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0:02:07 Hello, boys and girls.
0:02:09 This is Tim Ferriss.
0:02:10 Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferriss Show,
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0:02:57 First up, Craig Maude,
0:02:59 a writer, photographer, and walker
0:03:01 living in Tokyo and Kamakura, Japan,
0:03:03 and the author of
0:03:05 Things Become Other Things
0:03:06 and Kisa by Kisa.
0:03:10 You can find Craig on Instagram and X
0:03:11 at Craig Maude.
0:03:15 This excerpt comes from Tim’s first interview with Craig.
0:03:18 2009, hike to Nepal.
0:03:20 Is that enough of a cue?
0:03:22 Can you tell this story?
0:03:24 Yeah, that’s an inflection point.
0:03:25 I just got goosebumps, actually.
0:03:29 So I really struggled with alcohol in my 20s.
0:03:31 My teenage years, I didn’t touch anything.
0:03:34 I was militantly straight-edge-ish.
0:03:36 And basically, looking back now,
0:03:38 I realize I had such a strong impulse
0:03:41 to make sure I could get to whatever the next place was.
0:03:43 Anything I saw that could hold me back,
0:03:45 which included falling in love
0:03:47 or doing drugs or anything like that
0:03:48 that was like a retarding agent,
0:03:50 as a teenager,
0:03:50 I was like,
0:03:51 immediately, I was like,
0:03:52 okay, I don’t need this.
0:03:53 And I got to Japan,
0:03:54 and it was like,
0:03:55 oh, this is a place to reinvent myself.
0:03:57 And I started drinking,
0:03:58 because as you do,
0:04:00 because people drink so much here.
0:04:00 Sure.
0:04:03 And it turns out that I can drink a lot.
0:04:05 I can have 15, 20 drinks,
0:04:06 not throw up.
0:04:07 I black out.
0:04:08 Sure.
0:04:10 But there’s something in my genes
0:04:12 that allows me to just drink.
0:04:13 And then after two or three drinks,
0:04:14 something activates,
0:04:17 where it’s just all we live for is more drink.
0:04:21 And I think for most of my 20s,
0:04:23 because I had such a low sense of self-worth,
0:04:25 because of where I came from,
0:04:27 because I felt this abundance of people around me
0:04:28 that I didn’t feel I had.
0:04:30 And I didn’t know how to ratchet that up.
0:04:34 And I had this desire to produce culture,
0:04:35 or to produce art,
0:04:38 to produce literature at a level
0:04:39 that I didn’t know how to,
0:04:41 and I didn’t know how to bridge that gap.
0:04:42 And what I ended up doing was,
0:04:44 because I didn’t have mentors,
0:04:45 because I didn’t have archetypes near me,
0:04:47 I just drank like a fish.
0:04:48 And I played a lot of music,
0:04:50 because that was one thing I did have mastery over.
0:04:52 And I played a lot of music,
0:04:54 and I played a lot of that blacked out.
0:04:57 And I’m really lucky I didn’t die.
0:04:59 I mean, it would be one of these things
0:05:00 where many, many mornings of my life,
0:05:01 I’ve woken up,
0:05:02 and it’s just been checking,
0:05:04 is my face okay?
0:05:05 Did I break my skull open?
0:05:06 Or, you know, something like that.
0:05:08 And I was madly in love.
0:05:09 I fell madly, madly in love.
0:05:11 I was 26, 27 years old.
0:05:12 And I just,
0:05:16 I had the most incredible love connection
0:05:17 I’d ever felt.
0:05:19 This like otherworldly sense
0:05:20 of being in love with this person.
0:05:25 And we connected so intensely
0:05:28 and immediately went on a 40-day trip.
0:05:30 Like a week after meeting.
0:05:32 A 40-day trip through Tibet.
0:05:34 We went to Tibet.
0:05:36 I was possessed by a spirit.
0:05:38 Like, I spoke in tongues.
0:05:39 Wait, hold on.
0:05:40 We hiked up to a glacier.
0:05:43 I mean, we can’t really skip over
0:05:44 getting possessed by spirits.
0:05:48 I mean, it was,
0:05:50 yeah, there was,
0:05:52 we stayed at this one
0:05:54 little hotel in Laza
0:05:57 that had not always been a hotel.
0:05:58 You know, it was this old structure.
0:06:02 And woke up the next morning
0:06:06 and my girlfriend was being very strange.
0:06:07 She was being very weird.
0:06:08 And I was like, what’s going on?
0:06:10 She’s like, I’ll tell you when we get outside.
0:06:10 I was like, what?
0:06:12 You’ll tell me when we get outside?
0:06:12 Like, what’s this about?
0:06:14 And we go outside and she goes,
0:06:17 okay, last night we had to get out of there
0:06:18 because last night
0:06:20 I woke up in the middle of the night.
0:06:22 You were on your side of the bed
0:06:23 cradling something
0:06:25 that was not there.
0:06:27 You were speaking in Tibetan.
0:06:28 I couldn’t get you to wake up.
0:06:32 And I was trying to speak to you in English,
0:06:33 trying to speak to you in Japanese.
0:06:34 You wouldn’t respond.
0:06:36 And I finally crawled over
0:06:37 on your side of the bed
0:06:40 and I kind of took the air
0:06:41 that you were holding.
0:06:45 And I turned you on your side
0:06:46 and you were able to like,
0:06:47 calm down and go to sleep.
0:06:50 And I was like, oh my God,
0:06:50 I had this,
0:06:52 because I had had this vision
0:06:53 slash dream of this woman in white
0:06:54 standing in the doorway
0:06:56 and at the foot of the bed
0:06:57 the night before.
0:06:59 And I don’t know what was happening.
0:07:01 And like, even now,
0:07:02 I’m like full body goosebumps right now.
0:07:05 God, this is like straight out
0:07:06 of paranormal activity or something.
0:07:07 I’m just like, oh God.
0:07:08 It was so bizarre.
0:07:10 And we had been, you know,
0:07:11 and you have to imagine like,
0:07:12 I don’t know if you’ve ever been in love
0:07:13 to this degree
0:07:15 where it just feels like
0:07:16 everything in the world is fated.
0:07:17 Like everything is a sign
0:07:18 that you need to be together,
0:07:19 that this is magic.
0:07:20 Like only these things
0:07:21 can possibly happen
0:07:22 because you’re connected,
0:07:22 you’re together.
0:07:23 We both bought,
0:07:25 I remember we like pulled out
0:07:26 our books on the first day of the trip.
0:07:27 We had both brought
0:07:29 The Stranger by Camus.
0:07:30 You know, it was like,
0:07:32 it was like, oh my God, we’re fated.
0:07:34 I went back to the hotel
0:07:35 and I went to the manager
0:07:36 and I was like,
0:07:37 hey, I don’t think
0:07:38 we can stay here tonight.
0:07:39 He’s like, oh, what’s wrong?
0:07:40 And I was like, well,
0:07:41 you know, I was kind of possessed,
0:07:42 saw this.
0:07:43 He’s like, did you see the woman?
0:07:45 And I was like, yeah.
0:07:45 Oh God.
0:07:47 He’s like, he’s like, oh,
0:07:48 oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:07:49 No, we know what’s going on with that.
0:07:50 Here, we’ll take you
0:07:51 to the dream reader.
0:07:53 And so I was like, what?
0:07:54 You’ll take me to the dream?
0:07:55 So I ended up,
0:07:57 I’ll try to truncate this
0:07:57 because it can,
0:07:58 it can kind of get a little bit long,
0:07:59 but I mean,
0:08:00 I’m not sure anybody listening
0:08:01 wants you to truncate
0:08:02 this particular story.
0:08:04 So I mean,
0:08:05 go wherever you want.
0:08:07 One of the workers there
0:08:07 is like, you know,
0:08:08 the manager’s like,
0:08:09 okay, take him to the dream reader.
0:08:10 So, and I’m thinking,
0:08:11 okay, this is a scam.
0:08:12 I’m getting scammed.
0:08:13 Something that’s like weird’s going on.
0:08:16 And he takes us
0:08:16 and we go to like
0:08:18 the outskirts of Laza.
0:08:19 We go to this like really
0:08:21 kind of weird apartment block
0:08:22 that was just made of concrete.
0:08:22 It was maybe like
0:08:24 two or three stories tall.
0:08:26 And he takes us
0:08:27 to this room
0:08:28 on the third floor
0:08:29 and there’s a line of people,
0:08:30 a line of Tibetans
0:08:31 waiting at this door.
0:08:32 And they were all
0:08:34 waiting to have their dreams read.
0:08:35 So it was like,
0:08:35 okay, this is bizarre.
0:08:36 So we wait,
0:08:37 we stand in line,
0:08:37 we go inside,
0:08:38 we sit down inside.
0:08:40 The most beautiful,
0:08:41 I don’t know how old she was.
0:08:42 She was anywhere between
0:08:45 15 and a thousand years old.
0:08:46 Like she was just this,
0:08:47 this creature of
0:08:49 just the most bizarre light
0:08:49 walks out.
0:08:50 It was like being in the matrix,
0:08:51 you know,
0:08:52 the scene in the matrix
0:08:52 where they’re like
0:08:53 with the spoon and the bending
0:08:55 and you’re in this random apartment
0:08:56 and the TV’s on,
0:08:56 you know,
0:08:57 it was like that situation.
0:08:58 She comes over,
0:08:59 brings some yak,
0:09:00 buttermilk tea,
0:09:01 some cookies
0:09:02 because someone’s in the dream
0:09:03 reader room
0:09:04 and we’re waiting for them
0:09:05 to get out.
0:09:06 And then our term comes up.
0:09:07 I go in there,
0:09:07 you go into this room,
0:09:08 it’s all candles,
0:09:09 Dalai Lama photos,
0:09:10 like all this stuff.
0:09:10 It’s like,
0:09:11 you feel like you’re in this
0:09:12 really holy space.
0:09:14 And the guy from the hotel
0:09:15 interprets for us.
0:09:16 I tell her the dream,
0:09:16 I tell her what happened
0:09:18 and she gives me this blessing,
0:09:20 puts a white wreath
0:09:21 around my neck,
0:09:22 gives me this little
0:09:23 satchel of seeds
0:09:24 and tells me to put them
0:09:24 under my pillow
0:09:25 when I sleep
0:09:27 and then writes me a prayer
0:09:28 and she says,
0:09:28 okay,
0:09:30 here’s these three pieces of paper.
0:09:30 You have to take them
0:09:31 to these three temples
0:09:32 and they will burn them
0:09:33 for you tonight.
0:09:34 They’ll know what to do.
0:09:34 Just tell them
0:09:36 the dream reader sent you
0:09:37 and you’ll be okay.
0:09:37 You’ll be fine.
0:09:38 Everything will be good.
0:09:40 And I was like,
0:09:42 no one’s asking me for money.
