0:00:04 Hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferriss. Welcome to another episode of
0:00:10 The Tim Ferriss Show. This time around, we have a different format from my normal long-form
0:00:15 interviews. You can find 800 plus of those at tim.blog slash podcast. But this time around,
0:00:19 I thought I would do something very self-serving. There’s something on my mind.
0:00:27 As we head into the new year, many of us, me too, feel like we’re drowning in invisible complexity,
0:00:34 or perhaps we simplified and simplified, but lo and behold, without fail, complexity starts to
0:00:38 creep back in. This happens, right? It’s like going to the gym. You can’t just go once. You need to
0:00:46 constantly refine and revert to simplify, simplify, simplify. So I wanted to hit pause on long-form
0:00:51 interviews. We’ll have more coming, but ask a simple question. What are the one to three decisions that I
0:00:58 could make that would dramatically simplify my life in 2026, this upcoming year, right? In January,
0:01:03 hopefully. To explore that, I invited three close friends and long-time listener favorites, Derek
0:01:10 Sivers, Seth Godin, and Martha Beck, to share what they have done in their lives that has worked already.
0:01:15 So from Derek Sivers, you’ll learn how Derek uses a radical approach to living from first principles
0:01:21 instead of default settings. From Seth Godin, how a handful of hard rules can turn a messy professional
0:01:27 life into something simple and focused on your best work. And from Martha Beck, how making one radical
0:01:33 commitment forced her through growing pains, but led to a vastly simpler life built around peace and
0:01:39 meaning. And if you like this episode, I’ll do more of these because certainly I want to beg,
0:01:45 borrow, and steal from people like Derek, Seth, and Martha. And I’ve applied this a lot in my own life.
0:01:51 In 2020, I used a guiding tenet that I learned, really polished, I would say, from two other podcast
0:01:58 guests, Greg McKeown, author of Essentialism, and Jim Collins, author of many, many mega bestsellers.
0:02:04 And here it is. Look for single decisions that remove hundreds or thousands of other decisions.
0:02:10 This was one of the most important lessons that Jim, Jim Collins, learned from legendary management
0:02:17 theorist, Peter Drucker, also an amazing author in his own right, the effective executive, I still
0:02:23 recommend to anyone and everyone. As Jim recounted on our first podcast, and I’ll quote here,
0:02:27 don’t make a hundred decisions when one will do. Peter believed that you tend to think that you’re
0:02:33 making a lot of different decisions, but then actually, if you kind of strip it away, you begin to
0:02:38 realize that a whole lot of decisions that look like different decisions are really part of the same
0:02:45 category of decision. And I’ve applied this in my own life in a lot of different places. So my startup
0:02:52 vacation slash retirement that I took from 2015 to 2018, I asked myself across the board, yet again,
0:02:58 what can I categorically and completely remove, even temporarily, to create space for seeing the
0:03:05 bigger picture, exploring, finding gems. I’ve applied that to doing no public speaking for years at a time.
0:03:13 In 2020, for instance, I committed to not reading any new books whatsoever, which I extended indefinitely.
0:03:18 And you can read about that decision, which talks about some of the principles involved also at
0:03:25 tim.blog slash new books. That single decision solved what seemed like maybe a dozen disparate,
0:03:33 time-consuming problems. And I’m looking for more of those. So without further ado, please enjoy now
0:03:36 tips and stories from Derek, Seth, and Martha.
0:03:43 Optimal minimal. At this altitude, I can run flat out for a half mile before my hands start shaking.
0:03:45 Can I ask you a personal question?
0:03:47 Now would have seen an appropriate time.
0:03:48 What if I did the opposite?
0:03:52 I’m a cybernetic organism living tissue over a metal endoskeleton.
0:04:06 Hi, I’m Derek Sivers, and I’m fascinated with the implications of simplicity.
0:04:15 Most people don’t want a simple life. They want an easy life. But a simple life can be hard.
0:04:20 My life changed when I learned what simple really means.
0:04:25 Simple comes from simplex, the opposite of complex.
0:04:30 Complex comes from complex, the verb that means to intertwine.
0:04:34 This is important. Remember this, dear listener.
