there it’s a huge it’s probably
3:16:03 the greatest improvement in the condition of mankind anywhere ever in the shortest amount of time
3:16:07 when deng Xiaoping and the right wing of the communist party took over in that country
3:16:12 just one more thing you mentioned the two submarines what’s the role of nuclear weapons
3:16:19 well i would like for america to have an extremely minimal nuclear deterrent and work toward a world
3:16:25 free of nuclear weapons and i know that that sounds utopian however i would remind your audience that
3:16:31 ronald reagan and mikhail gorbachev came within a hair of achieving a deal just like that at reikovic
3:16:40 iceland in 1986 and they were both of them dead serious about it complete and total nuclear disarmament
3:16:46 and then reagan was essentially bullied by richard pearl and others on his staff saying you promised
3:16:51 the american people that you would build them a defensive anti-missile system the star wars system
3:16:57 which was total pie in the sky technological fantasy of the 1980s and if you’re getting rid of
3:17:02 all the icbms then why the hell do you need a missile shield anyway it was the world’s probably
3:17:07 greatest tragedy that ever took place that ronald reagan walked away from those negotiations they
3:17:15 literally were within a hair and it wasn’t magic and there was no trust in evil bad guys this is by the
3:17:21 way two years before the wall came down this is when everybody still thought the ussr was gonna last
3:17:28 and reagan had the plan was that america and the soviet union would dismantle our nuclear weapons
3:17:32 until we were right around with parity with the other nuclear weapon states who all have right around
3:17:38 two or three hundred nukes france britain at that time israel and china indian pakistan came later south
3:17:43 africa only had a few then but gave up whatever they had and the idea was we would get down to two or
3:17:48 three hundred and then america and the soviet union both together would lean hard on britain france and
3:17:54 china let’s all get down to 100 let’s all see if we can get down to 50 etc like that in stages again
3:18:00 ronald reagan we’re talking about here trust but verify means do not trust at all it means be polite
3:18:07 while you verify and in fact america did help dismantle upwards of 60 something thousand soviet
3:18:14 nuclear missiles in the after the end of the cold war and so it is possible to live in a world where at the
3:18:19 very least we have a situation where the major powers have a few nukes
3:18:25 and potentially can even come to an arrangement to get rid of the rest
3:18:28 we should also just say one more thing not to be ageist
3:18:31 but most of the major leaders
3:18:32 with nukes
3:18:34 and those with power in the world
3:18:36 are in their 70s and 80s
3:18:40 i don’t know if that contributes to it but they kind of are grounded in a different time
3:18:48 that may i have a hope for the fresher younger leaders to have a more optimistic view towards peace
3:18:50 and to be able to reach towards peace
3:18:54 and underlying so much of what we’re talking about here is all this enmity right
3:18:59 but if america could just work remember when china cut that pseudo sort of peace deal between
3:19:02 saudi and iran a couple years ago or last year was it
3:19:04 we could try to double up on that
3:19:07 we should we could try to come up with ways for
3:19:09 saudi and iran to exchange as much as possible
3:19:11 you know um
3:19:14 i know you don’t like all the going back too far in history
3:19:15 but it’s important it’s in my book that
3:19:16 in 1993
3:19:20 zbignan brzezinski who the revolution had happened on his watch
3:19:24 operation eagle claw the disaster of the rescue mission in 79
3:19:28 after the hostage crisis and everything all that egg was on zb’s face
3:19:32 but in 93 he said we should normalize relations
3:19:35 we should build an oil pipeline across iran
3:19:36 so they can make money we can make money
3:19:38 and we can start to normalize
3:19:42 and ronald reagan’s secretary of state alexander haig
3:19:45 who had been kissinger’s right-hand man agreed
3:19:47 they both were trying to push that
3:19:50 but the clinton administration went ahead with martin indyk
3:19:55 who had been yitzhak shamir’s man and inaugurated the dual containment policy
3:19:57 instead because the israelis were concerned
3:20:00 that america had just beaten up on iraq so bad in iraq war one
3:20:03 that now iraq wasn’t powerful enough to balance against iran
3:20:07 so america had to stay in saudi to balance against them both
3:20:09 and that was the origin of the dual containment policy
3:20:11 it was martin indyk who had been yitzhak shamir’s man
3:20:13 who pushed it on clinton
3:20:15 and this was not the israelis
3:20:17 it was the kuwaitis who lied
3:20:22 that there was a truck bomb attempt assassination against h.w. bush
3:20:24 which was a total hoax
3:20:26 it was debunked by seymour hirsch by the end of the year
3:20:28 it was just a whiskey smuggling ring
3:20:31 and it was the same guy whose daughter had claimed to have seen
3:20:34 the iraqi soldiers throw the babies out of the incubators
3:20:36 he was the guy who two years later
3:20:41 made up this hoax about saddam hussein trying to murder bush senior
3:20:44 but when he did that was when bill clinton finally gave in
3:20:47 and adopted the dual containment policy because he had been interested in
3:20:51 potentially reaching out to saddam and the ayatollah both at that time
3:20:53 but instead of having normalization with both
3:20:57 we had to have permanent cold war through the end of the century with both
3:21:00 and my argument is simply it just didn’t have to be that way
3:21:01 it’s the same thing with russia
3:21:05 look at you know how determined the democrats especially
3:21:07 are to have this conflict with russia
3:21:08 where to donald trump
3:21:09 nah not at all
3:21:10 we could get along with them
3:21:13 and so it’s perfectly within reason
3:21:15 if the big nebrzezinski says we can talk with iran
3:21:17 and get along with iran
3:21:19 and donald trump says we can get along with russia
3:21:21 then the same thing for north korea
3:21:23 the same thing for china
3:21:26 and then and then who do we have left to fight
3:21:30 hezbollah hezbollah is nothing without iran
3:21:32 we’ll just have scott and i fighting
3:21:33 that’s that’ll be the last remaining
3:21:34 that’s a fun kind of fight
3:21:35 that’ll be fun
3:21:36 okay mark peaceful
3:21:41 you’re the ceo of fdd the foundation for defense of democracies
3:21:47 it’s a dc-based organization that focuses on national security and foreign policy
3:21:53 what has been your approach to solving some of these problems of the world
3:21:57 so look i love the vision that scott painted
3:22:01 um and i i agree with some of the libertarian instincts that he has
3:22:06 but my view is that america is the indispensable power
3:22:10 um scott mentioned earlier in the conversation about the rules-based order
3:22:15 that is so important and the npt and all these rules-based agreements that are important
3:22:22 to maintain well the rules-based order has been maintained by the united states since world war ii
3:22:24 right there is no american prosperity
3:22:29 to the degree that we have there’s no recovery of europe there’s no recovery of asia after the
3:22:35 devastation of world war ii without american power and the rules-based order that america has
3:22:39 led and backstopped and i think america first