0:09:44 And the hotel guy’s like,
0:09:45 oh, you can leave a tip
0:09:45 if you want or whatever.
0:09:48 It was like $2 or something.
0:09:49 I put $2 in the little thingy.
0:09:51 And then we go to the temples
0:09:52 and it ended up becoming
0:09:54 this incredible adventure.
0:09:55 This connects with a lot
0:09:56 of my walking as well.
0:09:57 Having experiences like this
0:09:58 I think informed
0:10:00 the sense of just give yourself up
0:10:01 to what the day
0:10:04 could potentially give to you.
0:10:05 And so I ended up going
0:10:06 to all these temples
0:10:07 I would have never gone to.
0:10:08 I went to the dream reader’s apartment
0:10:10 which was like the most bizarre,
0:10:11 beautiful place I went to
0:10:12 in all of Tibet
0:10:12 in that entire trip.
0:10:14 We went to these temples,
0:10:15 met these monks,
0:10:16 say, hey, can you burn this for me?
0:10:18 Oh yes, of course, absolutely.
0:10:19 Give them like a dollar,
0:10:21 50 cents or whatever.
0:10:23 The whole thing cost nothing.
0:10:24 It was clearly not a scam.
0:10:26 It was clearly this thing
0:10:27 that a lot of locals
0:10:28 were participating in.
0:10:30 And it was magic.
0:10:31 It was just pure magic.
0:10:31 So anyway,
0:10:32 things like that were happening
0:10:33 with this woman.
0:10:35 And I screwed it up
0:10:36 because of my drinking.
0:10:38 I ruined the relationship.
0:10:39 She punched me in the face
0:10:39 at one point,
0:10:40 very rightfully so.
0:10:42 And she was like,
0:10:44 hey, I can’t be with someone like you.
0:10:45 This happened on that trip?
0:10:47 Not on that trip.
0:10:48 That happened a couple months later.
0:10:49 We ended up staying together
0:10:50 for about three months.
0:10:51 And basically,
0:10:51 I mean,
0:10:53 it was about 10 years worth
0:10:55 of lifetimes in three months.
0:10:55 The candle that burns
0:10:56 twice as bright.
0:10:57 Yes.
0:11:01 But losing her was
0:11:02 probably the biggest
0:11:05 psychic damage
0:11:06 I’d ever encountered
0:11:06 in my life
0:11:07 as an adult.
0:11:10 And I remember just lying
0:11:11 in my tiny apartment
0:11:12 in Tokyo,
0:11:13 my six mat tatami room
0:11:14 apartment in Tokyo.
0:11:15 It was three in the morning.
0:11:16 I wanted to die.
0:11:18 It was rock,
0:11:18 rock,
0:11:19 rock bottom.
0:11:20 This isn’t like
0:11:21 a ritual story.
0:11:22 I didn’t get up
0:11:22 and run 40 miles
0:11:23 or anything like that.
0:11:24 But I was like,
0:11:25 I’m going to start running.
0:11:25 And I went out
0:11:26 and I ran like 5K
0:11:28 at three in the morning
0:11:29 through the streets of Tokyo.
0:11:31 And I was like,
0:11:32 that felt good.
0:11:33 And I was like,
0:11:33 okay,
0:11:34 I need to stop drinking.
0:11:35 And to stop drinking,
0:11:36 I’m going to run this marathon
0:11:37 in November.
0:11:38 I think it was like July
0:11:38 when this happened.
0:11:40 And I just started
0:11:40 preparing for that.
0:11:41 These were actually
0:11:42 the first steps
0:11:43 for me
0:11:45 to deliberately address
0:11:46 this lack of self-worth
0:11:47 that I’ve been carrying around
0:11:48 for all of my adult life.
0:11:49 And that had,
0:11:50 I think,
0:11:50 driven me to drink
0:11:51 the way I drank.
0:11:52 That to give into
0:11:54 whatever those genetic impulses were.
0:11:55 And to start to go,
0:11:55 okay,
0:11:56 we’re going to run.
0:11:57 We’re going to be someone
0:11:57 who runs.
0:11:58 A lot of this
0:11:58 is also like
0:12:00 very Atomic Habits
0:12:00 style stuff.
0:12:01 It’s like,
0:12:01 who are you going to be
0:12:02 and how are you going to
0:12:02 set yourself up
0:12:03 to be successful?
0:12:04 I’m going to be a person
0:12:05 who runs.
0:12:05 I’m going to be a person
0:12:07 who doesn’t drink.
0:12:07 I’m going to be a person
0:12:09 who charges a lot.
0:12:10 So I was,
0:12:12 at this time,
0:12:12 you know,
0:12:14 with the publishing company thing,
0:12:14 we were producing
0:12:15 these books
0:12:16 that were winning awards
0:12:17 and making absolutely
0:12:18 no money.
0:12:19 And so I was consulting,
0:12:21 doing like web design,
0:12:22 consulting,
0:12:23 and stuff like that.
0:12:23 And I was like,
0:12:23 okay,
0:12:25 I’m going to start charging
0:12:26 absurd amounts of money
0:12:27 for my time.
0:12:28 The worst that can happen
0:12:28 is people reject.
0:12:30 And they started accepting it.
0:12:31 And I was like,
0:12:31 oh,
0:12:32 little by little.
0:12:34 All these stupid
0:12:35 little steps
0:12:36 from the time
0:12:37 I was basically 27
0:12:38 to 30,
0:12:39 these were the most
0:12:41 important years
0:12:42 of tiny little steps.
0:12:43 My time is more valuable.
0:12:44 I’m going to be a person
0:12:45 who runs.
0:12:45 I’m going to be a person
0:12:46 who can take care of himself.
0:12:48 I still drank,
0:12:48 even though I tried
0:12:49 to not drink,
0:12:50 but I started lowering it.
0:12:51 It took me about
0:12:53 four full years
0:12:54 to completely get off
0:12:55 the sauce
0:12:57 in a really dangerous way.
0:12:59 And it kind of,
0:13:00 part of it culminated
0:13:01 in going to Nepal
0:13:03 and climbing up
0:13:04 to Annapurta base camp.
0:13:06 And that was after
0:13:06 we had broken up
0:13:07 and I felt like
0:13:08 all the magic
0:13:09 of my life was done.
0:13:10 I felt like there was
0:13:10 no way for me
0:13:11 to experience magic again.
0:13:12 I felt like she,
0:13:13 and again,
0:13:14 it’s this totally
0:13:15 irrational sense
0:13:16 of scarcity.
0:13:17 The amount of scarcity
0:13:19 I felt as an adult
0:13:20 in my 20s
0:13:22 is just shocking.
0:13:23 It was this fathomless
0:13:24 sense of scarcity.
0:13:24 Like,
0:13:25 the money’s not going
0:13:26 to be there.
0:13:27 The love isn’t going
0:13:27 to be there.
0:13:28 The support isn’t
0:13:28 going to be there.
0:13:30 And then when I lost her,
0:13:30 I was like,
0:13:31 I’m never going to have anyone
0:13:33 who will ever love me
0:13:34 like this person loved me.
0:13:34 And like,
0:13:35 I’m never going to be able
0:13:36 to create like I created
0:13:37 with this person.
0:13:39 And I had to start
0:13:39 proving to myself
0:13:40 that that wasn’t true.
0:13:42 And I climbed up.
0:13:42 I was like,
0:13:42 okay,
0:13:43 I’m just going to go to Nepal
0:13:44 and I’m going to climb up
0:13:44 Annapurna,
0:13:45 go to Basecamp.
0:14:05 Metaphorically speaking,
0:14:06 the billboard question,
0:14:06 right?
0:14:07 So if you were going to put
0:14:09 a message on a billboard,
0:14:10 could say anything,
0:14:11 could be an image,
0:14:13 anything at all
0:14:14 that you would want
0:14:16 a lot of people to see
0:14:17 and understand,
0:14:19 what might you put on that?
0:14:21 I love this question.
0:14:23 I might overthink it.
0:14:28 And understand.
0:14:30 So we can assume though.
0:14:31 The and understand
0:14:32 I threw on there
0:14:33 with a little creative flourish,
0:14:35 it may complicate your thinking.
0:14:36 I’m going to build on that.
0:14:37 And thinking about this,
0:14:37 what comes to mind,
0:14:38 first of all,
0:14:40 is the category
0:14:42 is something
0:14:43 that will help people
0:14:45 heal,
0:14:46 you know,
0:14:47 just be
0:14:49 their whole and true selves
0:14:50 because I think that’s where
0:14:51 all our problems come from
0:14:53 is the lack of that.
0:14:54 And as much as I care
0:14:55 about climate,
0:14:56 I think that the key
0:14:57 to solving climate
0:14:58 is to heal ourselves,
0:14:59 to heal culture,
0:15:00 to heal the planet.
0:15:03 And so I start with the self.
0:15:05 And then my mind goes to,
0:15:08 what’s a big fundamental truth
0:15:09 that we want everyone,
0:15:11 let’s pretend if they read it,
0:15:12 they’ll actually get it
0:15:13 and know it.
0:15:14 Then I think there’s
0:15:15 a little bit of tension
0:15:16 between like the most
0:15:17 fundamental truths
0:15:20 and how actionable they are.
0:15:21 So if we said,
0:15:22 we are all one,
0:15:23 which I believe,
0:15:24 it’s like,
0:15:25 okay,
0:15:26 we’re all one.
0:15:27 The universe is one big thing,
0:15:28 we’re all connected.
0:15:30 What do I do with that?
0:15:30 I mean,
0:15:32 maybe if you really ponder that
0:15:32 and meditate on that
0:15:33 a long time,
0:15:33 it’ll actually,
0:15:34 it will do you some good.
0:15:35 But then if you move
0:15:36 toward the spectrum
0:15:38 of usefulness
0:15:40 of what’s a fundamental truth
0:15:41 that’s more useful,
0:15:42 you might some,
0:15:43 you know,
0:15:44 have like some Buddhist
0:15:45 saying like
0:15:46 all of our suffering
0:15:47 comes from,
0:15:47 you know,
0:15:48 our thoughts
0:15:49 or our inability
0:15:50 to accept reality,
0:15:51 which is a little bit
0:15:52 more useful.
0:15:54 but maybe for the masses
0:15:54 not,
0:15:56 still not very actionable.
0:15:57 And then you could move
0:15:57 to like,
0:15:59 feel your feelings,
0:16:01 which I think would
0:16:02 do a tremendous
0:16:03 amount of good
0:16:04 if people adopt,
0:16:04 oh,
0:16:05 feel your feelings.
0:16:06 It’s a little bit easier
0:16:07 to imagine that.
0:16:08 Like so much
0:16:08 of our suffering,
0:16:09 and I say this
0:16:10 as someone who
0:16:11 told their first therapist,
0:16:12 I don’t understand
0:16:13 the point of feelings.