0:04:40 Your life is complex when it is intertwined with dependencies.
0:04:44 You are depending on things, and things are depending on you.
0:04:49 Your life is simple when it is not complex.
0:04:53 It’s not intertwined with other things.
0:04:56 But that means depending on less.
0:05:01 Notice how easy it was to make your life complex.
0:05:03 Just say, sign me up.
0:05:04 Just click, buy now.
0:05:06 Just say, you’re hired.
0:05:10 Congratulations, you just made your life easier.
0:05:14 But now, it’s objectively more complex.
0:05:29 Untangling that means quitting, firing, unsubscribing, uninstalling, disconnecting, breaking ties, breaking commitments, and getting rid of a lot of the things you own.
0:05:37 And hardest of all, it means letting go of big parts of your identity.
0:05:40 No more Superman self-image.
0:05:44 It’s admitting you can’t do it all.
0:05:47 You’ll disappoint people that depend on you.
0:05:51 You’ll say no to almost everything.
0:05:53 It’s kind of a sad mantra.
0:05:56 No, no, no.
0:05:58 No, sorry.
0:06:00 No, no.
0:06:05 But maybe you don’t really want a simple life.
0:06:09 Maybe your deepest joy comes from all your entanglements.
0:06:11 Friends who depend on you.
0:06:17 Services and subscriptions and assistants and pets and tools of titans that make your life easier.
0:06:30 You probably have a career, and a spouse, and a child, and a hobby, and a pet, and a home, and I doubt you want to get rid of all but one of those.
0:06:35 So, you have different aspects, and that’s that.
0:06:40 But you can still simplify your life within each identity.
0:06:44 Instead of intertwining them, untangle them and keep them separate.
0:06:48 When focused on one, give it your full attention and make the rest disappear.
0:06:51 Like in my case, when I’m with my boy, my phone is off.
0:06:58 I’m unreachable, and if I think of anything else, then like meditation, I let it go, and I bring my full attention back to him.
0:07:04 Within each of your aspects, you can be temporarily simple.
0:07:09 Your phone is the enemy of this, since it intertwines everything.
0:07:12 Anyway, enough preface.
0:07:17 Tim, you asked for my three major simplifications.
0:07:21 Number one, no subscriptions.
0:07:23 No Spotify.
0:07:24 No Netflix.
0:07:25 No memberships.
0:07:27 No monthly obligations.
0:07:28 No mortgage.
0:07:29 No employees.
0:07:30 No team.
0:07:31 No publisher.
0:07:33 No contracts.
0:07:37 Nobody depending on me, except my boy.
0:07:39 We all draw the line somewhere.
0:07:43 Number two, programming.
0:07:49 For me, this was huge, but most of your audience can’t relate, so I’ll make this quick for my fellow programmers.
0:07:55 I simplified my computer programming code so it has no dependencies, no external libraries.
0:07:59 If something really matters to me, I code it myself.
0:08:06 If I don’t want to code it myself, then it must not be that important, and I do without it.
0:08:17 It’s harder up front to make what I need, but long term, it makes everything objectively simpler, easier to understand, maintain, and change.
0:08:22 Long term, it feels better, and feelings matter.
0:08:26 To my fellow programmers listening, go find my code on GitHub and email me if you want.
0:08:28 I love talking tech.
0:08:32 Number three, building a house from scratch.
0:08:37 I mentioned this briefly on our last podcast, and I got so many emails about it.
0:08:42 I didn’t like living in existing houses full of shit I don’t need.
0:08:48 So, I bought a piece of off-grid land in the forest in New Zealand.
0:08:54 Then my son and I started living full-time in a tiny cabin there to see what we really need.
0:08:59 Starting from scratch makes you question the necessity of everything.
0:09:01 Do I really need lights?
0:09:03 Do I really need curtains?
0:09:06 Do I really need a kitchen?
0:09:08 Do I really need an indoor bathroom?
0:09:16 Instead of assuming I do, I try living without it in practice, instead of just in theory.
0:09:23 It’s no by default, and a very reluctant yes, only when proven to be necessary.
