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0:00:08 – Ah, Henry, good to see you.
0:00:09 – Kevin, it’s great to be back.
0:00:11 Really nice to be in the room with you again.
0:00:13 – Yeah, it’s changed a bit.
0:00:16 Last time we were here, we had like two chairs floating
0:00:19 ’cause I was just kind of building up the studio,
0:00:21 but now it’s pretty much complete.
0:00:23 So lots happened since we last chatted.
0:00:25 You launched a new book.
0:00:27 The Way App has been building momentum,
0:00:28 which has been great.
0:00:30 So I’d love to talk about all those things.
0:00:33 And then also this morning, I was up early
0:00:34 ’cause of my jet lag,
0:00:37 I did some user submitted questions as well.
0:00:40 So I went on Instagram and we’ve got a few questions there.
0:00:42 So are you game for all of that?
0:00:43 – Let’s see where we go.
0:00:46 – Okay, so let’s dive in and whatever happens happens.
0:00:48 – Yeah, sounds great.
0:00:52 So the Way App, one of the things that, you know,
0:00:54 we know to be true in the app industry
0:00:57 when you look across the board on Meditations app.
0:00:59 And I would say Meditation in general
0:01:02 is that there is a lot of user churn.
0:01:04 Like people have these intentions.
0:01:06 They’re like, okay, Meditation sounds great.
0:01:08 You know, they want to sit down
0:01:11 and really figure out if this is for them.
0:01:14 Oftentimes, you know, and a lot of people listen to this,
0:01:16 I’m sure we’ll say, hey, I tried it,
0:01:17 it just didn’t work for me.
0:01:21 It’s funny, my good colleague of mine,
0:01:23 I was just in Hawaii at this conference
0:01:24 and he was there too.
0:01:26 And we sat down for Meditation
0:01:29 and he’d never experienced your app before.
0:01:31 And I played one of the Meditations
0:01:33 and he’s like, that was wonderful,
0:01:36 but my mind is just like, I don’t think this is for me.
0:01:38 Like he seems to be having a hard time with it.
0:01:43 So I’m curious, like when you were developing the courseware
0:01:45 and the curriculum for this app,
0:01:47 like how did you think about that?
0:01:50 Like, I mean, you have so much experience training people.
0:01:55 How do you think about ways in which you can engage them,
0:01:56 meet them where they are
0:01:58 and then keep them around for the long term?
0:02:00 So this really is a durable habit.
0:02:02 – Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s a great,
0:02:05 it’s the perennial question, actually, of meditation.
0:02:08 ‘Cause all the traditions that have been doing it
0:02:11 for 2500 or 3000 years,
0:02:15 they all know what the great benefits of it are,
0:02:19 but they come from cumulative, steady,
0:02:24 regular habit of practicing a little bit every day.
0:02:26 You know, that’s really the key thing.
0:02:30 So our whole project, actually, with the way,
0:02:32 our meaning, the small team that we have,
0:02:34 led by- – Five of you, right?
0:02:38 – It’s sort of four plus, yeah, but really,
0:02:40 the core team is really just four.
0:02:45 Was to build something that could take a user
0:02:49 on the journey of being trained in meditation.
0:02:53 So in my mind, that meant we got to frame
0:02:54 what the project is.
0:02:57 So people know it’s actually not just about
0:03:01 a targeted stress reduction intervention when you need it.
0:03:04 Yeah, actually, if you learn how to meditate
0:03:08 and if you know what the greater possibilities of it are
0:03:12 and you’re instructed, gently sort of guided,
0:03:16 you know, trained really in how to do it,
0:03:20 then you will get the stress reduction benefits
0:03:24 and the calm, but that’s not the only thing you’ll get.
0:03:29 And it won’t be like, hey, my dog just died,
0:03:32 I need a meditation or I’m having a stressful time at work,
0:03:34 I need a meditation. – Right.
0:03:37 – It’ll be, actually, your whole system has changed.
0:03:40 Your whole brain operating system, as it were,
0:03:42 has changed, you got new software.
0:03:46 So the way you handle whatever comes up will be different.
0:03:49 In other words, we didn’t want to do,
0:03:52 I’m not gonna knock them,
0:03:55 there’s some fantastic spectacular meditation apps
0:03:57 already out there, a lot of them.
0:04:01 But they nearly all follow this model
0:04:04 of having a lot of choices that you do need it for this,
0:04:07 do you need it for that in short-term courses.
0:04:10 We wanted it to be this longer-term thing
0:04:15 that you’re really being drawn into a long path,
0:04:20 a practice that has clear and various benefits
0:04:24 that are gonna actually function
0:04:31 in a way that changes how you operate in the world
0:04:34 under whatever circumstances.
0:04:37 – You know, when I think about a couple hundred years ago,
0:04:38 there was way less distraction.
0:04:41 We didn’t have Netflix, we didn’t have all these devices
0:04:43 that are fragmenting our brains in all these weird ways.
0:04:47 You know, how do you think about approaching this
0:04:49 when someone says, you know,
0:04:51 I don’t have time for 10 minutes.
0:04:52 – Yes, yes.
0:04:54 – And then also, do they have to just believe
0:04:55 in this bigger end goal?
0:04:57 Is that like the main hook for it all?
0:04:58 – Right, right, right, okay, great.
0:05:01 So a couple of points I would say this.
0:05:05 First of all, the fact that this practice has been around
0:05:08 as long as it has suggests to me
0:05:11 that it’s been needed that long, you know.
0:05:15 So I’d say there’s sort of two kinds of distraction.
0:05:19 One is just grabbing at things
0:05:23 that will make us feel more comfortable, you know,
0:05:24 in the moment.
0:05:27 And yeah, of course, nowadays it’s often apps on the phone,
0:05:30 social media and news and, you know.
0:05:31 – Glass of wine.
0:05:34 – Glass of wine as well.
0:05:36 The fridge for some, you know.
0:05:40 And usually it’s ’cause there’s some undercurrent
0:05:44 that we may be aware of or not of some kind of distress
0:05:46 or unease that we wanna just not feel.
0:05:49 So distraction is a powerful tool.
0:05:51 It’s not all bad, by the way.
0:05:55 ‘Cause sometimes distraction really does help us feel better.
0:05:58 The problem is when it becomes the main thing, you know,
0:06:00 we’re hungry for the little dopamine hit.
0:06:01 – Yes.
0:06:04 – You know, we’re just sort of led by that.
0:06:05 But there’s also another level
0:06:09 of almost sort of deeper distraction in a certain sense,
0:06:13 which is where we’re so caught up,
0:06:15 not just in those immediate distractions,
0:06:20 but in the sort of hunger and sense of need and sense of stress
0:06:24 we might have around the larger projects in our life.
0:06:30 And the issue there is that we don’t give ourselves time
0:06:38 to recognize the bare fact of existing at all.
0:06:42 The very fact that we’re here being conscious
0:06:46 in this very moment is a miracle actually.
0:06:49 And it’s a gift, if we start thinking about it,
0:06:54 it’s just an incomparable gift to be experiencing
0:06:56 this existence.
0:06:58 And of course, often it has a lot of hard things in it
0:07:01 and has challenges, it has grievous losses,
0:07:03 it has lots of difficulties,
0:07:05 so that you can see the reasons
0:07:08 why we might not want to come back
0:07:10 to just experiencing being here.
0:07:15 But if we can, if we can navigate the challenges to that,
0:07:20 we can actually start to recognize
0:07:23 that in my very being,
0:07:26 I’m being given an infinite gift,
0:07:29 just because I’m aware right now.
0:07:33 I have human body, I have a human mind,
0:07:38 I have a human heart, and I’m able to experience them.
0:07:42 So here’s the bigger picture of meditation
0:07:47 is ways to come back to really receiving
0:07:50 the gift of being alive.
0:07:52 And it’s wisdom, the wisdom of meditation
0:07:56 is that it’s counterintuitive
0:08:01 and it’s against our typical conditioning.
0:08:05 In Buddhism, they say you have to go against the stream,
0:08:07 ’cause actually you are going against
0:08:12 a sort of tide of conventional ways of being.
0:08:15 But if you do and you can do it just enough
0:08:19 to get over the little resistance hump
0:08:21 and you can do it every day,
0:08:24 you’re starting to open up the possibility
0:08:29 of being at peace without outward circumstances,
0:08:31 being the way you want them.
0:08:35 That there’s an actual intrinsic piece we can find.
0:08:37 So, and there’s lots of dimensions to that
0:08:40 that we could go into, but fundamentally,
0:08:45 I think it’s about a shift from all my well-being
0:08:48 being contingent on outward things,
0:08:52 to giving myself the opportunity to find
0:08:55 a kind of underlying well-being.
0:08:57 And I may get it in only little hits,
0:09:00 I may get it in very small amounts,
0:09:02 but just to start recognizing
0:09:06 that there actually is something right here now
0:09:09 that is already okay.
0:09:13 And it can be called, I think, a fundamental well-being.
0:09:18 And to get even the smallest hints of that
0:09:25 is kind of radical, because so much of our orientation
0:09:27 has been about I gotta make the world
0:09:30 and the outward circumstances of my life
0:09:34 be the way I need them, if I’m gonna be okay.
0:09:38 And to start discovering that’s only,
0:09:41 we’re not saying that’s totally wrong about that.
0:09:43 I mean, maybe a few want to do that.
0:09:45 A serious sort of dedicated souls
0:09:47 want to be an adept on the mountaintop.
0:09:49 But for most of us, that’s not necessary.
0:09:52 All that’s necessary is to open up the chance
0:09:56 of getting a taste of a radically different kind of well-being
0:10:00 that’s not predicated on the way our lives are going.
0:10:02 That’s intrinsic.
0:10:05 And it’s such a beautiful thing to find that.
0:10:07 And it’s not that hard.
0:10:10 That’s the thing that I’m really committed to.
0:10:13 It’s why I’m so keen to sort of share this
0:10:14 with anybody interested.
0:10:16 That’s actually not that hard.
0:10:19 It does require one difficult thing,
0:10:21 which is establishing a habit.
0:10:24 So hence, again, yeah, you’re asking like,
0:10:26 you got sort of the big goals of meditation.
0:10:28 Do they help make the habit?
0:10:29 I’m sure they do.
0:10:31 If you’ve got the frame that meditation
0:10:34 is just gonna help me with a particular stress,
0:10:36 it may do that and that’s great.
0:10:38 And there’s nothing wrong with that.
0:10:40 But in a way, why should I keep going?
0:10:42 But if you’ve got the frame that meditation
0:10:45 on a regular basis can take me
0:10:47 to a new way of experiencing my life.
0:10:52 One where I’m less kind of beholden
0:10:55 to how things are going in order to be okay.
0:11:00 And one way, in fact, I find that I’m already okay.
0:11:02 At least I get taste of that.
0:11:04 That’s a bigger picture.
0:11:06 – Yeah, and it’s a hard one for people
0:11:09 to wrap their heads around that are so in their head
0:11:10 all day long.
0:11:14 Like even, I’ve had a decent practice now for a few years
0:11:16 and last night, Dari had a great suggestion
0:11:19 where she said, hey, let’s teach the kids
0:11:21 that phones aren’t okay at the dinner table
0:11:22 by being role models and putting them
0:11:25 in a box 10 feet away.
0:11:26 And I’m like, yeah, sounds great.
0:11:28 Like of course I’m in on that, right?
0:11:29 So I put in the box 10 feet away
0:11:32 and then I’m like, I finished dinner.
0:11:33 But one of the things that your app has taught me
0:11:36 is this recognition of feelings.
0:11:40 Like just to identify and see the discomfort
0:11:42 and just feel it and taste that discomfort
0:11:46 and just to see, oh, there’s that thing, right?
0:11:49 And I felt that anxiety, I gotta get back to this thing,
0:11:50 I gotta move, I gotta do something else.
0:11:53 And it’s like, but just to recognize it was,
0:11:56 it was, normally I would just get up
0:11:58 and go right into it, right?
0:12:01 And so like, I feel like recognition to me
0:12:05 feels like of a very early stage and step in this process.
0:12:06 Would you agree with that?
0:12:09 Just seeing what your own brain is doing?
0:12:10 – Yeah, absolutely right.
0:12:11 But it’s not only early stage
0:12:14 ’cause it doesn’t matter how long you’ve been meditating.
0:12:17 You’ll get times when, yeah, something comes up.
0:12:18 I want that, you know?
0:12:20 And the question is how much,
0:12:22 you even put the finger on it precisely.
0:12:26 It’s like, how much can I actually recognize
0:12:29 the experience that is going on
0:12:32 rather than immediately react to it?
0:12:35 So the typically, you know, eh, there’s this discomfort.
0:12:39 I don’t want discomfort, I’ll have another swig of wine
0:12:41 or I’ll go and get the phone
0:12:44 or I’ll just something that will stop this feeling.
0:12:46 But the meditation path is, again,
0:12:49 it’s counterintuitive, it’s no,
0:12:53 let me give a home to this feeling.
0:12:57 Let me actually recognize how I’m doing, what’s going on.
0:13:02 And in doing that, what I’m doing actually
0:13:07 is expanding even just tiny bit my capacity
0:13:10 for holding my own experience,
0:13:13 including the feelings that are difficult.
0:13:15 And what’s so beautiful about that
0:13:17 is that we’re developing,
0:13:19 we may not put it in this,
0:13:21 it might sound a bit grand,
0:13:23 but we’re sort of developing compassion.
0:13:26 And that includes self-compassion.
0:13:30 And that is a really, again, significant shift.
0:13:34 ‘Cause rather than being tugged around by our impulses.
0:13:37 – It’s like we either push it away or we shove it down.
0:13:38 – Yes. – Right?
0:13:41 And so you’re saying this is kind of like a warm hug for it.
0:13:42 – That’s correct.
0:13:45 – And it’s like, you don’t have to go anywhere.
0:13:49 I’m gonna recognize what this feeling is and embrace it.
0:13:50 – Exactly.
0:13:55 And then it’s as if what we feel we are shifts
0:13:58 from being wrapped up in that difficult feeling.
0:14:00 That’s just me wanting something.
0:14:02 That’s me, I’m there wanting something.
0:14:06 Instead, we start to identify with the part of us
0:14:11 that is able to hold the distress, however mild it is.
0:14:16 So then we become kind of a more expansive person.
0:14:22 And we can feel our heart really is kind of growing.
0:14:24 Or I think, I mean, that’s how it may feel.
0:14:27 I always think, actually it’s not.
0:14:31 We’re only uncovering capacity we already had.
0:14:33 It’s always what I think in meditation.
0:14:34 It can feel like we’re doing something
0:14:36 to make something develop.
0:14:38 That’s one framing of it.
0:14:40 But another framing of it is no,
0:14:43 we’re actually just expanding our recognition
0:14:46 of capacities we didn’t know we had,
0:14:48 but we’ve had all along.
0:14:51 And I think that’s really what it’s really about.
0:14:53 All the way from handing difficult emotions
0:14:56 to mind blowing openings.
0:14:58 – Well, it couldn’t have been any other way though, right?
0:14:59 ‘Cause if we didn’t have the capacity
0:15:01 to have that capacity, it never would.
0:15:02 (laughing)
0:15:03 Did you join him?
0:15:03 – Yes.
0:15:04 – It’s like it has to last too.
0:15:06 – Yeah, but it’s not like say,
0:15:09 we got the capacity to grow, to get fitter,
0:15:10 but we do need to go to the gym.
0:15:12 But this is slightly different.
0:15:16 It seems like we’re developing the equivalent
0:15:18 of better musculature and all the rest of it.
0:15:22 But actually, maybe we’re just parting
0:15:26 what obscures it that we actually already have.
0:15:28 – And correct me if I’m getting this quote wrong,
0:15:31 but there is a Zen saying where it’s like the lifting
0:15:32 of the veil or something like that.
0:15:35 Or the feeling, maybe it’s not Zen related,
0:15:39 but it’s this idea that you have a veil over your face
0:15:41 and it’s just like the clearing and lifting
0:15:44 so that there’s more clarity of what already was there
0:15:46 versus obtaining something new.
0:15:48 – Exactly, I think it is.
0:15:49 And there’s another phrase in Zen
0:15:53 which is like the clouds of delusion, it’s opening.
0:15:58 And so that’s a metaphor that’s quite easy to get.
0:16:02 Like, yeah, if it’s a cloudy sky, the sun is still there.
0:16:03 – Right.
0:16:06 I always love that when you take a plane
0:16:08 and it’s like super cloudy and muggy out
0:16:09 and then you pop through those clouds.
0:16:12 – That beautiful day out here, I always get the window seat.
0:16:13 I love the window seat.
0:16:16 But okay, I think this actually transitions great
0:16:18 into another question from our friend, Tim Ferriss.
0:16:20 I was texting with him this morning and I’m like,
0:16:22 “Hey, I’m interviewing Henry.
0:16:23 Like, is there anything you want to ask him?”
0:16:25 And he’s like, “Yes, I have some things I want to ask him.”
0:16:30 So Tim asks, “If someone has 20 minutes per day,
0:16:33 is it better to do one session
0:16:36 or two 10-minute sessions or another configuration?
0:16:38 And are there certain times of day
0:16:40 that are better than others?”
0:16:41 – Okay, I can ask that.
0:16:46 That the ideal is fairly early upon waking,
0:16:49 soon after waking.
0:16:53 And I would say do the 20 in one go
0:16:57 because every sit is actually a journey.
0:16:59 And if you give yourself 20 minutes
0:17:01 for that journey to unfold,
0:17:05 you don’t know quite where it might take you.
0:17:07 And if you have two 10 minutes,
0:17:08 you haven’t got quite as long
0:17:11 for the whole settling process to happen.
0:17:12 – So let me do a follow-up question to that.
0:17:14 ‘Cause it was interesting.
0:17:17 I was, you were so gracious in introducing me
0:17:20 to your teacher who’s based in Tokyo
0:17:22 and I was able to go out and meet with him.
0:17:25 And one of the things that he asked me was like,
0:17:27 how many days a week do you miss sitting?
0:17:29 Like how many days a week do you not sit?
0:17:31 And I was like, I gotta be honest with this.
0:17:33 The senior Zen master here, okay.
0:17:35 Like probably two, you know.
0:17:38 And he goes, “I would rather have you sit
0:17:42 “five minutes a day every day than to miss a day.”
0:17:44 And so I guess a follow-up question this would be,
0:17:46 okay, 20 minutes sounds great.
0:17:50 But if someone finds themselves like missing days,
0:17:51 but they’re aiming for 20 minutes,
0:17:54 would you agree shorter duration?
0:17:56 – Unquestionably, you cut back.
0:17:58 You cut back to a level
0:18:01 that you can maintain every day for say two weeks.
0:18:02 And if you’ve done that,
0:18:06 then you take a small step towards your target number.
0:18:09 You’ve got to find, we may have a dream dose,
0:18:11 you know, whatever that might be.
0:18:13 But if we’re missing days,
0:18:16 it probably means somehow it’s too high
0:18:18 for the way our life is at the moment.