0:16:14 I was like,
0:16:15 they are just a nuisance
0:16:16 and get in the way.
0:16:17 so it took me
0:16:18 a long time
0:16:19 to appreciate that
0:16:21 and the avoidance
0:16:22 that so many
0:16:23 of us go through.
0:16:24 And then
0:16:28 one step further
0:16:28 might be
0:16:30 stop drinking alcohol
0:16:31 for six months
0:16:32 and see how you feel.
0:16:35 Not tonight though,
0:16:36 it’s fine,
0:16:36 we’re in a bar.
0:16:37 Not tonight,
0:16:37 nice.
0:16:38 Starting tomorrow,
0:16:38 starting tomorrow.
0:16:39 Consider it.
0:16:40 So following up
0:16:41 just on the feeling
0:16:42 your feelings,
0:16:43 you said for a long time
0:16:43 and you said this
0:16:44 to your first therapist,
0:16:44 right,
0:16:45 they’re just a nuisance,
0:16:46 I’d like to know
0:16:48 how to rid myself
0:16:49 of these irritations.
0:16:51 What changed?
0:16:53 How did you end up
0:16:55 going on to team feelings?
0:16:55 So,
0:16:56 I mean,
0:16:57 it was a long,
0:16:58 long process.
0:16:58 I mean,
0:16:59 the therapy helped,
0:17:01 the psychedelics helped,
0:17:02 meditation,
0:17:03 growth,
0:17:03 learning,
0:17:04 reading books,
0:17:05 having friends,
0:17:07 stopping drinking,
0:17:08 actually,
0:17:09 just for six months.
0:17:10 And,
0:17:12 I’ve gone through a lot,
0:17:13 I’ve done a lot of work
0:17:15 particularly in the last
0:17:15 couple years.
0:17:16 That’s been,
0:17:16 you know,
0:17:17 just super,
0:17:18 super important.
0:17:19 Yeah,
0:17:19 just a note on alcohol.
0:17:20 Look,
0:17:20 I’m going to have
0:17:21 some drinks tonight.
0:17:22 I do enjoy drinking,
0:17:22 but,
0:17:23 yeah.
0:17:27 But,
0:17:28 just a PSA for people
0:17:29 because ketamine
0:17:30 is in the air.
0:17:31 Ketamine’s probably
0:17:32 in a few people’s pockets here.
0:17:33 They’re both
0:17:35 dissociative anesthetics,
0:17:35 so if you want to feel
0:17:36 your feelings,
0:17:37 it’s a good idea
0:17:39 not to engage
0:17:40 with those things
0:17:41 excessively.
0:17:41 And if you have
0:17:42 a history of alcohol
0:17:44 overuse,
0:17:45 I would also stay away
0:17:46 from any at-home ketamine.
0:17:47 But,
0:17:48 in terms of books
0:17:49 or types of therapy,
0:17:50 did you find,
0:17:51 if there are people
0:17:51 in the audience
0:17:51 who are like,
0:17:52 yeah,
0:17:52 you know what,
0:17:52 actually,
0:17:53 that makes sense to me,
0:17:54 but I’ve never been able
0:17:56 to find a handhold
0:17:57 to get started.
0:17:59 Is there any advice
0:17:59 you might give?
0:18:02 Probably the best thing
0:18:03 I’ve ever done
0:18:04 in that realm
0:18:06 is Hoffman.
0:18:08 Have you done Hoffman?
0:18:08 Hoffman,
0:18:09 I haven’t done Hoffman,
0:18:10 but quite a few
0:18:10 of my friends have.
0:18:11 So there’s this thing
0:18:12 called the Hoffman process.
0:18:15 It’s 20 years of therapy
0:18:15 in a week
0:18:17 in terms of the effect.
0:18:17 I mean,
0:18:19 I’ve got much more out of it
0:18:20 than I ever got in therapy.
0:18:21 It’s a week-long retreat.
0:18:23 There’s a few different places.
0:18:23 The main one’s
0:18:24 in Petaluma, California.
0:18:26 You hand over your phone.
0:18:27 You go
0:18:29 and do some exercises
0:18:32 with 36 strangers
0:18:34 and yourself
0:18:34 for a week
0:18:35 and you come out
0:18:36 a new person.
0:18:40 So I’ve spoken,
0:18:40 well,
0:18:41 not directly,
0:18:41 I’ve more listened,
0:18:43 but had a conversation
0:18:44 on this podcast
0:18:45 where the Hoffman process
0:18:45 came up
0:18:47 and a lot of listeners
0:18:48 have gone to the Hoffman process
0:18:49 and I get letters
0:18:51 literally every week
0:18:52 from people
0:18:54 who are thanking me
0:18:56 for not really
0:18:58 the proper credit
0:18:58 because there’s someone else
0:18:59 who brought it up
0:19:00 for the Hoffman process.
0:19:02 I’m very curious.
0:19:03 You mentioned the strangers.
0:19:05 Part of the reason
0:19:05 I haven’t gone
0:19:06 is I’m like,
0:19:07 I don’t want to air
0:19:09 all of my dirty laundry
0:19:11 in front of 20 strangers.
0:19:12 I don’t know these people.
0:19:14 And I know you’re also,
0:19:16 I think it’s fair to say,
0:19:17 pretty introverted.
0:19:18 I would say I am,
0:19:19 even though I’m on stage
0:19:20 like safely
0:19:21 speaking into the darkness.
0:19:24 Was that an issue
0:19:25 at all for you
0:19:25 or how did you
0:19:27 get past that?
0:19:28 It wasn’t easy.
0:19:29 but it’s just
0:19:30 in the context of it,
0:19:32 it just feels very safe.
0:19:34 One of the fascinating things
0:19:35 is it’s strangers,
0:19:37 you are not allowed
0:19:38 to say your last name
0:19:39 or what you do
0:19:39 in the real world
0:19:40 when you get there.
0:19:42 So you connect with people
0:19:43 and I realized
0:19:45 after a few days,
0:19:47 I relied so much
0:19:48 on people knowing
0:19:48 who I was
0:19:49 or what I did
0:19:51 that it was this veil
0:19:52 between me
0:19:53 and other humans.
0:19:55 so you get to know people
0:19:56 at such a deep level
0:19:58 without really knowing
0:19:59 any of the normal things
0:20:00 that we would say,
0:20:01 you meet someone here,
0:20:01 what do you do,
0:20:03 where do you live?
0:20:05 And that,
0:20:06 it just feels
0:20:07 incredibly safe.
0:20:09 But the process is,
0:20:10 they’ve been doing it
0:20:11 for 50 some years.
0:20:12 It’s very evolved.
0:20:13 It’s very well done.
0:20:14 You take any of it
0:20:15 out of context,
0:20:16 it sounds weird.
0:20:17 like I knew nothing
0:20:17 going in
0:20:19 and about five people
0:20:20 brought it up to me
0:20:22 in random conversations
0:20:22 over a week
0:20:23 and were like,
0:20:23 okay,
0:20:24 this is a message,
0:20:25 I’m going to sign up
0:20:25 for this thing,
0:20:26 show up,
0:20:27 I had no idea
0:20:29 and then you just dive in
0:20:31 and it’s incredible.
0:20:32 Yeah,
0:20:32 from what I can tell,
0:20:34 it’s somewhat like Fight Club.
0:20:35 It’s like first rule
0:20:35 of Fight Club
0:20:36 is don’t talk about Fight Club.
0:20:37 You’re not going to find
0:20:38 much detail
0:20:39 on the Hoffman process.
0:20:42 This also ties into
0:20:42 a question I was planning
0:20:43 on asking anyway,
0:20:44 which is,
0:20:45 are there any habits
0:20:47 or beliefs
0:20:49 that have really
0:20:50 positively impacted
0:20:51 your life
0:20:52 in the last handful
0:20:53 of years?
0:20:54 Could also be 10 years ago,
0:20:56 but you’ve talked
0:20:57 about doing a lot of work
0:20:58 in the last handful
0:20:59 of years.
0:21:00 Any new habits,
0:21:01 beliefs,
0:21:03 tools,
0:21:04 anything come to mind
0:21:04 that have been
0:21:05 really helpful?
0:21:06 Yes,
0:21:08 but I feel like
0:21:08 they’re the ones
0:21:10 that everybody knows.
0:21:11 Well,
0:21:11 I mean,
0:21:12 sometimes the fundamentals
0:21:14 are worth a review.
0:21:14 I mean,
0:21:15 it is exercise,
0:21:16 exercise and meditation.
0:21:18 I dabbled in
0:21:19 for a long time
0:21:21 and then I got
0:21:22 much more serious
0:21:22 a couple years ago
0:21:23 about both
0:21:25 and really,
0:21:27 really dramatic
0:21:27 life improvement.
0:21:28 Why did you get
0:21:29 more serious about them?
0:21:31 You just wake up
0:21:32 one day
0:21:32 and you’re like,
0:21:33 today’s a new day
0:21:34 or was there
0:21:35 a breaking point?
0:21:37 It was early COVID.
0:21:37 I was like,
0:21:38 what the fuck
0:21:39 am I doing?
0:21:40 I’m going to turn 50
0:21:43 and I need to work
0:21:43 a hell of a lot harder
0:21:44 to be in shape
0:21:45 than I was.
0:21:47 So I just started doing it.
0:21:47 I was at home.
0:21:48 I had the time.
0:21:50 So I did that.
0:21:52 Although that’s increased
0:21:52 and, you know,
0:21:53 because you get the
0:21:54 positive reward cycle
0:21:55 and it feels great.
0:21:57 And meditation,
0:21:59 I’ve always found
0:22:00 super valuable
0:22:00 and I just,
0:22:01 last year,
0:22:04 on January 2nd,
0:22:04 2024,
0:22:07 I had meditated
0:22:07 the day before
0:22:08 and I was like,
0:22:09 I could meditate
0:22:11 every single day
0:22:11 this year.
0:22:13 And it was just
0:22:14 that sort of
0:22:15 psychological hook
0:22:16 that you find motivating
0:22:17 even though it’s arbitrary.
0:22:18 And I was like,
0:22:19 yes,
0:22:19 I’m going to meditate
0:22:20 every single day
0:22:21 in 2024.
0:22:22 That’s a goal.
0:22:23 And I don’t normally
0:22:24 set goals like that,
0:22:26 but I was like,
0:22:26 okay,
0:22:27 let’s see what happens.
0:22:29 And my teacher says,
0:22:30 you can’t boil water
0:22:31 if you keep turning
0:22:31 off the flame.
0:22:33 And so the consistency
0:22:34 of meditation,
0:22:36 I underestimated
0:22:37 what dramatic difference
0:22:37 that makes
0:22:38 and how fast
0:22:39 you can drop in
0:22:40 if you do it
0:22:41 every single day.