0:09:31 In all three of my examples here, life would be easier up front if I said yes instead of no.
0:09:37 But long-term, my life is objectively simpler without them.
0:09:41 Less comforts, but less complexity.
0:09:46 Less dependencies, less obligations, less to maintain.
0:09:48 Easier to change.
0:09:50 Like a hermit crab.
0:09:55 The less you’re bound to, the easier it is to grow.
0:09:58 It’s thinking long-term versus short-term.
0:10:01 Deep happy versus shallow happy.
0:10:09 It makes me deeply happy to shed some comforts in return for a simple life, simple code, simple home.
0:10:16 It’s easy at first to make your life complex, but it’s a long-term trap.
0:10:29 It’s hard at first to make your life simple, but it’s a deeper long-term benefit for the peace of mind, self-reliance, control, and freedom to change.
0:10:33 Hey, it’s Seth Godin.
0:10:39 I’m an author of 21 Best Sellers, a daily blogger, an entrepreneur, and a teacher.
0:10:46 And I’m thrilled to be with you today talking about the hard work of simplifying.
0:10:53 I start with the idea that it’s hard work, because if it was easy, you would have done it already.
0:11:03 We are surrounded by systems, invisible systems, persistent systems, systems that push us to be stuck where we are.
0:11:11 And if we’re going to leverage our agency, take advantage of our freedom, and change the systems around us,
0:11:15 it helps to begin by acknowledging it’s not easy.
0:11:19 So, there are a few things that I would like to share.
0:11:23 Simple ways to simplify, but they weren’t easy.
0:11:25 The first one is this.
0:11:31 Real clarity about what it’s for, and who it’s for.
0:11:33 Particularly the who.
0:11:34 Start with who.
0:11:37 This work you are doing.
0:11:39 Who is it trying to please?
0:11:43 If you’re trying to make the stock price go up, make the stock price go up.
0:11:50 But don’t be surprised that the kid down the street isn’t impressed with what you do for a living.
0:11:59 If you are writing something for people who speak English, don’t be upset if someone who speaks Italian can’t read what you wrote.
0:12:09 Make hard decisions, difficult choices, about who it’s for, and then ignore everyone else.
0:12:18 So, if you write a book, and someone gives you a one-star review on Amazon, they are telling you nothing about how good the book is.
0:12:21 All they’re telling you all they’re telling you is that it wasn’t for them.
0:12:23 No reason to read that.
0:12:27 They weren’t on your list of who it’s for.
0:12:35 Again and again, when I come back to the discipline of being clear about who I am here to serve,
0:12:41 I can then highlight whether I’ve made a good decision or not about that who,
0:12:43 and then I can go back to work.
0:12:49 Number two, finding clarity about the gray areas.
0:12:57 Because it’s when there are gray areas, when we have to constantly analyze left or right, up or down,
0:13:01 a little bit more, or a little bit less, things get complicated.
0:13:03 I begin with this.
0:13:06 Budgets and deadlines.
0:13:08 Choose to be a professional.
0:13:11 Never go over budget.
0:13:13 Never miss a deadline.
0:13:15 That’s simple.
0:13:19 When you run out of money, or you run out of time, you’re done.
0:13:26 You don’t have to wheedle, or plead, or negotiate, or rob Peter to pay Paul.
0:13:31 When you run out of money, or you run out of time, you’re done.
0:13:38 This makes you much more focused when you accept a budget, when you accept a deadline.
0:13:39 Because you have a code.
0:13:42 You’re not going to miss either one.
0:13:46 Second, yeses and noes.
0:13:48 Make your yes mean yes.
0:13:50 Make your no mean no.
0:13:56 Say your no quite clearly, without offending people, but with clarity.
0:13:57 Get it over with.
0:14:00 No, I won’t be able to do that.
0:14:03 Yes, I can take this on.
0:14:10 When we are clear about what’s a yes and what’s a no, life gets much simpler.
0:14:12 It doesn’t get easier.
0:14:16 It’s easier to just sort of waffle your way through and see what happens.
0:14:24 But with the simplicity comes leverage, comes clarity, and then we can get to work.
0:14:27 The third one, a tiny one.