3:22:45 is about american power and deterrence i think if you want to avoid war
3:22:51 i think you cannot just believe in some fantasy where all the world’s leaders are going to get
3:22:55 together in some place and are just going to agree to disarm all their nuclear weapons
3:23:01 and we’ll disarm our entire military and we’ll have one submarine off our coast
3:23:05 and some all of that is going to lead to peace i mean i think what has led to peace
3:23:13 in the past has been the american ford deterrence of our military and a belief that our enemies
3:23:18 think we will credibly use it i think if they believe we’ll credibly use it
3:23:22 then it’s less likely they will challenge us and if they’re less likely to challenge us
3:23:25 and challenge our allies there’s less likely to be war
3:23:32 so for me deterrence leads to peace and any kind of unilateral disarmament
3:23:40 any kind of i think sort of fanciful notion that somehow their our enemies are going to
3:23:47 respect the non-aggression principle that is the core fundamental underpinnings of libertarianism
3:23:52 which i think in in a personal relationship i think is very important but remember these are
3:23:57 aggressors they don’t respect the non-aggression principle i think we can spend a lot of time we did
3:24:04 over how many hours now has it been talking about the fact that in scott’s view of the world it’s
3:24:08 america that provokes it’s america that provokes and then it’s not america provoking it’s israel
3:24:15 provoking and oh by the way america provokes because we’re being seduced or paid or browbeaten by those
3:24:21 those israelis and you know those jews in america i mean i think that whole notion that somehow we
3:24:29 we are we are the provocative force in global politics i think is is wrong i think the fact of
3:24:36 the matter is we make mistakes we are an imperfect nation we have made some serious sometimes catastrophic
3:24:44 mistakes but there is a bad world out there there are evil men who want to do us harm and we have to
3:24:50 prevent away prevent them from doing us harm and to do that we need an american military that is serious
3:24:55 and well supported we don’t need a military industrial complex that ultimately is going to
3:25:00 pull us into wars we need thoughtful leaders like president trump who will resist that and will say
3:25:07 at the end of the day i will use force when it is selective narrow overwhelming and deadly and that was
3:25:15 trump’s operation just a few days ago he he went after three key facilities that were being used to develop
3:25:22 the capability for nuclear weapons nuclear weapons are the greatest danger to humanity i totally agree with
3:25:28 scott like i think a world without nuclear weapons the kind of world that that reagan envisioned and
3:25:33 others have envisioned since is really the only way we can eliminate the most devastating weapons that
3:25:40 could end humankind but we have to make sure that those weapons don’t end up in the hands of regimes
3:25:46 that seek to do us harm and that have have done us harm over over many many decades so yeah i mean
3:25:53 deterrence peace through strength rules-based order the foundation for defense of democracies is not the
3:25:58 foundation for promotion of democracy we don’t believe in this important concept that we have to promote
3:26:03 democracy around the world i’ll speak for myself because we have many people at my think tank we’re 105 people
3:26:08 we have different views i don’t personally believe that it is the role of the united states to bring
3:26:13 democracy to the middle east or democracy around the world i think to the extent we’ve tried we failed i’m
3:26:18 not sure the middle east is ready for democracy now iran is interesting because it’s not an arab country
3:26:25 right it is a it is a different country altogether culturally it’s a very sophisticated country it has a long
3:26:32 history it actually has a history where it has had democracy in the past it is a country that i think
3:26:37 can have incredible potential under the right leadership and under the right circumstances i don’t know if
3:26:43 the right circumstances are a constitutional monarchy with reza palavi as the as the as the as the crown
3:26:48 prince or the shah i don’t know whether it’s a secular democracy or not let let let iranians make that
3:26:53 decision i’ve been pronouncing it wrong this whole time reza palavi you know the guy i met him yeah
3:26:59 yeah yeah olivi palavi what were you saying i thought it was palavi oh wow yeah no it’s okay
3:27:08 it’s okay you know that’s the only thing you’ve ever gotten wrong pronouncing so many things
3:27:13 correctly i think people will give you a pass can i ask you though like i mean all this militarization
3:27:23 has led to a state of permanent war we’ve been bombing iraq for 34 years we uh launched we put uh a war
3:27:28 against the taliban who didn’t attack us instead of al-qaeda who did fought for 20 years and the
3:27:33 taliban won anyway we overthrew a launched an aggressive war against saddam hussein put the
3:27:38 ayatollah’s best friends in power we launched an aggressive war against libya on this ridiculous hoax
3:27:44 that qaddafi was about to murder every last man woman and child in benghazi imagine charlotte north
3:27:50 carolina being wiped off the map barack obama lied in order to start that war and completely destroyed
3:27:55 libya it’s now three pieces in a state of semi-permanent civil war including and this wasn’t
3:28:00 just back then this is to this day the re-legalization and re-institutionalization of chattel
3:28:07 slavery of sub-saharan black africans in libya to this day as a result the our intervention this was
3:28:14 not a direct overt war but america israel saudi qatar and turkey all back to bin ladenites in syria
3:28:18 completely destroyed syria to the point where the caliphate grew up and then we had to launch
3:28:24 iraq war three to destroy the caliphate again and so i’m i’m not seeing the peace through strength i’m
3:28:29 seeing permanent militarism and permanent war through strength point well made he’s speaking to the the
3:28:36 double-edged sword of a strong military that what you mentioned that trump did seems like a very
3:28:43 difficult thing to do which is keep it hit hard and keep it short we don’t know how this ended yet
3:28:52 but even the beginning part is not trivial to do like just hitting one mission and vocalizing
3:29:01 except for one post uh no regime change like really pushing peace make a deal cease fire like that’s
3:29:07 i that’s an uncommon way to operate so i guess you said that we should resist the military industrial
3:29:13 complex that’s not easy to do that that that’s the double-edged sword of a strong military let me say
3:29:17 real quick and i promise i can i i’m gonna say one thing and then i’ll stop you made a point then i just
3:29:23 i just want to add it’s a really important point okay is grassroots effort there is no houthi lobby in
3:29:30 america okay it was grassroots efforts by libertarians quakers and leftists to get war powers
3:29:35 resolutions introduced in trump’s first term to stop the war in yemen which was launched not for
3:29:42 israel for saudi arabia and uae by barack obama in 2015 that’s not a first afghan war wasn’t about
3:29:51 israel either okay but this yemen war was i thought 9-11 was about israel well it was in great part but
3:29:56 the af the decision to sack kabul and do a regime change and all that had nothing to do with the