0:22:42 What type of meditation
0:22:44 did you decide on?
0:22:45 Just mindfulness,
0:22:46 meditation,
0:22:47 breath,
0:22:48 and awareness.
0:22:50 Not TM,
0:22:50 just…
0:22:51 Just like an open
0:22:52 monitoring,
0:22:53 feel what you feel,
0:22:54 see what you see.
0:22:54 Yeah.
0:22:56 Are you noting things
0:22:57 or are you just
0:22:57 observing?
0:22:57 Sometimes noting.
0:22:59 Sometimes noting.
0:23:00 And I know
0:23:01 you like to know
0:23:01 about products,
0:23:02 you know about this product,
0:23:04 but I was using
0:23:04 The Way.
0:23:05 You probably talked
0:23:06 about that before.
0:23:08 The Way is a meditation app.
0:23:08 I hadn’t used
0:23:09 a meditation app
0:23:09 for years.
0:23:10 The Way,
0:23:12 I started using The Way,
0:23:13 Kevin sent it to me actually,
0:23:14 around when it was
0:23:15 still in beta.
0:23:17 And I started doing that
0:23:18 around that time.
0:23:19 Yeah.
0:23:20 The Way is fantastic.
0:23:21 Yeah.
0:23:22 Henry Schuchman,
0:23:23 just an incredible guy.
0:23:24 I mean,
0:23:26 we’ll hope to meet him
0:23:27 in person someday.
0:23:33 Last but not least,
0:23:34 Richard Taylor,
0:23:36 the co-founder
0:23:37 and creative lead
0:23:38 at Academy Award-winning
0:23:39 design studio
0:23:41 and manufacturing facility,
0:23:42 Weta Workshop,
0:23:44 and Greg Broadmoor,
0:23:46 an artist and writer
0:23:47 who has been part of
0:23:48 the Weta Workshop team
0:23:49 for more than 20 years
0:23:50 and is the creator
0:23:52 of the retro sci-fi world
0:23:53 of Dr. Groard Bortz
0:23:55 and the graphic novel series
0:23:56 One Path.
0:23:58 But first,
0:23:59 I do want to talk about,
0:24:00 because this certainly
0:24:01 is so iconic
0:24:03 and it’s in the minds
0:24:04 of probably most people
0:24:04 listening,
0:24:05 which is
0:24:06 Lord of the Rings.
0:24:08 And I’d like to
0:24:09 understand
0:24:11 what some of the most,
0:24:12 first of all,
0:24:14 kind of how that came to be,
0:24:14 Richard,
0:24:16 and then
0:24:17 what some of the most
0:24:18 crucial decisions were
0:24:20 with respect to
0:24:21 taking on
0:24:22 a project
0:24:24 of that scope.
0:24:24 Because
0:24:26 for a lot of companies,
0:24:27 I could see that being
0:24:28 the hug of death,
0:24:30 where you suddenly go from
0:24:33 reasonably moderately contained
0:24:34 and small
0:24:36 to sprawling,
0:24:38 taking on so much responsibility
0:24:40 and many companies
0:24:41 would implode.
0:24:41 I’ve seen it happen
0:24:42 many, many times.
0:24:44 So how did that come to be
0:24:45 and what were some
0:24:46 of the most important
0:24:48 decisions made
0:24:48 that allowed
0:24:50 you to
0:24:51 grow the company
0:24:51 and take that on?
0:24:53 Yeah,
0:24:54 that’s a really
0:24:56 big question.
0:24:56 I’ll try and answer it
0:24:58 in a very condensed way.
0:24:59 We have time.
0:25:01 I just pulled this out,
0:25:02 right?
0:25:03 This is Sting
0:25:04 from the movie.
0:25:05 This is one of my
0:25:06 favorite things
0:25:07 that we’ve made
0:25:08 in the company
0:25:10 and I keep it next to me
0:25:11 and I pick it up
0:25:12 and it gives you strength
0:25:13 and it gives you
0:25:15 a sense of wonder
0:25:16 and it connects you
0:25:17 back to a
0:25:18 very happy time
0:25:20 and it glows
0:25:21 if there are
0:25:22 challenging clients
0:25:23 in the corridor.
0:25:24 For people
0:25:25 who can’t see that,
0:25:26 that is a sword.
0:25:27 Yeah.
0:25:28 Oh, sorry.
0:25:29 Those that can’t see it,
0:25:30 here I’m showing
0:25:31 all these visual aids
0:25:32 because that’s how
0:25:33 I think.
0:25:33 Oh, it’s okay.
0:25:35 I’ll drive people
0:25:36 to the video.
0:25:38 Yeah, I just held up
0:25:40 the 1.48 times
0:25:41 larger than life size
0:25:43 sting that’s carried
0:25:44 by Elijah Wood
0:25:46 at his scale.
0:25:47 I likened it
0:25:49 to teetering
0:25:50 towards the edge
0:25:51 of a precipice.
0:25:52 There’s probably
0:25:53 a much better
0:25:54 visual metaphor
0:25:55 than this
0:25:55 but,
0:25:58 and you do this
0:25:59 you know,
0:26:00 frequently in one’s life.
0:26:01 The decision
0:26:02 to start a family,
0:26:03 the decision
0:26:05 to buy your first home
0:26:05 or the home
0:26:06 that you’ll spend
0:26:07 the rest of your life
0:26:07 in like the home
0:26:08 that my wife and I
0:26:10 bought way back
0:26:11 on Meet the Feebles,
0:26:11 right?
0:26:12 the decision
0:26:14 to X, Y, and Z.
0:26:16 But Peter Jackson
0:26:18 offers this opportunity
0:26:20 and when he offered it
0:26:21 my wife and I,
0:26:22 Tanya and I
0:26:24 discussed with Peter
0:26:25 and we ultimately
0:26:26 settled on doing
0:26:28 the design for
0:26:30 and the manufacturing
0:26:32 of the armor,
0:26:32 weapons,
0:26:33 creatures,
0:26:33 miniatures,
0:26:35 special makeup effects
0:26:36 and prosthetics
0:26:37 like five divisions
0:26:39 of very, very large
0:26:39 body of work.
0:26:41 And you teeter
0:26:41 to the edge
0:26:42 of the precipice
0:26:44 and as a human,
0:26:47 just as the human animal
0:26:47 that we are,
0:26:49 you’ve got a decision.
0:26:51 You either step back
0:26:51 from the edge
0:26:52 and let others
0:26:54 take up the slack
0:26:55 and do it for you
0:26:56 and you follow
0:26:58 or you choose
0:26:59 to leap
0:27:00 and you either
0:27:01 will then slam
0:27:01 into the bottom
0:27:02 of the cliff
0:27:03 and make a mess
0:27:04 with your guts
0:27:05 and your brains
0:27:05 everywhere
0:27:07 or you will actually
0:27:09 arrest your fall
0:27:10 through a number
0:27:11 of different
0:27:12 mechanisms.
0:27:13 Self-belief
0:27:14 being the most
0:27:15 important one.
0:27:16 I have four
0:27:17 very simple
0:27:18 tenants
0:27:19 that I operate
0:27:19 by
0:27:21 and four tenants
0:27:21 that I try
0:27:22 and operate
0:27:22 our company
0:27:22 by
0:27:24 and the first
0:27:24 one is love
0:27:25 of oneself.
0:27:27 That doesn’t
0:27:27 mean that you’re
0:27:28 egotistical
0:27:29 or believe that
0:27:30 you’re better
0:27:30 than you are
0:27:32 but if you
0:27:33 can’t see
0:27:34 in yourself
0:27:35 your virtues,
0:27:36 how the hell
0:27:36 are you going
0:27:37 to expect
0:27:38 anyone else
0:27:38 following you
0:27:40 to see your
0:27:41 virtues, right?
0:27:41 So love
0:27:42 of oneself
0:27:43 is the first
0:27:44 of those four
0:27:44 tenants
0:27:46 and there
0:27:47 is mixed
0:27:48 with that
0:27:49 as corny
0:27:50 as it sounds,
0:27:51 ignorance
0:27:51 being your
0:27:52 greatest ally.
0:27:53 I think
0:27:54 all of us
0:27:55 operate
0:27:56 to some
0:27:56 degree
0:27:58 where we
0:27:59 are blinded
0:27:59 by the
0:28:01 love of what
0:28:01 we do
0:28:02 like Bertram
0:28:03 Russell
0:28:03 if I’ve got
0:28:04 the right
0:28:04 person
0:28:05 has a lovely
0:28:06 quote
0:28:07 work is more
0:28:08 fun
0:28:09 than fun
0:28:10 and people
0:28:10 that don’t
0:28:11 understand
0:28:11 that
0:28:13 struggle
0:28:13 even if
0:28:14 you’re in
0:28:15 a low
0:28:16 level
0:28:17 position
0:28:18 that you’re
0:28:18 not really
0:28:19 enjoying
0:28:20 you can
0:28:20 still make
0:28:21 the people
0:28:21 that you
0:28:21 work with
0:28:22 really fun,
0:28:23 right?
0:28:23 I used to
0:28:24 clean toilets
0:28:25 on international
0:28:26 aeroplanes
0:28:27 but man
0:28:27 the people
0:28:28 I worked
0:28:28 with
0:28:29 I put
0:28:30 a cricket
0:28:30 ball
0:28:31 through the
0:28:31 window
0:28:32 of the
0:28:33 international
0:28:34 terminal
0:28:35 because we
0:28:35 were playing
0:28:35 cricket
0:28:37 out on the
0:28:37 tarmac
0:28:38 under the
0:28:39 planes
0:28:39 right?
0:28:40 You can
0:28:41 turn anything
0:28:41 into fun
0:28:43 so I
0:28:43 had once
0:28:44 again a
0:28:45 very corny
0:28:45 and I
0:28:46 couldn’t
0:28:46 think of
0:28:46 something
0:28:47 better at
0:28:47 the time
0:28:49 but we
0:28:51 needed 158
0:28:52 crew working
0:28:53 for seven
0:28:54 and a half
0:28:54 years on
0:28:56 48,000
0:28:56 separate things
0:28:57 to deliver
0:28:58 those five
0:28:59 divisions to
0:28:59 the trilogy
0:29:00 of movies
0:29:01 our works
0:29:02 in 98
0:29:03 to 99
0:29:04 percent of
0:29:05 the films
0:29:06 because our
0:29:06 works in
0:29:07 almost every
0:29:08 image shot
0:29:08 other than
0:29:09 mountains
0:29:10 with no one
0:29:11 in it
0:29:11 or etc
0:29:13 and you’ve
0:29:14 got an
0:29:15 inexperienced
0:29:16 crew
0:29:17 you’re highly
0:29:18 inexperienced
0:29:18 yourself
0:29:19 right?