0:14:31 Don’t go to a meeting if a memo will suffice.
0:14:35 In big organizations, this can save you 30 hours a week.
0:14:41 But even as a soloist, as a freelancer, it forces us into clarity.
0:14:44 Say what you need to say and move on.
0:14:45 Conversations are great.
0:14:47 I’m in favor of conversations.
0:14:48 But meetings?
0:14:51 Meetings almost always make things complicated.
0:14:59 And the last one I’ll share with you is personal time boundaries, which is a version of budgets and deadlines.
0:15:02 We make a promise to ourselves.
0:15:05 When are we on the hook for work and when are we not?
0:15:13 You can’t shortcut your way to success by spending more time than everyone else.
0:15:15 You’re going to run out of time anyway.
0:15:22 So when I add all this up, it means no social media unless it serves the project.
0:15:28 No reading of reviews unless you’re doing it in a way that’s going to make your work actually better.
0:15:34 Don’t take a gig where you can’t do a good job and be happy about doing it.
0:15:38 And tell the same story to everyone.
0:15:42 It makes it much easier to keep your life organized.
0:15:44 And that makes it simple.
0:15:53 We have plenty of horsepower, plenty of ideas, plenty of energy to do extraordinary work.
0:15:57 But then the systems make things complicated.
0:16:02 Resist the easy path of making it more complicated.
0:16:05 When you make it simple, you put yourself on the hook.
0:16:12 On the hook to show up, to do what you said you were going to do, and to do it with grace and care.
0:16:15 Work that matters for people who care.
0:16:16 Here’s the thing.
0:16:19 Nobody signs up for a complicated life.
0:16:26 Nobody signs up to find themselves wasting a lot of time in a swamp of complications.
0:16:31 We get there drip by drip, bit by bit, compromise by compromise.
0:16:37 We get there trying to play it safe, spreading things out instead of being specific.
0:16:44 So, a few really specific examples from me, so you can think about the ramifications and
0:16:47 repercussions of deciding to play it simple.
0:16:50 For example, I don’t go to meetings.
0:16:53 I don’t watch television on my own.
0:16:55 I don’t look at Facebook or Twitter.
0:17:01 If you get rid of these four things, how many hours a day would be freed up?
0:17:03 It would make your life simpler.
0:17:10 Also, the stakes would be much higher because you’d have to put yourself on the hook for
0:17:17 specific things, things you got great at because of the things you just gave up.
0:17:21 Or, figuring out what you stand for.
0:17:26 When I got to business school, I looked at the cases that they were giving people.
0:17:30 There were about eight pages of prose and eight pages of spreadsheets.
0:17:37 And I realized professors needed to have students who, when they called on them to analyze the
0:17:43 case, would give them the kind of feedback that they needed to keep the discussion going.
0:17:50 So, I decided on that first day to simplify my life and never do a spreadsheet.
0:17:55 That if a professor called on me and asked me for a numerical analysis, I would simply say,
0:17:57 I didn’t have one.
0:18:02 It wouldn’t take long for professors to realize that they could embarrass me if they wanted to,
0:18:04 but then the class wouldn’t flow.
0:18:10 But in exchange for that simplification, I had to be really ready and really good at coming up
0:18:16 with something useful for the prose section, something that would be referred to at least
0:18:18 twice through the rest of the discussion.
0:18:26 By focusing on that, by simplifying, I put myself on the hook and it ended up becoming part of what
0:18:27 I stood for.
0:18:32 Same thing with building a reputation for doing offbeat sort of book projects.
0:18:37 At the same time saying, I will never miss a deadline and I will never go over budget.
0:18:42 Made my life simpler, but it also made it a bit scarier.
0:18:44 One more example.
0:18:45 Also very prosaic.
0:18:48 Makes things simpler and makes things harder.
0:18:53 When I give presentations, and I’ve given more than a thousand of them around the world,
0:18:58 I have a very specific rider about how I do it.
0:19:01 I don’t change the rules.
0:19:05 I don’t have a discussion with the client saying, do you want me to do it this way or do you want
0:19:06 me to do it that way?
