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0:07:42 And now, dear friends,
0:07:46 here’s Scott Horton and Mark Dubowitz.
0:08:05 Gentlemen, all right, it’s great to have you here.
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0:08:15 All right, as it stands now,
0:08:17 there’s a barely stable ceasefire
0:08:18 between Iran and Israel.
0:08:22 Let’s maybe rewind a little bit.
0:08:25 Can we first lay out the context
0:08:27 for this Iran-Israel war
0:08:29 and try to describe the key events
0:08:30 that happened over the past two weeks?
0:08:34 Maybe even a bit of the deep roots of the conflict.
0:08:35 Sure.
0:08:37 First of all, thanks so much for having me on.
0:08:38 Great to be on with Scott.
0:08:40 I know he and I don’t agree on a lot,
0:08:41 but I certainly admire the passion
0:08:45 and the dedication to stopping wars.
0:08:47 So that’s something we want to talk about.
0:08:49 So let’s talk about how we got to this war.
0:08:51 So President Trump comes into office
0:08:55 and immediately lays out that his Iran strategy
0:08:58 is maximum pressure on the regime
0:09:00 and he will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
0:09:03 And he makes that clear consistently.
0:09:06 I think he made it very clear during his first term,
0:09:07 made a clear threat throughout his career
0:09:12 and thus begins this process with the Iranians,
0:09:14 which has kind of multiple tracks,
0:09:17 but the one that Trump sees most interested in at the time
0:09:18 is the diplomatic track.
0:09:20 And he makes it very clear from the beginning
0:09:22 and a sort of Oval Office remark.
0:09:24 He says the Iranians can either blow up
0:09:27 their nuclear program under U.S. supervision
0:09:29 or someone’s going to blow it up for them.
0:09:32 And even though, you know, at the time,
0:09:35 we think Netanyahu is really trying to push the president
0:09:36 into a military campaign.
0:09:39 Well, I’m sure we’ll talk about that throughout the podcast.
0:09:43 The president authorizes his lead negotiator
0:09:45 and close friend, Steve Witkoff,
0:09:47 to begin outreach to the Iranians
0:09:49 and thus begun the Oman round.
0:09:51 And it’s Oman round because it’s taking place in Oman
0:09:54 with mediation efforts by the Omanis.
0:09:58 There are five rounds of negotiations with the Iranians.
0:10:00 And through the course of those negotiations,
0:10:05 the U.S. finally puts on the table an offer for Iran.
0:10:07 We’ll talk about the details of that.
0:10:08 The Iranians reject that offer.
0:10:11 And we’re now into the sixth round,
0:10:14 which is supposed to take place on a Sunday.
0:10:17 On the Thursday before the Sunday,
0:10:21 the Israelis strike and they go after
0:10:23 in a rather devastating campaign
0:10:26 over a matter of now 12 days,
0:10:29 they go over and go after Iran’s nuclear program,
0:10:31 the key nuclear sites,
0:10:34 going after weapons scientists
0:10:35 who are responsible for building
0:10:38 Iran’s nuclear weapons program,
0:10:41 and also go after top IRGC,
0:10:42 Islamic Revolutionary Guard commanders,
0:10:44 as well as top military commanders.
0:10:48 And yet there’s still this one site
0:10:50 that is the most fortified site.
0:10:51 It’s called Fordow.
0:10:52 It’s an enrichment facility.
0:10:54 It’s buried under a mountain,
0:10:56 goes about 80 meters deep.
0:10:57 It’s encased in concrete.
0:10:59 It has advanced centrifuges
0:11:00 and highly enriched uranium.
0:11:03 The Israelis can do damage to it,
0:11:04 but it’s clear it’s going to take
0:11:07 the United States and our military power
0:11:09 in order to severely
0:11:11 degrade this facility.
0:11:13 And Trump orders
0:11:14 the United States Air Force
0:11:16 to fly B-2 bombers
0:11:19 and drop 12 massive Ordens penetrators,
0:11:21 which are these 30,000-pound bombs
0:11:24 on Fordow in order to,
0:11:25 as he said,
0:11:27 obliterate it more realistically
0:11:29 to severely degrade it.
0:11:30 So that happens.
0:11:33 And then he offers the Iranians,
0:11:34 as he’s been offering all the way through,
0:11:36 you have an option.
0:11:37 You can go back to Oman.
0:11:38 I told you Oman,
0:11:40 and you decided to force me
0:11:41 to go to Fordow.
0:11:42 But now we can go back
0:11:43 for negotiations.
0:11:46 And he forces a ceasefire
0:11:47 on the Iranians,
0:11:48 gets the Israelis to agree.
0:11:50 And that’s where we are today.
0:11:51 That’s right, as you say,
0:11:52 a tentative ceasefire
0:11:54 that just came into effect.
0:11:55 And we’ll see now
0:11:57 if the Iranians decide
0:11:58 to take President Trump
0:12:00 on his repeated offers,
0:12:01 join him in Oman
0:12:03 for another round of negotiations.
0:12:04 Scott, is there some stuff
0:12:05 you want to add to that?
0:12:06 Sure.
0:12:09 Well, he started with January, right?
0:12:10 Trump’s second term here
0:12:12 in the maximum pressure campaign.
0:12:13 Essentially,
0:12:15 as should be clear to everyone now,
0:12:17 all these negotiations
0:12:18 were just a pretext for war.
0:12:20 Trump and his entire cabinet
0:12:22 must have known
0:12:23 that the Ayatollah
0:12:24 is not going to give up
0:12:26 all enrichment.
0:12:28 That is their latent
0:12:29 nuclear deterrent.
0:12:31 Their posture has been
0:12:32 heavily implied,
0:12:34 don’t attack us
0:12:35 and we won’t make a nuke.
0:12:37 While America’s position was,
0:12:38 if you make a nuke,
0:12:39 if you start to,
0:12:40 we’ll attack you.
0:12:42 So it’s the perfect standoff.
0:12:43 But what happened was,
0:12:44 and you might remember
0:12:45 a few weeks ago,
0:12:46 there was some talk about,
0:12:47 well, maybe we could find a way
0:12:49 to compromise on some enrichment.
0:12:50 Maybe they could do a consortium
0:12:51 with the Saudis.
0:12:53 Maybe there’s some way that we,
0:12:53 and then nope,
0:12:55 the pressure came down.
0:12:56 No enrichment,
0:12:57 zero enrichment.
0:12:58 But that’s a red line.
0:13:00 Everyone knows that there’s,
0:13:01 and even now,
0:13:04 it’s probably less likely than ever
0:13:06 that they’re going to give up enrichment.
0:13:07 Sure, they bombed Fordo,
0:13:08 but they didn’t destroy
0:13:09 every last centrifuge in that place.
0:13:12 And the Iranians are already announcing
0:13:14 that they’re already begun construction
0:13:15 on another facility
0:13:17 under a taller mountain,
0:13:18 buried even deeper.
0:13:19 And, you know,
0:13:20 they figured out
0:13:22 how to enrich uranium hexafluoride gas,
0:13:23 you know,
0:13:24 what, 20 years ago now.
0:13:27 And they will always be able to.
0:13:29 And this is the slippery slope
0:13:31 that we’re on with these wars.
0:13:32 Is, in fact,
0:13:35 I saw a friend here on TV the other day,
0:13:37 as he almost pretty much
0:13:38 just implied there,
0:13:38 saying, well,
0:13:40 now Trump has to go in.
0:13:41 You know,
0:13:42 we were told,
0:13:43 it’s just Israel doing it.
0:13:43 Don’t worry.
0:13:44 But then, no,
0:13:45 Trump has to
0:13:47 hit Fordo,
0:13:49 or else now
0:13:50 they’ll break out
0:13:51 toward a nuclear weapon.
0:13:52 So, in for a penny,
0:13:53 in for a pound,
0:13:54 in for a ton.
0:13:55 And now,
0:13:56 once we bomb
0:13:57 Fordo again,
0:13:58 and Natanz again,
0:14:00 and the new facility again,
0:14:01 then it’ll be decided that,
0:14:01 no,
0:14:04 as Benjamin Netanyahu said the other day,
0:14:04 you know,
0:14:05 it would really solve this problem
0:14:07 if we just kill the Ayatollah.
0:14:09 Then everything will be fine.
0:14:11 Then we’ll have a regime change.
0:14:11 And then what?
0:14:13 Then we’ll have a civil war
0:14:14 with Bin Ladenites
0:14:15 again in the catbird seat,
0:14:17 just like George Bush
0:14:18 put them in Iraq
0:14:19 and Barack Obama
0:14:20 put them in Libya
0:14:21 and in Syria.
0:14:23 And we’ll have Aziris
0:14:24 and Baluki suicide bombers
0:14:26 and Shiite,
0:14:27 you know,
0:14:28 revolutionaries
0:14:28 and whoever
0:14:30 all vying for power
0:14:31 in the new
0:14:32 absolute chaos stand.
0:14:34 If you listen to the administration
0:14:35 and Mr. Duis,
0:14:37 they’re essentially just implying that,
0:14:37 like, oh yeah,
0:14:38 mission accomplished.
0:14:39 We did it.
0:14:40 Their nuclear program’s destroyed.
0:14:41 Now we don’t have to worry
0:14:41 about that anymore.
0:14:42 But that’s not true.
0:14:43 Now there’s
0:14:45 every reason to believe,
0:14:46 and we don’t know for sure,
0:14:48 there’s every reason
0:14:48 to believe
0:14:49 that at least
0:14:51 it’s much more likely now
0:14:52 that the Ayatollah
0:14:53 will change his mind
0:14:55 about God changing his mind
0:14:56 and will say that actually
0:14:57 maybe we do need
0:14:58 a nuclear deterrent.
0:15:00 That’s really what it’s been for
0:15:00 this whole time
0:15:01 is a bluff.
0:15:03 We have bullets in one pocket,
0:15:04 revolver in another.
0:15:05 Let’s not you and me fight
0:15:06 and escalate this thing.
0:15:07 It’s the same position,
0:15:07 by the way,
0:15:09 as Japan and Germany
0:15:10 and Brazil.
0:15:11 Two of the three of those
0:15:12 are under America’s
0:15:12 nuclear umbrella,
0:15:13 I admit,
0:15:13 but still,
0:15:15 where they’ve proven
0:15:16 they’ve mastered the fuel cycle
0:15:17 and they can make
0:15:17 nuclear weapons,
0:15:18 but hey,
0:15:19 since nobody’s
0:15:20 directly threatening them now,
0:15:21 why escalate things
0:15:22 and go ahead
0:15:22 and make atom bombs?
0:15:24 That has been their position
0:15:25 the whole time
0:15:25 because after all,
0:15:27 they could not break out
0:15:28 and make a nuke
0:15:29 without everyone in the world
0:15:30 knowing about it.
0:15:31 And that’s why,
0:15:31 Lex,
0:15:32 and I’m sure you can vouch
0:15:32 for me on this,
0:15:33 if you’ve been watching TV
0:15:34 over the past few weeks,
0:15:36 you’ll hear Marco Rubio
0:15:37 and all the government officials
0:15:38 and all the Warhawks say,
0:15:38 oh yeah,
0:15:39 60%,
0:15:39 60%,
0:15:41 what do you think
0:15:41 they need
0:15:42 with that 60%?
0:15:43 Implying that,
0:15:44 oh yeah,
0:15:44 see,
0:15:45 they’re racing toward a bomb.
0:15:46 But you see how
0:15:47 they always just imply that?
0:15:48 They won’t come right out
0:15:49 and say that
0:15:50 because it’s a ridiculous lie.
0:15:52 they could have enriched
0:15:53 up to 90 plus percent
0:15:55 uranium-235 this whole time.
0:15:56 The reason they were enriching
0:15:57 up to 60%
0:15:58 was in reaction
0:15:59 to Israeli sabotage,
0:16:00 first of all,
0:16:01 assassinating their nuclear scientists
0:16:02 and then their sabotage
0:16:03 at Natanz.
0:16:04 They started enriching
0:16:05 up to 60%
0:16:05 just like they did
0:16:06 in the Obama years
0:16:08 to have a bargaining chip
0:16:09 to negotiate away.
0:16:10 Under the JCPOA,
0:16:11 they shipped out
0:16:12 every bit of their
0:16:13 enriched uranium to France
0:16:15 to be turned into fuel rods
0:16:16 and then shipped back
0:16:17 into the country
0:16:18 to be used in their reactors.
0:16:19 And so,
0:16:20 they’re just trying
0:16:21 to get us back
0:16:22 in that deal.
0:16:23 It is an illusion.
0:16:23 It is,
0:16:25 and I don’t know exactly
0:16:26 what’s in this man’s mind,
0:16:27 but it’s just not true
0:16:28 that they’re making
0:16:29 nuclear weapons
0:16:30 and it has been a lie
0:16:32 of Benjamin Netanyahu
0:16:34 and his Likud party regime
0:16:34 and for that matter
0:16:35 the Kadima regime
0:16:37 of Ehud Olmert before him
0:16:38 that this is a threat
0:16:40 that has to be preempted
0:16:41 when in fact
0:16:42 it never was anything more
0:16:43 than a latent
0:16:44 nuclear deterrent.
0:16:46 Maybe a good question
0:16:47 to ask here
0:16:50 is what is the goal
0:16:51 for the United States
0:16:51 in Iran
0:16:52 in relation
0:16:54 to the nuclear,
0:16:56 Iran’s nuclear program?
0:16:59 What is the red line here?
0:17:00 Does Iran have this
0:17:02 need for a latent
0:17:03 nuclear deterrent?
0:17:05 And what is the thing
0:17:06 that’s acceptable
0:17:07 to the United States
0:17:08 and to the rest of the world?
0:17:09 What should be acceptable?
0:17:10 Yeah, Alex.
0:17:10 So,
0:17:11 there was a lot
0:17:11 to unpack there.
0:17:12 So,
0:17:12 let’s sort of just
0:17:13 back up a little bit
0:17:14 and talk about,
0:17:14 first of all,
0:17:16 the regime itself,
0:17:17 Islamic Republic of Iran
0:17:18 came into power
0:17:18 in 1979.
0:17:20 It has been declared
0:17:21 a leading state sponsor
0:17:22 of terrorism
0:17:23 by multiple administrations
0:17:24 dating back
0:17:25 to the Clinton administration
0:17:27 by Obama,
0:17:28 by Biden,
0:17:28 by Trump.
0:17:30 And it is a regime
0:17:31 that has killed
0:17:32 and maimed
0:17:33 thousands of Americans,
0:17:34 not to mention,
0:17:35 obviously,
0:17:36 hundreds of thousands
0:17:37 of Middle Easterners.
0:17:39 It is a regime
0:17:40 that has lied
0:17:42 about its nuclear program
0:17:43 and never actually
0:17:44 disclosed
0:17:45 its nuclear sites.
0:17:45 All these sites
0:17:46 were discovered
0:17:49 by Iranian opposition groups,
0:17:50 by Western intelligence agencies,
0:17:52 and the International
0:17:53 Atomic Energy Agency,
0:17:55 which is the UN agency
0:17:56 responsible for
0:17:58 preventing proliferation,
0:17:59 has come out
0:18:00 again and again
0:18:01 over many,
0:18:01 many years
0:18:02 in reports,
0:18:04 very detailed reports,
0:18:06 describing Iran’s
0:18:07 nuclear weapons program.
0:18:09 There have been
0:18:10 multiple attempts
0:18:12 at diplomacy with Iran.
0:18:13 I’m sure we’re going
0:18:13 to talk about it.
0:18:15 Scott mentioned the JCPOA,
0:18:16 so we should certainly
0:18:17 talk about the JCPOA,
0:18:18 which was the 2015 deal
0:18:19 that Barack Obama
0:18:20 reached with Iran.
0:18:22 But multiple attempts
0:18:23 to actually get the Iranians
0:18:25 to negotiate away
0:18:26 their nuclear weapons program.
0:18:27 I mean, it’s worth mentioning
0:18:29 that if Iran wanted
0:18:30 to have civilian nuclear energy,
0:18:32 there are 23 countries
0:18:33 in the world that have it,
0:18:35 but they don’t have enrichment
0:18:36 and they don’t have reprocessing.
0:18:38 We sign these deals
0:18:39 called the gold standard
0:18:40 with the South Koreans,
0:18:41 with the Emiratis,
0:18:41 with others.
0:18:42 And we say,
0:18:43 if you want civilian energy,
0:18:46 you can have power plants,
0:18:48 you can buy your fuel rods
0:18:49 from abroad,
0:18:50 but there’s no reason
0:18:51 to have enrichment
0:18:53 or plutonium reprocessing
0:18:54 because those are
0:18:54 the key capabilities
0:18:56 you need to develop
0:18:56 nuclear weapons.
0:18:59 Now, the five countries
0:19:00 that have those capabilities
0:19:02 and don’t have nuclear weapons
0:19:03 are Argentina,
0:19:04 Brazil,
0:19:05 Holland,
0:19:05 Germany,
0:19:07 and Japan.
0:19:08 And I think it’s the view
0:19:10 of many administrations
0:19:11 over many years,
0:19:13 including many European leaders,
0:19:15 that the Islamic Republic of Iran
0:19:16 is very different
0:19:17 from those aforementioned countries
0:19:19 because it has been
0:19:20 dedicated to terrorism,
0:19:22 it’s been killing Americans
0:19:23 and other Westerners
0:19:24 and other Middle Easterners,
0:19:25 and it is a dangerous regime.
0:19:26 You don’t want to have
0:19:28 that dangerous regime
0:19:30 retaining the key capabilities
0:19:31 and needs to develop
0:19:32 nuclear weapons.
0:19:33 But I want to kind of
0:19:35 get back more to the present.
0:19:36 I mentioned this
0:19:37 with the surrounding negotiations
0:19:37 at Oman.
0:19:39 Scott’s saying that
0:19:40 President Trump had said,
0:19:42 here’s the offer,
0:19:43 take it or leave it,
0:19:44 zero enrichment,
0:19:45 full dismantlement.
0:19:45 Well, in fact,
0:19:46 that wasn’t the offer
0:19:47 that was presented
0:19:48 to the Iranians at Oman.
0:19:50 The offer was a one-page offer,
0:19:51 and it said,
0:19:53 you can temporarily enrich
0:19:54 above ground,
0:19:55 you’ve got to render
0:19:58 your below-ground facilities,
0:19:59 quote, non-operational.
0:20:01 And then at some time
0:20:01 in the future,
0:20:02 three, four years,
0:20:03 as Scott said,
0:20:04 there’ll be a consortium
0:20:05 that’ll be built,
0:20:07 not on Iranian territory.
0:20:08 It’ll be a partnership
0:20:09 with the Saudis
0:20:10 and the Emiratis.
0:20:11 It’ll be under IAEA supervision.
0:20:13 And that enrichment facility
0:20:14 will create fuel rods
0:20:16 for your nuclear reactors.
0:20:18 So that was the offer
0:20:19 presented to Iran,
0:20:20 and that offer would come
0:20:21 with significant sanctions relief,
0:20:23 billions of dollars
0:20:25 that would go to the regime,
0:20:26 obviously the economy there
0:20:27 has been suffering.
0:20:29 The regime has not had
0:20:30 the resources
0:20:31 that it’s had in the past
0:20:33 to fund its,
0:20:34 what I call,
0:20:35 its axis of misery,
0:20:36 its proxy terror armies
0:20:37 around the world.
0:20:38 And it was a good offer,
0:20:40 and I was shocked
0:20:42 that Khamenei rejected it.
0:20:44 He did reject it,
0:20:45 and I think he rejected it
0:20:47 because I think he believed
0:20:48 that he could continue
0:20:49 to do to President Trump
0:20:50 what he’d done
0:20:51 to President Obama,
0:20:52 which is just continue
0:20:53 to squeeze and squeeze
0:20:54 and squeeze the Americans
0:20:55 at the table
0:20:56 in order to ensure
0:20:57 that he could keep
0:20:58 all these nuclear facilities,
0:21:00 all these nuclear capabilities,
0:21:01 so that at a time
0:21:02 of his choosing,
0:21:04 when President Trump is gone,
0:21:06 he can develop nuclear weapons.
0:21:07 Now, it is a bit interesting
0:21:09 to say that Iran
0:21:10 has no intention
0:21:11 to develop nuclear weapons.
0:21:13 And let’s examine
0:21:14 the nuclear program
0:21:15 and ask,
0:21:16 does this sound like a regime
0:21:17 that’s not interested
0:21:18 in building nuclear weapons?
0:21:20 So they built
0:21:22 deeply buried underground
0:21:23 enrichment facilities
0:21:24 that they hid
0:21:26 from the international community,
0:21:27 and they didn’t disclose.
0:21:29 They had an active
0:21:30 nuclear warhead program
0:21:31 called the MAD,
0:21:34 which ended in 2003,
0:21:34 formally,
0:21:36 when the United States
0:21:36 invaded Iraq.
0:21:38 And we know that
0:21:39 because not only
0:21:40 has that been detailed
0:21:42 by the IAEA,
0:21:43 but actually Mossad,
0:21:45 in a daring operation
0:21:45 in Tehran,
0:21:47 took out a nuclear archive
0:21:48 and brought it back
0:21:50 to the West.
0:21:51 And then the IAEA,
0:21:52 the United States,
0:21:53 and the intelligence communities
0:21:55 went after this detailed
0:21:56 archive,
0:21:57 went into it,
0:21:57 and discovered
0:21:59 that this Supreme Leader,
0:22:01 Ayatollah Khamenei,
0:22:02 had an active program
0:22:03 to build
0:22:05 five atomic warheads
0:22:07 and was a very detailed program
0:22:08 with blueprints
0:22:09 and designs,
0:22:10 all of which
0:22:11 was designed
0:22:12 under a MAD
0:22:12 to build
0:22:14 a nuclear weapons program.
0:22:15 So again,
0:22:16 it’s interesting to say
0:22:17 that he doesn’t have
0:22:18 the intention
0:22:18 to build nuclear weapons
0:22:19 when he actually
0:22:20 had an active
0:22:21 nuclear weapons program.
0:22:22 And we can talk about
0:22:23 what happened
0:22:23 to that program
0:22:24 after 2003,
0:22:25 and there’s a lot
0:22:26 of interesting details.
0:22:27 So when you combine
0:22:28 the fact that
0:22:30 he has an active
0:22:31 nuclear weapons program,
0:22:32 he has sites
0:22:33 that are buried
0:22:34 deep underground,
0:22:36 he has weapons scientists
0:22:38 who come out
0:22:39 of the MAD program
0:22:40 and continue to work
0:22:42 on the initial
0:22:43 metallurgy work
0:22:44 and computer modeling
0:22:46 designed to actually
0:22:47 begin that process
0:22:48 of building a warhead.
0:22:49 And all of this
0:22:50 has been hidden
0:22:51 from the international
0:22:51 community.
0:22:53 He has spent estimates
0:22:55 of a half a trillion dollars
0:22:56 on his nuclear program
0:22:58 in direct costs
0:23:00 and in sanctions costs.
0:23:01 And one has to ask,
0:23:02 and I think it’s
0:23:03 an interesting question,
0:23:05 to compare the UAE
0:23:06 and Iran.
0:23:07 The UAE signed
0:23:08 the gold standard.
0:23:09 They said,
0:23:09 we’ll have no enrichment
0:23:10 capability
0:23:11 or reprocessing.
0:23:12 they spent about
0:23:14 $20 billion on that
0:23:15 and it supplies
0:23:17 25% of their
0:23:19 electrical generation.
0:23:20 Khamenei spent
0:23:22 a half a trillion dollars
0:23:24 and that program
0:23:25 supplies
0:23:27 maybe 3%
0:23:28 of their
0:23:29 electrical needs.
0:23:29 In fact,
0:23:30 they have a reactor
0:23:31 that they bought
0:23:32 from the Russians
0:23:33 called Boucher
0:23:34 and that reactor,
0:23:35 it’s exactly
0:23:36 what you’d want
0:23:37 in a proliferation
0:23:38 proof reactor.
0:23:39 They buy fuel rods
0:23:39 from the Russians,
0:23:40 they use it,
0:23:41 and they send
0:23:41 the spent fuel
0:23:42 back to Russia
0:23:43 so it cannot be
0:23:44 reprocessed into plutonium.
0:23:45 So I just think
0:23:46 it’s important
0:23:47 for your listeners
0:23:47 to understand
0:23:48 just some of the
0:23:50 technical nuclear
0:23:51 history here
0:23:52 in order to unpack
0:23:53 this question of
0:23:54 did Khamenei
0:23:56 want nuclear weapons?
0:23:58 What was his goal here?
0:23:59 And then we can talk
0:24:00 about was this
0:24:01 the right operation
0:24:03 in order for the
0:24:03 United States
0:24:05 to order the
0:24:06 B-2 bombers
0:24:07 to strike
0:24:08 these facilities
0:24:09 in what, again,
0:24:09 was a limited
0:24:10 operation as
0:24:11 President Trump
0:24:11 has said
0:24:12 in order to
0:24:13 drive the Iranians
0:24:14 back to the
0:24:15 negotiating table
0:24:16 and finally do
0:24:16 the deal that
0:24:17 President Trump
0:24:18 has asked them
0:24:18 to do since
0:24:19 he came into
0:24:20 office in January.
0:24:21 Yeah, that is
0:24:21 one of the
0:24:22 fascinating questions
0:24:22 whether this
0:24:23 Operation Midnight
0:24:24 Hammer
0:24:24 increased or
0:24:25 decreased the
0:24:26 chance that
0:24:27 Iran will develop
0:24:29 a nuclear weapon.
0:24:29 Before you ask
0:24:30 any more questions,
0:24:31 I have to refute
0:24:31 virtually everything
0:24:32 he just said,
0:24:33 which is completely
0:24:33 false.
0:24:34 I mean, really
0:24:34 everything?
0:24:35 There was not one
0:24:35 thing I said
0:24:36 that was true?
0:24:37 Just one thing.
0:24:37 I mean, Iran
0:24:38 is a nation
0:24:39 over there
0:24:39 somewhere.
0:24:40 You got that
0:24:40 part right.
0:24:41 All right.
0:24:41 22 years of
0:24:42 working on Iran
0:24:42 and I got that
0:24:43 right.
0:24:44 But do you know
0:24:44 the population
0:24:45 of Iran?
0:24:45 92 million.
0:24:46 Okay.
0:24:49 So, first of all,
0:24:50 they were trying
0:24:50 to buy a
0:24:51 light water reactor
0:24:52 from the Europeans
0:24:53 or the Chinese
0:24:54 in the 1990s
0:24:54 and Bill Clinton
0:24:55 wouldn’t let them
0:24:58 and put tremendous
0:24:58 pressure on China
0:24:59 to prevent them
0:25:00 from selling them
0:25:01 a light water reactor,
0:25:02 a turnkey reactor
0:25:03 that produces
0:25:04 waste that’s
0:25:05 so polluted
0:25:05 with impurities
0:25:06 that you can’t
0:25:07 make nuclear
0:25:07 weapons fuel
0:25:08 out of it.
0:25:08 By the way,
0:25:09 they never have
0:25:10 to this day
0:25:11 had a reprocessing
0:25:12 facility for
0:25:13 reprocessing
0:25:14 plutonium,
0:25:15 even their current
0:25:15 plutonium waste
0:25:17 from their heavy
0:25:17 water reactor
0:25:18 at Boucher
0:25:19 to make weapons
0:25:19 fuel out of that.
0:25:20 They have no
0:25:21 plutonium root
0:25:21 to the bomb.
0:25:22 Under the JCPOA…
0:25:22 But they have that
0:25:23 at Iraq,
0:25:23 not Boucher.
0:25:24 There’s a difference
0:25:25 between Iraq.
0:25:26 Iraq is a…
0:25:27 Iraq is where
0:25:27 they pour concrete
0:25:28 into the reactor
0:25:29 and shut it
0:25:29 down.
0:25:30 And the reason
0:25:31 they pour concrete…
0:25:32 Under the JCPOA…
0:25:33 Not they,
0:25:33 but the Obama
0:25:34 administration is right,
0:25:36 under the JCPOA,
0:25:37 poured concrete
0:25:38 into the Calendria
0:25:40 in order to prevent
0:25:40 them from using
0:25:41 that reactor
0:25:42 to reprocess
0:25:42 plutonium.
0:25:43 So there’s a
0:25:44 distinction between
0:25:44 Iraq and Boucher.
0:25:46 Scott’s exactly right.
0:25:47 Boucher is a reactor,
0:25:48 a heavy water reactor
0:25:49 provided by the Russians,
0:25:50 as I described,
0:25:52 for the generation
0:25:54 of electricity.
0:25:55 It’s proliferation
0:25:56 proof.
0:25:58 Iraq is the opposite.
0:25:59 It’s a heavy water
0:26:00 reactor that was built
0:26:01 for a plutonium pathway
0:26:03 to nuclear weapons,
0:26:04 which is exactly why
0:26:05 under the JCPOA,
0:26:05 they literally had
0:26:06 to pour concrete
0:26:07 into the middle of it
0:26:08 to prevent it
0:26:09 from reprocessing
0:26:09 plutonium.
0:26:10 I think we’re going
0:26:11 to need a scientist
0:26:13 to come in here
0:26:14 and split the difference
0:26:15 or maybe we need
0:26:17 to go and look up
0:26:18 some IAEA documents
0:26:19 because I don’t believe
0:26:20 that Iraq ever had
0:26:21 a reprocessing facility
0:26:23 for their plutonium waste.
0:26:25 And the deal
0:26:26 under the JCPOA,
0:26:27 the Russians would come
0:26:28 and get all their
0:26:28 plutonium waste,
0:26:29 which the waste
0:26:30 comes out all polluted
0:26:32 and not useful.
0:26:33 You need the reprocessing
0:26:34 facility to get
0:26:36 all of the impurities out.
0:26:37 It could be that
0:26:38 I’m wrong about that,
0:26:39 but I don’t believe
0:26:39 that they ever had
0:26:41 a reprocessing facility
0:26:42 at Iraq
0:26:43 that they could use
0:26:43 to remove
0:26:44 all those impurities
0:26:46 and then have
0:26:47 weapons-grade
0:26:48 plutonium fuel
0:26:50 as the North Koreans do.
0:26:51 So the Obama administration
0:26:52 was very clear
0:26:53 under the JCPOA,
0:26:53 we are going to
0:26:54 pour concrete
0:26:57 into the Iraq facility,
0:26:59 as Scott acknowledged,
0:27:00 because we are concerned
0:27:02 that Iraq can be used
0:27:04 for reprocessing plutonium,
0:27:05 for a plutonium pathway
0:27:06 to a nuclear weapon.
0:27:07 It can be used,
0:27:07 but we don’t know
0:27:08 if it was used.
0:27:09 Oh, wait, no,
0:27:10 it never was.
0:27:10 There never was
0:27:12 any reprocessing
0:27:13 of weapons fuel there.
0:27:14 But there was concrete.
0:27:15 I’m happy to.
0:27:16 There’s no indication.
0:27:16 For your viewers
0:27:17 who are interested
0:27:17 and not to plug
0:27:18 my own podcast,
0:27:19 Lex, I apologize.
0:27:20 It is a very good podcast.
0:27:21 I just recently
0:27:22 had David Albright
0:27:23 on my podcast,
0:27:24 who is actually
0:27:25 a physicist
0:27:27 and a weapons inspector
0:27:28 and goes into
0:27:28 a lot of detail
0:27:29 about the Iranian
0:27:30 nuclear program.
0:27:32 Please listen to the podcast.
0:27:33 Iran Breakdown,
0:27:33 by the way,
0:27:34 is the name of the podcast.
0:27:35 Yeah, and David’s
0:27:35 the president
0:27:36 of the Institute
0:27:36 for Science
0:27:37 and National Security.
0:27:38 By the way,
0:27:39 I spent decades on this.
0:27:40 And to his credit,
0:27:41 he was one of the
0:27:42 deep skeptics
0:27:43 of the Bush administration’s
0:27:44 rush to war with Iraq.
0:27:45 That’s not true.
0:27:47 He vouched for claims
0:27:47 that there were
0:27:49 chemical weapons in Iraq
0:27:49 and later said
0:27:50 he was sorry for it.
0:27:51 Again, I mentioned
0:27:52 the Bush administration’s
0:27:53 rush to war
0:27:54 based on their claims
0:27:55 that Saddam
0:27:56 was building nuclear weapons.
0:27:57 He did debunk
0:27:58 the aluminum tubes, though.
0:28:00 He debunked it
0:28:01 and was a deep skeptic,
0:28:01 again,
0:28:03 of the rush to war
0:28:03 in Iraq.
0:28:04 You know,
0:28:05 the argument today,
0:28:06 Lex,
0:28:06 which I think
0:28:07 is the more interesting argument,
0:28:08 because there are
0:28:09 very few people
0:28:10 left today
0:28:11 who don’t believe
0:28:12 that the Iranians
0:28:13 were building
0:28:14 the nuclear weapons
0:28:15 capability
0:28:16 that gave them
0:28:16 the option
0:28:18 to build nuclear weapons.
0:28:19 I already said that.
0:28:20 We can debate
0:28:21 whether they had
0:28:22 decided to,
0:28:23 and I’m interested
0:28:25 to hear Scott’s opinion
0:28:25 on this,
0:28:26 but the recent intelligence
0:28:27 that has come out
0:28:29 that the Iranian
0:28:30 nuclear weapons scientists
0:28:31 have begun
0:28:32 preliminary work
0:28:34 on building a warhead
0:28:35 came out from where?
0:28:36 This intelligence
0:28:37 that came out,
0:28:38 who put that
0:28:40 into Israeli claims?
0:28:41 not verified
0:28:41 by the U.S.
0:28:42 and the Wall Street
0:28:43 Journal anywhere,
0:28:43 right?
0:28:44 Let’s talk about
0:28:46 all of my list
0:28:47 of refutations
0:28:48 of all your false claims
0:28:49 from 10 years ago.
0:28:50 The Wall Street Journal
0:28:51 did verify this.
0:28:51 There’s a lot of
0:28:52 false claims to refute.
0:28:53 One at a time.
0:28:54 Lawrence Norman
0:28:55 actually wrote a piece.
0:28:56 This was during
0:28:57 the Biden administration
0:28:58 because the Biden
0:29:00 DNI
0:29:01 had actually come out
0:29:02 and for the first time
0:29:03 in their annual
0:29:03 threat assessment
0:29:05 had removed a line
0:29:06 that said,
0:29:08 Iran is not currently
0:29:10 working on developing
0:29:11 any capabilities
0:29:11 that would put it
0:29:12 in a position
0:29:14 to actually deliver
0:29:18 a nuclear warhead.
0:29:20 And what became
0:29:20 the Lawrence Norman
0:29:21 piece in the Wall Street Journal
0:29:23 was that there actually
0:29:24 was initial work done
0:29:25 on metallurgy
0:29:27 and on computer modeling.
0:29:28 And so those actually
0:29:29 were defined terms
0:29:30 in Section T
0:29:32 of the 2015 JCPOA,
0:29:34 which defined weaponization
0:29:35 in that section.
0:29:37 and metallurgy
0:29:37 and computer modeling
0:29:39 were some of the initial steps
0:29:40 so that the DNI
0:29:40 was very concerned
0:29:41 under Biden
0:29:43 that these initial steps
0:29:44 meant that either Khamenei
0:29:45 had given the green lights
0:29:48 or nuclear weapons scientists
0:29:49 in order to get ahead
0:29:49 of the boss
0:29:50 so they could be
0:29:50 in a position
0:29:51 if he decided
0:29:52 to move forward on this
0:29:54 were in a position
0:29:55 and their timelines
0:29:57 were therefore expedited.
0:29:58 So it’s interesting.
0:29:58 I mean, again,
0:29:59 you’ve got the DNI
0:30:00 under Biden.
0:30:01 You’ve got the CIA
0:30:02 director,
0:30:03 John Ratcliffe.
0:30:04 You’ve got Israeli intelligence.
0:30:06 You’ve got the Wall Street Journal
0:30:08 and you’ve got the IAEA
0:30:09 asking questions of Iran
0:30:10 on its past
0:30:11 weaponization activities.
0:30:13 Why are you denying us?
0:30:14 Who’s the dog
0:30:15 that didn’t bark there?
0:30:16 The current director
0:30:17 of national intelligence
0:30:17 who issued
0:30:18 her threat assessment,
0:30:20 Trump’s director
0:30:20 of national intelligence,
0:30:21 Tulsi Gabbard,
0:30:21 who issued
0:30:22 her threat assessment
0:30:23 in February
0:30:24 that repeated
0:30:25 the exact same language
0:30:26 that from the
0:30:26 national intelligence
0:30:28 estimate of 2007
0:30:29 and that the CIA
0:30:30 and the NIE,
0:30:31 the National Intelligence
0:30:32 Council,
0:30:33 have reaffirmed
0:30:35 repeatedly ever since then,
0:30:36 which is that
0:30:36 Supreme Leader
0:30:37 has not decided
0:30:38 to pursue nuclear weapons.
0:30:39 He has not made
0:30:40 the political decision
0:30:41 to pursue nuclear weapons.
0:30:42 She testified,
0:30:44 in fact,
0:30:45 under oath
0:30:46 in front of the Senate
0:30:46 in March.
0:30:47 And then,
0:30:48 according to CNN
0:30:49 and the New York Times,
0:30:50 there was a brand new
0:30:51 assessment
0:30:53 that was put together
0:30:54 the week before
0:30:55 the attack
0:30:57 was launched,
0:30:58 reaffirming the same thing.
0:30:59 And,
0:31:00 at least in history,
0:31:02 if you read it in Haaretz,
0:31:03 Mossad agreed
0:31:04 with the CIA.
0:31:05 I’d like to just sort of
0:31:06 quote CIA director
0:31:07 John Ratcliffe
0:31:08 because Scott brought up
0:31:09 the CIA
0:31:10 and the Intelligence Committee.
0:31:11 I think Ratcliffe
0:31:12 had a good way
0:31:13 of looking at this
0:31:14 and that he said is,
0:31:15 you know,
0:31:15 when you’re in the
0:31:16 99-yard line
0:31:17 as a football team,
0:31:18 you have the intention
0:31:19 to score a goal,
0:31:20 quote-unquote.
0:31:21 And what he was
0:31:23 actually pointing to
0:31:23 is,
0:31:24 let’s not talk
0:31:25 about this debate
0:31:26 about whether Khamenei
0:31:26 had given the order
0:31:27 or not given the order
0:31:29 because Khamenei knows
0:31:29 that if he gives an order,
0:31:31 the U.S. and Israeli
0:31:31 intelligence community
0:31:33 will pick up on that order
0:31:34 and that will be
0:31:35 the trigger for strikes.
0:31:37 What Ratcliffe is saying
0:31:37 is that Khamenei
0:31:38 had built the nuclear
0:31:40 weapons capability.
0:31:42 He’s at the 99-yard line
0:31:44 and both the CIA
0:31:46 and European leaders,
0:31:46 the European
0:31:48 intelligence community
0:31:48 has said for years
0:31:49 that if Iran
0:31:50 has that capability
0:31:51 and they’re on the
0:31:52 99-yard line,
0:31:53 at that point
0:31:53 it’s going to be
0:31:55 too late to stop them
0:31:56 once that decision
0:31:56 is made
0:31:57 to assemble
0:31:58 the final warhead,
0:31:59 which, by the way,
0:32:00 is the final piece
0:32:01 of what you need
0:32:02 for a deliverable
0:32:02 nuclear weapon.
0:32:03 That’s not true
0:32:03 at all, right?
0:32:04 They have to resort
0:32:05 to a crude analogy
0:32:07 about football yard lines
0:32:07 because they can’t
0:32:08 say the truth,
0:32:09 which is that
0:32:10 they had zero
0:32:12 weapons-grade uranium.
0:32:13 They were not
0:32:13 producing it.
0:32:14 They were trying
0:32:16 to get the United States
0:32:17 back in the deal
0:32:18 that they are still
0:32:18 officially within
0:32:20 the JCPOA
0:32:20 with the rest
0:32:21 of the U.N. Security Council
0:32:22 wherein they shipped
0:32:23 all of their
0:32:25 enriched uranium stockpile
0:32:26 out of the country
0:32:26 to France
0:32:27 to be transferred
0:32:28 to fuel rods.
0:32:30 Their insistence
0:32:31 was on their
0:32:32 continued ability
0:32:34 to enrich uranium.
0:32:35 And so this goes
0:32:37 to one of the things
0:32:38 that he at least
0:32:39 sort of brought up
0:32:41 that deserves addressing.
0:32:42 When Trump came
0:32:43 into power
0:32:45 in 2017,
0:32:46 he decided
0:32:47 on this
0:32:49 Israeli-influenced
0:32:50 maximum pressure campaign
0:32:51 and he said
0:32:52 the JCPOA
0:32:53 was the worst deal
0:32:54 in the history
0:32:55 of any time
0:32:55 any two men
0:32:56 ever shook hands
0:32:57 and all these kinds
0:32:57 of things
0:32:59 in his hyperbolic way,
0:32:59 which of course
0:33:00 made it very difficult
0:33:01 for him to figure out
0:33:02 a way to stay in the thing
0:33:04 or to compromise
0:33:05 along its lines.
0:33:07 But the fact of the matter
0:33:08 is if he had just
0:33:09 played it straight
0:33:09 and said,
0:33:11 listen, Ayatollah,
0:33:12 we don’t have to be friends,
0:33:13 but we do have
0:33:14 a deal here
0:33:15 which my predecessor
0:33:16 struck with you
0:33:17 but I don’t like
0:33:18 these sunset provisions
0:33:19 and I want to send
0:33:20 my guys over there
0:33:23 and see if we can
0:33:23 figure out a way
0:33:24 to convince you
0:33:25 that we really wish
0:33:26 you’d shut down
0:33:27 calm altogether
0:33:28 or this or that
0:33:28 or the other thing
0:33:29 and try to approach
0:33:30 them in good faith.
0:33:32 We talk about yard lines
0:33:32 and things.
0:33:34 We had a JCPOA,
0:33:35 okay?
0:33:37 So toward peace
0:33:37 we were past
0:33:38 the 50-yard line.
0:33:40 Donald Trump
0:33:40 could have gone
0:33:41 to Tehran
0:33:42 and shook hands
0:33:43 with the Ayatollah
0:33:44 as Dick Cheney
0:33:45 complained
0:33:46 that we had
0:33:47 cold relations
0:33:47 with Iran
0:33:48 back in 1998
0:33:49 when he was
0:33:50 the head of Halliburton
0:33:50 and said,
0:33:51 we can do business
0:33:52 with these guys.
0:33:53 Donald Trump
0:33:53 could have gone
0:33:54 right over there
0:33:55 and done business
0:33:56 and instead
0:33:57 he gave in
0:33:58 to Netanyahu’s lies
0:34:00 in this ridiculous
0:34:01 hoax
0:34:02 that they had uncovered
0:34:02 all these Iranian
0:34:03 nuclear documents
0:34:04 which he pretends
0:34:05 is legit
0:34:06 where all they did
0:34:07 was recycle
0:34:08 the fake
0:34:10 Israeli forged
0:34:11 smoking laptop
0:34:12 of 2005
0:34:14 which they lied
0:34:15 and pretended
0:34:16 was the laptop
0:34:18 of an Iranian scientist
0:34:19 that was smuggled
0:34:19 out of Iran
0:34:20 by his wife
0:34:22 and had all this proof
0:34:23 of a secret Iranian
0:34:24 nuclear weapons program
0:34:24 on it
0:34:25 but every bit
0:34:26 of that was refuted
0:34:27 including the thing
0:34:28 about the warhead
0:34:28 he said
0:34:29 was refuted
0:34:30 by David Albright
0:34:31 and his friend
0:34:31 David Sanger
0:34:32 in the New York Times
0:34:34 that all those sketches
0:34:36 of the warhead
0:34:36 for the missile
0:34:37 were wrong
0:34:38 because
0:34:39 when Mossad
0:34:41 forged the documents
0:34:42 they were making
0:34:43 a good educated guess
0:34:44 but they didn’t know
0:34:45 that Iran
0:34:45 had completely
0:34:46 redesigned
0:34:47 the nose cone
0:34:48 of their mid-range missiles
0:34:49 and had an entirely
0:34:50 different nose cone
0:34:50 that would require
0:34:51 an entirely different
0:34:52 warhead
0:34:53 than that described
0:34:54 in the documents
0:34:54 and why would they
0:34:55 have been designing
0:34:56 a warhead
0:34:57 to fit in a nose cone
0:34:58 that they were abandoning
0:34:59 and so that was refuted
0:35:00 David Albright
0:35:01 completely discredited
0:35:02 your claims there pal
0:35:03 and then
0:35:05 they later admitted
0:35:06 that it was a CIA laptop
0:35:07 there was no laptop
0:35:09 and they later admitted
0:35:10 Ali Heinonen admitted
0:35:12 who was a very hawkish
0:35:13 one of the
0:35:14 not director
0:35:15 but a high level
0:35:16 executive
0:35:17 at the International
0:35:18 Atomic Energy Agency
0:35:18 admitted
0:35:19 that that intelligence
0:35:21 was brought into the stream
0:35:23 by the Mujahideen E. Kalk
0:35:24 communist terrorist cult
0:35:25 that used to work
0:35:26 for the Ayatollah
0:35:27 during the revolution
0:35:29 then turned on him
0:35:29 and he turned on them
0:35:30 and kicked them out
0:35:31 then they went to work
0:35:32 for Saddam Hussein
0:35:32 where they helped
0:35:33 crush the Shiite
0:35:34 and Kurdish insurrection
0:35:35 of 1991
0:35:37 and then they became
0:35:37 America
0:35:38 Donald Rumsfeld’s
0:35:40 and Ariel Sharon’s
0:35:41 sock puppets
0:35:43 and later Ehud Olmert’s
0:35:43 sock puppets
0:35:44 when the United States
0:35:46 invaded Iraq
0:35:47 and took possession of them
0:35:48 they’re now under
0:35:49 American protection
0:35:50 in Albania
0:35:51 and these are the same
0:35:52 kooks who just a few
0:35:53 weeks ago
0:35:53 you might remember
0:35:54 saying look
0:35:55 new satellite pictures
0:35:56 of a whole new
0:35:57 nuclear facility
0:35:58 in Iran
0:35:59 isn’t it funny
0:36:00 how no one ever
0:36:00 brought that up again
0:36:01 didn’t bomb it
0:36:02 it was nothing
0:36:02 it was fake
0:36:03 just like before
0:36:04 when they said
0:36:04 hey look
0:36:04 here’s a picture
0:36:05 of a vault door
0:36:07 and behind that
0:36:07 is where the
0:36:08 secret nuclear weapons
0:36:08 program is
0:36:09 except turned out
0:36:10 that vault door
0:36:11 was a stock photo
0:36:12 from a vault company
0:36:13 it meant nothing
0:36:14 and they had
0:36:15 repeatedly
0:36:16 you know
0:36:16 made claims
0:36:17 that were totally
0:36:18 refuted
0:36:19 just like
0:36:20 I’m about to refute
0:36:20 his claim
0:36:21 that they ever
0:36:22 were the ones
0:36:23 who revealed
0:36:24 for example
0:36:24 Natanz
0:36:25 he was implying
0:36:26 that Natanz
0:36:26 and Kham
0:36:27 were both
0:36:28 buried and hidden
0:36:30 until revealed
0:36:31 I think you said
0:36:32 by dissident groups
0:36:33 that is the
0:36:33 MEK
0:36:34 sock puppets
0:36:34 of the Israelis
0:36:35 but it was
0:36:36 your friend
0:36:37 David Albright
0:36:38 not the Israeli
0:36:39 Mossad
0:36:40 through the MEK
0:36:41 who revealed
0:36:41 Natanz
0:36:42 facility
0:36:43 ask him
0:36:43 he’ll fist fight
0:36:44 you over it
0:36:45 he claims credit
0:36:46 he was first
0:36:46 and said
0:36:47 this is a facility
0:36:48 however
0:36:49 they were not
0:36:50 in violation
0:36:51 of their safeguards
0:36:51 agreement
0:36:52 with the IAEA
0:36:53 they were still
0:36:54 six months away
0:36:54 from introducing
0:36:55 any nuclear
0:36:56 material
0:36:57 to that facility
0:36:58 and so
0:36:59 when it was
0:37:00 revealed
0:37:00 they weren’t
0:37:00 in violation
0:37:01 of anything
0:37:03 and then
0:37:04 on Kham
0:37:05 we had a huge
0:37:05 fight about this
0:37:06 at the time
0:37:07 the party line
0:37:08 came down
0:37:09 from all the
0:37:09 government officials
0:37:10 and the media
0:37:11 that they had
0:37:12 just exposed
0:37:13 the facility
0:37:13 there
0:37:13 Kham
0:37:14 is Fordow
0:37:14 same thing
0:37:16 when in fact
0:37:16 that wasn’t
0:37:16 true
0:37:18 the Iranians
0:37:19 had announced
0:37:21 to the IAEA
0:37:21 that we have
0:37:22 built a new
0:37:23 facility here
0:37:23 and we
0:37:24 are going
0:37:25 to introduce
0:37:26 nuclear material
0:37:27 into it
0:37:27 within six
0:37:28 months
0:37:28 so here’s
0:37:29 your official
0:37:29 notification
0:37:31 and then a few
0:37:31 days later
0:37:32 they just
0:37:32 pretended to
0:37:33 expose it
0:37:34 when it was
0:37:35 the Iranians
0:37:35 themselves
0:37:35 who had
0:37:36 admitted to
0:37:36 it
0:37:38 in going
0:37:39 along
0:37:39 with their
0:37:41 obligations
0:37:41 under their
0:37:42 safeguards agreement
0:37:43 so it’s just
0:37:44 completely wrong
0:37:44 why do they
0:37:45 bury them
0:37:45 they buried
0:37:45 them for
0:37:46 protection
0:37:47 because clearly
0:37:48 the Israelis
0:37:48 have indicated
0:37:49 since the
0:37:50 1990s
0:37:50 they consider
0:37:51 any nuclear
0:37:52 program in
0:37:52 Iran
0:37:53 to be the
0:37:54 same thing
0:37:54 as an
0:37:54 advanced
0:37:55 nuclear
0:37:55 weapons
0:37:56 program
0:37:56 you’re hearing
0:37:57 that today
0:37:57 for them
0:37:58 to have
0:37:58 a nuclear
0:37:59 facility
0:37:59 at all
0:38:01 is equivalent
0:38:01 to them
0:38:02 going ahead
0:38:02 and breaking
0:38:03 out
0:38:03 and making
0:38:04 a nuclear
0:38:04 weapon
0:38:05 and so
0:38:05 of course
0:38:05 they know
0:38:06 that they
0:38:06 have to
0:38:06 have it
0:38:06 buried
0:38:07 to protect
0:38:07 it from
0:38:07 Israel
0:38:08 that doesn’t
0:38:09 mean
0:38:09 that they
0:38:10 are trying
0:38:10 to get
0:38:11 nukes
0:38:12 it does
0:38:12 mean
0:38:13 as I
0:38:13 already
0:38:13 said
0:38:14 that they
0:38:14 wanted to
0:38:15 prove to
0:38:15 the world
0:38:16 that they
0:38:16 know how
0:38:17 to enrich
0:38:18 uranium
0:38:19 and that
0:38:20 they have
0:38:21 facilities buried
0:38:21 deeply enough
0:38:22 where if we
0:38:22 attack them
0:38:23 that would
0:38:24 incentivize them
0:38:24 to making
0:38:25 nukes
0:38:25 and then we
0:38:26 might be
0:38:26 unable to
0:38:27 stop them
0:38:28 without going
0:38:28 all the way
0:38:29 toward a
0:38:29 regime change
0:38:30 which they’re
0:38:31 bluffing
0:38:32 basically betting
0:38:33 that we won’t
0:38:34 go that far
0:38:35 considering how
0:38:35 gigantic their
0:38:36 country is
0:38:36 and how
0:38:37 mountainous
0:38:37 and populous
0:38:38 it is
0:38:39 compared to
0:38:39 Iraq next
0:38:40 door
0:38:40 now here’s
0:38:41 some more
0:38:41 things that
0:38:42 he said
0:38:42 that weren’t
0:38:42 true
0:38:43 so he said
0:38:44 Iran has
0:38:44 been killing
0:38:45 Americans
0:38:45 all this
0:38:46 time
0:38:47 well that’s
0:38:48 almost always
0:38:48 a reference
0:38:49 to Beirut
0:38:49 1983
0:38:50 which you
0:38:51 can read
0:38:51 in the book
0:38:52 By Way
0:38:52 of Deception
0:38:53 by Victor
0:38:53 Ostrowski
0:38:54 the former
0:38:54 Mossad
0:38:55 officer
0:38:55 that the
0:38:56 Israelis
0:38:56 knew
0:38:57 that they
0:38:58 were building
0:38:58 that truck
0:38:59 bomb to
0:38:59 bomb the
0:39:00 marines
0:39:00 with
0:39:01 and withheld
0:39:01 that information
0:39:02 from the
0:39:03 United States
0:39:03 and said
0:39:03 that’s what
0:39:04 they get
0:39:04 for sticking
0:39:05 their big
0:39:05 noses in
0:39:06 and that
0:39:07 is in the
0:39:07 book By Way
0:39:08 of Deception
0:39:09 by Victor
0:39:09 Ostrowski
0:39:10 and by the
0:39:11 way the
0:39:11 Israelis
0:39:11 were friends
0:39:12 with them
0:39:13 with Iran
0:39:14 at the time
0:39:15 in all
0:39:16 through the
0:39:17 1980s
0:39:17 and it was
0:39:18 just a couple
0:39:18 of years
0:39:19 later when
0:39:19 Ronald Reagan
0:39:20 sold Iran
0:39:20 missiles and
0:39:21 using the
0:39:22 Israelis as
0:39:22 cutouts to
0:39:23 do so when
0:39:24 he switched
0:39:25 sides temporarily
0:39:25 in the
0:39:26 Iran-Iraq
0:39:27 war and so
0:39:28 that’s just
0:39:28 and that was
0:39:29 in 1983
0:39:31 if Ronald Reagan
0:39:31 can sell
0:39:32 missiles a year
0:39:33 or two years
0:39:33 after that
0:39:34 three years
0:39:34 after that
0:39:35 then surely
0:39:36 the United
0:39:36 States and
0:39:37 the Ayatollah
0:39:38 can bury
0:39:38 the hatchet
0:39:39 from that
0:39:39 and no one’s
0:39:40 ever even I
0:39:40 don’t believe
0:39:41 ever really
0:39:41 proven that
0:39:42 Tehran
0:39:43 ordered that
0:39:43 it was
0:39:44 a Shiite
0:39:44 militia
0:39:45 backed by
0:39:45 Iran
0:39:46 that sort
0:39:47 of proto-Hezbollah
0:39:48 that did that
0:39:48 attack that killed
0:39:49 those Marines
0:39:51 and if there’s
0:39:52 some responsibility
0:39:53 for then damn
0:39:54 them like if
0:39:54 there’s direct
0:39:55 responsibility for
0:39:56 that not just
0:39:56 their support
0:39:57 for the group
0:39:57 then damn
0:39:58 them for that
0:39:59 but that’s
0:39:59 still no reason
0:40:00 in the world
0:40:00 to say that
0:40:01 we can’t get
0:40:01 along with
0:40:02 them now
0:40:02 when that was
0:40:03 in the same
0:40:04 year Return
0:40:04 of the Jedi
0:40:04 came out
0:40:05 okay and
0:40:06 then the
0:40:07 other one
0:40:07 and this
0:40:08 is always
0:40:09 referred to
0:40:09 you’ll see
0:40:10 this on TV
0:40:10 news today
0:40:11 anyone watching
0:40:12 this turn on
0:40:12 TV news
0:40:13 and you’ll hear
0:40:13 them say
0:40:14 Iran killed
0:40:16 600 Americans
0:40:16 in Iraq War
0:40:17 II but
0:40:18 that’s a lie
0:40:19 there was a
0:40:20 gigantic propaganda
0:40:21 campaign by
0:40:21 Dick Cheney
0:40:22 and his
0:40:23 co-conspirators
0:40:24 David Petraeus
0:40:25 and Michael
0:40:26 Gordon of the
0:40:26 New York Times
0:40:27 now at the
0:40:27 Wall Street
0:40:28 Journal where
0:40:29 they lied
0:40:30 and lied
0:40:30 like the devil
0:40:32 for about
0:40:33 five six
0:40:33 months in
0:40:34 early 2007
0:40:36 that every
0:40:37 time a Shiite
0:40:38 set off a
0:40:38 roadside
0:40:39 bomb
0:40:39 these new
0:40:40 improved
0:40:40 copper
0:40:41 cord
0:40:42 enhanced
0:40:43 they’re
0:40:44 called
0:40:44 EFPs
0:40:45 explosively
0:40:46 formed
0:40:47 penetrators
0:40:48 now anytime
0:40:48 that happened
0:40:49 Iran did
0:40:49 it
0:40:50 which is
0:40:51 what George
0:40:51 Bush called
0:40:51 shorthanding
0:40:52 it
0:40:52 yeah in
0:40:52 other words
0:40:53 just implying
0:40:53 the lie
0:40:54 what they’re
0:40:54 saying is
0:40:55 Iran
0:40:56 backed
0:40:56 Muqtada
0:40:57 al-Sadr
0:40:58 and America
0:40:59 attacked
0:40:59 Muqtada
0:41:00 al-Sadr
0:41:00 who actually
0:41:00 they were
0:41:01 fighting the
0:41:01 whole war
0:41:01 for him
0:41:02 he remains
0:41:02 a powerful
0:41:03 kingmaker
0:41:03 in that
0:41:03 country
0:41:04 this day
0:41:04 he’s part
0:41:04 of the
0:41:05 United Iraqi
0:41:05 alliance
0:41:06 and in
0:41:07 fact as long
0:41:07 as we’re
0:41:07 taking a
0:41:08 long form
0:41:08 here
0:41:09 he was
0:41:09 the least
0:41:10 Iran tied
0:41:11 of the
0:41:12 three major
0:41:12 factions
0:41:13 in the
0:41:14 United Iraqi
0:41:14 alliance
0:41:14 in Iraq
0:41:15 War II
0:41:16 the other
0:41:16 two major
0:41:16 factions
0:41:17 were
0:41:17 Dawah
0:41:18 and the
0:41:18 Supreme
0:41:19 Islamic
0:41:19 Council
0:41:20 and they
0:41:20 had been
0:41:20 living in
0:41:21 Iran
0:41:21 for the
0:41:22 last 20
0:41:22 years
0:41:23 they’re
0:41:23 they’re
0:41:23 the ones
0:41:23 who came
0:41:24 and took
0:41:24 over
0:41:24 Baghdad
0:41:25 Muqtada
0:41:26 al-Sadr
0:41:26 was a
0:41:27 Shiite
0:41:27 and close
0:41:28 to Iran
0:41:28 but he’s
0:41:28 also an
0:41:29 Iraqi
0:41:29 nationalist
0:41:30 and at
0:41:30 times he
0:41:31 allied
0:41:31 with the
0:41:32 Sunnis
0:41:32 and tried
0:41:33 to limit
0:41:34 American
0:41:35 and Iranian
0:41:36 influence
0:41:36 in the
0:41:37 country
0:41:37 was more
0:41:37 of an
0:41:38 Arab
0:41:38 and an
0:41:38 Iraqi
0:41:39 nationalist
0:41:39 and the
0:41:40 Americans
0:41:40 decided
0:41:41 they hated
0:41:41 him the
0:41:41 most
0:41:42 not because
0:41:42 he was
0:41:42 the most
0:41:43 Iran
0:41:43 tied
0:41:44 but because
0:41:44 he was
0:41:45 willing to
0:41:45 tell us
0:41:46 and them
0:41:46 two
0:41:47 to get
0:41:47 the
0:41:47 hell
0:41:47 out
0:41:48 and
0:41:48 America
0:41:49 was betting
0:41:53 that
0:41:53 they would
0:41:54 eventually
0:41:54 end up
0:41:54 needing
0:41:55 our
0:41:55 money
0:41:55 and
0:41:55 guns
0:41:56 more
0:41:56 than
0:41:56 they
0:41:56 would
0:41:56 need
0:41:57 their
0:41:57 Iranian
0:41:57 friends
0:41:58 and
0:41:58 co-religionists
0:41:59 and sponsors
0:41:59 next door
0:42:00 which of course
0:42:01 did not work out
0:42:01 and America’s
0:42:02 had minimal
0:42:02 influence
0:42:03 in super
0:42:04 majority
0:42:04 Shiite
0:42:04 Iraq
0:42:05 ever since
0:42:05 the end
0:42:06 of Iraq
0:42:06 War II
0:42:07 and we
0:42:07 can get
0:42:07 back
0:42:08 later
0:42:08 in the
0:42:08 show
0:42:08 to
0:42:09 how
0:42:09 Israel
0:42:09 helped
0:42:10 lie
0:42:10 us
0:42:10 into
0:42:10 that
0:42:11 horrific
0:42:11 war
0:42:12 as well
0:42:12 but the
0:42:13 fact of
0:42:13 the matter
0:42:13 is
0:42:14 it was
0:42:14 not
0:42:15 Iranians
0:42:15 setting
0:42:15 off
0:42:15 those
0:42:15 bombs
0:42:16 and
0:42:16 it
0:42:16 was
0:42:16 not
0:42:16 even
0:42:17 Iranians
0:42:18 making
0:42:18 those
0:42:18 bombs
0:42:19 and
0:42:19 I
0:42:19 show
0:42:19 in my
0:42:19 book
0:42:20 enough
0:42:20 already
0:42:21 I have
0:42:22 a solid
0:42:22 dozen
0:42:23 sources
0:42:24 enough
0:42:25 already
0:42:26 thank you
0:42:26 I have
0:42:26 a solid
0:42:27 dozen
0:42:27 sources
0:42:28 including
0:42:29 Michael
0:42:29 Gordon’s
0:42:30 own
0:42:30 colleague
0:42:31 Alyssa
0:42:31 Rubin
0:42:32 at the
0:42:32 New York
0:42:32 Times
0:42:33 and many
0:42:33 others
0:42:35 where they
0:42:35 found
0:42:36 these
0:42:36 bomb
0:42:36 factories
0:42:37 in
0:42:38 Shiite
0:42:38 Iraq
0:42:39 they were
0:42:39 being
0:42:39 made
0:42:40 by Shiite
0:42:40 Arab
0:42:41 Iraqis
0:42:42 and
0:42:42 when
0:42:43 David
0:42:44 Petraeus
0:42:44 was going
0:42:44 to have
0:42:45 a big
0:42:45 press
0:42:45 conference
0:42:46 and they
0:42:46 laid
0:42:46 out
0:42:46 all
0:42:46 the
0:42:47 components
0:42:47 all
0:42:47 the
0:42:48 reporters
0:42:48 gathered
0:42:48 around
0:42:49 and
0:42:49 they
0:42:49 started
0:42:49 noticing
0:42:50 that
0:42:50 the
0:42:50 components
0:42:50 said
0:42:51 made
0:42:51 in
0:42:51 UAE
0:42:52 made
0:42:52 in
0:42:53 Haditha
0:42:53 that is
0:42:54 Iraq
0:42:54 in other
0:42:54 words
0:42:55 there was
0:42:55 no
0:42:55 evidence
0:42:56 whatsoever
0:42:57 that
0:42:57 these
0:42:57 came
0:42:57 from
0:42:58 Iran
0:42:59 and
0:42:59 then
0:42:59 they
0:42:59 called
0:43:00 off
0:43:00 the
0:43:00 press
0:43:00 conference
0:43:00 and
0:43:01 Stephen
0:43:01 Hadley
0:43:02 George
0:43:02 Bush’s
0:43:03 second
0:43:03 national
0:43:04 security
0:43:04 advisor
0:43:05 admitted
0:43:05 that
0:43:05 yeah
0:43:05 we
0:43:06 didn’t
0:43:06 have
0:43:06 the
0:43:06 evidence
0:43:07 that
0:43:07 we
0:43:07 needed
0:43:08 to
0:43:08 present
0:43:08 that
0:43:09 and
0:43:16 deeply
0:43:16 involved
0:43:16 in
0:43:17 Iraq
0:43:17 war
0:43:18 reconfirming
0:43:19 that
0:43:19 that
0:43:19 there
0:43:19 was
0:43:19 never
0:43:20 any
0:43:20 evidence
0:43:20 that
0:43:20 these
0:43:21 bombs
0:43:21 were
0:43:21 coming
0:43:22 across
0:43:23 from
0:43:23 Iran
0:43:24 or
0:43:25 especially
0:43:25 that
0:43:26 then
0:43:26 even
0:43:26 if
0:43:26 they
0:43:27 were
0:43:27 that
0:43:27 that
0:43:27 was
0:43:27 at
0:43:28 the
0:43:28 direction
0:43:29 of
0:43:29 the
0:43:29 Quds
0:43:29 force
0:43:30 or
0:43:30 the
0:43:31 Ayatollah
0:43:31 this
0:43:31 was
0:43:31 all
0:43:32 just
0:43:32 a
0:43:32 propaganda
0:43:33 campaign
0:43:33 because
0:43:33 Dick Cheney
0:43:34 and David
0:43:34 Petraeus
0:43:34 were trying
0:43:35 to give
0:43:35 George Bush
0:43:36 a reason
0:43:37 to hit
0:43:38 IRGC bases
0:43:38 and start
0:43:39 the war
0:43:40 in 2007
0:43:40 and this
0:43:41 sounds crazy
0:43:41 but there’s
0:43:42 like four
0:43:42 major
0:43:42 confirming
0:43:43 sources
0:43:43 for it
0:43:45 Dick Cheney’s
0:43:45 national
0:43:46 security
0:43:46 advisor
0:43:47 David
0:43:47 Wormser
0:43:48 who was
0:43:48 the author
0:43:49 of the
0:43:49 clean
0:43:49 break
0:43:50 strategy
0:43:50 which
0:43:50 we’re
0:43:50 going
0:43:50 to
0:43:51 talk
0:43:51 about
0:43:51 today
0:43:52 David
0:43:53 Wormser
0:43:53 in 2007
0:43:54 was saying
0:43:55 we want
0:43:55 to work
0:43:55 with the
0:43:56 Israelis
0:43:56 to start
0:43:57 the war
0:43:57 with Iran
0:43:58 to force
0:43:58 George Bush
0:43:59 to do
0:43:59 an end
0:43:59 run
0:44:00 around
0:44:00 George
0:44:00 Bush
0:44:00 and force
0:44:01 him
0:44:01 into
0:44:01 the war
0:44:02 and that
0:44:02 was reported
0:44:02 originally
0:44:03 by Stephen
0:44:03 Clemens
0:44:04 in the
0:44:04 Washington
0:44:05 Note
0:44:05 but it
0:44:05 was later
0:44:06 confirmed
0:44:07 in the
0:44:07 New York
0:44:07 Times
0:44:08 and by
0:44:09 the
0:44:09 Washington
0:44:10 Post
0:44:10 reporter
0:44:10 Barton
0:44:11 Gelman
0:44:12 in his
0:44:12 book
0:44:12 Angler
0:44:13 on Dick
0:44:13 Cheney
0:44:14 that there
0:44:14 was this
0:44:15 huge
0:44:16 this was
0:44:16 the end
0:44:16 that they
0:44:17 were going
0:44:17 for
0:44:18 was they
0:44:18 were trying
0:44:19 so hard
0:44:19 to force
0:44:20 a war
0:44:21 in 2007
0:44:21 and it
0:44:22 was the
0:44:22 commander
0:44:23 of CENTCOM
0:44:24 Admiral Fallon
0:44:24 who said
0:44:25 over my
0:44:25 dead body
0:44:26 we are
0:44:26 not doing
0:44:27 this
0:44:27 and then
0:44:28 a few
0:44:28 months later
0:44:29 the
0:44:29 National
0:44:30 Intelligence
0:44:30 Council
0:44:30 put out
0:44:31 their NIE
0:44:32 saying that
0:44:32 there is
0:44:32 no nuclear
0:44:33 weapons
0:44:33 program
0:44:34 at all
0:44:34 and W.