0:29:19 We’d done
0:29:20 Hercules and
0:29:21 Xena at
0:29:21 the time
0:29:22 and we’d
0:29:22 had a
0:29:23 career of
0:29:23 about 8
0:29:24 to 10
0:29:24 years
0:29:25 doing
0:29:26 Peter’s
0:29:26 films
0:29:27 Peter of
0:29:28 course is
0:29:29 an inspiration
0:29:30 in his own
0:29:30 right and
0:29:31 highly knowledgeable
0:29:32 so he’s
0:29:33 helping as
0:29:33 well
0:29:34 I used to
0:29:35 say no
0:29:36 matter how
0:29:37 fine and
0:29:38 how pale
0:29:39 the thread
0:29:39 that I
0:29:40 give you
0:29:40 if you
0:29:41 don’t weave
0:29:42 it with
0:29:42 care into
0:29:43 the tapestry
0:29:44 the tapestry
0:29:45 will be in
0:29:45 some way
0:29:46 threadbare
0:29:47 what I’m
0:29:48 talking about
0:29:48 that’s that’s
0:29:49 sort of more
0:29:50 of a silly
0:29:51 poetic way
0:29:51 to say
0:29:52 you’re only
0:29:53 as good as
0:29:53 your weakest
0:29:55 link and
0:29:55 in our case
0:29:56 we literally
0:29:57 were linking
0:29:57 right hand
0:29:58 made chain
0:29:59 mail 12
0:29:59 and a half
0:30:00 million links
0:30:01 over three
0:30:01 and a half
0:30:03 years and
0:30:04 chain mail is
0:30:05 only as good
0:30:05 as how
0:30:06 well you
0:30:07 glue the
0:30:07 top link
0:30:08 on your
0:30:08 shoulder
0:30:09 and whether
0:30:10 the chain
0:30:10 mail is going
0:30:11 to fall
0:30:11 off you
0:30:12 so trying
0:30:13 to get
0:30:14 us
0:30:15 collectively
0:30:16 myself and
0:30:17 my wife
0:30:17 and our
0:30:18 team to
0:30:19 believe that
0:30:19 we could
0:30:20 do it
0:30:21 didn’t
0:30:21 require
0:30:23 because there
0:30:23 is a
0:30:25 I’m sure
0:30:25 it exists
0:30:25 in other
0:30:26 countries but
0:30:27 it is a
0:30:27 fundamental
0:30:28 part of
0:30:29 New Zealand
0:30:30 I think
0:30:30 it’s because
0:30:30 we’re a
0:30:30 young
0:30:31 nation
0:30:31 we’re at
0:30:32 the back
0:30:33 quarters of
0:30:33 the world
0:30:33 a long
0:30:34 way from
0:30:35 marketplaces
0:30:36 where you
0:30:36 can buy
0:30:37 components
0:30:38 to fix
0:30:38 your
0:30:39 tractor
0:30:40 so there
0:30:41 is this
0:30:42 intense
0:30:42 can-do
0:30:43 attitude
0:30:44 that still
0:30:45 exists today
0:30:46 thankfully
0:30:47 we hire
0:30:47 people that
0:30:48 come with
0:30:49 that beautiful
0:30:50 can-do
0:30:50 attitude
0:30:52 and we
0:30:52 were able
0:30:53 to benefit
0:30:54 and bottle
0:30:55 that so
0:30:56 significantly
0:30:57 on those
0:30:58 three films
0:30:59 and the
0:31:01 overjoyed
0:31:01 nature of
0:31:02 knowing that
0:31:02 you’re trying
0:31:03 to prove
0:31:03 something
0:31:04 prove that
0:31:05 New Zealand
0:31:06 could do
0:31:06 it
0:31:06 that we
0:31:07 could stamp
0:31:08 our mark
0:31:08 on the
0:31:09 world stage
0:31:10 that was
0:31:11 really important
0:31:11 to us
0:31:12 to do
0:31:13 justice to
0:31:13 Tolkien’s
0:31:14 writing was
0:31:15 really important
0:31:15 to us
0:31:16 to meet
0:31:17 Peter Jackson’s
0:31:18 vision was
0:31:19 really important
0:31:21 and to make
0:31:21 sure that we
0:31:22 had really
0:31:23 good fun
0:31:23 that didn’t
0:31:24 mean that it
0:31:25 wasn’t
0:31:25 brutally
0:31:26 challenging
0:31:27 it was
0:31:27 but at no
0:31:28 point in the
0:31:29 seven and a
0:31:30 half years
0:31:31 did I
0:31:31 ever
0:31:32 think that
0:31:33 I didn’t
0:31:33 want to be
0:31:34 doing it
0:31:35 that was
0:31:35 really
0:31:37 a special
0:31:38 part of
0:31:39 that experience
0:31:41 work is
0:31:41 more fun
0:31:42 than fun
0:31:43 what are
0:31:43 the other
0:31:44 tenets you
0:31:44 mentioned for
0:31:45 love of
0:31:46 oneself
0:31:47 love of
0:31:48 what you
0:31:49 do love
0:31:49 of who
0:31:49 you do
0:31:50 it with
0:31:50 and love
0:31:51 of who
0:31:51 you do
0:31:51 it for
0:31:53 that is
0:31:53 as a
0:31:53 father
0:31:54 of a
0:31:55 family
0:31:55 well as
0:31:56 a husband
0:31:57 or
0:31:57 partner
0:31:58 to a
0:31:58 loved
0:31:58 one
0:32:00 a father
0:32:00 or mother
0:32:01 to a
0:32:01 family
0:32:02 a president
0:32:03 of a
0:32:03 country
0:32:04 a CEO
0:32:05 of a
0:32:05 business
0:32:06 if you
0:32:07 can’t find
0:32:08 those four
0:32:09 tenets
0:32:09 obviously the
0:32:10 first one
0:32:10 love of
0:32:11 yourself
0:32:11 love of
0:32:12 what you
0:32:12 do
0:32:12 you’ve
0:32:13 got to
0:32:13 love
0:32:14 being a
0:32:14 parent
0:32:14 you’ve
0:32:15 got to
0:32:15 love
0:32:15 being
0:32:16 a
0:32:16 lover
0:32:17 a
0:32:17 husband
0:32:18 a
0:32:18 wife
0:32:18 a
0:32:19 partner
0:32:20 you
0:32:20 have
0:32:21 to
0:32:21 love
0:32:22 the
0:32:22 people
0:32:22 that
0:32:22 you
0:32:22 do
0:32:23 it
0:32:23 for
0:32:23 it
0:32:24 is
0:32:24 so
0:32:25 easy
0:32:25 to become
0:32:26 cynical
0:32:27 about
0:32:27 your
0:32:28 audience
0:32:28 or
0:32:28 your
0:32:29 fans
0:32:29 or
0:32:30 your
0:32:30 family
0:32:31 or
0:32:32 the
0:32:32 person
0:32:33 working
0:32:34 above
0:32:34 you
0:32:34 right
0:32:35 but
0:32:35 that’s
0:32:36 who
0:32:36 you’re
0:32:36 trying
0:32:37 to
0:32:37 capture
0:32:38 up
0:32:38 in
0:32:38 your
0:32:38 passion
0:32:39 for
0:32:39 what
0:32:39 you
0:32:39 do
0:32:40 and
0:32:40 you
0:32:40 know
0:32:40 the
0:32:41 other
0:32:41 one’s
0:32:41 very
0:32:42 obvious
0:32:42 so
0:32:42 that’s
0:32:43 how
0:32:43 I
0:32:43 think
0:32:43 of
0:32:43 things
0:32:44 very
0:32:44 simply
0:32:44 and
0:32:45 that’s
0:32:45 after
0:32:46 30
0:32:47 plus
0:32:47 years
0:32:47 of
0:32:48 working
0:32:48 it
0:32:49 started
0:32:49 to
0:32:49 congeal
0:32:50 that
0:32:50 that’s
0:32:51 thinking
0:32:51 about
0:32:51 all
0:32:52 these
0:32:52 things
0:32:52 that you
0:32:53 might
0:32:53 think
0:32:53 about
0:32:54 that’s
0:32:54 the
0:32:55 things
0:32:55 that
0:32:55 drive
0:32:55 you
0:32:56 forward
0:32:56 I
0:32:56 think
0:32:56 I’ve
0:32:57 settled
0:32:57 on
0:32:57 those
0:32:58 four
0:32:58 simple
0:32:59 and
0:32:59 try
0:32:59 not
0:32:59 to
0:33:00 be
0:33:00 a
0:33:00 dickhead
0:33:01 is
0:33:02 maybe
0:33:02 the
0:33:02 fifth
0:33:03 there
0:33:05 are
0:33:06 thousands
0:33:06 of
0:33:06 self
0:33:07 help
0:33:07 books
0:33:07 I’ve
0:33:07 actually
0:33:08 only
0:33:08 read
0:33:08 one
0:33:08 of
0:33:09 them
0:33:09 I
0:33:09 can’t
0:33:10 remember
0:33:10 the
0:33:10 title
0:33:11 even
0:33:12 someone
0:33:13 said
0:33:13 to
0:33:13 me
0:33:14 once
0:33:14 you
0:33:14 only
0:33:15 need
0:33:15 one
0:33:16 page
0:33:16 a
0:33:16 one
0:33:17 page
0:33:17 book
0:33:18 on
0:33:19 self
0:33:19 help
0:33:20 and
0:33:20 it’s
0:33:20 simply
0:33:22 and
0:33:22 there’s
0:33:22 only
0:33:22 one
0:33:23 line
0:33:23 and
0:33:23 it
0:33:23 just
0:33:24 says
0:33:24 just
0:33:24 don’t
0:33:24 be
0:33:24 a
0:33:25 dickhead
0:33:26 right
0:33:26 and
0:33:26 if
0:33:26 you
0:33:27 put
0:33:27 that
0:33:27 against
0:33:28 almost
0:33:28 anything
0:33:29 in
0:33:29 life
0:33:30 it’s
0:33:30 actually
0:33:30 correct
0:33:31 if
0:33:31 we
0:33:32 understand
0:33:32 collectively
0:33:33 what
0:33:34 being a
0:33:34 dickhead
0:33:34 means
0:33:36 and
0:33:36 no
0:33:37 doubt
0:33:37 I
0:33:38 fall
0:33:38 foul
0:33:38 of
0:33:38 that
0:33:39 and
0:33:40 invariably
0:33:40 am
0:33:41 sometimes
0:33:42 you know
0:33:42 we all
0:33:42 are