0:19:09 My friend Simon Sinek, he shows up, he wants a flip pad.
0:19:15 Me, I show up and I say, I will not work in the round because no audience member has ever
0:19:17 said, oh, it was great that way.
0:19:18 I got to see their back half the time.
0:19:22 And I always use the same tech setup.
0:19:23 Why?
0:19:26 It’s not because I don’t like exploring new ideas.
0:19:33 It’s because by simplifying the way I do one thing, I open the door to make other things
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0:22:24 Hi, I’m Martha Beck.
0:22:27 I’m an author, a coach, podcaster, mom.
0:22:34 And I’m here to tell you about one decision that radically simplified my entire life.
0:22:40 It also helped me create this deep sense of meaning and purpose and peace that I can always
0:22:41 access now.
0:22:43 So I highly recommend it.
0:22:46 It started when I was 29 years old.
0:22:55 I made a decision to follow the experience of joy above all other factors or considerations.
0:22:59 I don’t just mean any positive feeling.
0:23:00 Like, we can feel happy.
0:23:06 We can feel up when we’re manic, when we’re on drugs, when we buy something that we don’t
0:23:07 need and get a dopamine hit.
0:23:14 In fact, almost all the things that we turn to to feel better create that jolt of dopamine
0:23:17 and other hormones in the brain that we come to crave.
0:23:24 And then we have to do more and more and more to feel as happy as we did the first time we
0:23:24 did that.
0:23:27 So that’s not really functional.
0:23:36 What I’m talking about is a sort of quiet release that resonates through every aspect of our nervous
0:23:37 systems.
0:23:42 When we connect with it, all our muscles relax.
0:23:43 And you can’t fake that.
0:23:49 When you think of somebody you love and you hold their image in your mind, your muscles will
0:23:52 relax as long as there’s no argument going on.
0:23:59 And we may breathe more deeply, especially exhaling, like that sigh of relief.
0:24:05 We may smile spontaneously, even if there’s nobody there to see it.
0:24:08 And we feel a sense of lifting or opening.
0:24:13 It is a physical and emotional sense of freedom.
0:24:22 So once I’d made this decision to follow only that sensation, my way of charting a course through
0:24:25 life became really radically simplified.
0:24:28 It wasn’t always easy, but it was very simple.
0:24:33 So the only rule was, if it feels like true joy, go toward it.
0:24:37 If it feels like misery and pain, go away from it.
0:24:38 And here’s the kicker.
0:24:41 No matter what.
0:24:47 So I began following this credo, and it was like playing a game of, you’re getting warmer,
0:24:48 you’re getting cooler.
0:24:51 If it’s more like joy, I’m getting warmer.
0:24:55 If it’s less like joy, if it’s more tense, I’m getting cooler.
0:25:02 And I found that even when something felt daunting or frightening, it was clear and simple.
0:25:06 You need a bit of practice to access the sensations.
0:25:14 But once you get there, if you can feel any trace of joy in the body, heart, mind, soul,
0:25:16 it becomes really distinct.
0:25:22 You can use it as your getting warmer, getting colder measurement.
0:25:27 So I started doing this no matter what.
0:25:32 That included breaking the rules of a lot of relationships I’d had.
0:25:34 I was, because they didn’t feel like joy.
0:25:38 Or the way they were being played out didn’t feel like joy to me.
0:25:45 So I would either back off, or I’d really change the behavior of my own behavior in that
0:25:46 situation until I felt joy.
0:25:49 So some people dropped away from my life.
0:25:51 Actually, a lot of people did.
0:25:52 I’ll get to that in a minute.
0:25:53 It won’t happen to you.
0:25:59 But after I’d been living this way for a while, even though it did create some
0:26:06 short-term chaos in my life, I began to feel stronger and clearer than I ever had,
0:26:08 and more at peace.
0:26:16 I had a little cluster, a large cluster, actually, of autoimmune illnesses for which there was no
0:26:18 cure, they all went into remission.
0:26:26 People started asking me why this was happening and why I always seemed to have amazing luck.
0:26:31 I was always in a situation that was sort of benevolent or beneficent to me.
0:26:35 So I began talking to people, and it turned into coaching people.
