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0:01:20 We’re all looking for signs for what’s next in the economy.
0:01:22 the underwear index,
0:01:24 the lipstick indexed,
0:01:25 and the music charts.
0:01:29 Oh, recession pop is very much a real thing.
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0:01:40 Now that’s what I call recession music.
0:01:42 That’s this week on Explain It To Me.
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0:01:54 Welcome to Raging Moderates.
0:01:55 I’m Scott Galloway.
0:01:56 And I’m Jessica Tarlov.
0:01:59 Jess, it’s banter time.
0:02:01 I’ve been waiting for banter time
0:02:03 because I need you to tell me
0:02:06 about the rumble in Detroit.
0:02:07 Oh, yeah.
0:02:09 So I’ve had a great week.
0:02:10 I went to the French Open,
0:02:12 which I found lovely,
0:02:12 which was lovely.
0:02:13 Yeah.
0:02:15 And then I got on a plane from Miami,
0:02:16 did a speaking gig down there.
0:02:17 Unfortunately, it was raining.
0:02:20 Miami loses 110% of its charm
0:02:21 when it’s raining.
0:02:22 110% is generous.
0:02:24 I think it’s more like 200%.
0:02:24 Yeah.
0:02:25 There you go.
0:02:27 And then I got on a plane from New York,
0:02:28 a couple of days in New York.
0:02:30 Daddy hit the members clubs,
0:02:31 went deep in the paint,
0:02:32 a little alcohol,
0:02:35 a little mushroom chocolates.
0:02:36 That’s my next thing,
0:02:37 mushroom chocolates.
0:02:39 It’s like the tequila of psychedelics.
0:02:40 It takes you up.
0:02:42 Had never done those before
0:02:44 and enjoyed them more than I thought.
0:02:48 And then I went to Detroit for Summit,
0:02:50 which is this big gathering.
0:02:51 They call it Learning Man.
0:02:52 It’s talks during the day.
0:02:54 And then everyone does
0:02:55 much more serious hallucinogenics
0:02:57 and listens to DJs
0:02:59 and talks about vertical farming.
0:03:01 And as far as I can tell,
0:03:02 it’s a bunch of rich kids
0:03:03 whose parents are putting them
0:03:05 through focusing on their sleep.
0:03:06 Or, you know, I mean…
0:03:06 This is,
0:03:07 didn’t they fly you
0:03:09 and some friends somewhere before
0:03:11 because they didn’t have money
0:03:12 to pay you?
0:03:12 So you were like,
0:03:14 let’s just all go on vacation.
0:03:14 Yeah.
0:03:16 South America or something.
0:03:17 First of all,
0:03:17 I’m being cynical.
0:03:18 I love the community.
0:03:20 I think they do a great job.
0:03:21 I think it’s interesting people.
0:03:24 And my speaking fee is fairly crazy.
0:03:25 I’ve noticed.
0:03:26 Not, I mean,
0:03:28 not that I’m trying to pay you, but…
0:03:30 But instead of charging them a speaking fee,
0:03:30 I say,
0:03:32 let me bring my team and friends.
0:03:36 Because I think it costs like five or ten grand
0:03:37 to go listen to DJs
0:03:39 and hear me talk about income inequality.
0:03:42 And so I went to that
0:03:44 and my friend Pablo Doritos,
0:03:46 who runs culture and programming
0:03:47 at the Faena,
0:03:48 my favorite hotel in Miami,
0:03:51 he does this thing called the Rumble
0:03:53 where they have two people.
0:03:55 The metaphor is a boxing match.
0:03:56 You come out in a ring.
0:03:58 The best part is the entrance.
0:04:01 My opponent was Shermichael Singleton.
0:04:02 Super impressive young man.
0:04:04 All downside for me.
0:04:05 34-year-old black Republican.
0:04:07 Like, I lost before I got in the ring.
0:04:09 No, I saw your abs.
0:04:11 And I’m not trying to get an HR violation,
0:04:13 but you are looking fabulous.
0:04:15 I appreciate that.
0:04:16 And you’re welcome to harass me
0:04:17 at any time, any point.
0:04:18 I see it as a feature,
0:04:20 not a bug, of the workplace,
0:04:22 as long as it’s coming this way.
0:04:22 Anyways,
0:04:25 I’m going to hear from people on that.
0:04:28 So Shermichael did a drum line,
0:04:29 which was fantastic,
0:04:30 but I one-upped them.
0:04:32 I came out with five drag queens.
0:04:34 And I mean, these ladies were outstanding.
0:04:35 They were fabulous.
0:04:38 And then audience has a question.
0:04:39 You answer.
0:04:40 Your opponent answers.
0:04:42 And at the end of like eight rounds,
0:04:44 they decide who wins.
0:04:46 And you get a big belt if you win.
0:04:47 It was really cool.
0:04:48 I really enjoyed it.
0:04:51 So yeah, that’s my midlife crisis tour.
0:04:53 And I knew I was going to have to take my shirt off.
0:04:55 I decided to take my shirt off.
0:04:57 So additional doses of testosterone,
0:04:59 and I’ve been doing free weights
0:05:00 and loading up on the creatine
0:05:03 just to put it in the window a little bit.
0:05:06 So yeah, that was my week.
0:05:07 What did you do?
0:05:09 What have you done the last week?
0:05:11 Nothing like that.
0:05:14 I definitely haven’t been testosterone dosing
0:05:15 and creatine.
0:05:18 You sound though like when women
0:05:19 are getting ready for their weddings, right?
0:05:22 Like that you have this push at the end
0:05:24 to make sure that you look great in the dress
0:05:26 or in your case in the boxing shorts.
0:05:27 That’s right.
0:05:30 It was pretty normal family stuff,
0:05:34 but I’m in the middle of a staycation at home.
0:05:36 Our girls are at Brian’s mother’s.
0:05:40 So we’re at home without them.
0:05:41 And it’s so great because you realize
0:05:43 that you actually love your home,
0:05:44 which you don’t usually feel
0:05:45 because you’re just like stepping on toys
0:05:46 and everyone is screaming
0:05:48 and has a dirty diaper.
0:05:50 Not talking about my husband,
0:05:52 talking about little people.
0:05:53 So that’s been fun.
0:05:55 And going out to dinner,
0:05:57 which I miss doing without thinking about like,
0:05:58 oh, I have to get back for the babysitter.
0:06:01 So these are all very kind of average,
0:06:03 I’m sure, experiences for young parents.
0:06:06 But I am enjoying my kid-free week.
0:06:08 So you have great in-laws.
0:06:08 Yeah.
0:06:10 You have in-laws you can dump the kids out.
0:06:13 Well, also the nanny goes as well.
0:06:15 So the in-laws get to feel like
0:06:17 they’re taking care of kids,
0:06:19 but they’re not actually taking care of kids.
0:06:19 That guy.
0:06:20 I take it back.
0:06:22 They’re average to better than average in-laws.
0:06:24 No, they’re fantastic.
0:06:25 But, you know.
0:06:27 Can I give you sort of some insider,
0:06:28 a little insider info,
0:06:31 some like hacks on getting along with your in-laws?
0:06:31 Yeah.
0:06:32 It’s very easy.
0:06:34 Is this like buy them a Mercedes?
0:06:35 A hundred percent.
0:06:37 Don’t communicate with them.
0:06:38 Don’t communicate.
0:06:40 It’s not a thing, Scott.
0:06:42 You can’t do that and women can’t do that.
0:06:43 Don’t communicate.
0:06:44 That’s like totally a dude thing.
0:06:46 That’s when your relationship with your in-laws
0:06:46 comes off the tracks.
0:06:47 When you start communicating
0:06:49 and your father-in-law decides
0:06:51 he needs to let you know why he likes Trump.
0:06:55 And two, buy dad a Mercedes every three years.
0:06:57 And when your mother-in-law gives your father-in-law
0:06:59 just an unreasonable amount of shit and grief,
0:07:02 just look at her in the eye and nod.
0:07:07 Just show that empathy for a little bit of crazy.
0:07:08 That’s what I do.
0:07:10 I just buy him a car every three years.
0:07:12 And when she’s out of control,
0:07:13 I look at her and I’m like,
0:07:13 I get it.
0:07:15 I hundred percent get it.
0:07:16 I’ll work on it.
0:07:17 You’re welcome, Jess.
0:07:18 Thank you.
0:07:21 Today, we’re talking about the LA protests
0:07:22 sparked by ICE raids.
0:07:23 That’s bias.
0:07:24 I don’t want to be biased
0:07:26 saying it’s sparked by ICE raids.
0:07:29 That’s a little bit of our progressive bias here.
0:07:31 Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s return
0:07:33 and the fallout from Musk and Trump’s breakup
0:07:35 and what it means for the future of the GOP.
0:07:37 Okay, let’s bust right into it.
0:07:39 It’s been a volatile few days in Los Angeles.
0:07:40 Over the weekend,
0:07:42 President Trump deployed 2,000 National Guard troops
0:07:45 to the city without a request from the state,
0:07:48 prompting swift backlash from Governor Newsom,
0:07:50 who called the move purposefully inflammatory.
0:07:52 Now California is suing.
0:07:55 The state filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration
0:07:57 asking a federal judge to declare the troop deployment
0:08:00 unconstitutional and block future call-ups
0:08:01 tied to street protests.