0:33:43 we can’t
0:33:43 it’s
0:33:44 very hard
0:33:44 to not
0:33:44 be
0:33:45 but you
0:33:45 try
0:33:46 really
0:33:46 hard
0:33:47 not
0:33:47 to
0:33:47 be
0:33:48 hey
0:33:48 Greg
0:33:48 yeah
0:33:49 yeah
0:33:49 trying
0:33:50 always
0:33:53 have I
0:33:53 answered
0:33:53 your
0:33:54 question
0:33:54 well
0:33:54 enough
0:33:54 I’ve
0:33:55 sort
0:33:55 of
0:33:55 been
0:33:55 a
0:33:55 bit
0:33:56 fringed
0:33:56 around
0:33:56 the
0:33:57 outsides
0:33:57 of it
0:33:57 no
0:33:58 you
0:33:58 did
0:33:59 I’ll
0:33:59 have
0:33:59 probably
0:34:00 just
0:34:00 one
0:34:00 or
0:34:00 two
0:34:00 follow
0:34:01 ups
0:34:01 related
0:34:01 to
0:34:01 that
0:34:02 but
0:34:02 before
0:34:02 I
0:34:02 get
0:34:02 to
0:34:03 that
0:34:03 you
0:34:03 mentioned
0:34:03 the
0:34:04 can
0:34:04 do
0:34:04 attitude
0:34:05 of
0:34:05 a
0:34:06 fairly
0:34:06 remote
0:34:06 country
0:34:07 right
0:34:07 and
0:34:07 the
0:34:08 resourcefulness
0:34:09 that
0:34:10 engenders
0:34:11 and
0:34:11 and
0:34:11 and
0:34:11 I’m
0:34:11 wondering
0:34:12 if
0:34:12 there
0:34:12 are
0:34:12 any
0:34:12 other
0:34:13 advantages
0:34:14 that
0:34:14 you
0:34:14 can
0:34:15 think
0:34:15 of
0:34:16 of
0:34:16 doing
0:34:17 this
0:34:17 whether
0:34:17 it’s
0:34:18 the
0:34:18 workshop
0:34:18 or
0:34:19 lord
0:34:19 of
0:34:19 the
0:34:19 rings
0:34:19 or
0:34:19 the
0:34:20 combination
0:34:20 of
0:34:20 the
0:34:20 two
0:34:21 in
0:34:22 New
0:34:22 Zealand
0:34:23 are
0:34:23 there
0:34:23 advantages
0:34:24 that
0:34:24 you
0:34:24 can
0:34:24 think
0:34:24 of
0:34:25 Tim
0:34:26 when
0:34:26 I’m
0:34:26 talking
0:34:27 I’m
0:34:27 talking
0:34:27 about
0:34:28 where
0:34:28 to
0:34:28 workshop
0:34:29 we
0:34:29 were
0:34:29 a
0:34:30 small
0:34:32 component
0:34:32 of
0:34:32 the
0:34:33 overarching
0:34:34 endeavour
0:34:35 of
0:34:35 making
0:34:35 lord
0:34:35 of
0:34:36 the
0:34:36 rings
0:34:36 right
0:34:37 we’re
0:34:37 very
0:34:37 proud
0:34:37 of
0:34:37 the
0:34:38 piece
0:34:38 we
0:34:38 played
0:34:38 and
0:34:39 we
0:34:39 did
0:34:39 a
0:34:39 lot
0:34:39 on
0:34:40 it
0:34:40 but
0:34:40 the
0:34:41 art
0:34:41 department
0:34:41 the
0:34:42 costuming
0:34:42 department
0:34:42 the
0:34:43 props
0:34:43 department
0:34:43 the
0:34:43 camera
0:34:44 department
0:34:44 the
0:34:44 grips
0:34:45 department
0:34:45 the
0:34:46 directing
0:34:46 department
0:34:47 etc
0:34:47 etc
0:34:48 the
0:34:48 miniatures
0:34:49 there
0:34:49 was
0:34:50 phenomenal
0:34:50 number
0:34:50 of
0:34:51 people
0:34:52 all
0:34:53 focused
0:34:53 on
0:34:53 the
0:34:53 same
0:34:54 mission
0:34:54 and
0:34:55 I’ve
0:34:55 actually
0:34:55 said
0:34:56 in the
0:34:56 past
0:34:56 Lord
0:34:56 of
0:34:57 the
0:34:57 Rings
0:34:57 wasn’t
0:34:57 made
0:34:58 by
0:34:58 a
0:34:59 director
0:34:59 it
0:35:00 wasn’t
0:35:00 made
0:35:00 by
0:35:00 a
0:35:01 film
0:35:01 studio
0:35:01 it
0:35:02 wasn’t
0:35:02 made
0:35:02 by
0:35:02 a
0:35:02 film
0:35:03 crew
0:35:03 it
0:35:03 was
0:35:03 made
0:35:03 by
0:35:04 a
0:35:04 nation
0:35:04 of
0:35:05 people
0:35:05 coming
0:35:06 together
0:35:06 in
0:35:06 that
0:35:07 moment
0:35:08 to
0:35:09 try
0:35:09 and
0:35:10 make
0:35:10 Lord
0:35:10 of
0:35:10 the
0:35:10 Rings
0:35:11 in
0:35:11 New
0:35:12 Zealand
0:35:12 for
0:35:12 the
0:35:12 world
0:35:13 that
0:35:13 speaks
0:35:13 to
0:35:14 the
0:35:15 phenomenal
0:35:15 number
0:35:16 of
0:35:16 people
0:35:16 that
0:35:17 Peter
0:35:17 and
0:35:17 his
0:35:18 producer
0:35:19 drew
0:35:19 into
0:35:19 the
0:35:20 collaboration
0:35:20 of
0:35:21 making
0:35:21 Lord
0:35:21 of
0:35:21 the
0:35:21 Rings
0:35:22 I mean
0:35:22 the
0:35:23 government
0:35:23 the
0:35:24 military
0:35:26 our
0:35:26 tourism
0:35:27 department
0:35:28 I think
0:35:29 everyone
0:35:29 felt
0:35:30 you would
0:35:30 have to
0:35:31 have been
0:35:31 pretty
0:35:32 cynical
0:35:32 at the
0:35:32 time
0:35:33 to
0:35:33 have
0:35:33 not
0:35:34 felt
0:35:34 a
0:35:34 certain
0:35:35 level
0:35:35 of
0:35:35 pride
0:35:36 in
0:35:36 what
0:35:36 Peter
0:35:36 was
0:35:37 trying
0:35:37 to
0:35:37 do
0:35:37 in
0:35:37 our
0:35:38 country
0:35:39 and
0:35:39 get
0:35:39 behind
0:35:40 it
0:35:40 and
0:35:40 a
0:35:40 lot
0:35:40 of
0:35:41 people
0:35:41 benefited
0:35:42 because
0:35:42 of
0:35:42 it
0:35:43 the
0:35:45 driving
0:35:45 desire
0:35:46 to
0:35:47 that
0:35:47 term
0:35:48 punch
0:35:48 above
0:35:48 your
0:35:48 weight
0:35:49 I don’t
0:35:49 specifically
0:35:50 like
0:35:50 that
0:35:50 term
0:35:50 but
0:35:51 that’s
0:35:51 a
0:35:51 well
0:35:52 used
0:35:52 one
0:35:52 that
0:35:53 speaks
0:35:53 to
0:35:53 it
0:35:53 New
0:35:54 Zealanders
0:35:54 do
0:35:55 have
0:35:55 a
0:35:56 burning
0:35:57 desire
0:35:57 to
0:35:57 try
0:35:58 and
0:35:59 achieve
0:35:59 great
0:36:00 things
0:36:00 regardless
0:36:01 of
0:36:01 where
0:36:01 we
0:36:02 may
0:36:03 come
0:36:03 from
0:36:04 and
0:36:04 the
0:36:04 scale
0:36:04 of
0:36:05 our
0:36:05 country
0:36:06 that
0:36:06 should
0:36:06 not
0:36:07 restrict
0:36:07 you
0:36:07 at
0:36:08 all
0:36:08 and
0:36:08 you
0:36:08 only
0:36:09 need
0:36:09 to
0:36:09 look
0:36:09 at
0:36:09 our
0:36:10 sports
0:36:10 teams
0:36:11 see
0:36:11 that
0:36:12 whether
0:36:12 it’s
0:36:12 our
0:36:13 national
0:36:13 ballet
0:36:14 orchestra
0:36:15 contemporary
0:36:16 dance
0:36:16 poets
0:36:17 writers
0:36:18 painters
0:36:19 artists
0:36:19 in
0:36:20 general
0:36:20 never
0:36:21 mind
0:36:21 the
0:36:21 film
0:36:22 industry
0:36:22 or the
0:36:22 creative
0:36:23 industries
0:36:24 we
0:36:24 we
0:36:24 have
0:36:25 technology
0:36:26 companies
0:36:26 in
0:36:26 New
0:36:26 Zealand
0:36:27 that
0:36:27 are
0:36:27 competing
0:36:28 with
0:36:28 the
0:36:28 best
0:36:28 in
0:36:29 the
0:36:29 world
0:36:30 rocket
0:36:30 lab
0:36:30 comes
0:36:31 to
0:36:31 mind
0:36:32 that
0:36:32 are
0:36:32 doing
0:36:33 astounding
0:36:34 things
0:36:34 on
0:36:35 a
0:36:35 fraction
0:36:35 of
0:36:35 the
0:36:36 budget
0:36:36 you know
0:36:36 the
0:36:37 robots
0:36:37 that
0:36:37 we’re
0:36:38 building
0:36:38 in
0:36:38 our
0:36:39 workshop
0:36:39 right
0:36:39 now
0:36:40 probably
0:36:40 at
0:36:41 a
0:36:42 500th
0:36:42 to
0:36:42 a
0:36:43 thousandth
0:36:43 of
0:36:44 the
0:36:44 investment
0:36:45 cost
0:36:45 of
0:36:45 some
0:36:45 of
0:36:45 the
0:36:46 robots
0:36:46 that
0:36:46 we’re
0:36:47 seeing
0:36:47 online
0:36:48 but
0:36:48 we’re
0:36:48 pulling
0:36:49 it
0:36:49 off
0:36:49 we’re
0:36:49 getting
0:36:50 there
0:36:50 slowly
0:36:50 but
0:36:51 getting
0:36:51 there
0:36:51 with
0:36:52 five
0:36:52 people
0:36:53 and
0:36:53 you know
0:36:53 the
0:36:54 money
0:36:54 that
0:36:54 we
0:36:54 can
0:36:55 save
0:36:55 from
0:36:56 projects
0:36:56 we’re
0:36:56 doing
0:36:57 it’s
0:36:57 that
0:36:58 attitude
0:36:58 I
0:36:59 think
0:36:59 that
0:37:00 plays
0:37:00 a
0:37:00 big
0:37:00 part
0:37:00 of
0:37:01 it
0:37:01 Peter
0:37:02 Jackson
0:37:02 mustn’t
0:37:03 be
0:37:03 missed
0:37:03 in
0:37:04 this
0:37:04 equation
0:37:05 to
0:37:05 his
0:37:06 self
0:37:06 belief
0:37:07 and
0:37:07 his
0:37:08 just
0:37:08 sheer