0:26:37 I would say, okay, here we go.
0:26:39 This is the instruction.
0:26:40 Pay close attention.
0:26:49 If something feels really great to you, if you can feel it feeding your soul and your body and your
0:26:51 heart, maybe do a little more of that.
0:26:58 But if something always drains you and leaves you feeling miserable,
0:27:01 maybe do less of that.
0:27:04 Like, this is not rocket science here.
0:27:13 But I’m going to repeat it to make it crystal clear, because weirdly, people have trouble wrapping
0:27:14 their minds around it.
0:27:22 So I’m going to say to whoever’s listening, if you want to try this, if a person, a place, a task,
0:27:30 even a thought, in fact, especially a thought, if that specific thing feels peaceful and joyful
0:27:35 and makes your muscles relax and your face smile spontaneously, do more of it.
0:27:36 Go toward that.
0:27:44 And if something makes you feel crunched up and miserable, and again, this can be anything from a
0:27:50 significant relationship or a career or anything in your life, all the way down to the most fleeting
0:27:51 thought.
0:27:55 If it makes you feel miserable, do less of it.
0:27:59 So always amazed me that people are amazed by this.
0:28:01 It’s so simple, right?
0:28:05 But we can get caught in culture and pressured to do things that don’t bring us joy.
0:28:14 So to my own astonishment, I made an entire career out of teaching people to adopt this one
0:28:20 incredibly simple but radically honest approach to life.
0:28:21 So what prompted this?
0:28:24 When I was 29, I had surgery.
0:28:28 And while I was in surgery, I had a near-death-like experience.
0:28:32 And there was a bright light that appeared.
0:28:33 Maybe it was my brain.
0:28:37 Maybe it was, I don’t know, some mystical being.
0:28:37 I don’t know.
0:28:44 But its presence filled me with a level of joy that I’d never remembered experiencing before.
0:28:46 And it seemed to communicate with me.
0:28:48 Again, could be my subconscious.
0:28:55 And it said, your entire task in life is to live in a way that feels like you’re feeling
0:28:56 now.
0:29:01 So I very suddenly made a total commitment to joy, and I never went back on it.
0:29:05 And some chaos did result.
0:29:10 Everything that wasn’t working in my life left me, or I left it.
0:29:17 And in my case, that meant my entire culture, because I’d grown up in a very, very, very deeply
0:29:19 dogmatic religion.
0:29:20 I left that.
0:29:22 That meant that I left my family of origin.
0:29:24 They stopped talking to me.
0:29:32 I eventually left my marriage, my job, my career, my house that I was living in at the time.
0:29:38 Pretty much everything that gave me my identity, but also created harm or exhaustion.
0:29:42 All those things left with astonishing speed.
0:29:48 I felt grief and fear while this was happening, but those emotions were now overlaid on a sort
0:29:50 of bedrock of peace.
0:29:55 Something I think came from the deepest part of me beginning to trust that I would actually
0:29:56 take care of it.
0:29:56 What was hard?
0:29:57 What was easy?
0:30:01 It was very hard to keep my promise when in relationship with others who didn’t approve.
0:30:08 It was hard to face the judgment of people who didn’t go along with my new credo.
0:30:12 But my life as a whole became so much easier.
0:30:15 It was so easy to tell only the truth.
0:30:17 Lies and secrets are very hard on the emotions.
0:30:19 What has been the payoff?
0:30:25 Every single moment of pure delight or deep meaning I’ve experienced since.
0:30:27 And there have been so, so, so, so many.
0:30:31 The payoff was finding my way to wonderful relationships.
0:30:35 The payoff was doing only the work I love in this world.
0:30:39 So, the sense of purpose, the sense of being on purpose, never leaves me.
0:30:44 The payoff ultimately was coming home.
0:30:47 I realized that home was inside me.
0:30:51 And when I went there, the entire world felt like home.
0:30:57 The payoff is never, ever having to leave a state of peace.
0:31:01 And I wish you that experience.
0:31:02 I wish it for everyone.
0:31:04 Hope it helps.
0:31:06 Hey guys, this is Tim again.
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