0:08:04 Meanwhile, tensions on the ground remain high.
0:08:06 Over the last five days,
0:08:07 law enforcement fired rubber bullets
0:08:10 and threw flashbangs at protesters in downtown LA
0:08:12 after projectiles were reportedly thrown at officers.
0:08:14 Over the weekend,
0:08:16 police used similar tactics to disperse crowds.
0:08:19 Protesters set self-driving cars on fire.
0:08:21 And parts of downtown were declared
0:08:23 an unlawful assembly zone.
0:08:24 One county official called Sunday
0:08:27 probably one of the most volatile nights
0:08:28 in LA’s recent memory.
0:08:31 The federal response is only escalating.
0:08:31 On Monday,
0:08:34 U.S. Northern Command activated 700 Marines
0:08:35 to help protect federal property in the area.
0:08:37 The Pentagon also confirmed
0:08:39 Trump had ordered another 2,000 National Guard troops
0:08:40 in Los Angeles
0:08:41 on top of the original deployment.
0:08:43 The president’s border czar,
0:08:44 Tom Homan,
0:08:47 said the Marines were necessary to quell protests,
0:08:49 though he declined to explain
0:08:51 what criteria the administration is using
0:08:52 to justify the moves.
0:08:54 This all comes as outrage
0:08:55 over Trump’s immigration crackdown
0:08:57 spreads from the streets to the courts,
0:08:58 especially in the case
0:08:59 of Kimar Obrego-Garcia,
0:09:01 a man who was mistakenly deported
0:09:02 despite a judge’s order,
0:09:04 eventually returned to the U.S.
0:09:05 and later faced federal charges
0:09:06 he says are politically motivated.
0:09:08 And while public opinion
0:09:10 on immigration remains split,
0:09:12 Trump’s tactics aren’t winning him support.
0:09:14 A new CBS News YouGov poll
0:09:15 finds most Americans
0:09:16 do support deporting
0:09:18 undocumented immigrants in theory,
0:09:20 but a majority disapprove
0:09:21 of how Trump is doing it.
0:09:23 Over 60% say no one should be deported
0:09:24 without a court hearing.
0:09:26 And many question whether these crackdowns
0:09:28 make the country safer
0:09:29 or just do more harm than good.
0:09:32 Jess, what is your take on all of this?
0:09:36 It’s distressing to see what’s going on,
0:09:40 but I overwhelmingly feel like Trump
0:09:42 is just having the best time ever.
0:09:44 Like, he’s in absolute heaven.
0:09:48 So it’s less than six months into his term,
0:09:51 and he has Russ Vogt as the head of OMB
0:09:52 and now of Doge.
0:09:55 So if you thought Elon was bad
0:09:56 in terms of what he was trying to doge,
0:09:59 put the king of Project 2025 in charge,
0:10:02 he has yes men and yes women
0:10:04 at DOD and DHS.
0:10:08 Mike Johnson has been more useful to him
0:10:09 than I think he could have ever expected.
0:10:10 Remember at the beginning,
0:10:12 he wasn’t even that enchanted with Mike Johnson,
0:10:13 didn’t know if he was going to have
0:10:14 the backbone for this.
0:10:16 Mike Johnson, by far and away,
0:10:19 earning his keep at the Mar-a-Lago buffet.
0:10:24 Scott Besson has forgotten that he hates tariffs.
0:10:27 There are scenes of troops,
0:10:30 Marines, National Guard across Los Angeles,
0:10:33 and even though it was only a couple of people,
0:10:36 there is an image of a shirtless protester
0:10:38 on top of a flaming Waymo car
0:10:40 waving a Mexican flag.
0:10:43 He is in absolute heaven
0:10:45 with what’s going on here.
0:10:47 And I know people point to the courts
0:10:48 and I am one of those people
0:10:50 and say the courts are holding the line
0:10:51 and they absolutely are.
0:10:56 But he’s getting everything that he wanted,
0:10:58 everything that he dreamed of,
0:11:01 all of the people from the first administration
0:11:02 that were saying things like,
0:11:05 eh, we can’t really invoke the Insurrection Act.
0:11:07 You know, maybe we should double-think this.
0:11:08 You know, the John Kellys of the world are gone.
0:11:10 The Mark Espers of the world are gone.
0:11:13 And he and Stephen Miller
0:11:15 are sitting side by side,
0:11:18 gleefully smiling at one another
0:11:20 that they just can’t believe their luck.
0:11:23 That’s writ large how I feel
0:11:24 about what’s going on now.
0:11:27 In terms of the specifics of Los Angeles,
0:11:29 I think that we are in a new frontier
0:11:31 of the immigration wars.
0:11:33 This has been bubbling
0:11:35 because the administration has been frustrated
0:11:38 that they weren’t getting enough deportations,
0:11:40 that they were getting less on a daily basis
0:11:42 by far and away than the Biden administration.
0:11:43 So they set a fake quota.
0:11:45 3,000 people need to be out per day.
0:11:46 And the Washington Examiner,
0:11:48 which is a conservative paper,
0:11:50 had some great reporting
0:11:51 about a private meeting
0:11:53 with Stephen Miller and ICE agents
0:11:55 where he’s berating them,
0:11:57 saying enough with going after the criminals.
0:12:00 You go to Home Depot and you go to 7-Eleven.
0:12:02 And that’s where we are now.
0:12:05 People are being picked up off their job sites.
0:12:07 They are invading nail salons,
0:12:09 elementary schools.
0:12:11 There was a story about a pickup
0:12:13 from a birthday party.
0:12:15 And most importantly, I think,
0:12:18 is that they’re showing up at immigration courts
0:12:20 to take people away.
0:12:21 So the signal is clear
0:12:25 that there actually is no right way to do this.
0:12:27 If you are here illegally,
0:12:28 you can be sent home
0:12:31 and you are most likely
0:12:33 not going to get the due process
0:12:34 that you deserve
0:12:36 as a projection from the Constitution.
0:12:39 But we are going to have millions of people
0:12:42 going inside and hiding
0:12:43 and living in abject terror
0:12:45 of what’s to come.
0:12:49 And I feel like we’re pretty powerless to fight it.
0:12:51 Public opinion is swaying against this.
0:12:53 There’s new YouGov polling out
0:12:55 about disapproving of sending in the National Guard
0:12:56 and sending in the Marines.
0:13:00 And people don’t like how he’s executing this.
0:13:03 But I don’t know if any of that matters.
0:13:04 You know, see my first comment
0:13:07 about how well he thinks everything is going.
0:13:09 Like, you’re not going to get them out of office.
0:13:10 And even if there’s a blue wave
0:13:12 for the 2026 midterms,
0:13:14 he’s not doing anything
0:13:17 through a normal legislative route anyway.
0:13:19 So what’s the difference?
0:13:23 Yeah, it’s, I think your comments are spot on.
0:13:25 I always draw parallels
0:13:27 and people say I’m being hysterical
0:13:29 or a catastrophist.
0:13:31 I always draw parallels with 1930s Germany.
0:13:32 And you don’t have to be Hitler
0:13:35 to take a page out of this playbook.
0:13:38 And we didn’t just wake up with Auschwitz.
0:13:40 It was a slow burn.
0:13:42 You know, a few of those incremental steps
0:13:45 were recasting authoritarianism
0:13:46 as patriotism
0:13:49 and claiming that the enemy was within.
0:13:50 You know, on the whole,
0:13:52 Americans, for the most part,
0:13:53 on the whole, day to day,
0:13:54 pretty much get along.
0:13:56 On the whole, our economy,
0:13:56 with all our problems
0:13:57 around income inequality,
0:14:00 159 sovereign nations in the world,
0:14:01 the majority would kill
0:14:03 to have our problems.
0:14:04 What you do
0:14:06 or kind of the best practice
0:14:07 around a move
0:14:08 from a democracy,
0:14:10 which is based on trust,
0:14:11 to an autocracy,
0:14:12 which is based on fear,
0:14:14 is you claim
0:14:15 that the enemy is within.
0:14:16 And in the 30s,
0:14:19 it was socialists and Jews.
0:14:22 And they talk about law and order
0:14:25 as being that I will restore order.
0:14:26 And then they weaponize
0:14:28 and deputize the military.
0:14:30 When you have tanks on the street,
0:14:32 when you have the military
0:14:33 being brought in above
0:14:34 and beyond state
0:14:35 and local law enforcement,
0:14:36 it essentially says,
0:14:37 in my opinion,
0:14:38 our society is failing.
0:14:40 The last time it happened for me
0:14:41 was in 1992.
0:14:42 I came home from graduate school
0:14:43 and after the Rodney King riots,
0:14:44 there was,
0:14:45 I lived in a very sleepy suburb
0:14:46 of Westwood.
0:14:48 There were what looked like
0:14:49 two high school kids
0:14:51 in fatigues and M-15s
0:14:52 just posted on every corner.
0:14:53 I remember thinking,
0:14:54 wow, this is America now?
0:14:55 We’re that country?
0:14:58 But this is how
0:15:00 an authoritarian gets,
0:15:01 they try and motivate
0:15:03 or incite a response
0:15:04 so they can justify
0:15:06 having an overreaction
0:15:08 against their political enemies.
0:15:10 Now, the really sad part about it
0:15:11 is that,
0:15:13 I won’t say we,
0:15:14 I’ll say the protesters
0:15:15 are playing into their hands.