3:30:01 lakut whatsoever other than well we got to keep the war going long enough to go to baghdad okay so
3:30:05 it was his real fault i was in the middle of saying about the war in yemen that we got the war powers
3:30:13 resolution through twice and trump vetoed it twice and his man pete navarro explained to the new york times
3:30:20 that this was just welfare for american industry a lot of industrialists were angry about the tariffs
3:30:26 disrupting trade with china and somehow they substituted raytheon for all american industry
3:30:32 somehow and said industry will be happy if we funnel a lot of money to raytheon that’s pete navarro
3:30:37 talking to the new york times about why they continued the war in yemen throughout trump’s entire first term
3:30:41 he had no interest in it at all the whole thing was this it was obama’s fault the whole thing was
3:30:45 essentially on autopilot and what was he doing he’s flying as al-qaeda’s air force
3:30:51 against the houthis who originally if you go back to january of 2015 america was passing intelligence
3:30:55 to the houthis to use to kill al-qaeda you know aqap the guys that tried to blow up the plane over
3:31:00 detroit with the underpants bomb on christmas day 2009 that did all those horrific massacres in europe
3:31:06 real ass bin ladnite terrorists the houthis were our allies against them before barack obama stabbed
3:31:10 them in the back and why did trump keep that going when he inherited that horrific war
3:31:16 from barack obama why did he do it according to his trade guy so that they could keep funneling
3:31:22 american taxed and inflated dollars into the pocketbooks of stockholders of raytheon incorporated
3:31:27 right military industrial complex the point was made yeah maybe i could respond to that because i mean
3:31:32 again it’s always america’s fault according to scott take a jab at you no no but it’s dowdy and uae
3:31:37 asked barack obama for permission to start that war and for american help in prosecuting it and he said
3:31:42 yes and help i’m going to segue into an answer because i i think it deserves an answer a military
3:31:47 industrial complex is a serious concern um because i think you’re right it there you know the bigger it
3:31:52 gets um and the more weapons you have you think the more the greater the temptation to use it right i
3:31:57 think that’s sort of the the argument and then there’s also self-enrichment and how much money can
3:32:03 be made and in all of that i think is of serious concern to people look i think trump is somebody who
3:32:11 it’s hard pressed to say that donald trump um is a great advocate of the military industrial complex
3:32:17 or that he is he is in their pocket the same way that he’s in the pocket of the israelis and in the
3:32:21 pocket of the saudis and in the pocket of everybody i mean i think the one thing with trump is that trump
3:32:28 has he has learned the lessons of american engagement over the past few decades and i think scott’s done a good
3:32:33 job of kind of laying out the mistakes that have been made even though you know we can discuss about
3:32:38 causal connections and who’s responsible and you know i i lean on and we i want to well scott can i
3:32:44 finish because you know your your causal connection is always it’s america aggressing israel aggressing
3:32:49 and all these poor people responding to us um but nonetheless i think trump has he’s learned the
3:32:55 lessons but he hasn’t over learned the lessons he he’s not paralyzed by iraq or afghanistan or the
3:33:00 mistakes made by his predecessors he understands that at the end of the day we need serious american
3:33:06 power we need lethal power we need four deterrents and he’s been very careful and very selective about
3:33:11 how he uses american power i mean we’ve talked about it throughout this whole conversation trump used
3:33:17 american power to kill qasem soleimani the one of the world’s most dangerous terrorists he killed
3:33:23 baghdadi the head of isis one of the world’s most dangerous terrorists he he refrained from going after
3:33:28 after the iranian takedown of our drone he refrained from when the iranians
3:33:34 fired on saudi aramco and took off 20 of our oil right he’s been very very selective about the use of
3:33:41 american power he did go after the houthis who are iran backed and we’re using iranian missiles to go
3:33:46 after our ship that’s not true those are north korean missiles completely debunked by jane’s defense
3:33:51 weekly nice try yeah nice try um anyway everybody knows that the iranians have been financing the houthis
3:33:56 hezbollah has been training the houthis and iran has given capabilities to the houthis to develop
3:34:03 their own indigenous missile capability the fact of the matter is he he did in a way go after the houthis
3:34:10 much more intensively than biden did in order to prevent them from continuing to shut down
3:34:17 red sea shipping on which both america and our allies depend as a trade route he actually did it quite
3:34:22 successfully because after a few days of pretty intensive bombing the houthis got the message
3:34:26 and they cut a deal with donald trump they’re not going to interfere with our shift anymore he got a
3:34:30 deal with them they kept bombing israel which is what got him involved in the first place he completely
3:34:34 backed out sounds to me like they won and he backed down well it sounds it sounds like he in terms of
3:34:38 promoting american international security interests it sounds like he did he did a pretty good job of
3:34:43 sending a message to the houthis and the iranians don’t mess with the united states and that gets us to the
3:34:54 reality he took a decision one day on one day to send our b2s and our subs in order to do severe
3:34:59 damage to three nuclear facilities it was a one-day campaign it was selective it was narrow it was
3:35:05 overwhelming and i think it sends a message to khamenei i think it sends a message to regimes around
3:35:10 the world anti-american regimes around the world that donald trump has not over learned the lessons of
3:35:18 the past 20 years right but that in fact he is not going to dismantle the u.s military and dismantle
3:35:24 our nuclear program and fly around to all these cities and call peace conferences and hope that these
3:35:29 dictators will just sit down with america and say you know what all is forgiven the united states of
3:35:36 america it’s all your fault you did this all we we admit our responsibility and then we have we have
3:35:45 peace and paradise and earth i think trump is much more um pragmatic and in some respects cynical when
3:35:50 he looks at the world and he realizes the world is a dangerous place i have to be very careful about
3:35:55 how i use american military forces i am not going to send hundreds of thousands of people around the
3:36:01 world by the way i mean it all talk about israel i mean the israelis are one of the best allies we could
3:36:07 possibly have they fight and they die in their own defense they fought multiple wars against american
3:36:11 enemies they haven’t asked for american troops on the ground there are no boots on the ground
3:36:17 in israel defending israel the best we’ve given them is we’ve given them a fad system to help them shoot
3:36:22 down ballistic missiles that have aimed at aimed at them and our american pilots have been in the air
3:36:29 recently with our israeli friends shooting down ballistic missiles but the israelis have had an a warrior