0:18:22 So you cut back to what you can maintain daily.
0:18:24 And once you’re up and running,
0:18:28 and by that I mean going from complete beginner
0:18:31 to sort of novice who might have been meditating regularly
0:18:33 for let’s say three to six months.
0:18:34 – Okay, so interesting.
0:18:35 That was a good question I had in mind
0:18:38 ’cause like everyone’s gonna be a little bit different.
0:18:41 And so if someone said that I’ve tried this before,
0:18:42 it didn’t work for me,
0:18:44 what would you say the commitment is to say,
0:18:47 okay, I can almost, I can’t perfectly guarantee,
0:18:49 but I can almost guarantee you’ll start to feel
0:18:50 this will get easier for you.
0:18:52 So it’s that three to six month mark.
0:18:53 Is that kind of where it’s at?
0:18:55 – Yes, I think it probably is.
0:19:00 And once you’re sort of cruising reasonably,
0:19:03 and there will always be times when you don’t wanna do it.
0:19:06 And we just learn to ride that, just do it anyway.
0:19:09 I always think it’s like if a ship in the olden days
0:19:13 was sailing from Britain to India or something,
0:19:15 and it’s gonna go through weather,
0:19:17 but it doesn’t mean it stops the journey.
0:19:19 Just say, I’m gonna go, I’m just gonna give up.
0:19:20 No, they just keep going.
0:19:24 And it’s the same weather will come through our lives
0:19:27 and through our bodies and our minds and our hearts.
0:19:28 We just keep going.
0:19:31 It’s so nice to have something that just keeps going
0:19:33 regardless.
0:19:35 There’s a great value in that itself.
0:19:38 Like no matter what’s going on in my life,
0:19:39 I just do this thing.
0:19:40 I just do this thing.
0:19:41 I could have had, I mean,
0:19:43 even when people have had a sort of
0:19:46 massive awakening experience, some great opening,
0:19:47 what do they do the next day?
0:19:48 Sit.
0:19:49 What will the teacher tell them the next day?
0:19:50 Sit.
0:19:53 When someone’s going through a really, really difficult time
0:19:56 and real serious upheavals in life,
0:19:58 the teacher might be compassionate of course around it,
0:20:01 but still they’d say sit.
0:20:05 Just try to make a bit of time to sit every day regardless.
0:20:10 So I would say, what is really great to get to
0:20:12 at some point, maybe three or six months actually,
0:20:14 is not long enough to be aiming for this,
0:20:19 but twice a day of about half an hour
0:20:20 or 20 to 30 minutes.
0:20:24 Twice a day is fantastic when you’re ready for it
0:20:26 and you have to wait till you’re ready for it.
0:20:31 And then maybe sometimes the evening sits only 10 minutes,
0:20:33 but if you can do it morning and evening,
0:20:35 this is the big picture.
0:20:37 We don’t want to rush to this,
0:20:41 but if we, that is actually kind of the dream dose,
0:20:46 because then you sort of don’t drop away.
0:20:50 It’s like whatever you’ve developed in your sit
0:20:55 in the morning is kind of very easily topped up
0:20:58 in the evening sit and same thing in the morning sit.
0:21:02 And you start to get this contiguous sense of it
0:21:04 that can run right through your life.
0:21:07 And that’s really getting beautiful.
0:21:10 But again, everybody should find their own.
0:21:11 I sometimes say it’s like this.
0:21:16 It’s like imagine your life is a mug of hot water
0:21:19 and you’re putting a tea bag in it.
0:21:20 And the tea bag is meditation.
0:21:25 And ideally, the water is flavored,
0:21:28 all the water is flavored by the tea.
0:21:31 And whether the tea bag needs to be in for 15 minutes
0:21:34 in the morning that can keep you going around the clock
0:21:36 or maybe it needs a bit more,
0:21:41 you see for yourself, am I tasting it in my day to day life?
0:21:43 And if the answer is no, not really.
0:21:46 It probably means up the dosage a little bit.
0:21:47 – I see.
0:21:48 – Yeah, and I like that in the app
0:21:50 where you have this selection where you can say,
0:21:51 okay, I want to do 10 minutes.
0:21:52 And I think you had a 20 and 30 now.
0:21:53 – That’s right.
0:21:54 – So it’s like as you get further along,
0:21:56 if you’re like, hey, 10 minutes is feeling a little short
0:21:58 for me, you can jump up to the 20
0:22:00 and then always go back if you need to as well.
0:22:01 – That’s right.
0:22:02 Now back, actually, Kevin,
0:22:04 I want to circle back to that question about,
0:22:07 you know, the guy saying, my mind is just so busy.
0:22:08 How do I do this?
0:22:11 My advice would be just stick with it, you know,
0:22:16 do the first sit, listen to the next talk,
0:22:20 do the next sit, do the next sit, just keep going.
0:22:21 Just keep going.
0:22:26 And the hope here is that, you know,
0:22:29 ’cause all the sits have some amount of guidance.
0:22:32 And at some point you will just find
0:22:36 you start to listen more consistently to the guidance.
0:22:39 You’ll find it just starts to happen
0:22:44 that you’re able to stay with what you’re being asked to do
0:22:45 and you’ll be able to do it.
0:22:48 And you’ll just kind of lock in more.
0:22:50 It’s not going to be a perfect thing.
0:22:51 There’ll be times when, you know,
0:22:53 you just got a lot going on
0:22:55 and you can’t seem to rein in the mind.
0:22:57 It’ll do what it does.
0:23:01 But having guidance does make it a lot easier.
0:23:03 You know, when I started meditating,
0:23:05 it was just like, do this thing,
0:23:06 you’re on your own, go and do it.
0:23:09 And, you know, my mom was all over the place.
0:23:10 And then I discovered, wow,
0:23:13 there’s this world of guided meditation,
0:23:15 which actually wasn’t part of the Zen world.
0:23:18 You know, maybe a little bit here and there,
0:23:19 some teachers would do a bit,
0:23:21 but it was much more part of modern mindfulness
0:23:24 and the vipassana world did more of it.
0:23:27 And, you know, I started to get exposed to that.
0:23:30 I thought, actually, especially for beginners
0:23:33 and novices, you know, this is great.
0:23:36 You can save a lot of time.
0:23:38 When you save a lot of time, what do you mean by that?
0:23:41 Well, I mean, like, you could be getting to
0:23:48 discovering places of stillness and of meditative flow,
0:23:50 which are very beautiful experiences
0:23:52 and just being more attentive
0:23:55 to your immediate present moment experience
0:23:59 and then different dimensions of it much quicker.
0:24:03 ‘Cause guidance can show us how the tools can work
0:24:06 before we know how to operate the muscles.
0:24:07 Right, right.
0:24:08 It’s a good point because, you know,
0:24:10 when we first met and we were,
0:24:12 it was COVID time and we were chatting
0:24:15 and you were doing these check-ins with me.
0:24:18 And it was like, I tell you what was going on in the practice.
0:24:19 And I felt like it was like you just being like,
0:24:21 let’s tweak this little knob a little bit this way
0:24:22 and a little bit this way, you know?
0:24:25 And it’s like these little kind of guardrails
0:24:27 for me to operate on that,
0:24:28 that I would just, you know,
0:24:30 could be potential roadblocks
0:24:33 and probably like slow down my progression.
0:24:34 That’s right and discourage you.
0:24:35 Yeah, you know?
0:24:36 Right, that’s a huge one.
0:24:37 Yeah, yeah.
0:24:40 You know, you mentioned a couple of times these,
0:24:43 you know, depths of awakening that can happen.
0:24:47 Can you give me an example of a student
0:24:49 and, you know, how does that vary
0:24:52 versus like a minor type of awakening moment
0:24:53 versus a major moment?
0:24:56 Yeah, thank you, it’s a great question.
0:24:59 I’d say there’s all kinds of shifts
0:25:01 that we can find in meditation
0:25:03 and they’re all valuable, you know?
0:25:08 And they come in, I think, in their four main categories,
0:25:10 you know, and there’s mindfulness.
0:25:15 That’s a shift in mindfulness is when, you know,
0:25:17 we’ve been kind of having, finding it hard to sit.
0:25:19 We don’t really know why we just are.
0:25:21 And then suddenly we recognize,
0:25:24 oh my gosh, I’ve been thinking.
0:25:26 There’s been thought running through my mind
0:25:29 that I hadn’t actually noticed
0:25:31 ’cause it can be slightly subliminal
0:25:32 or we can just, we just don’t notice it.
0:25:35 We just, we rest this and oh, why can’t I sit still?
0:25:36 And then suddenly we recognize,
0:25:39 oh my gosh, there’s been this movie playing in my mind.
0:25:42 Well, there’s been a sort of radio
0:25:43 talking to me in my mind.
0:25:47 And the first time we actually noticed thinking
0:25:50 as a process going on in our minds
0:25:55 that we can observe instead of being caught up in it.
0:25:56 That’s a pretty big shift.
0:25:59 ‘Cause suddenly it’s like, wait a minute,
0:26:02 I’m so used to being wrapped up in my thinking.
0:26:06 And now I’m realizing, maybe I don’t have to be.
0:26:09 Maybe I can recognize it’s a thing
0:26:12 that arises in my experience, but it’s not me.
0:26:14 – See, that’s a radical thing
0:26:16 because like you’re saying that
0:26:18 who’s doing the recognizing then?
0:26:20 If you’re recognizing and you’re watching the thinker,
0:26:23 who is that person that’s watching the thinker?
0:26:24 – Yeah, well, that’s the beautiful thing.
0:26:27 That’s ’cause you’ve just taken a step back
0:26:29 closer to who you really are.
0:26:33 You’re really, there’s some sort of slightly deeper level
0:26:37 of each of us that can observe,
0:26:39 that can be a kind of witness.
0:26:44 And usually, very often, actually, when we find that
0:26:49 and taste that, there is a little shiver of a good feeling,
0:26:52 of a kind of peace, of a kind of aliveness,
0:26:56 perhaps of a kind of wakefulness, attentiveness.
0:26:59 And of appreciation.
0:27:02 It’s funny, they all sort of can be in there
0:27:05 when we just get that little shift that detaches us
0:27:07 from what we’ve been caught up in
0:27:09 and we start to recognize,
0:27:12 basically a deeper level of ourselves.
0:27:17 So that’s beautiful and we have that capacity.
0:27:20 And it happens in lots of ways in mindfulness.
0:27:23 And now the key one is, like you were describing,
0:27:26 when you recognize there’s this little knot
0:27:29 or claw inside pulling me towards something,
0:27:32 I need that now, or gosh, I’m distressed.
0:27:35 When we can just find there’s a way we can hold that.
0:27:39 The poet Rumi has this great poem about being a guesthouse.
0:27:41 You wanna become a guesthouse,
0:27:44 the dear listener, be a guesthouse
0:27:47 to the difficult things that come in life.
0:27:49 Rather than closing the door,
0:27:52 they wanna know about you, be a guesthouse,
0:27:54 be the host that welcomes in
0:27:57 all the difficult things that arise.
0:28:01 And then that sort of, then we recognize,
0:28:06 man, I’m not just this person blindly being tugged around
0:28:07 and pulled around in their life.
0:28:12 I’m actually a capacious being with a larger heart.
0:28:16 And that’s beautiful.
0:28:18 And that’s a shift.
0:28:21 And it’s not yet what we call awakening,
0:28:22 but it is a little awakening.
0:28:23 It’s a little shift.
0:28:25 It’s an important shift.
0:28:27 It can actually be huge in life.
0:28:29 – Little moments of space too,
0:28:30 I think are quite nice to have.
0:28:34 Like, if you get into a confrontation with someone,
0:28:37 and rather than just immediately coming from this,
0:28:39 this gut instinct of snapping back or whatever it may be,
0:28:42 and just like, if there’s this micro,
0:28:46 if you can catch the thought before it comes
0:28:50 to a full bloomed kind of back, you know?
0:28:52 And it’s just like, it’s not,
0:28:56 this little space, it almost feels like it’s almost infinite.
0:28:58 And do you know what I’m talking about?
0:29:00 – I do, I do, I do, I do.
0:29:01 – What is that I’m feeling sometimes?
0:29:02 And I don’t trust me.
0:29:05 Most times if my wife gives me a little shiv
0:29:08 or I give her a little shiv, we react a bunch.
0:29:10 But what is that little thing that I’m talking about?
0:29:12 Is that a thing or am I just making that up?
0:29:13 – It’s a beautiful thing.
0:29:14 It’s a beautiful thing.
0:29:17 Like, you know, there’s a great Jewish philosopher,
0:29:22 Victor Frankel, who said between stimulus and response,
0:29:24 there is a gap.
0:29:28 Everything is in that gap, you know,
0:29:29 which is put it beautifully.
0:29:34 ‘Cause that, I believe that space is a moment
0:29:37 when we’ve kind of suspended our attachment
0:29:41 to who we ordinarily feel we are.
0:29:43 It’s a gap.
0:29:45 And it’s a beautiful thing.
0:29:49 ‘Cause it’s, we’re just floating.
0:29:52 And it is exactly, as you say, a space.
0:29:55 And we can take that on different levels.
0:29:58 On one level, it’s just an interruption
0:30:00 of my ordinary reactive process.
0:30:01 – Right.
0:30:03 – Where it’s been the pause button somehow,
0:30:06 and I would say meditation helps with this a lot,
0:30:08 the pause button has been tapped.
0:30:11 And everything that I’m normally the whole–
0:30:12 – Just a micro tap, not a long one.
0:30:14 Just a little, just enough to get you to notice it.
0:30:15 Like, what was that?
0:30:19 Like, I didn’t immediately engage, you know?
0:30:20 – Exactly, exactly.
0:30:23 And if we just look at it for one second
0:30:27 of what is this gap, it’s very open.
0:30:28 It’s very, very open.
0:30:32 So we may just experience it as just a little quiet,
0:30:33 a little pause.
0:30:35 If we, and this can happen in meditation,
0:30:37 where we’re sitting and we think we’re trying
0:30:40 to do a certain practice and all of a sudden,
0:30:43 there’s just a space with kind of nothing in it, you know?
0:30:47 And so it can go all the way, that gap,
0:30:50 that space can go all the way to an actual awakening.
0:30:55 A real awakening is when we drop our sense
0:30:58 of being who we are, who we normally think we are.
0:31:00 It’s really, it’s not just dropped.
0:31:05 We see that there’s a way of being without it.
0:31:07 There’s always been here.
0:31:10 And so we understand our sense of self then
0:31:12 from a very different perspective.
0:31:15 From one of a boundless openness.
0:31:18 And our sense of self is just a thing that arises
0:31:20 in this boundless openness.
0:31:23 And that’s very liberating, I have no doubt.
0:31:25 Sounds amazing.
0:31:28 So it’s impossible to describe though, right?
0:31:30 Like for someone that’s never experienced that,
0:31:32 like they can’t be put into words.
0:31:34 Well, I think that that’s true.
0:31:37 It is, they always say, you know,
0:31:39 it can’t be expressed in words.
0:31:43 But I think we, lots of us, many of us,
0:31:47 most of us have had foreshadowings of it.
0:31:51 Little glimpses that kind of echo what that’s like.
0:31:56 And again, it’s these moments when we just are interrupting
0:32:03 the normal way we exist.
0:32:08 And we find, ha, that thing that I normally do
0:32:12 I don’t have to do it, you know?
0:32:16 That’s a foreshadowing of what awakening is like.
0:32:19 I mean, then, for example, which just puts a central
0:32:21 sort of emphasis on awakening experiences
0:32:23 ’cause it knows that humans can go through them.
0:32:27 So it’s, and they’re very decisive in a life,
0:32:29 there can be, so it values them.
0:32:33 And it also says you can’t really talk about them.
0:32:36 The way that can be spoken of is not the true way.
0:32:38 You know, as it says in the Tao De Jing.
0:32:43 And it’s like that, this reality that is revealed
0:32:45 in awakening, we can’t speak of it,
0:32:47 but we can say some things about it.
0:32:50 You often get a sense of incredible
0:32:55 and unexplicable okayness.
0:32:58 It can be in the midst of some real difficult situation,
0:33:01 both personally and in the world,
0:33:02 suddenly there’s this shift.
0:33:06 And in a way that you could not explain to anybody,
0:33:09 you know everything is okay.
0:33:12 In spite of all the evidence to the contrary,
0:33:17 you know it in your bones that it’s actually all okay.
0:33:19 But you couldn’t explain why.
0:33:22 – Is it, I’m just gonna throw some stuff out there
0:33:23 and you tell me how far off I am.
0:33:26 So I’m watching a crazy movie.
0:33:29 There’s a conflict and battle scene on the screen.
0:33:31 I’m not in any fear.
0:33:32 I’m enjoying the movie.
0:33:33 I’m caught up in the action.
0:33:34 – Yeah.
0:33:39 – Is it, does my life at that awakening moment
0:33:43 shift to more of that type of view?
0:33:45 – Yeah, that’s not bad actually, it can be like that.
0:33:48 It can be like you’re in the midst of something
0:33:50 you’re wrestling with in your life.
0:33:55 And suddenly you’ve just dropped back into a vast space
0:33:59 and you see yourself in your life wrestling
0:34:02 with whatever problem you’re wrestling with
0:34:04 from this infinite perspective.
0:34:07 – When you say see, not visually.
0:34:10 – Kind of, it’s not exactly visual.
0:34:14 But you’re aware that, oh, there’s Henry
0:34:17 trying to get that internet problem sorted out
0:34:19 or something that was frustrating him.
0:34:24 But it is a little bit like you’re looking at your life
0:34:26 as if it were a movie on a screen.
0:34:29 And you’re back in the dark of the auditorium
0:34:31 in this great space.
0:34:34 And you’re seeing the little life
0:34:37 that Henry’s trying to navigate and negotiate
0:34:39 from that great perspective.
0:34:39 – Wow.
0:34:42 – So you’re at the operating system level at that point.
0:34:44 Like, it’s fantastic because what happens then
0:34:47 is whatever the problem is, you love it.
0:34:49 You love the fact that this being,
0:34:51 ’cause you’re not really you anymore.
0:34:56 You’re observing from a vastly different perspective
0:35:00 and loving this being with their little problem.
0:35:01 – Wow.
0:35:02 – You feel very compassionate.
0:35:05 – And you do that for the whole world.
0:35:07 – I mean, some would say that that,
0:35:10 I mean, that sounds like, I hate to use the word,
0:35:12 the G word, but it’s like a God-like state
0:35:15 where it’s like, do you see what I’m saying?
0:35:18 Like this overarching watching, ’cause like–
0:35:20 – I know it could sound a bit like that.
0:35:20 – Yeah.
0:35:22 – Well, first of all, that’s not the only way
0:35:23 awakeness show up.
0:35:24 – Yeah.
0:35:26 – But I mean, it’s not for me to say,
0:35:30 but I suspect that a lot of the experiences
0:35:32 that people have had that were attributed
0:35:37 to God and God’s may have been moments of shifting
0:35:42 that where awareness shifts so decisively
0:35:45 into another perspective that traditions like Buddhism
0:35:49 and Zen call awakening rather than attributing them
0:35:52 to any divine or supernatural beings.