0:15:17 When you see people
0:15:19 throwing rocks and stones
0:15:21 at law enforcement officials
0:15:22 and you see them wearing masks
0:15:23 and you see them
0:15:24 waving Palestinian flags
0:15:25 and even Mexican flags,
0:15:26 I think they should be
0:15:28 waving American flags.
0:15:29 I think they’re just
0:15:30 absolutely playing
0:15:33 into his autocracy playbook.
0:15:36 And this is,
0:15:37 you know,
0:15:38 incredibly disappointing.
0:15:39 I feel like these individuals
0:15:40 who are angry
0:15:42 and, you know,
0:15:42 there’s warranted anger
0:15:43 and concern,
0:15:44 but they’re absolutely
0:15:46 making things worse
0:15:48 and giving them an excuse
0:15:49 to call up the military.
0:15:52 I think Miller and Trump
0:15:53 are praying for
0:15:54 a law enforcement official
0:15:55 to be shot
0:15:56 such that they can warrant
0:15:57 an overreaction here
0:15:58 and move to sort of
0:15:59 a police state
0:16:02 and attempt to defenestrate
0:16:04 who is one of
0:16:05 kind of the Democratic
0:16:07 strongholds, California,
0:16:08 and what is perceived
0:16:09 as a potential
0:16:10 Democratic presidential candidate,
0:16:11 and that’s Governor Newsom.
0:16:14 This is just so disappointing,
0:16:15 both in terms of
0:16:16 people on the ground,
0:16:17 protesters not recognizing
0:16:18 they’re doing themselves
0:16:19 a disservice
0:16:19 with the way
0:16:20 they acquit themselves,
0:16:22 but this is just,
0:16:24 this is using a flamethrower
0:16:27 to fix a smoke alarm.
0:16:28 This is just,
0:16:29 this is just unnecessary
0:16:31 inflammation.
0:16:32 Typically when the National Guard
0:16:33 is called in,
0:16:33 it’s at the request
0:16:34 of the governor,
0:16:35 it’s at the request
0:16:36 of the local police authorities.
0:16:38 The LAPD issued a statement
0:16:39 a couple days ago
0:16:40 commending the protesters
0:16:41 for what had been
0:16:41 to that point
0:16:43 very civil protests,
0:16:45 and yet they invent,
0:16:46 I mean,
0:16:47 this happened
0:16:48 over and over
0:16:50 in 30s Germany,
0:16:52 invent the enemy within,
0:16:54 preach about law and order,
0:16:56 have an overreaction
0:16:56 to things
0:16:59 to try and seize control
0:17:00 to avoid
0:17:01 or obviate
0:17:02 the total erosion
0:17:03 of habeas corpus,
0:17:05 and say that the enemy
0:17:06 is,
0:17:07 the enemy is academics
0:17:09 and immigrants
0:17:11 and Democrats,
0:17:12 that the enemy
0:17:12 is within.
0:17:14 Yeah,
0:17:16 I agree with what you’re saying,
0:17:17 and I’m thinking back
0:17:17 to some of the rhetoric
0:17:18 from the campaign
0:17:19 that they’re poisoning
0:17:21 the blood of America
0:17:22 and referring to them
0:17:23 as vermin.
0:17:24 So that was straight
0:17:26 1930s playbook stuff.
0:17:27 I tend
0:17:29 to not be
0:17:30 an alarmist
0:17:31 in that sense.
0:17:32 I don’t like any
0:17:32 comparisons
0:17:34 to Hitler.
0:17:35 Hitler was one of a kind
0:17:36 in the absolute
0:17:37 worst way,
0:17:38 but you are
0:17:39 definitely seeing
0:17:40 the important
0:17:42 components of democracy
0:17:44 being stripped away
0:17:45 or an attempt
0:17:46 to strip them away,
0:17:47 and that’s deeply
0:17:48 concerning to me.
0:17:49 I think that
0:17:50 Governor Newsom
0:17:51 and Mayor Bass
0:17:52 have done
0:17:53 an incredible job
0:17:54 in managing
0:17:55 what’s going on,
0:17:56 and central to that
0:17:56 has been that
0:17:57 they have led
0:17:58 every statement
0:17:59 that they have made
0:18:00 with there is no tolerance
0:18:02 for violence
0:18:04 on behalf of the protesters.
0:18:05 That’s a clear signal
0:18:06 that we have learned
0:18:07 our lesson
0:18:08 from the
0:18:09 Black Lives Matter
0:18:10 summer
0:18:11 where things got
0:18:12 wildly out of control
0:18:14 and there wasn’t
0:18:15 enough democratic
0:18:16 leadership out there.
0:18:17 Some exceptions
0:18:18 like Keisha Lance Bottoms
0:18:19 who was the mayor
0:18:19 of Atlanta
0:18:20 who got up there
0:18:20 and basically said,
0:18:21 what the fuck
0:18:22 are you doing?
0:18:23 There is a way
0:18:24 to do this properly
0:18:25 and there is a way
0:18:26 to do this wrong
0:18:28 and you are doing it
0:18:29 the wrong way.
0:18:30 So I like that
0:18:31 there has been
0:18:32 a call for
0:18:33 peaceful protest
0:18:34 at every single
0:18:35 opportunity.
0:18:36 the lawsuit
0:18:38 that Governor Newsom
0:18:38 has filed
0:18:39 against the administration.
0:18:40 I don’t really know
0:18:41 where that goes
0:18:42 but I do think
0:18:43 it’s important
0:18:43 that we seem like
0:18:44 there’s fighting back
0:18:46 on every level.
0:18:47 I should note as well
0:18:48 that all of this
0:18:49 is going on
0:18:50 while there’s a threat
0:18:51 from the administration
0:18:52 to defund California.
0:18:54 So this is an incredibly
0:18:55 precarious time
0:18:56 that Newsom
0:18:58 has to be operating in
0:18:59 and I think
0:19:00 that he has seemed
0:19:01 downright presidential
0:19:03 at these moments
0:19:03 and also saying
0:19:04 you know
0:19:05 go ahead
0:19:06 come and arrest me
0:19:06 and that’s what
0:19:07 Trump is threatening now
0:19:08 and even Tom Holman
0:19:09 is trying to walk it back
0:19:10 and then of course
0:19:11 Trump who
0:19:12 has no limits
0:19:13 or care
0:19:14 for what is
0:19:16 possible actually
0:19:17 or even legal
0:19:17 just you know
0:19:18 keeps harping on it
0:19:19 and that just makes
0:19:20 Newsom seem stronger
0:19:23 but January 6th
0:19:24 always exists
0:19:25 in the back of my mind
0:19:26 right that our country
0:19:27 is being run
0:19:28 by people
0:19:29 who don’t have
0:19:31 a respect for the rule of law
0:19:33 or for our vote
0:19:34 right that they tried
0:19:34 to overturn a free
0:19:35 and fair election
0:19:37 and then we send them back
0:19:39 to the most important
0:19:40 seat in the world
0:19:43 and my mind
0:19:45 is going to this scary place
0:19:46 where you think
0:19:47 this might just be
0:19:48 step one or step two
0:19:49 heading towards
0:19:51 a place where we don’t
0:19:53 have elections
0:19:54 because if
0:19:56 you want to
0:19:57 militarize
0:19:58 the country
0:19:59 which is what he wants to do
0:19:59 and the decree
0:20:00 that he sent down
0:20:01 actually means
0:20:02 it’s not just about
0:20:03 sending troops
0:20:03 into California
0:20:05 they can be sent anywhere
0:20:06 and it’s very
0:20:08 few limitations
0:20:09 on what justifies
0:20:12 sending the troops out
0:20:13 it’s what you decide
0:20:13 is a rebellion
0:20:15 it doesn’t even have to be
0:20:16 violent protests
0:20:16 etc
0:20:18 David Frum
0:20:19 wrote in the Atlantic
0:20:19 you know
0:20:20 for Trump
0:20:21 this is a dress rehearsal
0:20:24 and you can see
0:20:25 a world in which
0:20:26 an administration
0:20:28 that already says
0:20:29 everything is an emergency
0:20:30 so they’ve exercised
0:20:31 emergency powers
0:20:32 more than any
0:20:33 of their predecessors
0:20:34 you know
0:20:35 everything from immigration
0:20:36 to the economy
0:20:37 tariffs
0:20:38 energy emergency
0:20:38 etc
0:20:40 so if we live
0:20:40 in a constant state
0:20:41 of emergency
0:20:42 if you can deploy
0:20:43 troops
0:20:44 at the drop of a hat
0:20:46 we’re recording this
0:20:47 on Tuesday morning
0:20:48 another 2000
0:20:49 National Guard
0:20:50 is being sent
0:20:50 and we should note
0:20:52 refuse to send them
0:20:53 for January 6th
0:20:53 which is really
0:20:54 what an insurrection
0:20:55 looks like
0:20:56 you could see a world
0:20:58 where it comes time
0:20:59 to vote
0:21:00 and we’re living
0:21:02 in a military state
0:21:02 and somehow
0:21:04 that isn’t possible
0:21:05 you know
0:21:06 seizing control
0:21:07 of local operations
0:21:07 of government
0:21:09 maybe that is
0:21:10 a step
0:21:10 I don’t know
0:21:11 what number step
0:21:12 in this process
0:21:13 but it’s something
0:21:13 that’s hanging
0:21:14 over my head
0:21:15 and it’s really
0:21:16 distressing me
0:21:17 what do you think
0:21:18 about that
0:21:19 have you catastrophized
0:21:20 to that level
0:21:22 yeah
0:21:24 I’m a glass half
0:21:24 empty kind of guy
0:21:25 so it’s easy
0:21:26 for me to go there
0:21:27 that’s what I love
0:21:27 about you
0:21:28 there you go
0:21:28 bring me down
0:21:29 even further
0:21:30 I’m already like
0:21:31 on ground level
0:21:32 take me subterranean
0:21:33 I’m just so sick
0:21:34 of everyone saying
0:21:35 they’re an optimist
0:21:36 you know
0:21:36 yeah you need
0:21:37 an optimist
0:21:37 to vent the plane
0:21:38 you need pessimist
0:21:39 to have seat belts
0:21:40 but anyways
0:21:42 there are three
0:21:43 firewalls here
0:21:43 and so let’s go
0:21:44 through each of them
0:21:45 the first is
0:21:45 the courts
0:21:46 and I think the courts
0:21:47 are doing their jobs
0:21:49 essentially anytime
0:21:50 this gets in front
0:21:50 of a judge
0:21:51 even if it’s a
0:21:52 Trump appointed judge
0:21:52 they go
0:21:54 no you can’t
0:21:55 raise tariffs
0:21:55 and claim you’re
0:21:56 doing this
0:21:57 because it’s wartime
0:21:58 no you can’t
0:21:58 cut all
0:22:00 research for medical
0:22:01 funding to a university
0:22:02 because you’ve decided
0:22:03 it’s anti-semitic
0:22:04 we’re talking about
0:22:06 research for diabetes
0:22:07 and so the courts
0:22:07 seem to be doing
0:22:08 their job
0:22:09 the second
0:22:10 is the media
0:22:11 I’m mixed