3:36:33 ethos we will fight and we will die in our own defense i would just say if you’re going to actually
3:36:39 build out a model where you’re going to minimize the risk to american troops let’s find more allies
3:36:46 like that right i worry about i’m like scott i really worry about china taiwan i really really worry about
3:36:51 that because the taiwanese are not capable of defending themselves without u.s assistance and the
3:36:56 and we may have to send american men and women to go defend taiwan and we can have a whole debate about
3:37:00 the wisdom of that but again it would be very very helpful to have more israels in the world
3:37:06 more countries that are capable of fighting against common enemies and against common threats without
3:37:12 having to always put american boots on the ground in order to do that so you made a case for if it’s okay
3:37:19 if you made a case for strength here just practically speaking why do you think trump has talked about
3:37:26 peace a lot why do you think he hasn’t been able to uh uh get to a ceasefire with ukraine and russia for
3:37:31 example if we just move away from iran yeah without getting into the history of the whole thing like
3:37:36 why he’s been talking peace peace peace peace peace he’s been pushing it and pushing it what can we learn
3:37:43 about that so far failure that’s also instructive for iran look i’m not a russia expert i’m not a ukraine
3:37:48 expert i’m sitting in front of two uh people who know a lot more about that conflict than i do i i you
3:37:56 are we should say banned by putin i am i have been sanctioned by russia and by iran um i sanctioned yes
3:38:01 yes banned sanctioned uh threat congratulations thank you thank you well it’s it causes some
3:38:10 difficulties but anyway um i think the answer to that is that for putin he needs to understand that
3:38:17 like khamenei he has two options here right option one which president trump has signaled over and over
3:38:23 and over again is come sit down and negotiate a ceasefire with the ukrainians i don’t want to get into
3:38:27 the details and the back and forth about who’s responsible for the fact there’s no ceasefire
3:38:31 putin or zelensky i mean that’s a whole other debate and i’m sure you guys have a lot of opinions on that
3:38:39 um but path one is sit down and let’s negotiate a ceasefire path two is the united states will use
3:38:46 american power in order to build our leverage so that vladimir putin understands that he has to
3:38:52 do a ceasefire now i’m not suggesting u.s troops absolutely not right what i am suggesting is
3:38:57 there’s a package right now of sanctions that have 88 co-sponsors in the senate across party lines
3:39:03 and i think trump is using that and will use that as a sort of sword of damocles hanging over
3:39:09 putin and the russian economy to say look vladimir we either do a ceasefire or i’m going to have no
3:39:14 choice but to have to start imposing much more punishing sanctions on you and on the russian economy
3:39:19 so i think there’s an economic option i think there’s a military option and i think the biggest
3:39:25 mistake biden made in this whole war and there’s many mistakes uh in terms of signaling not having u.s
3:39:31 credibility you know afghan debacle which signaled to putin that he could invade without any kind of
3:39:38 american response is he kind of went in and he tied ukraine’s uh hands behind their back i mean he
3:39:42 actually tied one hand behind their back while they were fighting with the other hand and he refused to
3:39:48 give him the kinds of systems that early on in the war would have allowed the ukrainian military
3:39:52 to be able to hit russian forces that were mobilizing on the russian ukrainian border
3:39:56 and i think if he had done that i think this war would have ended sooner there’d be far
3:40:04 less casualties and i think putin would then understand maybe i need to strike a deal i’m not
3:40:09 a russia expert or ukraine expert i don’t know what the deal looks like you keep the donbast you keep
3:40:15 crimea you keep you know larger chunks of eastern ukraine that’s for smarter people than me on this
3:40:20 issue to decide what the deal looks like but there’s no doubt today putin thinks that he can just
3:40:25 keep fighting keep killing ukrainians keep driving forward eventually he’s going to wear down the
3:40:29 ukrainians through a sheer war of attrition he’ll throw hundreds of thousands of russians at this he
3:40:33 doesn’t care how many russians are going to die that’s the way the russians and the soviets have
3:40:38 fought wars for many many years just endless number of russian bodies being thrown into the meat grinder
3:40:43 and he thinks he can continue without any consequences i worry that as a result of the
3:40:51 fact that we are not showing putin and we’ve got leverage it’s made warm more likely it’s made a war
3:40:56 more brutal and it’s going to make a war more protracted but increasing military aid to ukraine
3:41:01 in the case that you described also has to be coupled with extreme pressure to make peace
3:41:07 correct extreme pressure to make peace which trump hopefully is appears to be doing now in iran
3:41:12 i think trump is early i mean it’s interesting you said that because he’s early indicators
3:41:17 again who knows where the ceasefire goes but i think it was important he he slapped
3:41:25 khamenei but he also said to bb enough enough and it’s like okay now we’re going back to oman
3:41:30 there’s going to be a temporary ceasefire now let’s negotiate and i think that’s important and i think it
3:41:35 shows that donald trump is leading not following it shows that donald trump is his own man
3:41:43 not on the payroll of the russians or the iranians or the israelis or all these other crazy accusations
3:41:48 that have been made about this guy for many many years um and he’s going to give you know as they
3:41:52 say peace a chance and he’s going to give give a ceasefire a chance he’s going to give negotiations
3:41:56 a chance but i’ll think he’s sending the message to the iranians and he needs to send it to putin
3:42:02 is if you don’t take me up on my offer all right i’ve already demonstrated that i am serious
3:42:07 and i will use american power carefully and selectively in the way that i’ve done in the
3:42:14 past at the risk of doing the thing i shouldn’t do but just to test the ideas of libertarianism
3:42:21 and the things we’ve been talking about can we for a brief time unrelated to everything we’ve been
3:42:28 talking about talk about world war ii what was the right thing to do in 1938 1939 like what would you
3:42:37 do okay to be clear world war ii has nothing to do with current events in fact many of the horrible
3:42:43 policies of the united states in my opinion have to have to do with projecting world war ii onto every
3:42:49 single conflict in the world okay oh great but over learning over learning but it is an interesting
3:42:55 extreme case just to clarify i’m just like philosophically talking about yeah at which
3:43:03 point do you hit do you do military intervention and that’s a nice case maybe you have a better
3:43:07 case study but that’s such an extreme one yeah that it’s interesting we’re talking about germany or
3:43:14 japan germany said yeah so so japan attacked us and germany declared war on us tough for them and
3:43:18 that’s what happens when you declare war on the united states you get hit but that was an idiotic
3:43:22 on the part of hitler to declare war in the united states you know i never understood why he ever did