0:44:35 Bush
0:44:35 complained
0:44:35 in his
0:44:36 memoir
0:44:36 Lex
0:44:37 that
0:44:38 in his
0:44:38 story
0:44:39 it’s
0:44:39 the
0:44:39 Saudi
0:44:39 king
0:44:40 his
0:44:40 royal
0:44:41 highness
0:44:41 Abdullah
0:44:41 rather
0:44:42 than
0:44:43 Ehud
0:44:43 Olmert
0:44:44 but he’s
0:44:44 saying
0:44:45 I’m sorry
0:44:45 your
0:44:46 highness
0:44:47 majesty
0:44:48 I can’t
0:44:49 attack
0:44:49 Iran’s
0:44:50 nuclear
0:44:50 program
0:44:50 because
0:44:50 my
0:44:51 own
0:44:51 intelligence
0:44:52 agency
0:44:52 says
0:44:53 they
0:44:53 don’t
0:44:53 have
0:44:53 a
0:44:53 military
0:44:54 program
0:44:55 so
0:44:55 how
0:44:55 am I
0:44:55 supposed
0:44:55 to
0:44:56 start
0:44:56 a war
0:44:56 with
0:44:56 them
0:44:56 when
0:44:57 my
0:44:57 own
0:44:57 intelligence
0:44:58 agency
0:44:58 say
0:44:58 that
0:44:59 this
0:44:59 is
0:44:59 what
0:44:59 Donald
0:44:59 Trump
0:44:59 just
0:45:00 did
0:45:00 started
0:45:00 anyway
0:45:01 had
0:45:01 his
0:45:01 man
0:45:02 Rubio
0:45:02 say
0:45:02 well
0:45:02 screw
0:45:02 the
0:45:03 intelligence
0:45:03 I
0:45:03 don’t
0:45:03 care
0:45:03 what
0:45:03 it
0:45:03 says
0:45:04 we
0:45:04 can
0:45:04 just
0:45:04 do
0:45:04 this
0:45:04 if
0:45:04 we
0:45:05 want
0:45:05 to
0:45:05 so
0:45:06 first
0:45:06 let me
0:45:06 say
0:45:07 on the
0:45:07 cover
0:45:07 of
0:45:07 enough
0:45:07 already
0:45:08 devastating
0:45:09 Daniel
0:45:10 Ellsberg
0:45:10 outstanding
0:45:11 Daniel
0:45:11 L.
0:45:11 Davis
0:45:12 essential
0:45:12 Ron
0:45:12 Paul
0:45:13 you are
0:45:14 respected
0:45:14 by a
0:45:14 very large
0:45:15 number
0:45:15 of
0:45:15 people
0:45:15 you have
0:45:16 decades
0:45:16 of
0:45:16 experience
0:45:17 in this
0:45:17 same
0:45:17 thing
0:45:17 with
0:45:18 Mark
0:45:19 extremely
0:45:20 respected
0:45:20 by a
0:45:21 very large
0:45:21 number
0:45:21 of
0:45:21 people
0:45:22 experts
0:45:22 there’s
0:45:23 a lot
0:45:23 of
0:45:23 disagreements
0:45:24 here
0:45:24 and
0:45:24 we’re
0:45:25 going
0:45:25 to
0:45:25 unfortunately
0:45:25 leave
0:45:26 a lot
0:45:26 of
0:45:26 the
0:45:26 disagreements
0:45:27 on
0:45:27 the
0:45:27 table
0:45:27 for
0:45:28 the
0:45:29 aforementioned
0:45:30 nuclear
0:45:30 scientists
0:45:31 to
0:45:32 deconstruct
0:45:32 later
0:45:33 so
0:45:33 let’s
0:45:33 not
0:45:33 like
0:45:34 try
0:45:34 to
0:45:34 every
0:45:34 single
0:45:35 claim
0:45:35 does
0:45:35 not
0:45:35 have
0:45:35 to
0:45:35 be
0:45:36 perfectly
0:45:36 refuted
0:45:36 let’s
0:45:37 just
0:45:37 leave
0:45:37 it
0:45:37 on
0:45:37 the
0:45:38 table
0:45:38 the
0:45:39 statements
0:45:39 as
0:45:39 they
0:45:39 stand
0:45:40 and
0:45:40 let’s
0:45:40 try
0:45:41 to
0:45:41 also
0:45:42 find
0:45:43 things
0:45:43 we
0:45:43 kind
0:45:43 of
0:45:43 agree
0:45:44 on
0:45:44 and
0:45:45 try
0:45:45 I know
0:45:46 this
0:45:46 might
0:45:46 be
0:45:46 difficult
0:45:46 but
0:45:46 to
0:45:47 steal
0:45:47 man
0:45:47 the
0:45:47 other
0:45:48 side
0:45:48 that’s
0:45:48 the
0:45:48 thing
0:45:48 I
0:45:48 would
0:45:49 love
0:45:49 to
0:45:49 ask
0:45:49 you
0:45:51 maybe
0:45:52 give
0:45:52 Mark
0:45:52 a chance
0:45:53 to speak
0:45:53 a little
0:45:53 bit
0:45:53 but
0:45:54 to
0:45:55 try
0:45:55 to
0:45:55 for
0:45:55 both
0:45:55 of
0:45:56 you
0:45:56 to
0:45:56 try
0:45:56 to
0:45:56 steal
0:45:56 man
0:45:57 the
0:45:57 other
0:45:57 side
0:45:57 so
0:45:58 people
0:45:58 who
0:45:58 are
0:45:59 concerned
0:45:59 about
0:46:01 Iran
0:46:01 developing
0:46:01 a nuclear
0:46:02 program
0:46:02 can you
0:46:02 steal
0:46:03 man
0:46:03 that
0:46:03 case
0:46:03 and
0:46:03 the
0:46:04 same
0:46:04 I
0:46:05 think
0:46:05 I did
0:46:05 in my
0:46:05 opening
0:46:06 statement
0:46:06 quite
0:46:06 frankly
0:46:06 I
0:46:07 don’t
0:46:07 carry
0:46:08 any
0:46:08 brief
0:46:08 for
0:46:09 the
0:46:09 Ayatollah
0:46:10 I’m
0:46:10 a
0:46:10 Texan
0:46:11 I don’t
0:46:11 give a
0:46:11 damn
0:46:11 about
0:46:12 what
0:46:12 some
0:46:12 Shiite
0:46:13 theocrat
0:46:13 says
0:46:13 about
0:46:14 nothing
0:46:14 right
0:46:14 my
0:46:15 interest
0:46:15 is
0:46:15 the
0:46:16 people
0:46:16 of
0:46:16 this
0:46:16 country
0:46:17 and
0:46:17 its
0:46:18 future
0:46:18 and
0:46:19 what’s
0:46:19 true
0:46:20 and
0:46:20 so
0:46:20 I
0:46:20 don’t
0:46:21 mind
0:46:21 telling
0:46:21 you
0:46:22 even
0:46:22 though
0:46:22 the
0:46:23 Iranians
0:46:23 never
0:46:23 said
0:46:23 we’re
0:46:24 building
0:46:24 a
0:46:24 latent
0:46:25 nuclear
0:46:25 weapons
0:46:26 capability
0:46:26 that’s
0:46:26 clearly
0:46:27 what
0:46:27 they’re
0:46:27 doing
0:46:28 is
0:46:28 showing
0:46:29 that
0:46:29 they
0:46:29 can
0:46:30 make
0:46:30 a
0:46:30 nuke
0:46:30 so
0:46:31 don’t
0:46:31 make
0:46:31 me
0:46:32 make
0:46:32 a
0:46:32 nuke
0:46:32 that
0:46:33 has
0:46:33 been
0:46:33 their
0:46:33 position
0:46:34 their
0:46:34 position
0:46:34 has
0:46:34 not
0:46:34 been
0:46:35 I’m
0:46:35 making
0:46:35 a
0:46:35 nuke
0:46:36 so
0:46:36 I
0:46:36 can
0:46:36 wipe
0:46:37 Israel
0:46:37 off
0:46:37 the
0:46:37 map
0:46:38 their
0:46:38 position
0:46:38 has
0:46:39 been
0:46:39 look
0:46:39 if
0:46:39 you
0:46:40 guys
0:46:40 don’t
0:46:40 attack
0:46:41 us
0:46:41 we
0:46:41 could
0:46:41 just
0:46:42 keep
0:46:42 this
0:46:42 civilian
0:46:43 program
0:46:43 the
0:46:44 way
0:46:44 it
0:46:44 is
0:46:44 and
0:46:45 again
0:46:45 there’s
0:46:46 always
0:46:46 the
0:46:47 implication
0:46:47 that
0:46:47 they’re
0:46:48 just
0:46:48 building
0:46:48 up
0:46:48 this
0:46:49 uranium
0:46:49 stockpile
0:46:49 but
0:46:50 no
0:46:50 they’re
0:46:50 not
0:46:50 that
0:46:50 was
0:46:50 in
0:46:51 reaction
0:46:51 to
0:46:51 one
0:46:52 Donald
0:46:52 Trump
0:46:53 leaving
0:46:53 the
0:46:53 deal
0:46:53 in
0:46:54 2018
0:46:54 to
0:46:55 the
0:46:55 assassination
0:46:56 in
0:46:56 December
0:46:56 2020
0:46:57 of
0:46:57 the
0:46:57 Iranian
0:46:58 nuclear
0:46:59 scientist
0:47:01 and
0:47:01 then
0:47:01 in
0:47:01 April
0:47:02 of
0:47:02 21
0:47:03 the
0:47:04 sabotage
0:47:04 at
0:47:05 Natanz
0:47:05 and
0:47:05 there’s
0:47:05 a
0:47:05 Reuters
0:47:06 story
0:47:06 that
0:47:06 says
0:47:07 right
0:47:07 after
0:47:07 they
0:47:08 sabotage
0:47:08 Natanz
0:47:09 that’s
0:47:09 when
0:47:09 the
0:47:10 Ayatollah
0:47:10 decided
0:47:11 let’s
0:47:11 enrich
0:47:11 up
0:47:11 to
0:47:12 60%
0:47:12 which
0:47:13 why
0:47:13 stop
0:47:14 30%
0:47:15 short
0:47:15 of
0:47:16 90%
0:47:16 235
0:47:17 it’s
0:47:18 because
0:47:18 they’re
0:47:18 not
0:47:19 even
0:47:19 making
0:47:19 a
0:47:19 threat
0:47:20 they’re
0:47:20 built
0:47:21 they’re
0:47:21 making
0:47:21 like
0:47:21 the
0:47:22 most
0:47:22 latent
0:47:23 threat
0:47:23 a
0:47:23 bargaining
0:47:24 chip
0:47:24 to
0:47:25 negotiate
0:47:26 away
0:47:26 they’re
0:47:26 trying
0:47:26 to
0:47:26 put
0:47:27 pressure
0:47:27 on
0:47:27 the
0:47:27 United
0:47:27 States
0:47:27 to
0:47:28 come
0:47:28 back
0:47:28 to
0:47:28 the
0:47:29 table
0:47:29 that’s
0:47:29 not
0:47:30 the
0:47:30 same
0:47:30 as
0:47:30 racing
0:47:30 to
0:47:31 the
0:47:31 bomb
0:47:32 that’s
0:47:32 why
0:47:32 Marco
0:47:32 Rubio
0:47:33 says
0:47:33 never
0:47:33 mind
0:47:34 the
0:47:34 intelligence
0:47:34 because
0:47:35 the
0:47:35 intelligence
0:47:35 says
0:47:36 what
0:47:36 I
0:47:56 got
0:47:56 got
0:47:56 to
0:47:56 get
0:47:57 into
0:47:57 the
0:47:57 details
0:47:57 of
0:47:57 this
0:47:58 stuff
0:47:58 details
0:47:59 100%
0:47:59 but
0:48:00 I
0:48:00 like
0:48:00 the
0:48:01 tension
0:48:01 between
0:48:02 two
0:48:03 people
0:48:03 with
0:48:04 different
0:48:04 perspectives
0:48:05 exploring
0:48:05 those
0:48:05 details
0:48:06 and
0:48:06 the
0:48:07 more
0:48:07 we
0:48:07 can
0:48:07 go
0:48:07 back
0:48:07 and
0:48:08 forth
0:48:08 the
0:48:08 better
0:48:09 and
0:48:09 there’s
0:48:09 a lot
0:48:09 of
0:48:09 disagreement
0:48:10 on the
0:48:10 table
0:48:10 I
0:48:10 personally
0:48:11 enjoy
0:48:11 learning
0:48:12 from
0:48:12 the
0:48:12 disagreement
0:48:12 that
0:48:13 was
0:48:13 a
0:48:13 long
0:48:14 list
0:48:14 of
0:48:14 claims
0:48:14 no
0:48:15 ?
0:48:26 I
0:48:26 like
0:48:27 the
0:48:27 tension
0:48:27 of
0:48:27 the
0:48:27 debate
0:48:28 of
0:48:28 back
0:48:28 and
0:48:28 forth
0:48:28 that’s
0:48:29 all
0:48:29 Mark
0:48:29 do
0:48:29 you
0:48:30 want
0:48:30 to
0:48:31 comment
0:48:31 on
0:48:31 stuff
0:48:32 a
0:48:32 little
0:48:32 bit
0:48:32 here
0:48:32 which
0:48:33 would
0:48:33 pick
0:48:34 whichever
0:48:34 topic
0:48:34 you
0:48:34 want
0:48:34 to
0:48:35 go
0:48:35 with
0:48:35 here
0:48:35 yeah
0:48:35 there’s
0:48:36 a lot
0:48:36 there
0:48:36 so
0:48:37 just
0:48:37 a
0:48:37 couple
0:48:38 things
0:48:38 I
0:48:38 think
0:48:38 that
0:48:38 are
0:48:38 worth
0:48:39 your
0:48:39 viewers
0:48:39 knowing
0:48:40 because
0:48:40 Scott’s
0:48:41 right
0:48:41 I
0:48:41 mean
0:48:41 the
0:48:41 nuclear
0:48:41 physics
0:48:42 is
0:48:42 complicated
0:48:42 and
0:48:43 it’s
0:48:43 also
0:48:44 important
0:48:45 so
0:48:45 the
0:48:45 Iranians
0:48:45 have
0:48:47 assembled
0:48:48 about
0:48:49 15 to
0:48:49 17
0:48:50 bombs
0:48:50 worth
0:48:51 of
0:48:51 60%
0:48:52 enriched
0:48:52 uranium
0:48:52 and
0:48:52 I
0:48:52 think
0:48:53 it’s
0:48:53 always
0:48:53 important
0:48:53 for
0:48:54 your
0:48:54 listeners
0:48:55 to
0:48:55 understand
0:48:55 what
0:48:55 does
0:48:55 this
0:48:56 all
0:48:56 mean
0:48:56 enriched
0:48:57 to
0:48:58 3.67%
0:48:58 to
0:48:59 20%
0:49:00 to
0:49:00 60%
0:49:01 and
0:49:01 then
0:49:01 to
0:49:01 90%
0:49:02 weapons
0:49:02 grade
0:49:02 uranium
0:49:03 what
0:49:03 does
0:49:03 this
0:49:04 process
0:49:04 mean
0:49:06 first
0:49:06 of
0:49:06 obviously
0:49:06 enriched
0:49:07 uranium
0:49:07 is
0:49:07 a
0:49:07 key
0:49:08 capability
0:49:08 to
0:49:09 develop
0:49:09 a
0:49:09 nuclear
0:49:09 weapon
0:49:10 it
0:49:10 can
0:49:10 also
0:49:10 be
0:49:10 used
0:49:11 for
0:49:11 other
0:49:11 purposes
0:49:12 civilian
0:49:13 purposes
0:49:13 and
0:49:14 research
0:49:14 purposes
0:49:15 you
0:49:15 can
0:49:15 use
0:49:15 it
0:49:15 to
0:49:16 power
0:49:16 nuclear
0:49:16 submarine
0:49:17 so
0:49:17 let’s
0:49:17 just
0:49:18 if
0:49:18 you
0:49:18 don’t
0:49:18 mind
0:49:18 if
0:49:19 I
0:49:19 could
0:49:19 just
0:49:19 break
0:49:19 it
0:49:19 down
0:49:20 yeah
0:49:21 just
0:49:21 I
0:49:22 think
0:49:22 it’s
0:49:22 again
0:49:22 important
0:49:22 just
0:49:23 to
0:49:23 understand
0:49:23 the
0:49:23 sort
0:49:24 of
0:49:24 basics
0:49:24 before
0:49:25 we
0:49:25 jump
0:49:25 into
0:49:25 the
0:49:26 allegations
0:49:26 and
0:49:27 claims
0:49:27 and
0:49:27 counter
0:49:28 claims
0:49:28 so
0:49:29 if
0:49:29 you’re
0:49:29 going
0:49:29 to
0:49:29 enrich
0:49:29 to
0:49:31 3.67%
0:49:31 enrich
0:49:32 uranium
0:49:33 that’s
0:49:33 for
0:49:34 civilian
0:49:34 nuclear
0:49:35 power
0:49:35 right
0:49:36 but
0:49:36 when
0:49:36 you
0:49:36 do
0:49:37 that
0:49:37 you
0:49:37 basically
0:49:38 70%
0:49:38 of
0:49:38 what
0:49:38 you
0:49:39 need
0:49:39 to
0:49:39 get
0:49:39 to
0:49:39 weapons
0:49:40 grade
0:49:40 right
0:49:40 so
0:49:41 you’ve
0:49:41 done
0:49:41 all
0:49:41 the
0:49:42 steps
0:49:43 70%
0:49:43 of
0:49:43 the
0:49:43 steps
0:49:43 in
0:49:44 order
0:49:44 to
0:49:44 get
0:49:44 to
0:49:45 weapons
0:49:45 grade
0:49:46 uranium
0:49:47 if
0:49:47 you
0:49:47 enrich
0:49:47 to
0:49:48 20%
0:49:49 you
0:49:49 are
0:49:50 now
0:49:50 at
0:49:51 90%
0:49:52 of
0:49:52 what
0:49:52 you
0:49:52 need
0:49:52 to
0:49:52 get
0:49:53 to
0:49:53 weapons
0:49:53 grade
0:49:53 uranium
0:49:54 now
0:49:54 why
0:49:54 would
0:49:54 you
0:49:54 need
0:49:55 20%
0:49:56 you
0:49:56 may
0:49:56 need
0:49:56 it
0:49:56 for
0:49:57 something
0:49:57 like
0:49:57 a
0:49:58 research
0:49:58 reactor
0:49:59 right
0:49:59 and
0:49:59 so
0:50:01 Iran
0:50:01 has
0:50:01 correct
0:50:02 Iran
0:50:02 has
0:50:03 a
0:50:03 Tehran
0:50:04 research
0:50:04 reactor
0:50:04 for
0:50:05 medical
0:50:05 isotopes
0:50:05 now
0:50:05 you
0:50:06 can
0:50:06 buy
0:50:07 those
0:50:07 isotopes
0:50:08 from
0:50:08 abroad
0:50:09 or
0:50:09 you
0:50:09 can
0:50:10 produce
0:50:10 them
0:50:10 at
0:50:10 home
0:50:11 if
0:50:11 you
0:50:11 going
0:50:11 to
0:50:12 enrich
0:50:16 what
0:50:16 you
0:50:16 need
0:50:16 to
0:50:16 get
0:50:17 to
0:50:17 weapons
0:50:17 grade
0:50:17 uranium
0:50:18 and
0:50:18 then
0:50:19 90%
0:50:20 is
0:50:20 quote
0:50:20 weapons
0:50:21 grade
0:50:21 uranium
0:50:21 by
0:50:21 the way
0:50:21 you
0:50:21 can
0:50:22 use
0:50:22 60%
0:50:23 to
0:50:23 actually
0:50:24 deliver
0:50:24 a
0:50:24 crude
0:50:24 nuclear
0:50:25 device
0:50:26 that
0:50:26 has
0:50:27 been
0:50:27 done
0:50:27 in
0:50:27 the
0:50:27 past
0:50:28 but
0:50:28 you
0:50:28 want
0:50:28 to
0:50:28 get
0:50:28 to
0:50:29 quote
0:50:30 90%
0:50:31 that’s
0:50:32 weapons
0:50:32 grade
0:50:32 uranium
0:50:33 as
0:50:33 Scott’s
0:50:34 defining
0:50:34 it
0:50:34 but
0:50:34 just
0:50:34 again
0:50:34 to
0:50:35 clarify
0:50:36 these
0:50:36 huge
0:50:37 stockpiles
0:50:37 of
0:50:38 60%
0:50:38 that
0:50:38 Iran
0:50:38 has
0:50:39 accumulated
0:50:40 this
0:50:41 16-17
0:50:42 bombs
0:50:42 worth
0:50:42 of
0:50:43 60%
0:50:43 is
0:50:44 99%
0:50:45 of
0:50:45 what
0:50:45 they
0:50:45 need
0:50:45 for
0:50:45 weapons
0:50:46 grade
0:50:46 so
0:50:46 I
0:50:46 just
0:50:46 wanted
0:50:47 to
0:50:47 explain
0:50:47 that
0:50:48 yeah
0:50:48 but
0:50:48 when you
0:50:49 say
0:50:49 you’re
0:50:49 saying
0:50:50 if
0:50:50 you
0:50:50 include
0:50:51 the
0:50:51 mining
0:50:52 the
0:50:52 refining
0:50:52 of
0:50:52 the
0:50:53 ore
0:50:53 into
0:50:53 yellow
0:50:53 cake
0:50:53 the
0:50:54 transformation
0:50:54 of
0:50:55 that
0:50:55 into
0:50:55 uranium
0:50:56 hexafluoride
0:50:56 gas
0:50:57 the
0:50:57 driving
0:50:58 of it
0:50:58 in
0:50:58 a
0:50:58 truck
0:50:58 over
0:50:59 to
0:50:59 the
0:51:00 centrifuge
0:51:00 and
0:51:01 then
0:51:01 spinning
0:51:02 it
0:51:02 this
0:51:03 is
0:51:03 where
0:51:03 we
0:51:03 get
0:51:03 this
0:51:04 90%
0:51:04 number
0:51:05 from
0:51:05 right
0:51:06 in
0:51:07 place
0:51:07 of
0:51:08 90%
0:51:08 enriched
0:51:09 uranium
0:51:09 or
0:51:11 80%
0:51:11 enriched
0:51:11 uranium
0:51:12 it’s
0:51:12 90%
0:51:13 of the
0:51:13 way
0:51:13 on
0:51:14 some
0:51:14 chart
0:51:14 that
0:51:15 includes
0:51:16 picking
0:51:16 up a
0:51:16 shovel
0:51:17 and
0:51:17 beginning
0:51:17 to
0:51:18 mine
0:51:18 right
0:51:19 again
0:51:19 just to
0:51:19 clarify
0:51:20 I
0:51:20 just
0:51:20 think
0:51:20 it’s
0:51:20 important
0:51:20 to
0:51:21 understand
0:51:21 the
0:51:21 definition
0:51:22 of
0:51:22 terms
0:51:23 to
0:51:23 get
0:51:24 once
0:51:24 you
0:51:24 have
0:51:25 60%
0:51:25 enriched
0:51:26 uranium
0:51:26 you’ve
0:51:26 done
0:51:27 99%
0:51:27 of
0:51:27 all
0:51:27 the
0:51:28 steps
0:51:28 including
0:51:28 some
0:51:28 of
0:51:28 the
0:51:29 steps
0:51:29 that
0:51:29 Scott’s
0:51:29 talking
0:51:30 about
0:51:30 you’ve
0:51:30 done
0:51:35 well
0:51:36 as
0:51:36 I’ve
0:51:36 already
0:51:37 established
0:51:37 numerous
0:51:38 times
0:51:38 here
0:51:38 under
0:51:39 the
0:51:39 JCPOA
0:51:40 they
0:51:40 shipped
0:51:40 out
0:51:40 every
0:51:41 bit
0:51:41 of
0:51:41 their
0:51:42 enriched
0:51:42 uranium
0:51:43 stockpile
0:51:43 the
0:51:43 French
0:51:44 turned
0:51:44 it
0:51:44 into
0:51:44 fuel
0:51:45 rods
0:51:45 and
0:51:45 then
0:51:45 shipped
0:51:46 it
0:51:46 back
0:51:46 that’s
0:51:47 the
0:51:47 deal
0:51:47 they’re
0:51:47 trying
0:51:47 to
0:51:47 get
0:51:48 the
0:51:48 U.S.
0:51:48 back
0:51:49 into
0:51:49 and
0:51:50 were
0:51:50 obviously
0:51:51 clearly
0:51:51 willing
0:51:51 to
0:51:51 do
0:51:52 and
0:51:52 again
0:51:52 the
0:51:52 only
0:51:53 reason
0:51:53 they’re
0:51:53 enriching
0:51:53 up
0:51:53 to
0:51:54 60%
0:51:54 was
0:51:54 to
0:51:55 put
0:51:55 the
0:51:55 pressure
0:51:55 on
0:51:55 the
0:51:56 Americans
0:51:56 to
0:51:57 go
0:51:57 ahead
0:51:57 and
0:51:57 get
0:51:57 back
0:51:58 into
0:51:58 the
0:51:58 deal
0:51:59 and
0:51:59 bad
0:51:59 bet
0:52:00 it
0:52:00 gave
0:52:00 them
0:52:00 an
0:52:01 excuse
0:52:01 to
0:52:01 bomb
0:52:01 based
0:52:02 on
0:52:02 the
0:52:02 idea
0:52:02 that
0:52:02 people
0:52:02 are
0:52:02 going
0:52:02 to
0:52:03 listen
0:52:03 to
0:52:03 him
0:52:04 pretend
0:52:04 that
0:52:04 somehow
0:52:04 that’s
0:52:05 99%
0:52:06 of the
0:52:06 way
0:52:06 to
0:52:26 they’re
0:52:26 very
0:52:27 close
0:52:27 to
0:52:28 weapons
0:52:28 grade
0:52:29 it’s
0:52:30 1%
0:52:30 more
0:52:30 that
0:52:30 they
0:52:30 need
0:52:30 to
0:52:31 do
0:52:31 to
0:52:31 enrich
0:52:31 to
0:52:31 weapons
0:52:32 grade
0:52:32 the
0:52:33 second
0:52:33 aspect
0:52:33 of
0:52:33 a
0:52:34 deliverable
0:52:34 nuclear
0:52:34 weapon
0:52:35 is
0:52:35 obviously
0:52:36 the
0:52:36 delivery
0:52:36 vehicle
0:52:37 and
0:52:37 those
0:52:37 are
0:52:37 the
0:52:37 missiles
0:52:38 and
0:52:39 according
0:52:40 to
0:52:40 the
0:52:40 DNI
0:52:40 and
0:52:41 other
0:52:42 incredible
0:52:42 sources
0:52:43 Iran
0:52:43 has
0:52:43 got
0:52:43 the
0:52:44 largest
0:52:45 missile
0:52:45 inventory
0:52:46 in
0:52:46 the
0:52:46 Middle
0:52:46 East
0:52:48 3,000
0:52:48 missiles
0:52:49 before
0:52:49 the
0:52:49 war
0:52:49 began
0:52:51 and
0:52:51 at
0:52:52 least
0:52:52 the
0:52:52 ballistic
0:52:53 missiles
0:52:54 2,000
0:52:54 capable
0:52:54 of
0:52:55 reaching
0:52:55 Israel
0:52:56 so
0:52:56 there’s
0:52:56 no doubt
0:52:56 that
0:52:57 Iran
0:52:57 has
0:52:57 the
0:52:57 ability
0:52:58 once
0:52:58 they
0:52:58 have
0:52:59 the
0:52:59 weapons
0:52:59 grade
0:53:00 uranium
0:53:00 and
0:53:00 the
0:53:01 warhead
0:53:01 to
0:53:01 fix
0:53:02 that
0:53:02 to
0:53:02 a
0:53:02 missile
0:53:02 and
0:53:03 deliver
0:53:03 that
0:53:04 certainly
0:53:04 to
0:53:04 hit
0:53:05 Israel
0:53:05 hit
0:53:05 our
0:53:06 Gulf
0:53:06 neighbors
0:53:07 hit
0:53:07 southern
0:53:07 Europe
0:53:08 they
0:53:08 also
0:53:09 have
0:53:09 a
0:53:10 active
0:53:10 intercontinental
0:53:11 ballistic
0:53:11 missile
0:53:12 program
0:53:12 an
0:53:13 ICBM
0:53:13 program
0:53:14 which
0:53:15 ultimately
0:53:15 is
0:53:16 designed
0:53:16 not
0:53:16 to
0:53:16 hit
0:53:16 the
0:53:17 Israelis
0:53:17 or
0:53:17 the
0:53:18 Gulf
0:53:18 but
0:53:19 to
0:53:19 hit
0:53:20 deeper
0:53:20 into
0:53:21 Europe
0:53:21 and
0:53:21 ultimately
0:53:22 to
0:53:22 target
0:53:22 the
0:53:22 United
0:53:23 States
0:53:23 so
0:53:24 let’s
0:53:24 just
0:53:24 understand
0:53:24 the
0:53:25 missile
0:53:25 program
0:53:25 I think
0:53:26 it’s
0:53:26 an
0:53:26 important
0:53:26 part
0:53:26 of it
0:53:27 the
0:53:27 third
0:53:27 leg
0:53:28 of the
0:53:28 stool
0:53:28 and
0:53:28 Scott
0:53:29 has
0:53:29 already
0:53:29 alluded
0:53:30 to
0:53:30 this
0:53:30 and
0:53:30 we’ve
0:53:30 had
0:53:30 some
0:53:31 debate
0:53:31 on
0:53:31 this
0:53:31 and
0:53:31 I
0:53:31 think
0:53:31 we
0:53:31 should
0:53:32 talk
0:53:32 about
0:53:32 it
0:53:33 what
0:53:34 you’ve
0:53:34 got
0:53:34 to
0:53:34 develop
0:53:35 a
0:53:35 warhead
0:53:36 or
0:53:37 crude
0:53:37 nuclear
0:53:38 device
0:53:38 and
0:53:39 according
0:53:39 to
0:53:40 estimates
0:53:41 from
0:53:41 both
0:53:41 US
0:53:42 government
0:53:42 sources
0:53:43 and
0:53:44 nuclear
0:53:45 experts
0:53:45 it
0:53:45 would
0:53:46 take
0:53:46 about
0:53:46 four
0:53:46 to
0:53:47 six
0:53:47 months
0:53:47 for
0:53:47 Iran
0:53:47 to
0:53:48 develop
0:53:48 a
0:53:48 crude
0:53:48 nuclear
0:53:49 device
0:53:50 this
0:53:50 is
0:53:50 something
0:53:50 that
0:53:51 you
0:53:51 wouldn’t
0:53:51 use
0:53:51 a
0:53:51 missile
0:53:52 to
0:53:52 deliver
0:53:52 but
0:53:52 you
0:53:52 would
0:53:53 use
0:53:53 a
0:53:53 plane
0:53:53 or
0:53:53 a
0:53:54 ship
0:53:55 and
0:53:55 it
0:53:55 would
0:53:55 take
0:53:56 somewhere
0:53:56 in
0:53:56 the
0:53:56 neighborhood
0:53:57 of
0:53:57 about
0:53:57 a
0:53:57 year
0:53:57 and a
0:54:02 fixed
0:54:02 to
0:54:02 the
0:54:03 missile
0:54:03 so
0:54:03 the
0:54:04 three
0:54:04 legs
0:54:04 of
0:54:04 the
0:54:04 nuclear
0:54:05 stool
0:54:05 right
0:54:05 the
0:54:07 weapons
0:54:07 grade
0:54:07 uranium
0:54:08 the
0:54:09 missiles
0:54:09 to
0:54:10 deliver
0:54:10 it
0:54:11 and
0:54:12 the
0:54:12 and
0:54:13 the
0:54:13 warhead
0:54:13 so
0:54:13 I
0:54:13 just
0:54:14 want
0:54:14 to
0:54:14 sort
0:54:14 of
0:54:14 define
0:54:15 terms
0:54:15 so
0:54:15 that
0:54:15 when
0:54:15 we’re
0:54:16 having
0:54:16 this
0:54:16 big
0:54:16 debate
0:54:17 your
0:54:17 listeners
0:54:18 kind
0:54:18 of
0:54:18 understand
0:54:19 what
0:54:19 we’re
0:54:19 talking
0:54:19 about
0:54:19 if
0:54:19 I
0:54:20 can
0:54:20 jump
0:54:20 in
0:54:20 here
0:54:20 on
0:54:20 this
0:54:21 point
0:54:21 too
0:54:21 and
0:54:21 I’ll
0:54:21 turn
0:54:21 it
0:54:21 back
0:54:21 over
0:54:22 to
0:54:22 you
0:54:22 but
0:54:45 a
0:54:46 I
0:54:46 only
0:54:46 just
0:54:46 found
0:54:47 out
0:54:47 that
0:54:47 he
0:54:47 died
0:54:47 two
0:54:48 years
0:54:48 ago
0:54:49 unfortunately
0:54:49 he used
0:54:49 to
0:54:49 write
0:54:50 for
0:54:50 us
0:54:50 at
0:54:50 anti
0:54:50 war
0:54:51 commons
0:54:51 a
0:54:51 brilliant
0:54:52 nuclear
0:54:52 physicist
0:54:53 and
0:54:53 h-bomb
0:54:54 developer
0:54:55 and he
0:54:55 really
0:54:56 taught me
0:54:56 all about
0:54:56 this
0:54:57 stuff
0:54:57 and
0:54:59 so
0:55:00 I’m
0:55:00 not
0:55:00 correcting
0:55:01 anything
0:55:01 you said
0:55:02 what he
0:55:02 said
0:55:02 essentially
0:55:02 is
0:55:03 right
0:55:03 maybe
0:55:03 add a
0:55:03 little
0:55:04 more
0:55:04 detail
0:55:05 the
0:55:05 easiest
0:55:06 kind
0:55:06 of
0:55:06 nuke
0:55:06 to
0:55:06 make
0:55:06 out
0:55:07 of
0:55:07 uranium
0:55:07 is
0:55:07 a
0:55:07 simple
0:55:08 gun
0:55:08 type
0:55:08 nuke
0:55:09 like
0:55:09 they
0:55:09 dropped
0:55:09 on
0:55:10 Hiroshima
0:55:10 as
0:55:10 little
0:55:11 boy
0:55:11 it’s
0:55:11 essentially
0:55:11 a
0:55:12 shotgun
0:55:13 firing
0:55:14 a
0:55:14 uranium
0:55:15 slug
0:55:15 into
0:55:15 a
0:55:16 uranium
0:55:16 target
0:55:17 and
0:55:17 that’s
0:55:17 enough
0:55:17 they
0:55:17 didn’t
0:55:17 even
0:55:18 test
0:55:18 it
0:55:18 they
0:55:18 knew
0:55:18 it
0:55:19 worked
0:55:19 so
0:55:20 easy
0:55:20 to
0:55:20 do
0:55:20 to
0:55:21 do
0:55:21 the
0:55:21 Hiroshima
0:55:21 bomb
0:55:22 the
0:55:22 Nagasaki
0:55:23 bomb
0:55:23 was
0:55:24 plutonium
0:55:24 implosion
0:55:25 bomb
0:55:25 it’s
0:55:26 virtually
0:55:26 always
0:55:27 plutonium
0:55:27 that’s
0:55:28 used
0:55:28 in
0:55:29 implosion
0:55:29 bombs
0:55:31 and
0:55:33 in
0:55:34 miniaturized
0:55:34 nuclear
0:55:34 warheads
0:55:35 that can
0:55:35 be
0:55:35 married
0:55:36 to
0:55:36 missiles
0:55:37 as opposed
0:55:38 to a
0:55:38 bomb
0:55:38 you can
0:55:38 drop out
0:55:39 of the
0:55:39 belly
0:55:39 of a
0:55:39 plane
0:55:40 so
0:55:41 gun
0:55:41 type
0:55:41 nuke
0:55:42 you
0:55:42 can’t
0:55:42 put
0:55:42 that
0:55:42 on
0:55:43 a
0:55:43 missile
0:55:44 that
0:55:44 is
0:55:44 by far
0:55:44 the
0:55:45 easiest
0:55:45 kind
0:55:45 of
0:55:46 nuclear
0:55:46 weapon
0:55:46 for
0:55:47 Iran
0:55:47 to
0:55:47 make
0:55:47 if
0:55:47 they
0:55:48 broke
0:55:48 out
0:55:48 and
0:55:48 made
0:55:49 one
0:55:49 right
0:55:50 but
0:55:50 it
0:55:50 would
0:55:50 be
0:55:51 useless
0:55:51 to
0:55:51 them
0:55:52 drive
0:55:52 it
0:55:52 to
0:55:53 Israel
0:55:53 in
0:55:53 a
0:55:53 flatbed
0:55:53 truck
0:55:54 they
0:55:55 got
0:55:55 no
0:55:55 way
0:55:55 to
0:55:56 deliver
0:55:56 that
0:55:56 they
0:55:56 could
0:55:58 test
0:55:58 it
0:55:58 in
0:55:58 the
0:55:59 desert
0:55:59 and
0:55:59 beat
0:55:59 their
0:55:59 chest
0:56:00 but
0:56:00 essentially
0:56:00 that’s
0:56:01 all
0:56:01 they
0:56:01 do
0:56:02 like
0:56:02 we
0:56:03 did
0:56:03 as
0:56:03 Scott
0:56:04 said
0:56:04 with
0:56:05 Hiroshima
0:56:06 Nagasaki
0:56:08 very
0:56:08 slim
0:56:08 chance
0:56:09 of
0:56:09 Iranian
0:56:09 heavy
0:56:10 bombers
0:56:10 getting
0:56:10 through
0:56:11 Israeli
0:56:11 airspace
0:56:12 but
0:56:12 anyway
0:56:13 to
0:56:14 make
0:56:14 an
0:56:14 implosion
0:56:15 bomb
0:56:15 they
0:56:16 would
0:56:16 have
0:56:17 to
0:56:17 do
0:56:18 years
0:56:18 worth
0:56:18 of
0:56:18 experiments
0:56:18 unless
0:56:19 the
0:56:19 Chinese
0:56:19 or the
0:56:19 Russians
0:56:20 gave
0:56:20 them
0:56:20 the
0:56:21 software
0:56:21 or
0:56:21 gave
0:56:22 them
0:56:22 the
0:56:22 finished
0:56:22 blueprints
0:56:23 or
0:56:23 something
0:56:23 which
0:56:23 is
0:56:23 no
0:56:24 indication
0:56:24 of
0:56:24 that
0:56:24 whatsoever
0:56:25 the
0:56:25 only
0:56:25 people
0:56:25 gave
0:56:25 them
0:56:26 blueprints
0:56:26 for a
0:56:26 nuclear
0:56:26 bomb
0:56:27 was
0:56:32 blueprints
0:56:32 but
0:56:33 the
0:56:33 Iranians
0:56:34 didn’t
0:56:34 take
0:56:34 the
0:56:34 bait
0:56:34 the
0:56:35 blueprints
0:56:35 were
0:56:35 given
0:56:36 just
0:56:36 to
0:56:36 clarify
0:56:36 it’s
0:56:37 just
0:56:37 interesting
0:56:37 just
0:56:37 in
0:56:38 terms
0:56:38 of
0:56:38 the
0:56:38 history
0:56:38 of
0:56:39 proliferation
0:56:41 so
0:56:42 Iran’s
0:56:42 initial
0:56:43 nuclear
0:56:44 program
0:56:44 which
0:56:44 is
0:56:45 built
0:56:45 on
0:56:46 centrifuges
0:56:46 as
0:56:46 Scott
0:56:46 and
0:56:46 I
0:56:46 have
0:56:47 been
0:56:47 talking
0:56:47 about
0:56:48 that
0:56:48 was
0:56:48 actually
0:56:49 given
0:56:49 to
0:56:49 the
0:56:50 designs
0:56:50 of
0:56:50 that
0:56:50 were
0:56:50 given
0:56:50 to
0:56:51 them
0:56:51 by
0:56:51 Akhu
0:56:51 Khan
0:56:52 who
0:56:52 was
0:56:52 really
0:56:52 the
0:56:53 father
0:56:53 of
0:56:53 the
0:56:54 Pakistani
0:56:54 nuclear
0:56:55 program
0:56:56 and
0:56:56 he
0:56:56 actually
0:56:56 stole
0:56:57 those
0:56:57 designs
0:56:58 from
0:56:58 the
0:56:58 Dutch
0:56:59 and
0:56:59 handed
0:56:59 it
0:57:00 to
0:57:00 the
0:57:01 Iranians
0:57:01 he
0:57:01 also
0:57:02 handed
0:57:02 it
0:57:02 to
0:57:02 the
0:57:02 North
0:57:03 Koreans
0:57:03 and
0:57:03 the
0:57:04 Libyans
0:57:04 and
0:57:04 others
0:57:04 so
0:57:05 they
0:57:05 were
0:57:05 able
0:57:06 to
0:57:07 illicitly
0:57:07 acquire
0:57:08 this
0:57:08 technology
0:57:09 or at least
0:57:09 the
0:57:09 blueprints
0:57:10 for this
0:57:10 technology
0:57:10 from
0:57:10 the
0:57:11 father
0:57:11 of
0:57:11 the
0:57:11 Pakistani
0:57:12 bomb
0:57:12 so
0:57:12 I
0:57:13 think
0:57:13 that’s
0:57:13 an
0:57:13 interesting
0:57:14 point
0:57:14 but
0:57:14 if
0:57:14 you
0:57:15 don’t
0:57:15 mind
0:57:15 as
0:57:15 I
0:57:16 said
0:57:16 earlier
0:57:16 because
0:57:16 Bill
0:57:17 Clinton
0:57:18 clamped
0:57:18 down
0:57:18 on
0:57:18 the
0:57:18 Chinese
0:57:19 and
0:57:19 wouldn’t
0:57:19 let
0:57:19 them
0:57:19 sell
0:57:21 light
0:57:22 water
0:57:22 reactors
0:57:23 so
0:57:23 then
0:57:23 they
0:57:23 went
0:57:23 to
0:57:24 AQ
0:57:24 Con
0:57:24 and
0:57:24 bought
0:57:24 the
0:57:25 stuff
0:57:25 on
0:57:25 the
0:57:25 black
0:57:25 market
0:57:26 and
0:57:26 they
0:57:26 bought
0:57:27 heavy
0:57:27 water
0:57:27 reactors
0:57:27 from
0:57:28 the
0:57:28 Russians
0:57:28 which
0:57:28 they’ve
0:57:28 been
0:57:29 using
0:57:29 for
0:57:30 electricity
0:57:31 I
0:57:31 want
0:57:32 to
0:57:32 get
0:57:32 to
0:57:32 the
0:57:33 second
0:57:33 thing
0:57:33 I
0:57:33 think
0:57:33 it’s
0:57:34 important
0:57:34 for
0:57:34 listeners
0:57:35 to
0:57:35 know
0:57:35 and
0:57:35 then
0:57:35 I
0:57:37 was
0:57:37 in
0:57:37 the
0:57:37 middle
0:57:37 of
0:57:37 saying
0:57:38 though
0:57:38 when
0:57:38 you’re
0:57:38 trying
0:57:38 to
0:57:39 make
0:57:39 a
0:57:39 uranium
0:57:40 implosion
0:57:40 bomb
0:57:40 or
0:57:41 a
0:57:41 plutonium
0:57:41 implosion
0:57:42 bomb
0:57:42 it’s
0:57:42 a
0:57:43 much
0:57:43 more
0:57:43 difficult
0:57:44 task
0:57:44 than
0:57:44 putting
0:57:45 together
0:57:45 a
0:57:45 gun
0:57:45 type
0:57:46 nuke
0:57:46 takes
0:57:46 an
0:57:47 extraordinary
0:57:47 amount
0:57:47 of
0:57:47 testing
0:57:48 and
0:57:48 that’s
0:57:48 why
0:57:48 he
0:57:49 repeated
0:57:49 probably
0:57:50 unknowingly
0:57:51 some
0:57:51 false
0:57:52 propaganda
0:57:52 about
0:57:53 Iran
0:57:53 having
0:57:54 this
0:57:54 advanced
0:57:55 testing
0:57:55 facility
0:57:55 I
0:57:56 think
0:57:56 he
0:57:56 was
0:57:56 implying
0:57:57 correct me
0:57:57 if I’m
0:57:57 wrong
0:57:57 he
0:57:58 was
0:57:58 I’m
0:57:58 pretty
0:57:58 sure
0:57:58 you’re
0:57:59 implying
0:57:59 at
0:57:59 Parchin
0:58:00 that
0:58:00 they
0:58:00 were
0:58:00 testing
0:58:00 these
0:58:01 implosion
0:58:01 systems
0:58:02 but
0:58:02 that’s
0:58:02 completely
0:58:03 debunked
0:58:03 it’s
0:58:03 completely
0:58:04 false
0:58:04 but
0:58:04 they
0:58:04 were
0:58:04 testing
0:58:05 what
0:58:05 they’re
0:58:05 doing
0:58:05 at
0:58:06 Parchin
0:58:06 with
0:58:06 that
0:58:06 implosion
0:58:07 chamber
0:58:08 was
0:58:08 making
0:58:09 nanodiamonds
0:58:10 and the
0:58:10 scientist
0:58:11 in charge
0:58:11 of it
0:58:11 was
0:58:12 Ukrainian
0:58:12 who
0:58:12 had
0:58:13 studied
0:58:13 in
0:58:13 the
0:58:13 Soviet
0:58:14 Union
0:58:14 at
0:58:15 this
0:58:15 military
0:58:16 university
0:58:16 where
0:58:16 they
0:58:16 said
0:58:16 oh
0:58:17 see
0:58:17 they
0:58:17 study
0:58:17 nuclear
0:58:18 stuff
0:58:18 there
0:58:18 but
0:58:18 that
0:58:19 wasn’t
0:58:19 his
0:58:19 speciality
0:58:20 his
0:58:20 name
0:58:20 was
0:58:20 Dan
0:58:20 Elenko
0:58:21 and
0:58:21 he
0:58:21 was
0:58:21 a
0:58:22 specialist
0:58:22 in
0:58:22 making
0:58:23 nanodiamonds
0:58:24 and
0:58:24 that
0:58:25 facility
0:58:26 was
0:58:26 vouched
0:58:26 by
0:58:27 Robert
0:58:27 Kelly
0:58:28 in
0:58:28 the
0:58:28 Christian
0:58:29 Science
0:58:29 Monitor
0:58:29 told
0:58:30 Scott
0:58:30 Peterson
0:58:31 of
0:58:31 the
0:58:31 Christian
0:58:31 Science
0:58:32 Monitor
0:58:32 that
0:58:32 that
0:58:33 stuff
0:58:33 was
0:58:33 nonsense
0:58:33 that
0:58:34 that
0:58:34 facility
0:58:35 that
0:58:35 implosion
0:58:36 chamber
0:58:36 could not
0:58:37 be used
0:58:37 for
0:58:38 testing
0:58:39 an
0:58:40 implosion
0:58:40 system
0:58:40 for
0:58:41 nuclear
0:58:41 weapons
0:58:41 and
0:58:41 I
0:58:41 know
0:58:41 from
0:58:42 Dr.