0:35:54 It’s, you know, I don’t wanna diss
0:35:56 on anybody’s faith tradition,
0:35:58 but it might be that some faith traditions
0:36:01 have evolved out of experiences like that,
0:36:04 that you don’t really need the superstructure
0:36:08 of a great, you know, theological belief system.
0:36:09 Possibly.
0:36:10 – Yeah.
0:36:12 – I don’t wanna say for sure, but it’s possible.
0:36:17 Certainly, I do think that our human experience
0:36:20 has many dimensions to it, many more
0:36:22 than we ordinarily allow ourselves to experience.
0:36:23 – Yes.
0:36:25 – But they’re here, waiting to be experienced.
0:36:27 It’s not like, you know, again,
0:36:29 it’s not like you have to be some marvellous adept
0:36:32 who trains this stuff up and creates it.
0:36:35 No, every, each one of us already has
0:36:37 all these multiple perspectives.
0:36:40 We’re just not used to opening them up
0:36:42 and we’re not used to having access to them.
0:36:45 And again, I mean, bringing it back to the way,
0:36:49 that’s one thing that I really wanna be helping people.
0:36:51 Maybe not everyone’s gonna experience it,
0:36:55 but at least know that these are real possibilities,
0:36:58 you know, and perhaps get glimpses.
0:37:00 – When you think about the things
0:37:03 that we’re very well familiar with today
0:37:06 in terms of like sight, hearing, touch, smell,
0:37:08 like all our traditional senses,
0:37:10 is there any, and then I promise this is the last time
0:37:11 I’ll try and figure it out,
0:37:13 ’cause I know I can’t figure it out in this podcast,
0:37:18 but is there any hint of this being like
0:37:21 another undiscovered sense that gets opened up
0:37:25 in some way that is, we’ve always had the capacity for,
0:37:28 but it’s like just, we haven’t like stepped into it
0:37:30 or really opened it up yet.
0:37:32 – I love that, I love that.
0:37:35 I mean, the way I would put it probably is something like,
0:37:40 this is in all sense channels.
0:37:45 So it’s not another one, it’s in all of them.
0:37:47 And that’s why actually in the Zen tradition,
0:37:50 there are lots and lots of stories of people
0:37:54 having awakening experiences in very different ways.
0:37:56 There’s one famous story of a guy
0:38:00 who just saw a beautiful plum blossom,
0:38:02 and he just saw it and boom,
0:38:05 he just realized that plum blossom
0:38:09 was opening up the whole universe to him, whatever.
0:38:11 Again, the language falls down,
0:38:16 and then another story is somebody just heard a pebble hit
0:38:19 a stalk of bamboo, the little knock,
0:38:22 and the whole universe opened up,
0:38:25 or their sense of self and world fell away,
0:38:28 and they’re in this vast experience,
0:38:30 and it was overwhelming and beautiful,
0:38:33 and really, so that was the sense of sight,
0:38:35 the sense of hearing.
0:38:39 There’s a story of somebody where he went to a master
0:38:43 and asked like, what’s my real nature?
0:38:46 And the master reached out for the corner of his shirt
0:38:49 and just pulled on it, little tug like that.
0:38:51 – Yeah, he had a great awakening.
0:38:54 So it’s a sense of touch as well.
0:38:56 And in all cases, they’re kind of awakening up
0:39:00 to the same multi-dimensional experience
0:39:04 that is in all senses.
0:39:05 And yeah, and it goes on.
0:39:07 I mean, what have we got?
0:39:10 We just did sight, sound, touch.
0:39:14 There’s a guy who ate a piece of melon,
0:39:17 and it was so sweet, and he was asking himself,
0:39:20 is the sweetness in the melon,
0:39:25 or is the sweetness in my tongue tasting the melon?
0:39:29 And as he was pondering that question, bam, he awakened.
0:39:31 It’s both, and it’s more.
0:39:33 It’s jumping to another level
0:39:38 that includes both me and everything else,
0:39:41 in one further dimension or something
0:39:44 that wraps it all together into one.
0:39:46 – That sounds so beautiful.
0:39:52 This is why I’m so interested in always having you
0:39:53 on the show and always wanted to explore this
0:39:56 because I need to keep going further down this path
0:40:01 because it sounds like a relief and a release
0:40:03 to feel that.
0:40:04 – I was gonna say, that’s another thing.
0:40:07 You know, when we’re talking about like the little shifts
0:40:08 and releases is a great word actually,
0:40:11 that you can get in just mindfulness,
0:40:15 you get this sense of joy or peace,
0:40:17 a sort of quiet joy.
0:40:20 I think it’s a little bit like a kind of love, actually,
0:40:23 which is why I call my new bundle love
0:40:26 because it is a kind of love, I think,
0:40:29 ’cause you feel such relief.
0:40:32 – It’s funny that there’s so many stories that I’ve read.
0:40:34 You’ve certainly read an order of magnitude more than I have
0:40:36 about these awakening moments,
0:40:39 and it seems to be followed oftentimes by a lot of tears.
0:40:43 – Yeah, I know, ’cause yeah, it’s like, wow, I belong
0:40:45 in a way I never knew I could.
0:40:48 And the whole system sort of melts.
0:40:53 And we, yeah, there’s a great, oh, relaxing.
0:40:59 Everything, we can just, we just let go.
0:41:00 And it’s all through the body.
0:41:03 It’s all through the heart, all through the mind.
0:41:05 And tears just well up.
0:41:08 And they’re tears of sorrowful joy.
0:41:11 They’re tears of joyful sorrow.
0:41:13 They’re tears of relief.
0:41:17 They’re tears of just a great upwelling of happiness.
0:41:19 – What’s the relief from?
0:41:22 – It’s from the tyranny of the little self
0:41:24 that’s been dominating my life
0:41:26 that I’ve believed in all along.
0:41:30 And demanding this, and criticizing that,
0:41:34 and judging this, and heaping shame on me,
0:41:38 and blaming others, and all the sort of dramas,
0:41:43 and the kind of strutting, you know, imposter, really,
0:41:45 in a certain way.
0:41:49 We all have, there’s been running my life,
0:41:52 and suddenly it’s just gone.
0:41:55 And the relief is incomparable.
0:41:58 I don’t think, I don’t know, I mean,
0:42:02 I haven’t had, you know, a life with astoundings,
0:42:05 you know, sort of economic successes,
0:42:06 or something like that, I don’t know what they’re like.
0:42:11 But I can’t imagine that there could be anything greater,
0:42:14 honestly, in a human life, than this discovery.
0:42:17 I mean, of course, falling in love, having a child,
0:42:20 and the love of a long relationship,
0:42:23 and that goes through its challenges,
0:42:24 and is still going strong,
0:42:27 and sort of come back to loving in new ways again and again.
0:42:29 Those are all absolutely marvelous.
0:42:32 But there’s something about the moments
0:42:35 where we shift our whole understanding
0:42:38 of what it is to be alive.
0:42:43 They’re so precious, and, you know, they’re available.
0:42:46 And if only there were a surefire system,
0:42:49 delivery method, there isn’t, you know,
0:42:50 maybe there will be.
0:42:53 But even now, I don’t think the neuroscience
0:42:58 has fully caught up with an actual moment of awakening.
0:43:00 There’s a friend of mine, James Austin,
0:43:03 who’s written a series of books studying this.
0:43:05 His first one was called Zen Brain,
0:43:08 and he’s been doing it since the ’80s, you know,
0:43:10 maybe even the ’70s.
0:43:12 He’s a serious Zen practitioner himself,
0:43:14 as well as a neuroscientist,
0:43:17 and he thinks he’s narrowed down what’s going on
0:43:21 for some kinds of awakening experience, but not for all.
0:43:26 There’s ones where just everything seems to disappear.
0:43:28 And when you say that, everything disappears,
0:43:29 you mean visually?
0:43:33 – Yeah, basically everything.
0:43:35 – So if you were sitting in this state happened to you,
0:43:36 would you lose consciousness?
0:43:37 Like, what happens?
0:43:40 – Yeah, you know, I’ve only had what I’ve had
0:43:42 in terms of this kind of experience.
0:43:45 And, you know, I’m sure it’s a very shallow one,
0:43:49 but it was a moment when simply the totality
0:43:52 of my life fell away.
0:43:57 And I know it sounds weird and it’s impossible to describe.
0:43:59 I tried in my book, actually.
0:44:00 – Yeah.
0:44:02 – One blade of grass, but I can’t,
0:44:03 nobody can really convey it,
0:44:08 but it is like everything’s just gone.
0:44:11 And somehow sort of reforms afterwards.
0:44:15 And in the moment of that sort of annihilation
0:44:19 or whatever it is, you can’t be there knowing it.
0:44:21 You can’t be.
0:44:23 But somehow you know when it’s happened.
0:44:26 And that was the decisive moment for me,
0:44:30 because thereafter, what was sort of,
0:44:32 what shifted in that moment,
0:44:36 it’s never fully stopped since then.
0:44:41 And it’s now 2024, it’s now 16 years ago,
0:44:42 nearly 17 years ago.
0:44:46 And it’s not like I’m living in the fullness
0:44:48 of the power of that experience when it happened,
0:44:51 but it’s still present.
0:44:55 And I feel this incredible gratitude.
0:44:57 If I just remember, it’s here.
0:45:02 And I just immediately switches on a powerful gratitude
0:45:06 and a kind of love, a love for this moment,
0:45:07 that this moment is arising.
0:45:10 ‘Cause it’s very nice to be with you.
0:45:12 And so it’s a very nice circumstance anyway.
0:45:16 But even if I was just walking down a rainy street
0:45:19 and I was late for something.
0:45:23 I could find it, love for this moment,
0:45:25 arising just as it is.
0:45:27 – When you experience something like that
0:45:30 in some texts that talks about this idea
0:45:35 of there’s this no birth and no death.
0:45:36 – Yeah.
0:45:37 What’s your take on that?
0:45:42 – Yeah, I hesitate to say anything about it.
0:45:47 But I do know that there’s certainly been times
0:45:51 when I’m not so sure that this life
0:45:53 is exactly what we think it is.
0:45:57 And therefore, death isn’t what we think it is either.
0:46:01 And that is actually a very reassuring thing.
0:46:02 – Do you hesitate to talk about it
0:46:06 because it sounds wild if you were to say it out loud
0:46:08 or because you don’t have the words?
0:46:12 Or is it like, ’cause this idea of no birth and no death
0:46:16 is just wild to everyone that’s listening to this?
0:46:18 – Yes, I know. – Except for maybe you.
0:46:22 So, but I’m very curious
0:46:24 because it is mentioned so many times
0:46:25 throughout these different traditions
0:46:28 that when they have these deep awakening moments
0:46:30 that is one aspect that is seen, right?
0:46:32 – I know it is true, it is true.
0:46:35 I mean, here’s one way we could think about it.
0:46:40 Okay, it’s like, we know that all the experience we have
0:46:44 to be aware of it, there has to be awareness.
0:46:46 So like right now, I can see the table,
0:46:48 I can see your eyes and we’re chatting.
0:46:49 – You got me so far, I’m with you.
0:46:50 (both laughing)
0:46:52 – So there is awareness. – Yes.
0:46:57 – Now, what if that awareness actually somehow exists
0:47:00 independently of content?
0:47:03 In other words, right now, we’re looking at each other,
0:47:08 but actually awareness is present right now around,
0:47:11 wrapping around the experience.
0:47:13 So this experience of conversing with one another,
0:47:15 I know I’m talking a lot actually,
0:47:16 it’s a bit one-sided, I’m sorry.
0:47:18 – No, it’s interesting, it’s interesting.
0:47:22 – But this experience is actually arising
0:47:26 within a context of awareness.
0:47:28 So then the question, if we can get some sense of that
0:47:30 as a possibility. – Okay.
0:47:33 – So then the question is, well, what characteristics
0:47:38 does this awareness itself have?
0:47:41 So one way to say, well, it can show visuals,
0:47:44 it can show auditory stuff because we can hear,
0:47:47 we can see, we can feel in a sense,
0:47:50 pants and seat and so on, we can sense all of this stuff.
0:47:52 – But do you believe that you are part of that
0:47:56 global awareness and not just the awareness here?
0:47:59 – That’s right, that’s right, you can migrate
0:48:01 your sense of who you are. – Wow.
0:48:03 – ‘Cause you actually are, you actually are
0:48:06 really that great awareness.
0:48:09 So let me just, just come back to the birth and death thing.
0:48:12 Therefore, in that awareness,
0:48:16 well, we have to get to know it a bit,
0:48:20 but if we investigate it, we find that it really doesn’t have,
0:48:22 it has the capacity to do lots of things,
0:48:26 but in itself, it has no characteristics.
0:48:31 And when we really sort of release our hold on here
0:48:37 and transfer to being absorbed into the awareness,
0:48:38 if we then ask a question like,
0:48:40 well, what’s time?
0:48:44 It’s very clear, time belongs to that thing out there,
0:48:48 this sort of play we’re having of being people, right?
0:48:51 It doesn’t belong to that awareness,
0:48:53 it just doesn’t do time.
0:48:59 It can do time in the play on stage, like a stage play,
0:49:01 but it doesn’t do time.
0:49:05 And when we really are in there, clearly, there is no time.
0:49:08 – So let me ask you a question now real quick there.
0:49:11 How do you know you’re in that thing if there is no time
0:49:15 because time is just a string together set of awareness?
0:49:19 – Yeah, but time is actually an idea.
0:49:22 Time is an idea that we have.
0:49:24 We create the idea of time.
0:49:28 If we’re really right here now, just being here now,
0:49:32 time’s not here.
0:49:34 Time is an idea we pick up.
0:49:36 – That’s a good point.
0:49:38 – Because there’s no time for this glass right now.
0:49:40 – That’s right, it’s just being the glass.
0:49:41 – It’s just being the glass.
0:49:43 – And actually, there’s really,
0:49:47 there’s no time for this body, even though it’s aging.
0:49:50 – But this glass doesn’t have awareness though.
0:49:53 – But, you know, awareness is not the same.
0:49:55 It’s a concept, exactly.
0:49:57 – So it’s watching, it can construct the glass
0:49:59 and watch the glass, but it is not the glass.
0:50:00 – Exactly, exactly.
0:50:05 And so the time is a construction that is conceptual.
0:50:10 It has to be thought, right?
0:50:15 So the thought arises within a greater context of awareness.
0:50:18 In terms of actual experience,
0:50:22 I mean, there’s some traditions that say
0:50:26 it’s all about finding that awareness.
0:50:27 Great, good for them.
0:50:29 But Zen is a little bit, it includes that,
0:50:32 but Zen doesn’t restrict it to only awareness.
0:50:35 It thinks that we can have experiences
0:50:39 where actually we’re just absorbed into the fabric
0:50:42 of everything and there isn’t really awareness.
0:50:44 – That’s one step further than awareness.
0:50:45 – I don’t know, it’s different.
0:50:46 I think it’s different dimensions.
0:50:49 I wouldn’t like to say further or not.
0:50:51 I wouldn’t like to say, but I’m sure
0:50:55 that there are experiences where there isn’t awareness.
0:50:57 And, ’cause I think that was,
0:51:01 Zen talks about that, various masters
0:51:04 have been through that and it’s a thing that’s acknowledged.
0:51:07 It’s not where you want to end up,
0:51:08 but you can go through it.
0:51:11 – What do you say it’s not where you want to end up?
0:51:15 – Well, ’cause in Zen, the idea isn’t to end up
0:51:18 in some totally empty barren place.
0:51:21 The idea is to go through these experiences
0:51:24 and then be living your ordinary life
0:51:29 with a richer awareness and a more full awareness
0:51:33 and more compassion and more gratitude,
0:51:35 more positive pro-social emotions.
0:51:40 So it’s actually, it’s not about checking out
0:51:44 and being in a place of vast empty bliss or something.
0:51:47 We kind of hope you might get a glimpse of that,
0:51:52 but in order to come back and live differently.
0:51:55 – Yeah, it’s bringing it back into every ordinary life.
0:51:56 – Everyday life, yeah.
0:51:58 – One kind of follow-up question here
0:52:00 is pertaining to practice,
0:52:05 which is there’s also this kind of elusiveness of awakening
0:52:10 where it’s like the more you try to obtain it,
0:52:12 the more you point it in the wrong direction.
0:52:14 – Yes, that’s right.
0:52:15 – How would you frame that?
0:52:17 And it’s such a weird thing to think about
0:52:21 because like everything that we do in the physical world
0:52:23 is done through effort to obtain something, right?
0:52:27 And so it’s like, you almost have to think about
0:52:31 this state in a sense of just releasing
0:52:33 that desire of obtainment.
0:52:34 – I know.
0:52:36 – And that’s when the magic happens?
0:52:39 – It can be, there’s no guarantees, but it can be.
0:52:40 – Can you explain that though?
0:52:41 Like, what happened?
0:52:42 – Yeah, because here’s how it works.
0:52:45 It’s like awakening is not another view.
0:52:49 It’s not like there’s mountains, there’s the river,
0:52:51 there’s the hills, there’s the forest,
0:52:53 and there’s awakening.
0:52:57 No, in looking at the mountains, awakening is already here.
0:52:59 In looking at the river, awakening is already here.
0:53:03 Right now, you are the awakened one.
0:53:05 You already are.
0:53:09 So you can’t find it ’cause it’s you already.
0:53:10 Does that make sense?
0:53:10 – It does, yeah.
0:53:14 – It’s actually not, it’s not about a,
0:53:17 this is why talking about it as an experience
0:53:21 in a way is okay and as a way is misleading
0:53:23 because it suggests that it’s having
0:53:25 another kind of experience.
0:53:27 It’s not, it applies to all experience.
0:53:31 So ’cause it’s you, it’s just like I was saying earlier
0:53:35 about sort of coming back to a deeper self.
0:53:38 Once we’ve initiated that process,
0:53:41 we can be on track to do it more and more and more,
0:53:44 coming back deeper and deeper, clearer and clearer
0:53:49 until we really find this self we’ve always been
0:53:52 that is not the same as the self we think we are.
0:53:53 – If I was going down that path of saying
0:53:56 I want to be awakened, I’m creating an object
0:53:57 out of something.
0:53:58 – That’s exactly right.
0:54:02 – Versus just it’s already here.
0:54:03 – Yes.
0:54:04 – And if I’m creating an object out of something,
0:54:05 it’s not that it’s running,
0:54:07 Wigging’s running away from me,
0:54:08 it’s just that I’m looking at something
0:54:10 that isn’t even what it is.
0:54:11 Like it’s like–
0:54:12 – Exactly, exactly.
0:54:13 – I’m like creating a structure out of it
0:54:15 when it’s not structured at all.
0:54:16 – That’s right.
0:54:18 And I mean, imagine, you know, if you think of it,
0:54:20 I wanna get that glass.
0:54:21 – Right.