0:22:12 on the media
0:22:12 I think there’s
0:22:13 a lot of good
0:22:13 on the ground
0:22:14 reporting
0:22:16 but the media
0:22:17 isn’t interested
0:22:18 in giving a real
0:22:19 they’re not going
0:22:19 to cover
0:22:20 the peaceful
0:22:21 protests
0:22:22 that doesn’t
0:22:23 they might say
0:22:24 this is bullshit
0:22:24 and talk about
0:22:25 this is peaceful
0:22:26 protests
0:22:26 as a means
0:22:27 of diminishing
0:22:29 or puncturing
0:22:29 the validity
0:22:31 of this over response
0:22:32 but they don’t
0:22:33 really give
0:22:35 the rest of the world
0:22:36 a sense for the
0:22:37 real vibe in LA
0:22:37 and when I talk
0:22:38 to people in LA
0:22:38 they say
0:22:39 yeah
0:22:39 there’s flashpoints
0:22:40 I’ve seen them
0:22:40 on the news
0:22:41 but
0:22:41 everything’s fine
0:22:42 we’re at brunch
0:22:43 we’re all going
0:22:44 to Gelson’s
0:22:44 and you know
0:22:46 headed to the movies
0:22:46 or whatever
0:22:47 getting like a
0:22:48 $90 smoothie
0:22:49 yeah we’re not
0:22:50 we’re fine
0:22:51 we’re you know
0:22:51 we’re still going
0:22:52 to No Boo
0:22:52 tomorrow night
0:22:53 it’s just
0:22:54 you know
0:22:54 it’s not like
0:22:55 the riots
0:22:56 that was different
0:22:57 or it’s not
0:22:58 nothing like COVID
0:22:59 or anything like that
0:23:01 but on the whole
0:23:01 I would say
0:23:02 the media is doing
0:23:03 its level best
0:23:04 and there’s a lot
0:23:04 of kind of
0:23:05 citizen journalism
0:23:05 I’ve seen
0:23:06 that I think
0:23:06 it’s been pretty good
0:23:08 and then civil
0:23:08 protest
0:23:09 is sort of
0:23:10 the third leg
0:23:10 of the stool
0:23:11 and I would argue
0:23:12 that started strong
0:23:13 I just think
0:23:14 that the absolute
0:23:15 worst thing
0:23:16 for us
0:23:16 is when you see
0:23:17 someone waving
0:23:18 a Palestinian flag
0:23:20 with a mask on
0:23:21 you know
0:23:22 on top of a
0:23:23 burning car
0:23:24 that’s literally
0:23:25 like okay
0:23:25 the Democrats
0:23:26 are fucking
0:23:27 out of control
0:23:28 they may not
0:23:29 endorse this
0:23:30 but they tolerate it
0:23:31 things are
0:23:32 out of control
0:23:33 and people’s
0:23:34 emotions start
0:23:35 to
0:23:36 they just get angry
0:23:37 and they want
0:23:38 an over correction
0:23:39 and so
0:23:40 I would say
0:23:40 that there’s
0:23:41 some elements
0:23:42 of the protest
0:23:43 that are just
0:23:44 absolutely feeding
0:23:44 into this
0:23:46 the scenario
0:23:47 here where things
0:23:48 get really bad
0:23:48 is that
0:23:50 it’s much more
0:23:50 dramatic to think
0:23:51 about a nation
0:23:52 as great as America
0:23:54 goes out with a boom
0:23:55 that it’s a huge
0:23:56 civil war
0:23:57 where we have
0:23:58 you know
0:23:59 the Air Force
0:24:00 pitted against
0:24:00 the Navy
0:24:02 and the Coast Guard
0:24:03 has to pick a side
0:24:03 and people
0:24:05 with all their guns
0:24:05 take to the streets
0:24:06 and there’s this
0:24:07 civil war
0:24:08 and then
0:24:09 you know
0:24:10 whatever side wins
0:24:10 they take over
0:24:11 the state capitals
0:24:12 the blue states
0:24:13 or if the blue states
0:24:14 win they end up
0:24:15 assaulting the White House
0:24:16 I don’t think
0:24:18 America ends like that
0:24:18 I think it’s much
0:24:19 less cinematic
0:24:22 and this is one
0:24:22 of those steps
0:24:23 to what would be
0:24:24 I would argue
0:24:25 a fairly
0:24:27 non-dramatic
0:24:28 non-cinematic
0:24:29 end of America
0:24:30 as we know it
0:24:30 and it plays out
0:24:31 something like this
0:24:33 Trump tries to foment
0:24:34 an overreaction
0:24:35 and a militarization
0:24:37 or an occupation
0:24:38 of our biggest
0:24:39 blue states
0:24:40 and then
0:24:41 Governor Newsom
0:24:41 says
0:24:43 hey boss
0:24:44 I send 70
0:24:45 80 billion dollars
0:24:46 more than I get
0:24:46 from you
0:24:47 I’m out
0:24:48 I’m not
0:24:49 sending you
0:24:50 80 billion dollars
0:24:51 I’m sick of funding
0:24:52 your attempt
0:24:53 to militarize
0:24:54 my state
0:24:55 and funding
0:24:55 the red states
0:24:56 who seem
0:24:57 to have
0:24:58 endorsed
0:24:59 your militarization
0:24:59 of our state
0:25:00 I’m no longer
0:25:00 sending you
0:25:02 this 80 billion dollars
0:25:03 or Texas
0:25:04 if say
0:25:05 Governor Newsom
0:25:06 or Representative
0:25:07 Torres
0:25:07 is elected
0:25:08 president
0:25:09 they say
0:25:09 we’re not
0:25:09 sort of finding
0:25:10 the election
0:25:10 we don’t
0:25:10 recognize
0:25:12 this president
0:25:13 and then
0:25:13 slowly
0:25:14 but surely
0:25:15 you have
0:25:15 California
0:25:16 a tech-based
0:25:16 economy
0:25:17 that does
0:25:17 business
0:25:18 with Asia
0:25:20 you have
0:25:20 Texas
0:25:21 lead an oil
0:25:21 and energy
0:25:22 based economy
0:25:23 that does
0:25:23 business
0:25:24 with the Gulf
0:25:24 you have
0:25:25 the Midwest
0:25:26 an industrial
0:25:27 economy
0:25:27 manufacturing
0:25:28 economy
0:25:28 that does
0:25:28 a lot
0:25:29 of business
0:25:30 with Canada
0:25:31 the East Coast
0:25:32 financial services
0:25:33 and media economy
0:25:34 that does a lot
0:25:34 of business
0:25:34 with Europe
0:25:35 they each develop
0:25:36 their own currencies
0:25:37 they come to a
0:25:37 detente
0:25:37 they don’t want
0:25:38 to go to war
0:25:39 against each other
0:25:40 they don’t want
0:25:40 to escalate
0:25:41 that far
0:25:41 but slowly
0:25:42 but surely
0:25:42 you end up
0:25:43 with a series
0:25:44 of nation states
0:25:44 that look
0:25:45 very similar
0:25:46 to the EU
0:25:48 where you have
0:25:48 big ones
0:25:49 like Germany
0:25:49 that would
0:25:50 be California
0:25:51 smaller ones
0:25:51 like Florida
0:25:52 which would
0:25:52 look more
0:25:53 like France
0:25:53 or what have
0:25:54 you
0:25:55 and America
0:25:56 kind of ends
0:25:57 with a whimper
0:25:57 not a bang
0:25:59 I think there’s
0:25:59 a non-zero
0:26:00 probability
0:26:00 we’re sort
0:26:01 of at letter
0:26:02 C or D
0:26:03 in that
0:26:04 devolution
0:26:05 or digression
0:26:05 to a breaking
0:26:06 up of America
0:26:07 and I don’t
0:26:08 think it’s
0:26:08 I think people
0:26:09 think well
0:26:09 it’s not going
0:26:09 to happen
0:26:10 because I
0:26:10 can’t imagine
0:26:12 you know
0:26:13 grabbing my gun
0:26:13 and going
0:26:13 somewhere
0:26:14 and potentially
0:26:15 killing my
0:26:15 cousins
0:26:15 who live
0:26:16 in Atlanta
0:26:16 I don’t
0:26:17 think that’s
0:26:18 going to happen
0:26:18 you think
0:26:18 it could
0:26:19 be peacefully
0:26:20 done
0:26:21 where we
0:26:21 just
0:26:22 we go
0:26:22 into a
0:26:23 federalist
0:26:23 system
0:26:24 and we
0:26:24 say this
0:26:25 is what
0:26:25 the northeast
0:26:26 looks like
0:26:26 I’m no longer
0:26:27 sending money
0:26:27 to the federal
0:26:28 government
0:26:29 I’m capturing
0:26:29 my own
0:26:30 property
0:26:30 and income
0:26:31 taxes
0:26:32 I come up
0:26:33 with my own
0:26:34 shit coin
0:26:34 the Texas
0:26:35 coin
0:26:36 that is used
0:26:36 as currency
0:26:37 here
0:26:39 and we
0:26:39 essentially
0:26:40 have our
0:26:40 own economy
0:26:41 our own
0:26:41 elected
0:26:41 officials
0:26:42 we ignore
0:26:43 federal
0:26:43 mandates
0:26:44 federal laws
0:26:44 we come up
0:26:45 with our
0:26:45 own
0:26:46 constitution
0:26:47 maybe
0:26:48 blue and
0:26:48 red
0:26:48 it might
0:26:49 be blue
0:26:49 states
0:26:49 that lead
0:26:50 this
0:26:50 to say
0:26:50 we’ve had
0:26:51 enough
0:26:52 we’re done
0:26:53 we’re California
0:26:53 we’re the fourth
0:26:54 largest economy
0:26:54 in the world
0:26:56 we’ll go our
0:26:56 own way
0:26:57 we’ll be able
0:26:58 to house
0:26:58 the homeless
0:26:59 if we don’t
0:26:59 have to send
0:27:00 80 billion dollars
0:27:01 to DC
0:27:03 to fund a military
0:27:04 occupation of our
0:27:04 state
0:27:05 I mean that to me
0:27:05 seems like a
0:27:07 fairly cogent
0:27:08 argument
0:27:08 if and by the
0:27:09 way I don’t
0:27:09 I don’t believe
0:27:10 we should do
0:27:10 that I think
0:27:11 it’s a terrible
0:27:12 idea but I
0:27:13 can see blue
0:27:14 and red states
0:27:15 creating a
0:27:16 narrative where
0:27:17 they justify
0:27:18 kind of a slow
0:27:19 sequestering from
0:27:20 the federal
0:27:20 government
0:27:21 I think people
0:27:22 will tire of
0:27:23 if they haven’t
0:27:23 already
0:27:25 the ricochet
0:27:26 effect of
0:27:28 what a new
0:27:28 administration
0:27:29 means every
0:27:30 four or eight
0:27:30 years
0:27:31 right that you
0:27:31 have to
0:27:33 totally recast
0:27:35 how you see
0:27:36 America or how
0:27:37 America operates
0:27:38 depending on
0:27:39 who holds the
0:27:40 Oval Office
0:27:40 this
0:27:41 and America
0:27:42 is not
0:27:43 supposed to
0:27:44 be that way
0:27:44 there are
0:27:45 supposed to be
0:27:46 fundamental
0:27:46 principles and
0:27:47 ideas and sets
0:27:49 of laws that
0:27:50 govern and that
0:27:51 is supposed to
0:27:51 bring some
0:27:52 consistency and
0:27:53 then the difference
0:27:54 in the political
0:27:54 parties that are
0:27:55 in charge are
0:27:56 supposed to make
0:27:57 changes more or
0:27:58 less around the
0:27:59 edges right and
0:28:00 then we have a
0:28:00 you know a
0:28:01 slightly different
0:28:02 tax policy our
0:28:02 immigration policy
0:28:03 changes this way
0:28:04 oh you know we’re
0:28:05 going to do more
0:28:06 nuclear power we’re
0:28:06 cutting down on