0:58:42 Prather
0:58:42 telling
0:58:43 me
0:58:43 that
0:58:43 when
0:58:44 the
0:58:44 Americans
0:58:45 were
0:58:45 doing
0:58:45 this
0:58:45 and
0:58:46 the
0:58:46 Russians
0:58:46 too
0:58:47 that
0:58:47 they
0:58:47 test
0:58:51 with
0:58:52 lead
0:58:52 instead
0:58:52 of
0:58:53 uranium
0:58:53 in
0:58:53 the
0:58:53 core
0:58:53 and
0:58:54 then
0:58:54 you
0:58:54 take
0:58:54 all
0:58:55 this
0:58:55 high
0:58:55 speed
0:58:55 x-ray
0:58:56 film
0:58:56 of
0:58:56 the
0:58:56 thing
0:58:57 and
0:58:57 it’s
0:58:57 this
0:58:57 huge
0:58:57 and
0:58:58 drawn
0:58:58 out
0:58:58 and
0:58:59 incredibly
0:59:00 complicated
0:59:00 engineering
0:59:01 process
0:59:01 and
0:59:01 this
0:59:01 is
0:59:02 probably
0:59:02 why
0:59:03 the
0:59:03 week
0:59:03 before
0:59:03 the
0:59:04 war
0:59:04 the
0:59:05 CIA
0:59:05 said
0:59:06 not only
0:59:06 do
0:59:06 we
0:59:06 think
0:59:06 they’re
0:59:06 a
0:59:07 year
0:59:07 away
0:59:07 from
0:59:07 having
0:59:08 enough
0:59:08 nuclear
0:59:09 material
0:59:09 to
0:59:09 make
0:59:09 one
0:59:09 bomb
0:59:10 we
0:59:10 think
0:59:10 they’re
0:59:10 three
0:59:11 years
0:59:11 away
0:59:11 from
0:59:12 having
0:59:12 a
0:59:12 finished
0:59:13 warhead
0:59:13 that
0:59:14 must
0:59:14 have
0:59:14 been
0:59:14 assuming
0:59:15 that
0:59:15 they
0:59:15 would
0:59:15 try
0:59:15 to
0:59:15 make
0:59:15 an
0:59:16 implosion
0:59:16 system
0:59:16 that
0:59:17 you
0:59:17 could
0:59:17 put
0:59:17 on
0:59:18 in
0:59:18 other
0:59:18 words
0:59:19 miniaturize
0:59:19 and
0:59:19 put
0:59:20 on
0:59:20 a
0:59:20 missile
0:59:20 as
0:59:21 opposed
0:59:22 in
0:59:22 other
0:59:22 words
0:59:22 skipping
0:59:23 a
0:59:23 gun
0:59:23 type
0:59:23 nuke
0:59:24 that
0:59:24 would
0:59:24 be
0:59:24 useless
0:59:25 to
0:59:25 them
0:59:25 so
0:59:26 it’s
0:59:26 very
0:59:27 important
0:59:27 to
0:59:27 understand
0:59:28 then
0:59:28 that
0:59:29 if
0:59:29 if
0:59:29 they
0:59:30 have
0:59:30 a
0:59:30 uranium
0:59:30 route
0:59:31 to
0:59:31 the
0:59:31 bomb
0:59:31 if
0:59:32 they
0:59:32 withdraw
0:59:32 from
0:59:32 the
0:59:33 treaty
0:59:42 useless
0:59:42 to
0:59:42 them
0:59:43 or
0:59:43 they
0:59:43 can
0:59:44 take
0:59:44 their
0:59:45 ponderous
0:59:46 ass
0:59:46 time
0:59:46 trying
0:59:47 to
0:59:47 figure
0:59:47 out
0:59:48 how
0:59:48 to
0:59:48 make
0:59:48 an
0:59:48 implosion
0:59:49 system
0:59:49 work
0:59:50 first
0:59:50 of
0:59:50 I’m
0:59:50 glad
0:59:50 Scott
0:59:51 knows
0:59:51 about
0:59:51 what’s
0:59:51 going
0:59:52 on
0:59:52 at
0:59:52 Parchin
0:59:52 because
0:59:52 the
0:59:53 IAEA
0:59:53 doesn’t
0:59:53 and
0:59:54 they’ve
0:59:54 been
0:59:54 asking
0:59:54 the
0:59:55 Iranians
0:59:55 that’s
0:59:55 not
0:59:56 true
0:59:56 the
0:59:56 Iranians
0:59:56 told
0:59:57 the
0:59:57 IAEA
0:59:58 you can
0:59:58 inspect
0:59:58 any
0:59:59 five
0:59:59 out
0:59:59 of
0:59:59 ten
1:00:00 facilities
1:00:00 here
1:00:01 carte
1:00:01 blanche
1:00:02 go ahead
1:00:02 and they
1:00:02 did
1:00:13 so
1:00:13 I
1:00:14 want
1:00:14 to
1:00:14 just
1:00:14 again
1:00:15 just
1:00:15 put
1:00:15 it
1:00:15 out
1:00:15 there
1:00:15 for
1:00:16 your
1:00:16 listeners
1:00:16 they
1:00:16 should
1:00:17 just
1:00:17 google
1:00:18 Ahmad
1:00:19 program
1:00:20 and
1:00:20 they
1:00:20 should
1:00:21 learn
1:00:21 about
1:00:21 the
1:00:21 Ahmad
1:00:22 program
1:00:22 because
1:00:22 it’s
1:00:23 detailed
1:00:24 in
1:00:25 US
1:00:25 government
1:00:26 documents
1:00:27 experts
1:00:27 in
1:00:28 Iran’s
1:00:28 nuclear
1:00:28 program
1:00:29 including
1:00:29 David
1:00:29 Albright
1:00:29 who
1:00:30 actually
1:00:30 saw
1:00:31 the
1:00:31 archive
1:00:31 went
1:00:31 in
1:00:31 there
1:00:32 wrote
1:00:32 a
1:00:32 whole
1:00:32 book
1:00:32 on
1:00:32 it
1:00:33 and
1:00:33 there’s
1:00:33 a
1:00:33 lot
1:00:34 of
1:00:34 detail
1:00:34 about
1:00:34 how
1:00:35 Iran
1:00:35 had
1:00:35 an
1:00:36 active
1:00:36 nuclear
1:00:37 weapons
1:00:37 program
1:00:42 POA
1:00:42 because
1:00:43 I
1:00:43 actually
1:00:43 think
1:00:43 it’s
1:00:43 an
1:00:44 interesting
1:00:44 discussion
1:00:45 for
1:00:45 Scott
1:00:45 and
1:00:45 I
1:00:46 to
1:00:46 have
1:00:47 because
1:00:47 I
1:00:47 think
1:00:47 there’s
1:00:47 things
1:00:48 that
1:00:48 we
1:00:48 agree
1:00:48 on
1:00:48 there
1:00:49 and
1:00:49 things
1:00:49 that
1:00:49 we
1:00:49 disagree
1:00:50 on
1:00:50 right
1:00:50 so
1:00:50 this
1:00:50 is
1:00:51 a
1:00:51 2015
1:00:52 nuclear
1:00:52 deal
1:00:52 that
1:00:53 Obama
1:00:53 reaches
1:00:54 it’s
1:00:55 negotiated
1:00:55 painstakingly
1:00:56 over
1:00:56 two
1:00:56 years
1:00:56 between
1:00:57 2013
1:00:57 and
1:00:58 2015
1:00:59 and
1:00:59 it
1:00:59 follows
1:00:59 the
1:00:59 interim
1:01:00 agreement
1:01:01 that
1:01:01 the
1:01:01 United
1:01:01 States
1:01:02 negotiated
1:01:02 with
1:01:02 Iran
1:01:03 and
1:01:03 it’s
1:01:04 in
1:01:04 that
1:01:04 interim
1:01:05 agreement
1:01:05 in
1:01:05 2013
1:01:06 where
1:01:06 the
1:01:06 United
1:01:06 States
1:01:06 for the
1:01:07 first
1:01:07 time
1:01:08 actually
1:01:09 gives
1:01:09 Iran
1:01:09 the
1:01:10 right
1:01:10 to
1:01:11 enrich
1:01:11 uranium
1:01:11 there
1:01:12 were
1:01:12 five
1:01:12 UN
1:01:13 Security
1:01:13 Council
1:01:13 resolutions
1:01:14 passed
1:01:14 with
1:01:14 the
1:01:14 support
1:01:14 of
1:01:15 Russia
1:01:15 and
1:01:15 China
1:01:16 that
1:01:16 said
1:01:16 Iran
1:01:16 should
1:01:16 have
1:01:17 no
1:01:17 enrichment
1:01:18 capability
1:01:18 and
1:01:18 no
1:01:19 plutonium
1:01:20 reprocessing
1:01:20 capability
1:01:20 because
1:01:21 of the
1:01:21 fears
1:01:22 that
1:01:22 Iran
1:01:22 would
1:01:22 turn
1:01:22 that
1:01:23 into
1:01:23 a
1:01:23 nuclear
1:01:24 weapons
1:01:24 program
1:01:24 but
1:01:25 in
1:01:25 2013
1:01:25 they
1:01:25 give
1:01:26 that
1:01:26 up
1:01:27 2015
1:01:27 we
1:01:27 reach
1:01:28 the
1:01:28 JCPOA
1:01:29 and
1:01:29 under
1:01:29 the
1:01:30 JCPOA
1:01:30 Iran
1:01:30 is
1:01:31 allowed
1:01:31 to
1:01:31 retain
1:01:32 enrichment
1:01:32 capability
1:01:33 and
1:01:34 reprocessing
1:01:34 capability
1:01:35 but
1:01:35 over
1:01:36 time
1:01:36 so
1:01:36 Scott
1:01:36 mentioned
1:01:37 these
1:01:37 sunsets
1:01:37 and
1:01:38 just
1:01:38 want
1:01:38 your
1:01:38 listeners
1:01:39 to
1:01:39 understand
1:01:39 what
1:01:39 the
1:01:40 sunsets
1:01:40 are
1:01:41 essentially
1:01:41 the
1:01:41 restrictions
1:01:42 that are
1:01:42 placed
1:01:42 on
1:01:43 Iran’s
1:01:43 nuclear
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1:14:46 the
1:14:46 United
1:14:47 States
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1:14:47 the
1:14:48 Khobar
1:14:48 Towers
1:14:48 attack
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1:14:49 bin Laden
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1:14:53 Bari
1:14:53 Atwan
1:14:54 the
1:14:55 reporter
1:14:55 from
1:14:56 Al-Quds
1:14:56 Al-Arabi
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1:14:57 London
1:14:58 and
1:14:58 spent
1:14:59 days
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1:15:08 Hezbollah
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1:15:09 Towers
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1:15:14 great
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1:15:15 O’Neill
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1:15:32 Free
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1:15:34 listen
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1:16:06 Shoyer
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1:16:06 chief
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1:16:07 CIA
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1:16:12 the
1:16:12 Iranians
1:16:13 got
1:16:13 straight up
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1:16:25 content
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1:16:27 interruptions
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1:16:29 I’m
1:16:29 loving
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1:16:30 back
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1:16:30 forth
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1:16:30 great
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1:16:32 a
1:16:32 little
1:16:32 less
1:16:33 talking
1:16:33 over
1:16:33 each
1:16:33 other
1:16:33 that’s
1:16:33 all
1:16:34 yeah
1:16:34 so
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1:16:36 sort
1:16:36 of
1:16:36 view
1:16:36 of
1:16:36 the
1:16:37 regime
1:16:37 in
1:16:37 Iran
1:16:37 and
1:16:38 I
1:16:38 think
1:16:38 Scott
1:16:38 wisely
1:16:39 said
1:16:39 at
1:16:39 the
1:16:39 beginning
1:16:40 of
1:16:40 this
1:16:40 discussion
1:16:41 like
1:16:41 what
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1:16:42 you
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1:16:42 have
1:16:43 any
1:16:44 love
1:16:44 for
1:16:44 the
1:16:44 Ayatollah
1:16:45 I’m
1:16:45 a
1:16:45 Texan
1:16:45 I
1:16:45 don’t
1:16:46 have
1:16:46 any
1:16:46 love
1:16:46 for
1:16:46 the
1:16:46 Ayatollah
1:16:47 in
1:16:47 Iran
1:16:48 and
1:16:48 yet
1:16:48 despite
1:16:48 the
1:16:49 fact
1:16:49 Scott
1:16:49 doesn’t
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1:16:50 love
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1:16:50 Ayatollah
1:16:50 and
1:16:51 I
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1:16:53 I
1:16:53 think
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1:16:54 being
1:16:54 sincere
1:16:55 in
1:16:56 every
1:16:56 discussion
1:16:56 that
1:16:57 we’ve
1:16:57 had
1:16:57 on
1:16:57 every
1:16:58 topic
1:16:58 it’s
1:16:58 always
1:16:59 about
1:16:59 everyone’s
1:17:00 lying
1:17:00 except
1:17:00 the
1:17:01 Ayatollah
1:17:01 in
1:17:01 Iran
1:17:01 he’s
1:17:02 not
1:17:02 lying
1:17:02 about
1:17:02 having
1:17:02 a
1:17:03 nuclear
1:17:03 weapons
1:17:03 program
1:17:05 he
1:17:05 didn’t
1:17:05 actually
1:17:06 support
1:17:06 all of
1:17:06 these
1:17:07 terrorist
1:17:07 organizations
1:17:08 that
1:17:08 he
1:17:08 founded
1:17:09 financed
1:17:09 and
1:17:10 supported
1:17:10 to
1:17:10 kill
1:17:10 Americans
1:17:11 that
1:17:11 it
1:17:11 wasn’t
1:17:12 the
1:17:12 Ayatollah
1:17:12 in
1:17:12 Iran
1:17:13 he’s
1:17:14 he’s
1:17:14 not
1:17:15 lying
1:17:15 about
1:17:16 his
1:17:18 deception
1:17:18 campaign
1:17:19 against
1:17:19 the
1:17:19 United
1:17:20 States
1:17:21 he’s
1:17:21 not
1:17:21 lying
1:17:22 about
1:17:23 negotiations
1:17:24 with
1:17:24 the
1:17:24 Americans
1:17:24 it’s
1:17:25 Americans
1:17:25 fault
1:17:26 all
1:17:26 the
1:17:26 time
1:17:27 so
1:17:27 he
1:17:27 he’s
1:17:27 presented
1:17:28 all
1:17:29 the
1:17:29 time
1:17:29 in
1:17:29 Scott’s
1:17:30 conception
1:17:30 here
1:17:31 as
1:17:31 a
1:17:31 sincere
1:17:32 actor
1:17:32 who
1:17:33 doesn’t
1:17:33 want
1:17:33 to
1:17:33 develop
1:17:33 nuclear
1:17:34 weapons
1:17:35 who
1:17:35 doesn’t
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1:17:36 want
1:17:38 he’s
1:17:38 just
1:17:38 always
1:17:38 a
1:17:39 victim
1:17:39 of
1:17:40 American
1:17:40 and
1:17:40 Israeli
1:17:41 aggression
1:17:41 I
1:17:41 think
1:17:41 it’s
1:17:41 an
1:17:42 interesting
1:17:42 conception
1:17:42 I think
1:17:43 let’s
1:17:43 talk
1:17:43 about
1:17:43 it
1:17:44 and
1:17:44 I
1:17:44 mean
1:17:45 I’m
1:17:45 fascinated
1:17:46 by the
1:17:46 conception
1:17:46 because
1:17:48 it’s
1:17:48 very
1:17:48 contrary
1:17:49 to
1:17:49 mine
1:17:50 obviously
1:17:50 it’s
1:17:50 very
1:17:51 contrary
1:17:51 to
1:17:51 I
1:17:51 think
1:17:52 decades
1:17:53 of
1:17:53 overwhelming
1:17:54 evidence
1:17:54 that the
1:17:55 Islamic
1:17:55 Republic
1:17:55 has
1:17:55 been
1:17:56 war
1:17:56 with
1:17:56 the
1:17:56 United
1:17:56 States
1:17:56 since
1:17:57 1979
1:17:58 and
1:17:58 you
1:17:58 know
1:17:59 I
1:17:59 don’t
1:18:00 take
1:18:00 too
1:18:00 much
1:18:00 stock
1:18:01 in
1:18:01 what
1:18:01 people
1:18:01 say
1:18:07 it
1:18:07 could
1:18:08 be
1:18:08 just
1:18:08 propaganda
1:18:09 but
1:18:09 when
1:18:09 it’s
1:18:09 actually
1:18:11 operationalized
1:18:12 then
1:18:12 you
1:18:12 start
1:18:12 to
1:18:13 ask
1:18:13 well
1:18:13 maybe
1:18:13 it’s
1:18:13 not
1:18:14 just
1:18:15 propaganda
1:18:15 maybe
1:18:16 it’s
1:18:16 intention
1:18:18 operationalized
1:18:18 into
1:18:19 capabilities
1:18:19 you know
1:18:20 what we’re
1:18:20 forgetting
1:18:21 here
1:18:21 and again
1:18:21 it’s
1:18:22 this
1:18:22 causal
1:18:23 relationship
1:18:23 it’s
1:18:23 we
1:18:24 aggress
1:18:24 against
1:18:25 Iran
1:18:25 and
1:18:25 the
1:18:25 Israelis
1:18:26 aggress
1:18:26 against
1:18:27 Iran
1:18:27 and
1:18:27 Iran
1:18:27 is
1:18:28 always
1:18:28 reacting
1:18:29 let’s
1:18:29 give
1:18:30 the
1:18:30 Iranians
1:18:30 their
1:18:31 due
1:18:31 because
1:18:32 Khomeini
1:18:32 made it
1:18:32 very
1:18:33 clear
1:18:33 when
1:18:33 he
1:18:33 established
1:18:34 the
1:18:34 Islamic
1:18:34 Republic
1:18:35 that
1:18:35 there
1:18:35 will
1:18:35 be
1:18:36 a
1:18:36 revolutionary
1:18:37 and
1:18:38 expansionist
1:18:39 regime
1:18:39 and
1:18:39 they
1:18:40 will
1:18:40 expand
1:18:40 their
1:18:41 power
1:18:41 through
1:18:41 the
1:18:41 Middle
1:18:42 East
1:18:42 and
1:18:42 so
1:18:42 he
1:18:42 built
1:18:43 and
1:18:43 to
1:18:43 his
1:18:44 credit
1:18:44 was
1:18:44 very
1:18:45 successful
1:18:45 until
1:18:45 October
1:18:46 7th
1:18:46 this
1:18:47 axis
1:18:47 of
1:18:47 resistance
1:18:48 as
1:18:48 he
1:18:48 calls
1:18:48 it
1:18:49 which
1:18:49 are
1:18:49 these
1:18:49 terror
1:18:50 proxy
1:18:50 armies
1:18:51 Hezbollah
1:18:52 Hamas
1:18:52 Palestinian
1:18:52 Islamic
1:18:53 Jihad
1:18:53 the
1:18:54 Iraqi
1:18:54 Shiite
1:18:55 militias
1:18:55 the
1:18:55 Houthis
1:18:56 in
1:18:56 Yemen
1:18:57 and
1:18:58 certainly
1:18:58 supporting
1:18:58 the
1:18:59 Assad
1:18:59 regime
1:18:59 in
1:18:59 Syria
1:19:00 he
1:19:00 built
1:19:00 a
1:19:01 very
1:19:03 impressive
1:19:03 and
1:19:03 deadly
1:19:04 axis
1:19:04 that
1:19:05 he
1:19:05 turned
1:19:05 against
1:19:05 the
1:19:06 United
1:19:06 States
1:19:06 and
1:19:06 against
1:19:07 Israel
1:19:07 which
1:19:08 saw
1:19:08 its
1:19:08 culmination
1:19:08 on
1:19:09 October
1:19:09 7th
1:19:09 I
1:19:09 think
1:19:10 after
1:19:10 October
1:19:11 7th
1:19:11 that
1:19:12 was
1:19:12 a
1:19:12 huge
1:19:13 miscalculation
1:19:13 for
1:19:14 Khamenei
1:19:14 and we
1:19:14 seen
1:19:14 the
1:19:15 results
1:19:15 of
1:19:15 what’s
1:19:15 happened
1:19:15 to
1:19:16 his
1:19:16 axis
1:19:16 of
1:19:17 resistance
1:19:17 through
1:19:18 quite
1:19:18 devastating
1:19:19 Israeli
1:19:20 military
1:19:20 capabilities
1:19:21 over
1:19:21 the
1:19:21 past
1:19:22 number
1:19:22 of
1:19:22 months
1:19:23 but
1:19:23 he
1:19:23 has
1:19:24 an
1:19:24 ideology
1:19:24 and
1:19:25 I
1:19:25 think
1:19:25 where
1:19:25 I
1:19:26 agree
1:19:26 with
1:19:26 Scott
1:19:27 is
1:19:27 I’m
1:19:28 not
1:19:28 sure
1:19:28 if
1:19:29 Khamenei
1:19:29 would
1:19:29 actually
1:19:29 use
1:19:29 a
1:19:30 nuclear
1:19:30 weapon
1:19:30 against
1:19:31 Israel
1:19:31 the
1:19:31 United
1:19:32 States
1:19:32 because
1:19:32 I
1:19:32 don’t
1:19:32 think
1:19:33 Khamenei
1:19:33 is
1:19:34 suicidal
1:19:35 but
1:19:35 I
1:19:35 think
1:19:35 what
1:19:35 Khamenei
1:19:36 wants
1:19:36 is
1:19:37 a
1:19:37 nuclear
1:19:38 weapon
1:19:39 as
1:19:39 a
1:19:39 backstop
1:19:40 for
1:19:40 his
1:19:40 conventional
1:19:41 power
1:19:42 right
1:19:42 it’s
1:19:42 very
1:19:43 much
1:19:43 the
1:19:44 Kim
1:19:49 what
1:19:49 I’m
1:19:49 actually
1:19:49 going
1:19:49 to
1:19:50 do
1:19:50 is
1:19:50 threaten
1:19:50 South
1:19:51 Korea
1:19:51 with
1:19:52 having
1:19:52 massive
1:19:53 conventional
1:19:53 capabilities
1:19:53 on
1:19:54 the
1:19:54 DMZ
1:19:54 that
1:19:54 I
1:19:55 could
1:19:55 take
1:19:55 South
1:19:55 Korea
1:19:55 in
1:19:56 a
1:19:56 week
1:19:57 so
1:19:57 you
1:19:57 the
1:19:58 United
1:19:58 States
1:19:58 and
1:19:58 South
1:19:59 Korea
1:19:59 have
1:19:59 no
1:20:00 military
1:20:00 option
1:20:00 that’s
1:20:01 Khamenei’s
1:20:01 view
1:20:01 he
1:20:02 can
1:20:02 actually
1:20:03 building up
1:20:03 this
1:20:04 massive
1:20:04 ballistic
1:20:05 missile
1:20:05 arsenal
1:20:06 that
1:20:06 he’s
1:20:06 unleashed
1:20:06 in the
1:20:07 past
1:20:07 12
1:20:08 days
1:20:08 that
1:20:09 according
1:20:09 to
1:20:10 again
1:20:10 the
1:20:10 US
1:20:11 and
1:20:11 Israel
1:20:11 was
1:20:12 going
1:20:12 to
1:20:12 go
1:20:12 from
1:20:13 2,000
1:20:13 to
1:20:14 6,000
1:20:14 to
1:20:15 20,000
1:20:16 that
1:20:16 from
1:20:16 Khamenei’s
1:20:17 perspective
1:20:17 he didn’t
1:20:17 need to
1:20:18 drop a
1:20:18 nuclear
1:20:19 bomb
1:20:19 on
1:20:20 Tel Aviv
1:20:20 what
1:20:20 he
1:20:20 needed
1:20:21 to
1:20:21 do
1:20:21 was
1:20:21 use
1:20:21 the
1:20:22 threat
1:20:22 of
1:20:22 nuclear
1:20:23 escalation
1:20:23 in
1:20:24 order
1:20:24 to
1:20:24 use
1:20:24 his
1:20:25 conventional
1:20:25 capabilities
1:20:26 his
1:20:26 missiles
1:20:27 to
1:20:27 destroy
1:20:28 Tel Aviv
1:20:28 and
1:20:28 you’ve
1:20:29 already
1:20:29 seen
1:20:29 the
1:20:29 damage
1:20:30 from
1:20:30 just
1:20:31 a
1:20:31 few
1:20:32 dozen
1:20:33 ballistic
1:20:33 missiles
1:20:33 getting
1:20:34 through
1:20:34 the
1:20:34 kind
1:20:34 of
1:20:35 damage
1:20:35 that
1:20:35 he’s
1:20:35 wrought
1:20:35 on
1:20:36 Tel Aviv
1:20:36 already
1:20:37 that
1:20:37 is
1:20:37 the
1:20:38 conception
1:20:38 that
1:20:38 Khamenei
1:20:39 has
1:20:39 it’s
1:20:39 a
1:20:39 revolutionary
1:20:40 regime
1:20:40 it
1:20:41 aggresses
1:20:41 and
1:20:41 I
1:20:42 do
1:20:42 think
1:20:42 it’s
1:20:42 interesting
1:20:42 and
1:20:43 I
1:20:43 think
1:20:43 we
1:20:43 should
1:20:43 talk
1:20:43 about
1:20:44 it
1:20:44 actually
1:20:45 that’s
1:20:45 a
1:20:45 good
1:20:45 cue
1:20:46 let’s
1:20:46 take
1:20:47 a
1:20:47 bath
1:20:47 and
1:20:47 break
1:20:49 okay
1:20:49 we
1:20:49 took
1:20:50 a
1:20:50 quick
1:20:50 break
1:20:50 and
1:20:51 now
1:20:51 Scott
1:20:52 yeah
1:20:52 okay
1:20:53 so
1:20:53 a few
1:20:54 things
1:20:54 there
1:20:54 first
1:20:54 of
1:20:55 all
1:20:56 on
1:20:56 Ahmad
1:20:56 the
1:20:57 pre
1:20:58 2003
1:20:59 nuclear
1:20:59 weapons
1:21:00 research
1:21:01 the
1:21:02 CIA
1:21:03 estimate
1:21:03 in
1:21:04 2007
1:21:05 concluded
1:21:05 that
1:21:05 all
1:21:05 research
1:21:06 had
1:21:06 stopped
1:21:06 in
1:21:07 2003
1:21:07 and
1:21:08 Seymour
1:21:08 Hirsch
1:21:08 reported
1:21:09 that
1:21:09 the
1:21:09 reasoning
1:21:10 behind
1:21:10 that
1:21:11 was
1:21:12 mainly
1:21:12 that
1:21:13 America
1:21:13 had
1:21:13 gotten
1:21:13 rid
1:21:13 of
1:21:14 Saddam
1:21:14 Hussein
1:21:14 for
1:21:14 them
1:21:15 now
1:21:15 in
1:21:16 Gareth
1:21:16 Porter’s
1:21:16 book
1:21:17 Manufactured
1:21:17 Crisis
1:21:18 he
1:21:18 shows
1:21:19 that
1:21:19 the
1:21:19 major
1:21:20 conclusion
1:21:21 that
1:21:21 the
1:21:22 DIA
1:21:23 had
1:21:23 made
1:21:24 that
1:21:24 the
1:21:25 Iranians
1:21:25 were
1:21:26 researching
1:21:26 nuclear
1:21:26 weapons
1:21:27 was
1:21:27 based
1:21:27 on
1:21:27 some
1:21:28 invoices
1:21:28 that
1:21:28 they
1:21:29 had
1:21:29 intercepted
1:21:29 for
1:21:29 some
1:21:30 dual
1:21:30 use
1:21:31 materials
1:21:31 some
1:21:32 specialty
1:21:32 magnets
1:21:33 and
1:21:33 things
1:21:33 that
1:21:34 they
1:21:34 thought
1:21:34 boy
1:21:34 this
1:21:35 looks
1:21:35 like
1:21:35 this
1:21:35 could
1:21:35 be
1:21:35 part
1:21:36 of
1:21:37 a
1:21:38 weaponization
1:21:38 program
1:21:38 a secret
1:21:39 program
1:21:39 here
1:21:40 and
1:21:40 you know
1:21:40 Gareth
1:21:41 Porter
1:21:41 who’s
1:21:42 a really
1:21:42 great
1:21:42 critic
1:21:42 of
1:21:42 all
1:21:43 of
1:21:43 these
1:21:43 policies
1:21:43 and
1:21:44 claims
1:21:45 says
1:21:45 hey
1:21:45 this
1:21:45 was
1:21:45 a
1:21:46 good
1:21:46 faith
1:21:47 misunderstanding
1:21:47 by
1:21:48 DIA
1:21:48 they were
1:21:48 doing
1:21:49 their job
1:21:50 but it
1:21:50 turned out
1:21:50 the
1:21:51 IAEA
1:21:51 later
1:21:51 when
1:21:52 America
1:21:52 gave
1:21:52 them
1:21:52 that
1:21:53 information
1:21:53 the
1:21:54 IAEA
1:21:54 went
1:21:54 and
1:21:54 verified
1:21:55 oh
1:21:55 there’s
1:21:55 the
1:21:55 magnet
1:21:56 and
1:21:56 there’s
1:21:56 this
1:21:56 and
1:21:57 there’s
1:21:57 that
1:21:57 and
1:21:57 all
1:21:57 those
1:21:57 dual
1:21:58 use
1:21:58 items
1:21:58 actually
1:21:58 were
1:21:59 being
1:21:59 used
1:21:59 for
1:22:00 civilian
1:22:00 purposes
1:22:01 and
1:22:01 so
1:22:01 then
1:22:02 as
1:22:02 Gareth
1:22:03 writes
1:22:03 in his
1:22:03 book
1:22:04 the
1:22:20 there
1:22:20 ever
1:22:21 was
1:22:21 a
1:22:21 nuclear
1:22:22 weapons
1:22:22 research
1:22:23 program
1:22:24 in
1:22:24 the
1:22:24 country
1:22:25 before
1:22:25 2003
1:22:26 was
1:22:26 the
1:22:26 smoking
1:22:27 laptop
1:22:28 and
1:22:28 I’m
1:22:28 sorry
1:22:28 I
1:22:28 think
1:22:28 I
1:22:29 misspoke
1:22:29 earlier
1:22:29 when I
1:22:29 said
1:22:30 that
1:22:30 the
1:22:30 laptop
1:22:31 was
1:22:31 in
1:22:32 2005
1:22:32 that
1:22:32 was
1:22:33 just
1:22:33 the
1:22:33 Washington
1:22:33 Post
1:22:34 story
1:22:34 that
1:22:34 had
1:22:34 a
1:22:34 bunch
1:22:34 of
1:22:34 stuff
1:22:35 about
1:22:35 it
1:22:35 that
1:22:35 was
1:22:35 in
1:22:36 2003
1:22:37 as
1:22:37 well
1:22:37 or
1:22:37 2004
1:22:38 possibly
1:22:39 so
1:22:39 this
1:22:39 was
1:22:40 why
1:22:41 the
1:22:41 but
1:22:41 it
1:22:42 was
1:22:42 still
1:22:42 all
1:22:43 again
1:22:43 forged
1:22:44 by
1:22:50 had
1:22:50 nothing
1:22:50 in
1:22:50 it
1:22:51 at
1:22:52 least
1:22:52 the
1:22:52 accusations
1:22:52 and
1:22:53 it
1:22:53 weren’t
1:22:53 past
1:22:53 2003
1:22:54 and
1:22:54 so
1:22:55 there’s
1:22:56 really
1:22:56 no
1:22:56 reason
1:22:56 to
1:22:57 believe
1:22:57 that
1:22:57 there
1:22:57 was
1:22:58 actually
1:22:58 a
1:22:58 nuclear
1:22:58 weapons
1:22:59 research
1:22:59 program
1:23:00 even
1:23:00 before
1:23:01 2003
1:23:01 which
1:23:02 then
1:23:02 again
1:23:03 the
1:23:03 National
1:23:03 Intelligence
1:23:04 Council
1:23:04 says
1:23:05 ended
1:23:05 in
1:23:06 2003
1:23:06 and
1:23:07 hasn’t
1:23:07 been
1:23:07 restarted
1:23:07 since
1:23:08 then
1:23:08 Can I ask you a question
1:23:09 not a comment by me
1:23:10 but a question
1:23:11 just your perspective
1:23:11 so just so I
1:23:12 understand
1:23:12 this
1:23:12 so
1:23:12 the
1:23:13 nuclear
1:23:14 archive
1:23:14 this
1:23:15 massive
1:23:15 archive
1:23:16 that
1:23:16 the
1:23:16 Israelis
1:23:17 were able
1:23:17 to
1:23:17 take
1:23:17 out
1:23:17 of
1:23:18 Tehran
1:23:19 bring
1:23:19 to
1:23:19 the
1:23:19 United
1:23:20 States
1:23:20 bring
1:23:20 to
1:23:20 the
1:23:21 IAEA
1:23:21 which
1:23:22 is
1:23:22 very
1:23:23 detailed
1:23:24 blueprints
1:23:24 it’s
1:23:25 just the
1:23:25 alleged
1:23:25 studies
1:23:26 documents
1:23:26 again
1:23:26 it’s
1:23:26 the
1:23:26 same
1:23:27 stuff
1:23:27 from
1:23:27 the
1:23:27 smoking
1:23:28 laptop
1:23:28 yeah
1:23:28 so
1:23:28 let
1:23:28 me
1:23:29 just
1:23:29 ask
1:23:29 you
1:23:29 because
1:23:30 it’s
1:23:30 huge
1:23:30 and
1:23:31 it’s
1:23:31 very
1:23:31 detailed
1:23:31 and
1:23:32 it
1:23:32 shows
1:23:32 clearly
1:23:33 that
1:23:33 Iran
1:23:33 had
1:23:33 an
1:23:34 active
1:23:42 are you
1:23:42 suggesting
1:23:42 that
1:23:43 that’s
1:23:43 all
1:23:43 been
1:23:43 forged
1:23:44 by
1:23:45 Israel
1:23:46 yes
1:23:46 nothing
1:23:46 in the
1:23:47 smoking
1:23:47 laptop
1:23:47 held up
1:23:48 not
1:23:48 the
1:23:48 laptop
1:23:49 but
1:23:49 this
1:23:50 entire
1:23:51 archive
1:23:51 that
1:23:51 they
1:23:51 pulled
1:23:51 out
1:23:52 with
1:23:53 you’re
1:23:53 thinking
1:23:53 of
1:23:53 like
1:23:54 blueprints
1:23:55 photo op
1:23:55 with all
1:23:55 the
1:23:56 documents
1:23:58 behind
1:23:58 them
1:23:58 I’ve
1:23:58 seen
1:23:58 it
1:23:59 I’ve
1:23:59 seen
1:23:59 many
1:24:00 of
1:24:00 the
1:24:00 documents
1:24:01 there’s
1:24:01 thousands
1:24:01 of
1:24:02 pages
1:24:02 I’m
1:24:03 asking
1:24:03 this
1:24:03 is
1:24:03 not
1:24:03 what
1:24:03 I’m
1:24:04 claiming
1:24:05 is
1:24:05 that
1:24:05 all
1:24:05 forged
1:24:06 by
1:24:06 Israel
1:24:06 is
1:24:06 that
1:24:07 not
1:24:07 all
1:24:07 about
1:24:07 the
1:24:08 uranium
1:24:09 tetrafluoride
1:24:09 and
1:24:09 the
1:24:09 warhead
1:24:09 that
1:24:10 David
1:24:10 Albright
1:24:11 debunked
1:24:11 and
1:24:12 all
1:24:12 the
1:24:12 same
1:24:12 claims
1:24:13 that
1:24:13 were
1:24:13 in
1:24:13 the
1:24:13 smoking
1:24:14 laptop
1:24:14 from
1:24:14 the
1:24:14 Bush
1:24:15 years
1:24:15 David
1:24:15 David
1:24:16 Albright
1:24:17 actually wrote
1:24:17 an entire
1:24:18 book
1:24:18 it’s
1:24:18 a
1:24:18 very
1:24:18 detailed
1:24:19 book
1:24:19 your
1:24:19 listeners
1:24:20 should
1:24:20 Google
1:24:20 it’s
1:24:21 David
1:24:21 Albright
1:24:22 and
1:24:22 the
1:24:22 archive
1:24:23 where
1:24:23 he
1:24:23 goes
1:24:24 in
1:24:24 he
1:24:24 went
1:24:24 in
1:24:25 detail
1:24:25 and
1:24:26 he
1:24:27 confirms
1:24:27 the
1:24:28 information
1:24:28 in
1:24:28 that
1:24:29 archive
1:24:29 that
1:24:29 Iran
1:24:30 had
1:24:30 an
1:24:30 active
1:24:31 program
1:24:31 under
1:24:32 something
1:24:32 called
1:24:32 Ahmad
1:24:33 to
1:24:33 develop
1:24:34 five
1:24:34 atomic
1:24:35 weapons
1:24:35 so
1:24:35 again
1:24:36 you
1:24:36 and
1:24:36 I
1:24:36 can
1:24:37 debate
1:24:37 this
1:24:37 all
1:24:37 day
1:24:38 this
1:24:38 would
1:24:38 have
1:24:38 been
1:24:38 before
1:24:39 Natanz
1:24:39 was
1:24:39 even
1:24:40 dug
1:24:40 and
1:24:40 before
1:24:40 single
1:24:41 centrifuge
1:24:41 spinning
1:24:42 right
1:24:42 I’m
1:24:42 just
1:24:43 making
1:24:43 sure
1:24:43 everybody
1:24:43 understands
1:24:44 assuming
1:24:44 that
1:24:44 was
1:24:44 true
1:24:45 we’re
1:24:45 talking
1:24:45 about
1:24:45 a
1:24:45 piece
1:24:45 of
1:24:45 paper
1:24:46 it’s
1:24:46 not
1:24:46 a
1:24:46 piece
1:24:47 of
1:24:47 paper
1:24:47 it’s
1:24:47 a
1:24:47 massive
1:24:48 archive
1:24:48 I’m
1:24:49 just
1:24:49 asking
1:24:49 the
1:24:49 question
1:24:50 you
1:24:50 believe
1:24:51 Mossad
1:24:51 fabricated
1:24:52 all
1:24:52 of
1:24:52 this
1:24:52 as
1:24:53 a
1:24:53 lie
1:24:53 to
1:24:54 deceive
1:24:54 the
1:24:54 United
1:24:55 States
1:24:55 the
1:24:55 IAEA
1:24:56 and
1:24:56 international
1:24:56 community
1:24:57 that’s
1:24:57 just
1:24:57 my
1:24:57 question
1:24:58 my
1:24:59 understanding
1:24:59 is that
1:24:59 there’s
1:25:00 nothing
1:25:00 significant
1:25:01 in
1:25:01 the
1:25:02 2018
1:25:02 archive
1:25:03 that
1:25:03 was
1:25:03 not
1:25:04 already
1:25:04 in
1:25:05 the
1:25:06 debunked
1:25:06 claims
1:25:06 from
1:25:06 the
1:25:07 laptop
1:25:07 but
1:25:07 my
1:25:08 question
1:25:08 is
1:25:09 is
1:25:09 not
1:25:10 that
1:25:10 it’s
1:25:11 debunked
1:25:11 because
1:25:11 we
1:25:11 can
1:25:11 argue
1:25:11 about
1:25:12 whether
1:25:12 it’s
1:25:12 debunked
1:25:12 or not
1:25:13 but
1:25:13 are
1:25:13 you
1:25:14 saying
1:25:14 Mossad
1:25:15 fabricated
1:25:25 where
1:25:25 did
1:25:25 the
1:25:25 M.E.K.
1:25:27 got it
1:25:27 from
1:25:27 the
1:25:28 Israelis
1:25:28 Scott
1:25:28 I’m not
1:25:28 asking
1:25:28 about
1:25:28 the
1:25:29 laptop
1:25:29 I’m
1:25:29 asking
1:25:30 about
1:25:30 this
1:25:31 huge
1:25:31 archive
1:25:31 that
1:25:31 was
1:25:32 sitting
1:25:32 in
1:25:32 a
1:25:32 warehouse
1:25:32 in
1:25:33 Tehran
1:25:34 full
1:25:34 I don’t
1:25:35 know
1:25:35 the
1:25:35 truth
1:25:35 behind
1:25:36 those
1:25:36 documents
1:25:36 I
1:25:37 don’t
1:25:37 believe
1:25:38 Israeli
1:25:38 claims
1:25:39 of
1:25:39 what
1:25:39 they
1:25:40 were
1:25:40 and
1:25:40 where
1:25:40 they
1:25:40 came
1:25:41 from
1:25:41 without
1:25:42 for
1:25:42 example
1:25:42 reading
1:25:43 Albright’s
1:25:43 book
1:25:43 and
1:25:44 seeing
1:25:44 what
1:25:44 he
1:25:44 has
1:25:44 to
1:25:44 say
1:25:45 about
1:25:45 all
1:25:45 of
1:25:45 that
1:25:46 I
1:25:52 there
1:25:52 you
1:25:52 say
1:25:52 that
1:25:52 there’s
1:25:52 a
1:25:53 document
1:25:53 that
1:25:53 has
1:25:53 a
1:25:53 plan
1:25:54 to
1:25:54 make
1:25:54 five
1:25:55 bombs
1:25:55 but
1:25:56 isn’t
1:25:56 the
1:25:56 rest
1:25:56 of the
1:25:56 proof
1:25:56 the
1:25:57 same
1:25:57 green
1:25:58 salt
1:25:58 experiments
1:25:59 and
1:25:59 the
1:25:59 warhead
1:26:00 for
1:26:00 the
1:26:00 missile
1:26:00 that
1:26:00 David
1:26:01 Albright
1:26:01 showed
1:26:02 was
1:26:03 obviously
1:26:03 fake
1:26:04 because
1:26:04 the
1:26:04 warhead
1:26:05 was
1:26:06 purportedly
1:26:06 being
1:26:07 designed
1:26:07 for a
1:26:07 missile
1:26:07 that
1:26:08 was
1:26:08 now
1:26:08 going
1:26:08 to
1:26:08 have
1:26:08 an
1:26:09 entirely
1:26:09 different
1:26:10 nose
1:26:10 cone
1:26:10 on
1:26:10 it
1:26:11 David
1:26:11 Albright
1:26:11 again
1:26:12 we should
1:26:12 bring
1:26:13 David
1:26:13 Albright
1:26:13 here
1:26:14 David
1:26:14 Albright
1:26:14 is a
1:26:15 prominent
1:26:15 physicist
1:26:15 and
1:26:16 nuclear
1:26:16 proliferation
1:26:17 expert
1:26:17 known for
1:26:18 his detailed
1:26:18 research
1:26:19 and publication
1:26:19 on nuclear
1:26:20 weapons
1:26:20 he has a
1:26:21 bunch of
1:26:21 books
1:26:21 peddling
1:26:22 peril
1:26:23 Iran’s
1:26:23 perilous
1:26:23 pursuit
1:26:23 of
1:26:24 nuclear
1:26:24 weapons
1:26:25 plutonium
1:26:25 and
1:26:26 highly
1:26:26 enriched
1:26:26 uranium
1:26:27 1996
1:26:28 and so
1:26:28 on
1:26:28 yeah
1:26:29 so
1:26:30 folks
1:26:30 should
1:26:31 read
1:26:31 the
1:26:31 book
1:26:32 on the
1:26:32 archive
1:26:33 because
1:26:33 David
1:26:33 had
1:26:35 full
1:26:35 access
1:26:35 to the
1:26:36 archive
1:26:36 all the
1:26:37 detailed
1:26:37 documents
1:26:38 and
1:26:38 blueprints
1:26:38 and he
1:26:39 writes
1:26:39 a book
1:26:39 that
1:26:40 again
1:26:40 the
1:26:40 conclusion
1:26:41 of
1:26:41 which
1:26:41 is
1:26:42 Iran
1:26:42 had
1:26:42 an
1:26:43 active
1:26:44 nuclear
1:26:44 weapons
1:26:44 program
1:26:45 no
1:26:45 no
1:26:45 the
1:26:45 conclusion
1:26:45 of
1:26:46 which
1:26:46 was
1:26:46 they
1:26:46 were
1:26:47 researching
1:26:47 it
1:26:48 right
1:26:48 before
1:26:48 2003
1:26:49 they had
1:26:49 no
1:26:49 nuclear
1:26:50 material
1:26:50 to
1:26:51 introduce
1:26:51 into a
1:26:52 single
1:26:52 machine
1:26:52 right
1:26:53 well
1:26:53 they
1:26:53 had
1:26:55 already
1:26:56 built
1:26:56 a
1:26:56 covert
1:26:56 enrichment
1:26:57 facility
1:26:57 which
1:26:57 was
1:26:58 only
1:26:58 no
1:26:58 they
1:26:58 hadn’t
1:26:58 it
1:26:58 was
1:26:59 closed
1:26:59 Natanz
1:27:00 was
1:27:12 putting
1:27:12 in
1:27:12 place
1:27:13 the
1:27:13 component
1:27:14 parts
1:27:15 for
1:27:16 a
1:27:16 nuclear
1:27:17 weapons
1:27:17 capability
1:27:18 and
1:27:19 Ahmad
1:27:20 showed
1:27:21 conclusively
1:27:21 unless you
1:27:22 believe
1:27:22 Mossad
1:27:23 fabricated
1:27:23 at all
1:27:24 that
1:27:24 they
1:27:24 actually
1:27:25 had
1:27:25 the
1:27:25 plan
1:27:25 to
1:27:26 build
1:27:26 nuclear
1:27:27 warheads
1:27:27 again
1:27:27 Seymour
1:27:27 Hirsch
1:27:28 says
1:27:28 that
1:27:28 it
1:27:28 was
1:27:29 when
1:27:29 Seymour
1:27:29 Hirsch
1:27:30 was not
1:27:30 a
1:27:30 nuclear
1:27:30 weapons
1:27:31 expert
1:27:31 David
1:27:32 Albright
1:27:32 has
1:27:32 you saw
1:27:32 the
1:27:32 archive
1:27:33 Hirsch’s
1:27:34 sources
1:27:34 said
1:27:35 you’re
1:27:35 claiming
1:27:35 that
1:27:35 America
1:27:36 invaded
1:27:37 Iraq
1:27:37 and
1:27:37 overthrew
1:27:38 Saddam
1:27:38 Hussein
1:27:38 for
1:27:38 them
1:27:39 that
1:27:39 was
1:27:39 when
1:27:39 they
1:27:40 gave
1:27:40 up
1:27:40 even
1:27:41 considering
1:27:41 the
1:27:41 need
1:27:42 for
1:27:42 it
1:27:42 remember
1:27:42 the
1:27:43 Iranians
1:27:43 held a
1:27:44 million
1:27:44 man
1:27:44 vigil
1:27:45 for
1:27:45 the
1:27:45 Americans
1:27:46 on
1:27:46 September
1:27:47 11th
1:27:47 the
1:27:47 Iranians
1:27:48 hated
1:27:48 the
1:27:48 Taliban
1:27:49 in fact
1:27:49 the
1:27:49 Americans
1:27:49 thought
1:27:50 Iran
1:27:50 might
1:27:51 invade
1:27:51 Afghanistan
1:27:52 earlier
1:27:52 in
1:27:52 2001
1:27:53 and
1:27:53 they
1:27:53 hated
1:27:54 Saddam
1:27:54 Hussein
1:27:55 so
1:27:55 they
1:28:08 You’re
1:28:08 asking
1:28:09 me
1:28:09 what
1:28:09 I
1:28:09 already
1:28:10 answered
1:28:10 you
1:28:10 I
1:28:12 fabricated
1:28:12 that
1:28:12 entire
1:28:12 I
1:28:13 already
1:28:13 told
1:28:13 you
1:28:13 I
1:28:14 don’t
1:28:14 take
1:28:14 their
1:28:14 word
1:28:14 for
1:28:15 anything
1:28:15 and
1:28:16 as far
1:28:17 as I
1:28:17 understand
1:28:17 the
1:28:18 accusations
1:28:18 in there
1:28:18 are the
1:28:18 same
1:28:19 ones
1:28:19 from
1:28:19 the
1:28:19 laptop
1:28:20 that
1:28:20 are
1:28:20 already
1:28:21 discredited
1:28:21 and I
1:28:21 haven’t
1:28:22 read
1:28:22 David
1:28:22 Albright’s
1:28:22 book
1:28:23 you’re
1:28:23 distracting
1:28:24 from
1:28:24 me
1:28:24 refuting
1:28:25 this
1:28:25 giant
1:28:26 list
1:28:26 of
1:28:26 false
1:28:26 claims
1:28:27 that
1:28:27 you
1:28:27 made
1:28:27 previously
1:28:28 that
1:28:28 I
1:28:28 haven’t
1:28:28 got
1:28:28 a
1:28:28 chance
1:28:29 all
1:28:29 agree
1:28:29 you’re
1:28:29 going
1:28:29 to
1:28:29 read
1:28:29 the
1:28:29 book
1:28:30 maybe
1:28:30 Lex
1:28:31 you’re
1:28:31 going
1:28:31 to
1:28:31 read
1:28:31 the
1:28:31 book
1:28:32 viewers
1:28:32 you should
1:28:32 read
1:28:32 the
1:28:33 book
1:28:33 I
1:28:33 think
1:28:33 David
1:28:33 Albright
1:28:34 has
1:28:34 done
1:28:34 a
1:28:34 meticulous
1:28:35 job
1:28:35 it’s
1:28:35 by the
1:28:35 way
1:28:35 just
1:28:36 just
1:28:36 warning
1:28:36 it’s
1:28:37 a
1:28:37 big
1:28:37 book
1:28:38 very
1:28:38 detailed
1:28:39 hundreds
1:28:39 of
1:28:39 pages
1:28:39 and
1:28:40 he
1:28:40 goes
1:28:40 through
1:28:40 it
1:28:40 in
1:28:41 meticulous
1:28:41 detail
1:28:42 in
1:28:42 analyzing
1:28:43 this
1:28:44 archive
1:28:44 and showed
1:28:44 again
1:28:44 that
1:28:45 Iran
1:28:45 had
1:28:46 an
1:28:46 active
1:28:47 nuclear
1:28:47 weapons
1:28:48 program
1:28:48 designed
1:28:48 to
1:28:48 build
1:28:59 war
1:28:59 with
1:29:00 Iraq
1:29:00 for
1:29:00 Ariel
1:29:00 Sharon
1:29:01 so
1:29:01 just
1:29:01 to
1:29:02 clarify
1:29:02 Hugh
1:29:03 Mark
1:29:03 and
1:29:04 David
1:29:04 Albright
1:29:06 believe
1:29:06 that
1:29:07 Iran
1:29:08 was
1:29:08 developing
1:29:08 a
1:29:08 nuclear
1:29:09 weapon
1:29:10 and
1:29:10 you
1:29:10 Scott
1:29:10 are
1:29:11 saying
1:29:11 they
1:29:11 were
1:29:11 not
1:29:11 before
1:29:12 2003
1:29:13 just
1:29:14 to
1:29:14 summarize
1:29:15 what
1:29:15 we were
1:29:15 just
1:29:15 talking
1:29:15 about
1:29:16 well
1:29:16 I
1:29:16 can
1:29:16 tell
1:29:16 you
1:29:17 that
1:29:17 so
1:29:18 Gareth’s
1:29:18 book
1:29:18 came
1:29:18 out
1:29:18 in
1:29:19 2014
1:29:20 which
1:29:20 is
1:29:20 before
1:29:20 this
1:29:21 archive
1:29:21 was
1:29:22 supposedly
1:29:22 revealed
1:29:22 in
1:29:23 Tehran
1:29:23 but
1:29:24 in
1:29:25 Gareth’s
1:29:25 book
1:29:25 he
1:29:25 shows
1:29:26 that
1:29:26 the
1:29:27 CIA
1:29:27 and
1:29:27 national
1:29:28 intelligence
1:29:28 estimate
1:29:28 of
1:29:29 2007
1:29:30 that
1:29:30 said
1:29:30 that
1:29:30 there
1:29:30 was
1:29:30 a
1:29:31 program
1:29:31 before
1:29:32 2003
1:29:32 and
1:29:33 was
1:29:33 halted
1:29:34 after
1:29:34 America
1:29:35 invaded
1:29:35 Iraq
1:29:36 was
1:29:37 based
1:29:37 on
1:29:38 one
1:29:38 the
1:29:39 the
1:29:39 DIA’s
1:29:40 mistaken
1:29:41 but
1:29:41 sincere
1:29:43 interpretation
1:29:44 of these
1:29:44 invoices
1:29:45 for these
1:29:46 dual use
1:29:47 technologies
1:29:47 and then
1:29:48 the smoking
1:29:48 laptop
1:29:49 which was
1:29:50 completely
1:29:50 fake
1:29:50 and funneled
1:29:51 into the
1:29:51 stream
1:29:52 by the
1:29:53 Mujahideen
1:29:53 e-cult
1:29:54 communist
1:29:54 terrorist
1:29:54 cult
1:29:54 the same
1:29:55 people
1:29:55 who
1:29:56 come
1:29:56 off
1:29:56 with
1:29:57 you
1:29:57 know
1:29:57 10
1:29:57 major
1:29:57 hoax
1:29:58 the
1:29:58 NCRI
1:29:58 they
1:29:58 just
1:29:59 put
1:29:59 out
1:29:59 the
1:30:00 NCRI
1:30:00 the
1:30:00 National
1:30:00 Council
1:30:01 for
1:30:01 Resistance
1:30:01 in
1:30:25 No
1:30:25 but
1:30:25 but
1:30:25 let’s
1:30:26 talk
1:30:26 about
1:30:26 that
1:30:26 they
1:30:26 had
1:30:27 interesting
1:30:28 history
1:30:28 according
1:30:28 to
1:30:29 NIE
1:30:29 they
1:30:29 had
1:30:30 a
1:30:30 nuclear
1:30:30 weapons
1:30:31 research
1:30:31 program
1:30:32 that
1:30:32 never
1:30:33 made
1:30:33 anything
1:30:34 at
1:30:34 all
1:30:34 so you
1:30:35 can try
1:30:35 to conflate
1:30:35 that if you
1:30:35 want
1:30:36 but I think
1:30:37 everybody
1:31:07 the Supreme
1:31:07 Supreme
1:31:37 million people
1:31:37 people
1:31:37 had been
1:31:38 had been
1:31:39 killed
1:31:39 so they
1:31:39 were
1:31:40 they were
1:31:41 afraid
1:31:41 that the
1:31:41 United
1:31:42 States
1:31:42 was
1:31:42 going
1:31:42 to
1:31:43 march
1:31:43 from
1:31:44 Baghdad
1:31:44 to
1:31:44 Tehran
1:31:46 so they
1:31:46 make a
1:31:46 decision
1:31:48 to end
1:31:49 their
1:31:50 active
1:31:50 Ahmad
1:31:51 program
1:31:52 they
1:31:53 make a
1:31:53 decision
1:31:53 to
1:31:54 build
1:31:54 out
1:31:54 the
1:31:54 key
1:31:55 capabilities
1:31:55 they
1:31:56 need
1:31:56 to
1:31:56 retain
1:31:57 an
1:31:57 Iranian
1:31:58 nuclear
1:31:58 weapons
1:31:59 option
1:32:00 specifically
1:32:00 the
1:32:01 enrichment
1:32:01 capabilities
1:32:02 at
1:32:03 Natanz
1:32:03 and then
1:32:04 Fordow
1:32:05 and at
1:32:05 Iraq
1:32:06 giving them
1:32:06 the
1:32:07 plutonium
1:32:07 route
1:32:08 and then
1:32:08 what they
1:32:09 do is
1:32:09 they take
1:32:10 the members
1:32:10 of the
1:32:10 Ahmad
1:32:11 program
1:32:11 the nuclear
1:32:11 weapons
1:32:12 scientists
1:32:12 that have
1:32:12 worked
1:32:13 on this
1:32:14 and they
1:32:14 disperse
1:32:14 them
1:32:15 so they’re
1:32:16 now no
1:32:16 longer
1:32:17 in a
1:32:18 formal
1:32:19 weapons
1:32:19 program
1:32:20 they’re
1:32:20 put in
1:32:20 a
1:32:21 number
1:32:21 of
1:32:22 different
1:32:22 research
1:32:22 centers
1:32:23 and
1:32:23 universities
1:32:24 and
1:32:24 Mohsen
1:32:25 Fakhrizade
1:32:25 who you
1:32:26 mentioned
1:32:27 earlier
1:32:28 who’s
1:32:28 in some
1:32:28 respects
1:32:29 I wouldn’t
1:32:29 call him
1:32:30 the Oppenheimer
1:32:31 of the
1:32:32 Iranian
1:32:32 nuclear
1:32:33 weapons
1:32:33 program
1:32:33 he’s
1:32:34 more like
1:32:36 who was
1:32:36 in the
1:32:36 Oppenheimer
1:32:37 movie
1:32:37 Leslie
1:32:37 Grove
1:32:39 the guy
1:32:39 who was
1:32:39 actually
1:32:40 responsible
1:32:40 for the
1:32:41 organization
1:32:42 and the
1:32:43 training
1:32:43 and the
1:32:44 recruitment
1:32:44 and the
1:32:45 guy that
1:32:45 actually ran
1:32:46 the program
1:32:46 as opposed
1:32:47 to Oppenheimer
1:32:47 the sort
1:32:48 of brilliant
1:32:48 nuclear
1:32:49 physicist
1:32:50 this is
1:32:51 Fakhrizade
1:32:52 so Fakhrizade
1:32:53 takes control
1:32:53 of this
1:32:54 program
1:32:55 and now
1:32:55 it is
1:32:56 dispersed
1:32:57 and it
1:32:57 is
1:32:59 unstructured
1:32:59 in that
1:33:00 sense
1:33:00 because
1:33:01 they
1:33:01 recognize
1:33:02 that if
1:33:03 they continue
1:33:03 with this
1:33:04 the United
1:33:04 States
1:33:05 may march
1:33:06 to Tehran
1:33:06 and so
1:33:07 the NIE
1:33:08 says
1:33:08 Iran is
1:33:09 retaining
1:33:09 the key
1:33:10 capabilities
1:33:10 the enrichment
1:33:11 capabilities
1:33:11 to give
1:33:12 them an
1:33:12 option
1:33:12 for a
1:33:12 nuclear
1:33:13 weapon
1:33:13 but we
1:33:14 the NIE
1:33:15 have decided
1:33:15 or we
1:33:16 have concluded
1:33:17 that they
1:33:17 no longer
1:33:18 have an
1:33:18 active
1:33:19 structured
1:33:20 nuclear
1:33:20 weapons
1:33:21 program
1:33:21 however
1:33:22 since then
1:33:22 what have
1:33:23 we seen
1:33:23 we’ve seen
1:33:24 them actually
1:33:25 do what
1:33:26 many suspected
1:33:26 they would do
1:33:27 which is
1:33:28 build all
1:33:28 the key
1:33:29 capabilities
1:33:29 that they
1:33:30 need
1:33:30 so that
1:33:31 at the time
1:33:31 of their
1:33:32 choosing
1:33:32 they can
1:33:33 decide
1:33:34 to develop
1:33:35 a nuclear
1:33:35 bomb
1:33:36 whether it’s
1:33:36 a crude
1:33:36 nuclear device
1:33:37 as you
1:33:37 described
1:33:38 whether it’s
1:33:38 a nuclear
1:33:39 warhead
1:33:40 we’ve had
1:33:40 that discussion
1:33:42 so far
1:33:42 but just
1:33:43 sorry
1:33:43 just to
1:33:43 finish
1:33:44 so
1:33:44 just
1:33:45 understand
1:33:46 the brilliance
1:33:47 of Iranian
1:33:48 nuclear
1:33:49 deception
1:33:49 right
1:33:50 I just
1:33:50 I think
1:33:50 it’s
1:33:50 really
1:33:50 interesting
1:33:51 to get
1:33:51 in the
1:33:51 minds
1:33:52 of the
1:33:52 Ayatollah
1:33:52 and understand
1:33:53 this
1:33:53 because
1:33:54 he doesn’t
1:33:55 want to provoke
1:33:55 the United
1:33:55 States
1:33:57 he doesn’t
1:33:57 want to see
1:33:57 another
1:33:59 Iraq style
1:33:59 invasion
1:34:00 this time
1:34:00 of his
1:34:00 country
1:34:02 he’s
1:34:02 building
1:34:02 this
1:34:03 capability
1:34:03 on the
1:34:03 enrichment
1:34:04 side
1:34:04 and on
1:34:04 the
1:34:05 reprocessing
1:34:05 side
1:34:06 he is
1:34:06 framing
1:34:07 this
1:34:07 as I’m
1:34:07 only
1:34:08 building
1:34:08 a
1:34:08 civilian
1:34:08 nuclear
1:34:09 program
1:34:09 he’s
1:34:09 taking
1:34:10 the
1:34:10 weapons
1:34:10 scientists
1:34:11 who are
1:34:11 building
1:34:12 part
1:34:13 of an
1:34:13 active
1:34:14 nuclear
1:34:14 weapons
1:34:14 program
1:34:16 and he’s
1:34:16 dispersing
1:34:17 them
1:34:17 putting
1:34:17 them
1:34:18 under
1:34:18 the
1:34:19 guidance
1:34:19 and
1:34:19 direction
1:34:19 of
1:34:20 Fakhrizade
1:34:21 and starting
1:34:22 to build
1:34:22 out
1:34:22 these
1:34:23 capabilities
1:34:23 I mean
1:34:24 I admire
1:34:25 I have to say
1:34:26 I really
1:34:26 admire the
1:34:27 way he’s
1:34:27 played
1:34:27 this
1:34:28 three-dimensional
1:34:28 nuclear
1:34:29 chess
1:34:29 game
1:34:29 it’s
1:34:30 very
1:34:30 very
1:34:30 interesting
1:34:31 and I
1:34:31 think
1:34:31 he made
1:34:32 a tragic
1:34:33 mistake
1:34:34 about
1:34:35 six
1:34:35 weeks
1:34:35 ago
1:34:36 when
1:34:36 he
1:34:36 rejected
1:34:37 the
1:34:37 offer
1:34:37 from
1:34:38 Trump
1:34:38 at
1:34:39 Oman
1:34:40 and then
1:34:40 provoked
1:34:41 both an
1:34:41 Israeli
1:34:42 and then
1:34:42 an
1:34:42 American
1:34:43 strike
1:34:44 but he
1:34:44 was
1:34:44 playing
1:34:44 this
1:34:45 game
1:34:46 almost
1:34:46 perfectly
1:34:47 before
1:34:47 then
1:34:48 in
1:34:48 building
1:34:48 out
1:34:48 these
1:34:49 capabilities
1:34:50 and
1:34:50 I
1:34:50 think
1:34:51 what
1:34:51 he
1:34:51 should
1:34:51 have
1:34:51 done
1:34:51 if
1:34:52 I
1:34:52 were
1:34:52 him
1:34:52 I
1:34:52 would
1:34:52 have
1:34:53 waited
1:34:53 out
1:34:53 Trump
1:34:54 I
1:34:54 would
1:34:54 have
1:34:54 waited
1:34:55 three
1:34:55 and a
1:34:55 half
1:34:55 years
1:34:55 I
1:34:55 would
1:34:55 have
1:34:56 taken
1:34:56 the
1:34:56 offer
1:34:56 in
1:34:56 Oman
1:34:57 which
1:34:57 gave
1:34:57 him
1:34:58 enrichment
1:34:58 capability
1:34:59 above
1:34:59 ground
1:35:00 this
1:35:01 consortium
1:35:01 that was
1:35:01 going to
1:35:01 be built
1:35:02 in three
1:35:02 and a
1:35:02 half
1:35:02 years
1:35:03 would
1:35:03 never
1:35:03 be
1:35:03 built
1:35:04 and even
1:35:04 if
1:35:04 it was
1:35:04 built
1:35:05 he
1:35:05 could
1:35:05 just
1:35:05 say
1:35:05 I’m
1:35:05 not
1:35:06 interested
1:35:06 anymore
1:35:07 and
1:35:07 challenge
1:35:07 the
1:35:08 next
1:35:08 president
1:35:08 whoever
1:35:09 that
1:35:09 is
1:35:09 Republican
1:35:10 and Democrat
1:35:10 to do
1:35:11 anything
1:35:11 about
1:35:11 it
1:35:11 and I
1:35:11 think
1:35:11 the
1:35:12 political
1:35:13 calculation
1:35:14 should
1:35:14 have
1:35:14 been
1:35:14 the
1:35:15 next
1:35:15 president
1:35:15 is
1:35:15 not
1:35:15 going
1:35:16 to
1:35:16 do
1:35:16 anything
1:35:16 about
1:35:16 this
1:35:17 I’ll
1:35:18 be
1:35:18 able
1:35:18 to
1:35:18 then
1:35:18 be
1:35:18 able
1:35:19 to
1:35:19 complete
1:35:19 my
1:35:20 nuclear
1:35:20 weapons
1:35:20 program
1:35:21 but he
1:35:22 challenged
1:35:22 Trump
1:35:22 he
1:35:22 thought
1:35:23 Trump
1:35:23 was
1:35:23 a
1:35:23 paper
1:35:24 tiger
1:35:24 he
1:35:25 rejected
1:35:25 that
1:35:25 offer
1:35:25 at
1:35:26 Oman
1:35:27 and
1:35:27 we’ve
1:35:27 seen
1:35:28 what’s
1:35:28 happened
1:35:28 over
1:35:28 the
1:35:28 past
1:35:29 couple
1:35:29 weeks
1:35:30 two
1:35:30 things
1:35:31 one
1:35:31 can
1:35:31 you
1:35:31 go
1:35:31 and
1:35:32 respond
1:35:32 to
1:35:32 certain
1:35:32 things
1:35:33 that
1:35:33 you
1:35:34 heard
1:35:34 and
1:35:35 two
1:35:35 can
1:35:35 we
1:35:36 generally
1:35:36 move
1:35:37 in
1:35:37 the
1:35:37 direction
1:35:38 of
1:35:38 the
1:35:38 modern
1:35:39 day
1:35:39 and
1:35:39 trying
1:35:40 to
1:35:40 see
1:35:40 what
1:35:40 is
1:35:40 the
1:35:41 right
1:35:48 history
1:35:48 which
1:35:48 is
1:35:49 really
1:35:49 important
1:35:49 but
1:35:50 sort
1:35:50 of
1:35:50 moving
1:35:50 forward
1:35:51 but
1:35:52 go ahead
1:35:52 please
1:35:53 I’m not
1:35:53 sure how much
1:35:53 time we have
1:35:55 I kind of
1:35:55 hoped
1:35:56 that we could
1:35:56 talk about
1:35:58 Israel’s role
1:35:59 in Iraq
1:35:59 War II
1:36:00 and for
1:36:01 that matter
1:36:02 in Barack
1:36:02 Obama’s
1:36:02 dirty war
1:36:03 in Syria
1:36:03 that led
1:36:04 to the rise
1:36:04 of the
1:36:05 bin Laden
1:36:05 Knights
1:36:05 there
1:36:05 it’s
1:36:06 all part
1:36:06 of
1:36:07 America’s
1:36:07 Israel
1:36:07 policy
1:36:08 so I
1:36:08 don’t
1:36:08 want
1:36:08 to
1:36:09 I
1:36:09 rather
1:36:09 go
1:36:09 back
1:36:10 before
1:36:10 we
1:36:10 go
1:36:10 forward
1:36:11 but
1:36:11 I
1:36:11 also
1:36:12 do
1:36:12 I
1:36:12 need
1:36:12 to
1:36:13 go
1:36:13 back
1:36:13 over
1:36:13 so
1:36:13 many
1:36:14 claims
1:36:14 that
1:36:14 he’s
1:36:14 made
1:36:14 here
1:36:14 that
1:36:15 I
1:36:16 strongly
1:36:17 prefer
1:36:17 we
1:36:17 go
1:36:18 because
1:36:18 there’s
1:36:18 so
1:36:19 much
1:36:19 history
1:36:19 we’re
1:36:19 going
1:36:19 to
1:36:20 lose
1:36:20 ourselves
1:36:20 in it
1:36:20 there’s
1:36:21 not
1:36:21 enough
1:36:21 hours
1:36:22 we
1:36:23 should
1:36:24 take
1:36:24 certain
1:36:24 moments
1:36:25 in
1:36:25 history
1:36:25 that
1:36:26 instruct
1:36:26 the
1:36:27 modern
1:36:27 day
1:36:28 but
1:36:28 let’s
1:36:28 not
1:36:28 get
1:36:29 lost
1:36:29 there
1:36:29 if
1:36:29 it’s
1:36:29 okay
1:36:30 sure
1:36:30 this
1:36:30 is
1:36:30 such
1:36:30 a
1:36:31 fascinating
1:36:31 conversation
1:36:32 although
1:36:32 we’re
1:36:32 talking
1:36:32 about
1:36:33 you
1:36:33 know
1:36:33 the
1:36:34 JCPOA
1:36:34 and the
1:36:34 time
1:36:35 between
1:36:35 then
1:36:35 and now
1:36:35 like
1:36:36 quite
1:36:36 a bit
1:36:36 already
1:36:37 too
1:36:37 so
1:36:38 we’ll
1:36:38 be
1:36:38 going
1:36:38 back
1:36:38 over
1:36:38 some
1:36:39 of
1:36:39 that
1:36:39 no
1:36:39 I
1:36:39 mean
1:36:40 modern
1:36:40 day
1:36:40 I
1:36:41 don’t
1:36:41 mean
1:36:41 this
1:36:41 week
1:36:43 a lot
1:36:43 of
1:36:44 stuff
1:36:46 will
1:36:47 happen
1:36:47 tomorrow
1:36:47 and
1:36:48 the
1:36:48 next
1:36:48 week
1:36:49 and
1:36:49 we
1:36:49 everyone
1:36:50 wants
1:36:50 to
1:36:50 know
1:36:51 what
1:36:52 is
1:36:52 going
1:36:52 to
1:36:52 happen
1:36:52 what
1:36:53 is
1:36:53 the
1:36:53 worst
1:36:53 case
1:36:53 what
1:36:54 is
1:36:54 the
1:36:54 best
1:36:54 case
1:36:55 should
1:36:55 we
1:36:55 be
1:36:55 freaking
1:36:56 out
1:36:56 what
1:36:56 do
1:36:56 we
1:36:56 need
1:36:56 to
1:36:57 understand
1:36:57 about
1:36:57 today
1:36:57 that’s
1:36:57 all
1:36:58 right
1:36:59 so
1:36:59 there’s
1:36:59 a lot
1:36:59 of
1:36:59 things
1:36:59 to
1:37:00 address
1:37:00 here
1:37:00 so
1:37:00 first
1:37:00 of
1:37:01 all
1:37:01 something
1:37:01 that
1:37:02 me
1:37:02 and
1:37:02 Mr.