0:54:22 – But actually that glass isn’t what you wanna get
0:54:23 with awakening.
0:54:24 – Right.
0:54:27 – What you wanna get with awakening is you yourself.
0:54:30 So however you’re reaching for it,
0:54:32 you can’t be reaching for it
0:54:34 because it’s already what you are.
0:54:37 So Henry, that’s no help at all
0:54:39 because I’m not experiencing it, what do I–
0:54:43 So the path in practice
0:54:46 is really a path of coming back,
0:54:50 coming back more and more to just being,
0:54:53 to being more and more okay, just being,
0:54:55 meaning including the things we find difficult,
0:54:57 we can just be with them.
0:54:59 And we’re developing this capacity.
0:55:01 This is why it all builds up and helps,
0:55:05 is to be developing the capacity to be with
0:55:09 what we find hard, to know these impulses
0:55:10 that we have that, you know,
0:55:13 are impulses for distraction and suppression
0:55:16 and reaching for stuff and avoiding stuff,
0:55:17 pushing stuff away.
0:55:21 All of that to get, to be getting to know that
0:55:26 in a space that’s ours are just being aware.
0:55:32 We’re coming home more and more to just being.
0:55:37 And the more we’re able to just be sooner or later
0:55:40 in that condition of just being,
0:55:45 we might suddenly get a hit that, oh my gosh,
0:55:49 I’ve just never been what I thought I was.
0:55:51 – Right, so it’s not even actually like you’re coming back
0:55:56 to who you are, ’cause you is just a construct as well.
0:55:58 – Well that’s true, but in a certain way you are,
0:56:02 because you’re not a global you.
0:56:04 – Not a Kevin you.
0:56:08 – Exactly, well even maybe what Kevin really is,
0:56:11 is this global you, you know?
0:56:14 It’s not what he’d thought.
0:56:19 And Henry, likewise, thinks often he’s this guy
0:56:23 is trying to do this and trying to not do that and so on.
0:56:25 And actually all along, oh my gosh,
0:56:28 what that version of Henry has been,
0:56:33 it’s been made of the real Henry and the real Kevin,
0:56:37 which is just very different.
0:56:39 – And do you see that as like a,
0:56:42 I mean, when you say the real Henry and the real Kevin,
0:56:45 do you see that as two separate individuals?
0:56:48 Or is there, is there such a thing as Henry and Kevin?
0:56:51 – Yeah, well, again, it’s the answer that depends.
0:56:52 – Do you wanna go?
0:56:55 – Yeah, and there are different sort of levels, you know?
0:56:58 Honestly, there is a level on which
0:57:01 there’s no Kevin and no Henry, there really is.
0:57:02 – What would Zen call that?
0:57:06 – Oh, a true person of no rank, true self, you know?
0:57:09 – I love that true person of no rank.
0:57:10 – Yeah, you’re just,
0:57:13 oh, it’s such a beautiful saying, a person of no rank.
0:57:17 – That’s Rinzai, Rinzai, Lin Chi, great Chinese master.
0:57:21 You know, it’s, Zen sometimes does use a word, the true self.
0:57:22 – True self.
0:57:24 – Person of the rank feels so good though.
0:57:26 Why does that feel so good?
0:57:28 – ‘Cause it’s so habituated to-
0:57:30 – We wanna climb, we wanna rank everything-
0:57:31 – Status.
0:57:32 – Yes.
0:57:33 – Hierarchy.
0:57:33 – But just better, worse.
0:57:37 – Actually, I actually think I own personofnorank.com
0:57:38 or something like that.
0:57:39 I own something like that.
0:57:40 ‘Cause I read it somewhere.
0:57:40 – Oh my gosh.
0:57:43 – By these domains because I’m trying to rank things
0:57:47 and like, by the unrankable thing as a holdable object.
0:57:49 (laughing)
0:57:50 – Okay.
0:57:51 – That’s so cool.
0:57:53 – No, I have no rank, personal rank.
0:57:55 – I’ll tell you later, it’s ridiculous.
0:57:57 – Hector, funny that you bring up the true person of no rank
0:58:01 ’cause we got a course starting on November 3rd on it.
0:58:04 And the true person of no rank has come down
0:58:06 actually as a co-an in Zen.
0:58:08 And the full story,
0:58:11 I don’t know if you know it is Rinzai,
0:58:14 this great Zen master ninth century or Lin Chi.
0:58:15 – Who started the Rinzai sect.
0:58:17 – Which is one of the two major big sects.
0:58:21 – One of the two great schools of Zen, Soto and Rinzai.
0:58:24 He said, don’t you know that there is a true person,
0:58:28 a true you, a person of no rank,
0:58:31 constantly going in and out
0:58:34 of the portals of your head.
0:58:38 Where, what is this true person of no rank?
0:58:40 – Okay, when was that said?
0:58:45 – He died in 866, so maybe 840, 850.
0:58:48 – This is just what we know now with like quantum mechanics
0:58:49 and everything that’s going on
0:58:50 with like string theory and everything.
0:58:52 It’s like, do you kind of like,
0:58:54 does that blow your mind when you read some of these articles
0:58:56 like the scientists are publishing and you’re like,
0:58:58 oh, this maps to like.
0:58:59 – It totally does.
0:59:02 I think, I can’t explain why,
0:59:06 but I think in Zen and other practices,
0:59:10 you do taste these things that quantum physics is finding.
0:59:11 – Yes.
0:59:12 – And I, you know, I mean,
0:59:15 I can’t defend this ’cause I’ve got no evidence at all,
0:59:19 but I suspect that our whole idea of distance,
0:59:23 you know, into planetary travel, into solar travel,
0:59:25 whatever, it’s just so daunting
0:59:27 ’cause we think distances are so huge.
0:59:32 But what if, I mean, really in awakening experiences,
0:59:34 we were talking about time disappearing.
0:59:36 Sometimes it depends on the experience.
0:59:38 So does space.
0:59:39 You can–
0:59:40 – Have you experienced that in space?
0:59:40 – I have.
0:59:44 I just, I mean, you know, God, I’m going to sound so weird,
0:59:48 but the very first experience I had actually was like,
0:59:51 I knew that I was made of the universe.
0:59:53 I wasn’t this separate being.
0:59:58 I was, I was just, what I really was was the universe.
1:00:02 And the whole, I mean, I don’t mean that in some grandiose way.
1:00:03 It’s actually the opposite.
1:00:05 There’s not me.
1:00:09 There’s just the universe which is choosing to be me
1:00:11 as it’s choosing to be each of us.
1:00:14 And when we drop into it on that level,
1:00:17 whatever that level is, there is no space.
1:00:21 So I kind of, it was, I suddenly felt as if my nose
1:00:23 was touching the beginning of time
1:00:27 and my fingertips were touching the end of the universe.
1:00:30 – So when you say there’s, that sounds amazing.
1:00:31 So it sounds like you’re on a crazy trip
1:00:33 on some psychedelic–
1:00:34 – No psychedelics at all.
1:00:36 – Yeah, if there’s no space,
1:00:38 is there no emptiness in that state?
1:00:42 – See, emptiness is a misleading term
1:00:44 ’cause sometimes we can have an experience
1:00:47 where it’s a great empty space, right?
1:00:51 But sometimes emptiness actually, it’s just nothing.
1:00:53 It’s more like nothing.
1:00:56 – Like nil, like a lack of like–
1:00:59 – A zero, an absolute zero.
1:01:00 And I mean–
1:01:01 – Is that mool?
1:01:04 – It is, it is, it is.
1:01:07 – That’s a coin, people can look up at that.
1:01:09 – But remember, it’s right here now.
1:01:10 – Right.
1:01:12 – So even right now, when, actually,
1:01:14 if we just go to Rinzai again,
1:01:17 your sense gates, your seeing, your hearing,
1:01:20 smelling, tasting, and words, you know,
1:01:23 this is what it means by the portals of your head,
1:01:25 you know, is sense gates, basically.
1:01:29 There’s this true person without status
1:01:31 coming and going through your senses,
1:01:34 actually being your senses.
1:01:37 So your very sense of sight
1:01:41 and you’re receiving the very sights that you’re seeing,
1:01:44 your hearing of sounds,
1:01:49 they are the true person without rank.
1:01:53 They’re the true you, where there’s no ranking,
1:01:56 there’s no status, there’s no better and worse,
1:02:00 there’s no good and bad, there’s no truer and less true.
1:02:05 In the true person, it’s all real and true, you know?
1:02:10 And it’s actually your own experience is that discovery
1:02:14 of sort of the real you.
1:02:19 It’s not elsewhere, it’s in your very experience now.
1:02:24 And it’s actually, it is also, you just brought up Mu,
1:02:28 it’s also this cardinal Koan Mu,
1:02:30 where it’s just a little word that means not,
1:02:34 it’s right here, it’s this, it’s this.
1:02:38 There’s a way that all this is manifesting just as it is,
1:02:40 and at the same time,
1:02:44 it’s all kind of an expression of something else
1:02:49 that’s here, not, not that it’s all happening,
1:02:55 it’s all happening, but in a certain way,
1:03:00 it also kind of isn’t, both is and isn’t, kind of.
1:03:02 – I need to jump on the cushion after this,
1:03:04 this is like, I need to get back at it.
1:03:05 (laughing)
1:03:08 Man, I love that, thank you for sharing that, Harry,
1:03:11 that’s certainly aspirational for me
1:03:12 to get back on the cushion.
1:03:13 – I’m sorry, it’s so weird.
1:03:16 – No, it’s not weird, what the weird thing is,
1:03:20 I’m starting to like, not get it, but like, it’s so funny,
1:03:22 it’s like if you pick up Zen, mind, beginner’s mind,
1:03:23 and you read it the first time,
1:03:25 and you’re like, what the hell are they talking about?
1:03:27 You know, what is this Zuki talking about?
1:03:29 And then a decade later, you keep reading it,
1:03:31 and all of a sudden you’re like, well, I didn’t,
1:03:33 wait, I’m seeing that slightly differently now.
1:03:35 – Yes, yes, yes, yes.
1:03:37 – And I feel like, is that a common thing
1:03:40 with practitioners, where like, all of a sudden you’re like,
1:03:41 that sentence doesn’t mean the same to me
1:03:43 than it did two years ago.
1:03:45 – That’s right, ’cause you’re on the train.
1:03:46 – Right.
1:03:47 – You’re on the train, and the landscape,
1:03:50 and the perspective on the landscape is changing.
1:03:51 – Right.
1:03:52 – Therefore, you read a line,
1:03:54 you might not even have noticed.
1:03:59 – Right, so what I can tell people is that,
1:04:02 and this is from someone that has zero awakening,
1:04:04 but I will say in just in my practice,
1:04:06 like the things that you’re saying now
1:04:07 make a lot more sense to me than
1:04:09 if I had just heard it for the first time,
1:04:11 I had never had a practice.
1:04:12 – Right, right.
1:04:13 – Which is quite nice to know,
1:04:15 this isn’t always gonna sound like gibberish to everyone
1:04:18 if they pick up and get a practice.
1:04:22 – Exactly, I mean, my whole feeling today is that
1:04:26 we don’t wanna only be pursuing awakening,
1:04:28 ’cause there are so many great benefits
1:04:30 that come from meditating,
1:04:35 and so the way is a map and a path that takes you through,
1:04:38 yes, possibilities of awakening,
1:04:41 little prompts and questions that might help get a glimpse,
1:04:43 but also all these other things,
1:04:45 really helping us get grounded in our mindfulness
1:04:47 so that we can get more self-compassion
1:04:49 and compassion for others,
1:04:51 helping us feel more connected,
1:04:54 which is a huge terrain as meditation
1:04:56 is actually not a solitary pursuit.
1:04:58 It’s very much about connecting with others,
1:05:00 connecting with the world,
1:05:02 connecting with our experience here and now,
1:05:04 so that’s critical as well,
1:05:05 and there’s getting into flow states,
1:05:08 absorption states, Samadhi, as it’s called,
1:05:11 where you kinda cast loose a little bit
1:05:14 and you feel a great ease and a great peace
1:05:18 and effortlessness and a richness and a fulfillment.
1:05:20 That’s all tremendously valuable,
1:05:24 even though it’s not yet this kind of shift into it,
1:05:26 or it’s weird shit that we’ve been talking about.
1:05:28 – Yeah, well, it’s funny ’cause I’ve had this practice
1:05:30 with you where it’s I’m working on a call and I’m sitting,
1:05:33 I’m not using headphones, I’m not using guided,
1:05:35 I’m just sitting and I’m working on it,
1:05:38 and I have a very structured practice on that front,
1:05:39 and then you came out with the app
1:05:43 and I started using it and in conjunction with my sitting,
1:05:46 and I found out that one of the things I loved about it
1:05:48 was that you have these different mountains,
1:05:50 the different retreats that you go through,
1:05:52 and it was rounding out my knowledge
1:05:53 in so many other ways,
1:05:57 which I think for me personally, just speaking from myself,
1:06:01 is like it created a stronger foundation of knowledge,
1:06:03 and I think with that stronger foundation,
1:06:05 no matter which way you decide to take it,
1:06:07 you’ll be better off because of that.
1:06:09 – That is exactly my hope,
1:06:12 that I think it’s much more wholesome to have
1:06:17 a well-rounded practice because it helps more of us.
1:06:19 We’re multi-dimensional creatures,
1:06:22 and if we put all our eggs in one basket,
1:06:24 other things are gonna suffer,
1:06:27 and there is a phenomenon they call spiritual bypassing,
1:06:30 where, and I’m sure I’ve been guilty of it,
1:06:35 where we’re so focused on spiritual attainment of some kind,
1:06:37 which we already know is a bad idea anyway,
1:06:39 ’cause they won’t help you get it,
1:06:41 but anyway, we’re focused on our practice,
1:06:45 and we’re looking to get all our well-being
1:06:46 out of our practice,
1:06:50 and lo and behold, my wife’s not so happy with me,
1:06:52 but darling, I’m doing all this great practice,
1:06:54 I’m becoming a more compassionate,
1:06:56 and it doesn’t matter that I’m ignoring you,
1:06:58 and going off to do these machines,
1:07:00 ’cause I’m actually working on being,
1:07:03 it does matter, and actually, man,
1:07:05 I could do a bit of connecting,
1:07:10 and so having the whole person
1:07:12 be on board with the practice,
1:07:13 it’s just much, much healthier.
1:07:16 – That’s one thing that I like about the Way App,
1:07:18 is it is not just marching towards enlightenment,
1:07:20 and enlightenment or bust,
1:07:23 as we’ve said a couple times, laughing.
1:07:27 It is this kind of, it feels more multimodal,
1:07:30 kind of different types of experiences
1:07:31 on each one of these kind of mountaintops
1:07:33 that you go through and traverse through,
1:07:34 which is really cool,
1:07:37 and I like that you’ve always been an advocate
1:07:38 for traditional therapy,
1:07:41 for you talk about internal family systems one time,
1:07:42 which I tried out, which was fantastic.
1:07:43 – Isn’t great, yeah.
1:07:44 – Yeah, and so it’s like,
1:07:47 yeah, we’ll get into a question about that in a second,
1:07:49 actually, there’s a question just about that, but.
1:07:51 – So I just wanna say one last thing, please.
1:07:53 – At the same time, as all we’ve just been saying,
1:07:56 I think it’s really valuable to talk about awakening
1:07:59 so people know it’s a real possibility,
1:08:01 and it is part of the picture,
1:08:03 ’cause people sometimes have experiences of it,
1:08:06 and but without any context,
1:08:08 they’d no idea what just happened.
1:08:10 I wanna be part of the,
1:08:13 could you call it educational,
1:08:17 part of the movement that is letting more people know
1:08:20 that it is a human capacity awakening,
1:08:24 and that it does have a name and it’s a real thing,
1:08:25 ’cause it can be so disorienting.
1:08:27 So I just wanted to state that.
1:08:29 It’s important, I think,
1:08:32 that it be recognized and acknowledged as well.
1:08:34 – It is very important because there is,
1:08:36 like for example, I mean, you said this very,
1:08:38 you were very young when you had this experience,
1:08:40 and you were like, “What the hell was that?”
1:08:43 And Eckhart Tolle is another one
1:08:45 where he was near suicidal,
1:08:47 had this amazing awakening opening moment,
1:08:50 and he’s famous for saying that he just sat on park benches
1:08:52 in the kind of the state of awe
1:08:54 for weeks and months at a time,
1:08:56 not knowing what had happened to him.
1:08:59 And so it’s like, it can pop like that randomly,
1:09:01 which is crazy.
1:09:03 – Yes, yes, exactly.
1:09:05 – Okay, cool, so a couple of questions.
1:09:06 Last one, Tim wanted me to ask you,
1:09:10 is caffeine helpful or hurtful prior to sitting?
1:09:13 – Look, there’s a deep relationship
1:09:16 between tea and meditation.
1:09:19 I think both in India and in China and in Japan,
1:09:21 and tea is caffeinated.
1:09:22 There’s a reason for it.
1:09:25 I think if you can have,
1:09:28 if you just have straight coffee,
1:09:30 I think have what you want.
1:09:33 There’s one Zen master, I never sat with him,
1:09:37 but I know that his students at one point
1:09:40 were kind of, they were all sort of purists who said,
1:09:43 we shouldn’t have coffee on retreats,
1:09:45 on deep Zen sessions.
1:09:47 They call session intensive meditation.
1:09:48 – I have broken that rule at your Zendo.
1:09:49 I apologize.
1:09:51 – No, you’re glad you did.
1:09:53 ‘Cause this guy was called Pat Hawke Roshi, actually.
1:09:55 He died a few years ago.
1:09:58 And he said, when they were asking him,
1:10:01 can we, we want to abolish coffee,
1:10:04 he said, no coffee, no Pat.
1:10:07 And I was, he wouldn’t show up for the retreat
1:10:08 if they didn’t have coffee.
1:10:09 – Wow.
1:10:10 – They’re gonna have coffee.
1:10:11 – That’s crazy.
1:10:13 – I think it’s, I think whatever, experiment.
1:10:14 – Yeah.
1:10:18 – I, yeah, I think there’s a reason
1:10:20 that tea has been part of it.
1:10:23 – Do you know the Japanese story or origins of tea?
1:10:25 – Did you ever, did you ever, did you ever see one?
1:10:27 – I know the Chinese with Bodhidharma.
1:10:30 – Oh, so there’s two, there’s probably multiple,
1:10:33 but the founding stories of tea, just for,
1:10:34 it’s a fun little anthem.
1:10:35 So Shanang, who I have tattooed here,
1:10:40 which is the Chinese herbalist that was,
1:10:42 they think it was the real one that discovered it.
1:10:44 The first one to actually write it down.
1:10:45 And that was like pretty straightforward.
1:10:47 He found some leaves, he put it in some boiling water
1:10:49 and like felt something was like,
1:10:50 this is kind of awesome, right?
1:10:52 And then the Japanese are so cool
1:10:55 where they have this story where like their founding,
1:10:57 you know, father of tea was this man
1:11:00 who was having trouble meditating
1:11:01 and so do you know what I’m about to say?