3:43:25 that they always said it was just because he was crazy but what it was is he was trying to get the
3:43:30 japanese to invade the soviet union from the east and in order to divide stalin’s forces which failed
3:43:35 and it didn’t work and it was a huge blunder from his point of view i guess philosophically
3:43:39 from an interventionism perspective you’re saying united states should have stayed out
3:43:46 from that war as long as possible until they’re attacked yes i mean and look at how powerful
3:43:50 they ended up being and the amount of damage that they were able to inflict on the soviets
3:43:56 better than than us what do you think look is this a useful discussion it’s interesting i mean i think
3:44:02 it’s interesting philosophically you know libertarianism um or or isolationism in practice i mean i think the
3:44:07 30s are more interesting to me than what happened between 39 and 45 i think the debate in america
3:44:14 was very interesting in the 30s um where there was really a strong uh isolationist movement um you
3:44:21 know with charles lindbergh and and henry ford and father coughlin and many joe kennedy yeah and joe
3:44:26 kennedy i mean they define themselves as sort of america firsters um but it was very much an isolationist
3:44:30 strain and i think you know we can talk about that history and coughlin was a new dealer not a right
3:44:36 winger anyway um very much an isolationist talking about america having to stay out these entangling
3:44:41 alliances this is not our war emotionally understandable right because you can you can also overlearn the
3:44:46 lessons of world war one right and i think they overlearned the lessons of world war one i mean which
3:44:51 was a brutal war and a devastating war mostly for europe but obviously for the united states we we lost
3:44:58 thousands of american men and women so the 30s was this big debate between the um those who saw the
3:45:04 gathering storm of what was happening uh with nazi germany and those who wanted to keep america out
3:45:11 and i think in some respects it’s like today with the contemporary reality with khamenei is that because
3:45:18 these isolationist voices were so prominent and so vocal um and in some cases quite persuasive
3:45:25 to american leaders hitler calculated that the united states would not enter the war and so he could
3:45:32 do what scott says he could focus on the eastern front um he could gather his forces and then he
3:45:36 could do a kill shot on the western democracies in western europe and the united states would not
3:45:41 intervene i mean you’re right that the big mistake he makes is declaring war in the united states after
3:45:48 pearl harbor but he believes all through the 30s and before pearl harbor that the isolationist voices
3:45:55 are keeping fdr from entering the war even while churchill and the brits and the french and others
3:46:01 are imploring the americans uh not only to just just to provide provide them with material support
3:46:07 with weapons so that they could hold hold on to the island and and defend themselves and i think hitler
3:46:12 hitler miscalculates in the same way i think khamenei miscalculates khamenei heard the debate
3:46:17 over the past number of years he believed that this sort of isolationist wing
3:46:23 of the republican party right represented i think in you know by tucker carlson and others who have been
3:46:29 very anti-intervention with respect to iran i think he believed that that was the dominant voice within
3:46:35 trump’s maga coalition and that as a result the united states would not use military force so in the same
3:46:43 way that hitler miscalculated the influence of the isolationists on fdr khamenei misjudged the
3:46:49 influence of the isolationists on trump and both ended up miscalculating to uh to their great regret
3:46:55 so to me that’s the sort of parallel between kind of world war ii in the 30s and the prelude to world
3:47:00 war ii and what we’re seeing in the in the current reality over the past few weeks to make clear you
3:47:05 mentioned there’s a parallel but mostly there’s no parallel it’s a fundamentally different absolutely
3:47:09 there will never be a war like that and i have a real problem too because they always say everybody’s
3:47:14 hitler all enemies are hitler and to compromise with them at all is to appease hitler and you can
3:47:20 never do that i agree and they do that to manuel noriega to david koresh to saddam hussein to whoever
3:47:26 they feel like demonizing and saying it was unique too crazy to negotiate with when let’s get real
3:47:33 and i think we’re agreed about this probably that right in 2002 w bush could have just sent colin
3:47:38 powell the four-star general former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff secretary state to read the
3:47:43 riot act to saddam hussein and tell him look man you help keep al-qaeda down and we’ll let you live
3:47:49 and everything would have been fine and and in fact just like saddam hussein and there’s a great article
3:47:56 i don’t agree hang on hang on there’s there’s an article by james rising in the new york times and
3:48:01 there’s another one by seymour hirsch as well about how saddam hussein offered to give in on everything
3:48:05 he said you want to search for weapons of mass destruction you can send your army and fbi everywhere
3:48:09 you want you want us to switch sides in the israel-palestine conflict we’ll stop backing
3:48:13 hamas you want us to hold elections we’ll hold this we’ll hold elections just give us a couple years
3:48:17 if this is about the oil we’ll sign over mineral rights this is james rise in new york times
3:48:22 they sent an emissary to meet with richard pearl in london that was who was the chair of the defense
3:48:27 policy board and was a major ringleader of getting us into iraq war ii and then they i don’t know why
3:48:31 this is a real mistake you want to talk about saddam’s mistakes why does he always send his guys to meet
3:48:37 with richard pearl because the there was a saudi businessman pardon me a lebanese businessman i think
3:48:43 that they tried to get to intervene as well who again offered virtually total capitulation and pearl
3:48:50 told him tell saddam we’ll see you in baghdad after he was attempting to essentially unconditionally
3:48:54 surrender the same thing happened with iran in 2003 right after america invaded they issue what was
3:49:00 called the golden offer which the bush administration buried and they castigated the swiss ambassador who
3:49:05 had delivered it but in the golden offer and you can find the pdf file of it online they talk about
3:49:10 we’re happy to negotiate with you our entire nuclear program which didn’t even really exist yet
3:49:17 but nuclearization we’re to willing to negotiate with you about afghanistan and iraq because again
3:49:21 they hated saddam hussein and wanted rid of him too so they’re perfectly happy to work with us on
3:49:26 afghanistan and iraq and they had captured a bunch of bin ladenites and they were willing to trade them
3:49:33 for the mek and that included one of bin laden’s sons and another guy named atef both of whom the
3:49:38 iranians held under house arrest for years and it was only in the i think late and they’re giving
3:49:45 refuge to al-qaeda and the cia said this is a key facilitation pipeline between iran and al-qaeda
3:49:51 they were willing to negotiate a trade between these dangerous bin ladenites and the mek and america
3:49:58 refused to negotiate that and it was years later when the bin ladenites abducted some iranian diplomats