1:37:03 Dubowitz
1:37:03 agree
1:37:03 about
1:37:04 Mark
1:37:05 something
1:37:05 that
1:37:05 Mark
1:37:06 and I
1:37:06 agree
1:37:06 about
1:37:07 is
1:37:08 that
1:37:09 there
1:37:09 actually
1:37:09 is
1:37:10 not
1:37:10 a
1:37:10 threat
1:37:11 of
1:37:11 an
1:37:12 aggressive
1:37:12 first
1:37:12 strike
1:37:13 by
1:37:13 Iran
1:37:14 I’m
1:37:14 a little
1:37:15 surprised
1:37:15 to hear
1:37:15 him
1:37:15 say
1:37:16 that
1:37:16 but
1:37:16 I’m
1:37:16 grateful
1:37:16 to
1:37:16 hear
1:37:16 him
1:37:17 say
1:37:17 it
1:37:17 is
1:37:17 honest
1:37:18 I
1:37:18 would
1:37:20 you
1:37:20 know
1:37:20 advise
1:37:21 you
1:37:21 for
1:37:22 you
1:37:22 may
1:37:22 be
1:37:22 unfamiliar
1:37:23 with
1:37:23 this
1:37:23 but
1:37:23 I
1:37:23 can
1:37:23 tell
1:37:24 you
1:37:25 anyone
1:37:25 in
1:37:25 America
1:37:25 who
1:37:26 drives
1:37:26 for
1:37:26 a
1:37:26 living
1:37:27 and
1:37:28 listens
1:37:28 to
1:37:28 AM
1:37:28 radio
1:37:29 have
1:37:30 heard
1:37:30 claims
1:37:30 that
1:37:31 Iran
1:37:31 was
1:37:31 making
1:37:32 nuclear
1:37:32 weapons
1:37:33 probably
1:37:34 50,000
1:37:34 times
1:37:35 in the
1:37:35 last
1:37:35 25
1:37:36 years
1:37:38 over
1:37:38 and
1:37:39 over
1:37:39 and
1:37:39 over
1:37:40 again
1:37:40 we
1:37:40 hear
1:37:40 this
1:37:41 propaganda
1:37:41 they
1:37:43 still
1:37:44 don’t
1:37:44 have
1:37:44 a
1:37:45 single
1:37:45 atom
1:37:45 bomb
1:37:46 the
1:37:46 reason
1:37:46 why
1:37:47 they
1:37:47 haven’t
1:37:47 been
1:37:47 able
1:37:47 to
1:37:48 cobbled
1:37:48 together
1:37:49 an
1:37:49 atom
1:37:49 bomb
1:37:50 in
1:37:50 this
1:37:51 1940s
1:37:51 technology
1:37:52 is
1:37:52 because
1:37:52 they
1:37:52 have
1:37:53 not
1:37:53 tried
1:37:53 to
1:37:54 okay
1:37:55 so
1:37:55 people
1:37:55 can
1:37:56 you know
1:37:56 just
1:37:57 essentially
1:37:57 flog
1:37:57 this
1:37:58 dead
1:37:58 horse
1:37:59 pretend
1:37:59 there’s
1:37:59 this
1:37:59 threat
1:38:00 oh
1:38:00 he’s
1:38:00 gonna
1:38:00 break
1:38:01 out
1:38:01 any
1:38:01 day
1:38:01 now
1:38:02 but
1:38:02 here’s
1:38:02 the
1:38:02 thing
1:38:02 about
1:38:03 that
1:38:03 as
1:38:03 the
1:38:04 Ayatollah
1:38:04 well
1:38:05 knows
1:38:06 George
1:38:07 W
1:38:07 Bush
1:38:08 Barack
1:38:08 Obama
1:38:09 Donald
1:38:09 Trump
1:38:10 Joe
1:38:10 Biden
1:38:11 and
1:38:11 now
1:38:11 Trump
1:38:11 again
1:38:12 have
1:38:12 all
1:38:13 vowed
1:38:13 with
1:38:14 all
1:38:14 sincerity
1:38:15 that
1:38:15 they
1:38:16 would
1:38:16 bomb
1:38:17 Iran
1:38:17 off
1:38:17 the
1:38:18 face
1:38:18 of
1:38:18 the
1:38:18 earth
1:38:19 if
1:38:20 they
1:38:20 attempted
1:38:21 to
1:38:21 break
1:38:22 out
1:38:22 and
1:38:22 make
1:38:22 a
1:38:23 nuclear
1:38:23 weapon
1:38:24 Hillary
1:38:24 Clinton
1:38:24 when she
1:38:24 ran
1:38:24 said
1:38:25 they’d
1:38:25 be
1:38:26 obliterated
1:38:26 from
1:38:26 the
1:38:26 face
1:38:26 of
1:38:26 the
1:38:27 earth
1:38:27 Barack
1:38:27 Obama
1:38:28 did
1:38:28 an
1:38:28 interview
1:38:28 with
1:38:29 Jeffrey
1:38:29 Goldberg
1:38:29 in
1:38:29 the
1:38:30 Atlantic
1:38:30 in
1:38:31 2012
1:38:31 called
1:38:32 as
1:38:32 president
1:38:33 I
1:38:33 don’t
1:38:34 bluff
1:38:34 and
1:38:34 essentially
1:38:35 the
1:38:35 interview
1:38:35 is
1:38:35 him
1:38:36 begging
1:38:36 Jeffrey
1:38:37 Goldberg
1:38:37 to
1:38:38 explain
1:38:38 to
1:38:38 the
1:38:38 Israelis
1:38:39 that
1:38:39 he
1:38:44 out
1:38:45 for
1:38:45 a
1:38:45 nuke
1:38:45 I’ll
1:38:46 nuke
1:38:46 him
1:38:46 if
1:38:46 I
1:38:47 have
1:38:47 to
1:38:48 he
1:38:48 didn’t
1:38:48 say
1:38:48 that
1:38:49 but
1:38:49 the
1:38:49 implication
1:38:49 was
1:38:50 no
1:38:50 US
1:38:51 president
1:38:51 ever
1:38:51 said
1:38:51 they’re
1:38:51 going
1:38:52 obliterate
1:38:52 Iran
1:38:53 Hillary
1:38:54 Clinton
1:38:54 did
1:38:55 all options
1:38:55 are on
1:38:55 the
1:38:55 table
1:38:56 anyone
1:38:56 can
1:38:56 google
1:38:57 her
1:38:57 word
1:38:57 she was
1:38:58 never
1:38:58 our
1:38:58 president
1:38:58 no I said
1:38:59 she was running
1:38:59 for president
1:39:00 but she was
1:39:00 never
1:39:00 our
1:39:00 president
1:39:01 but no
1:39:01 US
1:39:01 president
1:39:01 ever
1:39:01 said
1:39:02 they’d
1:39:02 obliterate
1:39:02 Iran
1:39:03 nobody
1:39:03 ever
1:39:03 said
1:39:03 the
1:39:04 implication
1:39:05 was
1:39:06 clear
1:39:06 under
1:39:07 W.
1:39:07 Bush
1:39:07 Barack
1:39:08 Obama
1:39:08 Trump
1:39:09 Biden
1:39:09 and
1:39:09 Trump
1:39:10 again
1:39:10 that
1:39:10 if
1:39:12 they broke
1:39:12 out
1:39:13 toward
1:39:13 a
1:39:13 nuclear
1:39:14 weapon
1:39:14 America
1:39:15 would
1:39:15 do
1:39:16 whatever
1:39:16 it
1:39:16 took
1:39:17 to
1:39:17 prevent
1:39:18 that
1:39:18 from
1:39:18 happening
1:39:19 so
1:39:19 that
1:39:21 was
1:39:21 always
1:39:21 the
1:39:22 case
1:39:22 there
1:39:22 but
1:39:23 please
1:39:23 clarify
1:39:23 just to
1:39:23 be
1:39:24 accurate
1:39:24 and
1:39:24 I’m
1:39:24 almost
1:39:25 talking
1:39:25 about
1:39:26 nuking
1:39:26 Iran
1:39:26 no one’s
1:39:27 talking
1:39:27 about
1:39:28 bombing
1:39:28 Iran
1:39:28 to
1:39:29 smithereens
1:39:29 or
1:39:30 obliterating
1:39:30 or any
1:39:30 that
1:39:31 that’s
1:39:31 really
1:39:31 not
1:39:31 true
1:39:32 I mean
1:39:32 Barack
1:39:32 Obama
1:39:33 changed
1:39:34 America’s
1:39:34 nuclear
1:39:34 posture
1:39:35 to
1:39:35 say
1:39:36 because
1:39:36 it
1:39:36 used
1:39:36 to
1:39:36 say
1:39:36 we
1:39:37 reserve
1:39:37 the
1:39:37 right
1:39:37 to
1:39:37 use
1:39:37 a
1:39:38 nuclear
1:39:38 first
1:39:38 strike
1:39:38 against
1:39:39 any
1:39:39 country
1:39:40 and
1:39:40 he
1:39:40 changed
1:39:40 that
1:39:41 to
1:39:41 say
1:39:41 no
1:39:42 we
1:39:42 promise
1:39:43 not
1:39:43 to
1:39:43 use
1:39:43 a
1:39:44 nuclear
1:39:44 first
1:39:44 strike
1:39:45 against
1:39:45 any
1:39:45 non-nuclear
1:39:46 weapon
1:39:46 state
1:39:47 except
1:39:47 maybe
1:39:48 Iran
1:39:49 okay
1:39:50 that’s
1:39:50 true
1:39:51 all right
1:39:51 and so
1:39:52 in fact
1:39:53 that was
1:39:53 the
1:39:53 threat
1:39:54 and
1:39:54 I
1:39:54 got
1:39:55 more
1:39:55 here
1:39:55 okay
1:39:57 Netanyahu
1:39:57 also
1:39:57 did
1:39:58 an
1:39:58 interview
1:39:58 with
1:39:58 Jeffrey
1:39:59 Goldberg
1:39:59 back
1:40:00 when
1:40:00 Ehud
1:40:00 Barak
1:40:01 was
1:40:01 his
1:40:01 defense
1:40:02 minister
1:40:03 in
1:40:04 I think
1:40:04 this is
1:40:04 also
1:40:05 2012
1:40:05 it might
1:40:05 have been
1:40:06 2014
1:40:07 where the
1:40:07 two of
1:40:07 them
1:40:08 explained
1:40:08 that they
1:40:09 agreed
1:40:09 with what
1:40:09 he said
1:40:10 too
1:40:10 that
1:40:11 the threat
1:40:11 is not
1:40:11 of a
1:40:11 nuclear
1:40:12 first
1:40:12 strike
1:40:13 unlike
1:40:14 every
1:40:15 AM radio
1:40:15 audience
1:40:16 has been
1:40:16 led to
1:40:17 believe
1:40:17 that the
1:40:17 Ayatollah
1:40:18 as soon
1:40:18 as he
1:40:18 gets an
1:40:19 atom bomb
1:40:20 he will
1:40:20 nuke
1:40:21 Tel Aviv
1:40:21 and he
1:40:22 doesn’t care
1:40:22 if all
1:40:22 of Persia
1:40:23 is nuked
1:40:23 by Israel’s
1:40:24 200 nukes
1:40:25 in response
1:40:25 he’s trying
1:40:26 to cause
1:40:26 the end
1:40:26 of the
1:40:27 world
1:40:28 by causing
1:40:28 a nuclear
1:40:29 war
1:40:29 and all
1:40:29 these
1:40:29 things
1:40:30 well
1:40:30 Netanyahu
1:40:31 himself
1:40:31 admitted
1:40:32 that that’s
1:40:32 not true
1:40:34 I’m just
1:40:35 agreeing with
1:40:35 you so you
1:40:35 don’t have
1:40:36 to stop
1:40:36 but I’m
1:40:36 agreeing
1:40:36 with
1:40:36 you
1:40:37 I know
1:40:37 but I’m
1:40:37 agreeing
1:40:38 with
1:40:38 you
1:40:38 so it’s
1:40:38 all right
1:40:39 so Netanyahu
1:40:41 told Jeffrey
1:40:41 Goldberg
1:40:43 that he was
1:40:44 not concerned
1:40:44 about a
1:40:45 first strike
1:40:46 that his
1:40:46 only concern
1:40:47 was that
1:40:48 talented young
1:40:48 Israelis
1:40:49 would move
1:40:49 to Miami
1:40:50 that there
1:40:50 would be
1:40:51 a brain
1:40:51 drain
1:40:53 that was
1:40:53 his words
1:40:54 a brain
1:40:54 drain
1:40:55 from Israel
1:40:56 and that
1:40:57 also then
1:40:57 Hezbollah
1:40:58 as this is
1:40:58 what he put
1:40:59 it and I
1:40:59 agree with
1:40:59 this that
1:41:00 conventional
1:41:01 forces would
1:41:01 have a bit
1:41:02 more freedom
1:41:02 of action
1:41:03 in the region
1:41:04 if Iran
1:41:04 was sitting
1:41:05 on an
1:41:05 A-bomb
1:41:06 neither
1:41:07 of them
1:41:07 said
1:41:08 that there
1:41:09 was a
1:41:09 threat
1:41:09 of an
1:41:09 offensive
1:41:10 first strike
1:41:11 against Israel
1:41:11 and I would
1:41:12 point out
1:41:12 and I’m
1:41:13 skipping ahead
1:41:13 to Trump
1:41:13 but I’m
1:41:14 skipping back
1:41:14 here again
1:41:15 in a second
1:41:15 because I got
1:41:17 more things
1:41:17 to refute
1:41:18 but Trump
1:41:18 just said
1:41:19 the other
1:41:19 day when he
1:41:19 announced
1:41:20 American
1:41:20 airstrikes
1:41:21 there
1:41:21 that this
1:41:22 has
1:41:22 neutralized
1:41:23 a threat
1:41:23 to Israel
1:41:24 he did
1:41:24 not even
1:41:25 pretend
1:41:25 that it
1:41:25 was a
1:41:25 threat
1:41:26 to the
1:41:26 United
1:41:26 States
1:41:27 that he
1:41:27 had
1:41:27 ended
1:41:28 in doing
1:41:28 so
1:41:28 actually
1:41:28 he said
1:41:29 exactly
1:41:29 that
1:41:30 well
1:41:31 actually
1:41:31 you can
1:41:31 google
1:41:32 the state
1:41:38 he announced
1:41:39 his great
1:41:39 victory
1:41:40 in bombing
1:41:41 which is
1:41:41 what I
1:41:41 just said
1:41:42 right
1:41:42 President
1:41:43 Trump
1:41:43 sends out
1:41:44 20 truth
1:41:44 posts a
1:41:45 day
1:41:45 so let’s
1:41:46 look at
1:41:47 the many
1:41:47 many
1:41:48 things
1:41:48 things
1:41:48 about
1:41:48 how
1:41:49 I
1:41:49 always
1:41:50 believe
1:41:50 Hezbollah
1:41:51 and I
1:41:52 always
1:41:52 believe
1:41:53 the
1:41:53 Ayatollah
1:41:54 when in
1:41:54 fact
1:41:54 I
1:41:55 did
1:41:55 not
1:41:55 quote
1:41:55 the
1:41:56 Ayatollah
1:41:56 and I
1:41:57 did
1:41:57 not
1:41:57 quote
1:41:58 Hezbollah
1:41:58 on anything
1:41:59 I did
1:41:59 quote
1:42:00 Osama
1:42:00 bin Laden
1:42:01 taking
1:42:02 responsibility
1:42:03 for the
1:42:03 Gopar
1:42:04 Towers
1:42:04 attack
1:42:05 which
1:42:05 he
1:42:06 shared
1:42:06 that
1:42:07 with
1:42:07 Abdelbari
1:42:08 Atwan
1:42:08 anyone
1:42:08 can
1:42:08 read
1:42:09 it
1:42:09 and
1:42:09 he
1:42:10 agrees
1:42:10 with
1:42:10 Michael
1:42:10 Scheuer
1:42:11 the
1:42:11 former
1:42:11 chief
1:42:11 of
1:42:11 the
1:42:11 CIA
1:42:12 bin
1:42:12 Laden
1:42:12 unit
1:42:13 who
1:42:13 also
1:42:18 who
1:42:18 did
1:42:18 they
1:42:19 attack
1:42:19 they
1:42:19 killed
1:42:20 19
1:42:21 American
1:42:21 airmen
1:42:22 which
1:42:22 was
1:42:22 the
1:42:22 number
1:42:23 one
1:42:24 complaint
1:42:24 of
1:42:25 Al-Qaeda
1:42:25 against
1:42:25 the
1:42:26 United
1:42:26 States
1:42:26 that
1:42:27 we
1:42:27 had
1:42:28 air
1:42:28 forces
1:42:29 and
1:42:29 armies
1:42:30 stationed
1:42:30 in
1:42:30 Saudi
1:42:30 Arabia
1:42:31 in
1:42:31 order
1:42:31 to
1:42:31 bomb
1:42:31 and
1:42:32 blockade
1:42:32 Iraq
1:42:33 which
1:42:33 again
1:42:33 this
1:42:33 was
1:42:34 the
1:42:34 thing
1:42:34 you
1:42:34 had
1:42:34 asked
1:42:34 about
1:42:35 before
1:42:35 was
1:42:35 part
1:42:36 of
1:42:36 the
1:42:36 dual
1:42:36 containment
1:42:37 policy
1:42:37 in
1:42:38 the
1:42:38 1990
1:42:38 Scott
1:42:39 you’re
1:42:39 saying
1:42:39 damn
1:42:40 wait a second
1:42:41 the fact
1:42:42 you’re
1:42:42 sitting
1:42:42 here
1:42:42 saying
1:42:51 don’t
1:42:51 trust
1:42:52 but
1:42:52 be
1:42:53 polite
1:42:53 right
1:42:54 that’s
1:42:54 what
1:42:54 he
1:42:54 meant
1:42:55 verify
1:42:55 means
1:42:56 we
1:42:56 we
1:42:57 know
1:42:57 with
1:42:57 sensors
1:42:58 and
1:42:58 cameras
1:42:58 and
1:42:59 inspections
1:42:59 what’s
1:42:59 going
1:43:00 on
1:43:00 no
1:43:00 one
1:43:01 can
1:43:01 find
1:43:01 a
1:43:02 quote
1:43:02 that
1:43:02 I
1:43:02 said
1:43:02 here
1:43:03 about
1:43:03 how
1:43:03 we
1:43:03 can
1:43:04 trust
1:43:04 the
1:43:05 Ayatollah
1:43:05 because
1:43:05 he
1:43:06 promised
1:43:06 this
1:43:06 or
1:43:06 that
1:43:06 or
1:43:07 the
1:43:07 other
1:43:07 thing
1:43:07 I
1:43:08 didn’t
1:43:08 say
1:43:08 that
1:43:09 right
1:43:09 what
1:43:09 I’m
1:43:10 talking
1:43:10 about
1:43:10 is
1:43:11 the
1:43:11 process
1:43:12 they
1:43:12 sign
1:43:12 agreements
1:43:13 and
1:43:13 then
1:43:13 we
1:43:13 have
1:43:14 inspectors
1:43:14 to
1:43:14 verify
1:43:14 their
1:43:15 claims
1:43:15 and
1:43:15 as
1:43:16 anyone
1:43:16 can
1:43:16 search
1:43:16 at
1:43:17 IAEA.org
1:43:18 they
1:43:18 have
1:43:18 continued
1:43:19 to
1:43:19 verify
1:43:19 the
1:43:20 non-diversion
1:43:21 of
1:43:21 nuclear
1:43:21 material
1:43:21 in
1:43:22 Iran
1:43:22 to
1:43:22 any
1:43:23 military
1:43:23 or
1:43:23 other
1:43:23 special
1:43:24 IAEA
1:43:24 has
1:43:24 now
1:43:24 said
1:43:25 that
1:43:25 they
1:43:25 actually
1:43:25 can
1:43:25 no
1:43:26 longer
1:43:26 do
1:43:26 this
1:43:27 before
1:43:29 this
1:43:29 war
1:43:30 started
1:43:30 so
1:43:30 I
1:43:30 mean
1:43:30 at
1:43:30 the
1:43:31 end
1:43:31 of
1:43:31 the
1:43:31 day
1:43:31 let’s
1:43:31 just
1:43:31 be
1:43:33 factually
1:43:33 accurate
1:43:34 and
1:43:34 the
1:43:34 fact
1:43:34 of
1:43:34 the
1:43:34 matter
1:43:35 is
1:43:35 anybody
1:43:35 who
1:43:35 knows
1:43:36 anything
1:43:36 about
1:43:36 nuclear
1:43:37 weapons
1:43:37 program
1:43:38 knows
1:43:38 that
1:43:38 we
1:43:38 do
1:43:38 not
1:43:39 have
1:43:39 100%
1:43:40 certainty
1:43:40 on
1:43:40 anything
1:43:40 I
1:43:41 mean
1:43:41 Scott
1:43:41 is
1:43:42 making
1:43:42 claims
1:43:42 here
1:43:43 that
1:43:43 the
1:43:44 Mossad
1:43:44 is
1:43:44 fabricating
1:43:45 the CIA
1:43:45 is
1:43:45 fabricating
1:43:46 everybody’s
1:43:46 fabricating
1:43:47 but he’s
1:43:47 also
1:43:47 assuming
1:43:48 that
1:43:48 we
1:43:48 have
1:43:48 100%
1:43:49 certainty
1:43:49 about
1:43:49 what
1:43:50 Iran
1:43:50 is
1:43:50 doing
1:43:51 inside
1:43:51 a
1:43:51 country
1:43:52 more
1:43:52 than
1:43:52 two
1:43:52 and
1:43:52 a
1:43:52 half
1:43:53 times
1:43:53 the
1:43:53 size
1:43:53 of
1:43:53 Texas
1:43:54 as
1:43:55 Scott
1:43:55 rightly
1:43:56 said
1:43:56 mountainous
1:43:57 incredibly
1:43:57 difficult
1:43:58 to
1:43:58 monitor
1:43:59 incredibly
1:43:59 difficult
1:43:59 to
1:44:00 surveil
1:44:00 they
1:44:01 built
1:44:01 underground
1:44:02 facilities
1:44:02 at
1:44:02 Natanz
1:44:03 and
1:44:03 Fordow
1:44:04 without
1:44:04 our
1:44:04 knowledge
1:44:05 they
1:44:05 didn’t
1:44:05 disclose
1:44:06 it
1:44:06 we
1:44:06 finally
1:44:07 found
1:44:07 out
1:44:07 about
1:44:07 it
1:44:10 the
1:44:10 fact
1:44:10 of
1:44:10 the
1:44:12 facilities
1:44:12 are
1:44:12 there
1:44:12 and
1:44:13 by
1:44:13 the
1:44:13 way
1:44:13 you
1:44:13 keep
1:44:13 saying
1:44:14 that
1:44:14 I
1:44:14 just
1:44:14 say
1:44:14 lies
1:44:15 lies
1:44:15 lies
1:44:15 but
1:44:15 I
1:44:16 have
1:44:16 explained
1:44:17 exactly
1:44:17 what
1:44:17 I
1:44:17 meant
1:44:18 I’ve
1:44:18 cited
1:44:18 my
1:44:19 sources
1:44:19 and
1:44:19 I
1:44:20 haven’t
1:44:20 just
1:44:20 sat
1:44:21 here
1:44:21 and
1:44:22 that’s
1:44:22 a
1:44:27 exactly
1:44:28 how
1:44:28 I
1:44:28 know
1:44:28 what
1:44:28 the
1:44:29 IAEA
1:44:29 said
1:44:30 about
1:44:30 the
1:44:31 state
1:44:31 of
1:44:31 inspections
1:44:32 here
1:44:32 or
1:44:32 what
1:44:33 Robert
1:44:34 Kelly
1:44:34 told
1:44:34 the
1:44:34 Christian
1:44:35 science
1:44:35 monitor
1:44:35 about
1:44:36 Parchin
1:44:36 and the
1:44:36 rest
1:44:37 and on
1:44:37 and on
1:44:38 and on
1:44:38 you know
1:44:38 I sit
1:44:38 here
1:44:39 like I’m
1:44:39 just
1:44:40 saying
1:44:40 well that’s
1:44:41 not true
1:44:41 because I
1:44:42 don’t like
1:44:42 it
1:44:42 when in
1:44:42 fact
1:44:42 I’m
1:44:43 explaining
1:44:43 exactly
1:44:44 why
1:44:44 your
1:44:44 claims
1:44:45 are not
1:44:45 true
1:44:45 which
1:44:46 they’re
1:44:46 not
1:44:47 just
1:44:47 like
1:44:47 saying
1:44:48 that
1:44:48 I
1:44:48 said
1:44:49 I
1:44:49 trust
1:44:50 Hezbollah
1:44:50 when
1:44:50 anyone
1:44:51 can
1:44:51 rewind
1:44:51 that
1:44:51 and
1:44:52 break
1:44:53 their
1:44:53 finger
1:44:53 trying
1:44:53 to
1:44:53 find
1:44:54 the
1:44:54 part
1:44:54 where
1:44:54 I
1:44:54 said
1:44:54 that
1:44:55 because
1:44:55 I
1:44:55 never
1:44:55 did
1:44:56 and
1:44:57 now
1:44:58 you
1:44:58 brought
1:44:58 up
1:44:59 the
1:45:00 DPRK
1:45:00 well
1:45:02 in
1:45:03 2002
1:45:03 when
1:45:04 George W.
1:45:04 Bush
1:45:05 said
1:45:05 that
1:45:05 they
1:45:05 were
1:45:05 part
1:45:05 of
1:45:05 the
1:45:05 axis
1:45:06 of
1:45:06 evil
1:45:06 they
1:45:06 were
1:45:07 part
1:45:07 of
1:45:07 the
1:45:07 NPT
1:45:08 and
1:45:08 they
1:45:08 had
1:45:08 a
1:45:09 safeguards
1:45:09 agreement
1:45:09 with
1:45:09 the
1:45:10 IAEA
1:45:11 and
1:45:12 yes
1:45:12 they
1:45:12 had
1:45:12 bought
1:45:13 centrifuge
1:45:13 equipment
1:45:13 from
1:45:14 AQ
1:45:14 Con
1:45:14 but
1:45:14 they
1:45:15 had
1:45:15 not
1:45:15 used
1:45:15 it
1:45:16 it
1:45:16 was
1:45:16 John
1:45:16 Bolton’s
1:45:17 lie
1:45:17 that
1:45:17 they
1:45:18 were
1:45:18 enriching
1:45:18 uranium
1:45:19 to
1:45:19 weapons
1:45:19 grade
1:45:19 and
1:45:20 violating
1:45:20 the
1:45:21 agreed
1:45:21 framework
1:45:22 John
1:45:22 Bolton
1:45:22 and
1:45:23 George W.
1:45:23 Bush
1:45:24 in the fall
1:45:24 of
1:45:24 2002
1:45:24 then
1:45:25 canceled
1:45:25 the
1:45:25 agreed
1:45:26 framework
1:45:26 deal
1:45:26 that
1:45:26 Bill
1:45:27 Clinton
1:45:27 had
1:45:27 struck
1:45:28 based
1:45:28 on
1:45:28 this
1:45:29 misinformation
1:45:30 they
1:45:30 added
1:45:30 new
1:45:31 sanctions
1:45:32 and
1:45:32 they
1:45:32 launched
1:45:32 what
1:45:32 was
1:45:33 called
1:45:33 the
1:45:33 proliferation
1:45:34 security
1:45:34 initiative
1:45:35 which
1:45:35 was
1:45:35 an
1:45:35 illegal
1:45:36 and
1:45:36 unilateral
1:45:37 claim
1:45:37 of the
1:45:38 authority
1:45:38 to
1:45:38 seize
1:45:38 any
1:45:39 North
1:45:39 Korean
1:45:39 ship
1:45:39 on
1:45:39 the
1:45:40 high
1:45:40 seas
1:45:40 if
1:45:40 they
1:45:41 suspected
1:45:41 of
1:45:42 proliferation
1:45:42 and
1:45:42 then
1:45:43 they
1:45:43 added
1:45:43 them
1:45:44 to
1:45:44 the
1:45:44 nuclear
1:45:45 posture
1:45:45 review
1:45:46 putting
1:45:46 them
1:45:46 on
1:45:46 the
1:45:46 short
1:45:47 list
1:45:47 for
1:45:47 a
1:45:47 potential
1:45:48 first
1:45:48 strike
1:45:48 and
1:45:48 it
1:45:49 was
1:45:49 only
1:45:49 then
1:45:50 in
1:45:51 the
1:45:51 end
1:45:51 of
1:45:52 2002
1:45:52 after
1:45:52 these
1:45:53 four or
1:45:53 five
1:45:54 major
1:45:54 things
1:45:54 that
1:45:54 the
1:45:54 Bush
1:45:55 government
1:45:55 did
1:45:56 to
1:45:56 antagonize
1:45:56 them
1:45:57 that
1:45:57 North
1:45:58 Korea
1:45:58 then
1:45:58 announced
1:45:59 that
1:45:59 they
1:45:59 were
1:45:59 going
1:45:59 to
1:45:59 withdraw
1:46:00 from
1:46:00 the
1:46:00 treaty
1:46:01 and
1:46:01 begin
1:46:01 making
1:46:02 nuclear
1:46:02 weapons
1:46:02 which
1:46:02 is
1:46:02 what
1:46:03 they
1:46:03 did
1:46:03 and
1:46:03 then
1:46:04 as
1:46:04 we
1:46:04 know
1:46:05 from
1:46:05 all
1:46:05 the
1:46:05 scientists
1:46:05 say
1:46:06 every
1:46:06 time
1:46:06 that
1:46:06 they
1:46:07 tested
1:46:07 a
1:46:07 nuclear
1:46:08 bomb
1:46:08 it’s
1:46:08 been
1:46:08 a
1:46:09 plutonium
1:46:09 bomb
1:46:10 and
1:46:10 never
1:46:10 tested
1:46:11 not
1:46:11 never
1:46:11 once
1:46:12 used
1:46:12 a
1:46:12 uranium
1:46:13 bomb
1:46:13 there’s
1:46:13 no
1:46:14 evidence
1:46:14 that
1:46:14 John
1:46:15 Bolton’s
1:46:15 claims
1:46:16 there
1:46:16 that
1:46:16 they
1:46:16 were
1:46:16 enriching
1:46:17 uranium
1:46:17 were
1:46:17 ever
1:46:17 true
1:46:18 and
1:46:18 they
1:46:18 had
1:46:19 you
1:46:19 know
1:46:19 Sig
1:46:19 Hecker
1:46:20 who’s
1:46:20 this
1:46:21 important
1:46:21 American
1:46:21 nuclear
1:46:22 expert
1:46:22 went
1:46:22 and
1:46:22 toured
1:46:22 their
1:46:23 facilities
1:46:24 and
1:46:24 all
1:46:24 of
1:46:24 these
1:46:24 things
1:46:24 and
1:46:24 so
1:46:25 we
1:46:25 know
1:46:26 quite
1:46:26 a bit
1:46:26 about
1:46:26 what
1:46:27 they
1:46:27 have
1:46:27 and
1:46:27 it
1:46:28 was
1:46:29 simply
1:46:29 Bush
1:46:30 pushed
1:46:30 North
1:46:31 Korea
1:46:31 to
1:46:31 nukes
1:46:31 as
1:46:32 Gordon
1:46:32 Prather
1:46:32 wrote
1:46:33 in
1:46:33 his
1:46:33 last
1:46:33 great
1:46:34 article
1:46:34 for
1:46:34 us
1:46:35 at
1:46:36 antiwar.com
1:46:36 and
1:46:36 it
1:46:36 was
1:46:36 through
1:46:37 this
1:46:37 exact
1:46:37 kind
1:46:37 of
1:46:38 belligerence
1:46:38 when
1:46:38 we
1:46:39 already
1:46:39 had
1:46:39 a
1:46:39 deal
1:46:40 that
1:46:40 we
1:46:40 could
1:46:41 have
1:46:42 in
1:46:43 your
1:46:44 analysis
1:46:50 constant
1:46:51 theme
1:46:51 is
1:46:51 the
1:46:52 United
1:46:52 States
1:46:53 and
1:46:53 Israel
1:46:54 and
1:46:54 the
1:46:55 West
1:46:55 we
1:46:56 constantly
1:46:57 aggress
1:46:57 against
1:46:58 North
1:46:58 Korea
1:46:59 against
1:47:00 Iran
1:47:00 against
1:47:01 Russia
1:47:02 against
1:47:02 these
1:47:03 countries
1:47:03 and
1:47:04 they
1:47:04 respond
1:47:04 to
1:47:05 us
1:47:07 in
1:47:07 ways
1:47:08 that
1:47:09 they
1:47:10 build
1:47:11 nuclear
1:47:11 weapons
1:47:12 programs
1:47:12 that
1:47:12 are
1:47:13 peaceful
1:47:13 but
1:47:13 we
1:47:14 force
1:47:14 them
1:47:15 to
1:47:15 develop
1:47:16 nuclear
1:47:16 weapons
1:47:17 they
1:47:17 don’t
1:47:17 actually
1:47:18 mean
1:47:18 to
1:47:18 kill
1:47:19 us
1:47:19 it’s
1:47:19 not
1:47:20 right
1:47:22 that
1:47:22 you’re
1:47:23 saying
1:47:23 that
1:47:23 everything
1:47:23 I
1:47:24 say
1:47:24 is
1:47:24 that
1:47:24 everyone
1:47:25 anyone
1:47:25 else
1:47:25 does
1:47:25 is
1:47:26 a
1:47:26 reaction
1:47:26 but
1:47:26 that’s
1:47:26 not
1:47:26 true
1:47:27 the
1:47:27 subject
1:47:28 here
1:47:28 is
1:47:29 what
1:47:29 has
1:47:29 America
1:47:30 done
1:47:31 to
1:47:31 make
1:47:31 things
1:47:32 worse
1:47:32 rather
1:47:32 than
1:47:33 better
1:47:33 I’m
1:47:34 citing
1:47:35 provocations
1:47:36 that
1:47:36 doesn’t
1:47:36 mean
1:47:36 I’m
1:47:37 saying
1:47:37 that
1:47:37 everything
1:47:38 that
1:47:38 happens
1:47:38 in
1:47:38 the
1:47:39 world
1:47:39 is
1:47:39 only
1:47:40 an
1:47:40 equal
1:47:40 and
1:47:40 opposite
1:47:41 reaction
1:47:41 to
1:47:41 an
1:47:42 American
1:47:42 provocation
1:47:43 and
1:47:43 you
1:47:43 can’t
1:47:43 find
1:47:43 me
1:47:44 saying
1:47:44 that
1:47:44 you
1:47:44 can
1:47:45 somehow
1:47:45 try to
1:47:46 paraphrase
1:47:46 me
1:47:47 claiming
1:47:47 that
1:47:48 somehow
1:47:48 or
1:47:48 something
1:47:48 like
1:47:48 that
1:47:49 but
1:47:49 that’s
1:47:49 what’s
1:47:49 at
1:47:50 issue
1:47:50 right
1:47:51 is
1:47:51 as I
1:47:51 said
1:47:52 for
1:47:52 example
1:47:52 there’s
1:47:53 the
1:47:53 Reuters
1:47:53 story
1:47:53 that
1:47:54 says
1:47:54 that
1:47:54 after
1:47:54 Israel
1:47:55 did
1:47:55 the
1:47:55 sabotage
1:47:56 which
1:47:56 bragged
1:47:56 about
1:47:56 at
1:47:57 Natanz
1:47:57 in
1:47:58 April
1:47:58 of
1:47:58 21
1:47:59 that
1:47:59 was
1:47:59 when
1:47:59 they
1:48:00 started
1:48:00 enriching
1:48:00 up
1:48:01 to
1:48:01 60
1:48:01 percent
1:48:02 okay
1:48:02 so
1:48:02 now
1:48:03 I’m
1:48:03 saying
1:48:03 that
1:48:03 and
1:48:03 I’m
1:48:04 just
1:48:04 denying
1:48:04 the
1:48:05 agency
1:48:05 of
1:48:05 the
1:48:06 Iranians
1:48:06 or
1:48:06 anything
1:48:06 I said
1:48:07 that
1:48:07 no
1:48:07 I’m
1:48:07 not
1:48:07 I’m
1:48:07 just
1:48:08 citing
1:48:08 the
1:48:08 Reuters
1:48:08 news
1:48:09 agency
1:48:10 saying
1:48:10 that
1:48:11 this
1:48:12 proactive
1:48:13 action
1:48:13 by
1:48:14 Israel
1:48:15 caused
1:48:15 a
1:48:15 negative
1:48:16 reaction
1:48:16 by
1:48:16 your
1:48:16 own
1:48:17 lights
1:48:17 a
1:48:17 very
1:48:18 negative
1:48:18 reaction
1:48:19 in
1:48:19 their
1:48:20 beginning
1:48:20 to
1:48:26 no
1:48:26 one
1:48:26 ever
1:48:27 does
1:48:27 anything
1:48:28 except
1:48:28 in
1:48:28 reaction
1:48:28 to
1:48:29 Israel
1:48:29 and
1:48:30 America
1:48:30 except
1:48:30 that
1:48:30 I’m
1:48:31 just
1:48:31 citing
1:48:32 specific
1:48:32 examples
1:48:33 of
1:48:33 where
1:48:33 that’s
1:48:33 exactly
1:48:34 the
1:48:34 case
1:48:34 Donald
1:48:35 Trump
1:48:35 withdrew
1:48:35 from
1:48:35 the
1:48:36 deal
1:48:36 he
1:48:36 could
1:48:36 have
1:48:36 stayed
1:48:36 in
1:48:37 the
1:48:37 deal
1:48:37 and
1:48:37 tried
1:48:37 hard
1:48:37 to
1:48:38 make
1:48:38 it
1:48:38 better
1:48:38 he
1:48:39 didn’t
1:48:39 well
1:48:39 he
1:48:40 has
1:48:40 done
1:48:41 America
1:48:41 he
1:48:41 did
1:48:42 try
1:48:42 US
1:48:42 government
1:48:43 has
1:48:43 made
1:48:44 numerous
1:48:45 mistakes
1:48:45 if
1:48:45 this
1:48:45 podcast
1:48:46 is
1:48:46 all
1:48:46 about
1:48:47 American
1:48:47 government
1:48:48 and
1:48:48 mistakes
1:48:48 that’s
1:48:48 made
1:48:49 it’s
1:48:49 a
1:48:49 huge
1:48:49 then
1:48:49 we
1:48:50 can
1:48:50 spend
1:48:50 four
1:48:50 hours
1:48:50 on
1:48:51 it
1:48:51 can
1:48:51 we
1:48:52 please
1:48:53 get
1:48:53 to
1:48:53 today
1:48:55 talk
1:48:55 about
1:48:55 use
1:48:56 everything
1:48:56 we
1:48:56 just
1:48:56 talked
1:48:56 about
1:48:57 and
1:48:57 talk
1:48:57 about
1:48:58 today
1:48:59 what
1:48:59 is
1:49:00 maybe
1:49:00 Mark
1:49:00 can
1:49:01 you
1:49:01 lay out
1:49:01 what
1:49:01 is
1:49:01 the
1:49:02 best
1:49:02 case
1:49:02 and
1:49:02 worst
1:49:02 case
1:49:05 that
1:49:05 can
1:49:06 happen
1:49:06 now
1:49:06 so
1:49:07 Lex
1:49:07 I
1:49:07 think
1:49:07 the
1:49:07 best
1:49:08 case
1:49:08 and
1:49:08 something
1:49:09 I’ve
1:49:09 advocated
1:49:10 for
1:49:10 I’ve
1:49:10 been
1:49:10 working
1:49:10 on
1:49:11 this
1:49:11 for
1:49:11 22
1:49:12 years
1:49:13 is
1:49:13 that
1:49:13 the
1:49:13 Iranians
1:49:14 return
1:49:14 to
1:49:15 negotiations
1:49:15 at
1:49:15 Oman
1:49:17 sit
1:49:17 down
1:49:17 with
1:49:17 the
1:49:17 United
1:49:18 States
1:49:18 and
1:49:19 conclude
1:49:19 an
1:49:19 agreement
1:49:20 that
1:49:21 peacefully
1:49:21 and
1:49:22 permanently
1:49:22 and
1:49:22 fully
1:49:23 dismantles
1:49:23 their
1:49:24 nuclear
1:49:24 program
1:49:25 they
1:49:25 agree
1:49:26 to
1:49:26 that
1:49:26 which
1:49:26 means
1:49:27 they
1:49:27 shut
1:49:28 down
1:49:28 any
1:49:28 remaining
1:49:29 facilities
1:49:29 they
1:49:30 give
1:49:30 up
1:49:30 all
1:49:30 the
1:49:31 remaining
1:49:31 centrifuges
1:49:32 and
1:49:32 enriched
1:49:32 material
1:49:32 that
1:49:33 they
1:49:33 could
1:49:33 use
1:49:33 to
1:49:33 develop
1:49:34 nuclear
1:49:34 weapons
1:49:35 they
1:49:35 let
1:49:35 the
1:49:36 IAEA
1:49:36 in
1:49:37 in
1:49:37 order
1:49:37 to
1:49:38 supervise
1:49:39 this
1:49:39 they
1:49:41 actually
1:49:41 commit
1:49:42 to
1:49:42 not
1:49:43 rebuilding
1:49:43 this
1:49:43 nuclear
1:49:44 program
1:49:45 and
1:49:45 we
1:49:45 commit
1:49:46 as
1:49:46 we’ve
1:49:46 done
1:49:47 with
1:49:47 23
1:49:47 other
1:49:48 countries
1:49:48 to
1:49:49 helping
1:49:49 them
1:49:50 provide
1:49:51 civilian
1:49:51 nuclear
1:49:52 energy
1:49:52 because
1:49:52 it
1:49:53 seems
1:49:53 to
1:49:53 me
1:49:54 a
1:49:54 little
1:49:55 fanciful
1:49:56 that
1:49:57 Khamenei
1:49:57 would
1:49:58 build
1:49:58 a
1:49:59 civilian
1:49:59 nuclear
1:50:00 program
1:50:01 under
1:50:01 80
1:50:01 meters
1:50:02 of
1:50:02 concrete
1:50:03 surrounded
1:50:03 by
1:50:04 rock
1:50:06 and
1:50:06 take
1:50:07 all
1:50:07 the
1:50:08 risks
1:50:08 he’s
1:50:08 taken
1:50:09 and
1:50:09 by
1:50:09 the
1:50:09 way
1:50:09 he
1:50:10 faces
1:50:10 a
1:50:10 risk
1:50:10 to
1:50:10 his
1:50:11 regime
1:50:12 spent
1:50:13 a
1:50:13 half
1:50:13 a
1:50:13 trillion
1:50:14 dollars
1:50:14 to
1:50:14 do
1:50:15 this
1:50:15 when
1:50:15 it
1:50:16 makes
1:50:16 no
1:50:17 commercial
1:50:17 sense
1:50:18 but
1:50:18 let’s
1:50:19 take him
1:50:19 at his
1:50:19 word
1:50:20 that he
1:50:20 wants
1:50:20 civilian
1:50:21 nuclear
1:50:21 energy
1:50:21 let’s
1:50:22 build
1:50:22 it
1:50:22 for him
1:50:23 as long
1:50:23 as there’s
1:50:23 no
1:50:24 enrichment
1:50:26 or reprocessing
1:50:26 that gives
1:50:26 him the
1:50:27 key
1:50:27 capabilities
1:50:28 that he
1:50:28 could
1:50:28 if he
1:50:29 decides
1:50:29 to build
1:50:30 nuclear
1:50:30 weapons
1:50:30 that seems
1:50:31 to me
1:50:31 a
1:50:31 thoughtful
1:50:33 approach
1:50:34 I think
1:50:34 Scott would
1:50:35 probably agree
1:50:35 with it
1:50:36 proliferation
1:50:36 proof
1:50:37 he can’t
1:50:37 build
1:50:37 nuclear
1:50:38 weapons
1:50:38 and we
1:50:39 can do
1:50:39 this
1:50:41 what can
1:50:42 Trump do
1:50:42 to help
1:50:43 make that
1:50:43 happen
1:50:44 I think
1:50:44 what he
1:50:45 can do
1:50:45 is he
1:50:46 can say
1:50:46 to the
1:50:47 Iranians
1:50:47 look I
1:50:47 made you
1:50:48 that offer
1:50:48 last time
1:50:49 you
1:50:50 rejected
1:50:50 it
1:50:51 now that
1:50:51 offer is
1:50:52 no longer
1:50:52 on the
1:50:52 table
1:50:53 because that
1:50:53 offer gave
1:50:53 you
1:50:54 enrichment
1:50:54 equipment
1:50:55 now
1:50:55 temporarily
1:50:56 but I
1:50:56 now see
1:50:57 the game
1:50:57 that you
1:50:57 would have
1:50:57 played
1:50:58 when I
1:50:58 left
1:50:59 office
1:51:00 to turn
1:51:00 that
1:51:00 enrichment
1:51:02 capability
1:51:03 into
1:51:03 nuclear
1:51:03 weapons
1:51:03 so
1:51:05 that
1:51:05 deal
1:51:05 is
1:51:05 off
1:51:05 the
1:51:06 table
1:51:06 but here’s
1:51:07 the deal
1:51:07 that’s
1:51:07 on the
1:51:07 table
1:51:07 it’s
1:51:08 a
1:51:08 one
1:51:08 page
1:51:08 deal
1:51:09 you
1:51:10 give
1:51:10 up
1:51:10 your
1:51:10 nuclear
1:51:11 capabilities
1:51:12 we
1:51:12 help
1:51:13 you
1:51:13 build
1:51:14 civilian
1:51:14 nuclear
1:51:14 energy
1:51:15 I
1:51:15 think
1:51:15 that’s
1:51:16 best
1:51:16 case
1:51:17 I
1:51:17 think
1:51:18 worst
1:51:18 case
1:51:19 is
1:51:20 that
1:51:21 the
1:51:21 Iranians
1:51:22 do
1:51:22 what
1:51:22 they’ve
1:51:22 unfortunately
1:51:23 been
1:51:23 doing
1:51:24 and rejecting
1:51:25 these
1:51:25 deals
1:51:26 and
1:51:26 holding
1:51:27 firm
1:51:27 that
1:51:27 they
1:51:28 want
1:51:28 to
1:51:28 retain
1:51:28 this
1:51:29 enrichment
1:51:29 capability
1:51:30 and
1:51:30 the
1:51:31 only
1:51:31 reason
1:51:31 they
1:51:31 want
1:51:31 to
1:51:32 retain
1:51:32 enrichment
1:51:32 capability
1:51:33 is
1:51:33 their
1:51:33 option
1:51:33 to
1:51:34 develop
1:51:34 nuclear
1:51:34 weapons
1:51:35 otherwise
1:51:35 they
1:51:35 can
1:51:35 have
1:51:36 civilian
1:51:36 energy
1:51:37 tomorrow
1:51:37 makes
1:51:38 much
1:51:38 more
1:51:38 commercial
1:51:39 sense
1:51:39 to do
1:51:39 that
1:51:40 and
1:51:40 the
1:51:40 entire
1:51:41 international
1:51:41 community
1:51:42 would
1:51:42 help
1:51:42 them
1:51:42 and
1:51:42 pay
1:51:42 for
1:51:43 that
1:51:44 I
1:51:44 worry
1:51:44 that
1:51:44 they’re
1:51:45 going
1:51:45 to
1:51:45 just
1:51:45 remain
1:51:46 intransigent
1:51:46 at
1:51:47 the
1:51:47 negotiating
1:51:47 table
1:51:48 and I
1:51:48 think
1:51:49 if
1:51:49 they
1:51:49 do
1:51:49 that
1:51:50 then
1:51:50 what
1:51:50 I
1:51:50 worry
1:51:51 that
1:51:51 they’re
1:51:51 going
1:51:51 to
1:51:51 do
1:51:52 is
1:51:52 whatever
1:51:52 remaining
1:51:53 capabilities
1:51:54 they have
1:51:54 left
1:51:55 they’ll
1:51:55 bide
1:51:55 their
1:51:56 time
1:51:57 they’ll
1:51:57 wait
1:51:57 for the
1:51:58 opportunity
1:51:58 maybe
1:51:58 it’s
1:51:58 not
1:51:59 now
1:51:59 maybe
1:51:59 it’s
1:51:59 Trump’s
1:52:00 gone
1:52:00 and
1:52:00 they
1:52:01 will
1:52:01 rebuild
1:52:01 this
1:52:02 nuclear
1:52:02 weapons
1:52:03 program
1:52:04 and
1:52:04 they’ll
1:52:04 be
1:52:04 then
1:52:05 inviting
1:52:06 further
1:52:07 strikes
1:52:08 further
1:52:08 war
1:52:09 and
1:52:10 further
1:52:10 suffering
1:52:11 and
1:52:11 I
1:52:11 worry
1:52:11 that
1:52:12 that
1:52:12 is
1:52:13 the
1:52:13 worst
1:52:13 case
1:52:13 and
1:52:14 by
1:52:14 the
1:52:14 way
1:52:14 as part
1:52:14 of
1:52:14 that
1:52:14 worst
1:52:15 case
1:52:15 in
1:52:15 retaining
1:52:15 the
1:52:16 capabilities
1:52:17 the
1:52:18 extra
1:52:18 worst
1:52:18 case
1:52:19 is
1:52:19 they
1:52:19 take
1:52:19 those
1:52:20 capabilities
1:52:20 and
1:52:20 they
1:52:20 go
1:52:20 for
1:52:20 a
1:52:21 nuclear
1:52:21 bomb
1:52:22 now
1:52:22 if
1:52:22 Scott’s
1:52:22 right
1:52:23 and
1:52:23 the
1:52:24 regime
1:52:24 has
1:52:24 never
1:52:24 had
1:52:24 any
1:52:25 desire
1:52:30 is
1:52:31 been
1:52:31 fabricated
1:52:31 all
1:52:32 of
1:52:32 this
1:52:32 has
1:52:32 been
1:52:33 result
1:52:33 of
1:52:33 U.S.