1:11:05 And so he cut off his eyelids to keep his eyes open
1:11:06 so he wouldn’t fall asleep.
1:11:08 And he threw his eyelids on the ground
1:11:09 and it grew tea plants.
1:11:11 – Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
1:11:13 But that’s the story of Bodhidharma.
1:11:14 – Oh, yeah.
1:11:15 – It’s not the eyelids, is it?
1:11:16 – It is.
1:11:17 – It is?
1:11:17 – Yeah.
1:11:20 He’s in his cave sitting for nine years in China.
1:11:22 – Why did they say that was a Japanese thing as well?
1:11:23 Maybe that was–
1:11:24 – Well, that was because it’s part of the Zen.
1:11:26 – Is it come through Zen?
1:11:27 – Interesting, I did not know that.
1:11:29 Okay, so now you’re, that’s fascinating.
1:11:30 So that is–
1:11:35 – You know, he came from India to China, bringing Zen
1:11:38 with him, apparently, met an emperor
1:11:40 of the southern kingdom of China
1:11:44 and who kind of had a sort of Zen interview with him,
1:11:47 didn’t understand what Bodhidharma was saying at all.
1:11:50 And Bodhidharma left, crossed the Yangtze River
1:11:52 on a single blade of grass
1:11:53 and then went off to Shaolin
1:11:55 and sat in a cave for nine years.
1:11:57 And while he was sitting there, he was getting sleepy
1:11:59 so cut off his eyelids.
1:12:01 Exactly, three to one grand tea.
1:12:02 – I love those stories
1:12:03 ’cause they’re just so entertaining
1:12:06 when you hear those fables around this stuff.
1:12:08 – Well, he said, hey, do you know the story of when he died?
1:12:09 – No.
1:12:10 – That’s pretty amazing.
1:12:13 When Bodhidharma died, they put him in a cave
1:12:16 and rolled a big stone into the mouth of the cave,
1:12:17 which might sound familiar.
1:12:18 – Yeah, yeah.
1:12:21 – So three days later, there’s an official
1:12:23 who’s been away somewhere in the far west.
1:12:27 He’s walking back to the town where Bodhidharma
1:12:28 was living and just died.
1:12:31 And he meets Bodhidharma on the road carrying a sandal.
1:12:34 And he says, hey, Bodhidharma, where are you going?
1:12:35 What’s happening?
1:12:37 And Bodhidharma said, I’m going home.
1:12:38 As though it’s had little exchange
1:12:41 and the guy carries on, gets to the town.
1:12:43 Says, I heard Bodhidharma left.
1:12:45 Said, no, no, Bodhidharma’s here.
1:12:47 He just died three or four days ago.
1:12:48 He said, no, he didn’t.
1:12:50 I just met him on the road.
1:12:53 So they go to the cave and roll the stone out of the mouth.
1:12:55 Sure enough, Bodhidharma’s not there.
1:12:58 But he left one sandal behind.
1:13:00 – That’s an amazing little zen detail.
1:13:03 – So many resurrections with the stone going away, you know?
1:13:04 – Isn’t it incredible?
1:13:05 – Yeah.
1:13:07 – All right, so a couple quick questions.
1:13:09 These came in from folks that were emailing in.
1:13:13 When being asked, what is the nature of the clock
1:13:16 or some other type of traditional koan?
1:13:21 Do you think there is value in that kind of approach
1:13:23 to zen in modern society?
1:13:25 Are there any similar practices
1:13:29 that are equivalent to koans based on modern approaches?
1:13:32 – Yeah, look, I think, I mean, what I would say
1:13:36 is that koans actually are about our modern life.
1:13:40 It’s true that they’ll use old fashioned terminology
1:13:41 and things that we don’t have.
1:13:45 Like there’s one koan where a master hits someone
1:13:48 with a thing called a chin rest.
1:13:50 So nobody knows what a chin rest is.
1:13:53 It’s actually when monks were meditating a lot
1:13:57 and they’re gonna even do multiple days on end meditating,
1:14:00 they would have a board with a kind of support on the end
1:14:02 and rest it under their chin while sitting
1:14:05 so that they can actually sleep while sitting.
1:14:07 So who knows what, nobody would,
1:14:09 you never see that in modern life.
1:14:14 So yeah, you could change that to a cushion
1:14:17 or something instead of a chin rest.
1:14:20 And it would make no difference
1:14:22 because the koans aren’t,
1:14:25 I hope I’m not saying this question correctly,
1:14:27 but it’s right that there are things
1:14:29 that come from another time and place
1:14:32 and they could actually,
1:14:34 really they could just as well be contemporary things.
1:14:37 ‘Cause the point is, again,
1:14:42 that they’re attempting to draw us back into
1:14:48 the reality out of which all objects arise.
1:14:53 So, and the reality that all our experience is made of.
1:14:57 So whether it’s a weird Chinese implement
1:15:01 called a chin rest or whether it’s a glass today,
1:15:05 it’s actually the koan’s job is exactly the same.
1:15:10 It’s inviting us to realize that there is a reality,
1:15:14 there’s a level of experience in which,
1:15:15 and it’s here right now,
1:15:19 this glass and the mind that’s seeing the glass
1:15:22 and the arm and hand that are holding the glass,
1:15:27 they’re all made of that same awareness,
1:15:30 reality, experience.
1:15:33 They’re all expressions of it,
1:15:36 of one level of reality.
1:15:39 They’re all coming out of it, they’re all made of it.
1:15:42 So, and from that point of view,
1:15:47 they’re just as relevant today as 2,000 years ago.
1:15:49 They must be, you know,
1:15:51 ’cause they’re actually about something
1:15:55 that sort of I always feel is like just behind
1:15:57 our ordinary experience.
1:15:59 And actually, there is a Zen phrase,
1:16:02 take the backward step that shines the light inward,
1:16:06 like withdraw this little bit and then you get illuminated
1:16:09 and then you see what all this is in a different way.
1:16:10 – Excellent.
1:16:11 – A couple more questions for you.
1:16:12 – Sure.
1:16:14 – All right, next one here from Cody.
1:16:17 “Hi, Henry, big fan of your Mountain Cloud Zendo
1:16:19 “and your meditation at the Way.
1:16:23 “I’m having a great time going through all the trails.
1:16:24 “Questions on the differences
1:16:27 “between the various meditation-based religions,
1:16:32 “Thiruvada, Buddhism, Mahayana.”
1:16:34 I always get that one hard to pronounce.
1:16:38 “Hindu and Zen all can claim meditation masters
1:16:41 “that have taken the practice almost as far as it can go,
1:16:44 “but come to different conclusions on past lives
1:16:46 “and death, conclusions, I would imagine,
1:16:51 “that come from learnings directly from meditation.
1:16:53 “Why do you think that is?”
1:16:56 So these different teachers having slightly different takes
1:16:58 but yet are going very deep
1:16:59 and are having these awakening moments.
1:17:02 Why are they having different conclusions?
1:17:04 – Yeah, so yeah, let me just sort of throw that
1:17:06 in a little intersense perspective,
1:17:11 particularly in the Hindu world and the Thiruvada world,
1:17:14 there’s a lot of emphasis on reincarnation,
1:17:16 or at least it’s there.
1:17:20 Whereas in, you can find it in Mahayana as well,
1:17:22 but you can also find Mahayana Buddhism
1:17:23 that doesn’t speak about it
1:17:25 and Zen also does not speak about it.
1:17:27 It just doesn’t go there.
1:17:30 And my friend Stephen Batchelor,
1:17:34 who’s a fantastic Buddhist practitioner and author,
1:17:39 he’s written quite a lot about Thiruvada Buddhism mostly,
1:17:40 somewhat about Zen as well.
1:17:42 He’s a really interesting guy.
1:17:44 He wrote a great book called Buddhism Without Beliefs.
1:17:47 And his argument, take this or leave this,
1:17:50 but he believes that the cultural context
1:17:55 in which Buddhism emerged already had reincarnationism
1:17:58 as a sort of standard part of their worldview.
1:18:01 Therefore, early Buddhism just adopted that
1:18:05 and slightly repurposed it for Buddhism, but not much.
1:18:07 I mean, it’s basically the same system.
1:18:09 By the way, just a footnote,
1:18:13 there are different kinds of reincarnationist belief.
1:18:15 And this one, the one that we’re familiar with,
1:18:18 it’s called tripartite ’cause it has three threads to it.
1:18:22 One is that the reincarnations are a kind of,
1:18:24 they have a potential sort of moral hierarchy.
1:18:27 You can get sort of better and better births
1:18:30 and there’s a kind of final outcome you hope for,
1:18:33 which is release from being born again.
1:18:35 And in some traditions, that’s what Nirvana means.
1:18:37 You’re not gonna get born again.
1:18:39 And I think another element in that system
1:18:42 is that you can sort of go up and down the hierarchy,
1:18:44 depending on how you behave and live.
1:18:49 But Zen just, I think Zen’s just not interested.
1:18:53 Let’s just understand what this moment is, shall we?
1:18:54 Or let’s understand this life.
1:18:58 There’s enough to be getting on with right here in this life.
1:19:00 And actually there’s enough to be getting on with right here
1:19:03 in this very moment.
1:19:08 All answers, in a sense, are only in one place, right here.
1:19:13 And so why would we be speculating about other worlds
1:19:15 that we’re born into and other?
1:19:20 And then again, I find this always a bit perplexing.
1:19:26 I mean, it is a path of untangling the tangled knot
1:19:31 of self and finding that it was just a tangle.
1:19:39 And when it’s untangled, there isn’t something there.
1:19:43 What is it that gets, that would go on to another life?
1:19:49 One of the core sort of insights of Buddhism is no self.
1:19:53 That it’s a bit like complex systems,
1:19:57 that systems have their own sort of dynamic they develop.
1:19:58 And that’s what’s happening here.
1:20:01 Multiple systems are being this life,
1:20:04 but there isn’t one hard core self
1:20:09 that can be pinpointed as this is me.
1:20:14 That’s actually, in a way, sort of core of the practice.
1:20:15 So what on earth would it be
1:20:19 that theoretically might go into another life?
1:20:24 I’ve never really quite understood that.
1:20:25 – What do you think is like,
1:20:27 if you have these different sects
1:20:30 that all have their own enlightened masters
1:20:34 and they have slightly different viewpoints,
1:20:37 is that just the thinking mind kind of engaging?
1:20:39 And ’cause like, in some sense,
1:20:42 like there’s no such thing as like a perfect being, right?
1:20:46 So it’s like, we’re never gonna have the perfect clear
1:20:49 like picture in this entity, right?
1:20:51 Do you believe that’s kind of what’s going on here?
1:20:53 And why we have slightly different takes
1:20:56 on different things is it’s a little bit of like,
1:20:57 to your point about kind of playing in some
1:20:59 of the culture aspects and rolling those
1:21:03 into what your beliefs are or, you know,
1:21:04 but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
1:21:06 – No, no, this is different.
1:21:06 – Yeah, exactly.
1:21:08 I don’t think it’s good or bad,
1:21:11 but I think it probably is cultural context.
1:21:14 If I’d been brought up, you know,
1:21:16 in a very theistic context,
1:21:19 and I’d had that experience that I had when I was 19,
1:21:22 when I had a first awakening
1:21:25 that we just referenced a little bit a while ago,
1:21:29 might I have thought I’d met God?
1:21:31 I suppose I might have,
1:21:33 and I might have been very convinced to that.
1:21:35 Wow, now I had real proof God exists.
1:21:39 But I was brought up without a belief of that kind.
1:21:40 – Yeah.
1:21:42 – So I just didn’t go there, you know?
1:21:43 – It’s kind of like the book,
1:21:45 ‘The Cloud of Unknowing’, right?
1:21:47 – Yeah, well, that man, that’s a deep book.
1:21:48 Gosh, I love that.
1:21:50 – But it’s very much like,
1:21:51 so we don’t know who wrote it, is that correct?
1:21:52 – Correct, Anonymous Author.
1:21:54 – Anonymous Author, but it feels like
1:21:56 it was potentially a Catholic monk or–
1:22:00 – Yeah, it was a 14th century, I think, in English.
1:22:05 And Catholic Catholicism was the only available option
1:22:08 back in those days in Northern Europe and Western Europe.
1:22:09 So it would have been a Catholic monk.
1:22:11 – Did you want to explain that book real quick?
1:22:12 ‘Cause this is a great example of somebody
1:22:14 that had an awakening type–
1:22:17 – Oh, my gosh, yeah, I know, he was very, very deep.
1:22:20 I mean, actually, do we know that it was a guy?
1:22:21 I don’t know if we know that.
1:22:26 The author had clearly gone very deep
1:22:30 in this contemplative, meditative journey
1:22:31 and had come to the conclusion
1:22:36 that God was sort of absolutely unknowable.
1:22:40 So what they meant when they said the word God
1:22:43 was not like our notions of Yahweh,
1:22:48 the ruler in the sky and his sort of tribal God of Israel,
1:22:52 his smite-mind enemies and all that.
1:22:53 Nothing like that at all.
1:22:59 Rather, it was a place of thorough unknowing,
1:23:01 of just not knowing.
1:23:05 And you could get deeper and deeper into that not knowing
1:23:09 until there was kind of nothing there.
1:23:13 So it’s very like Buddhist awakening, Zen awakening,
1:23:17 where you can get to the state where there’s less
1:23:21 and less and less content until there’s no content.
1:23:23 And it’s just a vast,
1:23:25 but you can’t even say it’s vast, actually.
1:23:27 It’s a dimensionless,
1:23:31 sizeless, spaceless, timeless.
1:23:32 – Right.
1:23:35 – And somehow it’s part of our makeup.
1:23:40 So we humans can actually experience it.
1:23:44 And more than that, in a certain way, we can’t not.
1:23:46 I mean, we can not experience it,
1:23:49 but we are always made of it.
1:23:50 – Yeah.
1:23:52 And what’s fascinating about this particular book
1:23:53 is in correct me if I’m wrong,
1:23:57 but it felt as though you have Buddhism over here,
1:24:00 and this seemed to be more on the kind of like,
1:24:03 maybe potentially Catholic side of the house.
1:24:05 And we know there’s been these awakening type moments
1:24:09 and very deep prayer states, things of that nature.
1:24:11 So it’s like in some sense,
1:24:15 there’s multiple mountaintops here to be discovered.
1:24:17 And it doesn’t have to be like,
1:24:20 people can get to the same more or less arena
1:24:24 through different modalities and traditions.
1:24:25 – Absolutely.
1:24:27 In fact, in my new book, Original Love,
1:24:28 I talk about going to Mount Athos,
1:24:33 which is this holy mountain of the Greek Orthodox church
1:24:36 and meeting an abbot there who was describing
1:24:40 the time when in his language, he saw the face of God.
1:24:41 And it was a moment when he was looking,
1:24:45 he was riding the ferry back to the peninsula
1:24:48 of Mount Athos from the local town in the evening.
1:24:51 And he saw the holy mountain
1:24:56 and it just dissolved into nothing and him too.
1:24:59 I was a classic Zen awakening.
1:25:03 But in his language, it was seeing the face of God.
1:25:06 And then he went on beyond that in his training
1:25:09 to learn to see the face of God in everything.
1:25:13 And that’s kind of, of course, different language,
1:25:16 but very similar kind of training
1:25:20 to find the timeless in every moment,
1:25:25 to find the marvel of things arising in every moment.
1:25:29 And to taste this a certain way is sort of,
1:25:31 I want to say a vastness that’s present.
1:25:33 It’s also sizeless though.
1:25:35 So it’s not the right language
1:25:39 and it’s an emptiness and it’s a fullness at the same time.
1:25:40 And it’s right here.
1:25:41 It’s really right here.
1:25:43 But once again, I don’t want to give the impression
1:25:47 that this app is just solely laser focused on awakening.
1:25:51 No, that’s, it’s part of our human makeup.
1:25:53 And the whole journey of meditation
1:25:58 is kind of developing in all these different dimensions
1:26:01 that help us be human.
1:26:06 And help us be ourselves more fully and amply
1:26:10 and in turn, of course, be more helpful in the world
1:26:15 and serve our fellow creatures, our fellow beings.
1:26:17 – It’s a great point, right?
1:26:20 Because in some sense, like there’s this idea that,
1:26:25 oh, if you have these states of bliss
1:26:27 and everything falls away and everything is empty
1:26:32 and you might lose the sight of what matters here
1:26:35 and now with everyday world affairs, right?
1:26:36 – Yes, totally.
1:26:38 – And so there’s like some sense of like,
1:26:41 well, actually this will probably sharpen your compassion
1:26:44 and make you more effective in some ways in this life.
1:26:45 – Exactly.
1:26:47 And I always say, when people think,
1:26:48 aren’t you checking out?
1:26:51 ‘Cause sometimes a criticism that is sometimes made
1:26:54 of spiritual practitioners is they get attached to,
1:26:56 they’ve had some great awakening,
1:26:59 they sort of get attached to it, can happen.
1:27:04 But my view is like, if you really see through,
1:27:07 you know there’s nothing to get attached to.
1:27:10 And you also know that what you’ve realized
1:27:12 is present everywhere.
1:27:14 So there’s absolutely no need to be,
1:27:17 I wanna be in that checked out spiritual state.
1:27:20 Not at all, it should knock that away completely.
1:27:23 A really deep experience should just do away with that.
1:27:26 Or even a maybe not so deep experience, I don’t know,
1:27:28 but we can have experiences that knock that away
1:27:31 ’cause we know that it is everywhere
1:27:33 and it cannot but be everywhere.
1:27:37 So there’s no need to be trying to cling to it.
1:27:38 See what I mean?
1:27:40 It’s like, you don’t have to stay in some special state.
1:27:42 It’s just all this, you know,
1:27:45 and you’re in the thick of it all the time.
1:27:49 So no need to be trying to have a certain kind of experience.
1:27:51 We’re in the thick of it.
1:27:54 And but the difference is where we’ve been through it.
1:27:57 It’s like, yeah, we’re less attached to the little dictator,
1:28:01 you know, and we’re more able to,
1:28:04 I don’t, I’m always hesitant to,
1:28:07 I don’t like doing down the sense of self actually,
1:28:08 although it might sound like I have
1:28:11 because I think it just needs to be loved.
1:28:15 And it actually, by loving ourself,
1:28:18 we actually get closer to letting go of self.
1:28:23 Weirdly, but we do.
1:28:24 I’m sure that’s true.
1:28:28 It’s by, if we think we’re, we don’t want it,
1:28:29 we want to get rid of it, you know?
1:28:31 That’s what I’ve heard people talking about,
1:28:36 spiritual teachers, sort of release from yourself or something.
1:28:38 – Yeah, so it’s more of embracing of what–
1:28:41 – I think it’s more embracing right now, yeah, yeah.
1:28:44 ‘Cause actually if we’re trying to sort of get rid of it,
1:28:46 that’s the self doing that.
1:28:49 I mean, it’s actually the self thing,
1:28:50 I don’t want the self.