0:28:07 EV credits etc
0:28:09 like that’s I
0:28:10 think how people
0:28:10 had understood
0:28:11 what’s going on
0:28:12 but we are in a
0:28:15 moment where people
0:28:16 want to burn it
0:28:17 all down and I
0:28:17 don’t know if you
0:28:18 read David Brooks’s
0:28:19 column from the end
0:28:20 of last week in the
0:28:22 Times but he was
0:28:24 talking about how
0:28:25 one of the ways at
0:28:26 least that he sees
0:28:27 that the Democrats
0:28:28 don’t get it or are
0:28:30 not prepared for this
0:28:32 moment is that we’re
0:28:32 thinking way too
0:28:34 small in terms of
0:28:35 what can be
0:28:36 achieved and that
0:28:37 the problems that we
0:28:38 face as a country
0:28:40 and as a political
0:28:41 party are not going
0:28:41 to be solved by
0:28:42 having a good
0:28:44 midterms right or
0:28:45 even having Governor
0:28:46 Shapiro turn into
0:28:48 President Shapiro in
0:28:49 2028 but that the
0:28:51 Republicans have much
0:28:53 better understood the
0:28:55 moment and how much
0:28:57 people hate the
0:28:58 system you know
0:29:00 system TM right but
0:29:02 see that this deck
0:29:03 is stacked so
0:29:05 enormously against the
0:29:06 average person that
0:29:07 unless you are willing
0:29:10 to actually burn it
0:29:12 down that you can’t
0:29:14 capture real support
0:29:16 from the American body
0:29:19 politic and I think
0:29:20 that there’s a lot of
0:29:21 merit to that you know
0:29:23 how do we make it clear
0:29:25 to people that we
0:29:26 understand how important
0:29:28 this moment is how
0:29:29 scared everyone is and
0:29:31 that also business as
0:29:33 usual is not something
0:29:34 that they are interested
0:29:36 in returning to so we
0:29:37 have to we have to at
0:29:39 one speed the adults in
0:29:40 the room that can
0:29:41 quell everything and
0:29:42 bring us back to a
0:29:43 status quo but we also
0:29:44 have to destroy the
0:29:45 status quo at the same
0:29:46 time and the
0:29:47 Republicans never had to
0:29:49 do that they just went
0:29:51 all burn it down and
0:29:52 they were able to get
0:29:53 reelected but Democrats
0:29:55 have to be both parent
0:29:57 and child and that’s a
0:29:59 very complex role to
0:29:59 have to fill
0:30:02 okay let’s take a quick
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0:33:07 welcome back so i’m i’m i’m
0:33:08 renovating house and building a
0:33:10 house and what i found much to my
0:33:12 surprise is that it actually takes
0:33:14 less time to build a house than to
0:33:14 renovate one
0:33:17 because there’s you know historic
0:33:19 society you run into a pipe once you
0:33:21 have your architectural plans on a
0:33:23 piece of land and you have zoning you
0:33:25 can just go wham you just go and i
0:33:27 do think the advantage that the
0:33:28 democrats should lean into right now
0:33:30 is basically i think our party is
0:33:33 almost at zero right now we had
0:33:34 leader jeffries we interviewed him i
0:33:36 think he’s a wonderful congressman a
0:33:37 wonderful representative i don’t
0:33:40 think he is up to the job of leading
0:33:42 the democratic party through this and
0:33:44 i think senator schumer is case
0:33:45 study number one for why we need age
0:33:49 limits and how weak we’ve become i
0:33:53 think there’s very strong bench but i
0:33:55 don’t know if it’s party orthodoxy or
0:33:59 format or systemic rules that keep these
0:34:03 voices more quiet whatever it is but we
0:34:05 are literally starting from zero and i
0:34:07 think that’s an opportunity it’s like
0:34:09 what yoda said to luke skywalker you
0:34:10 must forget what you know
0:34:12 so forget everything about identity
0:34:14 politics forget everything about
0:34:15 democrats trying to show their
0:34:17 affection for special interest groups
0:34:18 by just cutting them a check
0:34:21 like if you had a blank slate which i
0:34:22 think the democratic party kind of does
0:34:23 right now
0:34:25 if you were to propose a tax bill what
0:34:27 would be your core themes would it be
0:34:27 around
0:34:30 encouraging housing would it be around
0:34:32 capital formation would it be around
0:34:34 lowering tax rates and moving to a
0:34:36 flat tax but it’s non-negotiable these
0:34:37 tax rates are
0:34:39 non-negotiable for everybody everybody
0:34:42 if everybody paid about 24 percent in
0:34:44 tax corporations and individuals you’re
0:34:48 kind of done no deficits that’s it 24
0:34:50 percent i think most people would sign
0:34:53 up for that they go okay i’m down with
0:34:54 that if that’s going to give my kids a
0:34:56 better life and it’s simple and i don’t
0:34:58 have to deal with accountants and
0:35:01 taxation and you know just a postcard is
0:35:04 ross perrosa 0.24 times my top line
0:35:07 income boom we’re done and maybe it’s
0:35:09 zero anyone makes less than eighty
0:35:10 thousand dollars at zero two taxes
0:35:12 let you make less than eighty thousand
0:35:15 dollars at zero above eighty it’s 24
0:35:19 above 10 million it’s 64 i’m already
0:35:21 making it more complex than it needs to
0:35:23 be but we’d have to have someone from
0:35:25 the democratic side or a group of
0:35:27 democratic representatives say this is
0:35:30 our contract with america these are the
0:35:33 three things we’re focused on and try
0:35:34 and get away from the identity politics
0:35:36 and the hand-wringing over the trans
0:35:40 community or you know pronouns or just
0:35:43 okay we are totally focused on the
0:35:44 material and psychological well-being of
0:35:47 americans they’re very focused on their
0:35:51 economics i mean flat tax more housing
0:35:55 and socialization of medicine within 10
0:35:56 years everyone’s gonna have coverage
0:35:57 and no one’s ever gonna have to come out
0:35:59 of pocket more than a thousand dollars a
0:36:00 year you’re never gonna find out that
0:36:02 your wife has cancer and that means
0:36:03 you’re going bankrupt like whatever it is
0:36:05 i’m not saying those are even the right
0:36:07 things yeah foreign policy our foreign
0:36:09 policy is we’re gonna bring in really
0:36:11 fucking smart people to figure out these
0:36:13 complex problems but we’re not going to
0:36:14 dictate foreign policy right now around
0:36:17 what it means to be an american abroad
0:36:19 or maybe it’s the restoration of
0:36:22 alliances our job is to take advantage of
0:36:25 the unbelievable prosperity that we’ve
0:36:26 recognized through global trade we’re
0:36:28 going on a gigantic apology tour we’re
0:36:30 going to take down not only we’re going to
0:36:31 go anti-tariff we’re going to have bigger
0:36:34 bolder free trading zones around the world
0:36:36 biggest tax cut in history will be if we
0:36:38 kiss and make up with china there has to
0:36:41 be some ip protection but just as the cost
0:36:43 of clothes have been cut in half because
0:36:47 97 are imported into the u.s right let’s
0:36:50 get rid of this old stupid 1890s thinking
0:36:52 we’re going to have more global trade
0:36:54 shit’s going to get much cheaper for
0:36:57 americans and we’re going to try and
0:36:58 restore the alliance the greatest alliance
0:37:00 in history and that is between men and
0:37:02 women men have to stop this bullshit of
0:37:04 thinking that their struggles have come
0:37:05 because of the ascent of women this is
0:37:08 not a zero-sum game and women we need you
0:37:09 to stop saying that men don’t have
0:37:12 problems they are the problem we need men
0:37:14 and women to get on each other’s side
0:37:16 again i don’t know what it is alliances
0:37:19 housing an embrace of global trade i don’t
0:37:22 know three things but the democrats need to
0:37:24 say okay this is an etch-a-sketch and it’s
0:37:27 been shaken and it’s blank right now what
0:37:29 new lines do you want to draw and for god’s
0:37:33 sakes get it out there propose something and
0:37:35 get it out there such that we’re just not
0:37:37 all running around you know accusing trump of
0:37:40 being a fascist over and over like we have
0:37:43 to move to the positive part of this what are
0:37:46 our proposals what are our counter proposals and
0:37:48 the exciting thing is i don’t think we’re
0:37:50 renovating a house here i think the house is
0:37:52 burnt down i think the democratic party given
0:37:54 this move towards authoritarianism despite
0:37:56 that trump would be re-elected today
0:37:59 i think that if he was running against vice
0:38:01 president harris and the democratic
0:38:03 establishment i think he’d probably win
0:38:07 today so the democratic party is done as
0:38:10 we know it and the ideals and principles and
0:38:12 bench are really strong we have some outstanding
0:38:16 assets so what would we do new don’t even
0:38:18 mention trump’s name don’t even mention his
0:38:21 name hopefully he is an afterthought in
0:38:26 whatever goes on for 2028 anyway but it is it
0:38:29 seems to me that mentioning donald trump is
0:38:32 perhaps the quickest way to get people to turn
0:38:35 off but is at least in the top five in terms of
0:38:38 who they’re looking to support as a politician
0:38:41 or as a political party his people have already
0:38:43 made up their minds about him years and years and
0:38:47 years ago frankly and and you know to self-flagellate
0:38:50 you know we forced people back into his arms or we
0:38:54 made it a lot easier to go and do that in 2024 and