1:52:33 and
1:52:34 Israeli
1:52:36 intelligence
1:52:37 mendacity
1:52:38 and we
1:52:38 don’t have
1:52:38 to worry
1:52:39 about a
1:52:39 nuclear
1:52:39 weapon
1:52:39 I
1:52:40 personally
1:52:40 worry
1:52:41 about
1:52:41 it
1:52:41 knowing
1:52:41 this
1:52:42 regime
1:52:43 looking
1:52:43 at
1:52:44 two
1:52:44 and a
1:52:44 half
1:52:45 decades
1:52:45 of
1:52:46 nuclear
1:52:46 deception
1:52:47 I
1:52:47 worry
1:52:48 that
1:52:48 they
1:52:48 want
1:52:48 to
1:52:48 retain
1:52:48 those
1:52:49 capabilities
1:52:50 and
1:52:50 at
1:52:50 time
1:52:50 of
1:52:51 their
1:52:51 choosing
1:52:52 develop
1:52:53 a
1:52:53 nuclear
1:52:53 bomb
1:52:53 so
1:52:53 I
1:52:54 think
1:52:54 if
1:52:54 you’re
1:52:54 responsible
1:52:55 and
1:52:56 you’re
1:52:56 trying
1:52:56 to
1:52:56 think
1:52:56 through
1:53:01 an
1:53:02 possibility
1:53:02 and
1:53:02 you’ve
1:53:02 got to
1:53:02 try
1:53:03 to
1:53:03 mitigate
1:53:03 that
1:53:04 at
1:53:04 the
1:53:05 negotiating
1:53:05 table
1:53:06 through
1:53:06 a
1:53:06 full
1:53:07 dismantlement
1:53:07 deal
1:53:08 or
1:53:10 it’s
1:53:10 the
1:53:10 least
1:53:13 good
1:53:13 option
1:53:14 for sure
1:53:15 is
1:53:15 you’re
1:53:15 going to
1:53:15 have to
1:53:16 go back
1:53:16 in
1:53:16 there
1:53:17 either
1:53:17 the
1:53:17 Israelis
1:53:19 and
1:53:19 or
1:53:19 the
1:53:19 United
1:53:19 States
1:53:20 and
1:53:20 you’re
1:53:20 going to
1:53:20 have
1:53:20 to
1:53:21 continue
1:53:21 to
1:53:22 use
1:53:22 both
1:53:23 covert
1:53:23 action
1:53:24 and
1:53:24 air
1:53:24 power
1:53:25 to
1:53:25 destroy
1:53:26 those
1:53:26 capabilities
1:53:26 can
1:53:26 I
1:53:27 just
1:53:27 even
1:53:28 dig
1:53:28 in
1:53:28 further
1:53:29 on the
1:53:29 worst
1:53:29 case
1:53:29 do
1:53:29 you
1:53:30 think
1:53:30 it’s
1:53:30 possible
1:53:30 to
1:53:30 have
1:53:31 where
1:53:32 U.S.
1:53:33 gets
1:53:33 pulled
1:53:33 into
1:53:34 a
1:53:34 feet
1:53:35 on
1:53:35 the
1:53:35 ground
1:53:36 full
1:53:36 on
1:53:37 war
1:53:37 with
1:53:37 Iran
1:53:39 I
1:53:39 think
1:53:39 one
1:53:39 must
1:53:39 never
1:53:40 dismiss
1:53:40 possibilities
1:53:41 because
1:53:41 as I
1:53:41 said
1:53:42 you’ve
1:53:42 got to
1:53:42 plan
1:53:43 against
1:53:43 worst
1:53:44 case
1:53:44 options
1:53:45 and I
1:53:45 think
1:53:45 that’s
1:53:45 what
1:53:45 the
1:53:45 Israel
1:53:46 lobby
1:53:46 has
1:53:46 in
1:53:46 store
1:53:46 for
1:53:47 you
1:53:47 guys
1:53:49 American
1:53:49 lives
1:53:49 mean
1:53:50 nothing
1:53:50 to
1:53:50 the
1:53:51 Israel
1:53:51 first
1:53:51 do
1:53:51 they
1:53:52 don’t
1:53:52 care
1:53:52 that
1:53:52 Israel
1:53:53 motivated
1:53:53 September
1:53:54 11th
1:53:54 and killed
1:53:55 3,000
1:53:55 of our
1:53:55 guys
1:53:56 at the
1:53:56 airport
1:53:56 yesterday
1:53:57 had a
1:53:57 big
1:53:57 American
1:53:58 flag
1:53:58 with all
1:53:59 the red
1:53:59 and white
1:53:59 stripes
1:54:00 made out
1:54:00 of the
1:54:00 names
1:54:00 of the
1:54:01 dead
1:54:01 of
1:54:01 September
1:54:02 11th
1:54:02 who
1:54:02 were killed
1:54:03 by people
1:54:03 motivated
1:54:04 by Israel’s
1:54:05 crimes
1:54:05 in
1:54:06 Palestine
1:54:06 and in
1:54:06 Lebanon
1:54:08 and enforcing
1:54:09 Bill Clinton’s
1:54:09 dual
1:54:10 containment
1:54:10 policy
1:54:11 from
1:54:12 Saudi
1:54:12 Arabia
1:54:12 they
1:54:12 don’t
1:54:13 care
1:54:13 about
1:54:13 that
1:54:13 they
1:54:13 don’t
1:54:14 care
1:54:14 about
1:54:15 4,500
1:54:15 Americans
1:54:15 who
1:54:16 died
1:54:16 in
1:54:16 Iraq
1:54:16 War
1:54:16 II
1:54:17 or
1:54:17 the
1:54:17 million
1:54:18 something
1:54:18 people
1:54:18 who
1:54:19 died
1:54:19 in
1:54:19 Iraq
1:54:19 War
1:54:19 II
1:54:19 the
1:54:20 half
1:54:20 a
1:54:20 million
1:54:20 in
1:54:21 Syria
1:54:21 as
1:54:22 long
1:54:22 as
1:54:23 the
1:54:23 Shiite
1:54:24 crescent
1:54:24 somehow
1:54:24 is
1:54:25 limited
1:54:25 they’ll
1:54:25 even
1:54:26 celebrate
1:54:27 openly
1:54:27 I don’t
1:54:27 know
1:54:27 about
1:54:27 him
1:54:28 but
1:54:28 I
1:54:28 know
1:54:28 Ben
1:54:28 Shapiro
1:54:29 and
1:54:29 many
1:54:29 other
1:54:29 leaders
1:54:30 of
1:54:30 the
1:54:30 Israel
1:54:30 lobby
1:54:30 in
1:54:31 America
1:54:32 celebrated
1:54:32 the
1:54:33 overthrow
1:54:33 of Bashar
1:54:34 al-Assad
1:54:35 in Syria
1:54:36 by
1:54:36 Abu
1:54:37 Mohammed
1:54:37 al-Jolani
1:54:38 the
1:54:38 leader
1:54:39 of
1:54:39 al-Qaeda
1:54:39 in
1:54:40 Iraq
1:54:40 in
1:54:40 Syria
1:54:41 why
1:54:41 because
1:54:41 he’s
1:54:41 not
1:54:41 a
1:54:42 Shiite
1:54:42 he’s
1:54:42 not
1:54:42 an
1:54:43 Alawite
1:54:43 friends
1:54:44 with
1:54:44 the
1:54:44 Shiites
1:54:44 and
1:54:44 friends
1:54:45 with
1:54:45 Iran
1:54:45 and
1:54:45 friends
1:54:46 with
1:54:46 Hezbollah
1:54:46 and
1:54:47 so
1:54:47 that’s
1:54:47 good
1:54:47 for
1:54:48 Israel
1:54:48 even
1:54:48 though
1:54:49 it’s
1:54:49 the
1:54:49 worst
1:54:49 thing
1:54:49 you
1:54:50 could
1:54:50 possibly
1:54:50 imagine
1:54:51 for
1:54:51 the
1:54:52 United
1:54:52 States
1:54:52 of
1:54:52 America
1:54:53 those
1:54:53 sworn
1:54:54 loyal
1:54:54 to
1:54:54 Osama
1:54:54 bin
1:54:55 Laden
1:54:55 and
1:54:55 Iman
1:54:56 al-Zawahiri
1:54:57 ruling
1:54:57 Damascus
1:54:58 now
1:54:58 their
1:54:59 own
1:54:59 ISIS
1:55:00 caliphate
1:55:00 in
1:55:00 our
1:55:01 era
1:55:01 and
1:55:02 this
1:55:02 is
1:55:02 why
1:55:02 they
1:55:02 always
1:55:03 pretend
1:55:03 they
1:55:04 go
1:55:04 oh
1:55:04 you
1:55:04 know
1:55:04 over
1:55:05 there
1:55:05 the
1:55:05 Muslims
1:55:05 the
1:55:05 terrorists
1:55:06 greatest
1:55:06 state
1:55:07 sponsors
1:55:07 of
1:55:07 terrorism
1:55:09 it’s
1:55:10 al-Qaeda
1:55:10 that
1:55:10 threatens
1:55:10 the
1:55:11 United
1:55:11 States
1:55:11 of
1:55:12 America
1:55:12 it
1:55:12 wasn’t
1:55:13 Hezbollah
1:55:13 that
1:55:13 knocked
1:55:13 those
1:55:14 towers
1:55:14 down
1:55:15 and
1:55:15 they
1:55:15 have
1:55:16 us
1:55:16 siding
1:55:17 with
1:55:17 our
1:55:18 enemies
1:55:18 against
1:55:24 42nd
1:55:24 Airborne
1:55:24 in
1:55:25 there
1:55:25 whether
1:55:26 Americans
1:55:26 are
1:55:26 going
1:55:26 to
1:55:26 have
1:55:26 to
1:55:26 do
1:55:27 a
1:55:27 regime
1:55:28 change
1:55:28 in
1:55:28 Tehran
1:55:28 I
1:55:29 wish
1:55:29 you’d
1:55:29 listen
1:55:29 and
1:55:30 not
1:55:30 put
1:55:31 words
1:55:31 in
1:55:31 my
1:55:31 mouth
1:55:32 I
1:55:33 heard
1:55:33 what
1:55:33 he
1:55:33 said
1:55:33 I
1:55:34 forced
1:55:34 them
1:55:35 to
1:55:35 say
1:55:35 what
1:55:36 the
1:55:36 worst
1:55:36 case
1:55:37 possibility
1:55:38 of
1:55:38 a
1:55:38 full
1:55:38 on
1:55:39 invasion
1:55:39 as
1:55:40 a
1:55:40 thought
1:55:40 experiment
1:55:41 and
1:55:41 you
1:55:41 can
1:55:41 let
1:55:41 him
1:55:42 finish
1:55:42 that
1:55:42 as
1:55:42 opposed
1:55:42 to
1:55:43 making
1:55:43 accusations
1:55:44 let’s
1:55:44 just
1:55:44 minimize
1:55:45 both
1:55:45 ways
1:55:46 accusations
1:55:46 please
1:55:47 let’s
1:55:47 just
1:55:47 talk
1:55:47 about
1:55:47 the
1:55:48 ideas
1:55:48 that’s
1:55:49 the
1:55:49 most
1:55:49 charitable
1:55:50 interpretation
1:55:50 of
1:55:50 those
1:55:51 ideas
1:55:52 I’m
1:55:52 from
1:55:52 the
1:55:52 United
1:55:52 States
1:55:53 of
1:55:53 America
1:55:53 unlike
1:55:54 him
1:55:54 and
1:55:54 I
1:55:54 care
1:55:54 about
1:55:54 the
1:55:55 future
1:55:55 of
1:55:55 this
1:55:55 country
1:55:56 unlike
1:55:56 him
1:55:57 who’s
1:55:57 here
1:55:57 to
1:55:57 serve
1:55:57 a
1:55:58 foreign
1:55:58 power
1:55:59 and
1:55:59 make
1:55:59 their
1:56:00 case
1:56:00 at
1:56:00 our
1:56:01 expense
1:56:01 Scott
1:56:03 and next
1:56:03 you’re
1:56:03 going to
1:56:03 say
1:56:04 that
1:56:04 I’m
1:56:04 an
1:56:05 American
1:56:06 you’re
1:56:06 just
1:56:07 hosting
1:56:07 the
1:56:07 show
1:56:07 I
1:56:08 don’t
1:56:08 know
1:56:08 seems
1:56:08 like
1:56:08 you’re
1:56:09 trying
1:56:09 to
1:56:09 be
1:56:09 fair
1:56:10 but
1:56:11 he
1:56:12 has
1:56:12 an
1:56:12 agenda
1:56:13 he’s
1:56:13 from
1:56:13 the
1:56:13 FDD
1:56:14 stop
1:56:15 it’s
1:56:15 not
1:56:16 about
1:56:16 being
1:56:16 fair
1:56:17 the
1:56:17 implication
1:56:18 here
1:56:19 is
1:56:19 somebody
1:56:19 is
1:56:20 un-American
1:56:20 because
1:56:20 where
1:56:20 they’re
1:56:21 from
1:56:21 I
1:56:21 didn’t
1:56:21 say
1:56:22 anyone
1:56:22 who’s
1:56:23 not
1:56:23 from
1:56:23 here
1:56:23 I’m
1:56:24 talking
1:56:24 about
1:56:24 him
1:56:25 okay
1:56:26 I
1:56:26 think
1:56:26 that’s
1:56:26 a
1:56:27 really
1:56:28 deeply
1:56:28 disrespectful
1:56:29 accusation
1:56:30 I’m
1:56:30 going to
1:56:30 ask you
1:56:31 does it
1:56:31 bother
1:56:31 you
1:56:31 that
1:56:32 when
1:56:32 Naftali
1:56:33 Bennett
1:56:34 bombed
1:56:34 a
1:56:34 UN
1:56:35 shelter
1:56:35 full of
1:56:36 106
1:56:36 women
1:56:36 and
1:56:36 children
1:56:37 in
1:56:37 Lebanon
1:56:38 in
1:56:39 1996
1:56:39 that
1:56:39 that’s
1:56:40 what
1:56:40 motivated
1:56:41 Mohammed
1:56:41 Atta
1:56:43 to join
1:56:43 al-Qaeda
1:56:43 and attack
1:56:44 our towers
1:56:44 I came to
1:56:44 this country
1:56:45 22 years
1:56:45 ago
1:56:46 I became
1:56:46 a proud
1:56:47 U.S.
1:56:47 citizen
1:56:48 10 years
1:56:48 ago
1:56:48 I’m
1:56:49 proud
1:56:49 to be
1:56:49 an
1:56:49 American
1:56:50 and
1:56:51 accusing
1:56:51 me
1:56:52 or
1:56:52 Lex
1:56:53 or any
1:56:53 immigrants
1:56:54 to this
1:56:54 country
1:56:54 of not
1:56:54 being
1:56:55 un-American
1:56:55 is
1:56:55 deeply
1:56:56 offensive
1:56:56 so
1:56:56 let me
1:56:57 answer
1:56:57 Lex’s
1:56:57 question
1:56:58 Lex
1:56:58 let’s
1:56:58 get back
1:56:58 to
1:56:58 your
1:56:59 question
1:56:59 because
1:56:59 I
1:57:00 think
1:57:00 it’s
1:57:00 an
1:57:00 important
1:57:01 question
1:57:01 what
1:57:01 are
1:57:02 the
1:57:02 chain
1:57:02 of
1:57:02 events
1:57:02 that
1:57:03 could
1:57:03 lead
1:57:04 500,000
1:57:04 mechanized
1:57:04 U.S.
1:57:05 troops
1:57:05 to have
1:57:05 to
1:57:05 invade
1:57:06 Iran
1:57:06 which
1:57:06 would
1:57:06 be
1:57:07 a
1:57:07 disaster
1:57:07 and
1:57:08 that’s
1:57:08 something
1:57:08 we
1:57:08 never
1:57:08 want
1:57:08 to
1:57:09 see
1:57:09 again
1:57:09 that’s
1:57:09 one
1:57:09 of
1:57:09 the
1:57:10 lessons
1:57:10 of
1:57:11 Iraq
1:57:11 and
1:57:11 I
1:57:11 think
1:57:12 Scott
1:57:12 has
1:57:12 done
1:57:12 a
1:57:12 good
1:57:12 job
1:57:13 over
1:57:13 the
1:57:13 years
1:57:14 in
1:57:15 demonstrating
1:57:16 that
1:57:16 we
1:57:16 don’t
1:57:16 want
1:57:16 to
1:57:16 do
1:57:16 that
1:57:17 again
1:57:17 so
1:57:18 is
1:57:18 there
1:57:18 such
1:57:19 a
1:57:20 scenario
1:57:21 I
1:57:21 think
1:57:21 one
1:57:21 must
1:57:21 never
1:57:21 rule
1:57:22 it
1:57:22 out
1:57:22 because
1:57:22 there
1:57:23 is
1:57:23 a
1:57:23 scenario
1:57:24 for
1:57:24 example
1:57:25 where
1:57:26 the
1:57:26 regime
1:57:27 collapses
1:57:28 and
1:57:28 the
1:57:29 regime
1:57:29 collapses
1:57:29 and
1:57:30 there’s
1:57:30 chaos
1:57:31 inside
1:57:31 Iran
1:57:32 not
1:57:32 suggesting
1:57:33 that’ll
1:57:33 happen
1:57:33 there
1:57:33 are
1:57:33 a
1:57:33 whole
1:57:34 bunch
1:57:34 of
1:57:34 scenarios
1:57:34 maybe
1:57:34 we
1:57:39 but
1:57:39 you
1:57:40 could
1:57:40 see
1:57:40 a
1:57:40 scenario
1:57:40 where
1:57:41 the
1:57:41 United
1:57:41 States
1:57:41 would
1:57:41 have
1:57:41 to
1:57:42 go
1:57:42 in
1:57:42 there
1:57:42 in
1:57:42 order
1:57:42 to
1:57:43 try
1:57:43 to
1:57:43 secure
1:57:45 military
1:57:46 and
1:57:46 nuclear
1:57:47 and
1:57:47 missile
1:57:48 assets
1:57:49 so
1:57:49 that
1:57:49 it
1:57:49 doesn’t
1:57:49 end
1:57:49 at
1:57:50 the
1:57:50 hands
1:57:50 of
1:57:51 warring
1:57:53 factional
1:57:53 and
1:57:53 ethnic
1:57:54 groups
1:57:54 that
1:57:54 Scott
1:57:55 referred
1:57:55 to
1:57:55 because
1:57:55 again
1:57:55 as
1:57:56 he’s
1:57:56 rightly
1:57:56 pointed
1:57:57 out
1:57:58 Iran
1:57:58 is
1:57:58 not
1:57:58 Persia
1:57:59 can’t
1:57:59 the
1:58:00 IDF
1:58:00 handle
1:58:00 it
1:58:01 so
1:58:01 can
1:58:01 I
1:58:02 just
1:58:02 finish
1:58:02 just
1:58:03 who
1:58:03 can
1:58:03 handle
1:58:05 I
1:58:05 think
1:58:05 that
1:58:06 it’s
1:58:06 a
1:58:06 potential
1:58:07 scenario
1:58:07 which
1:58:07 is
1:58:07 why
1:58:07 I
1:58:07 don’t
1:58:08 think
1:58:08 anybody
1:58:08 should
1:58:09 be
1:58:09 advocating
1:58:10 for
1:58:11 a
1:58:11 US
1:58:12 decapitation
1:58:13 of
1:58:13 the
1:58:13 regime
1:58:13 in
1:58:13 Iran
1:58:14 I
1:58:14 have
1:58:14 long
1:58:15 been
1:58:16 on
1:58:16 record
1:58:16 as
1:58:16 supporting
1:58:16 the
1:58:17 Iranian
1:58:17 people
1:58:18 providing
1:58:19 support
1:58:19 to
1:58:19 the
1:58:19 Iranian
1:58:20 people
1:58:20 to
1:58:20 at
1:58:20 one
1:58:21 point
1:58:21 take
1:58:21 back
1:58:21 their
1:58:22 country
1:58:22 and
1:58:22 take
1:58:22 back
1:58:22 their
1:58:23 flag
1:58:23 it’s
1:58:23 very
1:58:24 much
1:58:24 sort
1:58:24 of
1:58:24 Reagan
1:58:25 strategy
1:58:25 that
1:58:25 Reagan
1:58:25 ran
1:58:25 in
1:58:25 the
1:58:26 Cold
1:58:27 war
1:58:27 of
1:58:28 maximum
1:58:28 pressure
1:58:28 on
1:58:28 the
1:58:29 regime
1:58:29 maximum
1:58:30 support
1:58:30 for
1:58:31 anti-Soviet
1:58:31 dissidents
1:58:31 while
1:58:32 by the
1:58:32 way
1:58:32 he
1:58:32 was
1:58:33 negotiating
1:58:33 arms
1:58:33 control
1:58:33 agreements
1:58:34 for
1:58:34 the
1:58:34 Soviet
1:58:34 Union
1:58:35 in
1:58:35 order
1:58:35 to
1:58:35 try
1:58:36 reduce
1:58:36 the
1:58:36 number
1:58:36 of
1:58:37 nuclear
1:58:37 tipped
1:58:38 ICBMs
1:58:38 that
1:58:38 both
1:58:39 countries
1:58:39 had
1:58:39 pointed
1:58:40 at
1:58:40 each
1:58:40 other
1:58:40 so
1:58:41 I
1:58:41 think
1:58:41 the
1:58:41 Reagan
1:58:42 strategy
1:58:42 of
1:58:42 providing
1:58:43 support
1:58:43 to
1:58:43 the
1:58:43 people
1:58:44 is
1:58:44 a
1:58:44 far
1:58:44 better
1:58:45 strategy
1:58:45 for
1:58:46 trying
1:58:46 to
1:58:46 get
1:58:47 transition
1:58:48 leadership
1:58:48 transition
1:58:49 government
1:58:50 transition
1:58:50 inside
1:58:51 Iran
1:58:51 but
1:58:51 I
1:58:51 think
1:58:51 the
1:58:52 scenario
1:58:52 of
1:58:53 decapitation
1:58:54 strikes
1:58:54 killing
1:58:54 Khamenei
1:58:55 taking
1:58:55 out
1:58:55 the
1:58:55 entire
1:58:56 government
1:58:57 could
1:58:57 potentially
1:58:57 lead
1:58:58 to
1:58:58 that
1:58:58 scenario
1:58:58 and
1:58:58 I
1:58:58 think
1:58:58 we
1:58:59 have
1:58:59 to
1:58:59 be
1:59:00 conscious
1:59:00 of
1:59:00 that
1:59:01 we
1:59:01 have
1:59:01 to
1:59:01 guard
1:59:01 against
1:59:02 that
1:59:02 I
1:59:03 think
1:59:03 Scott’s
1:59:03 right
1:59:04 if
1:59:04 a
1:59:05 scenario
1:59:05 happened
1:59:05 like
1:59:06 that
1:59:06 I
1:59:07 think
1:59:07 the
1:59:08 Israelis
1:59:08 have
1:59:08 demonstrated
1:59:09 extraordinary
1:59:10 capabilities
1:59:11 and they
1:59:11 could go
1:59:11 in there
1:59:12 and they
1:59:12 could
1:59:12 secure
1:59:13 loose
1:59:14 nuclear
1:59:14 materials
1:59:15 that you
1:59:15 would
1:59:15 be
1:59:15 worried
1:59:16 could
1:59:16 be
1:59:18 fashion
1:59:18 for
1:59:18 nuclear
1:59:19 weapons
1:59:19 Scott
1:59:20 doesn’t
1:59:20 seem
1:59:20 to
1:59:20 worry
1:59:20 about
1:59:20 these
1:59:21 materials
1:59:21 I
1:59:21 worry
1:59:21 about
1:59:22 these
1:59:22 materials
1:59:22 and
1:59:23 capabilities
1:59:23 in the
1:59:23 hands
1:59:24 of
1:59:24 anybody
1:59:25 because
1:59:25 they’re
1:59:25 all
1:59:26 capabilities
1:59:26 that
1:59:26 just
1:59:26 the
1:59:27 physics
1:59:27 of
1:59:27 it
1:59:27 you
1:59:27 can
1:59:28 produce
1:59:28 nuclear
1:59:28 weapons
1:59:29 so
1:59:30 best
1:59:30 case
1:59:31 scenario
1:59:32 negotiation
1:59:33 we
1:59:33 fully
1:59:33 dismantle
1:59:33 their
1:59:34 program
1:59:34 in
1:59:34 Amman
1:59:35 worst
1:59:36 case
1:59:36 scenario
1:59:37 is
1:59:37 having
1:59:38 to
1:59:38 return
1:59:39 for
1:59:39 continued
1:59:40 military
1:59:41 strikes
1:59:41 that
1:59:42 continue
1:59:42 to
1:59:43 escalate
1:59:43 the
1:59:43 situation
1:59:44 worst
1:59:44 worst
1:59:45 situation
1:59:45 some
1:59:45 kind
1:59:45 of
1:59:46 decapitation
1:59:46 strike
1:59:47 that
1:59:47 collapses
1:59:48 the
1:59:48 regime
1:59:48 and
1:59:49 causes
1:59:49 chaos
1:59:50 there
1:59:50 are
1:59:50 a whole
1:59:50 bunch
1:59:50 of
1:59:50 other
1:59:51 scenarios
1:59:51 we
1:59:51 can
1:59:51 talk
1:59:52 about
1:59:52 that
1:59:52 are
1:59:52 embedded
1:59:53 in
1:59:53 that
1:59:53 but
1:59:53 I
1:59:54 think
1:59:54 if
1:59:54 you’re
1:59:54 a
1:59:54 responsible
1:59:55 person
1:59:55 and
1:59:55 a
1:59:56 responsible
1:59:56 analyst
1:59:56 and
1:59:57 certainly
1:59:57 you’re
1:59:57 a
1:59:57 responsible
1:59:58 policy
1:59:58 maker
1:59:59 you’ve
1:59:59 got to
1:59:59 be
1:59:59 planning
1:59:59 for
2:00:00 all
2:00:00 of
2:00:00 these
2:00:00 scenarios
2:00:01 and
2:00:01 more
2:00:02 Scott
2:00:02 what do
2:00:02 you
2:00:02 think
2:00:02 is
2:00:02 the
2:00:03 best
2:00:03 case
2:00:03 and
2:00:03 worst
2:00:04 case
2:00:04 here
2:00:05 well
2:00:05 the
2:00:05 best
2:00:05 case
2:00:06 scenario
2:00:06 is
2:00:06 that
2:00:07 we
2:00:07 quit
2:00:07 right
2:00:07 now
2:00:08 and
2:00:08 that
2:00:08 we
2:00:10 Trump
2:00:10 figures
2:00:10 out
2:00:10 a
2:00:10 way
2:00:11 to
2:00:12 reorder
2:00:12 some
2:00:12 paragraphs
2:00:13 and
2:00:13 get
2:00:14 back
2:00:14 in
2:00:14 something
2:00:15 like
2:00:15 the
2:00:16 JCPOA
2:00:16 which
2:00:16 was
2:00:17 also
2:00:17 signed
2:00:17 with the
2:00:17 rest
2:00:18 UN
2:00:18 security
2:00:18 council
2:00:19 power
2:00:19 can
2:00:19 ask
2:00:19 you
2:00:20 like
2:00:20 is
2:00:21 JCPOA
2:00:21 is
2:00:21 a
2:00:21 pretty
2:00:21 good
2:00:22 approximation
2:00:22 of
2:00:22 what
2:00:23 would
2:00:23 be
2:00:23 a
2:00:23 good
2:00:23 deal
2:00:24 pretty
2:00:24 good
2:00:24 it
2:00:24 could
2:00:24 have
2:00:25 been
2:00:25 better
2:00:25 as I
2:00:25 said
2:00:26 at
2:00:26 the
2:00:26 beginning
2:00:26 Trump
2:00:26 could
2:00:27 have
2:00:27 gone
2:00:27 in
2:00:27 there
2:00:27 and
2:00:27 tried
2:00:27 to
2:00:28 negotiate
2:00:29 a
2:00:29 better
2:00:30 result
2:00:30 with
2:00:30 the
2:00:30 sunset
2:00:31 provisions
2:00:31 on
2:00:31 some
2:00:31 of
2:00:31 those
2:00:32 things
2:00:32 but
2:00:34 the
2:00:35 concept
2:00:35 that
2:00:35 America
2:00:36 is
2:00:36 going
2:00:36 to
2:00:36 insist
2:00:37 on
2:00:37 zero
2:00:37 enrichment
2:00:38 zero
2:00:38 nuclear
2:00:39 program
2:00:39 whatsoever
2:00:48 it’s
2:00:48 a
2:00:49 poison
2:00:49 pill
2:00:49 it’s
2:00:49 meant
2:00:50 to
2:00:50 fail
2:00:50 just
2:00:51 like
2:00:51 it
2:00:51 was
2:00:51 a
2:00:52 poison
2:00:52 pill
2:00:52 meant
2:00:53 to
2:00:53 destroy
2:00:53 the
2:00:53 talks
2:00:54 here
2:00:54 good
2:00:54 enough
2:00:55 to
2:00:55 start
2:00:55 a
2:00:55 war
2:00:56 again
2:00:56 as I
2:00:57 quoted
2:00:57 from
2:00:58 earlier
2:01:00 he
2:01:00 said
2:01:01 on
2:01:01 on TV
2:01:01 last
2:01:02 week
2:01:02 well
2:01:03 America
2:01:03 has
2:01:03 to
2:01:03 take
2:01:04 out
2:01:04 Fordo
2:01:04 now
2:01:04 because
2:01:05 now
2:01:05 they’re
2:01:05 more
2:01:06 likely
2:01:06 to
2:01:06 break
2:01:06 out
2:01:07 towards
2:01:07 a
2:01:07 nuke
2:01:07 I
2:01:07 think
2:01:08 that’s
2:01:08 exactly
2:01:09 right
2:01:09 so
2:01:10 there
2:01:10 still
2:01:11 is
2:01:11 or
2:01:12 there’s
2:01:12 strong
2:01:13 reason
2:01:20 to
2:01:21 point
2:01:21 of
2:01:21 fact
2:01:22 sort
2:01:22 of
2:01:22 interesting
2:01:23 we’ll
2:01:23 see
2:01:23 on the
2:01:23 battle
2:01:24 damage
2:01:24 assessment
2:01:24 but
2:01:24 they
2:01:25 actually
2:01:25 think
2:01:25 the
2:01:26 facility
2:01:26 was
2:01:26 destroyed
2:01:26 and
2:01:27 that
2:01:27 the
2:01:28 sensitive
2:01:29 centrifuges
2:01:29 were
2:01:30 destroyed
2:01:30 so
2:01:30 just
2:01:31 interesting
2:01:31 for
2:01:31 the
2:01:31 viewers
2:01:32 and
2:01:32 it
2:01:33 may
2:01:33 be
2:01:33 premature
2:01:34 all
2:01:34 the
2:01:34 uranium
2:01:36 mines
2:01:36 and
2:01:37 all
2:01:37 the
2:01:37 aluminum
2:01:38 smelters
2:01:38 so
2:01:38 that
2:01:38 they
2:01:38 can’t
2:01:38 make
2:01:39 any
2:01:39 more
2:01:40 centrifuges
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2:07:47 because
2:07:47 they
2:07:47 didn’t
2:07:47 want
2:07:47 to
2:07:48 revisit
2:07:48 the
2:07:48 agreement
2:07:49 we
2:07:49 knew
2:07:49 from
2:07:50 we
2:07:50 knew
2:07:50 the
2:07:50 Iranians
2:07:51 were
2:07:51 completely
2:07:51 opposed
2:07:52 and
2:07:52 there
2:07:52 was
2:07:52 no
2:07:52 way
2:07:52 they
2:07:52 were
2:07:52 going
2:08:00 to
2:08:00 that
2:08:01 point
2:08:01 that
2:08:02 President
2:08:02 Trump
2:08:02 decided
2:08:02 to
2:08:03 withdraw
2:08:03 from
2:08:03 the
2:08:04 agreement
2:08:04 but
2:08:05 what
2:08:05 I’m
2:08:05 asking
2:08:05 you
2:08:05 is
2:08:06 if
2:08:06 say
2:08:07 you
2:08:07 were
2:08:07 the
2:08:07 national
2:08:08 security
2:08:08 advisor
2:08:09 under
2:08:10 the
2:08:11 JCPOA
2:08:11 where
2:08:11 they’re
2:08:12 still
2:08:12 shipping
2:08:12 all
2:08:12 their
2:08:13 enriched
2:08:13 uranium
2:08:13 out
2:08:13 of
2:08:14 the
2:08:14 country
2:08:14 and
2:08:14 all
2:08:14 that
2:08:15 which
2:08:15 you
2:08:15 would
2:08:16 be
2:08:16 advising
2:08:16 him
2:08:17 to
2:08:17 not
2:08:17 leave
2:08:18 in
2:08:18 the
2:08:19 negotiations
2:08:19 to
2:08:20 improve
2:08:20 the
2:08:20 deal
2:08:21 would
2:08:21 you
2:08:21 have
2:08:21 been
2:08:22 willing
2:08:22 to
2:08:22 accept
2:08:23 some
2:08:23 level
2:08:23 of
2:08:24 enrichment
2:08:24 then
2:08:25 as
2:08:25 long
2:08:25 as
2:08:25 we’re
2:08:26 still
2:08:26 we
2:08:26 have
2:08:26 the
2:08:27 restriction
2:08:27 part
2:08:28 where
2:08:28 they’re
2:08:28 shipping
2:08:28 it
2:08:28 all
2:08:29 out
2:08:29 of
2:08:29 the
2:08:29 country
2:08:29 or
2:08:30 to
2:08:30 you
2:08:30 enrichment
2:08:31 at
2:08:31 all
2:08:31 is
2:08:32 always
2:08:32 a
2:08:32 red
2:08:33 line
2:08:33 essentially
2:08:34 equivalent
2:08:34 to
2:08:34 them
2:08:35 being
2:08:36 99%
2:08:36 of the
2:08:36 way
2:08:37 to
2:08:37 a
2:08:37 nuclear
2:08:37 weapon
2:08:38 look
2:08:39 enrichment
2:08:39 capability
2:08:40 is
2:08:40 a
2:08:40 red
2:08:40 line
2:08:40 it
2:08:41 has
2:08:41 to
2:08:41 be
2:08:41 a
2:08:41 red
2:08:42 line
2:08:42 and
2:08:42 even
2:08:43 though
2:08:43 you
2:08:43 know
2:08:43 it’s
2:08:43 protected
2:08:44 by
2:08:44 the
2:08:44 NPT
2:08:44 the
2:08:45 right
2:08:45 to
2:08:45 peace
2:08:45 for
2:08:45 nuclear
2:08:46 technology
2:08:46 they call
2:08:46 it a
2:08:47 loophole
2:08:47 but
2:08:48 they have
2:08:48 the right
2:08:49 to enrich
2:08:49 uranium
2:08:49 as
2:08:49 there’s
2:08:50 different
2:08:50 interpretations
2:08:51 of everything
2:08:52 including
2:08:52 agreements
2:08:54 there is
2:08:54 a
2:08:56 raging
2:08:57 debate
2:08:57 about
2:08:58 whether
2:08:58 the
2:08:58 NPT
2:08:59 actually
2:08:59 gives you
2:09:00 a right
2:09:00 to
2:09:00 enrich
2:09:00 in fact
2:09:00 the
2:09:01 Obama
2:09:01 administration
2:09:02 even
2:09:02 with
2:09:02 the
2:09:03 JCPOA
2:09:03 was not
2:09:04 willing
2:09:04 to
2:09:04 recognize
2:09:05 Iran’s
2:09:06 right
2:09:06 to
2:09:06 enrich
2:09:07 but
2:09:07 they
2:09:07 were
2:09:07 willing
2:09:08 to
2:09:08 recognize
2:09:08 its
2:09:09 de facto
2:09:10 reality
2:09:10 that they
2:09:10 were
2:09:11 enriching
2:09:14 Iran
2:09:14 is a
2:09:15 member
2:09:15 of
2:09:15 it
2:09:16 and
2:09:16 it
2:09:16 is
2:09:16 supposed
2:09:16 to
2:09:17 promote
2:09:18 peaceful
2:09:19 civilian
2:09:19 nuclear
2:09:20 energy
2:09:21 and
2:09:21 it’s
2:09:21 supposed
2:09:21 to
2:09:21 prevent
2:09:22 countries
2:09:22 from
2:09:22 developing
2:09:23 nuclear
2:09:23 weapons
2:09:23 I think
2:09:24 that’s
2:09:24 a
2:09:25 basic
2:09:25 summary
2:09:25 of it
2:09:25 and
2:09:26 it
2:09:26 mandates
2:09:27 that
2:09:27 non-nuclear
2:09:27 weapon
2:09:28 states
2:09:29 have
2:09:29 a
2:09:29 safeguards
2:09:30 agreement
2:09:30 with
2:09:30 the
2:09:31 IAEA
2:09:33 and
2:09:33 full of
2:09:33 additional
2:09:34 protocols
2:09:34 and
2:09:34 whatever
2:09:35 they
2:09:35 have
2:09:35 the
2:09:35 right
2:09:36 to
2:09:36 expect
2:09:36 well
2:09:36 no
2:09:37 they
2:09:37 had
2:09:37 an
2:09:37 additional
2:09:38 protocol
2:09:38 that
2:09:38 they
2:09:38 were
2:09:38 abiding
2:09:39 not
2:09:39 even
2:09:39 enriching
2:09:39 at
2:09:40 all
2:09:40 while
2:09:40 they
2:09:40 were
2:09:41 negotiating
2:09:41 with
2:09:41 the
2:09:41 E3
2:09:42 and
2:09:42 then
2:09:42 what
2:09:42 the
2:09:43 JCPOA
2:09:43 really
2:09:44 did
2:09:44 was
2:09:44 add
2:09:44 a
2:09:45 bunch
2:09:45 of
2:09:45 additional
2:09:46 protocols
2:09:46 and
2:09:47 subsidiary
2:09:47 arrangements
2:09:48 and
2:09:48 agreements
2:09:48 to
2:09:49 ratify
2:09:49 the
2:09:49 additional
2:09:49 protocol
2:09:49 I
2:10:09 while
2:10:09 they
2:10:09 were
2:10:10 negotiating
2:10:10 with
2:10:10 the
2:10:10 E3
2:10:11 in
2:10:11 the
2:10:12 W.
2:10:12 Bush
2:10:12 years
2:10:12 before
2:10:13 they
2:10:13 even
2:10:13 started
2:10:14 spinning
2:10:14 centrifuges
2:10:15 at
2:10:15 the
2:10:15 You
2:10:16 asked
2:10:16 me
2:10:16 what
2:10:16 I
2:10:16 would
2:10:17 advise
2:10:17 the
2:10:17 national
2:10:17 security
2:10:18 advisor
2:10:18 of the
2:10:18 United
2:10:18 States
2:10:18 or
2:10:19 if
2:10:19 I
2:10:19 was
2:10:19 the
2:10:19 national
2:10:19 security
2:10:20 advisor
2:10:20 of the
2:10:20 United
2:10:20 States
2:10:20 which
2:10:21 I
2:10:21 guess
2:10:21 I
2:10:21 can’t
2:10:21 be
2:10:21 because
2:10:22 I’m
2:10:22 a
2:10:22 foreigner
2:10:22 but
2:10:23 the
2:10:23 fact
2:10:23 of the
2:10:23 matter
2:10:24 is
2:10:24 I
2:10:24 think
2:10:24 you
2:10:24 could
2:10:24 still
2:10:25 be
2:10:25 national
2:10:25 security
2:10:26 advisor
2:10:27 I
2:10:28 think
2:10:28 he
2:10:28 was
2:10:28 taking
2:10:28 a
2:10:28 shot
2:10:29 back
2:10:29 at
2:10:29 the
2:10:29 fact
2:10:29 that
2:10:29 you
2:10:30 took
2:10:30 a
2:10:30 shot
2:10:31 you
2:10:31 know
2:10:31 what
2:10:31 Lex
2:10:31 I
2:10:32 think
2:10:32 that
2:10:32 you
2:10:32 probably
2:10:32 would
2:10:33 recognize
2:10:33 that
2:10:33 there
2:10:33 are
2:10:34 many
2:10:34 people
2:10:34 who
2:10:34 lobby
2:10:35 for
2:10:35 Israel’s
2:10:36 interests
2:10:36 in
2:10:36 the
2:10:36 United
2:10:36 States
2:10:37 who
2:10:37 clearly
2:10:37 don’t
2:10:38 care
2:10:38 that
2:10:38 much
2:10:39 about
2:10:39 what
2:10:40 happens
2:10:40 to
2:10:40 the
2:10:40 United
2:10:41 States
2:10:41 of
2:10:41 America
2:10:42 in
2:10:43 it
2:10:43 as
2:10:43 a
2:10:44 consequence
2:10:45 because
2:10:45 they
2:10:46 care
2:10:46 about
2:10:46 Israel
2:10:46 which
2:10:46 is
2:10:47 a
2:10:47 different
2:10:48 country
2:10:48 than
2:10:48 America
2:10:49 right
2:10:49 it’s
2:10:49 not
2:10:50 part
2:10:50 of
2:10:50 I
2:10:50 think
2:10:51 an
2:10:51 American
2:10:52 citizen
2:10:53 cares
2:10:53 primarily
2:10:54 about
2:10:54 America
2:10:55 that is
2:10:55 fundamental
2:10:56 belief
2:10:56 for me
2:10:57 to make
2:10:57 an
2:10:57 accusation
2:10:58 that they
2:10:58 don’t
2:10:58 requires
2:10:59 a
2:10:59 very
2:11:00 large
2:11:00 amount
2:11:00 of
2:11:01 proof
2:11:01 for
2:11:02 each
2:11:02 individual
2:11:03 I
2:11:03 don’t
2:11:03 care
2:11:03 that
2:11:04 American
2:11:04 and
2:11:05 Israel’s
2:11:05 interests
2:11:06 are
2:11:06 the
2:11:06 same
2:11:07 requires
2:11:07 a
2:11:08 tremendous
2:11:08 amount
2:11:08 of
2:11:09 cognitive
2:11:10 dissonance
2:11:10 by
2:11:11 those
2:11:11 who
2:11:11 support
2:11:12 Israel’s
2:11:12 interests
2:11:13 they say
2:11:14 they’re not
2:11:14 the same
2:11:15 sponsor of
2:11:15 terror
2:11:15 as
2:11:16 though
2:11:16 Iran
2:11:17 has
2:11:17 anything
2:11:18 to do
2:11:18 with
2:11:19 anti-American
2:11:20 terrorists
2:11:20 I
2:11:20 don’t
2:11:20 know
2:11:21 who
2:11:21 is
2:11:21 the
2:11:21 they
2:11:22 that
2:11:22 we’re
2:11:22 talking
2:11:22 about
2:11:23 but I
2:11:23 believe
2:11:24 American
2:11:25 citizens
2:11:26 care about
2:11:27 America
2:11:27 first
2:11:29 they may
2:11:29 discuss
2:11:29 other
2:11:30 nations
2:11:30 and the
2:11:31 interests
2:11:31 in the
2:11:32 Middle East
2:11:32 or in
2:11:33 Europe
2:11:35 and those
2:11:35 interests
2:11:36 might align
2:11:36 with their
2:11:36 own
2:11:37 worldview
2:11:37 whatever
2:11:38 but when
2:11:39 it comes
2:11:39 at the
2:11:39 end of
2:11:40 the
2:11:40 day
2:11:40 if
2:11:41 everybody
2:11:41 starts
2:11:41 a war
2:11:41 with
2:11:42 everybody
2:11:42 else
2:11:43 they’re
2:11:43 America
2:11:43 first
2:11:44 I’m
2:11:45 America
2:11:45 first
2:11:46 if there’s
2:11:46 a war
2:11:46 that breaks
2:11:47 out
2:11:47 and we
2:11:48 have to
2:11:48 pick up
2:11:48 guns
2:11:48 I’m
2:11:49 fighting
2:11:49 for
2:11:49 America
2:11:50 I’ll
2:11:50 take
2:11:50 them
2:11:50 on a
2:11:50 case
2:11:51 by
2:11:51 case
2:11:51 basis
2:11:52 I know
2:11:53 immigrants
2:11:54 who are
2:11:54 absolutely
2:11:55 super
2:11:56 patriots
2:11:56 who know
2:11:57 American
2:11:57 history
2:11:58 and love
2:11:58 and care
2:11:58 about
2:11:58 America
2:11:59 more than
2:11:59 their
2:11:59 next door
2:12:00 neighbors
2:12:01 were from
2:12:01 here
2:12:01 but that
2:12:02 ain’t
2:12:02 universal
2:12:03 okay
2:12:04 sure
2:12:04 let’s
2:12:05 talk about
2:12:05 case
2:12:05 by case
2:12:05 then
2:12:06 that’s
2:12:06 fine
2:12:06 I think
2:12:07 he’s
2:12:08 clearly
2:12:08 accusing
2:12:09 me
2:12:09 worse
2:12:09 war
2:12:10 with
2:12:10 Iran
2:12:10 he
2:12:10 was
2:12:11 entertaining
2:12:12 the possibility
2:12:12 of putting
2:12:12 ground
2:12:13 troops
2:12:13 in there
2:12:14 don’t
2:12:14 take
2:12:14 personal
2:12:15 shots
2:12:16 either
2:12:16 of you
2:12:16 you’ve
2:12:17 taken
2:12:17 personal
2:12:17 shots
2:12:18 let’s
2:12:18 not
2:12:18 do
2:12:18 it
2:12:19 you guys
2:12:19 are
2:12:19 just
2:12:19 having
2:12:20 fun
2:12:22 let me
2:12:22 respond
2:12:22 he said
2:12:23 there’s
2:12:23 a threat
2:12:25 from
2:12:26 Iranian
2:12:26 missiles
2:12:26 to
2:12:27 America’s
2:12:27 bases
2:12:28 in the
2:12:28 Middle
2:12:28 East
2:12:29 yeah
2:12:29 because
2:12:29 of
2:12:29 Israel
2:12:30 and
2:12:30 because
2:12:30 of
2:12:30 this
2:12:31 war
2:12:32 the first
2:12:32 time
2:12:32 Iran
2:12:33 ever
2:12:33 fired
2:12:33 missiles
2:12:34 at an
2:12:34 American
2:12:34 base
2:12:34 over there
2:12:35 was
2:12:35 in
2:12:36 response
2:12:37 to
2:12:37 Trump
2:12:38 bombing
2:12:38 them
2:12:38 it’s
2:12:38 never
2:12:39 Iran’s
2:12:39 fault
2:12:39 is that
2:12:40 what
2:12:40 everybody
2:12:40 thinks
2:12:41 it was
2:12:42 Iran
2:12:42 who
2:12:42 started
2:12:43 this
2:12:43 let’s
2:12:43 bring
2:12:43 it
2:12:44 back
2:12:44 Scott
2:12:45 Scott
2:12:46 it’s
2:12:46 remarkable
2:12:47 to me
2:12:47 I want
2:12:48 to reiterate
2:12:48 this
2:12:49 and then
2:12:49 Iran
2:12:50 shot
2:12:50 missiles
2:12:51 at
2:12:51 Qatar
2:12:52 and
2:12:52 Iraq
2:12:53 Scott
2:12:53 you’re
2:12:53 a
2:12:53 patriotic
2:12:54 American
2:12:55 God
2:12:55 bless
2:12:55 you
2:12:56 God
2:12:56 bless
2:12:56 the
2:12:56 United
2:12:57 States
2:12:57 thank
2:12:58 you
2:12:58 for
2:12:58 allowing
2:12:58 me
2:12:58 to
2:12:58 come
2:12:59 to
2:12:59 this
2:12:59 country
2:12:59 and
2:13:00 become
2:13:00 an
2:13:00 American
2:13:00 it’s
2:13:01 a
2:13:01 great
2:13:01 country
2:13:02 and
2:13:02 as
2:13:02 a
2:13:03 patriotic
2:13:03 American
2:13:04 I
2:13:05 assume
2:13:06 that
2:13:06 the
2:13:07 United
2:13:07 States
2:13:07 government
2:13:08 and
2:13:08 the
2:13:08 United
2:13:08 States
2:13:09 intelligence
2:13:09 community
2:13:09 and
2:13:09 the
2:13:10 United
2:13:10 States
2:13:10 military
2:13:12 has
2:13:12 America’s
2:13:13 best
2:13:13 interest
2:13:13 at
2:13:14 heart
2:13:14 however
2:13:15 we
2:13:15 have
2:13:15 learned
2:13:16 from
2:13:16 the
2:13:16 history
2:13:16 and
2:13:17 Scott
2:13:17 done
2:13:17 a
2:13:17 very
2:13:17 good
2:13:18 job
2:13:18 of
2:13:18 detailing
2:13:19 this
2:13:19 during
2:13:19 the
2:13:19 Iraq
2:13:20 war
2:13:20 that
2:13:21 the
2:13:21 United
2:13:21 States
2:13:22 gets
2:13:22 it
2:13:22 wrong
2:13:23 I
2:13:24 don’t
2:13:24 think
2:13:24 the
2:13:24 United
2:13:24 States
2:13:25 lied
2:13:25 us
2:13:25 into
2:13:25 war
2:13:26 but
2:13:26 the
2:13:26 United
2:13:26 States
2:13:27 got
2:13:27 it
2:13:27 wrong
2:13:27 so
2:13:27 I
2:13:27 think
2:13:28 Scott’s
2:13:28 right
2:13:28 we
2:13:29 must
2:13:29 make
2:13:29 sure
2:13:29 that
2:13:29 we
2:13:30 learn
2:13:30 the
2:13:30 lessons
2:13:30 of
2:13:31 Iraq
2:13:31 but
2:13:32 not
2:13:32 over
2:13:32 learn
2:13:32 the
2:13:32 lessons
2:13:33 of
2:13:33 Iraq
2:13:33 I
2:13:33 would
2:13:33 also
2:13:34 say
2:13:34 this
2:13:34 there
2:13:35 are
2:13:35 many
2:13:35 lobby
2:13:36 organizations
2:13:36 in
2:13:36 the
2:13:36 United
2:13:37 States
2:13:37 there
2:13:37 is
2:13:37 the
2:13:37 China
2:13:38 lobby
2:13:38 there
2:13:38 is
2:13:38 the
2:13:39 oil
2:13:39 lobby
2:13:40 there
2:13:40 is
2:13:40 the
2:13:41 pharmaceutical
2:13:41 lobby
2:13:42 there
2:13:42 is
2:13:42 the
2:13:42 Qatar
2:13:43 lobby
2:13:43 I
2:13:43 live
2:13:43 in
2:13:44 Washington
2:13:44 I
2:13:44 see
2:13:44 all
2:13:45 these
2:13:45 lobby
2:13:46 organizations
2:13:46 okay
2:13:47 fact of
2:13:47 the
2:13:47 matter
2:13:48 is
2:13:48 the
2:13:49 pro
2:13:49 Israel
2:13:49 lobby
2:13:50 which
2:13:50 actually
2:13:51 lobbies
2:13:51 in
2:13:51 support
2:13:51 of
2:13:52 the
2:13:52 U.S.-Israel
2:13:53 relationship
2:13:53 is
2:13:54 comprised
2:13:54 of
2:13:54 tens
2:13:54 of
2:13:55 millions
2:13:56 of
2:13:56 Christians
2:13:56 and
2:13:57 Jews
2:13:57 and
2:13:58 Hindus
2:13:58 and
2:13:58 yes
2:13:59 Muslims
2:14:00 who
2:14:00 believe
2:14:01 strongly
2:14:01 in
2:14:01 a
2:14:01 strong
2:14:02 U.S.-Israel
2:14:02 relationships
2:14:03 the
2:14:03 reason
2:14:03 that
2:14:04 relationship
2:14:04 has
2:14:04 been
2:14:04 so
2:14:05 strong
2:14:05 over
2:14:05 so
2:14:05 many
2:14:06 years
2:14:06 and
2:14:06 that
2:14:07 this
2:14:07 quote
2:14:07 lobby
2:14:08 has
2:14:08 been
2:14:08 so
2:14:08 successful
2:14:09 is
2:14:09 they’re
2:14:10 pushing
2:14:10 through
2:14:10 an
2:14:10 open
2:14:11 door
2:14:11 with
2:14:11 policymakers
2:14:12 not
2:14:12 because
2:14:13 some
2:14:14 nefarious
2:14:14 money
2:14:15 influence
2:14:15 but
2:14:15 because
2:14:16 at
2:14:16 the
2:14:16 end
2:14:16 of
2:14:16 the
2:14:16 day
2:14:16 the
2:14:16 interests
2:14:17 align
2:14:17 we
2:14:18 counter
2:14:18 terrorism
2:14:19 together
2:14:19 we
2:14:20 counter
2:14:20 nuclear
2:14:21 proliferation
2:14:21 together
2:14:22 and
2:14:22 we
2:14:22 believe
2:14:22 that
2:14:22 the
2:14:23 U.S.-Israel
2:14:23 relationship
2:14:24 is
2:14:24 a
2:14:24 strong
2:14:24 relationship
2:14:25 and
2:14:25 these
2:14:26 accusations
2:14:26 of
2:14:27 dual
2:14:27 loyalty
2:14:27 and
2:14:27 these
2:14:28 accusations
2:14:28 of
2:14:29 Israel
2:14:29 firsters
2:14:29 that
2:14:30 Scott’s
2:14:30 thrown
2:14:30 around
2:14:31 I
2:14:31 think
2:14:32 distract us
2:14:32 from the
2:14:32 conversation
2:14:33 which I
2:14:33 think we
2:14:33 should
2:14:34 return
2:14:34 to
2:14:35 let’s
2:14:35 talk
2:14:35 about
2:14:36 today
2:14:36 we’ve
2:14:36 talked
2:14:36 about
2:14:37 best
2:14:37 case
2:14:37 scenarios
2:14:38 we’ve
2:14:38 talked
2:14:39 about
2:14:40 worst
2:14:40 case
2:14:40 scenarios
2:14:41 and
2:14:41 we
2:14:41 talked
2:14:41 about
2:14:42 really
2:14:42 worst
2:14:42 case
2:14:43 scenarios
2:14:43 so
2:14:43 I
2:14:43 think
2:14:44 let’s
2:14:44 talk
2:14:44 about
2:14:45 the
2:14:45 way
2:14:45 forward
2:14:45 and
2:14:46 I’d
2:14:46 be
2:14:46 interested
2:14:46 in
2:14:46 hearing
2:14:47 from
2:14:47 Scott
2:14:47 where
2:14:48 he
2:14:48 thinks
2:14:48 we’re
2:14:48 going
2:14:49 and
2:14:49 I’m
2:14:49 certainly
2:14:50 I
2:14:51 don’t
2:14:51 crystal ball
2:14:51 these
2:14:52 things
2:14:52 it’s
2:14:52 always
2:14:52 difficult
2:14:52 to