1:28:51 – Right, right, right.
1:28:52 – ‘Cause the self does a version.
1:28:54 – Like who’s saying that you want to get rid of it?
1:28:55 – Yeah, exactly, exactly.
1:28:58 – Amazing, Henry, real quick to wrap up,
1:29:02 obviously thewayapp.com, fantastic,
1:29:04 there’s a free trial, you got to try it out there,
1:29:07 so you have these great sits combined
1:29:11 with some great talks on video as well, which is fun.
1:29:13 iOS and Android, which is great.
1:29:16 And then also your new book,
1:29:17 we didn’t go deep on the new book,
1:29:20 but can you give me like the 30 second kind of version
1:29:23 of, it’s probably not long enough to talk to the book.
1:29:24 Why did you write this book?
1:29:26 Why now and what’s behind it?
1:29:29 – Oh man, I think it’s so needed,
1:29:32 a clear map of the possibilities of meditation.
1:29:35 That like we’ve been saying, mindfulness,
1:29:38 connection, flow, and awakening.
1:29:40 And they’re not all the same,
1:29:42 and they’re all immensely valuable,
1:29:45 and the healthiest practice has all of them.
1:29:47 When we find, when we get a hint of awakening,
1:29:49 a glimpse of awakening,
1:29:51 this current love surges up,
1:29:54 ’cause we just feel such love for everything,
1:29:55 it’s a common thing.
1:29:59 In Zen, they talk about original nature and original face,
1:30:00 seeing your original face
1:30:02 that you’ve had since before you were born.
1:30:05 That’s a terminology for having an awakening experience.
1:30:08 And I just said to myself,
1:30:10 love’s always there, it’s original love.
1:30:13 And it’s the same lovingness
1:30:15 that helps us soften in our emotional lives
1:30:17 through mindfulness,
1:30:18 that helps us connect with others more
1:30:20 and help others more.
1:30:23 And I say that when we have flow states
1:30:26 and absorption states in meditation,
1:30:29 it’s like falling in love with this moment.
1:30:32 So there’s sort of thread of love through it all,
1:30:35 but it’s not the usual meanings of love really.
1:30:38 It’s this unconditional well-being, basically.
1:30:40 – Fantastic.
1:30:41 – That’s it in a nutshell.
1:30:42 – And it’s on, I listened to it on Audible
1:30:44 and you read it yourself, which is awesome as well.
1:30:47 So, you can check that out, original love,
1:30:48 Audible or Amazon.
1:30:51 And yeah, in your website as well, right?
1:30:54 – Oh yeah, yeah, HenryShutman.com has some stuff on it.
1:30:55 – Yeah, ’cause you’re doing retreats
1:30:56 and all kinds of stuff.
1:31:00 And also you’re doing some more Zoom big group calls,
1:31:01 I know, with the app.
1:31:04 And there’s a lot of fun stuff to dig into here.
1:31:06 So, Henry, thanks for being on the show.
1:31:08 – Okay, but thanks so much for everything.
1:31:09 – That was awesome.

0:00:04 Hey everyone, Kevin Rose here. I am on my iPhone. I am in the middle of nowhere,
0:00:09 about two and a half hours outside of London, doing a little hike out here for a few days.
0:00:14 But I wanted to publish a quick little podcast that tells you about a new article that I have,
0:00:21 which is all around creating your own custom AI agents that take in any data that you upload.
0:00:26 And in this case, for the article that I wrote, it’s all about taking in book data. So you get
0:00:33 a PDF of any book and you can upload it to your own custom GPT and then ask questions of that book,
0:00:38 not questions in the sense that you get quoted answers from the book, but where the AI actually
0:00:45 assimilates the information inside of the book and then can act as your mentor and help you with
0:00:49 whatever framework is in that book. So in the example I gave in the article, I uploaded a book
0:00:55 called Crucial Conversations and it’s helping me do negotiations and a whole slew of different
0:00:59 things that I’ve been using for lately. It’s a really fascinating way to leverage books, to let
0:01:06 books become living, breathing, kind of acting agents on your behalf that are your guides,
0:01:10 your coaches in everyday life. And you got to go check it out. It’s a free article. It’s over
0:01:16 at KevinRose.com. But what’s even more crazy is I took that article that I wrote and I dumped it
0:01:24 into Notebook, which is a new feature from Google that is actually a way to upload various different
0:01:30 documents inside of this AI environment. It’s called Notebook LM from Google. And then you can
0:01:34 ask questions of that data. So there’s a lot of competing companies that are working more or less
0:01:39 in the same vein. This is Google’s offering. There’s also obviously Claude. Let’s you upload their own
0:01:46 custom files as well. And then you can create custom GPTs with chat GPT. Anyway, long story
0:01:50 short, the one thing that’s fun about Google and Notebook is that you can click a button and it
0:01:59 creates a podcast from your data. So what you are about to hear right now is 100% AI, zero edits.
0:02:06 I didn’t prompt it in any way. All I did was give it the article from my actual published blog post
0:02:12 that I put on my site. And it created a podcast with two hosts to explain the article to you. So
0:02:18 enjoy that. This is all AI. And then go check out the article at KevinRose.com. Also, lastly,
0:02:25 before we get started, I’ve lowered the fees on my sub-stack. It’s $5 a month now, primarily because
0:02:29 it’s not a business for me. But I want to have a little bit of a wall guard and I’ll weigh that
0:02:34 if you’re really into this stuff and you want to chat more about everything that’s going on with AI
0:02:39 or that’s going on with, you know, investments that we’re excited about or a whole slew of
0:02:43 different topics that we cover in our chat. We have a private chat that is for members only.
0:02:47 It’s only $5 a month now. I’ve been donating all the proceeds to charity.
0:02:51 We’ve funded some great studies. So go check that out over at KevinRose.com as well.
0:02:56 And I hope to see you in chat and we’ll have some fun in there. All right, enjoy this. This is AI.
0:03:00 And remember, this is, I mean, enough people have said this now, but this is the worst it’s ever
0:03:04 going to be. Like this is in two years from now, you’re not even going to know whether this is me
0:03:08 or not. It’s actually going to sound like a real legit podcast, which is kind of cool because then
0:03:12 I can just stop podcasting and just let AI do it for me. Anyway, enjoy this.
0:03:17 – Ever find yourself in that situation where you read something amazing, like some insightful
0:03:21 advice in a book, but you can’t quite figure out how to apply it to your own life.
0:03:26 – Yeah, I totally get that. It’s super common. It’s like absorbing the information is one thing,
0:03:31 right? But actually taking that and making it work for you in your day to day, that’s the real hurdle.
0:03:35 – It’s like you almost wish you could have a personal coaching session with the author,
0:03:39 you know, to really break down the key takeaways and figure out, okay,
0:03:43 how do I actually use this advice? – Absolutely. It’s about making that theoretical knowledge
0:03:48 work in a practical way and everyone’s situation is different. So that’s a big part of it too.
0:03:56 – Totally. Well, on that note, get this, you could actually use AI to basically turn any book into
0:04:02 your own personal coach using this thing called custom GPTs. – Exactly. And this technology,
0:04:06 it’s really changing how we learn in such a cool way because it makes it so personalized.
0:04:11 – Okay. I have to be honest, that sounds a little intimidating, Techie. Can you break
0:04:18 it down? Like what exactly is a custom GPT? – Okay. So picture this. It’s like having a digital
0:04:22 version of the author right there with you, ready to answer any question you have and give you advice
0:04:27 based on their expertise. And you can bet their advice comes straight from the source, the book
0:04:31 itself. – Okay. So it’s like it learns everything in the book, but then how do I actually use it?
0:04:37 So you upload the book, usually as a PDF, the AI then goes through it all. And I don’t mean just
0:04:42 skimming. It’s really going deep, processing everything to understand the nuances, the main
0:04:47 arguments, everything. And once it’s done that, you can ask it questions related to your own life.
0:04:52 – Okay. So for example, let’s say I’m prepping for this big presentation at work,
0:04:57 and I’m super nervous. I’m reading crucial conversations to get some tips. So with this,
0:05:01 I could actually use the custom GPT to help me prep for the presentation.
0:05:07 – You got it. You would upload crucial conversations. And then you could ask your GPT
0:05:12 something like, okay, how do I handle tough questions from the audience during my presentation?
0:05:17 And it would use the book’s strategies and give you advice specific to that situation,
0:05:21 just like you had your own personal coach. – That’s amazing. So theoretically,
0:05:25 you could have access to personalized expert guidance on pretty much any topic,
0:05:30 just by giving the AI the right book. – Exactly. Think of it as having your own
0:05:33 private workshop with the author, but it’s tailored to you and you can do it anytime.
0:05:39 – It really makes you think differently about how we learn. It’s not just passively reading anymore.
0:05:44 It’s about being able to really engage with the material and make it work in our own lives.
0:05:50 – That’s exactly what custom GPTs do so well. They bridge that gap. You understand the what,
0:05:54 but they help you figure out the how, and in a way that really matters to you.
0:05:59 – It’s like having the ultimate cheat sheet, but even better because you’re actually learning
0:06:02 the how and the why behind it all. – Yeah, totally. It’s about giving you the
0:06:07 knowledge to handle those tricky situations that come up in life. – Okay, so let’s say I’m sold.
0:06:14 I want in on this whole custom GPT thing. What’s it like? Do I need to be some kind of tech wizard?
0:06:18 – Not at all. It’s getting easier to use all the time. There are platforms now where it’s
0:06:23 literally just uploading your PDF and the AI takes it from there. – So just to make sure I’m
0:06:30 getting this right, if let’s say I have trouble giving feedback at work, I want to be honest,
0:06:36 but I also don’t want to be mean about it. Could I use a book on communication skills
0:06:41 and get advice for my specific situation? – Absolutely. You could upload that book and
0:06:47 ask your GPT something like, okay, how do I tell my coworker their presentation needs work without
0:06:51 totally crushing them? – And it would use what’s in the book, but make it make sense for that
0:06:56 conversation. That’s wild. It’s like a private coaching session, but with the wisdom of a whole
0:07:00 book behind it. – Exactly. That’s what’s so cool about it. You have this huge amount of knowledge,
0:07:06 but it helps you focus on the parts that matter most for your situation, for what you’re going
0:07:10 through. – This makes me think about all the books I’ve read and wished I could revisit
0:07:17 with like a specific problem in mind, but I’m curious, does it just like spit back quotes from
0:07:22 the book? Or is it really understanding the information and creating something new? – It’s
0:07:26 way more than just spitting back quotes. It’s trained on everything, so it understands the
0:07:32 context, the examples, the whole deal. Then it uses all that to give you an answer. – So it’s not
0:07:37 copying its understanding, which makes me feel better. – And since it’s AI, it never stops learning,
0:07:43 becoming more sophisticated in how it uses the information. – It makes you rethink how we learn.
0:07:47 It’s not just knowing a lot of stuff now. It’s about being able to actually use it when you need to.
0:07:51 – That’s a really important point. There’s so much information out there, but being able to use
0:07:57 what you learn is more valuable than ever. – Totally. It’s like that saying, knowledge is power,
0:08:03 but only if you know how to use it, right? – Right. – And this custom GPT thing, it’s like that key
0:08:08 to unlocking that power in a way that makes sense for you. – Exactly. It connects that gap between
0:08:13 just knowing something and being able to do something with that knowledge. – Okay, so just to be clear,
0:08:17 we’re not saying this makes you an expert overnight or anything, right? It’s more about
0:08:22 having those tools to learn from the best and put it into practice. – Exactly. It’s like having a
0:08:27 secret weapon to help you navigate all the tricky parts of life and work. – It’s like having a whole
0:08:31 team of experts in your back pocket ready to share their wisdom whenever you need it. – And
0:08:36 the coolest thing is, it’s becoming so much more accessible. – Right. You don’t have to be a genius
0:08:41 or spend a ton of money. – You really don’t. A lot of times, all you need is a book and the
0:08:45 internet. That’s it. – It’s pretty amazing when you think about it. Makes you wonder what’s next
0:08:51 for this whole thing. – Oh, it’s changing so fast. Imagine being able to combine multiple books.
0:08:58 – Whoa, okay. So you’re saying like creating a custom GPT from like a bunch of different experts?
0:09:04 – Exactly. Think about it. Your own personal board of advisors, all those perspectives coming
0:09:08 together. – That’s mind-blowing. The things you could do with that kind of knowledge,
0:09:12 it’s incredible. – It really is. It’ll be interesting to see where this technology goes,
0:09:17 you know, how we use it to learn in the future. – Well, this has been a really eye-opening deep
0:09:22 dive. – I agree. – I know. I’m definitely rethinking how I learn and how I can use these tools
0:09:27 to really make the most of what I read. – Me too. It’s exciting to see how technology can help us
0:09:32 learn and grow, you know. – Absolutely. And for everyone listening, we want to hear from you.
0:09:37 What book would you choose for your own custom GPT coach? What situation would you use it for?
0:09:40 Think about that as you explore this whole new world of AI-powered learning.

0:00:03 – ♪ What the fuck is up, bro ♪
0:00:05 – We’re back. – Look at that.
0:00:06 – I’m a sciatica.
0:00:08 – I was a child of the 90s, Kevin.
0:00:11 – First of all, did you ever have crushes
0:00:12 on animated characters?
0:00:14 – Of course, Princess Elura from Voltron.
0:00:15 – Snake Eyes is cool.
0:00:16 I always thought they could get together.
0:00:17 – Snake Eyes is cute, but I get you.
0:00:19 (laughing)
0:00:21 – I don’t want to undergo circumcision.
0:00:22 For this one, I’d have to see a picture
0:00:24 before I could weigh in.
0:00:25 – Of what?
0:00:27 – No one wants to be chased by a cocaine shark.
0:00:29 – Oh, Jesus.
0:00:31 – You didn’t even think about that.
0:00:32 – And I’ve had a couple drinks.
0:00:35 Can I eat one and just see what happens?
0:00:36 – Oh, it’s calling 911.
0:00:38 – What’s up, bro?
0:00:39 – Glenn’s here.
0:00:40 – Hey!
0:00:41 – Yeah!
0:00:44 – El, you’ve just been like fucking forever.
0:00:45 – It’s been about 12 years.
0:00:47 – Fuck me.
0:00:48 – Yeah, what’s up, man?
0:00:50 – Yeah.
0:00:52 – Let’s see what happens.
0:00:58 – Welcome to Dave Nation.
0:01:03 You’re also potentially hazardous to your health.
0:01:06 – All right, moving on.
0:01:08 Why do you just fly?
0:01:09 You’re freaking out.
0:01:10 I’ve noticed this earlier.
0:01:12 – In Southern California, and I have fruit.
0:01:14 – You put zombie, and you put deer in the title,
0:01:16 and I don’t want to do it.
0:01:19 – Dignation.com
0:01:20 – Hey, friends, if you’re watching this right now,
0:01:23 real quick, you should know, this is the last time
0:01:25 I’m gonna publish an episode of “Dignation”
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0:01:31 We have our own dedicated “Dignation” page now.
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0:02:00 – Hello, friends and family, and welcome to “Dignation.”
0:02:01 My name is Kevin Rose.
0:02:02 – And I’m Alex Albrecht.
0:02:05 “Dignation” now covers some of the hottest topics
0:02:09 that we find interesting across the worldwide web.
0:02:12 Some of those young kids call it the WWS.
0:02:14 – Yes, we also use chatGBT,
0:02:16 and other sources to find information these days.
0:02:18 – We do, although I’d say you more than me.
0:02:19 – That’s right.
0:02:20 – You’re like Mr. ChatGBT.
0:02:21 – No, perplexity is worth it.
0:02:22 – Dude, all of them, I like to use them,
0:02:25 although I will say…
0:02:26 – Oh, okay.
0:02:27 – Oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:02:29 Did you, so what happened?
0:02:30 Did you actually acquire these?
0:02:32 – Okay, yeah, so before we get into the show,
0:02:33 we can have a beer.
0:02:34 – Okay.
0:02:35 – So I failed on the beer front.
0:02:37 First of all, Glenn’s here.
0:02:38 – Hey!
0:02:39 – Yay!
0:02:40 – Holy hell.
0:02:41 – Welcome back.
0:02:42 – How is that even possible?
0:02:44 – How’s it possible?
0:02:45 – Time travel.
0:02:46 – Time travel.
0:02:47 – What’s up, sir?
0:02:49 Good to see you.
0:02:50 – What’s up, guys?
0:02:50 – It’s so good to see you, brother.
0:02:53 – Is this Pliny the Elder, like the fancy Pliny the Elder?
0:02:54 – Hold on, we’ll talk about that.
0:02:55 But let me tell you the Glenn story.
0:02:57 So here’s the horrible Glenn story.
0:02:58 – Whoa.
0:02:59 – The Glenn story is that like,
0:03:00 and remember in our episode,
0:03:02 we were like, oh, Glenn can’t make it.
0:03:04 – Yeah, we did the in-member in-members,
0:03:05 so it’s a fine thing.
0:03:06 – Yeah, he’s probably flying drones
0:03:08 and then resting peace, and we thought he was dead.
0:03:13 But the thing was, is I thought he was in the Bay Area.
0:03:14 – Yeah, me too.
0:03:15 – And so I hit him up, I’m like,
0:03:17 dude, like if you ever make it down,
0:03:19 he’s like, dude, I live in LA like a few blocks away
0:03:21 (laughing)
0:03:23 – You’re like, whoa, what a change of events.
0:03:25 – I know, so cheers, by the way.
0:03:26 – Cheers.
0:03:27 – Well, we’re glad to have you here, brother.
0:03:28 – Hey, buddy.
0:03:29 – Mm.
0:03:31 – Mm.
0:03:32 – Ah.
0:03:33 – Whoa, buddy.
0:03:35 – Yeah, Pliny the Elder.
0:03:37 Okay, so I did not get the beer I wanted to get.
0:03:38 – Well, first off,
0:03:43 I have not had like a fancy beer in a very long time.
0:03:45 – This is the number three ranked IPA in the world.
0:03:47 – This is glorious.
0:03:47 – It is glorious.
0:03:48 – And I don’t think I’ve ever had this.
0:03:51 – Is this the one that people have to stay in line with?
0:03:52 – That’s Pliny the Younger.
0:03:53 – Oh, that’s the Younger one.
0:03:54 – This is the Elder.
0:03:58 Little bit more hair on this one than the Younger.
0:04:01 But I will say, so here’s the funny thing.
0:04:01 – God, that’s good, Kevin.
0:04:02 – It is really good.
0:04:03 – Oh, shit.
0:04:05 – So, hold on.
0:04:06 – Yeah, take your time.
0:04:08 Suck it, suck it.
0:04:10 – So the number one ranked beer in the world
0:04:12 is, according to Beer Advocate,
0:04:14 is Heady Topper by the Alchemist.
0:04:15 – Okay.
0:04:19 – It’s a strange story, the main Vermont.
0:04:24 And I had always wanted to try this beer,
0:04:28 and Glenn’s like, “Oh, yeah, yeah, he’s with Buddy Mine.”