0:38:59 i think that if voters could see democrats at least
0:39:01 spitballing the way that you were so some of the
0:39:03 things that you said i like some of the things you
0:39:05 know i want to double tap on and push back i’m not a
0:39:08 big flat tax person but at least you’re having a
0:39:10 discussion about this and no one would penalize a
0:39:14 politician for showing up with a postcard that said an
0:39:18 economy that works for everyone decent health care that
0:39:22 isn’t going to bankrupt you an education system that works
0:39:25 right and then you build out the rest of it i think focusing on
0:39:29 domestic policy is the way to win a domestic election i think
0:39:32 that our alliances and partnerships abroad are
0:39:36 certainly important but people are most concerned with what’s
0:39:39 going on in their house right now that’s why they call them the
0:39:41 kitchen table issues like they’re going to get up
0:39:43 they’re going to go to work they’re going to think about how much
0:39:46 they’re being paid to do that work their kids are going to get up
0:39:48 and go to school they’re going to come home and they’re going to sit
0:39:50 around the dinner table and they’re going to think about what it is that
0:39:55 they’re having for dinner and if it was too expensive or cost the
0:39:58 right amount that’s basically what life looks like for the
0:40:03 average person and you are also describing a governor you are
0:40:09 describing someone who has worked in management and you can see the kind of
0:40:12 clarity that’s delivered in a speech by a jb pritzker
0:40:18 a westmore josh shapiro governor whitmer jared polis etc it doesn’t even
0:40:21 actually matter the topic that they’re discussing you know jared polis talking
0:40:25 about anti-semitism which is not going to be the lead issue or the lead
0:40:31 platform plank for someone running for president but there is a clarity that
0:40:36 comes with having to manage a state that you just don’t get from people that
0:40:39 give you know soaring speeches on the floor of congress because these people
0:40:43 have to get shit done they have to rebuild i-95 they have to repair a bridge
0:40:48 they have to bring a community back together after some lunatic anti-semite
0:40:57 is throwing flames on jews peacefully protesting so i i’m very much in on the
0:41:02 governor train right now and somebody declaring i i have a higher opinion i think
0:41:07 to some degree of what hakeem jeffries is doing than you do because keeping the
0:41:13 caucus together is difficult work i bet yeah that’s fair especially when you have
0:41:18 you know super conservative members of the caucus over to the aocs of the world
0:41:24 and democrats have at least been able to have a unified front and i i think that that matters
0:41:30 and especially in opposing legislation etc but uh point taken on all of those fronts
0:41:38 what are your thoughts on kilmar obrega garcia jess so i was pleased to see that he was returned
0:41:45 to face his day and quarter to get his due process um but was pretty disturbed by the indictment
0:41:50 that they had i don’t know if you saw pam bondy’s press conference about it so this all came together
0:41:56 and i think the grand jury met a couple of weeks ago but this indictment which was filed in
0:42:02 tennessee is absolutely scathing and alleges that he was engaged in smuggling men women and children
0:42:06 she also went off script and talked about all these things that he allegedly did that aren’t even in
0:42:11 the indictment like talking about murder and child pornography and you would think if that was true
0:42:18 that it would probably be in the indictment itself but now we have kind of like a mini fight within the
0:42:25 larger fight because kilmar obrega garcia’s lawyers have filed a contempt lawsuit against the
0:42:28 administration they’re sticking with it because it’s quite clear that they could have brought him
0:42:33 home months ago so it was three months ago that was he was mistakenly deported and i’m i’m using the
0:42:38 terms that they even used it was a mistake that he was sent then two months since the supreme court said
0:42:43 you need to facilitate his return and then they finally got around to it i think because public opinion
0:42:50 was so clear about this he may be an ms-13 member he may be the gangbanger that they said and not the
0:42:56 maryland dad but that people deserve their due process rights and it’s a lot different to deport
0:43:01 someone versus to put them in seacot right to put them in a foreign gulag where they may never see the
0:43:07 light of day again and i just wanted to bring up you know also about the indictment itself and that’s where
0:43:15 the next phase of this battle will be fought that a high-ranking prosecutor in tennessee this guy ben
0:43:22 schrader resigned over this indictment fearing that albergo garcia was being targeted for political
0:43:27 reasons so this isn’t just someone claiming that he’s turned into a political pawn or a target it’s
0:43:33 somebody who has worked within the federal government for a long time saying that that is the case
0:43:39 and not to get too nitty-gritty but this is going back to a 2022 incident where he was pulled over
0:43:46 he had many passengers in the car he was driving them to a construction site in maryland he told
0:43:52 authorities at the time that they had originated in texas the current government pam bondy’s doj is denying
0:43:58 that that was ever stated at the time so there’s a lot of fuzziness around this but the big flashing
0:44:03 red light to me is this prosecutor resigning over it and i don’t know if that means that albergo
0:44:11 garcia ends up going free and it’s all totally fine but it seems like the trump administration
0:44:19 needed to find a solution or save face after they’ve been humiliated on so many fronts when it comes to
0:44:26 immigration and that they may have and let this play out but they may have created a scenario that
0:44:31 isn’t particularly accurate yeah i’m trying to think of someone who’s been more politicized than this
0:44:39 young man i just he’s now got essentially the department of justice which has been weaponized
0:44:46 against him and an entire administration is who’s not does not shy away from lying or i would imagine
0:44:52 recasting evidence they feel as if their whole reputation around this issue is showing that he’s
0:44:58 evil and finding a way to put him in prison for longer so yeah yeah politicization is an understatement
0:45:05 here do you think it was a mistake to make this case as big of a deal as the democrats did because
0:45:10 that is a discussion that’s still going on internally like if it does end up that this quote-unquote
0:45:18 maryland dad you know is a human smuggler or whatever and god forbid the child porn stuff is true
0:45:25 any of it do you think it was a waste of capital because i don’t and i think that going for due
0:45:30 process is what matters the most no matter who he turns out to be and that we have a higher chance
0:45:36 of getting people like andre hernandez the gay makeup artist who’s also in el salvador the venezuelan
0:45:42 back if there’s a precedent that they can get people out of secot but i do understand the flip side
0:45:47 argument as well that if we’re talking about him we’re not talking about tariffs yeah i think it’s an
0:45:53 interesting point because the way you grab people’s emotions is you humanize it with individual stories
0:45:58 but that’s a risk i would have stuck to just probably habeas corpus and i’m not sure i would
0:46:04 have gone down there but i think they should have just stuck with look there’s just the definition of
0:46:09 a concentration camp is lifting people out of their one region sending them to another one such that
0:46:14 they don’t have the protections and rights that they had and domestically we should not have
0:46:19 concentration camps and everyone needs to be brought back and for due process i just would
0:46:25 have stuck with that argument and list people and maybe reference them and individuals and the most
0:46:31 obvious ones are the most blatant ones but to pin your hopes on one person i mean if this guy has done
0:46:37 half of what they say he’s done it could backfire and i wouldn’t even engage in the argument yeah maybe
0:46:43 he is guilty of all these things we’ll find out the constitution is clear it says persons not citizens
0:46:53 and an underpinning of our judicial system is the following we purposely decide to err on the side of
0:47:01 occasionally letting someone guilty go free as opposed to incarcerating innocent people yeah so that means we go
0:47:08 through incredible expense and provide some people who are awful with rights at the time that feel like
0:47:15 unfair to the victims or to safety but that is the approach we’ve taken to national security and if we
0:47:22 want to have a different approach where okay innocent people end up in prison innocent people end up
0:47:28 incarcerated without due process with no access to their family perhaps even shipped to different black sites
0:47:34 their concentration camps all right vote for those people but the current constitution does not allow
0:47:40 for that i’m not sure i worry that we’ve we’ve doubled down too much on an individual’s background that we