0:37:10 drive
0:37:10 I’ve
0:37:11 never
0:37:11 ever
0:37:12 seen
0:37:12 Peter
0:37:13 quiver
0:37:14 in
0:37:15 uncertainty
0:37:16 to
0:37:17 fluctuate
0:37:17 in a
0:37:18 sense
0:37:18 of
0:37:18 uncertainty
0:37:19 that
0:37:19 he
0:37:19 isn’t
0:37:20 sure
0:37:20 of
0:37:20 what
0:37:20 he’s
0:37:21 doing
0:37:21 that
0:37:21 is
0:37:22 an
0:37:22 amazing
0:37:23 thing
0:37:23 to
0:37:24 work
0:37:24 around
0:37:25 because
0:37:25 if
0:37:25 your
0:37:26 leader
0:37:26 is
0:37:27 confident
0:37:27 then
0:37:28 you know
0:37:29 and there’s
0:37:29 a lovely
0:37:30 quote
0:37:30 the
0:37:31 emperor
0:37:32 will not
0:37:32 remember
0:37:33 you
0:37:33 for
0:37:33 your
0:37:34 medals
0:37:34 or
0:37:34 your
0:37:35 diplomas
0:37:35 he
0:37:35 will
0:37:36 only
0:37:36 remember
0:37:36 you
0:37:37 for
0:37:37 your
0:37:37 scars
0:37:38 and
0:37:39 I
0:37:39 think
0:37:40 there
0:37:40 is
0:37:41 a
0:37:42 mentality
0:37:42 of
0:37:42 that
0:37:42 very
0:37:43 much
0:37:43 in
0:37:43 our
0:37:44 country
0:37:44 you
0:37:44 just
0:37:45 gotta
0:37:45 knuckle
0:37:46 down
0:37:46 and
0:37:46 do
0:37:46 it
0:37:47 right
0:37:47 grit
0:37:48 is
0:37:48 a
0:37:49 important
0:37:49 component
0:37:50 in
0:37:51 the
0:37:51 journey
0:37:52 not
0:37:52 the
0:37:53 accolades
0:37:53 at
0:37:53 the
0:37:53 end
0:37:54 it’s
0:37:54 the
0:37:55 task
0:37:55 of
0:37:55 getting
0:37:55 there
0:37:56 that
0:37:56 is
0:37:57 seen
0:37:57 as
0:37:57 equal
0:37:58 in
0:37:58 accomplishment
0:37:59 as
0:37:59 winning
0:38:00 baubles
0:38:05 and
0:38:05 now
0:38:05 here
0:38:05 are
0:38:06 the
0:38:06 bios
0:38:06 for
0:38:06 all
0:38:06 the
0:38:07 guests
0:38:08 my
0:38:08 guest
0:38:09 today
0:38:09 is
0:38:09 a
0:38:10 dear
0:38:10 friend
0:38:10 I’ve
0:38:10 wanted
0:38:11 to
0:38:11 have
0:38:11 him
0:38:11 on
0:38:11 the
0:38:11 podcast
0:38:12 for
0:38:12 a
0:38:12 very
0:38:12 long
0:38:12 time
0:38:13 Craig
0:38:14 Maud
0:38:14 Craig
0:38:15 Maud
0:38:15 M-O-D
0:38:16 he is
0:38:17 a
0:38:17 writer
0:38:17 photographer
0:38:18 and
0:38:18 walker
0:38:19 we’ll
0:38:19 talk
0:38:19 about
0:38:19 that
0:38:20 a
0:38:20 lot
0:38:20 living
0:38:20 in
0:38:21 Tokyo
0:38:21 and
0:38:22 Kamakura
0:38:22 Japan
0:38:23 he
0:38:23 is
0:38:23 the
0:38:23 author
0:38:23 of
0:38:24 Things
0:38:24 Become
0:38:25 Other
0:38:25 Things
0:38:26 and
0:38:26 Kissa
0:38:26 by
0:38:27 Kissa
0:38:28 K-I-S-S-A
0:38:29 don’t worry
0:38:29 about it
0:38:29 we’ll get
0:38:30 to it
0:38:30 he also
0:38:31 writes the
0:38:31 newsletters
0:38:32 Roden
0:38:33 and Ridgeline
0:38:33 and has
0:38:33 contributed
0:38:34 to the
0:38:34 New York
0:38:34 Times
0:38:35 the
0:38:35 Atlantic
0:38:36 Wired
0:38:36 and
0:38:36 more
0:38:37 he has
0:38:37 walked
0:38:38 thousands
0:38:38 of
0:38:39 miles
0:38:39 across
0:38:39 Japan
0:38:40 in
0:38:40 every
0:38:41 conceivable
0:38:41 place
0:38:42 and
0:38:42 since
0:38:43 2016
0:38:44 he has
0:38:44 been
0:38:44 co-running
0:38:45 walk and
0:38:46 talks
0:38:46 with
0:38:46 Kevin
0:38:47 Kelly
0:38:48 perhaps
0:38:48 the
0:38:48 most
0:38:49 interesting
0:38:49 man
0:38:49 in
0:38:49 the
0:38:49 world
0:38:50 in
0:38:50 various
0:38:51 places
0:38:51 around
0:38:51 the
0:38:52 world
0:38:52 the
0:38:53 Cotswolds
0:38:53 Northern
0:38:54 Thailand
0:38:55 Bali
0:38:56 Southern
0:38:56 China
0:38:57 Japan
0:38:58 Spain
0:38:58 which
0:38:59 includes
0:38:59 the
0:38:59 Portuguese
0:39:00 and
0:39:00 French
0:39:00 Caminos
0:39:01 and
0:39:01 much
0:39:02 more
0:39:02 today’s
0:39:03 episode
0:39:03 is
0:39:04 wide
0:39:04 ranging
0:39:05 and
0:39:05 I
0:39:05 had
0:39:05 so
0:39:05 much
0:39:06 fun
0:39:06 with
0:39:06 this
0:39:06 we
0:39:06 ended
0:39:07 up
0:39:07 discussing
0:39:07 Craig’s
0:39:08 early
0:39:08 life
0:39:09 his
0:39:09 path
0:39:09 to
0:39:10 Japan
0:39:10 his
0:39:11 struggles
0:39:11 with
0:39:12 self-worth
0:39:12 and
0:39:13 alcoholism
0:39:13 and how
0:39:14 he
0:39:14 overcame
0:39:15 both
0:39:15 of them
0:39:16 creative
0:39:16 development
0:39:17 his
0:39:18 writing
0:39:18 experiments
0:39:19 his
0:39:19 initial
0:39:20 experiences
0:39:20 with
0:39:20 walking
0:39:21 and
0:39:21 writing
0:39:21 and
0:39:21 so
0:39:22 much
0:39:22 more
0:39:22 I
0:39:23 really
0:39:23 think
0:39:23 you
0:39:23 will
0:39:23 get
0:39:24 a lot
0:39:24 out
0:39:24 of
0:39:24 this
0:39:25 conversation
0:39:25 as I
0:39:25 did
0:39:25 I
0:39:26 took
0:39:26 copious
0:39:26 notes
0:39:27 and I
0:39:28 also
0:39:28 decided
0:39:29 to keep
0:39:29 some
0:39:29 of the
0:39:29 behind
0:39:30 the
0:39:30 scenes
0:39:30 banter
0:39:31 before
0:39:31 the
0:39:31 interview
0:39:32 in
0:39:32 the
0:39:33 recording
0:39:33 that
0:39:33 you’re
0:39:33 going
0:39:33 to
0:39:33 hear
0:39:34 which
0:39:34 I
0:39:34 thought
0:39:34 might
0:39:35 be
0:39:35 fun
0:39:36 for
0:39:37 shits
0:39:37 and giggles
0:39:37 just
0:39:38 for the
0:39:38 fun
0:39:38 of it
0:39:38 why
0:39:38 not
0:39:39 you
0:39:39 can
0:39:39 find
0:39:39 Craig
0:39:40 mod
0:39:40 at
0:39:42 craigmod.com
0:39:42 that’s
0:39:42 the
0:39:43 hq
0:39:43 for
0:39:44 everything
0:39:44 craigmod
0:39:46 c-r-a-i-g-m-o-d
0:39:47 dot com
0:39:47 you can
0:39:47 find him
0:39:47 on
0:39:48 instagram
0:39:48 at
0:39:49 craigmod
0:39:49 and
0:39:50 on
0:39:50 blue sky
0:39:51 as well
0:39:52 craigmod.com
0:39:56 today my
0:39:57 guest is
0:39:58 ev
0:39:58 williams
0:39:59 and what
0:39:59 a story
0:40:00 he has
0:40:00 ev
0:40:01 is the
0:40:01 co-founder
0:40:02 and chairman
0:40:02 of
0:40:02 mosey
0:40:03 a new
0:40:03 social
0:40:04 network
0:40:04 that helps
0:40:04 you connect
0:40:05 in person
0:40:06 with the
0:40:06 people you
0:40:07 care
0:40:07 about
0:40:08 most
0:40:08 over the
0:40:09 past 25
0:40:09 years
0:40:10 ev
0:40:11 co-founded
0:40:11 several
0:40:11 companies
0:40:12 that have
0:40:12 helped
0:40:12 shape
0:40:13 the
0:40:13 modern
0:40:13 internet
0:40:14 including
0:40:15 blogger
0:40:15 medium
0:40:16 and
0:40:16 twitter
0:40:16 ev
0:40:17 is also
0:40:17 the
0:40:17 co-founder
0:40:17 of
0:40:18 obvious
0:40:18 ventures
0:40:19 an
0:40:19 investment
0:40:19 firm
0:40:19 that
0:40:20 focuses
0:40:20 on
0:40:20 world
0:40:21 positive
0:40:21 companies
0:40:22 addressing
0:40:23 major
0:40:23 systemic
0:40:24 problems
0:40:24 ev
0:40:25 grew up
0:40:25 on a
0:40:25 farm
0:40:25 in
0:40:26 clarkes
0:40:26 nebraska
0:40:26 has
0:40:26 has
0:40:27 two
0:40:27 sons
0:40:27 and
0:40:27 lives
0:40:28 mostly
0:40:28 in
0:40:28 the
0:40:28 bay
0:40:29 area
0:40:29 this
0:40:30 particular
0:40:30 episode
0:40:31 this
0:40:31 conversation
0:40:32 was recorded
0:40:32 live
0:40:33 in
0:40:33 austin
0:40:34 texas
0:40:35 at
0:40:35 the
0:40:36 dignation
0:40:37 relaunch
0:40:38 that’s
0:40:38 dignation
0:40:39 dot show
0:40:40 for the
0:40:40 show
0:40:40 itself
0:40:41 and
0:40:41 that is
0:40:41 where
0:40:42 dig.com
0:40:43 was
0:40:43 relaunched
0:40:44 it was
0:40:44 recently
0:40:45 acquired
0:40:45 by its
0:40:46 original
0:40:46 founder
0:40:46 my good
0:40:46 friend
0:40:47 kevin
0:40:47 rose
0:40:48 and
0:40:48 reddit
0:40:49 co-founder
0:40:49 alexis
0:40:50 ohanian
0:40:50 formerly