2:14:53 predict
2:14:53 but
2:14:54 I
2:14:54 think
2:14:55 President
2:14:55 Trump
2:14:55 has
2:14:55 done
2:14:57 a
2:14:57 really
2:14:57 good
2:14:58 job
2:14:58 he has
2:14:58 led
2:14:59 this
2:15:00 right
2:15:00 he
2:15:00 has
2:15:00 not
2:15:01 been
2:15:01 you
2:15:01 know
2:15:02 the
2:15:03 at
2:15:03 the
2:15:03 beck and
2:15:04 call
2:15:04 of
2:15:04 Bibi
2:15:05 Netanyahu
2:15:05 or
2:15:06 Mohammed
2:15:06 bin
2:15:06 Salman
2:15:06 of
2:15:07 Saudi
2:15:07 Arabia
2:15:07 or
2:15:08 anyone
2:15:08 else
2:15:08 he
2:15:08 has
2:15:09 led
2:15:09 this
2:15:09 effort
2:15:09 he
2:15:09 has
2:15:10 made
2:15:10 these
2:15:10 decisions
2:15:11 this
2:15:11 is
2:15:11 a
2:15:11 man
2:15:12 who
2:15:12 throughout
2:15:12 his
2:15:13 entire
2:15:13 career
2:15:14 and
2:15:14 not
2:15:14 just
2:15:14 his
2:15:15 political
2:15:15 career
2:15:15 but
2:15:15 many
2:15:16 years
2:15:17 before
2:15:17 that
2:15:18 believed
2:15:18 that
2:15:18 an
2:15:18 Iranian
2:15:19 nuclear
2:15:19 weapon
2:15:20 was
2:15:20 a
2:15:20 threat
2:15:20 to
2:15:20 the
2:15:20 United
2:15:21 States
2:15:21 of
2:15:21 America
2:15:22 not
2:15:22 just
2:15:22 to
2:15:23 our
2:15:23 allies
2:15:23 but
2:15:23 the
2:15:23 United
2:15:24 States
2:15:24 of
2:15:24 America
2:15:24 and
2:15:24 he’s
2:15:24 been
2:15:25 very
2:15:25 clear
2:15:25 on
2:15:26 record
2:15:26 he
2:15:26 led
2:15:27 this
2:15:27 campaign
2:15:27 since
2:15:28 he
2:15:28 started
2:15:28 in
2:15:28 January
2:15:29 he
2:15:29 offered
2:15:30 negotiations
2:15:31 he
2:15:31 got
2:15:31 rebuffed
2:15:31 by
2:15:32 the
2:15:32 Iranians
2:15:32 in
2:15:32 Oman
2:15:33 he
2:15:33 put
2:15:34 pressure
2:15:34 on
2:15:34 the
2:15:34 regime
2:15:35 economically
2:15:36 he
2:15:36 continued
2:15:36 to
2:15:37 offer
2:15:38 negotiations
2:15:38 he
2:15:39 offered
2:15:39 a
2:15:39 very
2:15:39 good
2:15:40 something
2:15:40 that
2:15:40 I
2:15:40 thought
2:15:40 was
2:15:41 flawed
2:15:42 I
2:15:42 mean
2:15:43 Lex
2:15:43 I
2:15:43 gotta
2:15:43 tell
2:15:43 you
2:15:43 the
2:15:44 offer
2:15:44 in
2:15:44 Oman
2:15:45 that
2:15:45 he
2:15:45 gave
2:15:46 to
2:15:46 the
2:15:46 Iranians
2:15:46 I
2:15:46 thought
2:15:47 it
2:15:47 was
2:15:47 flawed
2:15:47 because
2:15:48 I
2:15:48 think
2:15:48 it
2:15:48 allowed
2:15:48 Iran
2:15:49 to
2:15:49 retain
2:15:49 this
2:15:49 key
2:15:50 enrichment
2:15:50 capability
2:15:51 the
2:15:51 Iranians
2:15:52 turned
2:15:52 it
2:15:52 down
2:15:53 and
2:15:53 I
2:15:53 think
2:15:54 Khamenei
2:15:54 to
2:15:55 his
2:15:55 everlasting
2:15:56 regret
2:16:02 they
2:16:03 deserve
2:16:03 and
2:16:04 yet
2:16:04 I
2:16:04 rejected
2:16:05 it
2:16:05 why
2:16:05 did
2:16:05 I
2:16:06 reject
2:16:06 it
2:16:06 because
2:16:07 now
2:16:07 look
2:16:07 what’s
2:16:07 happened
2:16:07 in
2:16:07 the
2:16:08 past
2:16:08 12
2:16:08 days
2:16:09 you
2:16:09 know
2:16:09 I’ve
2:16:09 lost
2:16:10 Fordow
2:16:11 mostly
2:16:11 we’ll
2:16:11 see
2:16:11 what
2:16:11 happens
2:16:11 on
2:16:12 the
2:16:12 BDA
2:16:12 the
2:16:13 battle
2:16:13 damage
2:16:13 assessment
2:16:14 I’ve
2:16:14 certainly
2:16:14 lost
2:16:15 Natanz
2:16:16 I’ve
2:16:17 lost
2:16:17 my
2:16:17 conversion
2:16:18 facility
2:16:18 at
2:16:19 Isfahan
2:16:19 which
2:16:20 converts
2:16:24 yellow
2:16:25 cake
2:16:25 into
2:16:25 uranium
2:16:26 hexafluoride
2:16:27 to pump
2:16:27 into
2:16:27 centrifuge
2:16:28 and
2:16:28 the
2:16:28 most
2:16:28 important
2:16:28 thing
2:16:29 I
2:16:29 lost
2:16:29 at
2:16:32 enriched
2:16:33 uranium
2:16:34 and
2:16:34 turns
2:16:34 it
2:16:34 into
2:16:35 uranium
2:16:35 metal
2:16:36 without
2:16:36 uranium
2:16:36 metal
2:16:36 they
2:16:36 don’t
2:16:37 have
2:16:37 any
2:16:38 90%
2:16:38 enriched
2:16:38 uranium
2:16:39 he
2:16:39 just
2:16:39 means
2:16:40 hypothetically
2:16:41 if they
2:16:41 did
2:16:41 have
2:16:41 some
2:16:42 you
2:16:42 know
2:16:43 the
2:16:44 60%
2:16:44 that’s
2:16:45 99%
2:16:45 of the
2:16:45 way
2:16:45 to
2:16:46 90%
2:16:46 enriched
2:16:46 uranium
2:16:47 by the
2:16:47 way
2:16:47 you
2:16:47 can
2:16:48 make
2:16:48 a
2:16:48 crude
2:16:49 nuclear
2:16:49 device
2:16:49 with
2:16:50 60%
2:16:50 enriched
2:16:50 uranium
2:16:50 I
2:16:51 just
2:16:51 want
2:16:51 to
2:16:51 put
2:16:52 that
2:16:52 on
2:16:52 the
2:16:52 record
2:16:53 but
2:16:53 he
2:16:53 lost
2:16:54 that
2:16:54 key
2:16:54 conversion
2:16:55 facility
2:16:55 that
2:16:55 turns
2:16:56 90%
2:16:56 enriched
2:16:57 uranium
2:16:57 or
2:16:57 even
2:16:58 60%
2:16:58 enriched
2:16:59 uranium
2:16:59 into
2:17:00 uranium
2:17:00 metal
2:17:01 you
2:17:01 need
2:17:01 uranium
2:17:02 metal
2:17:02 to
2:17:03 fashion
2:17:03 a
2:17:03 crude
2:17:04 nuclear
2:17:04 device
2:17:04 or
2:17:04 a
2:17:05 warhead
2:17:05 that’s
2:17:05 been
2:17:06 destroyed
2:17:07 and
2:17:07 I
2:17:07 just
2:17:08 when I was
2:17:08 coming in
2:17:08 this
2:17:08 morning
2:17:09 I
2:17:09 just
2:17:09 checked
2:17:09 I
2:17:09 thought
2:17:10 it was
2:17:10 interesting
2:17:11 been a
2:17:11 whole lot
2:17:11 of
2:17:12 discussion
2:17:12 about
2:17:12 the
2:17:12 fact
2:17:13 that
2:17:13 about
2:17:14 12
2:17:14 or
2:17:15 16
2:17:15 trucks
2:17:15 showed
2:17:15 up
2:17:16 at
2:17:16 Fordow
2:17:17 in
2:17:17 the
2:17:17 days
2:17:17 before
2:17:18 the
2:17:19 US
2:17:19 strikes
2:17:20 and
2:17:20 moved
2:17:21 something
2:17:21 out
2:17:21 for
2:17:22 Fordow
2:17:22 well
2:17:23 according
2:17:23 to
2:17:23 reports
2:17:24 just
2:17:24 this
2:17:24 morning
2:17:24 we’ll
2:17:25 see
2:17:25 if
2:17:25 they’re
2:17:25 verified
2:17:26 I
2:17:26 don’t
2:17:26 trust
2:17:27 single
2:17:27 sourcing
2:17:28 I
2:17:28 don’t
2:17:28 trust
2:17:28 what
2:17:28 some
2:17:29 reporter
2:17:29 just
2:17:29 says
2:17:30 in
2:17:30 their
2:17:30 stories
2:17:31 because
2:17:31 reporters
2:17:31 got it
2:17:32 wrong
2:17:32 over
2:17:32 and
2:17:32 over
2:17:32 again
2:17:33 especially
2:17:33 all
2:17:33 the
2:17:33 ones
2:17:33 who
2:17:34 accused
2:17:34 President
2:17:34 Trump
2:17:35 have
2:17:35 been
2:17:35 a
2:17:35 Russian
2:17:36 agent
2:17:36 but
2:17:36 we’ll
2:17:36 see
2:17:37 what
2:17:37 happens
2:17:37 we’ll
2:17:37 see
2:17:37 if
2:17:37 it’s
2:17:38 verified
2:17:38 but
2:17:39 according
2:17:39 to
2:17:39 the
2:17:39 reports
2:17:40 most
2:17:41 of
2:17:41 the
2:17:41 material
2:17:51 was
2:17:52 listening
2:17:52 to
2:17:52 lots
2:17:53 of
2:17:53 voices
2:17:54 and
2:17:54 we
2:17:54 can
2:17:54 name
2:17:54 the
2:17:55 voices
2:17:55 or
2:17:55 we
2:17:55 can
2:17:55 just
2:17:56 talk
2:17:56 to
2:17:56 them
2:17:57 about
2:17:57 a
2:17:57 collective
2:17:58 who
2:17:59 they
2:17:59 thought
2:17:59 were
2:18:00 telling
2:18:00 Trump
2:18:01 don’t
2:18:01 do
2:18:01 it
2:18:02 and
2:18:02 we’re
2:18:03 telling
2:18:03 Trump
2:18:03 don’t
2:18:03 do
2:18:04 it
2:18:04 and
2:18:04 Trump
2:18:04 decided
2:18:05 on
2:18:05 his
2:18:05 own
2:18:06 to
2:18:06 do
2:18:06 it
2:18:06 so
2:18:06 they
2:18:06 kept
2:18:07 the
2:18:07 enriched
2:18:07 material
2:18:08 at
2:18:08 Fordow
2:18:08 and
2:18:09 if
2:18:09 that’s
2:18:09 the
2:18:09 case
2:18:10 it
2:18:10 may
2:18:10 be
2:18:10 that
2:18:10 much
2:18:11 of
2:18:11 it
2:18:11 was
2:18:11 destroyed
2:18:12 again
2:18:12 caveat
2:18:13 it’s
2:18:13 just
2:18:14 one
2:18:14 or
2:18:14 two
2:18:15 stories
2:18:15 right
2:18:15 now
2:18:16 one
2:18:16 in
2:18:17 NBC
2:18:17 news
2:18:18 and
2:18:19 let’s
2:18:19 see
2:18:19 what
2:18:19 happens
2:18:19 over
2:18:20 the
2:18:20 coming
2:18:20 days
2:18:20 but
2:18:20 if
2:18:21 that’s
2:18:21 the
2:18:21 case
2:18:22 that
2:18:23 material
2:18:23 may
2:18:24 have
2:18:24 been
2:18:24 destroyed
2:18:25 one
2:18:25 other
2:18:26 element
2:18:26 that
2:18:26 we
2:18:26 haven’t
2:18:26 even
2:18:27 talked
2:18:27 about
2:18:27 at
2:18:27 all
2:18:27 today
2:18:28 which
2:18:28 I
2:18:28 think
2:18:28 your
2:18:29 listeners
2:18:29 should
2:18:29 be
2:18:29 aware
2:18:30 of
2:18:30 we
2:18:31 talked
2:18:31 a lot
2:18:31 about
2:18:32 nuclear
2:18:33 weapons
2:18:33 development
2:18:34 warhead
2:18:34 development
2:18:35 what
2:18:35 the
2:18:35 Israelis
2:18:35 did
2:18:36 was
2:18:36 they
2:18:36 took
2:18:36 out
2:18:37 the
2:18:37 top
2:18:37 15
2:18:38 nuclear
2:18:39 weapons
2:18:39 scientists
2:18:40 who
2:18:40 have
2:18:41 been
2:18:41 part
2:18:41 of
2:18:41 remember
2:18:41 I
2:18:42 talked
2:18:42 about
2:18:42 that
2:18:42 original
2:18:43 Ahmaud
2:18:43 program
2:18:44 and the
2:18:45 development
2:18:45 of those
2:18:45 five
2:18:46 atomic
2:18:46 weapons
2:18:47 well
2:18:47 some
2:18:47 of
2:18:48 them
2:18:48 who
2:18:48 are
2:18:48 old
2:18:49 enough
2:18:49 come
2:18:49 from
2:18:49 the
2:18:50 Ahmaud
2:18:50 program
2:18:51 which
2:18:51 is
2:18:51 the
2:18:51 early
2:18:52 2000s
2:18:53 some
2:18:53 of
2:18:53 them
2:18:53 are
2:18:53 new
2:18:53 but
2:18:54 they’ve
2:18:54 been
2:18:54 or
2:18:54 not
2:18:54 new
2:18:54 but
2:18:55 younger
2:18:55 and
2:18:55 they’ve
2:18:55 been
2:18:56 trained
2:18:56 by
2:18:57 the
2:18:57 veterans
2:18:58 the
2:18:58 15
2:18:58 top
2:18:59 guys
2:18:59 taken
2:19:00 out
2:19:00 that
2:19:00 is
2:19:01 akin
2:19:01 to
2:19:02 it’s
2:19:03 January
2:19:03 or
2:19:03 February
2:19:04 45
2:19:05 and
2:19:05 the
2:19:05 entire
2:19:07 central
2:19:07 team
2:19:07 of
2:19:08 Oppenheimer
2:19:08 gets
2:19:09 eliminated
2:19:10 three
2:19:10 to
2:19:10 four
2:19:10 months
2:19:11 between
2:19:11 the
2:19:11 Trinity
2:19:12 test
2:19:12 before
2:19:12 the
2:19:12 Trinity
2:19:13 test
2:19:13 where
2:19:13 we
2:19:14 explode
2:19:14 our
2:19:14 first
2:19:15 nuclear
2:19:15 weapon
2:19:15 so
2:19:16 I
2:19:16 would
2:19:16 say
2:19:17 significant
2:19:17 damage
2:19:18 to
2:19:18 Iran’s
2:19:18 nuclear
2:19:19 weapons
2:19:19 program
2:19:20 suggests
2:19:20 that
2:19:20 we
2:19:21 potentially
2:19:21 have
2:19:22 rolled
2:19:22 them
2:19:22 back
2:19:23 for
2:19:23 years
2:19:24 I
2:19:24 don’t
2:19:24 know
2:19:24 how
2:19:24 many
2:19:25 years
2:19:25 and
2:19:25 all
2:19:25 those
2:19:26 technical
2:19:26 assessments
2:19:26 are
2:19:27 still
2:19:27 to
2:19:27 come
2:19:28 but
2:19:28 significant
2:19:29 damage
2:19:29 so
2:19:29 the
2:19:30 question
2:19:30 as I
2:19:30 said
2:19:31 is
2:19:32 have
2:19:32 they
2:19:32 retained
2:19:32 enough
2:19:33 capabilities
2:19:34 that
2:19:34 they’ve
2:19:34 squirreled
2:19:35 away
2:19:35 stored
2:19:35 in
2:19:36 covert
2:19:36 sites
2:19:37 put
2:19:37 under
2:19:37 deeply
2:19:38 buried
2:19:38 tunnels
2:19:39 to
2:19:39 break
2:19:39 out
2:19:39 to
2:19:40 nuclear
2:19:40 weapons
2:19:41 that’s
2:19:41 Scott’s
2:19:41 concern
2:19:42 it’s
2:19:42 my
2:19:42 concern
2:19:43 Lex
2:19:43 I’m
2:19:43 sure
2:19:43 it’s
2:19:43 your
2:19:44 concern
2:19:44 that
2:19:44 they
2:19:44 could
2:19:45 do
2:19:45 that
2:19:45 or
2:19:46 have
2:19:46 they
2:19:47 set
2:19:47 back
2:19:47 the
2:19:47 program
2:19:48 so
2:19:48 significantly
2:19:49 that
2:19:49 Khamenei
2:19:50 then has
2:19:50 to
2:19:51 decide
2:19:51 will
2:19:52 I
2:19:52 be
2:19:52 inviting
2:19:53 another
2:19:53 Israeli
2:19:53 and or
2:19:54 US
2:19:54 attack
2:19:55 if
2:19:55 I
2:19:55 try
2:19:55 to
2:19:56 break
2:19:56 out
2:19:56 and
2:19:56 if
2:19:56 I
2:19:57 do
2:19:57 do
2:19:58 I
2:19:58 risk
2:19:58 my
2:19:58 regime
2:19:59 who
2:19:59 thinks
2:19:59 that
2:19:59 if
2:20:00 they
2:20:00 break
2:20:00 out
2:20:00 and
2:20:00 try
2:20:00 to
2:20:01 start
2:20:01 making
2:20:01 nukes
2:20:02 now
2:20:02 that
2:20:03 any
2:20:03 hawk
2:20:04 supporting
2:20:04 this
2:20:04 war
2:20:04 will
2:20:04 take
2:20:05 responsibility
2:20:05 for
2:20:06 driving
2:20:06 them
2:20:06 to
2:20:06 it
2:20:07 so
2:20:07 the
2:20:08 suggestion
2:20:08 you’re
2:20:08 making
2:20:08 is
2:20:10 we’re
2:20:10 actually
2:20:10 driving
2:20:12 of course
2:20:12 to doing
2:20:12 the
2:20:12 opposite
2:20:13 we’re
2:20:13 actually
2:20:13 driving
2:20:14 them
2:20:14 to
2:20:14 develop
2:20:14 nuclear
2:20:15 weapons
2:20:15 that’s
2:20:23 program
2:20:23 well
2:20:24 let’s
2:20:24 not
2:20:24 take
2:20:24 him
2:20:25 at
2:20:25 his
2:20:25 word
2:20:25 again
2:20:26 I
2:20:26 never
2:20:27 said
2:20:28 in
2:20:28 this
2:20:28 conversation
2:20:29 trust
2:20:29 the
2:20:30 ayatollah
2:20:31 he did
2:20:31 yeah but
2:20:32 you said
2:20:32 that the
2:20:32 ayatollah
2:20:33 doesn’t want
2:20:33 a nuclear
2:20:33 weapons
2:20:34 program
2:20:34 Scott
2:20:34 you were
2:20:35 very
2:20:35 clear
2:20:35 about
2:20:35 that
2:20:36 what
2:20:36 I
2:20:36 said
2:20:36 what
2:20:37 I
2:20:37 never
2:20:37 wanted
2:20:38 a nuclear
2:20:38 weapons
2:20:38 program
2:20:39 are you
2:20:39 going
2:20:39 back
2:20:40 on
2:20:40 that
2:20:40 now
2:20:40 Jesus
2:20:40 Christ
2:20:41 what I
2:20:41 was
2:20:41 very
2:20:42 clear
2:20:42 about
2:20:42 from
2:20:42 my
2:20:43 very
2:20:43 first
2:20:43 statement
2:20:44 when
2:20:44 we
2:20:44 sat
2:20:45 down
2:20:45 was
2:20:45 that
2:20:45 the
2:20:46 ayatollah
2:20:46 was
2:20:46 building
2:20:47 himself
2:20:47 a
2:20:47 latent
2:20:48 nuclear
2:20:48 deterrent
2:20:49 putting
2:20:50 Iran
2:20:50 as
2:20:50 what
2:20:50 they
2:20:50 call
2:20:50 a
2:20:51 threshold
2:20:52 nuclear
2:20:52 weapons
2:20:52 state
2:20:53 just like
2:20:54 Brazil
2:20:54 and Germany
2:20:55 and Japan
2:20:56 so everyone
2:20:56 knows
2:20:57 they have
2:20:57 mastered
2:20:57 the fuel
2:20:58 cycle
2:20:58 they could
2:20:59 enrich
2:20:59 uranium
2:21:00 up to
2:21:00 90%
2:21:01 don’t
2:21:01 make
2:21:01 me
2:21:02 do
2:21:02 it
2:21:02 that
2:21:02 was
2:21:02 his
2:21:03 position
2:21:05 did
2:21:05 you ever
2:21:05 hear
2:21:06 me
2:21:06 say
2:21:08 anything
2:21:08 about
2:21:08 believing
2:21:09 the
2:21:09 ayatollah
2:21:10 saying
2:21:10 he only
2:21:10 wanted
2:21:11 an
2:21:11 electricity
2:21:12 program
2:21:12 this
2:21:12 is
2:21:13 why
2:21:14 enrichment
2:21:14 is
2:21:15 a
2:21:15 red
2:21:15 line
2:21:16 it’s
2:21:16 because
2:21:16 if
2:21:17 all
2:21:17 the
2:21:17 enrichment
2:21:17 is
2:21:18 done
2:21:18 overseas
2:21:19 somewhere
2:21:20 then it’s
2:21:20 not a
2:21:20 latent
2:21:21 nuclear
2:21:21 deterrent
2:21:22 at all
2:21:22 so it’s
2:21:22 a red
2:21:22 line
2:21:23 for you
2:21:23 as well
2:21:24 as for me
2:21:24 we agree
2:21:24 Scott
2:21:25 I’m saying
2:21:25 it’s a
2:21:25 red
2:21:26 line
2:21:26 for the
2:21:27 ayatollah
2:21:27 that he’s
2:21:27 clearly
2:21:28 not going
2:21:28 to give
2:21:29 in on
2:21:30 and it’s
2:21:30 a poison
2:21:31 pill
2:21:31 by the
2:21:32 Israelis
2:21:32 in the
2:21:33 west
2:21:33 they know
2:21:33 he’s
2:21:33 never
2:21:34 going
2:21:34 to
2:21:34 give
2:21:34 up
2:21:35 enrichment
2:21:36 100%
2:21:37 because
2:21:37 that’s
2:21:38 the whole
2:21:38 point
2:21:38 of it
2:21:39 so it’s
2:21:45 that’s
2:21:45 his
2:21:45 official
2:21:46 position
2:21:46 or if
2:21:46 it is
2:21:46 it’s
2:21:47 with a
2:21:47 strong
2:21:48 implication
2:21:48 as
2:21:49 everyone
2:21:49 understands
2:21:50 that
2:21:51 it’s
2:21:51 a
2:21:52 latent
2:21:52 nuclear
2:21:53 weapons
2:21:53 capability
2:21:54 and
2:21:54 a
2:21:55 potential
2:21:56 actual
2:21:57 nuclear
2:21:57 weapons
2:21:57 capability
2:21:58 will
2:21:59 have
2:21:59 to
2:21:59 include
2:21:59 enrichment
2:22:00 yes
2:22:01 that is
2:22:01 a
2:22:01 red
2:22:01 line
2:22:01 he
2:22:01 will
2:22:01 move
2:22:02 up
2:22:02 yes
2:22:02 and
2:22:02 then
2:22:03 the
2:22:03 thing
2:22:03 is
2:22:03 too
2:22:03 just like
2:22:04 I was
2:22:04 saying
2:22:04 before
2:22:05 if
2:22:05 Trump
2:22:06 had
2:22:06 come
2:22:06 in
2:22:06 in
2:22:07 2017
2:22:08 and
2:22:08 said
2:22:08 screw
2:22:09 this
2:22:09 I
2:22:09 hate
2:22:09 this
2:22:10 deal
2:22:10 and
2:22:10 then
2:22:10 got
2:22:10 on
2:22:11 a
2:22:11 plane
2:22:11 and
2:22:11 flown
2:22:12 straight
2:22:12 to
2:22:12 Tehran
2:22:13 and
2:22:13 said
2:22:14 or
2:22:14 you
2:22:14 know
2:22:14 sent
2:22:14 his
2:22:15 guys
2:22:15 and
2:22:16 said
2:22:16 now
2:22:16 listen
2:22:16 here
2:22:17 Ayatollah
2:22:17 I want
2:22:18 to fix
2:22:18 this
2:22:18 deal
2:22:19 up
2:22:28 again
2:22:28 I
2:22:28 criticized
2:22:29 the
2:22:29 CIA
2:22:29 and
2:22:29 FBI
2:22:29 for
2:22:30 framing
2:22:30 Trump
2:22:30 for
2:22:30 treason
2:22:31 for
2:22:31 preventing
2:22:31 him
2:22:32 for
2:22:32 being
2:22:32 able
2:22:32 to
2:22:33 work
2:22:33 with
2:22:33 the
2:22:33 Russians
2:22:33 to
2:22:34 see
2:22:34 if
2:22:34 maybe
2:22:34 they
2:22:34 could
2:22:34 put
2:22:35 pressure
2:22:35 on
2:22:35 the
2:22:35 Ayatollah
2:22:36 to
2:22:36 deal
2:22:36 with
2:22:36 him
2:22:37 but
2:22:37 I
2:22:58 if
2:22:59 necessary
2:23:00 to
2:23:00 weapons
2:23:01 great
2:23:01 if
2:23:01 a
2:23:02 crisis
2:23:02 breaks
2:23:02 out
2:23:02 and
2:23:03 he
2:23:03 feels
2:23:03 like
2:23:03 he
2:23:03 has
2:23:03 to
2:23:04 make
2:23:04 nukes
2:23:04 but
2:23:05 he
2:23:05 had
2:23:06 no
2:23:07 stockpile
2:23:07 to
2:23:08 enrich
2:23:08 this
2:23:08 whole
2:23:08 thing
2:23:08 about
2:23:09 99%
2:23:09 of
2:23:09 the
2:23:09 way
2:23:10 there
2:23:10 he
2:23:10 had
2:23:10 no
2:23:11 stockpile
2:23:12 so
2:23:12 even
2:23:12 if
2:23:12 you
2:23:13 count
2:23:14 gassing
2:23:14 up
2:23:14 your
2:23:15 truck
2:23:15 on
2:23:15 the
2:23:15 way
2:23:15 to
2:23:15 the
2:23:15 mine
2:23:16 as
2:23:16 part
2:23:16 of
2:23:16 this
2:23:17 long
2:23:17 time
2:23:17 scale
2:23:17 of
2:23:18 percentages
2:23:18 here
2:23:19 they
2:23:19 were
2:23:19 much
2:23:20 further
2:23:21 from
2:23:21 a
2:23:21 under
2:23:21 the
2:23:21 deal
2:23:22 which
2:23:22 he
2:23:22 agrees
2:23:22 we
2:23:23 shouldn’t
2:23:23 have
2:23:23 even
2:23:23 gotten
2:23:24 out
2:23:24 of
2:23:24 can
2:23:24 I
2:23:24 say
2:23:25 technically
2:23:25 just
2:23:25 I
2:23:25 think
2:23:25 again
2:23:26 important
2:23:26 for
2:23:26 your
2:23:27 listeners
2:23:27 to
2:23:27 understand
2:23:28 under
2:23:28 the
2:23:29 JCPOA
2:23:31 Iran
2:23:31 is
2:23:31 allowed
2:23:32 to
2:23:32 keep
2:23:32 a
2:23:33 stockpile
2:23:33 of
2:23:34 maximum
2:23:35 300
2:23:35 kilograms
2:23:35 as I
2:23:36 remember
2:23:37 3.67%
2:23:38 enriched
2:23:38 material
2:23:39 they’re
2:23:39 allowed
2:23:39 to
2:23:39 continue
2:23:40 to
2:23:40 enrich
2:23:41 as
2:23:41 long
2:23:41 as
2:23:42 if
2:23:42 they
2:23:42 go
2:23:42 over
2:23:43 the
2:23:43 300
2:23:43 kilogram
2:23:44 they
2:23:44 have
2:23:44 to
2:23:45 send
2:23:45 that
2:23:45 out
2:23:45 to
2:23:47 Russia
2:23:48 to
2:23:48 blend
2:23:48 down
2:23:49 and
2:23:49 so
2:23:49 they
2:23:50 kept
2:23:50 the
2:23:50 enrichment
2:23:51 capability
2:23:51 the
2:23:52 ability
2:23:52 to
2:23:52 enrich
2:23:53 they
2:23:53 did
2:23:54 keep
2:23:54 a
2:23:54 stockpile
2:23:55 Scott’s
2:23:56 right
2:23:56 they
2:23:56 weren’t
2:23:56 able
2:23:57 to
2:23:57 they’re
2:23:57 not
2:23:57 allowed
2:23:58 in
2:23:58 those
2:23:58 early
2:23:59 years
2:23:59 to
2:23:59 go
2:23:59 under
2:24:00 3.67%
2:24:01 they
2:24:01 would
2:24:01 be
2:24:03 allowed
2:24:03 to
2:24:03 go
2:24:03 to
2:24:04 20%
2:24:04 and
2:24:04 60%
2:24:04 and
2:24:05 90%
2:24:05 as
2:24:05 the
2:24:06 restrictions
2:24:07 sunsetted
2:24:07 but
2:24:07 they
2:24:08 were
2:24:08 able
2:24:08 to
2:24:08 keep
2:24:08 all
2:24:09 of
2:24:09 those
2:24:09 keep
2:24:10 capabilities
2:24:10 so
2:24:10 I
2:24:10 just
2:24:10 want
2:24:10 to
2:24:16 comment
2:24:16 on
2:24:16 the
2:24:17 so
2:24:17 called
2:24:18 Operation
2:24:18 Midnight
2:24:18 Hammer
2:24:20 now
2:24:20 that
2:24:20 we
2:24:20 can
2:24:21 look
2:24:21 back
2:24:21 at
2:24:21 it
2:24:22 what
2:24:22 parts
2:24:23 were
2:24:23 successful
2:24:24 or
2:24:25 what
2:24:25 parts
2:24:25 were
2:24:25 a
2:24:25 mistake
2:24:26 was
2:24:26 the
2:24:26 whole
2:24:27 operation
2:24:27 a
2:24:28 mistake
2:24:29 that
2:24:29 accelerates
2:24:30 the Iran
2:24:31 nuclear
2:24:31 program
2:24:31 or the
2:24:32 incentives
2:24:32 for it
2:24:33 or is
2:24:33 there
2:24:33 some
2:24:33 components
2:24:33 that
2:24:34 actually
2:24:34 is
2:24:34 a
2:24:35 disincentive
2:24:36 for Iran
2:24:37 to develop
2:24:37 the
2:24:37 program
2:24:37 and
2:24:38 then
2:24:38 maybe
2:24:38 you
2:24:38 can
2:24:38 comment
2:24:38 on
2:24:39 the
2:24:39 same
2:24:39 it
2:24:39 be
2:24:39 nice
2:24:40 to
2:24:40 get
2:24:40 comments
2:24:40 I
2:24:40 think
2:24:41 we
2:24:41 really
2:24:41 don’t
2:24:41 know
2:24:42 right
2:24:42 there’s
2:24:43 some
2:24:43 initial
2:24:43 battle
2:24:44 assessments
2:24:44 and
2:24:45 arguments
2:24:45 and
2:24:45 all
2:24:45 that
2:24:46 about
2:24:46 just
2:24:46 how
2:24:46 much
2:24:46 was
2:24:47 destroyed
2:24:47 and
2:24:47 what
2:24:48 and
2:24:48 we
2:24:48 don’t
2:24:48 know
2:24:48 exactly
2:24:49 what
2:24:49 their
2:24:49 reaction
2:24:49 is
2:24:50 going
2:24:50 to
2:24:50 be
2:24:52 the
2:24:53 you
2:24:53 know
2:24:53 there
2:24:53 were
2:24:54 reports
2:24:54 of
2:24:54 them
2:24:54 saying
2:24:54 hey
2:24:55 we’re
2:24:55 already
2:24:55 starting
2:24:56 up
2:24:56 a
2:24:56 new
2:24:57 facility
2:24:57 somewhere
2:24:58 else
2:24:58 there
2:24:59 were
2:24:59 reports
2:24:59 where
2:24:59 they
2:24:59 said
2:25:00 hey
2:25:00 a lot
2:25:00 of
2:25:00 our
2:25:01 centrifuge
2:25:01 just
2:25:01 survived
2:25:02 and
2:25:02 we’re
2:25:02 going
2:25:11 the
2:25:11 apocalyptic
2:25:11 threat
2:25:12 of
2:25:12 the
2:25:12 I told
2:25:12 which
2:25:12 mark
2:25:13 has
2:25:13 not
2:25:13 made
2:25:13 but
2:25:14 which
2:25:14 israel
2:25:15 hawks
2:25:15 often
2:25:15 do
2:25:16 that
2:25:16 these
2:25:16 guys
2:25:16 just
2:25:17 can’t
2:25:17 wait
2:25:17 to
2:25:17 get
2:25:17 into
2:25:17 a
2:25:18 war
2:25:18 in
2:25:18 all
2:25:18 this
2:25:19 in
2:25:19 fact
2:25:19 if you
2:25:20 look
2:25:20 at
2:25:20 well
2:25:20 they’re
2:25:20 in
2:25:21 a war
2:25:21 but
2:25:21 if
2:25:21 you
2:25:24 interrupt
2:25:24 me
2:25:24 every
2:25:25 time
2:25:25 I try
2:25:26 to say
2:25:26 you’re
2:25:27 mischaracterizing
2:25:27 what I’m
2:25:28 saying
2:25:28 I need
2:25:28 to
2:25:28 clarify
2:25:30 he’s
2:25:30 not
2:25:30 interrupting
2:25:30 every
2:25:30 time
2:25:31 but
2:25:31 sometimes
2:25:32 interrupting
2:25:32 yes
2:25:33 so
2:25:33 try
2:25:34 not
2:25:34 to
2:25:34 interrupt
2:25:34 as
2:25:34 much
2:25:35 go
2:25:36 ahead
2:25:36 Scott
2:25:36 don’t
2:25:37 take
2:25:37 it
2:25:37 personally
2:25:37 come
2:25:38 on
2:25:38 let’s
2:25:38 go
2:25:39 it
2:25:39 seems
2:25:39 like
2:25:39 a
2:25:40 deliberate
2:25:40 attempt
2:25:40 to
2:25:41 obfuscate
2:25:42 and
2:25:42 and prevent
2:25:43 me
2:25:43 from just
2:25:43 being able
2:25:44 to complete
2:25:45 a point
2:25:45 you know
2:25:45 he does
2:25:45 it
2:25:46 virtually
2:25:46 every
2:25:47 time
2:25:47 no
2:25:47 it’s
2:25:47 not
2:25:48 as a
2:25:48 listener
2:25:48 I’m
2:25:49 enjoying
2:25:49 this
2:25:50 well
2:25:50 look
2:25:50 on
2:25:51 the
2:25:51 face
2:25:51 of
2:25:51 it
2:25:52 they
2:25:52 blew
2:25:52 up
2:25:52 a lot
2:25:52 of
2:25:53 stuff
2:25:53 and
2:25:53 they
2:25:54 made
2:25:54 them
2:25:54 very
2:25:54 angry
2:25:55 so
2:25:55 are
2:25:55 they
2:25:55 going
2:25:55 to
2:25:56 now
2:25:56 give
2:25:56 in
2:25:57 or
2:25:57 they’re
2:25:57 now
2:25:57 going
2:25:57 to
2:25:57 double
2:25:58 down
2:25:58 or
2:25:58 they’re
2:25:59 now
2:25:59 going
2:25:59 to
2:25:59 hold
2:25:59 still
2:25:59 we
2:26:00 don’t
2:26:00 really
2:26:00 know
2:26:01 as I
2:26:01 was
2:26:01 trying
2:26:01 to
2:26:02 explain
2:26:04 from
2:26:04 the
2:26:05 Ayatollah’s
2:26:05 position
2:26:05 that
2:26:06 he’s
2:26:06 in
2:26:07 what
2:26:07 are
2:26:07 you
2:26:08 going
2:26:08 to
2:26:08 do
2:26:08 with
2:26:08 a
2:26:09 problem
2:26:09 like
2:26:09 the
2:26:09 United
2:26:10 States
2:26:10 of
2:26:10 America
2:26:11 right
2:26:11 they
2:26:11 can
2:26:12 chant
2:26:12 great
2:26:12 Satan
2:26:13 this
2:26:22 to
2:26:23 in
2:26:23 fact
2:26:23 even
2:26:24 without
2:26:24 nuclear
2:26:25 weapons
2:26:25 essentially
2:26:26 wipe
2:26:26 their
2:26:27 civilization
2:26:27 off
2:26:27 the
2:26:27 face
2:26:27 of
2:26:27 the
2:26:28 earth
2:26:28 just
2:26:28 with
2:26:29 B-52s
2:26:29 if we
2:26:29 wanted
2:26:29 to
2:26:30 carpet
2:26:30 bomb
2:26:30 their
2:26:30 major
2:26:31 cities
2:26:31 and
2:26:31 they
2:26:32 so
2:26:32 they
2:26:32 know
2:26:33 that
2:26:33 the
2:26:33 Ayatollah
2:26:34 knows
2:26:34 he’s
2:26:34 in a
2:26:35 very
2:26:35 difficult
2:26:35 position
2:26:36 and
2:26:36 look
2:26:36 at
2:26:36 what
2:26:36 he
2:26:37 did
2:26:37 when
2:26:37 they
2:26:38 assassinated
2:26:38 Soleimani
2:26:39 he
2:26:39 sent
2:26:40 essentially
2:26:40 a
2:26:40 symbolic
2:26:41 strike
2:26:41 at
2:26:41 an
2:26:41 empty
2:26:42 corner
2:26:42 of
2:26:42 an
2:26:42 American
2:26:43 base
2:26:43 in
2:26:43 Iraq
2:26:43 it
2:26:43 did
2:26:44 cause
2:26:44 some
2:26:44 concussions
2:26:45 and
2:26:45 head
2:26:45 trauma
2:26:45 but
2:26:46 he
2:26:47 deliberately
2:26:47 did
2:26:47 that
2:26:47 to
2:26:48 not
2:26:48 cause
2:26:48 casualties
2:26:49 and
2:26:49 then
2:26:49 Trump
2:26:49 let
2:26:49 him
2:26:50 have
2:26:50 the
2:26:50 last
2:26:50 word
2:26:51 and
2:26:51 then
2:26:52 also
2:26:52 when
2:26:52 they
2:26:52 shot
2:26:52 down
2:26:52 the
2:26:53 drone
2:26:53 which
2:26:53 I
2:26:53 think
2:26:54 Trump
2:26:54 was
2:26:54 suspicious
2:26:55 that
2:26:55 the
2:26:55 Pentagon
2:26:55 had
2:26:55 flown
2:26:56 that
2:26:56 into
2:26:56 Iranian
2:26:57 airspace
2:26:57 and
2:26:57 they
2:26:58 demanded
2:26:58 strikes
2:26:58 and
2:26:59 Trump
2:26:59 said
2:26:59 no
2:26:59 it’s
2:26:59 just
2:27:00 a
2:27:00 drone
2:27:00 how
2:27:00 many
2:27:01 Iranians
2:27:01 will
2:27:01 die
2:27:02 at
2:27:02 the
2:27:02 base
2:27:02 you
2:27:02 want
2:27:02 to
2:27:13 our
2:27:14 central
2:27:14 command
2:27:15 headquarters
2:27:15 the
2:27:16 al-udid
2:27:17 airbase
2:27:17 in
2:27:18 Qatar
2:27:18 and
2:27:19 also
2:27:19 an
2:27:19 American
2:27:20 base
2:27:21 I think
2:27:21 in
2:27:21 Baghdad
2:27:21 and
2:27:22 I’m
2:27:22 not
2:27:22 sure
2:27:22 about
2:27:23 in
2:27:23 Iraqi
2:27:24 Kurdistan
2:27:24 zero
2:27:25 casualties
2:27:25 so far
2:27:26 so
2:27:27 what
2:27:27 is
2:27:27 going
2:27:27 on
2:27:28 there
2:27:28 essentially
2:27:29 is
2:27:29 he’s
2:27:29 gotta
2:27:30 do
2:27:30 something
2:27:31 he’s
2:27:31 doing
2:27:31 like
2:27:31 these
2:27:32 symbolic
2:27:32 strikes
2:27:33 essentially
2:27:33 to
2:27:33 say
2:27:33 like
2:27:34 hey
2:27:34 you
2:27:34 can’t
2:27:34 do
2:27:35 that
2:27:35 to
2:27:35 me
2:27:35 but
2:27:35 then
2:27:36 he’s
2:27:36 also
2:27:37 telegraphing
2:27:37 that
2:27:38 hey
2:27:38 like
2:27:39 I can’t
2:27:39 do
2:27:39 anything
2:27:39 about
2:27:40 you
2:27:40 and
2:27:40 I
2:27:40 don’t
2:27:41 really
2:27:41 want
2:27:41 to
2:27:41 fight
2:27:42 and
2:27:42 so
2:27:43 in
2:27:43 a
2:27:43 way
2:27:43 he’s
2:27:43 like
2:27:43 kind
2:27:43 of
2:27:44 backing
2:27:44 down
2:27:44 he’s
2:27:44 doing
2:27:45 and
2:27:45 then
2:27:45 what
2:27:45 did
2:27:46 Donald
2:27:46 Trump
2:27:46 say
2:27:47 Donald
2:27:47 Trump
2:27:48 again
2:27:48 let
2:27:48 him
2:27:48 have
2:27:48 the
2:27:48 last
2:27:49 word
2:27:49 and
2:27:49 in
2:27:50 fact
2:27:50 like
2:27:51 bragged
2:27:51 and
2:27:51 mocked
2:27:51 and
2:27:51 said
2:27:52 hey
2:27:52 thanks
2:27:52 Ayatollah
2:27:53 for giving
2:27:53 us
2:27:53 a
2:27:54 warning
2:27:54 that
2:27:54 you
2:27:54 were
2:27:54 about
2:27:55 to
2:27:55 shoot
2:27:55 missiles
2:27:55 at
2:27:56 our
2:27:56 base
2:27:56 so
2:27:56 we
2:27:56 could
2:27:56 be
2:27:56 ready
2:27:57 to
2:27:57 shoot
2:27:57 them
2:27:57 all
2:27:57 down
2:27:58 and
2:27:58 this
2:27:58 kind
2:27:58 of
2:27:58 thing
2:27:58 and
2:27:59 he
2:27:59 said
2:27:59 now
2:27:59 is
2:27:59 the
2:28:00 time
2:28:00 for
2:28:00 peace
2:28:00 in
2:28:00 other
2:28:00 words
2:28:01 Trump
2:28:01 again
2:28:01 letting
2:28:02 the
2:28:02 Ayatollah
2:28:02 get
2:28:02 the
2:28:03 last
2:28:03 word
2:28:03 why
2:28:04 because
2:28:04 the
2:28:05 Ayatollah
2:28:06 he
2:28:06 might
2:28:06 be
2:28:07 a
2:28:07 horrible
2:28:07 leader
2:28:08 if
2:28:08 you
2:28:08 live
2:28:08 in
2:28:09 Iran
2:28:09 but
2:28:09 he
2:28:10 is
2:28:10 not
2:28:11 perfectly
2:28:11 but
2:28:12 essentially
2:28:13 cautious
2:28:13 in
2:28:13 foreign
2:28:14 policy
2:28:15 because
2:28:15 what’s
2:28:15 he
2:28:15 going
2:28:15 to
2:28:15 do
2:28:16 he’s
2:28:16 going
2:28:16 to
2:28:16 decimate
2:28:17 our
2:28:17 naval
2:28:17 base
2:28:17 at
2:28:18 Bahrain
2:28:18 he’s
2:28:18 going
2:28:18 to
2:28:19 slaughter
2:28:19 all
2:28:19 our
2:28:19 troops
2:28:20 in
2:28:20 Kuwait
2:28:21 and
2:28:21 then
2:28:21 what’s
2:28:21 Trump
2:28:21 going
2:28:21 to
2:28:22 do
2:28:22 and
2:28:23 so
2:28:23 the
2:28:23 Ayatollah
2:28:24 knows
2:28:24 so
2:28:25 it’s
2:28:25 the
2:28:25 same
2:28:26 people
2:28:26 who
2:28:27 I
2:28:28 don’t
2:28:28 include
2:28:28 him
2:28:28 in
2:28:28 this
2:28:28 but
2:28:29 you
2:28:29 hear
2:28:29 a lot
2:28:29 of
2:28:30 hawkish
2:28:30 talk
2:28:30 about
2:28:30 just
2:28:31 how
2:28:31 easy
2:28:31 this
2:28:31 has
2:28:32 been
2:28:32 these
2:28:33 same
2:28:33 people
2:28:33 talking
2:28:33 about
2:28:34 what
2:28:34 an
2:28:34 absolutely
2:28:36 irrational
2:28:38 religiously
2:28:39 motivatedly
2:28:40 and
2:28:40 motivated
2:28:40 and
2:28:41 therefore
2:28:42 crazy
2:28:42 and
2:28:43 irrational
2:28:44 group
2:28:44 of
2:28:44 people
2:28:44 the
2:28:44 mullahs
2:28:45 are
2:28:45 and
2:28:45 why
2:28:45 they
2:28:45 can
2:28:45 only
2:28:46 be
2:28:46 dealt
2:28:46 with
2:28:47 with
2:28:47 force
2:28:48 when
2:28:48 in
2:28:48 fact
2:28:49 what
2:28:49 they’re
2:28:49 showing
2:28:50 is
2:28:51 essential
2:28:52 conservatism
2:28:53 trying to
2:28:54 hold on to
2:28:54 what they
2:28:54 got
2:28:55 making a
2:28:55 latent
2:28:55 deterrent
2:28:56 because
2:28:56 they
2:28:56 know
2:28:56 if
2:28:56 they
2:28:56 break
2:28:57 out
2:28:57 toward
2:28:57 a
2:28:57 bomb
2:28:57 that’ll
2:28:58 get
2:28:58 them
2:28:58 bombed
2:28:58 so
2:28:59 they
2:28:59 were
2:28:59 hoping
2:28:59 having
2:28:59 a
2:29:00 latent
2:29:00 deterrent
2:29:00 would
2:29:00 be
2:29:01 enough
2:29:01 to
2:29:02 just
2:29:02 keep
2:29:02 them
2:29:02 at
2:29:02 the
2:29:03 status
2:29:03 quo
2:29:04 that’s
2:29:04 why
2:29:04 it’s
2:29:04 so
2:29:15 close
2:29:15 enough
2:29:15 for
2:29:16 us
2:29:16 so
2:29:16 it
2:29:17 doesn’t
2:29:17 matter
2:29:17 if
2:29:18 the
2:29:18 ayatollahs
2:29:18 decided
2:29:19 to
2:29:19 make
2:29:19 or
2:29:19 nuke
2:29:19 or
2:29:20 not
2:29:20 they’re
2:29:20 just
2:29:20 too
2:29:21 close
2:29:21 to
2:29:21 one
2:29:22 as
2:29:22 it
2:29:22 is
2:29:23 which
2:29:23 is
2:29:23 really
2:29:23 silly
2:29:24 because
2:29:24 they’re
2:29:24 not
2:29:24 much
2:29:25 closer
2:29:25 than
2:29:25 they’ve
2:29:26 been
2:29:26 for
2:29:26 20
2:29:27 years
2:29:27 since
2:29:27 the
2:29:27 W.
2:29:27 Bush
2:29:28 administration
2:29:29 they’ve
2:29:29 mastered
2:29:29 the
2:29:29 fuel
2:29:30 cycle
2:29:30 that
2:29:30 is
2:29:30 one
2:29:30 of
2:29:31 the
2:29:32 disagreements
2:29:32 in
2:29:32 the
2:29:32 room
2:29:33 that
2:29:33 you’re
2:29:33 saying
2:29:34 they
2:29:34 don’t
2:29:34 have
2:29:35 they
2:29:35 really
2:29:35 don’t
2:29:35 have
2:29:36 interest
2:29:36 to
2:29:37 develop
2:29:37 a
2:29:37 nuclear
2:29:38 weapon
2:29:39 and
2:29:39 they’re
2:29:39 not
2:29:40 quite
2:29:40 not
2:29:40 exactly
2:29:41 I mean
2:29:41 I
2:29:41 more
2:29:42 towards
2:29:42 that
2:29:43 direction
2:29:43 than
2:29:44 Mark
2:29:44 is
2:29:44 saying
2:29:45 they’re
2:29:46 saying
2:29:46 look at
2:29:46 us
2:29:46 we’re
2:29:46 a
2:29:47 threshold
2:29:47 state
2:29:48 don’t
2:29:48 push
2:29:48 your
2:29:49 luck
2:29:49 and
2:29:50 force
2:29:51 us
2:29:51 to
2:29:51 make
2:29:51 the
2:29:51 bad
2:29:52 decision
2:29:52 they
2:29:52 now
2:29:53 that’s
2:29:53 an
2:29:53 implication
2:29:53 they
2:29:53 have
2:29:54 not
2:29:54 said
2:29:54 that
2:29:54 outright
2:29:55 but
2:29:55 clearly
2:29:55 the
2:29:56 implication
2:29:56 is
2:29:57 that
2:29:57 if
2:29:57 we
2:29:57 force
2:29:58 them
2:29:58 then
2:29:58 they
2:29:58 will
2:29:59 go
2:29:59 ahead
2:29:59 and
2:30:00 make
2:30:00 a
2:30:00 nuclear
2:30:00 weapon
2:30:01 what
2:30:01 I
2:30:01 mean
2:30:01 is
2:30:01 if
2:30:02 left
2:30:02 on
2:30:02 their
2:30:02 own
2:30:03 devices
2:30:04 they
2:30:04 would
2:30:04 not
2:30:05 develop
2:30:05 that’s
2:30:05 the
2:30:06 case
2:30:06 you’re
2:30:06 making
2:30:06 not
2:30:07 just
2:30:07 on
2:30:07 their
2:30:07 own
2:30:08 devices
2:30:08 but
2:30:08 if
2:30:08 we
2:30:08 were
2:30:08 to
2:30:09 try
2:30:09 to
2:30:09 negotiate
2:30:09 with
2:30:10 them
2:30:10 in
2:30:10 good
2:30:10 faith
2:30:10 and
2:30:11 try
2:30:11 to
2:30:11 have
2:30:11 normal
2:30:12 relations
2:30:12 with
2:30:12 them
2:30:13 that
2:30:13 would
2:30:15 disincentivize
2:30:15 a
2:30:15 nuclear
2:30:15 weapon
2:30:16 even
2:30:16 further
2:30:17 can
2:30:17 you
2:30:17 comment
2:30:18 on
2:30:18 the
2:30:18 mission
2:30:19 operation
2:30:19 sure
2:30:20 couple
2:30:21 things
2:30:21 I
2:30:21 things
2:30:21 were
2:30:21 interesting
2:30:21 what
2:30:22 Scott
2:30:22 said
2:30:22 and
2:30:23 I
2:30:23 agree
2:30:23 with
2:30:23 certainly
2:30:24 with
2:30:24 some
2:30:24 of
2:30:24 it
2:30:25 I
2:30:25 mean
2:30:25 the
2:30:26 first
2:30:26 thing
2:30:26 is
2:30:26 I
2:30:26 do
2:30:27 believe
2:30:27 President
2:30:27 Trump
2:30:27 has
2:30:28 negotiated
2:30:28 in
2:30:28 good
2:30:28 faith
2:30:28 I
2:30:29 mean
2:30:29 he
2:30:29 sent
2:30:29 Steve
2:30:30 Whitcoff
2:30:30 he’s
2:30:30 chief
2:30:31 negotiator
2:30:31 for
2:30:31 five
2:30:32 rounds
2:30:32 of
2:30:32 negotiations
2:30:33 since
2:30:33 he
2:30:33 came
2:30:33 in
2:30:33 office
2:30:34 the
2:30:35 second
2:30:35 is
2:30:35 I
2:30:35 mean
2:30:35 we
2:30:35 can
2:30:35 keep
2:30:36 going
2:30:36 around
2:30:36 in
2:30:36 circles
2:30:37 but
2:30:37 the
2:30:38 fact
2:30:38 of
2:30:38 the
2:30:38 matter
2:30:38 is
2:30:38 I
2:30:38 believe
2:30:39 that
2:30:51 on
2:30:51 the
2:30:51 record
2:30:52 but
2:30:52 where
2:30:52 I
2:30:52 agree
2:30:53 with
2:30:53 Scott
2:30:53 is
2:30:54 and
2:30:54 it’s
2:30:55 interesting
2:30:55 and
2:30:55 I
2:30:55 don’t
2:30:55 know
2:30:55 if
2:30:56 Khamenei
2:30:56 has
2:30:57 changed
2:30:57 in
2:30:58 his
2:30:58 you
2:30:58 know
2:30:58 he’s
2:30:58 86
2:30:58 years
2:30:59 old
2:30:59 he’s
2:30:59 been
2:30:59 in
2:30:59 power
2:31:00 since
2:31:00 1989
2:31:01 and
2:31:01 there’s
2:31:01 a
2:31:01 little
2:31:01 bit
2:31:01 of
2:31:02 history
2:31:02 that
2:31:02 I
2:31:02 think
2:31:02 is
2:31:03 really
2:31:03 interesting
2:31:03 Lex
2:31:04 it
2:31:05 was
2:31:05 the
2:31:05 it
2:31:05 was
2:31:06 1988
2:31:07 and
2:31:08 Iran
2:31:09 and
2:31:09 fought
2:31:09 this
2:31:10 brutal
2:31:10 eight
2:31:10 year
2:31:10 war
2:31:10 a
2:31:11 million
2:31:11 people
2:31:11 dead
2:31:12 and
2:31:14 the
2:31:14 United
2:31:15 States
2:31:16 accidentally
2:31:16 shot
2:31:16 down
2:31:17 a
2:31:17 Iranian
2:31:18 passenger
2:31:18 airline
2:31:19 United
2:31:19 States
2:31:19 offered
2:31:20 to pay
2:31:21 compensation
2:31:21 and
2:31:22 apologized
2:31:23 and
2:31:23 the
2:31:23 Iranians
2:31:23 didn’t
2:31:23 believe
2:31:23 it
2:31:24 they
2:31:24 didn’t
2:31:24 believe
2:31:24 we
2:31:24 could
2:31:25 accidentally
2:31:25 do
2:31:25 that
2:31:26 they
2:31:26 thought
2:31:26 we
2:31:26 were
2:31:26 going
2:31:26 to
2:31:26 be
2:31:27 intervening
2:31:28 militarily
2:31:28 on
2:31:28 behalf
2:31:29 of
2:31:29 Saddam
2:31:30 so
2:31:30 Khamenei
2:31:31 who’s
2:31:31 not
2:31:31 the
2:31:31 supreme
2:31:32 leader
2:31:32 at
2:31:32 the
2:31:32 time
2:31:33 he
2:31:33 was
2:31:33 the
2:31:33 Iranian
2:31:34 president
2:31:35 he
2:31:35 and
2:31:35 Raf
2:31:35 Sanjani
2:31:36 they
2:31:36 go
2:31:36 to
2:31:37 Khomeini
2:31:37 and
2:31:38 they
2:31:38 say
2:31:38 Mr.