3:50:04 in pakistan that they then traded them away to get their diplomats back and atef i think bin laden’s
3:50:10 son ended up being killed not long after that hamsa but and and atef too but both of those dangerous terrorists
3:50:17 were released and were involved in terrorism between then them then and the time that they were later killed
3:50:21 i think within a couple of years of that so the hawks always like to say oh yeah iran gives such
3:50:26 aid and comfort to al-qaeda and all that there’s a great document at the counterterrorism center at
3:50:31 west point where they debunk all of that yeah there’s a 9-11 report by the 9-11 commission
3:50:37 there’s a 9-11 commission report people can google it which talks about the cooperation between iran
3:50:44 and al-qaeda only in bosnia when they were doing a favor for bill clinton beyond that and cia released
3:50:51 thousands of pages of classified material that they declassified showing the relationship between iran and al-qaeda
3:50:58 the u.s treasury department under obama and under trump actually designated a number of iranian
3:51:04 individuals for facilitating al-qaeda so anyway i mean these these are important facts but i actually
3:51:09 mentioned baghdadian soleimani in the same breath a minute ago when they’re deadly enemies and it was
3:51:13 soleimani’s shiite forces in iraq war three that helped destroy the caliphate is my friend
3:51:18 with america flying air power for the greatest era that we’ve made in the middle east there’s this notion
3:51:23 not the greatest but one of the greatest is this sort of conceptual era that somehow sunnis and
3:51:29 shiais don’t work together and iran doesn’t work with al-qaeda i’m not saying you say that but but many
3:51:33 people think that and of course they do work they hate each other but of course they work together
3:51:36 because they hate us more but can i just say something lex because i actually think just stepping
3:51:41 back from like all of this detail the more we start to zoom out now the better yeah i’d like to zoom
3:51:47 out a little bit i look i think the lessons for me um over 22 years i’m working on these issues is
3:51:53 one must learn about the mistakes that we’ve made in iraq and in afghanistan and libya okay one must
3:51:58 learn about the mistakes that we made in vietnam mistakes that we made in world war ii so we can make
3:52:04 them all over again and run this time can i finish or go ahead are you good yeah i’m ready all right
3:52:12 so um i think that what what president trump is trying to do is learn but not overlearn right i think he
3:52:18 understands the mistakes that have been made i think he’s trying to rectify those mistakes and he also
3:52:25 understands that american power is important it is been a it is a force for good in the world even though
3:52:31 we have made major mistakes i think there’s a great danger amongst certain people to believe that
3:52:38 no power should ever be exercised that all american power is a bad thing and a destructive thing and
3:52:43 sometimes to confuse major tactical decisions right that have been made whether it’s been made by
3:52:51 the brits in world war ii or the americans or us or whoever it is in whatever war with the fact that
3:52:55 there is a strategic reality that we always have to be conscious about and that we have enemies
3:53:01 right this is not the garden of eden yet i hope the libertarians create one i want to go live there
3:53:06 when they do and scott and i will be neighbors believe it or not living living in that garden of eden
3:53:14 together but there are major threats in this world and we need to find the right balance between the
3:53:18 overuse of military power and the underuse of military power if we want to avoid wars we have to
3:53:24 serious deterrence because our enemies need to understand we will use selective and narrowly
3:53:31 focused overwhelming military power when we are facing threats like an iranian nuclear weapon that
3:53:36 is a serious threat it’s a serious threat to us it’s a serious threat to the region it’s a serious threat
3:53:41 with respect to proliferation around the world and i think with that respect i think president trump’s
3:53:51 decision to drop bombs on three key nuclear facilities was a selective targeted military action that i hope
3:53:57 will drive the iranians back to the negotiating table where they can negotiate finally the dismantlement of
3:54:02 their nuclear weapons program right i think there’s a danger weapons again again we’ve had a four-hour
3:54:05 debate on this so i’m sure if you want to rewind you can listen to all our arguments once again
3:54:13 um but the fact of the matter is is that the our unwillingness to use power if we’re never going to
3:54:19 use power all that’s going to do is send a signal to our enemies that they can do whatever they want
3:54:24 they can violate whatever agreements they want they can they can use aggression against anyone they
3:54:29 want and i think that makes that puts american lives in danger and we’ve seen the results of that
3:54:34 where we we delayed and delayed and delayed and we didn’t move and we didn’t move too early and we
3:54:40 didn’t preempt and and the threat grew and we ignored the gathering storm and so i think the lessons of
3:54:47 you know 100 years of american military involvement is if you have an opportunity early on as the storm is
3:54:54 gathering to use all instruments of american power with the military one being the last one you use
3:55:02 then deter when you can and strike when you must in order to prevent the kinds of escalation and wars
3:55:07 that everybody at this table and i’m sure everybody listening in your audience is seeking to avoid
3:55:14 on that topic question for both of you scott if human civilization destroys itself in the next 75 years
3:55:18 it probably most likely will be a world war three type of scenario maybe a nuclear war
3:55:24 how do we avoid that we’ve been talking about iran but there’ll be new conflicts there’s ukraine
3:55:34 china cashmere cashmere yeah um north korea no yeah don’t forget north korea yeah i mean there was a
3:55:39 time when north korea was the biggest threat to human civilization according to we could have had a deal
3:55:45 except john bolton ruined it so that’s the bigger question not so much in the specifics oh i mean the
3:55:51 second time he ruined the clinton deal of 94 then he ruined the trump deal of 2018 or maybe maybe the
3:55:55 korean dictator north korean dictator ruined it but again one doesn’t want to blame our enemies for
3:55:59 their mistakes well you know that at the second meeting trump sent john bolton to outer mongolia
3:56:05 so that he couldn’t sit at the table and ruin the deal but but what happened then the democrats had his
3:56:10 lawyer testify against him while he was at the meeting and they had this huge propaganda campaign
3:56:15 that kim jong-un is going to walk all over trump and take such advantage of him and they made it
3:56:19 virtually impossible for him to walk away claiming a victory god do you ever blame the enemy ever
3:56:26 do you ever blame the enemy north korea is not my enemy north korea is not your enemy no really they
3:56:31 they they they build nuclear weapons icbms that targeted america george bush and john bolton’s fault
3:56:38 whatever fault it is the fact of the matter is do you ever ever blame an american adversary or is it
3:56:44 always our fault in fact what happened is it always our fault see all you can do is characterize but you
