Summary & Insights
A sudden ceasefire in the Strait of Hormuz sparks a massive market rally, but the real story is why stock multiples had compressed so drastically in the first place, revealing the fragile link between geopolitical oil shocks and the Federal Reserve’s next move. The conversation between host Ed Elson and guests Robert Armstrong of the Financial Times and John Mowry of NFJ Investment Group dissects how a potential drop in oil prices could ease inflation fears and allow the Fed to cut rates, which in turn would revalue stocks. However, they stress that the situation remains dangerously volatile, with the ceasefire already showing cracks and the path for oil tankers to normalize taking months, not weeks. The discussion ultimately centers on whether sustained high energy prices will act as a regressive tax on the global consumer, potentially slowing growth and tipping a already “mushy” economy into recession.
The analysis hinges on two transmission channels from the geopolitical crisis to markets: the inflation channel (impacting the Fed’s interest rate decisions) and the growth channel (impacting corporate earnings and employment). While a relief rally is logical as near-term fears subside, both experts caution that the underlying risk of supply-driven inflation remains, and the market may be underestimating it. They explore the unique modern context of U.S. energy dominance through fracking, which could cushion the blow, but also note that the uncertainty itself prevents domestic producers from confidently increasing supply to stabilize prices.
A key takeaway is the importance of distinguishing between market noise and fundamental signals. The panel advises against overreacting to presidential rhetoric or daily headlines, arguing that disciplined investing requires focusing on corporate earnings, pricing power, and actual policy changes. The conversation concludes by identifying potential opportunity in the market dislocation, particularly in small and mid-cap stocks that have been overly punished and are sensitive to interest rates, as well as in large tech stocks like Microsoft that have seen their multiples contract to multi-year lows despite strong underlying fundamentals.
Surprising Insights
- Earnings estimates have been rising throughout the war and market turmoil, meaning the recent drop in stock prices was purely a multiple compression (investors willing to pay less for each dollar of earnings), not a reflection of deteriorating business fundamentals.
- The Fed could theoretically be justified in cutting rates in response to an oil price spike, a counterintuitive idea posited because supply-shock inflation acts as a regressive tax that hurts growth, potentially requiring stimulus even if headline inflation ticks up.
- The American consumer may be somewhat “inoculated” against inflation pain after the experience of 2020-2022, potentially making the economy more resilient to an oil price shock than traditional models suggest.
- Small and mid-cap stock indexes were already rallying year-to-date even before the ceasefire, signaling that beneath the surface, the market was anticipating relief for these more interest-rate-sensitive companies.
Practical Takeaways
- Focus on corporate fundamentals and pricing power, not headlines. When volatility strikes, look for companies with strong earnings that have been unfairly sold off due to multiple compression, not those with weak fundamentals enjoying a temporary bounce.
- Differentiate between “hot” (demand-driven) and “shock” (supply-driven) inflation in your analysis, as they have very different implications for economic growth and central bank policy.
- Consider opportunities in discounted asset classes. Small and mid-cap stocks, as well as European equities, are cited as areas potentially offering value due to their sensitivity to interest rates and current discounts relative to large-cap U.S. stocks.
- Manage emotional reactions to geopolitical rhetoric. Consume news in written form to minimize emotional impact, and base investment decisions on policy changes and company data, not the volatile rhetoric of political figures.
Sean Illing talks with economic historian Brad DeLong about his new book Slouching Towards Utopia. In it, DeLong claims that the “long twentieth century” was the most consequential period in human history, during which the institutions of rapid technological growth and globalization were created, setting humanity on a path towards improving life, defeating scarcity, and enabling real freedom. But… this ran into some problems. Sean and Brad talk about the power of markets, how the New Deal led to something approaching real social democracy, and why the Great Recession of 2008 and its aftermath signified the end of this momentous era.
Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: J. Bradford DeLong (@delong), author; professor of economics, U.C. Berkeley
References:
- Slouching Towards Utopia: An Economic History of the Twentieth Century by J. Bradford DeLong (Basic; 2022)
- The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich von Hayek (1944)
- The Great Transformation by Karl Polanyi (1944)
- Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy by Joseph Schumpeter (1942)
- “A Short History of Enclosure in Britain” by Simon Fairlie (This Land Magazine; 2009)
- “China’s Great Leap Forward” by Clayton D. Brown (Association for Asian Studies; 2012)
- What Is Property? by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (1840)
- The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order by Gary Gerstle (Oxford University Press; 2022)
- Apple’s “1984” ad (YouTube)
- The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money by John Maynard Keynes (1936)
- “The spectacular ongoing implosion of crypto’s biggest star, explained” by Emily Stewart (Vox; Nov. 18)
- “Did Greenspan Add to Subprime Woes? Gramlich Says Ex-Colleague Blocked Crackdown” by Greg Ip (Wall Street Journal; June 9, 2007)
- “Families across the country are tightening their belts and making tough decisions. The federal government should do the same,” from President Obama’s 2010 State of the Union Address (Jan. 27, 2010)
- “The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte” by Karl Marx (1852)
- Why We’re Polarized by Ezra Klein (Simon & Schuster; 2020)
- The Paradox of Democracy: Free Speech, Open Media, and Perilous Persuasion by Zac Gershberg and Sean Illing (U. Chicago; 2022)
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