2:31:39 Ayatollah
2:31:40 we
2:31:40 gotta
2:31:40 sue
2:31:40 for
2:31:40 peace
2:31:41 with
2:31:41 the
2:31:41 Iraqis
2:31:42 because
2:31:42 the
2:31:42 Americans
2:31:42 are
2:31:43 intervening
2:31:43 and
2:31:43 we
2:31:44 cannot
2:31:45 fight
2:31:45 the
2:31:45 Americans
2:31:46 we
2:31:46 fought
2:31:46 this
2:31:46 brutal
2:31:47 war
2:31:47 we’ll
2:31:48 continue
2:31:48 with
2:31:48 Saddam
2:31:49 we
2:31:49 cannot
2:31:49 fight
2:31:49 the
2:31:49 United
2:31:50 States
2:31:50 of
2:31:50 America
2:31:50 I
2:31:51 think
2:31:51 Scott’s
2:31:51 right
2:31:52 like
2:31:52 that
2:31:53 perception
2:31:53 that
2:31:54 there’s
2:31:54 no way
2:31:54 they
2:31:54 can
2:31:54 fight
2:31:54 the
2:31:55 United
2:31:55 States
2:31:55 of
2:31:55 America
2:31:55 because
2:31:56 that’s
2:31:56 regime
2:31:56 ending
2:31:57 potentially
2:31:57 even
2:31:57 if
2:31:57 we
2:31:58 don’t
2:31:58 intend
2:31:58 to
2:31:59 that
2:32:08 chalice
2:32:09 and
2:32:09 I
2:32:09 will
2:32:09 agree
2:32:09 to
2:32:09 a
2:32:10 ceasefire
2:32:10 on
2:32:11 pretty
2:32:11 tough
2:32:12 terms
2:32:12 for
2:32:12 Iran
2:32:13 it’s
2:32:13 interesting
2:32:14 now
2:32:15 36
2:32:16 years
2:32:16 later
2:32:16 or
2:32:17 37
2:32:17 years
2:32:17 later
2:32:19 Khamenei
2:32:19 is now
2:32:19 going to
2:32:20 decide
2:32:20 to
2:32:20 drink
2:32:21 the
2:32:21 poison
2:32:21 chalice
2:32:22 does
2:32:22 he
2:32:23 agree
2:32:23 to
2:32:23 a
2:32:24 negotiated
2:32:25 deal
2:32:25 with
2:32:25 the
2:32:25 United
2:32:26 States
2:32:26 does
2:32:26 he
2:32:26 agree
2:32:26 to
2:32:27 deal
2:32:27 that
2:32:28 President
2:32:28 Trump
2:32:28 and
2:32:28 I
2:32:28 mean
2:32:29 Scott
2:32:29 criticizes
2:32:29 me
2:32:29 for
2:32:30 it
2:32:30 but
2:32:31 that’s
2:32:31 President
2:32:31 Trump’s
2:32:31 position
2:32:32 is
2:32:32 no
2:32:32 enrichment
2:32:33 full
2:32:33 dismantlement
2:32:34 by
2:32:34 the
2:32:34 way
2:32:34 that’s
2:32:34 backed
2:32:35 up
2:32:35 by
2:32:35 52
2:32:36 of
2:32:36 53
2:32:36 Republican
2:32:37 senators
2:32:37 and
2:32:38 177
2:32:39 House
2:32:39 GOP
2:32:39 members
2:32:40 and
2:32:40 backed
2:32:40 by
2:32:41 everybody
2:32:41 in
2:32:41 his
2:32:42 administration
2:32:43 including
2:32:43 JD
2:32:44 Vance
2:32:44 who’s
2:32:44 been
2:32:44 emphatic
2:32:45 about
2:32:45 that
2:32:46 does
2:32:46 he
2:32:46 agree
2:32:46 to
2:32:47 that
2:32:47 deal
2:32:47 or
2:32:48 does
2:32:48 he
2:32:48 decide
2:32:49 I’m
2:32:49 not
2:32:49 going
2:32:49 to
2:32:49 drink
2:32:49 the
2:32:50 poison
2:32:50 chalice
2:32:50 and
2:32:51 I
2:32:51 am
2:32:51 going
2:32:51 to
2:32:52 take
2:32:53 other
2:32:54 options
2:32:54 now
2:32:54 I
2:32:54 agree
2:32:54 with
2:32:55 Scott
2:32:55 like
2:32:56 going
2:32:56 after
2:32:56 US
2:32:57 military
2:32:57 basis
2:32:57 except
2:32:58 in a
2:32:58 symbolic
2:32:58 way
2:32:59 suicidal
2:33:00 closing
2:33:00 the
2:33:00 straits
2:33:00 of
2:33:01 her
2:33:01 moves
2:33:02 40%
2:33:02 of
2:33:02 Chinese
2:33:03 oil
2:33:03 goes
2:33:03 through
2:33:03 there
2:33:04 the
2:33:04 Chinese
2:33:04 have
2:33:04 been
2:33:04 saying
2:33:05 Iran
2:33:05 don’t
2:33:05 you
2:33:06 dare
2:33:06 by
2:33:06 the
2:33:06 way
2:33:07 100%
2:33:07 of
2:33:07 Iranian
2:33:07 oil
2:33:08 goes
2:33:08 from
2:33:08 Iran
2:33:09 and
2:33:09 Karg
2:33:10 Island
2:33:10 through
2:33:10 the
2:33:11 straits
2:33:11 of
2:33:11 her
2:33:11 moves
2:33:11 so
2:33:12 economically
2:33:12 suicidal
2:33:13 for
2:33:13 the
2:33:13 Iranians
2:33:14 to
2:33:14 do
2:33:14 that
2:33:15 terror
2:33:16 attacks
2:33:17 absolutely
2:33:17 I mean
2:33:17 that
2:33:17 has
2:33:17 been
2:33:18 their
2:33:18 modus
2:33:18 operandi
2:33:19 for
2:33:19 years
2:33:19 so
2:33:20 I
2:33:20 would
2:33:20 be
2:33:20 concerned
2:33:21 about
2:33:22 terrorist
2:33:23 attacks
2:33:24 against
2:33:24 US
2:33:24 targets
2:33:25 against
2:33:26 civilians
2:33:28 potentially
2:33:28 sleeper
2:33:29 cells
2:33:29 in the
2:33:29 United
2:33:29 States
2:33:30 so
2:33:30 he’s
2:33:31 used
2:33:31 terror
2:33:32 cells
2:33:32 around
2:33:32 the
2:33:32 world
2:33:33 he’s
2:33:33 engaged
2:33:34 in a
2:33:34 decades
2:33:35 long
2:33:35 assassination
2:33:36 campaign
2:33:36 including
2:33:37 on
2:33:37 American
2:33:37 soil
2:33:37 by the
2:33:38 way
2:33:38 sometimes
2:33:39 successfully
2:33:39 sometimes
2:33:40 not
2:33:41 including
2:33:41 most
2:33:41 recently
2:33:41 where
2:33:42 he
2:33:42 went
2:33:42 after
2:33:43 an
2:33:43 Iranian
2:33:43 American
2:33:44 three
2:33:45 times
2:33:45 to
2:33:45 try
2:33:45 to
2:33:46 assassinate
2:33:46 her
2:33:47 in
2:33:47 New
2:33:47 York
2:33:48 a
2:33:48 woman
2:33:48 named
2:33:48 Masi
2:33:49 Alinejad
2:33:49 and
2:33:50 so
2:33:51 he’s
2:33:51 got to
2:33:51 be
2:33:52 calculating
2:33:52 like
2:33:53 what
2:33:53 is
2:33:53 my
2:33:53 play
2:33:54 so
2:33:54 if
2:33:54 I
2:33:54 don’t
2:33:54 do
2:33:55 a
2:33:55 deal
2:33:56 how
2:33:56 can
2:33:56 I
2:33:57 actually
2:33:58 squeeze
2:33:58 the
2:33:58 Americans
2:33:59 and
2:33:59 Scott’s
2:34:00 right
2:34:00 like
2:34:00 he
2:34:00 must
2:34:01 be
2:34:01 thinking
2:34:01 to
2:34:01 himself
2:34:02 you
2:34:03 know
2:34:03 what
2:34:04 I
2:34:04 was
2:34:04 literally
2:34:04 on
2:34:04 the
2:34:05 99
2:34:05 yard
2:34:05 line
2:34:06 with
2:34:07 entire
2:34:07 nuclear
2:34:07 weapons
2:34:08 capability
2:34:09 I
2:34:09 should
2:34:09 have
2:34:09 crossed
2:34:09 goal
2:34:10 line
2:34:10 if
2:34:10 I
2:34:10 had
2:34:10 a
2:34:11 warhead
2:34:11 a
2:34:11 nuclear
2:34:12 warhead
2:34:12 or
2:34:13 multiple
2:34:13 nuclear
2:34:13 warheads
2:34:14 as
2:34:14 they
2:34:14 had
2:34:14 been
2:34:15 trying
2:34:15 to
2:34:15 build
2:34:16 since
2:34:17 the
2:34:17 Ahmad
2:34:17 plan
2:34:18 in
2:34:18 early
2:34:19 2000s
2:34:20 there’s
2:34:20 no way
2:34:21 Israel
2:34:21 and the
2:34:21 United
2:34:22 States
2:34:22 would
2:34:22 have
2:34:22 hit me
2:34:23 militarily
2:34:23 if I
2:34:23 had
2:34:23 nuclear
2:34:24 weapons
2:34:24 and I
2:34:24 would
2:34:24 have
2:34:24 had
2:34:25 the
2:34:25 ultimate
2:34:25 deterrence
2:34:26 to
2:34:26 prevent
2:34:27 that
2:34:27 and
2:34:27 then
2:34:27 I
2:34:27 would
2:34:28 be
2:34:28 like
2:34:28 Kim
2:34:28 Jong
2:34:29 with
2:34:29 nuclear
2:34:30 weapons
2:34:30 I
2:34:31 would
2:34:31 then
2:34:31 build
2:34:32 ICBMs
2:34:32 have
2:34:33 the
2:34:33 ultimate
2:34:34 deterrent
2:34:34 to
2:34:34 stop
2:34:35 that
2:34:35 so
2:34:35 he’s
2:34:35 got
2:34:35 to
2:34:35 be
2:34:36 thinking
2:34:36 maybe
2:34:37 now
2:34:37 and
2:34:37 I
2:34:38 can
2:34:38 guarantee
2:34:38 you
2:34:39 the
2:34:39 revolutionary
2:34:40 guards
2:34:40 do you
2:34:40 think
2:34:40 that
2:34:41 might
2:34:41 have
2:34:41 anything
2:34:42 to do
2:34:42 with
2:34:42 the
2:34:42 fact
2:34:43 that
2:34:43 America
2:34:44 attacked
2:34:44 Iraq
2:34:44 and
2:34:45 Libya
2:34:45 when
2:34:46 they
2:34:46 did
2:34:46 not
2:34:46 have
2:34:47 weapons
2:34:47 of
2:34:47 mass
2:34:48 destruction
2:34:48 programs
2:34:49 can I
2:34:49 tell you
2:34:49 the
2:34:49 Libya
2:34:49 example
2:34:50 I
2:34:50 think
2:34:50 Scott
2:34:50 is
2:34:50 the
2:34:51 most
2:34:51 interesting
2:34:51 one
2:34:51 for
2:34:52 me
2:34:52 right
2:34:53 because
2:34:53 the
2:34:53 Libya
2:34:54 example
2:34:54 it was
2:34:54 big
2:34:54 mistake
2:34:55 by
2:34:55 the
2:34:55 way
2:34:55 Ukraine
2:34:55 is
2:34:56 another
2:34:56 good
2:34:56 example
2:34:56 of
2:34:56 this
2:34:57 we
2:34:57 went
2:34:57 to
2:34:57 the
2:34:57 Libyans
2:34:58 and
2:34:58 we
2:34:58 said
2:34:59 you
2:34:59 must
2:34:59 fully
2:35:00 dismantle
2:35:00 your
2:35:00 program
2:35:01 and
2:35:01 Gaddafi
2:35:02 said
2:35:03 reluctantly
2:35:03 under
2:35:03 huge
2:35:04 American
2:35:04 pressure
2:35:05 okay
2:35:05 I’ll
2:35:05 do
2:35:05 it
2:35:06 and
2:35:06 the
2:35:08 Americans
2:35:08 went
2:35:08 in
2:35:08 there
2:35:09 and
2:35:09 literally
2:35:10 hauled
2:35:10 out
2:35:10 his
2:35:10 entire
2:35:11 nuclear
2:35:11 it
2:35:11 wasn’t
2:35:11 really
2:35:12 a
2:35:12 program
2:35:12 it
2:35:12 was
2:35:12 just
2:35:12 a
2:35:13 bunch
2:35:13 of
2:35:13 AQ
2:35:14 cons
2:35:14 junk
2:35:14 sitting
2:35:14 in
2:35:15 crates
2:35:15 in
2:35:16 warehouse
2:35:16 they
2:35:16 did
2:35:16 not
2:35:17 have
2:35:17 the
2:35:17 capability
2:35:18 to
2:35:18 make
2:35:18 a
2:35:19 nuclear
2:35:19 program
2:35:19 at
2:35:19 all
2:35:20 in
2:35:20 Libya
2:35:20 they
2:35:20 didn’t
2:35:20 have
2:35:20 the
2:35:22 engineers
2:35:22 the
2:35:22 scientists
2:35:23 or
2:35:23 anyone
2:35:24 so
2:35:24 Gaddafi
2:35:24 had
2:35:25 bought
2:35:25 that
2:35:25 junk
2:35:25 just
2:35:26 to
2:35:26 trade
2:35:26 it
2:35:26 away
2:35:26 just
2:35:26 to
2:35:27 be
2:35:27 clear
2:35:27 there
2:35:27 never
2:35:28 was
2:35:28 a
2:35:29 nuclear
2:35:29 weapons
2:35:30 program
2:35:31 of
2:35:31 any
2:35:31 kind
2:35:32 in
2:35:32 Libya
2:35:32 but
2:35:33 that
2:35:33 wasn’t
2:35:33 my
2:35:34 point
2:35:34 okay
2:35:34 my
2:35:34 point
2:35:35 is
2:35:35 he
2:35:35 had
2:35:35 a
2:35:35 nuclear
2:35:36 program
2:35:36 and
2:35:37 we
2:35:37 can
2:35:37 debate
2:35:38 again
2:35:39 how
2:35:46 but
2:35:46 that’s
2:35:46 not
2:35:46 the
2:35:46 point
2:35:47 the
2:35:47 point
2:35:47 is
2:35:47 we
2:35:47 did
2:35:48 a
2:35:48 deal
2:35:48 with
2:35:48 Gaddafi
2:35:49 we
2:35:49 pulled
2:35:50 out
2:35:50 his
2:35:50 nuclear
2:35:51 program
2:35:52 and
2:35:52 then
2:35:53 I
2:35:53 don’t
2:35:53 know
2:35:53 how
2:35:53 many
2:35:53 years
2:35:54 later
2:35:54 but
2:35:54 it
2:35:54 wasn’t
2:35:54 too
2:35:54 many
2:35:55 years
2:35:55 later
2:35:55 seven
2:35:56 years
2:35:56 later
2:35:56 thank
2:35:56 you
2:35:57 Scott
2:35:57 we
2:35:57 actually
2:35:58 took
2:35:59 took
2:35:59 Gaddafi
2:36:00 out
2:36:01 and
2:36:01 he
2:36:01 didn’t
2:36:01 have
2:36:01 a
2:36:02 nuclear
2:36:02 program
2:36:03 so
2:36:03 we
2:36:03 took
2:36:03 him
2:36:03 out
2:36:04 in
2:36:04 the
2:36:04 Libya
2:36:05 operation
2:36:05 now
2:36:06 Ukraine
2:36:06 is
2:36:07 another
2:36:07 great
2:36:07 example
2:36:08 Ukrainians
2:36:08 after
2:36:08 the
2:36:08 fall
2:36:08 of
2:36:09 Soviet
2:36:09 Union
2:36:09 you
2:36:09 know
2:36:10 this
2:36:10 they
2:36:10 had
2:36:11 the
2:36:11 Soviet
2:36:11 nuclear
2:36:12 arsenal
2:36:12 or
2:36:12 good
2:36:13 parts
2:36:13 of
2:36:13 it
2:36:13 on
2:36:13 their
2:36:14 soil
2:36:14 so
2:36:14 we
2:36:15 went
2:36:15 to
2:36:15 them
2:36:15 and
2:36:15 we
2:36:15 said
2:36:16 here’s
2:36:16 a deal
2:36:16 for you
2:36:17 give up
2:36:17 the
2:36:18 nuclear
2:36:18 arsenal
2:36:19 off
2:36:19 your
2:36:20 territory
2:36:21 and
2:36:21 we
2:36:22 and
2:36:22 the
2:36:22 Russians
2:36:23 and the
2:36:23 French
2:36:24 guarantee
2:36:24 your
2:36:25 territorial
2:36:25 integrity
2:36:26 and
2:36:26 your
2:36:27 sovereignty
2:36:27 as
2:36:27 a
2:36:27 country
2:36:28 so
2:36:28 the
2:36:28 Ukrainians
2:36:28 said
2:36:29 fair
2:36:29 deal
2:36:29 to
2:36:30 me
2:36:30 gave
2:36:30 all
2:36:30 the
2:36:31 nuclear
2:36:38 promised
2:36:38 to
2:36:38 respect
2:36:38 it
2:36:38 and
2:36:39 the
2:36:39 Russians
2:36:39 promised
2:36:40 to
2:36:40 and
2:36:40 both
2:36:41 sides
2:36:41 broke
2:36:41 that
2:36:42 promise
2:36:42 but
2:36:42 there’s
2:36:43 nothing
2:36:43 like
2:36:43 a
2:36:44 guarantee
2:36:44 that
2:36:45 America
2:36:45 would
2:36:45 protect
2:36:46 Ukraine’s
2:36:47 sovereignty
2:36:47 and
2:36:48 they
2:36:49 had no
2:36:49 ability
2:36:50 to
2:36:50 use
2:36:50 those
2:36:50 nukes
2:36:51 anyway
2:36:51 because
2:36:52 they
2:36:52 were
2:36:52 Soviet
2:36:53 nukes
2:36:53 with
2:36:53 Soviet
2:36:54 codes
2:36:54 they
2:36:54 belonged
2:36:55 to
2:36:55 the
2:36:55 Soviet
2:36:55 military
2:36:56 and
2:36:56 the
2:36:56 Ukrainians
2:36:57 had
2:36:57 no
2:36:57 ability
2:36:57 to
2:36:58 use
2:36:58 them
2:36:58 or
2:36:58 deliver
2:36:58 them
2:36:59 they
2:36:59 were
2:36:59 married
2:36:59 to
2:37:00 missiles
2:37:00 that
2:37:00 were
2:37:00 made
2:37:03 my
2:37:03 point
2:37:04 is
2:37:06 if
2:37:06 you’re
2:37:07 Khamenei
2:37:07 and
2:37:07 you’ve
2:37:07 seen
2:37:08 those
2:37:08 two
2:37:08 examples
2:37:09 of
2:37:09 Libya
2:37:10 you
2:37:10 gave
2:37:10 up
2:37:11 your
2:37:11 nuclear
2:37:12 program
2:37:12 Gaddafi
2:37:12 gets
2:37:13 taken
2:37:13 down
2:37:14 you’re
2:37:14 Ukraine
2:37:15 you gave
2:37:15 up
2:37:15 your
2:37:15 nuclear
2:37:16 weapons
2:37:17 and
2:37:17 the
2:37:17 Russians
2:37:17 invaded
2:37:18 twice
2:37:18 if
2:37:18 you’re
2:37:19 Khamenei
2:37:19 thinking
2:37:19 to
2:37:20 yourself
2:37:20 the
2:37:20 only
2:37:21 thing
2:37:21 that
2:37:21 matters
2:37:21 more
2:37:21 to
2:37:21 me
2:37:22 than
2:37:22 my
2:37:22 nuclear
2:37:22 weapons
2:37:23 program
2:37:23 is
2:37:23 my
2:37:24 regime
2:37:24 survival
2:37:25 and
2:37:25 in
2:37:25 12
2:37:25 days
2:37:26 of
2:37:26 war
2:37:27 the
2:37:27 Israelis
2:37:28 specifically
2:37:28 because
2:37:32 we
2:37:32 the
2:37:32 United
2:37:33 States
2:37:34 hit
2:37:34 those
2:37:34 sites
2:37:35 we
2:37:35 the
2:37:36 United
2:37:36 States
2:37:37 hit
2:37:37 those
2:37:37 sites
2:37:37 the
2:37:38 gleeful
2:37:38 nature
2:37:39 Scott
2:37:39 like
2:37:40 stop
2:37:40 take
2:37:40 that
2:37:40 out
2:37:41 there’s
2:37:41 no
2:37:41 place
2:37:42 here
2:37:42 in
2:37:43 this
2:37:43 room
2:37:43 with
2:37:44 me
2:37:44 the
2:37:45 un-American
2:37:45 bullshit
2:37:47 don’t
2:37:47 do
2:37:47 that
2:37:48 the
2:37:48 implication
2:37:49 here
2:37:49 man
2:37:50 is
2:37:50 that
2:37:51 I
2:37:51 me
2:37:53 am
2:37:53 un-American
2:37:54 I’ve
2:37:54 been
2:37:54 attacked
2:37:54 just
2:37:54 like
2:37:54 the
2:37:55 Russian
2:37:55 hoax
2:37:56 for
2:37:56 being
2:37:56 a
2:37:56 Putin
2:37:57 shill
2:37:57 I’m
2:37:57 an
2:37:58 American
2:37:59 when you
2:37:59 talk
2:38:00 about
2:38:00 Ukraine’s
2:38:01 war
2:38:01 with
2:38:01 Russia
2:38:01 do
2:38:01 you
2:38:01 say
2:38:02 we
2:38:03 or
2:38:03 do
2:38:03 you
2:38:03 say
2:38:03 they
2:38:04 I
2:38:04 said
2:38:04 we
2:38:04 the
2:38:04 United
2:38:05 States
2:38:05 we
2:38:05 actually
2:38:06 added
2:38:06 the
2:38:06 United
2:38:06 States
2:38:07 but
2:38:07 you
2:38:07 would
2:38:07 just
2:38:07 describe
2:38:08 Israel
2:38:08 strikes
2:38:09 Israel
2:38:09 didn’t
2:38:09 strike
2:38:09 for
2:38:10 dough
2:38:10 Scott
2:38:10 you
2:38:10 talked
2:38:11 about
2:38:11 the
2:38:11 U.S.
2:38:12 attack
2:38:12 you
2:38:13 you’re
2:38:13 speaking
2:38:13 you’re speaking
2:38:14 to
2:38:14 other
2:38:15 people
2:38:15 that
2:38:15 you’ve
2:38:16 heard
2:38:16 that
2:38:17 somehow
2:38:18 they
2:38:18 do
2:38:18 say
2:38:19 we
2:38:20 and
2:38:20 they
2:38:20 talk
2:38:21 about
2:38:22 I
2:38:22 would
2:38:22 say
2:38:24 ridiculously
2:38:25 as if
2:38:26 I’ve
2:38:26 even heard
2:38:27 some people
2:38:27 basically put
2:38:28 Israel above
2:38:29 U.S.
2:38:30 and they’re
2:38:31 American citizens
2:38:32 yeah that’s
2:38:32 fucking
2:38:33 ridiculous
2:38:34 but none
2:38:34 of those
2:38:35 people are
2:38:35 in this
2:38:35 room
2:38:37 there are
2:38:37 demons
2:38:38 under the
2:38:38 bed
2:38:38 I’m
2:38:39 sure those
2:38:39 people exist
2:38:40 there’s
2:38:40 ridiculous
2:38:40 people
2:38:41 on the
2:38:41 internet
2:38:41 there’s
2:38:42 ridiculous
2:38:42 people
2:38:43 in
2:38:43 Congress
2:38:44 we can
2:38:44 criticize
2:38:45 them
2:38:45 make fun
2:38:45 of
2:38:46 them
2:38:46 say
2:38:46 they’re
2:38:47 fucking
2:38:47 foundation
2:38:47 for
2:38:48 defense
2:38:48 of
2:38:48 democracy
2:38:48 has been
2:38:49 the
2:38:49 vanguard
2:38:49 of the
2:38:50 war
2:38:50 party
2:38:50 in this
2:38:50 country
2:38:51 for 25
2:38:51 years
2:38:52 well that’s
2:38:52 a different
2:38:53 criticism
2:38:53 but I was
2:38:54 it’s an
2:38:54 important
2:38:55 one
2:38:55 yeah but
2:38:56 no you
2:38:56 just
2:38:56 switched
2:38:57 you just
2:38:57 switched
2:38:58 well
2:38:59 you
2:39:00 no no
2:39:01 no no
2:39:01 no no
2:39:02 there’s
2:39:02 no
2:39:03 you just
2:39:03 switched
2:39:04 from the
2:39:04 un-American
2:39:05 discussion
2:39:05 to
2:39:06 criticizing
2:39:06 policies
2:39:06 that
2:39:11 un-American
2:39:11 bullshit
2:39:12 Lex
2:39:12 the
2:39:13 neoconservative
2:39:14 movement is the
2:39:15 vanguard of the
2:39:16 Israel lobby
2:39:17 that’s who they are
2:39:17 that’s what
2:39:19 neoconservatism is about
2:39:20 that’s who the
2:39:20 war party is
2:39:21 I’m not a neoconservative
2:39:22 so I don’t know who he’s
2:39:22 talking about
2:39:23 but I’m not a neoconservative
2:39:24 let’s not mix stuff up
2:39:26 there is a massive
2:39:27 Israel lobby
2:39:27 in America
2:39:28 in Washington
2:39:29 that is
2:39:30 inseparable
2:39:31 from the
2:39:32 American war party
2:39:32 I’ve talked to
2:39:33 John Mearsham
2:39:34 I respect him
2:39:34 deeply
2:39:35 he’s one of the
2:39:35 most brilliant
2:39:37 people speaking
2:39:37 on that topic
2:39:38 great
2:39:39 great
2:39:39 let’s just talk
2:39:40 about today
2:39:41 and the
2:39:42 nuclear proliferation
2:39:43 you guys have been
2:39:44 brilliant on this
2:39:45 I’m learning a lot
2:39:45 let’s continue
2:39:47 let’s go back
2:39:47 to where
2:39:48 Khamenei may be
2:39:49 I mean
2:39:50 in a bunker
2:39:51 86 years old
2:39:52 thinking he’s going
2:39:52 to drink the
2:39:53 poison chalice
2:39:54 and agree to a
2:39:54 deal with
2:39:55 Donald Trump
2:39:55 in Oman
2:39:56 or is he going
2:39:56 to do all
2:39:57 of the things
2:39:58 that Scott
2:39:58 and I
2:39:58 are concerned
2:39:59 about
2:40:00 and one
2:40:00 of those
2:40:01 and Scott
2:40:01 has pointed
2:40:02 this out
2:40:02 rightly so
2:40:04 is he may
2:40:05 decide now
2:40:06 to break out
2:40:07 for the nuke
2:40:08 or creep out
2:40:09 for the nuke
2:40:09 he may decide
2:40:10 not to do it
2:40:10 now
2:40:11 he may decide
2:40:11 to do it
2:40:12 in three and a half
2:40:13 years when
2:40:13 President Trump
2:40:14 is gone
2:40:15 right
2:40:15 and I think
2:40:16 that the
2:40:17 important thing
2:40:18 is he’s seen
2:40:19 we
2:40:19 the United
2:40:20 States
2:40:21 we
2:40:22 took out
2:40:22 Fordow
2:40:23 and Natanz
2:40:24 and Isfahan
2:40:26 in one operation
2:40:27 with B-2 bombers
2:40:28 and
2:40:29 12
2:40:30 30,000 pound
2:40:31 massive orange
2:40:31 penetrators
2:40:33 and Tomahawk
2:40:33 missiles
2:40:34 so if he
2:40:34 doesn’t think
2:40:35 if he didn’t
2:40:36 think that
2:40:36 the United
2:40:37 States had
2:40:38 serious military
2:40:38 power before
2:40:39 he now
2:40:40 knows we
2:40:40 do
2:40:41 so to you
2:40:42 that operation
2:40:44 was geopolitically
2:40:44 a success
2:40:45 it sends a message
2:40:46 of strength
2:40:47 that if you try
2:40:47 to build
2:40:48 you’re going
2:40:48 to be punished
2:40:49 for it
2:40:49 so I’ve
2:40:50 I’ve said
2:40:50 I’ve said
2:40:50 online
2:40:51 in the past
2:40:52 12 days
2:40:52 and even
2:40:53 before that
2:40:54 curb your
2:40:54 enthusiasm
2:40:55 curb your
2:40:56 enthusiasm
2:40:56 to all the
2:40:56 people
2:40:57 related to
2:40:57 which topic
2:40:57 yeah
2:40:58 just just
2:40:59 this sort
2:40:59 of idea
2:40:59 that this
2:41:00 has been
2:41:00 like this
2:41:01 unbelievable
2:41:01 success
2:41:02 and everything’s
2:41:03 great and
2:41:03 everything’s going
2:41:04 to be amazing
2:41:04 and we’ve
2:41:05 stopped the
2:41:05 nuclear weapons
2:41:06 program
2:41:07 and this
2:41:07 has been
2:41:08 a resounding
2:41:08 success
2:41:09 I’ve just
2:41:09 said kind
2:41:09 of curb
2:41:09 your
2:41:10 enthusiasm
2:41:11 Khamenei
2:41:12 remains very
2:41:13 dangerous
2:41:13 the regime
2:41:14 remains very
2:41:15 dangerous
2:41:15 a wounded
2:41:16 animal
2:41:16 is the most
2:41:17 dangerous
2:41:18 animal
2:41:18 in the animal
2:41:19 kingdom
2:41:20 he retains
2:41:20 key capabilities
2:41:21 to build
2:41:21 weapons
2:41:22 you demanded
2:41:23 unconditional
2:41:23 surrender
2:41:24 on twitter
2:41:24 again last
2:41:25 night right
2:41:26 after trump
2:41:26 said there’s
2:41:27 a ceasefire
2:41:27 what does
2:41:28 unconditional
2:41:28 surrender
2:41:28 mean
2:41:29 no enrichment
2:41:30 full dismantlement
2:41:31 yes exactly
2:41:31 right it’s
2:41:32 exactly what
2:41:33 president trump
2:41:33 well
2:41:34 not regime
2:41:34 change
2:41:34 unconditional
2:41:35 surrender
2:41:35 in world
2:41:36 war ii
2:41:36 meant the
2:41:36 end of the
2:41:37 nazi regime
2:41:37 and the
2:41:38 imperialist
2:41:38 japanese
2:41:39 regime
2:41:39 entirely
2:41:40 right
2:41:40 but president
2:41:40 trump
2:41:42 made it very
2:41:42 clear
2:41:43 he made it
2:41:44 clear
2:41:45 i don’t
2:41:45 support
2:41:45 regime
2:41:46 change
2:41:46 well except
2:41:47 for that
2:41:47 one
2:41:49 a few
2:41:49 hours
2:41:49 earlier
2:41:50 right
2:41:50 i’ll
2:41:50 i’ll
2:41:51 i actually
2:41:51 i’ll
2:41:52 i mean
2:41:52 i’ll explain
2:41:53 that one
2:41:53 because i
2:41:53 thought it
2:41:54 was really
2:41:54 analyzing
2:41:55 like it’s
2:41:55 shakespeare
2:41:55 what is
2:41:55 that
2:41:56 yeah yeah
2:41:56 and what
2:41:57 what did
2:41:57 he also
2:41:57 mean
2:41:58 we have
2:41:58 two
2:41:58 countries
2:41:59 that have
2:41:59 been
2:41:59 fighting
2:42:00 so long
2:42:00 it’s
2:42:00 so hard
2:42:01 that they
2:42:01 don’t know
2:42:01 what the
2:42:02 fuck
2:42:02 they’re
2:42:02 doing
2:42:02 what’s
2:42:02 that
2:42:03 about
2:42:03 he was
2:42:03 angry
2:42:04 that israel
2:42:04 was still
2:42:05 attacking
2:42:05 after he
2:42:05 promised
2:42:06 they weren’t
2:42:07 he demanded
2:42:07 they turn
2:42:08 their planes
2:42:08 around
2:42:09 he felt
2:42:09 that they
2:42:09 were doing
2:42:10 it in
2:42:10 defiance
2:42:11 of their
2:42:11 agreement
2:42:12 but he
2:42:12 didn’t
2:42:12 but he didn’t
2:42:12 say israel
2:42:13 he’s just
2:42:13 the both
2:42:14 countries
2:42:14 different quote
2:42:15 different quote
2:42:16 he did say
2:42:16 i demand
2:42:17 i believe it
2:42:17 was a tweet
2:42:18 from true
2:42:18 social
2:42:19 i demand
2:42:19 that israel
2:42:20 turn those
2:42:21 planes around
2:42:21 right now
2:42:22 was how upset
2:42:23 he was about
2:42:23 i guess
2:42:24 donald trump
2:42:25 doesn’t listen
2:42:25 to bb
2:42:25 all the time
2:42:26 does he
2:42:26 yeah i guess
2:42:27 he’s fine
2:42:27 now they
2:42:28 respect him
2:42:28 about as much
2:42:28 as they
2:42:29 respect the
2:42:29 palestinian
2:42:30 well that’s
2:42:30 how he’s
2:42:31 just the
2:42:31 help
2:42:33 world leaders
2:42:33 are interested
2:42:33 in their
2:42:34 own nation
2:42:35 that’s right
2:42:35 fuck you
2:42:35 over
2:42:36 good
2:42:37 important lesson
2:42:37 there everyone
2:42:38 but i think
2:42:38 what does
2:42:39 israel care
2:42:39 about
2:42:40 israel
2:42:41 every country
2:42:41 every country
2:42:42 that defends
2:42:43 its national
2:42:43 interests
2:42:44 i mean that’s
2:42:44 not unusual
2:42:45 for israel
2:42:45 or any other
2:42:45 country
2:42:46 but i think
2:42:47 to understand
2:42:47 we’re supposed
2:42:48 to pretend
2:42:48 that hey
2:42:49 whatever israel
2:42:49 needs
2:42:50 we’re here
2:42:50 to serve
2:42:51 their interests
2:42:51 if those
2:42:52 people exist
2:42:53 they’re un-american
2:42:54 if people put
2:42:54 israel’s interest
2:42:55 we fight
2:42:55 terrorism
2:42:56 together
2:42:56 well we do
2:42:57 well we
2:42:59 generate terrorism
2:42:59 together
2:42:59 what are you
2:43:00 talking about
2:43:01 but that doesn’t
2:43:01 mean you put
2:43:02 israel’s interest
2:43:03 above america’s
2:43:04 if you do
2:43:05 you’re un-american
2:43:05 you know how many
2:43:06 american lives
2:43:07 israel intelligence
2:43:08 community
2:43:08 is saved
2:43:11 and ask
2:43:11 people in the
2:43:12 fbi and cia
2:43:12 who work
2:43:13 counterterrorism
2:43:13 how many
2:43:14 american lives
2:43:15 the israelis
2:43:15 have saved
2:43:16 because of
2:43:17 their intelligence
2:43:18 capabilities
2:43:19 how about
2:43:20 when naftali
2:43:20 bennett
2:43:21 well again
2:43:22 bombed that
2:43:22 shelter full
2:43:23 of women
2:43:23 and children
2:43:24 and caused
2:43:24 the september
2:43:25 11th attack
2:43:26 that’s what
2:43:27 happened
2:43:27 in fact
2:43:27 i don’t know
2:43:28 if you know
2:43:28 the story
2:43:28 but you could
2:43:29 google this
2:43:29 you like
2:43:29 google and
2:43:29 things
2:43:30 it’s on
2:43:30 google books
2:43:31 you can read
2:43:32 perfect soldiers
2:43:33 by terry
2:43:33 mcdermott
2:43:34 or you could
2:43:34 read the
2:43:35 looming tower
2:43:36 by lawrence
2:43:36 right
2:43:36 where both
2:43:37 of them
2:43:37 explain
2:43:38 how when
2:43:39 shimon perez
2:43:39 launched
2:43:40 operation
2:43:40 grapes
2:43:41 of wrath
2:43:41 that
2:43:41 ramzi
2:43:42 bin
2:43:42 al-shib
2:43:42 and
2:43:43 mohammed
2:43:43 atta
2:43:43 filled out
2:43:44 their last
2:43:44 will and
2:43:44 testament
2:43:45 which was
2:43:46 like symbolically
2:43:46 joining the
2:43:46 army
2:43:47 to fight
2:43:48 against the
2:43:48 infidels
2:43:49 etc etc
2:43:49 and when
2:43:49 and when
2:43:50 bin laden
2:43:50 put out
2:43:51 his first
2:43:51 declaration
2:43:52 of war
2:43:52 a couple
2:43:52 of months
2:43:53 later
2:43:53 it began
2:43:54 with a
2:43:54 whole rant
2:43:55 about the
2:43:56 106
2:43:56 women and
2:43:56 children
2:43:57 that
2:43:57 naftali
2:43:58 bennett
2:43:58 had killed
2:43:59 with an
2:43:59 artillery
2:44:00 strike
2:44:00 in a
2:44:01 un shelter
2:44:01 in
2:44:04 canna
2:44:05 in 1996
2:44:06 and he
2:44:06 said
2:44:07 we’ll never
2:44:07 forget the
2:44:08 severed arms
2:44:09 and heads
2:44:09 and legs
2:44:09 of the
2:44:10 little
2:44:10 babies
2:44:10 etc
2:44:11 and it
2:44:11 was then
2:44:12 that
2:44:12 mohammed
2:44:13 atta
2:44:13 and ramzi
2:44:14 bin al-shib
2:44:15 decided that
2:44:15 they would
2:44:16 join al-qaeda
2:44:17 and that
2:44:17 they these
2:44:18 egyptian
2:44:18 engineering
2:44:19 students
2:44:19 studying in
2:44:20 hamburg
2:44:20 germany
2:44:21 would volunteer
2:44:21 for the
2:44:22 saudi
2:44:22 sheik
2:44:23 to kill
2:44:23 3 000
2:44:24 americans
2:44:25 to get
2:44:25 revenge
2:44:26 for what
2:44:26 israel
2:44:27 was doing
2:44:27 to helpless
2:44:28 women and
2:44:28 children
2:44:30 in lebanon
2:44:30 as well
2:44:31 as of course
2:44:32 that ignores
2:44:32 the history
2:44:32 of al-qaeda
2:44:33 which for years
2:44:34 before that
2:44:35 was not on
2:44:35 the united
2:44:35 states
2:44:36 and britain
2:44:36 and saudi
2:44:37 arabia
2:44:38 against the
2:44:38 united states
2:44:39 but executing
2:44:39 them
2:44:40 you guys
2:44:41 love pulling
2:44:41 each other
2:44:42 into history
2:44:44 america’s
2:44:45 problem
2:44:45 with al-qaeda
2:44:46 is because
2:44:48 of israel
2:44:49 america and
2:44:49 israel are
2:44:50 terrorist
2:44:51 states
2:44:51 they were
2:44:52 america’s
2:44:52 mercenaries
2:44:53 that we used
2:44:54 in afghanistan
2:44:54 in bosnia
2:44:55 in kosovo
2:44:56 and chechnya
2:44:57 but they turned
2:44:58 against us
2:44:59 they turned
2:45:00 against us
2:45:00 anyone can
2:45:01 read michael
2:45:02 schweir’s book
2:45:02 the former
2:45:03 chief of the
2:45:03 cia
2:45:03 bin laden
2:45:04 wrote his
2:45:05 great book
2:45:06 imperial hubris
2:45:07 and it’s about
2:45:08 how the number
2:45:09 one reason
2:45:10 they attacked
2:45:10 us was
2:45:11 american bases
2:45:11 on saudi
2:45:12 soiled
2:45:12 to bomb
2:45:12 iraq
2:45:13 as part
2:45:14 of israel’s
2:45:15 dual
2:45:15 containment
2:45:16 policy
2:45:16 and the
2:45:17 second reason
2:45:18 was american
2:45:18 support for
2:45:19 israel
2:45:19 in their
2:45:20 merciless
2:45:20 persecution
2:45:21 of the
2:45:21 palestinians
2:45:22 and the
2:45:22 lebanese
2:45:22 that’s the
2:45:23 most articulate
2:45:24 justification
2:45:24 i’ve ever
2:45:24 heard for
2:45:25 al-qaeda
2:45:25 in my
2:45:26 life
2:45:26 but let’s
2:45:27 let’s not
2:45:28 a justification
2:45:29 i’m not saying
2:45:30 that makes
2:45:31 what they did
2:45:31 right
2:45:32 i’m saying
2:45:33 that was how
2:45:33 bin laden
2:45:34 recruited his
2:45:35 foot soldiers
2:45:35 to attack
2:45:36 this country
2:45:37 was by citing
2:45:38 american
2:45:38 foreign policies
2:45:40 that were
2:45:41 directly to
2:45:41 the detriment
2:45:42 of the people
2:45:42 of the middle
2:45:43 east and
2:45:44 specifically our
2:45:45 support for
2:45:45 israel and
2:45:46 i’ve never
2:45:47 heard a pro
2:45:48 in fact i take
2:45:48 that back there’s
2:45:50 one guy a liberal
2:45:50 from the nation
2:45:51 magazine named
2:45:52 eric alterman is
2:45:53 the only pro
2:45:54 israel guy i’ve
2:45:55 ever heard say
2:45:56 well that may be
2:45:58 true but i still
2:45:58 say we gotta
2:45:59 support israel
2:46:00 anyway the
2:46:01 others they’ll
2:46:01 just pretend that
2:46:02 terry mcdermott
2:46:03 never wrote that
2:46:03 book that lawrence
2:46:04 right never wrote
2:46:05 that book that
2:46:06 muhammad atta had
2:46:07 no motive to turn
2:46:08 on the united
2:46:09 states except for
2:46:10 muhammad made him
2:46:11 do it when in fact
2:46:12 what it was is it
2:46:12 was the ultra
2:46:13 violence of
2:46:14 shimon perez and
2:46:16 artillery officer
2:46:17 naftali bennett
2:46:18 slaughtering women
2:46:19 and children that
2:46:20 turned america’s
2:46:20 mercenaries america
2:46:21 backed the arab
2:46:22 afghan army in
2:46:23 afghanistan in
2:46:24 bosnia in
2:46:25 kosovo and in
2:46:26 chechnya as i
2:46:26 demonstrate in my
2:46:28 book and yet as
2:46:28 he correctly says
2:46:29 they turned on us
2:46:30 all through the
2:46:32 1990s bill clinton
2:46:32 was still backing
2:46:33 them anyway after
2:46:34 they were attacking
2:46:35 us and including
2:46:36 at kobar towers
2:46:36 and they were
2:46:38 doing that is this
2:46:39 was a bin ladenite
2:46:40 plot not hezbollah
2:46:41 not the shiites
2:46:42 this was the bin
2:46:43 ladenites getting
2:46:44 revenge against us
2:46:45 for support for
2:46:46 israel and being
2:46:47 too close to their
2:46:48 local dictators that
2:46:49 they wanted to
2:46:50 overthrow namely the
2:46:51 king of saudi and
2:46:52 the el presidente of
2:46:54 egypt yes that is
2:46:55 the cause of the
2:46:56 september 11th attack
2:46:56 against the united
2:46:57 states not the
2:46:58 taliban hate
2:46:59 freedom but the
2:47:01 bin ladenites hate
2:47:02 american support for
2:47:03 israel and america
2:47:05 adopting yeah
2:47:06 policies israeli
2:47:07 centric policies like
2:47:09 martin index uh dual
2:47:10 containment policy in
2:47:12 19 america i think
2:47:12 al-qaeda hates
2:47:13 america scott i think
2:47:14 why you know what
2:47:15 yeah i’ll tell you
2:47:16 what ali sufan you
2:47:17 know ali sufan the
2:47:18 former fbi agent
2:47:19 counterterrorism agent
2:47:20 he wrote in his book
2:47:21 the black banners that
2:47:23 the bin ladenites said
2:47:24 to bin laden we
2:47:25 don’t understand why
2:47:26 you’re so angry at
2:47:27 america they’ve been
2:47:28 so good to us in
2:47:31 afghanistan in bosnia in
2:47:32 kosovo and now here
2:47:34 in chechnya why do
2:47:34 you want to attack
2:47:35 them and not
2:47:37 i have a larger
2:47:38 agenda that you
2:47:38 don’t understand
2:47:39 the disagreement
2:47:40 between you is clear
2:47:41 i’ve talked to noam
2:47:42 chomsky twice
2:47:43 this guy you focus on
2:47:44 the criticism
2:47:44 you should interview
2:47:45 michael shoyer
2:47:46 although he’s gone
2:47:47 pretty crazy lately i
2:47:48 don’t know maybe not
2:47:50 anyway we’re going
2:47:51 into history we’re
2:47:52 learning a lot the
2:47:53 perspectives differ
2:47:54 strongly uh can we
2:47:56 look into the maybe a
2:47:57 ridiculous question but
2:47:58 a nuclear proliferation
2:47:58 question you already
2:47:59 started to speak to
2:48:01 both of you uh if
2:48:02 you look like 10 20
2:48:04 years out now does
2:48:07 does the u.s attacking
2:48:08 iran does that send a
2:48:12 message even to mbs to
2:48:13 other middle eastern
2:48:14 nations that they need
2:48:15 to start thinking about
2:48:17 um a nuclear weapon
2:48:19 program it’s specifically
2:48:21 like do you think just
2:48:22 in a numbers way does
2:48:23 the number of nukes in
2:48:24 the world go up in 10
2:48:26 20 30 years so look i
2:48:27 i think uh it’s a
2:48:28 great question will
2:48:29 there be more nuclear
2:48:30 weapons powers in the
2:48:31 future uh or less as
2:48:32 a result of this decision
2:48:35 by president trump so i
2:48:35 actually think there’ll
2:48:37 be less um and i’ll
2:48:39 tell you uh it’s succinctly
2:48:40 as i can and that is
2:48:41 that it’s been very clear
2:48:43 from the saudis from the
2:48:46 turks um certainly from
2:48:48 the um even the
2:48:49 algerians and others that
2:48:51 if iran gets a nuclear
2:48:52 weapon they too want a
2:48:53 nuclear weapon in fact
2:48:55 the saudis have gone even
2:48:56 further and said if if
2:48:57 iran is allowed to
2:48:58 retain the key
2:48:59 enrichment capability
2:49:01 that they have under
2:49:03 jcpoa that we want
2:49:04 that too there’s an
2:49:05 iran standard we want
2:49:06 the iran standard we
2:49:07 don’t want the gold
2:49:08 standard in fact that’s
2:49:09 been the subject of
2:49:11 intensive negotiations
2:49:11 between the united
2:49:12 states and saudi
2:49:13 arabia for the past
2:49:14 couple years both under
2:49:16 biden and trump as part
2:49:17 of the u.s saudi
2:49:19 uh agreement defense
2:49:20 agreement and economic
2:49:21 agreement that that has
2:49:23 been underway it is it’s
2:49:24 very clear that there’s
2:49:25 going to be a
2:49:26 proliferation cascade in
2:49:27 the middle east if the
2:49:28 iranians get a nuclear
2:49:29 weapon and certainly if
2:49:30 they’re allowed to retain
2:49:32 this enrichment capability
2:49:33 i also worry about we
2:49:34 haven’t even talked about
2:49:35 it at all this
2:49:36 conversation i mean the
2:49:38 most important area in
2:49:39 the world the united
2:49:40 states is not the middle
2:49:41 east it’s china and the
2:49:43 indo-pacific and i worry
2:49:44 that the south koreans
2:49:46 the taiwanese and the
2:49:47 japanese will say you
2:49:48 know we don’t trust in
2:49:50 any u.s commitments to
2:49:52 stop nuclear weapons
2:49:53 you’ve failed on iran
2:49:55 we don’t trust you we
2:49:56 don’t trust your nuclear
2:49:58 umbrella we too want
2:50:00 nuclear weapons in order
2:50:01 to guard our security
2:50:03 against china and so what
2:50:05 you would see i i hope
2:50:06 it doesn’t happen but i
2:50:07 worry about is this kind
2:50:08 of proliferation cascade
2:50:10 in the middle east and in
2:50:11 the indo-pacific two of
2:50:12 the most important areas
2:50:13 for american national
2:50:14 security which is why i
2:50:15 think it’s very important
2:50:18 that that be that iran’s
2:50:19 be stopped now whether
2:50:21 this attack is succeeds
2:50:22 in stopping iran’s
2:50:23 nuclear weapon or
2:50:25 accelerates it we we
2:50:26 disagree but i think
2:50:28 neither us know yet hard
2:50:30 to predict but what i
2:50:31 think is absolutely
2:50:32 certain is that if iran
2:50:34 develops that nuclear
2:50:35 weapon and is allowed to
2:50:36 retain the key
2:50:37 capabilities to do so
2:50:38 you’re going to see
2:50:40 five six countries in
2:50:40 the middle east at
2:50:41 least three four
2:50:41 countries in the
2:50:43 indo-pacific asking for
2:50:44 the same capability and
2:50:45 then you’re going to
2:50:46 have a club of nuclear
2:50:48 weapons powers that
2:50:49 will have an additional
2:50:50 five six seven over the
2:50:52 next 10 to 20 years
2:50:53 what if they don’t what
2:50:54 if they’re prevented
2:50:55 doesn’t that still send
2:50:56 the same message to
2:50:58 everybody that they
2:51:00 should build oh i
2:51:00 think it sends the
2:51:01 opposite message lex i
2:51:03 think if they see what
2:51:04 has happened and that
2:51:05 it’s and that it’s
2:51:06 successful and it
2:51:07 stopped iran from
2:51:08 developing nuclear
2:51:09 weapons and in
2:51:11 addition trump was
2:51:12 able to negotiate an
2:51:13 agreement for zero
2:51:15 enrichment and full
2:51:16 dismantlement then the
2:51:17 message to all these
2:51:18 other countries is number
2:51:20 one you don’t need it and
2:51:21 number two if you try to
2:51:22 get it then the united
2:51:24 states is going to use
2:51:25 american power now i’m not
2:51:26 suggesting the united
2:51:27 states is going to start
2:51:28 bombing the saudis or the
2:51:29 turks or the emiratis
2:51:31 clearly not the japanese i
2:51:31 mean these are many of
2:51:33 them are allies but i think
2:51:34 the united states retains
2:51:36 many tools counter
2:51:37 proliferation tools to
2:51:38 prevent these countries
2:51:39 from developing nuclear
2:51:41 weapons including you
2:51:42 know sanctions and
2:51:43 export controls and many
2:51:45 of the things and plus i
2:51:45 think those countries
2:51:47 you know i understand
2:51:48 that in the middle east
2:51:51 despite scott’s focus on
2:51:53 israel you know when you
2:51:55 talk to arab leaders
2:51:57 their biggest concern is
2:51:58 the threat from iran it’s
2:51:59 not the threat from israel
2:52:00 they’re not concerned with
2:52:01 the threat from israel
2:52:02 that’s why you had the
2:52:03 abraham accords you know
2:52:05 this is why the uae and
2:52:07 bahrain and morocco entered
2:52:08 into this peace agreement
2:52:09 with israel the saudis will
2:52:10 one day and they’ll bring
2:52:12 many other arab and muslim
2:52:13 countries in it they don’t
2:52:14 say israel is a threat they
2:52:16 see iran as a threat and so
2:52:17 if you counter that threat
2:52:19 you eliminate iran’s
2:52:20 nuclear weapons
2:52:22 proliferation and
2:52:23 expansion those countries
2:52:25 now no longer have to
2:52:27 build nuclear weapons
2:52:28 capabilities to counter the
2:52:30 iranians now we’ve also
2:52:31 restored our credibility
2:52:34 we don’t bluff we said
2:52:35 iran doesn’t develop nuclear
2:52:36 weapons they won’t
2:52:38 and now it’s the japanese
2:52:40 who have as scott rightly
2:52:41 pointed out they do have
2:52:43 reprocessing and plutonium
2:52:46 capabilities the taiwanese who
2:52:47 used to have a military
2:52:48 nuclear weapons program and
2:52:49 gave it up and the south
2:52:51 koreans who agree to our
2:52:52 gold standard of zero
2:52:54 enrichment zero reprocessing
2:52:56 those three countries can now
2:52:57 say okay we rely on the
2:53:00 united states on your word
2:53:02 on your power and on your
2:53:04 ability to to actually turn
2:53:06 words into action we don’t
2:53:07 need nuclear weapons so i i’d
2:53:10 say if successful big f big
2:53:12 f if successful then it’s
2:53:15 going to be a significant
2:53:18 um guard against the
2:53:19 potential of greater nuclear
2:53:21 proliferation and we will
2:53:23 have less nuclear powers
2:53:25 nuclear weapons powers than uh
2:53:26 than we otherwise would have
2:53:27 my favorite thing is when you
2:53:29 guys point out when you agree
2:53:30 with the other person
2:53:32 anyway uh sky what do you
2:53:33 think what do you think
2:53:34 everything that’s just
2:53:35 happened over the past two
2:53:37 weeks does to nuclear nuclear
2:53:39 proliferation over the next
2:53:40 five ten twenty years
2:53:42 oh i mean i really don’t know
2:53:43 for sure but i would think
2:53:45 that um the uh there’s a very
2:53:48 great danger that it’s going
2:53:49 to reinforce the lessons of
2:53:51 north korea iraq and libya
2:53:53 which is you better get a nuke
2:53:55 to keep america out and you
2:53:56 better hurry before it’s too
2:53:58 late now for the saudis they’re
2:53:59 not going to do that because
2:54:00 they’re obviously a very
2:54:02 close american client state so
2:54:03 it’s a different dynamic there
2:54:05 but you know for any country
2:54:06 that has trouble with the
2:54:07 united states or is worried
2:54:09 about the future of their
2:54:10 ability to maintain their
2:54:11 national sovereignty
2:54:13 obviously getting their hands
2:54:14 on an a-bomb as quickly as
2:54:17 possible is uh has been you
2:54:18 know re-incentivized to a
2:54:20 great degree also i’m really
2:54:20 worried about the future of
2:54:22 the non-proliferation treaty
2:54:23 where the nuclear weapons
2:54:24 states promise to respect the
2:54:26 right of non-nuclear weapons
2:54:27 states to civilian nuclear
2:54:30 energy and where here you
2:54:34 have a non-npt signatory
2:54:36 nuclear weapons state israel
2:54:38 launch an aggressive war against
2:54:42 an npt signatory that is was
2:54:44 not attacking them and was not
2:54:45 making nuclear weapons and with
2:54:47 the assistance of the world
2:54:49 empire the united states another
2:54:51 nuclear weapons state signatory
2:54:53 to the npt and i don’t really
2:54:55 take this that seriously but it’s
2:54:57 worth at least listening to is
2:55:01 uh midvedev the uh once and
2:55:02 probably future president of
2:55:04 russia he said oh yeah well
2:55:05 maybe we’ll just give them a
2:55:07 nuke or kind of implied maybe
2:55:09 get pakistan to now for people
2:55:11 familiar with like key and peel
2:55:13 midvedev is sort of angry obama
2:55:15 right for putin you know that
2:55:17 skit where it’s like obama talks
2:55:19 all calm anger translator he’ll
2:55:20 goes off like an angry black guy
2:55:22 kind of character right going nuts
2:55:25 on twitter midvedev he he goes
2:55:27 way out you know above and beyond
2:55:28 but i think he’s probably acting on
2:55:30 instructions to talk that way and it
2:55:33 is a real risk that the mpt could
2:55:36 just fall apart when it becomes when
2:55:38 it’s treated uh so callously by the
2:55:40 united states who invented it and
2:55:42 insisted that the rest of the world
2:55:43 adopt the thing to such a great
2:55:45 degree trump did say don’t use the
2:55:47 n-word he he talked down to midvedev
2:55:48 that’s right yeah he did around the end
2:55:51 the nuclear word yeah well and and i
2:55:53 appreciate that good and i he’s
2:55:55 right he’s right in that it’s not
2:55:57 and look the pakistanis could give a
2:55:59 nuke to iran who are their friends i
2:56:01 think not the tightest of allies i’m
2:56:03 not saying i predict that but there’s a
2:56:06 danger of that um now when it comes to
2:56:09 you know eastern asia obviously there’s
2:56:11 a concern about a chinese threat to
2:56:13 taiwan but nobody thinks china’s coming
2:56:17 for south korea or japan the the
2:56:19 question of taiwan is one that’s very
2:56:21 different because as the american
2:56:23 president agreed with mao seetong 50
2:56:26 years ago taiwan is part of china and
2:56:28 eventually will be reunited although we
2:56:31 hope that’s not by force since then they
2:56:33 have essentially abandoned marxism although
2:56:34 it’s still a one-party authoritarian
2:56:37 state but they’ve essentially abandoned
2:56:39 marked marxism adopted markets at least
2:56:40 to the degree that they’ve been able to
2:56:44 afford to now build up a giant naval force
2:56:47 that is capable of retaking taiwan and so
2:56:49 i think the way to prevent that is not
2:56:51 for making a bunch of threats and
2:56:53 setting examples in other places about
2:56:56 how tough we are but to negotiate with
2:56:58 the chinese and the taiwanese and figure
2:57:00 out a way to reunite the two in a
2:57:03 peaceful way in order to prevent that
2:57:05 war from breaking out because in fact we
2:57:07 don’t really have the naval and air
2:57:09 capability to defend taiwan we could
2:57:12 lose a lot of guys trying and probably
2:57:14 kill a lot of chinese trying but in the
2:57:16 end they’d probably take taiwan anyway
2:57:18 we’d have lost a bunch of ships and and
2:57:21 planes for nothing so we can negotiate an
2:57:23 end to that and then even if america just
2:57:26 withdrew from the region we could still
2:57:28 negotiate long-term agreements between
2:57:31 china japan south korea and whoever
2:57:33 there’s no reason to think that everyone
2:57:36 would make a mad scramble to a bomb to
2:57:39 protect them uh if the moment they are out
2:57:42 from under america’s nuclear umbrella and
2:57:44 so forth and the fact of the matter is
2:57:48 that um you know the greatest threat to
2:57:50 the status quo as far as the nuclear
2:57:52 powers go probably is what just happened
2:57:55 america in israel launching this war
2:57:58 against a non-nuclear weapon state as a
2:57:59 member in good standing of this treaty
2:58:02 throws the the whole as they call it the
2:58:05 liberal rules based world order into
2:58:08 question i mean if these rules repeatedly
2:58:11 always apply to everyone else but very
2:58:14 often not to us then are they really the
2:58:16 law or this is just the will of men in
2:58:19 washington dc and how long do we expect the
2:58:21 rest of the world to go ahead and abide by
2:58:23 that if you know a deal is a deal until we
2:58:26 decide as bill clinton said to wake up one
2:58:27 morning and decide that we don’t like it
2:58:30 anymore and and change it that was a phrase
2:58:34 from the founding act of 97 maybe we’ll
2:58:35 wake up one morning and decide that we
2:58:37 don’t want to do something else entirely
2:58:39 now is that your bill clinton impression
2:58:41 no i’ll spare you okay that was pretty
2:58:43 good after the show when we’re not
2:58:45 recording yeah can i respond to a couple
2:58:47 things here just really quickly i’ll try
2:58:49 to do it quickly um first of all you know
2:58:51 the notion that iran is in full compliance
2:58:54 with the npt um is is just not the case
2:58:56 the international atomic energy agency has
2:58:58 made it clear in report after report after
2:59:01 report that iran is in violation of its
2:59:04 obligations under the um protocols of the
2:59:07 iaea under the request that the iaea have
2:59:10 made and under the npt so they are a serial
2:59:12 violator of the npt unlike all these other
2:59:14 countries we’ve been talking about that are
2:59:18 allies second is this this quote um iran
2:59:21 is not attacking israel that’s quite an
2:59:24 amazing quote um which kind of ignores i
2:59:28 think uh 50 60 years of iranian attacks
2:59:33 against israel including um suicide bombings
2:59:40 and missiles and drones and october 7th and
2:59:42 it’s indisputable that iran has been
2:59:44 attacking israel and they’ve been they’ve
2:59:46 been doing it for many years through their
2:59:49 terror proxies that they fund and finance and
2:59:53 and weaponize and since uh october 7th they
2:59:56 directly struck israel with hundreds of
2:59:58 ballistic missiles in april and october of
3:00:00 last year so this notion that before 12 days
3:00:03 ago iranians were just playing nice with
3:00:05 israelis and the israelis just came out of
3:00:07 the blue well you said quote unquote iran is
3:00:09 not as not attacking israel so i mean it’s
3:00:11 just not true yeah they were not in a state
3:00:13 of war until israel launched a state of war
3:00:15 that’s the fact yeah they were at war you go
3:00:17 oh well they backed a group that did a
3:00:19 thing yeah okay kill thousands of israelis
3:00:21 maimed thousands of israelis but that
3:00:23 suicide was not ordered in tehran the wall
3:00:25 street journal says that u.s intelligence
3:00:27 does not believe that tehran ordered that
3:00:28 attack like they found out about what
3:00:30 the wall street journal says and what the
3:00:32 u.s intelligence says and we can dispute
3:00:35 whether they directed it on october 7th
3:00:38 everybody knows indisputably that iran
3:00:41 financed hamas provided fun
3:00:44 hamas with weapons just well just a second
3:00:48 provided hamas with weapons that the irgc and
3:00:50 the quds force were training hamas hezbollah
3:00:52 backed by iran was training hamas there were
3:00:55 three meetings before october 7th one in
3:00:57 beirut one in damascus and one in tehran
3:01:00 where the irgc hezbollah hamas and
3:01:02 palestinian islamic jihad were together
3:01:04 there was a meeting in tehran that was
3:01:06 attended by khamenei the supreme leader
3:01:08 now at those three meetings right before
3:01:10 october 7th you know maybe they’re
3:01:12 discussing the weather maybe they were
3:01:14 discussing persian poetry i don’t know
3:01:16 but it is hard to believe they weren’t
3:01:18 discussing something and the fact that
3:01:21 they had armed hamas financed hamas and
3:01:23 weaponized hamas suggests to me that
3:01:25 there is pretty overwhelming evidence that
3:01:27 iran has been at war with israel for
3:01:29 decades critics of israel will say that
3:01:31 benjamin netanyahu has also been
3:01:34 indirectly financing hamas by allowing the
3:01:36 fund the funds going to say that america
3:01:39 backs israel so anything israel does is
3:01:41 america’s responsibility to under that
3:01:42 same logic right
3:01:45 i think you started to make a point
3:01:47 disagreeing with scott about that they’re
3:01:49 not a good member of the npt that’s all
3:01:51 tiny technical violations none of that
3:01:53 has anything to do with weaponization
3:01:55 it’s always oh yeah how do you explain
3:01:56 this isotope and they go well it must
3:01:58 have came with the pakistani junk that we
3:01:59 bought from akikon and then later that’s
3:02:01 verified and they go yeah well we want to
3:02:03 inspect this let us and they go no and
3:02:05 then they do a year later and then they
3:02:07 find nothing yeah that’s just not the
3:02:09 case that’s just the entire history of
3:02:12 iran of the iaea’s objections to iran so
3:02:13 your listeners i know they’re not going to
3:02:15 do it because it’s a lot of technical
3:02:17 reading with weaponization but just go out
3:02:19 go out and diversion of nuclear reports
3:02:23 dating back at least 20 years and you’ll
3:02:26 see the ia meticulously methodically
3:02:30 dispassionately outlining all of the
3:02:34 violations that iran has embarked on of
3:02:36 the npt virtually all those are resolved
3:02:38 later they won’t answer this and then
3:02:40 later they do they won’t answer that and
3:02:42 then later they do and many open files are
3:02:44 still of it still there i mean just again
3:02:46 like i just i just want your viewers to
3:02:48 walk away from this conversation thing okay
3:02:50 that’s interesting i i didn’t know that and
3:02:52 that i’m gonna go fact check mark and fact
3:02:54 check scott and just kind of see what this
3:02:56 is all about right because otherwise it’s
3:02:59 just he says she says or he says he says
3:03:03 the fact of the matter is is that iran has
3:03:06 been in violations of its obligations under
3:03:09 the npt under the additional protocol it
3:03:12 never been never uh it never ratified under
3:03:16 its safeguards obligations under the npt it
3:03:19 suggests a pattern of nuclear mendacity they
3:03:21 abided by the additional protocol without
3:03:23 having ratified it they abided by it for
3:03:25 three years and did not proceed with any
3:03:27 enrichment at all as long as they were
3:03:29 dealing in good faith with the eu until
3:03:32 w bush ruin those negotiations and close
3:03:33 them down only then did they begin to
3:03:35 install the centrifuges at natance it’s
3:03:37 always the americans screw things you
3:03:39 complain they didn’t ratify the thing but
3:03:41 they abided by it for years so that’s an
3:03:44 interesting violation of it but i think a
3:03:46 more pragmatic and important disagreement
3:03:50 that we already spoke to is how do we
3:03:52 decrease the incentive for iran to build
3:03:54 nuclear programs not just the next couple
3:03:57 years but it’s 10 20 years what that’s you’re
3:03:59 mocking that there’s a lot of people that
3:04:01 will there’s neocons that say basically
3:04:03 invade everything let’s make money off of
3:04:05 war but there’s people that will say that
3:04:08 you know operation midnight hammer is
3:04:12 actually a focused hard demonstration of
3:04:13 strength a piece of strength that is an
3:04:16 effective way to do geopolitics i mean
3:04:17 there’s cases to be made for all of it if
3:04:20 we’re really lucky yeah so it’s a big risk
3:04:22 is your case so here’s some practical
3:04:24 recommendations that i think the united states
3:04:27 should follow i think the first is you know
3:04:29 get the iranians back to oman negotiate
3:04:31 with them and do a deal again the deal has to
3:04:33 be no enrichment full dismantlement i i think
3:04:35 for the reasons we talked about today scott and
3:04:37 i passionately disagreed but that’s fine we
3:04:40 this is this is a reasonable debate
3:04:42 neither of us is crazy neither of us is
3:04:45 irrational it is what would it take to get a
3:04:48 deal with iran i say i say this is the deal
3:04:50 this has to be our red line scott disagrees
3:04:51 that’s fine but we got to get a deal
3:04:54 in that deal we got to provide them financial
3:04:55 incentives right we’re going to have to lift
3:04:59 a certain number of sanctions because they’re
3:05:00 going to have to get something in return
3:05:04 okay we can argue about exactly how much but
3:05:05 i think our opening negotiating position is
3:05:07 no sanctions relief and then we’ll get
3:05:10 negotiated down from that right i mean like
3:05:12 i think a lot of this is about how do you
3:05:14 position yourself for negotiation how do you
3:05:16 how do you come in with leverage and then
3:05:19 how do you find areas of compromise where
3:05:22 you you satisfy your objectives one is oman
3:05:25 two is the credible threat of military force
3:05:28 needs to remain right khamenei needs to
3:05:29 understand that the united states of america
3:05:33 and israel will use military force to stop
3:05:34 him from developing nuclear weapons if he
3:05:37 didn’t believe that before 12 days ago he
3:05:39 now believes that and i think that’s the
3:05:42 credibility of that military force has to
3:05:44 be maintained in order to ensure that he
3:05:46 does not break out or sneak out to a nuclear
3:05:48 weapon i think that’s absolutely critical
3:05:50 third is i think we have to reach agreements
3:05:52 with all the other countries in the middle
3:05:54 east to say hey listen we’re demanding
3:05:56 zero enrichment and full dismantlement from
3:05:58 the iranians you don’t get enrichment and
3:06:01 you don’t get a nuclear program that is capable of
3:06:04 developing nuclear weapons our gold standard is
3:06:07 the american standard civilian nuclear energy
3:06:10 like 23 countries no enrichment and reprocess we
3:06:12 should be consistent we should be consistent not
3:06:14 just with american allies but also very clear with
3:06:16 american enemies i think that’s the third
3:06:19 important thing we do fourth is i think it’s
3:06:23 really important that we find some kind of
3:06:26 accommodation between the israelis and the
3:06:29 palestinians we can go down many rabbit holes on
3:06:32 that but i think that lays the predicate for a
3:06:35 saudi israeli normalization deal that then brings in
3:06:39 multiple arab countries and muslim countries and
3:06:42 finally is we talked about the abraham
3:06:44 accords i i think we need to start thinking about
3:06:47 what are the cyrus accords look like right cyrus was
3:06:50 the great persian king right who by the way brought the you
3:06:55 know the jews back from um from the diaspora to jerusalem and
3:07:00 cyrus accords would be let’s find an agreement between the united states and
3:07:05 israel and iran that would be a remarkable transformation in the region if we
3:07:08 could actually do that so imagine a middle east and again i know this sounds
3:07:12 fanciful but i think this is what trump has in mind when he starts to talk
3:07:15 about the things you’re seeing in these truth posts is actually a middle east that
3:07:19 can be fundamentally transformed where we actually do bring peace
3:07:25 between israel iran saudi arabia and the rest of these countries i by the way
3:07:31 completely agree with you on syria the idea that we are trusting a former
3:07:36 al-qaeda isis jihadist uh to rule syria i think is a big bet
3:07:40 president trump has made he’s made it on the advice of mbs
3:07:46 we’ll see how that transforms uh or transpires and see if syria is transformed
3:07:50 but the notion that somehow we should just be rolling the dice lifting all the
3:07:57 sanctions and taking this former al-qaeda jihadist at his word is uh a big bet
3:08:00 if we get the bet right that is actually a remarkable
3:08:04 occurrence because now all of a sudden syria and lebanon are brought into
3:08:09 this abraham accord cyrus accords structure and then we actually have what
3:08:13 i think that all three of us want is peace in the middle east stability in the
3:08:17 middle east i don’t think we need democracy in the middle east i think if the
3:08:20 middle east looked like the uae that’d be a pretty good middle east i think we’d
3:08:24 all be pretty comfortable with that if that kind of stability and prosperity
3:08:28 and ultimately you could put these countries on a pathway to greater democracy
3:08:33 the way that we did during the cold war where countries like taiwan and south
3:08:37 korea that were military dictatorships end up becoming pro-western democracy so
3:08:42 that’s kind of stepping back maybe a little bit pollyannish but i think we
3:08:45 should also always keep in mind what a potential vision for peace could look
3:08:52 right so scott as many people know here in austin texas you’re the director of
3:08:56 the libertarian institute um let’s zoom out a bit what are the key
3:09:01 pillars of libertarianism and how that informs how you see the world
3:09:09 well the very basis of libertarianism is the non-aggression principle but uh which
3:09:12 essentially is the same thing as our our social rules for dealing with each other
3:09:18 in private life no force no theft no fraud and keep your hands to yourself and we
3:09:23 apply that same moral law to government and so you know some libertarians are
3:09:28 anarcho-capitalists some are uh so-called minarchists meaning we want the absolute
3:09:33 minimum amount of government a night watchman type state uh and in other words
3:09:38 just enough to enforce contracts and protect property rights and allow freedom and a
3:09:44 free market to work there’s also of course natural rights theory austrian school economics and a lot
3:09:53 of revisionist history um and uh and it something very uh key to uh libertarian theory was is
3:09:58 expressed by murray and rothbard was that war is the key to the whole libertarian business
3:10:02 because especially in the united states of america as long as we maintain a world empire
3:10:07 makes it impossible for us to have a limited and decentralized government here at home as our
3:10:12 constitution describes and so i was going to crack a joke but neither of you have called me an
3:10:17 isolationist yet but i was going to joke that yes as as thomas jefferson wrote in the declaration of
3:10:23 isolation um the same guy a principal author of the declaration of isolation he said in his first
3:10:28 inaugural address we seek peace commerce and honest friendship with all nations and entangling
3:10:33 alliances with none and that’s the true libertarian philosophy think dr ron paul the great congressman
3:10:39 uh for many years up there he was opposed to all sanctions all economic war on the rest of the world
3:10:47 and the entire state of the united states as world empire and what’s strange now is that anyone who
3:10:55 wants just peace as the standard is considered an isolationist and people who are for world empire
3:11:00 and a permanent state of conflict with the rest of the world economic war coups and regime changes and
3:11:06 even invasions those are considered normal people it’s almost like people who want peace should be
3:11:12 called cis foreign policy because now we gotta we have to come up with a funny word to describe a
3:11:19 normal state of being when no one calls mexico an isolationist state just because they mind their own
3:11:26 business and is there any faction anywhere in america that calls themselves isolationist even the paleo
3:11:32 conservatives who favor much more like trade protectionism and that kind of thing than libertarians
3:11:37 they don’t call themselves isolationists they still want to have an open relationship with the world
3:11:43 to some degree when isolation means like the hermit kingdom of north korea or some crazy thing like
3:11:49 that no one wants that for the united states of america what we want is independence non-interventionism
3:11:55 and peace so to you isolationism is a kind of dirty word that’s right it’s a smear term invented by
3:12:00 interventionists and internationalists to attack anyone who didn’t want to go along with their agenda
3:12:06 the term itself is used essentially as a smear against anyone who doesn’t want to go to war
3:12:13 so can you actually just deeper describe what non-interventionism means so how much sort of
3:12:18 display of military strength should be there do you think dr paul said we could defend this country
3:12:24 with a couple of good submarines which by the way for people who don’t know one american trident sub
3:12:31 could essentially kill every city and military base in russia just one so he’s absolutely right about
3:12:36 that couple of good submarines are enough to defend our coast and deter anyone from messing with the
3:12:42 united states of america and then i admit i’m a little bit idealistic about this that i think of
3:12:49 that old william jennings bryan speech behold a republic where unlike the empires of europe burdened
3:12:56 under the weight of militarism here we have a free country and where you know what we could do
3:13:02 we could be the host of peace conferences everywhere there are frozen conflicts in the
3:13:10 conflicts in the donbass in kaliningrad in transnistria in taiwan in korea um virtually all the borders of africa
3:13:17 and eurasia were drawn by european powers to either divide and conquer their enemies or artificially group
3:13:22 their enemies together in order to keep them internally divided and conquered in those ways so
3:13:28 there are a great many borders in the world that are in contention and that people might even want