0:47:47 don’t know that much about or that the government using their synchronicity with fox news and different
0:47:56 conservative media outlets and doctoring of photos over tattoos is going to be able to just say hey we should
0:48:01 have left them down there look at you guys are wrong this is a bad hombre that’s not the argument the
0:48:07 argument is we take the worst people and we give them due process and habeas corpus because we want
0:48:13 everyone to have access to that so yeah we’ll see how it plays out but this is you’ve always said
0:48:19 correctly i was watching on the five that this is still his most popular issue or the issue he has the
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0:51:20 welcome back one of the most powerful alliances in american politics just blew up spectacularly
0:51:27 donald trump and elon musk once political partners and mutual hype men are now trading insults threats
0:51:33 and even conspiracy theories in a very public very messy breakup it started with musk blasting trump’s
0:51:39 gop-backed mega bill as a disgusting abomination uh i think he said pork field disgusting abomination
0:51:45 which by the way just is the new au d’oeuvre at tgi fridays uh trump hit back saying he was
0:51:50 very disappointed and floated cutting musk’s massive federal contracts musk escalated claiming
0:51:59 trump is in the epstein files oh there we go that was the best it escalated to pedophile in like four
0:52:05 minutes that’s right yeah and even reposted calls for impeachment before deleting them days later meanwhile
0:52:11 vice president jd vance tried to play peacemaker saying musk’s criticisms were understandable but that
0:52:16 his loyalty still lies with trump she’s like did you sell more mealing mouth the online war briefly
0:52:21 paused after intermediaries from both camps reportedly got on the phone but the damage appears to be done
0:52:26 this just isn’t about ecos though just the fallout threatens major legislation billions in government
0:52:31 contracts and the balance of power in the gop just as trump pushes for his biggest domestic win yet
0:52:37 jess is this feud really about the mega bill and government contracts or is it about something else what
0:52:43 are your thoughts i think it’s about both um and everything is tied together um when you’re dealing
0:52:50 with the president and his co-president for a time you know there’s the money of this which matters a huge
0:52:58 amount you know tesla is not tesla without those ev credits and i think musk did a lot of the democrats
0:53:06 messaging work to say things like well you didn’t touch oil and gas so why are you coming after clean
0:53:14 energy you know in some ways this happens regularly but your opponent gives you some good tips on how to
0:53:20 message about these things when they have a a break and are morally clear out loud every once in a while
0:53:26 and i think like write that down there’s that great snl skit there’s a melissa mccarthy one from years
0:53:30 ago it’s about hidden valley ranch everyone should go watch it it’s very funny but she keeps saying
0:53:35 like write that down write that down and as musk is talking i’m saying like write that down write that
0:53:42 down you know because somebody that’s on the inside is exposed to things that we haven’t been necessarily
0:53:49 as the formal opposition and if it’s something that’s affecting elon musk it’s affecting other republicans
0:53:54 as well that there are other people within the party or in the gop infrastructure who are thinking
0:54:03 similarly so i’m team ro kanna on the engaging elon musk i don’t think that we are in a position to write
0:54:11 off anybody that might help us defeat this bill or win future elections and it does seem like the
0:54:18 protests in los angeles has kind of brought trump and musk together a little bit you see musk
0:54:23 posting on twitter you know that it’s a good thing that the troops are there and oh my god i can’t
0:54:28 believe that you know cars are on fire they’re waving mexican flags etc so i think it’s doing some of the
0:54:34 the repair work uh that musk decided that he wanted but trump wasn’t necessarily ready to talk which i think
0:54:41 is so funny just in terms of the breakup vibes of it all but what really stuck out to me i guess is
0:54:50 twofold so one that they both think the other is completely depraved right elon musk at core thinks
0:54:56 that trump is a pedophile right someone who’s on the epstein list was happy to be engaging in that
0:55:04 kind of behavior and trump when pushed thinks that elon musk is a drug addict who isn’t making good
0:55:11 decisions but they’ll come together for the purposes of accumulating power no matter the circumstance and
0:55:16 that is the lesson in all of this i know politics makes strange bedfellows but i like to think that
0:55:23 if you believed somebody was doing it with 14 year old girls that you probably wouldn’t want to be
0:55:29 in political bed with them and that if you thought that someone else was really losing it and couldn’t
0:55:34 get through the day without being on ketamine that you wouldn’t want to put them essentially in charge
0:55:41 of government or giving them such a big job so that was one lesson from it and the other lesson of this
0:55:48 for me is that donald trump is really scared of elon musk so his response was so much more muted
0:55:56 than we have seen in the past when someone pisses him off let alone someone turning against him that has
0:56:01 that much access to power and that he felt was that close to him you know having him in the oval having
0:56:06 the mar-a-lago bringing his kids around etc or kid i should say only one of them gets to come out in
0:56:15 public and so you could see that that anxiety about what musk could do from you know funding challengers
0:56:21 to the republican party to you know what he could do in space that he could turn off the grid right like
0:56:28 this guy has immense power and he needs the government contracts which is trump’s card to play
0:56:35 but he seemed genuinely petrified of what a life with elon musk against you looks like
0:56:42 um if this thing were any gayer it’d be a show on bravo sponsored by grinder
0:56:50 i i just can’t get over what total bitches these two are and i say bitch androgynously as people
0:56:59 acting like total children and not like grown-ups i think this is so embarrassing that these are the
0:57:04 two individuals that the majority of young people are supposed to look up to the president and the
0:57:10 world’s wealthiest man it has nothing to do with the bill um musk knew about this bill if musk gave
0:57:17 a good goddamn about the deficit and this pork he wouldn’t be recommending that we cut 40 to 50 percent
0:57:23 of the irs i mean there’s there’s estimates that there’s a 600 billion dollar a year tax gap and that
0:57:29 is our inability because of the neutering of the irs our inability to actually collect the taxes that
0:57:35 are owed so the notion somehow that he just can’t handle the deficit and what’s happening to our
0:57:43 country that is so fucking ridiculous um he kind of got what he wanted they have neutered and basically
0:57:48 fired every inspector general that’s going to get in the way of his autonomous driving regulations or
0:57:56 any case against him has kind of magically gone away so the notion that somehow he’s just outraged about
0:58:03 the bill oh and that he just figured out that epstein was guilty of sex crimes on an island
0:58:09 a jury of trump’s peers found that he was guilty of sex crimes on an island called manhattan
0:58:16 what he didn’t know that like he just figured that out that this guy has a past that is really
0:58:22 unsavory but he decided to work with him when he’d been convicted of sexual assault but now he’s just
0:58:28 he’s outraged by the pork in this bill and he’s upset at trump’s past and then trump goes
0:58:35 immediately to let’s deport him let’s cut his subsidies and it’s just you know when i think of
0:58:42 what it means to aggregate power one of the real opportunities and signals that you’ve attained power
0:58:49 in a thoughtful high integrity way is that you get to be a peacemaker your job is to de-escalate
0:58:55 if you have real skills on a board of directors you’re asked to mediate between the rest of the
0:59:00 board and the ceo and the president of the united states more than any individual in the world is
0:59:06 asked to step in and de-escalate conflicts that could ratchet up to nuclear war naturally when
0:59:12 pakistan and india get into border skirmishes it could go a very ugly place usually you think of
0:59:17 bringing in the secretary of state of the united states under the auspices of the president to try and
0:59:21 de-escalate that this person has the most skills and the most resources and the most respect globally
0:59:28 to de-escalate to turn the heat down and we no longer occupy that position when these two get into
0:59:37 this ridiculous love quarrel that’s how i can see it musk wants trump’s relevance and trump wants musk’s
0:59:43 cults or vice versa and the fact that they would immediately digress to these types of personal
0:59:50 statements and indictments against each other is just evidence that neither commands the position
0:59:57 they occupy and it’s just such a bad look it’s it’s with the war between musk and trump reminds me of the