3:56:50 want to talk about the details the details are that stephen began who worked for for donald trump
3:56:56 gave a speech and said you know what we can put normalization first and denuclearization later i know
3:57:02 and then they brought donald donald trump brought john bolton to the meeting and he prevented that
3:57:09 from being the uh from being the uh the message of the meeting so it’s always ruin the deal always
3:57:13 john bolton’s fault yes that’s right it’s all john bolton’s fault because how reasonable does it sound to
3:57:19 you lex give up all your nuclear weapons first then we’ll talk about every other issue does that sound
3:57:23 like a poison pill or that sounds like a reasonable negotiation give me a break sounds like a beginning of
3:57:28 negotiation but yeah well they got nowhere well because trump brought john bolton with him and
3:57:32 helped to ruin it and maybe they went nowhere because the north korean dictator at the end of the
3:57:40 day is a dictator who wants to threaten the united states with icbms and nuclear listen you’re you’re
3:57:45 criticizing the the sequential decisions made in negotiation i am asking you a serious question
3:57:52 hours of talking okay which i must say i’ve really enjoyed i’ve learned a lot i enjoyed it i think
3:57:56 there’s been areas of agreement obviously real disagreement but i here’s the question you’re
3:58:02 like really i mean do you ever ever hold our adversaries responsible or do you just don’t think
3:58:09 we have any adversaries this is ridiculous the the topic has been tell me from from your point of view
3:58:15 it’s all the adversaries and all america and israel trying to do is survive and fix the situation the
3:58:20 best they can i’ve acknowledged america mistakes by bringing up all the things that america and israel
3:58:24 have done to make matters worse i didn’t ever say that the ayatollah is some great guy or that kim
3:58:31 but do you think they’re a threat to america are they a threat to america no of course not as
3:58:38 zibigna brzezinski said in 1993 we could have perfectly normalized relations then you talk about
3:58:43 iranian support for al-qaeda iran supported al-qaeda in bosnia that’s the bottom line in 1995 as a favor to
3:58:49 bill clinton because they were trying to suck up to the united states is why they supported your position
3:58:55 yes my position is whatever you say it is not what i say no no i’m just trying to summarize you know
3:58:59 who’s the last person who told me i need to be aware about over learning the lessons of iraq it was
3:59:07 charlie savage from the new york times when on the subject was his absolute ridiculous hoax that russia
3:59:13 was paying the taliban to murder american soldiers in afghanistan in 2020 which ruined trump’s potential
3:59:17 which he was floating trow balloons about withdrawing in the summer of 2020 which would
3:59:23 have absolutely scott you said joe biden erica you said it and charlie savage who published these
3:59:29 ridiculous lies scott that were later refuted by the general in charge of the afghan war the head of
3:59:32 centcom the chairman of the joint chief staff and the director of central intelligence as much detail as
3:59:38 possible he told me you know what your problem is horton is you have over learned the lessons of iraq war
3:59:45 two but it turned out those lessons were perfectly apt for charlie savage’s hoax it wasn’t true what
3:59:49 charlie savage said you know what he resorted to he said well it’s true that there was a rumor i was
3:59:54 reporting on scott you made it very clear america has no adversaries that’s called learning the lessons
3:59:59 of iraq not over learning that all right so i guess the the answer to the question i asked uh about
4:00:05 avoiding world war three three is the two of you becoming friends that’s my my goal if we can try to find
4:00:10 the light at the end of the tunnel one one last question what gives you hope to the degree of hope
4:00:18 about the future what gives you hope about this great country of ours and humanity too yeah i mean look
4:00:25 there are a million wonderful things about this country the land the people our culture and our
4:00:32 resources and everything and the kind of society that we could build in a not with a control system
4:00:38 but with just a pure free market capitalist system in this country where people are allowed to own
4:00:43 their property improve its value and exchange it on the market and build this country up we would be
4:00:51 living in comparatively a paradise compared to what we have now and if you look at the opportunity costs
4:00:58 just since the end of the cold war on on all that has been wasted on militarism in the middle east
4:01:05 especially but also in eastern europe and in east asia all of that wealth put here could have gone
4:01:12 much more to something like perfecting our society it’s always an unfinished project so that then we
4:01:17 really have something to point to the rest of the world and say this is how you’re supposed to do it
4:01:27 not like that i think it’s crucial that for all of the problems that somalia syria libya iraq afghanistan
4:01:35 have the worst thing about those countries is america’s wars there it’s what we have done to them
4:01:41 as the worst thing about those places so we’re not much of a position to criticize you know whatever
4:01:46 horrible and political uh practices uh you know cultural and and things about their societies that
4:01:52 we would like to criticize when the worst chaos that’s happened to them has been inflicted by our
4:01:59 country against them virtually all in in wars of choice that were unnecessary from the get-go what gives you
4:02:05 hope what gives me hope i think first of all um i have a lot of um hope and confidence in the wisdom
4:02:11 of the american people um i think americans understand the end of the day that they need
4:02:17 leaders who are about making america great again i think they elected donald trump who is flawed in
4:02:22 many many ways but i think trump is wrestling with some of the questions that we have been wrestling with
4:02:28 for the past five hours um i think that um i think most americans know that we have adversaries
4:02:35 uh and you know it’s just overwhelming numbers of americans understand that they may disagree on
4:02:39 exactly who is an adversary and how you rank them but they know we have adversaries i think the third
4:02:45 thing is americans greatly admire the men and women in uniform i mean i think the institution with the
4:02:51 greatest popularity in america still remains the u.s military while many of other institutions are
4:02:56 are failing the american people and are reflected in the in the polling i think we’ve got to be very
4:03:03 judicious about how we use this incredibly powerful military um because most importantly it comes down to
4:03:06 it’s not about weapons and technology it’s about the people it’s about the men and women who it’s
4:03:12 sacrificed their lives um to serve our country at the end of the day if we understand we have
4:03:17 adversaries we’re careful about we how we use our military we understand the importance of forward
4:03:23 deterrence in order to actually confront threats before they become so severe that we ended up plunging
4:03:29 ourselves in a war i agree totally with scott in terms of how we use our money and how judiciously we
4:03:34 must we have to guard it i agree with how we’ve we’ve run up these massive debts and we have to be