3:13:34 to fight about and i think that america could play a wonderful role in helping to negotiate and resolve
3:13:40 those types of conflicts without resorting to force or or even making any promises on the part of the u.s
3:13:44 government like we’ll pay egypt to pretend to be nice to israel or anything like that but just
3:13:50 find ways to host conferences and and find resolutions to these problems and i think quite
3:13:56 sincerely that donald trump right now could get on a plane to tehran he could then go to moscow
3:14:03 to beijing and pyongyang and he could come home and be trump the great we in fact don’t have to have
3:14:10 the especially the american hyper power as the french called it the world empire we have everything to give
3:14:15 nothing to lose to go ahead and donald trump even talked like this you might remember when he first
3:14:20 was sworn in this time he said you know what instead of pivoting from terrorism to great power competition
3:14:26 with russia and china i don’t want to do that i just want to get along with both of them let’s just move
3:14:31 on and have the rest of the century be peace and prosperity and not fighting at all why should we have
3:14:38 to pivot to china let’s just pivot to capitalism and trade and freedom and peace that’s america first
3:14:44 yeah i’ve uh i’ve criticized trump a lot but i think maybe he’s just rhetoric but i think he talks about
3:14:49 peace a lot even just recently the the number of times the word peace is mentioned and with seriousness
3:14:58 not you get like a genuine desire for peace from him and that’s just beautiful to see for the leader of
3:15:03 of this country and look man there used to be a time when a third of the planet was dominated by
3:15:08 the communists right so like i’m not gonna sit here and argue the first cold war with you my book’s
3:15:14 about the second one and i’m not as good on the first but since the end of the first cold war we have let
3:15:22 the neoconservative policy of the defense plan and guidance of 92 and rebuilding america’s defenses and
3:15:31 the rest of this american uh dominance centered policy uh control our entire direction in the world
3:15:35 it’s led to the war on terrorism in the middle east seven countries we’ve attacked it’s led to the
3:15:42 disaster in eastern europe and it’s leading toward disaster in eastern asia when there’s just no reason
3:15:48 in the world that it has to be this way with the commies dead and gone and again i to stipulate here
3:15:53 the chinese flag is still red it’s still a one-party dictatorship but they have abandoned
3:15:58 marxism i mean people were starving to death by the tens of millions there it’s a huge it’s probably
3:16:03 the greatest improvement in the condition of mankind anywhere ever in the shortest amount of time
3:16:07 when deng Xiaoping and the right wing of the communist party took over in that country
3:16:12 just one more thing you mentioned the two submarines what’s the role of nuclear weapons
3:16:19 well i would like for america to have an extremely minimal nuclear deterrent and work toward a world
3:16:25 free of nuclear weapons and i know that that sounds utopian however i would remind your audience that
3:16:31 ronald reagan and mikhail gorbachev came within a hair of achieving a deal just like that at reikovic
3:16:40 iceland in 1986 and they were both of them dead serious about it complete and total nuclear disarmament
3:16:46 and then reagan was essentially bullied by richard pearl and others on his staff saying you promised
3:16:51 the american people that you would build them a defensive anti-missile system the star wars system
3:16:57 which was total pie in the sky technological fantasy of the 1980s and if you’re getting rid of
3:17:02 all the icbms then why the hell do you need a missile shield anyway it was the world’s probably
3:17:07 greatest tragedy that ever took place that ronald reagan walked away from those negotiations they
3:17:15 literally were within a hair and it wasn’t magic and there was no trust in evil bad guys this is by the
3:17:21 way two years before the wall came down this is when everybody still thought the ussr was gonna last
3:17:28 and reagan had the plan was that america and the soviet union would dismantle our nuclear weapons
3:17:32 until we were right around with parity with the other nuclear weapon states who all have right around
3:17:38 two or three hundred nukes france britain at that time israel and china indian pakistan came later south
3:17:43 africa only had a few then but gave up whatever they had and the idea was we would get down to two or
3:17:48 three hundred and then america and the soviet union both together would lean hard on britain france and
3:17:54 china let’s all get down to 100 let’s all see if we can get down to 50 etc like that in stages again
3:18:00 ronald reagan we’re talking about here trust but verify means do not trust at all it means be polite
3:18:07 while you verify and in fact america did help dismantle upwards of 60 something thousand soviet
3:18:14 nuclear missiles in the after the end of the cold war and so it is possible to live in a world where at the
3:18:19 very least we have a situation where the major powers have a few nukes
3:18:25 and potentially can even come to an arrangement to get rid of the rest
3:18:28 we should also just say one more thing not to be ageist
3:18:31 but most of the major leaders
3:18:32 with nukes
3:18:34 and those with power in the world
3:18:36 are in their 70s and 80s
3:18:40 i don’t know if that contributes to it but they kind of are grounded in a different time
3:18:48 that may i have a hope for the fresher younger leaders to have a more optimistic view towards peace
3:18:50 and to be able to reach towards peace
3:18:54 and underlying so much of what we’re talking about here is all this enmity right
3:18:59 but if america could just work remember when china cut that pseudo sort of peace deal between
3:19:02 saudi and iran a couple years ago or last year was it
3:19:04 we could try to double up on that
3:19:07 we should we could try to come up with ways for
3:19:09 saudi and iran to exchange as much as possible
3:19:11 you know um
3:19:14 i know you don’t like all the going back too far in history
3:19:15 but it’s important it’s in my book that
3:19:16 in 1993
3:19:20 zbignan brzezinski who the revolution had happened on his watch
3:19:24 operation eagle claw the disaster of the rescue mission in 79
3:19:28 after the hostage crisis and everything all that egg was on zb’s face
3:19:32 but in 93 he said we should normalize relations
3:19:35 we should build an oil pipeline across iran
3:19:36 so they can make money we can make money
3:19:38 and we can start to normalize
3:19:42 and ronald reagan’s secretary of state alexander haig
3:19:45 who had been kissinger’s right-hand man agreed
3:19:47 they both were trying to push that
3:19:50 but the clinton administration went ahead with martin indyk
3:19:55 who had been yitzhak shamir’s man and inaugurated the dual containment policy
3:19:57 instead because the israelis were concerned
3:20:00 that america had just beaten up on iraq so bad in iraq war one
3:20:03 that now iraq wasn’t powerful enough to balance against iran
3:20:07 so america had to stay in saudi to balance against them both
3:20:09 and that was the origin of the dual containment policy
3:20:11 it was martin indyk who had been yitzhak shamir’s man
3:20:13 who pushed it on clinton
3:20:15 and this was not the israelis
3:20:17 it was the kuwaitis who lied
3:20:22 that there was a truck bomb attempt assassination against h.w. bush
3:20:24 which was a total hoax
3:20:26 it was debunked by seymour hirsch by the end of the year
3:20:28 it was just a whiskey smuggling ring
3:20:31 and it was the same guy whose daughter had claimed to have seen
3:20:34 the iraqi soldiers throw the babies out of the incubators
3:20:36 he was the guy who two years later
3:20:41 made up this hoax about saddam hussein trying to murder bush senior
3:20:44 but when he did that was when bill clinton finally gave in
3:20:47 and adopted the dual containment policy because he had been interested in
3:20:51 potentially reaching out to saddam and the ayatollah both at that time
3:20:53 but instead of having normalization with both
3:20:57 we had to have permanent cold war through the end of the century with both
3:21:00 and my argument is simply it just didn’t have to be that way
3:21:01 it’s the same thing with russia
3:21:05 look at you know how determined the democrats especially
3:21:07 are to have this conflict with russia
3:21:08 where to donald trump
3:21:09 nah not at all
3:21:10 we could get along with them
3:21:13 and so it’s perfectly within reason
3:21:15 if the big nebrzezinski says we can talk with iran
3:21:17 and get along with iran
3:21:19 and donald trump says we can get along with russia
3:21:21 then the same thing for north korea
3:21:23 the same thing for china
3:21:26 and then and then who do we have left to fight
3:21:30 hezbollah hezbollah is nothing without iran
3:21:32 we’ll just have scott and i fighting
3:21:33 that’s that’ll be the last remaining
3:21:34 that’s a fun kind of fight
3:21:35 that’ll be fun
3:21:36 okay mark peaceful
3:21:41 you’re the ceo of fdd the foundation for defense of democracies
3:21:47 it’s a dc-based organization that focuses on national security and foreign policy
3:21:53 what has been your approach to solving some of these problems of the world
3:21:57 so look i love the vision that scott painted
3:22:01 um and i i agree with some of the libertarian instincts that he has
3:22:06 but my view is that america is the indispensable power
3:22:10 um scott mentioned earlier in the conversation about the rules-based order
3:22:15 that is so important and the npt and all these rules-based agreements that are important
3:22:22 to maintain well the rules-based order has been maintained by the united states since world war ii
3:22:24 right there is no american prosperity
3:22:29 to the degree that we have there’s no recovery of europe there’s no recovery of asia after the
3:22:35 devastation of world war ii without american power and the rules-based order that america has
3:22:39 led and backstopped and i think america first
3:22:45 is about american power and deterrence i think if you want to avoid war
3:22:51 i think you cannot just believe in some fantasy where all the world’s leaders are going to get
3:22:55 together in some place and are just going to agree to disarm all their nuclear weapons
3:23:01 and we’ll disarm our entire military and we’ll have one submarine off our coast
3:23:05 and some all of that is going to lead to peace i mean i think what has led to peace
3:23:13 in the past has been the american ford deterrence of our military and a belief that our enemies
3:23:18 think we will credibly use it i think if they believe we’ll credibly use it
3:23:22 then it’s less likely they will challenge us and if they’re less likely to challenge us
3:23:25 and challenge our allies there’s less likely to be war
3:23:32 so for me deterrence leads to peace and any kind of unilateral disarmament
3:23:40 any kind of i think sort of fanciful notion that somehow their our enemies are going to
3:23:47 respect the non-aggression principle that is the core fundamental underpinnings of libertarianism
3:23:52 which i think in in a personal relationship i think is very important but remember these are
3:23:57 aggressors they don’t respect the non-aggression principle i think we can spend a lot of time we did
3:24:04 over how many hours now has it been talking about the fact that in scott’s view of the world it’s
3:24:08 america that provokes it’s america that provokes and then it’s not america provoking it’s israel
3:24:15 provoking and oh by the way america provokes because we’re being seduced or paid or browbeaten by those
3:24:21 those israelis and you know those jews in america i mean i think that whole notion that somehow we
3:24:29 we are we are the provocative force in global politics i think is is wrong i think the fact of
3:24:36 the matter is we make mistakes we are an imperfect nation we have made some serious sometimes catastrophic
3:24:44 mistakes but there is a bad world out there there are evil men who want to do us harm and we have to
3:24:50 prevent away prevent them from doing us harm and to do that we need an american military that is serious
3:24:55 and well supported we don’t need a military industrial complex that ultimately is going to
3:25:00 pull us into wars we need thoughtful leaders like president trump who will resist that and will say
3:25:07 at the end of the day i will use force when it is selective narrow overwhelming and deadly and that was
3:25:15 trump’s operation just a few days ago he he went after three key facilities that were being used to develop
3:25:22 the capability for nuclear weapons nuclear weapons are the greatest danger to humanity i totally agree with
3:25:28 scott like i think a world without nuclear weapons the kind of world that that reagan envisioned and
3:25:33 others have envisioned since is really the only way we can eliminate the most devastating weapons that
3:25:40 could end humankind but we have to make sure that those weapons don’t end up in the hands of regimes
3:25:46 that seek to do us harm and that have have done us harm over over many many decades so yeah i mean
3:25:53 deterrence peace through strength rules-based order the foundation for defense of democracies is not the
3:25:58 foundation for promotion of democracy we don’t believe in this important concept that we have to promote
3:26:03 democracy around the world i’ll speak for myself because we have many people at my think tank we’re 105 people
3:26:08 we have different views i don’t personally believe that it is the role of the united states to bring
3:26:13 democracy to the middle east or democracy around the world i think to the extent we’ve tried we failed i’m
3:26:18 not sure the middle east is ready for democracy now iran is interesting because it’s not an arab country
3:26:25 right it is a it is a different country altogether culturally it’s a very sophisticated country it has a long
3:26:32 history it actually has a history where it has had democracy in the past it is a country that i think
3:26:37 can have incredible potential under the right leadership and under the right circumstances i don’t know if
3:26:43 the right circumstances are a constitutional monarchy with reza palavi as the as the as the as the crown
3:26:48 prince or the shah i don’t know whether it’s a secular democracy or not let let let iranians make that
3:26:53 decision i’ve been pronouncing it wrong this whole time reza palavi you know the guy i met him yeah
3:26:59 yeah yeah olivi palavi what were you saying i thought it was palavi oh wow yeah no it’s okay
3:27:08 it’s okay you know that’s the only thing you’ve ever gotten wrong pronouncing so many things
3:27:13 correctly i think people will give you a pass can i ask you though like i mean all this militarization
3:27:23 has led to a state of permanent war we’ve been bombing iraq for 34 years we uh launched we put uh a war
3:27:28 against the taliban who didn’t attack us instead of al-qaeda who did fought for 20 years and the
3:27:33 taliban won anyway we overthrew a launched an aggressive war against saddam hussein put the
3:27:38 ayatollah’s best friends in power we launched an aggressive war against libya on this ridiculous hoax
3:27:44 that qaddafi was about to murder every last man woman and child in benghazi imagine charlotte north
3:27:50 carolina being wiped off the map barack obama lied in order to start that war and completely destroyed
3:27:55 libya it’s now three pieces in a state of semi-permanent civil war including and this wasn’t
3:28:00 just back then this is to this day the re-legalization and re-institutionalization of chattel
3:28:07 slavery of sub-saharan black africans in libya to this day as a result the our intervention this was
3:28:14 not a direct overt war but america israel saudi qatar and turkey all back to bin ladenites in syria
3:28:18 completely destroyed syria to the point where the caliphate grew up and then we had to launch
3:28:24 iraq war three to destroy the caliphate again and so i’m i’m not seeing the peace through strength i’m
3:28:29 seeing permanent militarism and permanent war through strength point well made he’s speaking to the the
3:28:36 double-edged sword of a strong military that what you mentioned that trump did seems like a very
3:28:43 difficult thing to do which is keep it hit hard and keep it short we don’t know how this ended yet
3:28:52 but even the beginning part is not trivial to do like just hitting one mission and vocalizing
3:29:01 except for one post uh no regime change like really pushing peace make a deal cease fire like that’s
3:29:07 i that’s an uncommon way to operate so i guess you said that we should resist the military industrial
3:29:13 complex that’s not easy to do that that that’s the double-edged sword of a strong military let me say
3:29:17 real quick and i promise i can i i’m gonna say one thing and then i’ll stop you made a point then i just
3:29:23 i just want to add it’s a really important point okay is grassroots effort there is no houthi lobby in
3:29:30 america okay it was grassroots efforts by libertarians quakers and leftists to get war powers
3:29:35 resolutions introduced in trump’s first term to stop the war in yemen which was launched not for
3:29:42 israel for saudi arabia and uae by barack obama in 2015 that’s not a first afghan war wasn’t about
3:29:51 israel either okay but this yemen war was i thought 9-11 was about israel well it was in great part but
3:29:56 the af the decision to sack kabul and do a regime change and all that had nothing to do with the
3:30:01 lakut whatsoever other than well we got to keep the war going long enough to go to baghdad okay so
3:30:05 it was his real fault i was in the middle of saying about the war in yemen that we got the war powers
3:30:13 resolution through twice and trump vetoed it twice and his man pete navarro explained to the new york times
3:30:20 that this was just welfare for american industry a lot of industrialists were angry about the tariffs
3:30:26 disrupting trade with china and somehow they substituted raytheon for all american industry
3:30:32 somehow and said industry will be happy if we funnel a lot of money to raytheon that’s pete navarro
3:30:37 talking to the new york times about why they continued the war in yemen throughout trump’s entire first term
3:30:41 he had no interest in it at all the whole thing was this it was obama’s fault the whole thing was
3:30:45 essentially on autopilot and what was he doing he’s flying as al-qaeda’s air force
3:30:51 against the houthis who originally if you go back to january of 2015 america was passing intelligence
3:30:55 to the houthis to use to kill al-qaeda you know aqap the guys that tried to blow up the plane over
3:31:00 detroit with the underpants bomb on christmas day 2009 that did all those horrific massacres in europe
3:31:06 real ass bin ladnite terrorists the houthis were our allies against them before barack obama stabbed
3:31:10 them in the back and why did trump keep that going when he inherited that horrific war
3:31:16 from barack obama why did he do it according to his trade guy so that they could keep funneling
3:31:22 american taxed and inflated dollars into the pocketbooks of stockholders of raytheon incorporated
3:31:27 right military industrial complex the point was made yeah maybe i could respond to that because i mean
3:31:32 again it’s always america’s fault according to scott take a jab at you no no but it’s dowdy and uae
3:31:37 asked barack obama for permission to start that war and for american help in prosecuting it and he said
3:31:42 yes and help i’m going to segue into an answer because i i think it deserves an answer a military
3:31:47 industrial complex is a serious concern um because i think you’re right it there you know the bigger it
3:31:52 gets um and the more weapons you have you think the more the greater the temptation to use it right i
3:31:57 think that’s sort of the the argument and then there’s also self-enrichment and how much money can
3:32:03 be made and in all of that i think is of serious concern to people look i think trump is somebody who
3:32:11 it’s hard pressed to say that donald trump um is a great advocate of the military industrial complex
3:32:17 or that he is he is in their pocket the same way that he’s in the pocket of the israelis and in the
3:32:21 pocket of the saudis and in the pocket of everybody i mean i think the one thing with trump is that trump
3:32:28 has he has learned the lessons of american engagement over the past few decades and i think scott’s done a good
3:32:33 job of kind of laying out the mistakes that have been made even though you know we can discuss about
3:32:38 causal connections and who’s responsible and you know i i lean on and we i want to well scott can i
3:32:44 finish because you know your your causal connection is always it’s america aggressing israel aggressing
3:32:49 and all these poor people responding to us um but nonetheless i think trump has he’s learned the
3:32:55 lessons but he hasn’t over learned the lessons he he’s not paralyzed by iraq or afghanistan or the
3:33:00 mistakes made by his predecessors he understands that at the end of the day we need serious american
3:33:06 power we need lethal power we need four deterrents and he’s been very careful and very selective about
3:33:11 how he uses american power i mean we’ve talked about it throughout this whole conversation trump used
3:33:17 american power to kill qasem soleimani the one of the world’s most dangerous terrorists he killed
3:33:23 baghdadi the head of isis one of the world’s most dangerous terrorists he he refrained from going after
3:33:28 after the iranian takedown of our drone he refrained from when the iranians
3:33:34 fired on saudi aramco and took off 20 of our oil right he’s been very very selective about the use of
3:33:41 american power he did go after the houthis who are iran backed and we’re using iranian missiles to go
3:33:46 after our ship that’s not true those are north korean missiles completely debunked by jane’s defense
3:33:51 weekly nice try yeah nice try um anyway everybody knows that the iranians have been financing the houthis
3:33:56 hezbollah has been training the houthis and iran has given capabilities to the houthis to develop
3:34:03 their own indigenous missile capability the fact of the matter is he he did in a way go after the houthis
3:34:10 much more intensively than biden did in order to prevent them from continuing to shut down
3:34:17 red sea shipping on which both america and our allies depend as a trade route he actually did it quite
3:34:22 successfully because after a few days of pretty intensive bombing the houthis got the message
3:34:26 and they cut a deal with donald trump they’re not going to interfere with our shift anymore he got a
3:34:30 deal with them they kept bombing israel which is what got him involved in the first place he completely
3:34:34 backed out sounds to me like they won and he backed down well it sounds it sounds like he in terms of
3:34:38 promoting american international security interests it sounds like he did he did a pretty good job of
3:34:43 sending a message to the houthis and the iranians don’t mess with the united states and that gets us to the
3:34:54 reality he took a decision one day on one day to send our b2s and our subs in order to do severe
3:34:59 damage to three nuclear facilities it was a one-day campaign it was selective it was narrow it was
3:35:05 overwhelming and i think it sends a message to khamenei i think it sends a message to regimes around
3:35:10 the world anti-american regimes around the world that donald trump has not over learned the lessons of
3:35:18 the past 20 years right but that in fact he is not going to dismantle the u.s military and dismantle
3:35:24 our nuclear program and fly around to all these cities and call peace conferences and hope that these
3:35:29 dictators will just sit down with america and say you know what all is forgiven the united states of
3:35:36 america it’s all your fault you did this all we we admit our responsibility and then we have we have
3:35:45 peace and paradise and earth i think trump is much more um pragmatic and in some respects cynical when
3:35:50 he looks at the world and he realizes the world is a dangerous place i have to be very careful about
3:35:55 how i use american military forces i am not going to send hundreds of thousands of people around the
3:36:01 world by the way i mean it all talk about israel i mean the israelis are one of the best allies we could
3:36:07 possibly have they fight and they die in their own defense they fought multiple wars against american
3:36:11 enemies they haven’t asked for american troops on the ground there are no boots on the ground
3:36:17 in israel defending israel the best we’ve given them is we’ve given them a fad system to help them shoot
3:36:22 down ballistic missiles that have aimed at aimed at them and our american pilots have been in the air
3:36:29 recently with our israeli friends shooting down ballistic missiles but the israelis have had an a warrior
3:36:33 ethos we will fight and we will die in our own defense i would just say if you’re going to actually
3:36:39 build out a model where you’re going to minimize the risk to american troops let’s find more allies
3:36:46 like that right i worry about i’m like scott i really worry about china taiwan i really really worry about
3:36:51 that because the taiwanese are not capable of defending themselves without u.s assistance and the
3:36:56 and we may have to send american men and women to go defend taiwan and we can have a whole debate about
3:37:00 the wisdom of that but again it would be very very helpful to have more israels in the world
3:37:06 more countries that are capable of fighting against common enemies and against common threats without
3:37:12 having to always put american boots on the ground in order to do that so you made a case for if it’s okay
3:37:19 if you made a case for strength here just practically speaking why do you think trump has talked about
3:37:26 peace a lot why do you think he hasn’t been able to uh uh get to a ceasefire with ukraine and russia for
3:37:31 example if we just move away from iran yeah without getting into the history of the whole thing like
3:37:36 why he’s been talking peace peace peace peace peace he’s been pushing it and pushing it what can we learn
3:37:43 about that so far failure that’s also instructive for iran look i’m not a russia expert i’m not a ukraine
3:37:48 expert i’m sitting in front of two uh people who know a lot more about that conflict than i do i i you
3:37:56 are we should say banned by putin i am i have been sanctioned by russia and by iran um i sanctioned yes
3:38:01 yes banned sanctioned uh threat congratulations thank you thank you well it’s it causes some
3:38:10 difficulties but anyway um i think the answer to that is that for putin he needs to understand that
3:38:17 like khamenei he has two options here right option one which president trump has signaled over and over
3:38:23 and over again is come sit down and negotiate a ceasefire with the ukrainians i don’t want to get into
3:38:27 the details and the back and forth about who’s responsible for the fact there’s no ceasefire
3:38:31 putin or zelensky i mean that’s a whole other debate and i’m sure you guys have a lot of opinions on that
3:38:39 um but path one is sit down and let’s negotiate a ceasefire path two is the united states will use
3:38:46 american power in order to build our leverage so that vladimir putin understands that he has to
3:38:52 do a ceasefire now i’m not suggesting u.s troops absolutely not right what i am suggesting is
3:38:57 there’s a package right now of sanctions that have 88 co-sponsors in the senate across party lines
3:39:03 and i think trump is using that and will use that as a sort of sword of damocles hanging over
3:39:09 putin and the russian economy to say look vladimir we either do a ceasefire or i’m going to have no
3:39:14 choice but to have to start imposing much more punishing sanctions on you and on the russian economy
3:39:19 so i think there’s an economic option i think there’s a military option and i think the biggest
3:39:25 mistake biden made in this whole war and there’s many mistakes uh in terms of signaling not having u.s
3:39:31 credibility you know afghan debacle which signaled to putin that he could invade without any kind of
3:39:38 american response is he kind of went in and he tied ukraine’s uh hands behind their back i mean he
3:39:42 actually tied one hand behind their back while they were fighting with the other hand and he refused to
3:39:48 give him the kinds of systems that early on in the war would have allowed the ukrainian military
3:39:52 to be able to hit russian forces that were mobilizing on the russian ukrainian border
3:39:56 and i think if he had done that i think this war would have ended sooner there’d be far
3:40:04 less casualties and i think putin would then understand maybe i need to strike a deal i’m not
3:40:09 a russia expert or ukraine expert i don’t know what the deal looks like you keep the donbast you keep
3:40:15 crimea you keep you know larger chunks of eastern ukraine that’s for smarter people than me on this
3:40:20 issue to decide what the deal looks like but there’s no doubt today putin thinks that he can just
3:40:25 keep fighting keep killing ukrainians keep driving forward eventually he’s going to wear down the
3:40:29 ukrainians through a sheer war of attrition he’ll throw hundreds of thousands of russians at this he
3:40:33 doesn’t care how many russians are going to die that’s the way the russians and the soviets have
3:40:38 fought wars for many many years just endless number of russian bodies being thrown into the meat grinder
3:40:43 and he thinks he can continue without any consequences i worry that as a result of the
3:40:51 fact that we are not showing putin and we’ve got leverage it’s made warm more likely it’s made a war
3:40:56 more brutal and it’s going to make a war more protracted but increasing military aid to ukraine
3:41:01 in the case that you described also has to be coupled with extreme pressure to make peace
3:41:07 correct extreme pressure to make peace which trump hopefully is appears to be doing now in iran
3:41:12 i think trump is early i mean it’s interesting you said that because he’s early indicators
3:41:17 again who knows where the ceasefire goes but i think it was important he he slapped
3:41:25 khamenei but he also said to bb enough enough and it’s like okay now we’re going back to oman
3:41:30 there’s going to be a temporary ceasefire now let’s negotiate and i think that’s important and i think it
3:41:35 shows that donald trump is leading not following it shows that donald trump is his own man
3:41:43 not on the payroll of the russians or the iranians or the israelis or all these other crazy accusations
3:41:48 that have been made about this guy for many many years um and he’s going to give you know as they
3:41:52 say peace a chance and he’s going to give give a ceasefire a chance he’s going to give negotiations
3:41:56 a chance but i’ll think he’s sending the message to the iranians and he needs to send it to putin
3:42:02 is if you don’t take me up on my offer all right i’ve already demonstrated that i am serious
3:42:07 and i will use american power carefully and selectively in the way that i’ve done in the
3:42:14 past at the risk of doing the thing i shouldn’t do but just to test the ideas of libertarianism
3:42:21 and the things we’ve been talking about can we for a brief time unrelated to everything we’ve been
3:42:28 talking about talk about world war ii what was the right thing to do in 1938 1939 like what would you
3:42:37 do okay to be clear world war ii has nothing to do with current events in fact many of the horrible
3:42:43 policies of the united states in my opinion have to have to do with projecting world war ii onto every
3:42:49 single conflict in the world okay oh great but over learning over learning but it is an interesting
3:42:55 extreme case just to clarify i’m just like philosophically talking about yeah at which
3:43:03 point do you hit do you do military intervention and that’s a nice case maybe you have a better
3:43:07 case study but that’s such an extreme one yeah that it’s interesting we’re talking about germany or
3:43:14 japan germany said yeah so so japan attacked us and germany declared war on us tough for them and
3:43:18 that’s what happens when you declare war on the united states you get hit but that was an idiotic
3:43:22 on the part of hitler to declare war in the united states you know i never understood why he ever did
3:43:25 that they always said it was just because he was crazy but what it was is he was trying to get the
3:43:30 japanese to invade the soviet union from the east and in order to divide stalin’s forces which failed
3:43:35 and it didn’t work and it was a huge blunder from his point of view i guess philosophically
3:43:39 from an interventionism perspective you’re saying united states should have stayed out
3:43:46 from that war as long as possible until they’re attacked yes i mean and look at how powerful
3:43:50 they ended up being and the amount of damage that they were able to inflict on the soviets
3:43:56 better than than us what do you think look is this a useful discussion it’s interesting i mean i think
3:44:02 it’s interesting philosophically you know libertarianism um or or isolationism in practice i mean i think the
3:44:07 30s are more interesting to me than what happened between 39 and 45 i think the debate in america
3:44:14 was very interesting in the 30s um where there was really a strong uh isolationist movement um you
3:44:21 know with charles lindbergh and and henry ford and father coughlin and many joe kennedy yeah and joe
3:44:26 kennedy i mean they define themselves as sort of america firsters um but it was very much an isolationist
3:44:30 strain and i think you know we can talk about that history and coughlin was a new dealer not a right
3:44:36 winger anyway um very much an isolationist talking about america having to stay out these entangling
3:44:41 alliances this is not our war emotionally understandable right because you can you can also overlearn the
3:44:46 lessons of world war one right and i think they overlearned the lessons of world war one i mean which
3:44:51 was a brutal war and a devastating war mostly for europe but obviously for the united states we we lost
3:44:58 thousands of american men and women so the 30s was this big debate between the um those who saw the
3:45:04 gathering storm of what was happening uh with nazi germany and those who wanted to keep america out
3:45:11 and i think in some respects it’s like today with the contemporary reality with khamenei is that because
3:45:18 these isolationist voices were so prominent and so vocal um and in some cases quite persuasive
3:45:25 to american leaders hitler calculated that the united states would not enter the war and so he could
3:45:32 do what scott says he could focus on the eastern front um he could gather his forces and then he
3:45:36 could do a kill shot on the western democracies in western europe and the united states would not
3:45:41 intervene i mean you’re right that the big mistake he makes is declaring war in the united states after
3:45:48 pearl harbor but he believes all through the 30s and before pearl harbor that the isolationist voices
3:45:55 are keeping fdr from entering the war even while churchill and the brits and the french and others
3:46:01 are imploring the americans uh not only to just just to provide provide them with material support
3:46:07 with weapons so that they could hold hold on to the island and and defend themselves and i think hitler
3:46:12 hitler miscalculates in the same way i think khamenei miscalculates khamenei heard the debate
3:46:17 over the past number of years he believed that this sort of isolationist wing
3:46:23 of the republican party right represented i think in you know by tucker carlson and others who have been
3:46:29 very anti-intervention with respect to iran i think he believed that that was the dominant voice within
3:46:35 trump’s maga coalition and that as a result the united states would not use military force so in the same
3:46:43 way that hitler miscalculated the influence of the isolationists on fdr khamenei misjudged the
3:46:49 influence of the isolationists on trump and both ended up miscalculating to uh to their great regret
3:46:55 so to me that’s the sort of parallel between kind of world war ii in the 30s and the prelude to world
3:47:00 war ii and what we’re seeing in the in the current reality over the past few weeks to make clear you
3:47:05 mentioned there’s a parallel but mostly there’s no parallel it’s a fundamentally different absolutely
3:47:09 there will never be a war like that and i have a real problem too because they always say everybody’s
3:47:14 hitler all enemies are hitler and to compromise with them at all is to appease hitler and you can
3:47:20 never do that i agree and they do that to manuel noriega to david koresh to saddam hussein to whoever
3:47:26 they feel like demonizing and saying it was unique too crazy to negotiate with when let’s get real
3:47:33 and i think we’re agreed about this probably that right in 2002 w bush could have just sent colin
3:47:38 powell the four-star general former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff secretary state to read the
3:47:43 riot act to saddam hussein and tell him look man you help keep al-qaeda down and we’ll let you live
3:47:49 and everything would have been fine and and in fact just like saddam hussein and there’s a great article
3:47:56 i don’t agree hang on hang on there’s there’s an article by james rising in the new york times and
3:48:01 there’s another one by seymour hirsch as well about how saddam hussein offered to give in on everything
3:48:05 he said you want to search for weapons of mass destruction you can send your army and fbi everywhere
3:48:09 you want you want us to switch sides in the israel-palestine conflict we’ll stop backing
3:48:13 hamas you want us to hold elections we’ll hold this we’ll hold elections just give us a couple years
3:48:17 if this is about the oil we’ll sign over mineral rights this is james rise in new york times
3:48:22 they sent an emissary to meet with richard pearl in london that was who was the chair of the defense
3:48:27 policy board and was a major ringleader of getting us into iraq war ii and then they i don’t know why
3:48:31 this is a real mistake you want to talk about saddam’s mistakes why does he always send his guys to meet
3:48:37 with richard pearl because the there was a saudi businessman pardon me a lebanese businessman i think
3:48:43 that they tried to get to intervene as well who again offered virtually total capitulation and pearl
3:48:50 told him tell saddam we’ll see you in baghdad after he was attempting to essentially unconditionally
3:48:54 surrender the same thing happened with iran in 2003 right after america invaded they issue what was
3:49:00 called the golden offer which the bush administration buried and they castigated the swiss ambassador who
3:49:05 had delivered it but in the golden offer and you can find the pdf file of it online they talk about
3:49:10 we’re happy to negotiate with you our entire nuclear program which didn’t even really exist yet
3:49:17 but nuclearization we’re to willing to negotiate with you about afghanistan and iraq because again
3:49:21 they hated saddam hussein and wanted rid of him too so they’re perfectly happy to work with us on
3:49:26 afghanistan and iraq and they had captured a bunch of bin ladenites and they were willing to trade them
3:49:33 for the mek and that included one of bin laden’s sons and another guy named atef both of whom the
3:49:38 iranians held under house arrest for years and it was only in the i think late and they’re giving
3:49:45 refuge to al-qaeda and the cia said this is a key facilitation pipeline between iran and al-qaeda
3:49:51 they were willing to negotiate a trade between these dangerous bin ladenites and the mek and america
3:49:58 refused to negotiate that and it was years later when the bin ladenites abducted some iranian diplomats
3:50:04 in pakistan that they then traded them away to get their diplomats back and atef i think bin laden’s
3:50:10 son ended up being killed not long after that hamsa but and and atef too but both of those dangerous terrorists
3:50:17 were released and were involved in terrorism between then them then and the time that they were later killed
3:50:21 i think within a couple of years of that so the hawks always like to say oh yeah iran gives such
3:50:26 aid and comfort to al-qaeda and all that there’s a great document at the counterterrorism center at
3:50:31 west point where they debunk all of that yeah there’s a 9-11 report by the 9-11 commission
3:50:37 there’s a 9-11 commission report people can google it which talks about the cooperation between iran
3:50:44 and al-qaeda only in bosnia when they were doing a favor for bill clinton beyond that and cia released
3:50:51 thousands of pages of classified material that they declassified showing the relationship between iran and al-qaeda
3:50:58 the u.s treasury department under obama and under trump actually designated a number of iranian
3:51:04 individuals for facilitating al-qaeda so anyway i mean these these are important facts but i actually
3:51:09 mentioned baghdadian soleimani in the same breath a minute ago when they’re deadly enemies and it was
3:51:13 soleimani’s shiite forces in iraq war three that helped destroy the caliphate is my friend
3:51:18 with america flying air power for the greatest era that we’ve made in the middle east there’s this notion
3:51:23 not the greatest but one of the greatest is this sort of conceptual era that somehow sunnis and
3:51:29 shiais don’t work together and iran doesn’t work with al-qaeda i’m not saying you say that but but many
3:51:33 people think that and of course they do work they hate each other but of course they work together
3:51:36 because they hate us more but can i just say something lex because i actually think just stepping
3:51:41 back from like all of this detail the more we start to zoom out now the better yeah i’d like to zoom
3:51:47 out a little bit i look i think the lessons for me um over 22 years i’m working on these issues is
3:51:53 one must learn about the mistakes that we’ve made in iraq and in afghanistan and libya okay one must
3:51:58 learn about the mistakes that we made in vietnam mistakes that we made in world war ii so we can make
3:52:04 them all over again and run this time can i finish or go ahead are you good yeah i’m ready all right
3:52:12 so um i think that what what president trump is trying to do is learn but not overlearn right i think he
3:52:18 understands the mistakes that have been made i think he’s trying to rectify those mistakes and he also
3:52:25 understands that american power is important it is been a it is a force for good in the world even though
3:52:31 we have made major mistakes i think there’s a great danger amongst certain people to believe that
3:52:38 no power should ever be exercised that all american power is a bad thing and a destructive thing and
3:52:43 sometimes to confuse major tactical decisions right that have been made whether it’s been made by
3:52:51 the brits in world war ii or the americans or us or whoever it is in whatever war with the fact that
3:52:55 there is a strategic reality that we always have to be conscious about and that we have enemies
3:53:01 right this is not the garden of eden yet i hope the libertarians create one i want to go live there
3:53:06 when they do and scott and i will be neighbors believe it or not living living in that garden of eden
3:53:14 together but there are major threats in this world and we need to find the right balance between the
3:53:18 overuse of military power and the underuse of military power if we want to avoid wars we have to
3:53:24 serious deterrence because our enemies need to understand we will use selective and narrowly
3:53:31 focused overwhelming military power when we are facing threats like an iranian nuclear weapon that
3:53:36 is a serious threat it’s a serious threat to us it’s a serious threat to the region it’s a serious threat
3:53:41 with respect to proliferation around the world and i think with that respect i think president trump’s
3:53:51 decision to drop bombs on three key nuclear facilities was a selective targeted military action that i hope
3:53:57 will drive the iranians back to the negotiating table where they can negotiate finally the dismantlement of
3:54:02 their nuclear weapons program right i think there’s a danger weapons again again we’ve had a four-hour
3:54:05 debate on this so i’m sure if you want to rewind you can listen to all our arguments once again
3:54:13 um but the fact of the matter is is that the our unwillingness to use power if we’re never going to
3:54:19 use power all that’s going to do is send a signal to our enemies that they can do whatever they want
3:54:24 they can violate whatever agreements they want they can they can use aggression against anyone they
3:54:29 want and i think that makes that puts american lives in danger and we’ve seen the results of that
3:54:34 where we we delayed and delayed and delayed and we didn’t move and we didn’t move too early and we
3:54:40 didn’t preempt and and the threat grew and we ignored the gathering storm and so i think the lessons of
3:54:47 you know 100 years of american military involvement is if you have an opportunity early on as the storm is
3:54:54 gathering to use all instruments of american power with the military one being the last one you use
3:55:02 then deter when you can and strike when you must in order to prevent the kinds of escalation and wars
3:55:07 that everybody at this table and i’m sure everybody listening in your audience is seeking to avoid
3:55:14 on that topic question for both of you scott if human civilization destroys itself in the next 75 years
3:55:18 it probably most likely will be a world war three type of scenario maybe a nuclear war
3:55:24 how do we avoid that we’ve been talking about iran but there’ll be new conflicts there’s ukraine
3:55:34 china cashmere cashmere yeah um north korea no yeah don’t forget north korea yeah i mean there was a
3:55:39 time when north korea was the biggest threat to human civilization according to we could have had a deal
3:55:45 except john bolton ruined it so that’s the bigger question not so much in the specifics oh i mean the
3:55:51 second time he ruined the clinton deal of 94 then he ruined the trump deal of 2018 or maybe maybe the
3:55:55 korean dictator north korean dictator ruined it but again one doesn’t want to blame our enemies for
3:55:59 their mistakes well you know that at the second meeting trump sent john bolton to outer mongolia
3:56:05 so that he couldn’t sit at the table and ruin the deal but but what happened then the democrats had his
3:56:10 lawyer testify against him while he was at the meeting and they had this huge propaganda campaign
3:56:15 that kim jong-un is going to walk all over trump and take such advantage of him and they made it
3:56:19 virtually impossible for him to walk away claiming a victory god do you ever blame the enemy ever
3:56:26 do you ever blame the enemy north korea is not my enemy north korea is not your enemy no really they
3:56:31 they they they build nuclear weapons icbms that targeted america george bush and john bolton’s fault
3:56:38 whatever fault it is the fact of the matter is do you ever ever blame an american adversary or is it
3:56:44 always our fault in fact what happened is it always our fault see all you can do is characterize but you
3:56:50 want to talk about the details the details are that stephen began who worked for for donald trump
3:56:56 gave a speech and said you know what we can put normalization first and denuclearization later i know
3:57:02 and then they brought donald donald trump brought john bolton to the meeting and he prevented that
3:57:09 from being the uh from being the uh the message of the meeting so it’s always ruin the deal always
3:57:13 john bolton’s fault yes that’s right it’s all john bolton’s fault because how reasonable does it sound to
3:57:19 you lex give up all your nuclear weapons first then we’ll talk about every other issue does that sound
3:57:23 like a poison pill or that sounds like a reasonable negotiation give me a break sounds like a beginning of
3:57:28 negotiation but yeah well they got nowhere well because trump brought john bolton with him and
3:57:32 helped to ruin it and maybe they went nowhere because the north korean dictator at the end of the
3:57:40 day is a dictator who wants to threaten the united states with icbms and nuclear listen you’re you’re
3:57:45 criticizing the the sequential decisions made in negotiation i am asking you a serious question
3:57:52 hours of talking okay which i must say i’ve really enjoyed i’ve learned a lot i enjoyed it i think
3:57:56 there’s been areas of agreement obviously real disagreement but i here’s the question you’re
3:58:02 like really i mean do you ever ever hold our adversaries responsible or do you just don’t think
3:58:09 we have any adversaries this is ridiculous the the topic has been tell me from from your point of view
3:58:15 it’s all the adversaries and all america and israel trying to do is survive and fix the situation the
3:58:20 best they can i’ve acknowledged america mistakes by bringing up all the things that america and israel
3:58:24 have done to make matters worse i didn’t ever say that the ayatollah is some great guy or that kim
3:58:31 but do you think they’re a threat to america are they a threat to america no of course not as
3:58:38 zibigna brzezinski said in 1993 we could have perfectly normalized relations then you talk about
3:58:43 iranian support for al-qaeda iran supported al-qaeda in bosnia that’s the bottom line in 1995 as a favor to
3:58:49 bill clinton because they were trying to suck up to the united states is why they supported your position
3:58:55 yes my position is whatever you say it is not what i say no no i’m just trying to summarize you know
3:58:59 who’s the last person who told me i need to be aware about over learning the lessons of iraq it was
3:59:07 charlie savage from the new york times when on the subject was his absolute ridiculous hoax that russia
3:59:13 was paying the taliban to murder american soldiers in afghanistan in 2020 which ruined trump’s potential
3:59:17 which he was floating trow balloons about withdrawing in the summer of 2020 which would
3:59:23 have absolutely scott you said joe biden erica you said it and charlie savage who published these
3:59:29 ridiculous lies scott that were later refuted by the general in charge of the afghan war the head of
3:59:32 centcom the chairman of the joint chief staff and the director of central intelligence as much detail as
3:59:38 possible he told me you know what your problem is horton is you have over learned the lessons of iraq war
3:59:45 two but it turned out those lessons were perfectly apt for charlie savage’s hoax it wasn’t true what
3:59:49 charlie savage said you know what he resorted to he said well it’s true that there was a rumor i was
3:59:54 reporting on scott you made it very clear america has no adversaries that’s called learning the lessons
3:59:59 of iraq not over learning that all right so i guess the the answer to the question i asked uh about
4:00:05 avoiding world war three three is the two of you becoming friends that’s my my goal if we can try to find
4:00:10 the light at the end of the tunnel one one last question what gives you hope to the degree of hope
4:00:18 about the future what gives you hope about this great country of ours and humanity too yeah i mean look
4:00:25 there are a million wonderful things about this country the land the people our culture and our
4:00:32 resources and everything and the kind of society that we could build in a not with a control system
4:00:38 but with just a pure free market capitalist system in this country where people are allowed to own
4:00:43 their property improve its value and exchange it on the market and build this country up we would be
4:00:51 living in comparatively a paradise compared to what we have now and if you look at the opportunity costs
4:00:58 just since the end of the cold war on on all that has been wasted on militarism in the middle east
4:01:05 especially but also in eastern europe and in east asia all of that wealth put here could have gone
4:01:12 much more to something like perfecting our society it’s always an unfinished project so that then we
4:01:17 really have something to point to the rest of the world and say this is how you’re supposed to do it
4:01:27 not like that i think it’s crucial that for all of the problems that somalia syria libya iraq afghanistan
4:01:35 have the worst thing about those countries is america’s wars there it’s what we have done to them
4:01:41 as the worst thing about those places so we’re not much of a position to criticize you know whatever
4:01:46 horrible and political uh practices uh you know cultural and and things about their societies that
4:01:52 we would like to criticize when the worst chaos that’s happened to them has been inflicted by our
4:01:59 country against them virtually all in in wars of choice that were unnecessary from the get-go what gives you
4:02:05 hope what gives me hope i think first of all um i have a lot of um hope and confidence in the wisdom
4:02:11 of the american people um i think americans understand the end of the day that they need
4:02:17 leaders who are about making america great again i think they elected donald trump who is flawed in
4:02:22 many many ways but i think trump is wrestling with some of the questions that we have been wrestling with
4:02:28 for the past five hours um i think that um i think most americans know that we have adversaries
4:02:35 uh and you know it’s just overwhelming numbers of americans understand that they may disagree on
4:02:39 exactly who is an adversary and how you rank them but they know we have adversaries i think the third
4:02:45 thing is americans greatly admire the men and women in uniform i mean i think the institution with the
4:02:51 greatest popularity in america still remains the u.s military while many of other institutions are
4:02:56 are failing the american people and are reflected in the in the polling i think we’ve got to be very
4:03:03 judicious about how we use this incredibly powerful military um because most importantly it comes down to
4:03:06 it’s not about weapons and technology it’s about the people it’s about the men and women who it’s
4:03:12 sacrificed their lives um to serve our country at the end of the day if we understand we have
4:03:17 adversaries we’re careful about we how we use our military we understand the importance of forward
4:03:23 deterrence in order to actually confront threats before they become so severe that we ended up plunging
4:03:29 ourselves in a war i agree totally with scott in terms of how we use our money and how judiciously we
4:03:34 must we have to guard it i agree with how we’ve we’ve run up these massive debts and we have to be
4:03:39 actually if we’re serious and conservatives are really serious they need to stop they need to tackle
4:03:46 these massive budgets deficits um and and you know it would be really easy if it was just all about the
4:03:49 military and we could just kind of get rid of the pentagon and all of a sudden we’d be running balanced
4:03:55 budgets it’s not the case we have much deeper structural economics economic problems in this country
4:04:02 everybody knows that and so we got huge challenges as a country um but i really believe uh as i believe
4:04:08 since i was a little kid that america is the greatest force for good in the world and that we do we make
4:04:14 mistakes sometimes tragic mistakes we make huge miscalculations and i think we will be much more
4:04:21 clear in how to rectify those mistakes if we stop obsessing with these boogeymen that are out there
4:04:28 the israelis the jews the iranians well and we start focusing on our adversaries which are not
4:04:34 the iranians because the 80 80 of iranians despise this regime and and you know lex i feel really bad
4:04:37 that we in five hours we actually haven’t even talked about that in any detail many of my friends
4:04:42 are iranian they’re beautiful people and it’s one of the great cultures on earth yeah and you know the
4:04:46 only place they don’t succeed in the world is inside the islamic republic when they come to america
4:04:52 and canada and europe they’re incredibly successful people and 80 of iranians despise this regime and
4:04:59 they long for a free and prosperous iran and so it’s a big question that they’re ever going to get
4:05:04 there and who knows the right way to get them there but at the end of the day i am convinced that the
4:05:09 vast majority of iranians are our friends but there is a regime that has been trying to build nuclear
4:05:15 weapons has been engaged in terrorism for decades has killed and maimed thousands of americans and
4:05:21 and our allies and it’s a regime that has to be stopped and i think donald trump in the past couple
4:05:27 of weeks i would argue in the past number of months has tried to try to play a strategy try to figure
4:05:33 out a way to offer the iranians negotiations and a peaceful solution to this but use overwhelming
4:05:39 military power recently against iran’s nuclear sites in a very targeted way in order to send a
4:05:44 message to the islamic republic of iran that they cannot continue to build nuclear weapons and threaten
4:05:52 america and so i hope that things will work out well on this i i’ve always said curb your enthusiasm
4:06:00 because we have still a lot of of pieces that still need to fall into place and this is going to be
4:06:05 a windy road as we try to figure this out i’m hoping for the best preparing for the worst and
4:06:10 want to thank you very much for having me on the show scott it was a real pleasure to meet you i
4:06:15 enjoyed the debate very lively i admire your dedication to the issue and your and your intention to detail
4:06:21 and i think all of that speaks well of of you and your commitment and and your passion for this so i am
4:06:29 thank you deeply grateful that you guys will come here uh this is really mind-blowing uh also that you
4:06:35 have it’s silly maybe to say but the courage to sit down and talk through this through the tension
4:06:40 i’ve learned a lot i think a lot of people are going to learn a lot um a fan of both of your work
4:06:47 and um it means a lot that you come here today and talk to a silly kid like me so scott thank you so
4:06:51 much brother thank you thank you mark thanks lex appreciate it bam thanks scott
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4:07:10 and now let me leave you with some sobering words on the cost of war from dwight d eisenhower
4:07:18 for some context eisenhower was the 34th president of the united states but before that during world war ii
4:07:23 he was the supreme commander of the allied expeditionary force orchestrating some of the
4:07:30 most significant military operations of the war with leadership marked by strategic and tactical brilliance
4:07:39 it is in this context that the following words carry even more power and wisdom spoken in 1953
4:07:47 every gun that is made every warship launched every rocket fired signifies in the final sense
4:07:54 a theft from those who hunger and are not fed those who are cold and are not clothed
4:08:03 this world in arms is not spending money alone it is spending the sweat of its laborers the genius of
4:08:11 a scientist the hopes of its children the cost of one modern heavy bomber is this a modern brick school
4:08:18 in more than 30 cities it is two electric power plants each serving a town of 60 000 population
4:08:26 it is two fully equipped hospitals it is some 50 miles of concrete highway we pay for a single fighter
4:08:35 plane with a half million bushels of wheat we pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have
4:08:41 housed more than 8 000 people this is not a way of life at all in any true sense
4:08:47 under the cloud of threatening war that is humanity hanging from a cross of iron
4:08:55 and now allow me to add some additional brief excerpts in 1946 eisenhower said
4:09:04 i hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can only as one who has seen its brutality its futility
4:09:13 it’s stupidity in 1950 eisenhower said possibly my hatred of war blinds me so that i cannot comprehend
4:09:21 the arguments they adduce but in my opinion there’s no such thing as a preventative war although the
4:09:28 suggestion is repeatedly made none has yet explained how war prevents war worse than this no one has been
4:09:37 been able to explain away the fact that war creates the conditions that beget war and finally an excerpt
4:09:51 a vital element in the peace is our military establishment our arms must be mighty ready for
4:09:56 instant action so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction american makers of
4:09:56 plowshares could with time and as required make swords as well but now we can no longer risk emergency
4:10:16 improvisation of national defense we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions this conjunction of an
4:10:23 an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in american experience
4:10:25 yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications
4:10:34 in the councils of government we must guard against an acquisition of unwarranted influence whether sought
4:10:44 or unsought by the military industrial complex the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists
4:10:59 and will persist thank you for listening and hope to see you next time