0:04:31 And I was like, “What are you talking about?
0:04:33 Like, this is the hardest beer to get in the world.”
0:04:36 He’s like, “Oh, yeah, yeah, we used to live together.”
0:04:38 And I’m like, “What are you talking about?”
0:04:41 And it’s true, this is a buddy of Glenn’s,
0:04:44 and I went and visited it out there
0:04:46 when I was out there for another friend’s wedding.
0:04:48 And Glenn, you connect this, I think via email
0:04:49 or something like that.
0:04:50 Super nice guy.
0:04:51 – Did you try it?
0:04:53 – Yeah, I sent him a bottle of wine, actually.
0:04:55 Remember when I think we were staying out there?
0:04:56 This was like a few years ago.
0:04:57 Yeah, I tried, it’s amazing.
0:05:01 I ordered it from a third party
0:05:04 because I wanted to get it here as fast as possible.
0:05:04 It didn’t make it in time,
0:05:06 but we will have it for the next episode.
0:05:07 – I love it, dude.
0:05:08 – But I’m very excited to try it.
0:05:11 So, Pliny Russian River Brewing, fantastic beers.
0:05:13 They make a younger, I had their younger this year.
0:05:14 It’s amazing.
0:05:17 Sadly, they’re going for $150 a bottle right now.
0:05:18 – Aw.
0:05:19 – Yeah, I didn’t buy that.
0:05:20 – No. – And it’s number two.
0:05:21 Why would you buy number two?
0:05:21 – Yeah, come on.
0:05:23 – And this is number three, it was like eight bucks.
0:05:24 – This was eight bucks?
0:05:25 – It was like nine.
0:05:26 – Nine dollars.
0:05:27 – Yes.
0:05:29 Maybe if you couldn’t find it, it’s still–
0:05:30 – Ah, there’s the rub.
0:05:32 – But no, it’s not that hard anymore.
0:05:33 Isn’t it good?
0:05:37 – Dude, I have not, like I said,
0:05:38 ’cause I mean, look, at the end of the day,
0:05:43 as people remember, I and/kevin were big beer drinkers,
0:05:45 – Yes.
0:05:47 – And then I just got to this point where I was like,
0:05:50 it just makes me so like bloated and heavy,
0:05:51 you know what I mean?
0:05:52 – Yeah, oh yeah.
0:05:54 – And then to be fair, I just started drinking more wine
0:05:58 and I got really into, not into wine like ooh.
0:05:59 But like, I just enjoy it.
0:06:00 – Yeah.
0:06:02 – And I also feel like I’m really good at like
0:06:05 getting cheap wine that I like.
0:06:06 – Yeah.
0:06:07 – My dad used to do this all the time.
0:06:10 So my dad used to have, I think it was called like Mark,
0:06:15 Mark Johnson, Mark something, and he would get,
0:06:18 and it was Pinot Noir, and he would buy the magnums.
0:06:20 And it was just for him.
0:06:23 And he would just have a magnum open.
0:06:25 No, it would take like five days,
0:06:26 – Right.
0:06:26 – In a week or whatever.
0:06:28 But he would just be like, magnum, magnum, magnum.
0:06:29 And I was like, dude, what?
0:06:31 And he was like, it’s fine, it’s good.
0:06:32 It’s, I like this red wine.
0:06:35 And so now I kind of get that because like,
0:06:36 I’ll go to Costco and I’ll buy like,
0:06:40 they have like a Brunello, that’s the Kirkland Brunello.
0:06:43 And it’s like, you know, 10 bucks, whatever.
0:06:44 And I’ll just buy a case of that.
0:06:45 – That doesn’t give you a headache?
0:06:46 – No.
0:06:47 Everything gives me a headache, Kevin.
0:06:48 – Okay, so then you’re fine.
0:06:49 – Actually, I did wake up this morning,
0:06:51 I had a bottle last night and I woke up this morning
0:06:54 and I was like, oh, I don’t know if I should’ve done that
0:06:56 before doing “Dignation” again.
0:06:57 But I’ll be all right.
0:06:58 – He’s in 10 minutes and five.
0:06:59 – Oh my God.
0:07:01 – That’s the nice thing about beer.
0:07:02 Yeah.
0:07:03 – The natural ones, yeah.
0:07:05 – The first thing Glenn gets here,
0:07:07 Glenn gets here like, you know, he’s in the bathroom.
0:07:09 And I’m like, Glenn wants some wine.
0:07:10 And he’d be like, yeah, I’ll take whatever.
0:07:12 He’s like, do you have any natural wines,
0:07:14 like made in custom orders and shit?
0:07:15 – That’s amazing.
0:07:17 – No, they’re really good.
0:07:18 The orange wines are fantastic.
0:07:20 Have you ever had any orange wines?
0:07:21 – Made from oranges?
0:07:22 – No, no, no.
0:07:23 It’s like, actually, they use,
0:07:26 it’s at the time of, they leave the grape actually in
0:07:28 the wine, they take it out early.
0:07:31 And so it gives it more of an orange hue.
0:07:33 And they’re typically natural wines.
0:07:34 They’re really good.
0:07:35 I’ll bring one next time.
0:07:36 – Yeah, I don’t, I’m gonna say that.
0:07:37 – They’re not expensive at all.
0:07:38 They’re just like this.
0:07:39 – That’s the best.
0:07:41 – All right, so we’ve got good beers to start.
0:07:42 – Well, so before we get into it,
0:07:47 we do want to say, A, as we said on the last episode,
0:07:51 we have decided that we will,
0:07:52 and by the way, that’s the other thing
0:07:54 you don’t get with wine is so many burps.
0:07:55 So I apologize.
0:07:56 – We are sponsored by Gas X.
0:07:57 – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:07:58 – We were getting older.
0:08:01 – By the way, Gas X is great.
0:08:03 So no fun of a good product.
0:08:09 So as we said last week, we were excited.
0:08:11 We had such a good time getting together
0:08:12 to do this sort of one more time.
0:08:14 We decided, you know what, come on.
0:08:15 – One more time.
0:08:16 – Let’s do it a couple more times.
0:08:20 That said, I have a feeling that this episode
0:08:23 is gonna be coming out probably right on the heels
0:08:24 of the one that just came out.
0:08:25 – Probably a little bit late.
0:08:26 Maybe heels-ish.
0:08:27 – Heels-ish?
0:08:29 Don’t get used to them coming out once a week
0:08:30 or once every two weeks.
0:08:31 Like it’s gonna be a little bit more.
0:08:32 – Like you’re used to it.
0:08:33 Just not on that so often.
0:08:34 – You could be used to it,
0:08:36 but just are you ready to be disappointed a little?
0:08:37 – So we’re thinking about one every three weeks.
0:08:41 – One every three weeks is kind of what we’re shooting for.
0:08:43 But honestly, it’s been really great,
0:08:45 not only seeing everybody’s reactions,
0:08:47 but also reconnecting with old fans.
0:08:48 I mean, there’s so many people that I was just like,
0:08:50 oh my God, dude, and old friends.
0:08:52 Like people have come out of the woodwork to be like,
0:08:54 oh my God, I’m so excited you’re back doing this thing.
0:08:55 Like congratulations, it’s so fun.
0:09:00 So thank you guys all really for consuming the content
0:09:02 and being happy that we’re back
0:09:03 ’cause we’re happy that we’re back.
0:09:04 – Yes, and I will say,
0:09:06 if you do want us to do it more often,
0:09:09 the easiest way to do that is you definitely,
0:09:10 if you’re an old school watcher,
0:09:12 if you’re new to this, hello, welcome.
0:09:13 – Hello. – We’re glad to have you.
0:09:14 – Yes.
0:09:16 – Tell your old friends that used to watch with you
0:09:17 that we’re back. – Yeah, yeah.
0:09:18 – Because that will get us more numbers
0:09:20 and we’ll get more numbers and actually we’ll,
0:09:22 we figure if we get to a big enough state,
0:09:24 we can actually take sponsors at some point,
0:09:25 I don’t know, we’ll figure it out.
0:09:25 – Yeah, yeah, yeah. – But anyway,
0:09:30 tell your friends, to that end, new things have happened.
0:09:34 There is a new invention called Instagram,
0:09:36 since we last, well, actually Instagram was around,
0:09:38 but we weren’t really doing clips or anything.
0:09:39 – Well, Instagram reels probably wasn’t around
0:09:41 and definitely weren’t around it, so.
0:09:43 – So some of our best of clips,
0:09:47 instagram.com/thedignation, the Dignation.
0:09:49 Tiktok. – New.
0:09:49 – New.
0:09:52 – .com/thedignation. – Mm-hmm.
0:09:55 – Our website with all the RSS links for the podcast,
0:09:59 if you wanted an audio, is @dignation.show.
0:10:00 – Mm-hmm.
0:10:03 – Fans @dignation.com, email us.
0:10:04 – Fans @dignation.show.
0:10:06 – The show, Friday.
0:10:08 – Fans @dignation.show. – I got it.
0:10:10 – There’s something still out of that domain.
0:10:12 – If you happen to have @dignation.com
0:10:15 and you’d like to offer your services for a pass through,
0:10:16 please let us know.
0:10:17 – Yeah, somebody has it.
0:10:19 – Fans @dignation.show.
0:10:20 – Fans @dignation.show, email us.
0:10:21 We can read your emails on the show
0:10:23 like we used to back in the day.
0:10:27 And of course, where you can watch this high def 4K content
0:10:29 is youtube.com/Dignation.
0:10:31 Yes, if you’d like to compare and contrast,
0:10:32 it’s very funny.
0:10:37 And now my youtube feed is like old episodes of “Dignation”
0:10:38 and then the new episode of “Dignation”
0:10:41 and the thumbnails are very specific about age.
0:10:42 – Yeah.
0:10:45 – Like see, just this little baby, Kevin and Alex,
0:10:47 right in like my old garage,
0:10:50 right next to us being like, yeah, it’s gonna be great.
0:10:51 – We’re bad.
0:10:52 – We’re bad, yeah.
0:10:55 – Oh, my sciatica, I can’t sit for too long.
0:10:56 – Fat, you got sexed up.
0:10:59 Just like, it’s horrible.
0:11:00 – Okay.
0:11:01 – I feel ya.
0:11:02 – All right.
0:11:02 – Anyway, we’re very excited.
0:11:03 Oh, but I did want to say,
0:11:06 one of the other things that’s been really cool is,
0:11:09 I’m now getting fed some like clips and stuff
0:11:12 from like old episodes and remembering,
0:11:14 we got to do some really cool shit.
0:11:15 – Yeah, no doubt.
0:11:18 – And it reminded me of one of my favorite moments
0:11:21 that we had, which I’m sure you remember,
0:11:26 we went to the Indy car race track.
0:11:27 – With Danica.
0:11:32 – And Danica Patrick took us on a lap in the Pace car,
0:11:34 which by the way, was a Honda Civic hybrid.
0:11:36 And I’ve never known that a Honda Civic hybrid
0:11:38 could go that fucking fast.
0:11:39 – Well, she was like–
0:11:40 – In flip-flops.
0:11:43 – She’s like five, and she just goes.
0:11:44 – You know, I love that.
0:11:46 – I know, she was totally a U-type girl.
0:11:49 – Well, back then, I mean, she’s tiny and–
0:11:51 – Hey, hey, she’s good, she’s cute.
0:11:52 – My favorite though is,
0:11:55 we were supposed to go on a second lap.
0:11:56 Kevin was like, get me the fuck out of this car.
0:11:58 – Yeah, dude, I don’t want to die.
0:12:01 – I want to stop after this boy.
0:12:02 – You got him!
0:12:04 – Hey, let’s stop, let’s stop, let’s stop, let’s stop.
0:12:06 (laughing)
0:12:08 – Okay, okay, I need to get out, I definitely need to get out.
0:12:09 – Yeah, this would be good.
0:12:12 – Oh, I was like, there you go!
0:12:15 – A flip-flop can get stuck underneath the pedal.
0:12:17 – It was so much fun.
0:12:19 – I’m a crocs, I got new crocs, by the way.
0:12:20 – Oh, those are nice.
0:12:21 – Camo. – Camo.
0:12:22 – Camo.
0:12:24 – Little croc action, you know, saving some money.
0:12:26 – Yeah, saving some money.
0:12:28 ‘Cause that’s what you need to do is get crocs
0:12:29 to just save some money.
0:12:30 – Well, you’ve seen the one we’ve been drinking
0:12:32 on these episodes? – Yeah, that’s true, that is true.
0:12:35 I apologize, I apologize for drinking all that fancy wine.
0:12:37 I’m still got my flip-flops.
0:12:38 I think I might be buried in my flip-flops.
0:12:41 – Yeah, if Crocs wants to sponsor us.
0:12:42 – I’ve never owned a pair of crocs.
0:12:43 – Oh, they’re so comfortable.
0:12:44 – Really?
0:12:45 – Oh, yeah, well, I assure you,
0:12:46 you got like 10 and a half though, right?
0:12:47 – Nine and a half, 10.
0:12:49 – I’m gonna get you a crocs next episode.
0:12:50 I’ll get you some fancy ones.
0:12:51 – They’re upstairs.
0:12:54 – I love it, yeah. – Now this is Crocs too.
0:12:55 – By the way, I know I’m gonna show up
0:12:57 and have like some fucking strawberry shortcake crocs.
0:12:58 – No, no, I’ll get you some cool ones.
0:13:00 – Oh, thank you, I’ll thank you.
0:13:01 – I’m very excited, now I’ll get Crocs.
0:13:03 – So let me write this down, 10 and a half, Crocs.
0:13:05 – Nine and a half slash 10.
0:13:06 – So let’s just do 10.
0:13:07 – Just do 10.
0:13:08 – Yeah, more Crocs.
0:13:10 – Okay, Crocs, Amazon, Crocs.
0:13:10 – Okay, Affiliate.
0:13:12 – All right, so Affiliate Lips.
0:13:13 – Save that money.
0:13:15 – Oh my God, all right, let’s get into this, Cadence.
0:13:16 – Let’s do it.
0:13:17 – We just started.
0:13:21 So this story was like one of the stories
0:13:24 that just baffles my mind, okay.
0:13:28 The viral Chase bank glitch is actually a crime
0:13:29 and could land you in prison.
0:13:31 So this happened a while ago,
0:13:34 I started seeing this all over the place.
0:13:40 Essentially what happened was somebody figured out bank fraud
0:13:45 and thought that somehow it was an ATM software glitch.
0:13:49 So what this guy did was he just wrote a check
0:13:53 to himself on a bank account that had no money
0:13:55 and deposited it into the ATM at Chase
0:14:00 and was like shocked that there was funds available.
0:14:02 And so he withdrew those funds
0:14:04 and was like went on TikTok and was like,
0:14:08 bro, there is a software glitch happening right now.
0:14:10 It’s an infinite money glitch.
0:14:13 Write a check from an account that doesn’t have any money
0:14:14 and then put it in the ATM
0:14:16 and they’ll let you take some of it out.
0:14:17 They don’t even know.
0:14:19 – That’s called, they’re giving you a little credit
0:14:20 thinking you’re not going to scam us.
0:14:22 – It’s called check fraud.
0:14:24 It’s literally called, I think it’s called check kiting.
0:14:26 It’s literally what it is where you write a check
0:14:27 that you know won’t have any funds,
0:14:29 deposit it in a bank or cash it in a bank.
0:14:30 – How much did he get to own like a hundred bucks
0:14:31 at a time or something like that?
0:14:32 They don’t give you the full amount.
0:14:33 – No, he started doing it over and over
0:14:34 because he thought it was like,
0:14:36 he thought it was like World of Warcraft
0:14:38 where you can buy an item for like five gold
0:14:40 from some vendor and sell it to another vendor for 10.
0:14:42 – He’s like taking bansions now for the close the whole?
0:14:45 – He’s like, and it went viral on TikTok
0:14:46 ’cause he was telling people,
0:14:51 guys, I’ve figured out money, go to a bank and steal it.
0:14:53 And they’re all like, dude, this guy’s unlocked the code,
0:14:55 man, let’s go.
0:14:56 Everybody write these checks.
0:14:57 And then we’re just, and everybody,
0:15:01 and then all of a sudden he went back on TikTok
0:15:05 and was like, the bank is really made.
0:15:08 I did the gosh, you’re gonna be looking for me one time.
0:15:09 It was their fault.
0:15:10 It was like, how is it their fault?
0:15:11 – No, that’s called fraud.
0:15:13 It’s literally check fraud.
0:15:15 Like, Steven Spielberg made a movie about that.
0:15:17 – So you got arrested?
0:15:20 – I’m assuming, look, to be fair,
0:15:23 I didn’t follow up past the virality of the moment.
0:15:25 I’m assuming maybe not arrested,
0:15:26 but probably has to pay back.
0:15:29 – If you chase though, you gotta have to be like,
0:15:31 you know, he’s not playing with a full deck.
0:15:33 – Yeah, but, so it’s the bank.
0:15:35 So the bank is like, that guy’s an idiot.
0:15:36 We should probably give him money.
0:15:38 – No, but no, not give him money.
0:15:39 – That guy stole money from him.
0:15:41 Well, let’s ask him some questions
0:15:43 about the status of the United States.
0:15:47 – He clearly thought that he had found like a loophole.
0:15:48 Like, you know what I mean?
0:15:52 Like, it was like he was like, meaning, it’s a bank.
0:15:54 – So I have something happen to me one time.
0:15:56 – I stole money from my bank?
0:15:57 – Yeah, almost.
0:15:58 I had no money.
0:16:01 This was like 2000, it was broke as hell.
0:16:02 – Okay.
0:16:03 – And I logged into my bank account
0:16:06 and there was a hundred and like $20,000 set.
0:16:09 They had wired, somebody had wired money into my account
0:16:10 that went to the wrong account.
0:16:13 – Oh, that is, that is an interesting–
0:16:15 – You know, I normally have like a hundred dollars,
0:16:16 you know, in my bank account.
0:16:16 – And they had some X’s.
0:16:20 – And I was like, hmm, do I go into the branch?
0:16:23 Do I just take his $300 out?
0:16:24 ‘Cause that was max, you could take out a time.
0:16:25 – Ooh.
0:16:29 – And so I took a picture of it.
0:16:30 No, I don’t think I take it.
0:16:32 I don’t think we had smartphones back then.
0:16:33 – I took a picture.
0:16:34 – I don’t know, I got the ATM receipt
0:16:36 because I wanted to say someday I will have this.
0:16:38 So I got like a little printed out,
0:16:40 like one day I will have this.
0:16:43 And so I got the receipt but then I didn’t do anything.
0:16:45 And then literally the next day it was gone.
0:16:45 – Wow.
0:16:46 – They messed up.
0:16:48 – That’s so, so that’s a different thing.
0:16:49 – If I had gone–
0:16:50 – Like I discovered checkkiting.
0:16:51 – Yeah, but if I had gone into the branch
0:16:52 and took it out on 50K and be like,
0:16:55 hey, I’m just trying here to get my money out.