1:00:03 war between iran and iraq and that is i’m rooting for the bullets i gotta be honest i’m enjoying it
1:00:10 and unfortunately it’s a distraction from this tax bill which is a transfer of wealth from poor to rich
1:00:18 young to old future to past but trump is scared of the guy because musk was correct he probably got
1:00:26 trump elected he probably swung the congress to the republicans so musk can rightfully claim credit
1:00:34 or is responsible and accountable for what’s going on right now because he did weaponize his platform
1:00:41 quarter of a billion dollars he probably did have a big impact on the election which speaks to god we
1:00:48 need some sort of reform around citizens united or i mean we we really can’t have one person electing
1:00:53 the president and then that person wanted to be president i think what really happened here
1:00:58 is he wanted more input on his nasa pick he wanted to be involved in the pick for the cia
1:01:05 but sent said no you don’t get to pick the new head of the irs he wanted to be in on china briefings
1:01:11 he basically wants to be an unelected president and a lot of his cabinet members threw up on that
1:01:18 supposedly there was actually a physical altercation between him and besant right and also the thing
1:01:22 that kind of explains a lot of this is that according to the new york times the wall street journal
1:01:30 elon musk is a rabid drug addict and i don’t know if you’ve ever had a drug addict in your life i have
1:01:39 it is striking i mean it is sort of unbelievable what inconsistencies irrationality weirdness
1:01:44 ability to lie through the teeth through the people they love most in the world
1:01:51 can happen when drugs take over i mean you lose your shit and if you look at what this guy is tweeting
1:01:56 out and then in a moment of sobriety deleting yeah that’s what we’re dealing with here we’re dealing
1:02:04 with children this is bad for both of them they both lose i think musk to a certain extent is doing
1:02:10 what a lot of ceos would like to do and that is just hit back but elon musk doesn’t need the money
1:02:15 he’s got control of his board it doesn’t matter that he lost 150 billion dollars and tesla market
1:02:20 cap in one day because he controls the board he doesn’t need more money he’s not scared of his board
1:02:25 every other ceo would probably get fired if they did this they’d be like look good for you i hope that
1:02:33 was fun but our stock’s off 14 today because you can’t hold your tongue so this is it’s it’s theater
1:02:38 but you come out of the theater just thinking oh wow god do i feel nauseous what a waste of two and a
1:02:45 half hours yeah what a waste what a waste of drama here i do think that part of what we are seeing on
1:02:51 musk not to give him too much emotional credibility is his disappointment for the way government works
1:03:00 and the realities of what’s happening within the government itself so he was angry rightfully so
1:03:05 that they were only going to codify nine billion dollars in the quote-unquote savings that he found
1:03:12 and i think it is important that a doge employee who has been doged himself said quote i personally
1:03:17 was pretty surprised actually at how efficient the government was fraud was minimal and abuse was
1:03:25 quote relatively non-existent so i think that you know musk came in with this vision of what it was
1:03:32 going to be like and that he and trump were partners and that everyone really believed in doge and they
1:03:38 were going to do their best to make sure that these cuts were codified and he faced resistance internally
1:03:45 in some cases from the other cabinet secretaries the courts certainly but then also the fact that the
1:03:52 government is much more efficient than anyone expected and that is a very difficult needle to thread
1:03:59 for the democrats because nobody wants to hear actually that this enormous behemoth of a federal government
1:04:04 is uh doing as good as possible or as well as possible i should say my english should be better
1:04:12 but i think that that is an important component to the breakdown that he had frankly that he you know
1:04:21 walked into a pretty well humming machine and then was minimized by the man that promised him the world
1:04:28 and that he paid 294 million dollars or whatever it was to get elected you know i love that i think
1:04:33 it’s a buddha saying that the man with good health has thousands of problems and the man with bad health
1:04:39 has one problem actually is that appropriate here basically i’m trying to get to there are so many
1:04:47 injustices just flying under the radar right now because of the weirdness and economic threat and usurp of
1:04:52 congressional power that we’re missing a lot of stuff that is in my opinion just so outrageous and i was
1:05:00 especially incensed by something that happened last week the first week of pride month i don’t know if
1:05:08 you’re familiar with harvey milk yeah harvey milk uh served in the korean war he went on to be an
1:05:13 elected u.s supervisor that one of the first openly gay elected officials in america he served his country
1:05:19 and his reviews in his military record he actually worked on a submarine he was promoted his reviews say he was
1:05:26 outstanding he was promoted to officer and then in 1954 he was outed as gay and was given a decision
1:05:32 by his superiors to either resign from the military with less than honorable discharge or some weird
1:05:39 thing that basically is not an honorable discharge or face court martial and so he decided to resign from
1:05:47 the military forego all of his military benefits and then went on to be an activist and was the first
1:05:52 openly gay elected official or one of the first in san francisco to the board of supervisors which
1:05:58 provides huge comfort to i think a lot of a lot of gay people who thought that they were never going to
1:06:06 have real robust representations he was as i like to say he was gay before it was cool he was out when it
1:06:13 was a real risk to your reputation and your personal safety and he was murdered along with mayor bill
1:06:20 musconi by actually a fellow supervisor and the u.s navy they put in a request there’s a process for
1:06:26 putting in a request to name a ship so they put in a request in 2017 that harvey milk uh and some small
1:06:33 nod to his service in his memory that they name a ship after him so they named the usns harvey milk
1:06:40 that was christened in 2021 and just a nod to the the inclusivity that the armed services are known for
1:06:52 and secretary hegseth decides the first week of pride month to rename that ship which is just a such a
1:07:00 giant unnecessary fuck you to the gay community it’s not only cruel and unnecessary it’s really fucking
1:07:09 stupid because we are in an environment right now where 70 of the men who show up to a services recruiting
1:07:18 office do not qualify to be a private in the army because they are either obese or can’t pass a basic
1:07:26 mental wellness test and we want to say to america of which most surveys show somewhere between five and
1:07:33 eight percent of america identifies as gay that you can come here serve proudly and if by chance you get
1:07:41 something named after you by chance you get a medal the moment we let far-right weirdos whose heart is full of
1:07:50 hate they might embarrass your your descendants and pull your name off as shit it is it’s not only stupid it
1:07:57 makes us less safe and as somebody who interacts with our service personnel all the time and you know
1:08:02 i don’t know how to i don’t know how to say this without sounding stupid some of my best friends are gay
1:08:07 i’m pretty sure gay people are just as good at defending our borders and killing people as straight people
1:08:15 i have seen no difference in their ability or their skills to serve on the ground to be paratroopers or to be
1:08:20 fixing planes i have never seen i don’t by the way i don’t think they’re any better at it but i’m pretty
1:08:26 sure they’re not any worse at it and so when you say to a population a huge population in america you
1:08:33 really aren’t welcome to serve it degrades our ability to defend our shores and kill bad guys
1:08:40 it’s just so stupid and i i don’t want to i want to move away from the democratic playbook of moral
1:08:48 indignation here but unnecessarily unrequested pulling someone’s name off an unimportant ship
1:08:56 under the auspices of trying to restore he says this notion of a warrior mentality what what the yeah
1:09:00 it flies in the face of the argument that they’re making which is we don’t care who you are as long
1:09:05 as you’re good at your job well guess what harvey milk was good at his job and he happened to be gay
1:09:12 so i mean and they did point out that the timing was intentional you know they’re not embarrassed
1:09:20 of doing these kinds of things and i’m glad to see that recruitment is up i think it’s important
1:09:26 etc and this was a trend that started before trump came in to office but it has accelerated and the
1:09:33 cruelty is the point it’s always the point this is cruel and it’s dumb and it shines a very negative light
1:09:38 on the way that our armed services are being run cruel and dumb let’s leave it there all right
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