4:03:39 actually if we’re serious and conservatives are really serious they need to stop they need to tackle
4:03:46 these massive budgets deficits um and and you know it would be really easy if it was just all about the
4:03:49 military and we could just kind of get rid of the pentagon and all of a sudden we’d be running balanced
4:03:55 budgets it’s not the case we have much deeper structural economics economic problems in this country
4:04:02 everybody knows that and so we got huge challenges as a country um but i really believe uh as i believe
4:04:08 since i was a little kid that america is the greatest force for good in the world and that we do we make
4:04:14 mistakes sometimes tragic mistakes we make huge miscalculations and i think we will be much more
4:04:21 clear in how to rectify those mistakes if we stop obsessing with these boogeymen that are out there
4:04:28 the israelis the jews the iranians well and we start focusing on our adversaries which are not
4:04:34 the iranians because the 80 80 of iranians despise this regime and and you know lex i feel really bad
4:04:37 that we in five hours we actually haven’t even talked about that in any detail many of my friends
4:04:42 are iranian they’re beautiful people and it’s one of the great cultures on earth yeah and you know the
4:04:46 only place they don’t succeed in the world is inside the islamic republic when they come to america
4:04:52 and canada and europe they’re incredibly successful people and 80 of iranians despise this regime and
4:04:59 they long for a free and prosperous iran and so it’s a big question that they’re ever going to get
4:05:04 there and who knows the right way to get them there but at the end of the day i am convinced that the
4:05:09 vast majority of iranians are our friends but there is a regime that has been trying to build nuclear
4:05:15 weapons has been engaged in terrorism for decades has killed and maimed thousands of americans and
4:05:21 and our allies and it’s a regime that has to be stopped and i think donald trump in the past couple
4:05:27 of weeks i would argue in the past number of months has tried to try to play a strategy try to figure
4:05:33 out a way to offer the iranians negotiations and a peaceful solution to this but use overwhelming
4:05:39 military power recently against iran’s nuclear sites in a very targeted way in order to send a
4:05:44 message to the islamic republic of iran that they cannot continue to build nuclear weapons and threaten
4:05:52 america and so i hope that things will work out well on this i i’ve always said curb your enthusiasm
4:06:00 because we have still a lot of of pieces that still need to fall into place and this is going to be
4:06:05 a windy road as we try to figure this out i’m hoping for the best preparing for the worst and
4:06:10 want to thank you very much for having me on the show scott it was a real pleasure to meet you i
4:06:15 enjoyed the debate very lively i admire your dedication to the issue and your and your intention to detail
4:06:21 and i think all of that speaks well of of you and your commitment and and your passion for this so i am
4:06:29 thank you deeply grateful that you guys will come here uh this is really mind-blowing uh also that you
4:06:35 have it’s silly maybe to say but the courage to sit down and talk through this through the tension
4:06:40 i’ve learned a lot i think a lot of people are going to learn a lot um a fan of both of your work
4:06:47 and um it means a lot that you come here today and talk to a silly kid like me so scott thank you so
4:06:51 much brother thank you thank you mark thanks lex appreciate it bam thanks scott
4:06:58 thanks for listening to this debate between scott horton and mark jubowitz to support this podcast
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4:07:10 and now let me leave you with some sobering words on the cost of war from dwight d eisenhower
4:07:18 for some context eisenhower was the 34th president of the united states but before that during world war ii
4:07:23 he was the supreme commander of the allied expeditionary force orchestrating some of the
4:07:30 most significant military operations of the war with leadership marked by strategic and tactical brilliance
4:07:39 it is in this context that the following words carry even more power and wisdom spoken in 1953
4:07:47 every gun that is made every warship launched every rocket fired signifies in the final sense
4:07:54 a theft from those who hunger and are not fed those who are cold and are not clothed
4:08:03 this world in arms is not spending money alone it is spending the sweat of its laborers the genius of
4:08:11 a scientist the hopes of its children the cost of one modern heavy bomber is this a modern brick school
4:08:18 in more than 30 cities it is two electric power plants each serving a town of 60 000 population
4:08:26 it is two fully equipped hospitals it is some 50 miles of concrete highway we pay for a single fighter
4:08:35 plane with a half million bushels of wheat we pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have
4:08:41 housed more than 8 000 people this is not a way of life at all in any true sense
4:08:47 under the cloud of threatening war that is humanity hanging from a cross of iron
4:08:55 and now allow me to add some additional brief excerpts in 1946 eisenhower said
4:09:04 i hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can only as one who has seen its brutality its futility
4:09:13 it’s stupidity in 1950 eisenhower said possibly my hatred of war blinds me so that i cannot comprehend
4:09:21 the arguments they adduce but in my opinion there’s no such thing as a preventative war although the
4:09:28 suggestion is repeatedly made none has yet explained how war prevents war worse than this no one has been
4:09:37 been able to explain away the fact that war creates the conditions that beget war and finally an excerpt
4:09:51 a vital element in the peace is our military establishment our arms must be mighty ready for
4:09:56 instant action so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction american makers of
4:09:56 plowshares could with time and as required make swords as well but now we can no longer risk emergency
4:10:16 improvisation of national defense we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions this conjunction of an
4:10:23 an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in american experience
4:10:25 yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications
4:10:34 in the councils of government we must guard against an acquisition of unwarranted influence whether sought
4:10:44 or unsought by the military industrial complex the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists
4:10:59 and will persist thank you for listening and hope to see you next time

Debate on Iran war between Scott Horton and Mark Dubowitz. Scott Horton is the author and director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of Antiwar.com, host of The Scott Horton Show, and for the past three decades, a staunch critic of U.S. foreign policy and military interventionism. Mark Dubowitz is the chief executive of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, host of the Iran Breakdown podcast, and a leading expert on Iran and its nuclear program for over 20 years. This debate was recorded on Tuesday, June 24, after the Iran-Israel ceasefire was declared.
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(1:48:50) – Best case and worst case near-term future
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