0:40:51 arch
0:40:51 nemeses
0:40:52 but they
0:40:52 have
0:40:53 joined
0:40:53 forces
0:40:54 and
0:40:54 invited
0:40:54 me
0:40:54 along
0:40:55 for
0:40:55 all
0:40:55 the
0:40:55 fun
0:40:55 and
0:40:56 surprises
0:40:56 as
0:40:57 they
0:40:57 celebrated
0:40:58 the
0:40:58 relaunch
0:40:59 go to
0:40:59 dig.com
0:41:00 and sign
0:41:00 up to get
0:41:01 early access
0:41:01 when the
0:41:02 invites
0:41:02 go out
0:41:03 one more
0:41:03 time
0:41:04 dig.com
0:41:04 that’s
0:41:06 dig.com
0:41:06 you can
0:41:07 find
0:41:07 mosey
0:41:08 that is
0:41:09 ev’s
0:41:10 newest
0:41:10 creation
0:41:10 at
0:41:11 mosey.app
0:41:12 that’s
0:41:12 available on
0:41:13 ios right
0:41:13 now
0:41:14 you can
0:41:14 find
0:41:14 obvious
0:41:15 ventures
0:41:15 at
0:41:16 obvious.com
0:41:16 and you
0:41:17 can find
0:41:17 him
0:41:17 on
0:41:18 twitter
0:41:19 that is
0:41:20 also known
0:41:20 as
0:41:20 x
0:41:21 at
0:41:21 ev
0:41:22 at
0:41:22 e
0:41:27 today
0:41:28 i am
0:41:28 interviewing
0:41:29 two people
0:41:29 i would
0:41:30 consider
0:41:31 decathletes
0:41:31 of
0:41:32 creativity
0:41:33 the first
0:41:33 is
0:41:34 richard
0:41:34 taylor
0:41:35 he is
0:41:35 co-founder
0:41:35 and
0:41:36 creative
0:41:36 lead
0:41:36 at
0:41:37 weta
0:41:37 workshop
0:41:38 which
0:41:38 he runs
0:41:38 with his
0:41:39 wife
0:41:39 and
0:41:39 co-founder
0:41:40 tanya
0:41:40 roger
0:41:41 weta
0:41:41 workshop
0:41:41 is a
0:41:42 concept
0:41:42 design
0:41:43 studio
0:41:43 and
0:41:44 manufacturing
0:41:44 facility
0:41:44 that
0:41:45 services
0:41:45 the
0:41:45 world’s
0:41:46 creative
0:41:46 and
0:41:46 entertainment
0:41:47 industries
0:41:47 and
0:41:47 what
0:41:47 you’ll
0:41:48 see
0:41:48 is
0:41:48 just
0:41:48 how
0:41:49 much
0:41:49 they
0:41:49 do
0:41:50 believe
0:41:50 it
0:41:50 or
0:41:50 not
0:41:50 it’s
0:41:51 started
0:41:51 by
0:41:51 them
0:41:52 assembling
0:41:52 things
0:41:52 and
0:41:52 making
0:41:53 things
0:41:54 on top
0:41:54 of
0:41:54 their
0:41:55 bed
0:41:55 we’ll
0:41:55 get
0:41:55 to
0:41:56 that
0:41:56 they’ve
0:41:56 been
0:41:57 recognized
0:41:57 with
0:41:57 five
0:41:58 academy
0:41:58 awards
0:41:59 four
0:41:59 bafta
0:41:59 awards
0:42:00 three
0:42:00 theo
0:42:01 awards
0:42:01 and more
0:42:02 than 30
0:42:02 other national
0:42:03 and international
0:42:04 accolades
0:42:05 their practical
0:42:05 and special
0:42:06 effects
0:42:06 have helped
0:42:07 define the
0:42:07 visual
0:42:07 identities
0:42:08 of some
0:42:08 of the
0:42:09 most
0:42:09 recognizable
0:42:10 franchises
0:42:10 in film
0:42:11 and television
0:42:12 you will
0:42:12 you will
0:42:12 know
0:42:12 some
0:42:12 of
0:42:13 them
0:42:13 including
0:42:13 the
0:42:14 lord
0:42:14 of
0:42:14 the
0:42:14 rings
0:42:14 planet
0:42:15 of
0:42:15 the
0:42:15 apes
0:42:16 superman
0:42:16 mad max
0:42:17 thor
0:42:17 megan
0:42:18 and love
0:42:19 death
0:42:19 and
0:42:19 robots
0:42:20 if you
0:42:20 haven’t
0:42:20 seen
0:42:20 love
0:42:20 death
0:42:21 and
0:42:21 robots
0:42:21 check
0:42:21 it
0:42:21 out
0:42:22 there
0:42:22 are
0:42:22 some
0:42:23 amazing
0:42:23 amazing
0:42:24 shorts
0:42:25 in addition
0:42:25 to that
0:42:25 they do
0:42:26 a few
0:42:26 other
0:42:26 things
0:42:27 get ready
0:42:27 for
0:42:27 this
0:42:27 what a
0:42:28 workshop
0:42:28 offers
0:42:29 tourism
0:42:29 and retail
0:42:30 experiences
0:42:30 consumer
0:42:31 products
0:42:31 and interactive
0:42:32 studio
0:42:32 public
0:42:33 sculptures
0:42:34 and private
0:42:34 commissions
0:42:35 they’ve also
0:42:35 done
0:42:35 augmented
0:42:36 reality
0:42:37 and
0:42:37 video
0:42:38 games
0:42:38 and all
0:42:38 sorts
0:42:38 of
0:42:38 things
0:42:39 richard
0:42:39 now
0:42:39 focuses
0:42:40 much
0:42:40 of
0:42:40 his
0:42:40 time
0:42:40 on
0:42:41 their
0:42:41 immersive
0:42:42 experiences
0:42:43 which I’ve
0:42:44 had the chance
0:42:44 to experience
0:42:45 first hand
0:42:45 I recommend
0:42:45 them
0:42:46 very highly
0:42:47 such as
0:42:47 the
0:42:48 Thea
0:42:48 award-winning
0:42:49 Gallipoli
0:42:50 the scale
0:42:50 of our
0:42:50 war
0:42:51 Weta
0:42:51 Workshop
0:42:52 Unleashed
0:42:53 and the
0:42:53 giant
0:42:54 atrium
0:42:54 installation
0:42:55 Aura
0:42:55 Forest
0:42:56 at
0:42:56 edge
0:42:57 of the
0:42:57 sky
0:42:58 next
0:42:58 we have
0:42:59 Greg
0:43:00 Broadmoore
0:43:00 Greg
0:43:00 is an
0:43:01 artist
0:43:01 and writer
0:43:01 who has
0:43:02 been part
0:43:02 of the
0:43:02 team
0:43:03 at
0:43:03 Weta
0:43:03 Workshop
0:43:04 for more
0:43:04 than 20
0:43:04 years
0:43:05 his design
0:43:06 and special
0:43:06 effects
0:43:06 credits
0:43:07 include
0:43:07 District
0:43:07 9
0:43:08 King Kong
0:43:09 Godzilla
0:43:09 The Adventures
0:43:10 of Tintin
0:43:11 and Avatar
0:43:12 and he is
0:43:12 the creator
0:43:13 of the
0:43:13 satirical
0:43:14 retro sci-fi
0:43:14 world
0:43:15 of Dr.
0:43:16 Gordbortz
0:43:17 featuring a
0:43:18 myriad of
0:43:18 collectibles
0:43:19 a world
0:43:19 touring
0:43:20 art exhibition
0:43:21 four books
0:43:22 and a game
0:43:22 for Weta’s
0:43:23 pioneering
0:43:23 spatial
0:43:24 computing
0:43:24 platform
0:43:25 most recently
0:43:26 Greg built
0:43:26 Weta’s
0:43:27 video game
0:43:27 division
0:43:28 and directed
0:43:28 multiple
0:43:29 Dr. G
0:43:29 video games
0:43:30 for Magic
0:43:30 Leap
0:43:31 he’s currently
0:43:31 working on
0:43:32 the graphic
0:43:33 novel series
0:43:33 One Path
0:43:34 set in a
0:43:34 brutal
0:43:35 prehistoric
0:43:35 world
0:43:36 where dinosaurs
0:43:36 and cave
0:43:37 women are
0:43:37 locked in a
0:43:38 grim battle
0:43:39 for supremacy
0:43:40 so these
0:43:41 two guys
0:43:42 have their
0:43:43 hands in a
0:43:43 lot
0:43:45 they
0:43:46 apply
0:43:46 creativity
0:43:47 to more
0:43:48 things than
0:43:48 I can count
0:43:49 and they do
0:43:50 it with
0:43:50 incredible
0:43:51 endurance
0:43:51 how do they
0:43:52 do it
0:43:52 that’s what
0:43:52 we’re going
0:43:53 to explore
0:43:54 and as you
0:43:55 listen to
0:43:55 this or as
0:43:56 you watch
0:43:56 it
0:43:56 you’re going
0:43:57 to hear
0:43:57 a lot
0:43:58 of moving
0:43:58 around
0:43:59 as they
0:44:00 pull things
0:44:00 from their
0:44:01 offices
0:44:02 from their
0:44:02 workshops
0:44:03 from around
0:44:04 where they’re
0:44:04 sitting
0:44:05 so it will
0:44:07 sound quite
0:44:08 hyperactive
0:44:09 and I suppose
0:44:10 that is
0:44:11 totally appropriate
0:44:13 given the
0:44:14 nature of what
0:44:15 we’re discussing
0:44:16 so I’ll leave it
0:44:17 at that
0:44:18 you can find
0:44:19 Weta Workshop
0:44:19 at
0:44:21 WetaNZ.com
0:44:21 slash
0:44:22 US
0:44:23 that’s
0:44:25 WetaNZ.com
0:44:25 of course
0:44:26 and on
0:44:27 Instagram
0:44:27 at
0:44:28 Weta Workshop
0:44:29 you can find
0:44:30 Greg at
0:44:31 Greg Broadmoor
0:44:31 that’s
0:44:33 B-R-O-A-D-M-O-R-E
0:44:34 Greg Broadmoor
0:44:35 dot com
0:44:35 and on
0:44:36 Instagram
0:44:36 at
0:44:36 Greg
0:44:37 underscore
0:44:38 Broadmoor
0:44:40 hey guys
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0:44:40 Tim again
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