0:16:57 Like you still go to jail for that.
0:16:59 – I don’t know if you would have gone to jail for that
0:17:00 ’cause you could have been like,
0:17:02 oh, I thought I won some lottery
0:17:04 and there was a direct deposit.
0:17:05 Did you buy any tickets?
0:17:06 No, I just, I thought that–
0:17:07 – Nobody would have done–
0:17:08 – I was just under that impression.
0:17:11 One of my favorite jokes from Animaniacs.
0:17:12 – Oh, shit.
0:17:13 – Devs, have you ever remember Animaniacs?
0:17:14 – Of course.
0:17:17 ♪ I got that Animaniac ♪
0:17:19 – One of my favorite jokes is they get trapped
0:17:21 in this elevator and the maintenance man
0:17:22 is like working on the thing.
0:17:25 And then like 10 minutes goes by and they’re like,
0:17:26 okay, somebody’s gonna come and help.
0:17:29 And they’re like, oh, you guys are still in there?
0:17:30 And he goes, yeah, we’re still in there.
0:17:32 And he was like, I was under the impression
0:17:33 you guys got out.
0:17:35 He was like, why would you think that?
0:17:36 He was like, I was just under that impression.
0:17:38 – You’re still in there?
0:17:41 – It was our indication that you got out.
0:17:42 – Oh, really?
0:17:45 That gave you that indication.
0:17:47 – That’s just an indication we had.
0:17:48 – Dude.
0:17:49 – Like this fucking funny shit.
0:17:50 – Dude, why–
0:17:51 – That’s one of my favorite–
0:17:52 – How are you an Animaniac guy?
0:17:54 – I was a child of the nineties, Kevin.
0:17:56 – First of all, you could’ve been watching Transformers.
0:17:57 – Was.
0:17:58 – G.I. Joe.
0:17:59 – Was.
0:18:00 – DuckTales.
0:18:01 – Was.
0:18:02 – Uh, Smurfs.
0:18:03 Smurfette was hot.
0:18:05 – I know, but Smurfs was more my sister.
0:18:06 My older sister.
0:18:06 – What?
0:18:07 – She was more into Smurfs.
0:18:10 I think Smurfs, that looked like your older sister.
0:18:12 – Yeah, I could be into Smurfette.
0:18:13 She looks like my sister.
0:18:14 – What?
0:18:15 No, no, I was just like–
0:18:16 – I remember my whole blues.
0:18:19 – Did you ever have crushes on animated characters?
0:18:21 – Of course, Princess Ulura from Voltron.
0:18:22 – I don’t remember her.
0:18:24 – Fuckin’ hell, that was like my thing.
0:18:26 – Well, I liked, who was the one on G.I. Joe?
0:18:27 Lady Jane?
0:18:28 – Lady Jane.
0:18:30 – Yeah, Lady Jane was hot.
0:18:31 Sassy, too.
0:18:32 – She was, yes, yeah.
0:18:33 – Snake Eyes was cool.
0:18:34 I was something to get together.
0:18:35 – Snake Eyes was a game, but I gotcha.
0:18:37 (laughing)
0:18:39 – I totally get what you’re going to say.
0:18:41 – You don’t know that Snake Eyes was a dude.
0:18:42 – Oh, that is true.
0:18:44 – ‘Cause they never took their mask off.
0:18:45 – Well, then he was a very athletic woman.
0:18:48 (laughing)
0:18:51 – They had Snake Eyes.
0:18:51 – Snake Eyes.
0:18:53 – They knew what was underneath there,
0:18:54 ’cause it was Snake Eyes.
0:18:56 – Oh, gosh, all that stuff was good.
0:18:59 I remember, I had to sleep over,
0:19:01 and we were watching Voltron.
0:19:02 God, kids are so dumb.
0:19:03 – What’s the name of the Voltron woman?
0:19:04 I wanna look her up.
0:19:05 – Princess Ulura.
0:19:08 – Princess Ulura? – Ulura.
0:19:12 – A-L-L-U-R-R-R. – A-L-L-U-R-R-R.
0:19:14 (laughing)
0:19:17 – Oh, oh, shit. – Yeah, dude.
0:19:19 Not that one, that’s the new one.
0:19:20 That’s the one.
0:19:22 – Oh, why can’t you like– – Classic.
0:19:23 I could like both, I’m just saying.
0:19:26 That’s the one that little Alex, you know, boner boy.
0:19:29 That’s where that was. – Oh, yeah, he got the blue eyes.
0:19:31 – So I had, so kids are so fucking dumb.
0:19:33 He went to sleep.
0:19:35 I stayed up a little bit later watching bullshit.
0:19:37 I mean, I think it was like Godzilla versus Mothra
0:19:39 or some shit, which was awesome.
0:19:41 And then the next day, I was like,
0:19:43 “Dude, you missed it, you fell asleep.”
0:19:47 Late night, there’s like some Japanese porn
0:19:48 that they played with the Voltron chicken.
0:19:50 It was all porn, it was great.
0:19:51 You saw everything.
0:19:53 And he was like, “What?”
0:19:55 And I was like, “Yeah, you fell asleep, you missed it.”
0:19:56 And he was like, “Fuck.”
0:19:57 – You told that to a friend?
0:20:00 – Yeah, ’cause again, kids are stupid.
0:20:00 I don’t know why I thought that–
0:20:01 – It never happened.
0:20:03 – No, fuck it, of course I did.
0:20:05 So that’s who you like, the pink helmet chick.
0:20:06 – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:20:07 – Oh yeah, she’s kinda cute.
0:20:09 – I mean, of all, like there’s so many,
0:20:10 like Daisy Duke from Dukes of Hazard.
0:20:13 – Oh, Daisy, well that’s a real woman.
0:20:14 – This is a real woman, kid.
0:20:15 (laughing)
0:20:17 That ain’t no Snake Eyes.
0:20:19 – Dude, first of all, don’t hate on Snake Eyes.
0:20:20 – She’s a princess.
0:20:25 I love Snake Eyes as a male person to look up to.
0:20:27 – First of all, Snake Eyes was a badass.
0:20:28 Well, they’ve made so many movies now.
0:20:29 It’s clearly a dude now.
0:20:30 – I know, I know.
0:20:31 – Could have been a woman then.
0:20:32 – Anyway, long story short,
0:20:34 if you’re getting free money,
0:20:37 especially from a bank,
0:20:39 it is illegal.
0:20:40 No bank is just gonna be like,
0:20:41 I’m gonna give you some free money.
0:20:44 – Unless it’s high interest checking.
0:20:45 – Unless it’s high interest checking.
0:20:46 – You never know.
0:20:48 All right, so, okay, here we go.
0:20:49 Next story.
0:20:53 My girlfriend really wants me to get circumcised.
0:20:55 Okay, hear me out now.
0:20:56 – Okay, first off, you’re married,
0:20:57 so I don’t know who this person is.
0:20:59 (laughing)
0:21:02 – This is a 27 year old male from the UK.
0:21:03 – Okay.
0:21:04 – He’s an atheist.
0:21:05 – Okay.
0:21:05 – As one is, that’s fine.
0:21:06 – Yeah.
0:21:10 – His girlfriend is 31 year old Christian from Africa,
0:21:13 has expressed that she doesn’t like him uncircumcised
0:21:17 and wants him to undergo circumcision.
0:21:19 They’ve been dating for four months
0:21:22 and things have become more serious
0:21:24 and she’s been insisting on the matter.
0:21:26 Initially, he said, I thought she was joking,
0:21:29 but lately, she’s made it clear
0:21:31 that if they’re going to have kids,
0:21:32 which you can do with either way.
0:21:34 – That still works, it’s just–
0:21:38 – And want to marry me, you’ll get this procedure done.
0:21:41 I’m at a loss because I’ve repeatedly told her,
0:21:43 I don’t want to undergo circumcision.
0:21:44 – I mean, that’s–
0:21:45 – Signing the risks,
0:21:47 I don’t know how many risks there are about it, but–
0:21:49 – I think there might be more risks as you’re older.
0:21:50 – Is it?
0:21:51 – When you get older.
0:21:52 – For this one, I’d have to see a picture
0:21:54 before I could weigh in.
0:21:55 – Of what?
0:21:56 Yeah, I was just about to say.
0:21:59 – Of the woman, of the woman.
0:22:01 – Yeah, maybe his penis is like super fucked up
0:22:02 and it needs to get circumcised.
0:22:07 – If she’s like a 10, you’re doing not all his penis.
0:22:09 – If she’s like a 10.
0:22:10 – No, but–
0:22:13 – I get you, what’s the long-term viability
0:22:14 of this relationship?
0:22:15 I hear that.
0:22:18 – Sometimes, you’re out of your pay grade, right?
0:22:19 – Yes.
0:22:22 – And if he is a two and she’s like eight and a half,
0:22:23 you could choppy choppy.
0:22:24 – I get that, I get that.
0:22:26 No, I totally get that, I see what you mean.
0:22:28 – You can also see a picture of his drunk though,
0:22:31 because it could be excessive foreskin, like just–
0:22:32 – Yeah, it could just be an issue.
0:22:35 – Thank you, Glenn, for the excessive foreskin.
0:22:36 – I’m so glad to have Glenn back.
0:22:37 – It’s great.
0:22:38 – He brings the reality to it,
0:22:40 because there could be excessive foreskin
0:22:41 that needs to be taken care of.
0:22:43 – He knows the medical ramifications of foreskin.
0:22:46 – He’s clearly been a doctor in the previous life.
0:22:48 Okay, so question.
0:22:49 – Yes.
0:22:51 – Is everyone here circumcised?
0:22:51 – Yes, yes.
0:22:52 – Yeah.
0:22:53 – Same.
0:22:55 (laughing)
0:23:00 – Okay, well, I just love, I just love how softly you did that.
0:23:04 – I know.
0:23:05 – Is everybody here circumcised?
0:23:07 And then concern in your eyes?
0:23:08 – I know.
0:23:10 – Yeah, and once everybody consides is–
0:23:13 – ‘Cause if somebody said no, I’d have to go to the room
0:23:15 and be like, well, let me ask you a question.
0:23:16 – I get that, I get that.
0:23:17 – Here’s the real question.
0:23:19 What if they flip the script and someone would say,
0:23:21 hey, I don’t like foreskin?
0:23:23 Could you do a reattachment procedure?
0:23:25 – I mean, I don’t want, here’s the thing.
0:23:28 And I think this is exactly where this guy gets.
0:23:30 When you’re young and shit happens to you,
0:23:33 you know, like if you get circumcised when you’re young,
0:23:34 like who, I don’t know.
0:23:34 – You don’t remember?
0:23:36 – I don’t fucking know that.
0:23:40 But any conscious decision where it’s voluntary to go,
0:23:43 I would like to be unconscious and someone cut my penis.
0:23:44 That is–
0:23:45 – Right.
0:23:46 – Never the choice.
0:23:48 – Well, first of all, I am–
0:23:49 – Voluntary.
0:23:51 – I’ll do a little over exposure here
0:23:54 in the spirit of Dignation.
0:23:55 – Yeah, yeah.
0:23:57 – You know, I like to keep shit tight,
0:23:58 you know, as one should.
0:23:59 We keep our junk tight.
0:24:03 Like we don’t want Amazon.com like going growing.
0:24:06 So when I trim down, and thankfully I have a razor now
0:24:07 that protects against that,
0:24:11 but back in the day, you would cut your dick sometimes
0:24:14 with a razor when you’re trimming down there.
0:24:15 It hurts.
0:24:16 – Yeah, it’s not a fun thing.
0:24:19 – Yeah, it really, and that’s just a nick.
0:24:24 Could you imagine taking off like a huge fold?
0:24:27 – Well, first off, whoever said that like balls
0:24:30 is like indicates like strength,
0:24:34 that’s never had balls hit by a small thing.
0:24:35 Like literally getting flicked in the balls
0:24:37 is one of the most painful things
0:24:38 we’ve experienced as a guy.
0:24:38 – Oh yeah, if you flipped like that,
0:24:39 you could drop to the ground.
0:24:41 – So I don’t know why that’s like been the like,
0:24:42 oh yeah, it takes balls to do this thing.
0:24:44 – Dude, you know those slap competitions
0:24:44 that they have on YouTube?
0:24:45 – Oh yeah, slap off.
0:24:47 – They should do that with–
0:24:48 (laughing)
0:24:49 – By the way, that would so,
0:24:51 I would love to see the cut of like the first one.
0:24:53 The guy’s like got his hands tied by his back.
0:24:55 And the guy just goes, “What?”
0:24:58 That guy dies, they never do it again.
0:25:02 Like that’s literally, that guy dies on the floor.
0:25:03 And they’re like, this was the worst idea.
0:25:04 I don’t know why we’d ever do it.
0:25:05 – Right, right, he would ever do it.
0:25:08 – I might just stick it for the first time.
0:25:10 – Oh yeah.
0:25:12 – A month ago, for the first time, did you cut it?
0:25:17 – It was just a little bit of blood.
0:25:19 – Yeah, so you were zipping fast and you hit it.
0:25:21 – I was driving.
0:25:22 – You were driving?
0:25:25 – Okay, was your, I don’t wanna know, I don’t wanna know.
0:25:29 Sounds great, I’m glad you survived, I’m glad you survived.
0:25:33 – Okay, so Glenn was driving, caught it in the zipper,
0:25:34 as one does when they drop.
0:25:37 – Yeah, what was that, something about Mary?
0:25:41 Remember when he zips his junk on the thing?
0:25:43 – So anyway, back to this guy though.
0:25:45 Let’s get serious for a second here.
0:25:46 I know we’ve been on Jogin’ Around.
0:25:50 He’s 27, she’s 31, she’s probably more experienced.
0:25:53 I think as much as I disagree, I mean, A,
0:25:56 I kinda feel like any time you’re in a relationship
0:25:59 with somebody that is trying to force you to do something
0:26:02 that is so extreme and outside of your comfort zone
0:26:04 and that you’re very clearly against,
0:26:06 that’s a relationship red flag.
0:26:07 – To be fair, he’s probably only against it
0:26:10 because it hurts.
0:26:13 – I don’t know, I mean, it’s his dick, he’s 27,
0:26:14 that’s what his dick looks like.
0:26:15 – That’s fair.
0:26:16 – You know what I mean?
0:26:17 That’s like somebody being like, okay, I wanna date you,
0:26:21 but you’ve got a so a vest onto your penis.
0:26:22 – Right, like what the fuck?
0:26:24 – It could be like breast implants.
0:26:25 – Yeah, yeah, like breast implants.
0:26:26 Oh yeah, like if you were like,
0:26:29 you have to get breast implants or I’d date you.
0:26:30 – Fuck you, guyer.
0:26:31 – Yeah, fuck you, yeah.
0:26:32 So, I think we just landed.
0:26:34 – Yeah, yeah, don’t do it, my friend.
0:26:36 – Good luck to you, sir.
0:26:36 – Yes.
0:26:41 – I would, I think the consensus amongst the elite here
0:26:43 and knowledgeable medical professionals–
0:26:44 – Is don’t do it.
0:26:44 – Is don’t do it.
0:26:45 – Don’t do it.
0:26:46 – Unless you’re a two and she’s a 10.
0:26:49 – Yeah, if you’re a two and she’s a 10, sniff that.
0:26:50 – Yeah.
0:26:51 – We all agree on that one.
0:26:52 – Yeah, you’re happy.
0:26:53 – All right.
0:26:53 – Okay, here we go.
0:26:54 Next story.
0:26:59 Hyundai’s wild sci-fi sports car is slated for production.
0:27:00 Have you seen this thing?
0:27:02 – I have not looked at it purposely,
0:27:03 did not look at it because I knew
0:27:04 we were gonna bring it up.
0:27:05 – Okay.
0:27:07 – First of all, how much beer have you drank so far?
0:27:10 – Chexies, yep, you’re way behind.
0:27:10 – What are you, where are you?
0:27:12 – I’m done, I’m down at the bottom, very bottom.
0:27:14 – I feel like that’s not what that actually looks like.
0:27:18 – Oh, I’m done now, I’m finished.
0:27:19 Okay.
0:27:21 – Well, I was talking about circumcision.
0:27:22 – Okay, fair enough.
0:27:24 – And it makes me thirsty.
0:27:28 Okay, so we’ve talked about electric cars.
0:27:29 – Yes.
0:27:29 – We both own electric cars.
0:27:30 – Yes.
0:27:32 – Or I’m very bullish on electric cars
0:27:36 ever since I had an electric car and I love them.
0:27:39 But I also feel like the innovation
0:27:43 in the electric car space is really cool, it’s good.
0:27:47 But I also feel like, we talked about this with Tesla,
0:27:50 like the designs are pretty much bog standard.
0:27:52 Most of the cars are gonna be the ones that are gonna,
0:27:55 chasing aerodynamics and efficiency in electric cars,
0:27:58 most electric cars are gonna start looking about the same
0:28:00 because it’s the optimal aerodynamics.
0:28:01 – Yeah.
0:28:05 – Hyundai announced a couple of years ago.
0:28:06 – Hyundai?
0:28:09 – Hyundai, Hyundai, Hyundai, Hyundai, whatever.
0:28:11 I can never know how to pronounce it correctly,
0:28:12 but I also wanna do it right.
0:28:17 Anyway, they introduced this car called the EnVision 74.
0:28:19 – Oh shit, I’m just looking at this right now.
0:28:21 – This is it.
0:28:23 – Dude, that’s, it looks like the back to the future car.
0:28:25 – Yeah, it looks like a DeLorean.
0:28:29 But here’s the crazy part, it was going to be a,
0:28:31 I mean, they may still make a version of,
0:28:32 look at that, look at that fucking car, dude.
0:28:35 – I know the problem is they never look like this
0:28:35 when they get to production.
0:28:38 – No, this is the car, they’re making this car.
0:28:38 – That’s the exact production model.
0:28:40 – Yes, this is the production model.
0:28:42 – Can I take the fin off of it?
0:28:43 – I mean, I’m sure you can do whatever you want
0:28:44 once you get it, but here’s the thing.
0:28:48 They first announced it as a hydrogen hybrid.
0:28:50 So it was gonna have two hydrogen motors
0:28:53 and an electric motor, but they’ve just now said
0:28:56 that they’re making an all-electric version.
0:28:58 – Oh shit, where do you fill up the hydrogen?
0:29:01 – There’s only 59 hydrogen fueling stations
0:29:02 in all of the United States, I know.
0:29:03 – Like nobody does that.
0:29:06 – But there’s a bunch, there’s like 129 or 119
0:29:11 hydrogen fueling stations in Korea, in South Korea.
0:29:13 So that’s why they made that,
0:29:15 they made the all-electric version of the States.
0:29:16 But here’s the crazy thing.
0:29:19 First off, look how fucking cool this thing looks.
0:29:24 But here’s the thing, Hyundai is quietly becoming
0:29:27 my favorite electric car company.
0:29:32 They have the Ionic 5N, which looks baller, super cool.
0:29:33 – I haven’t seen this 5N, oops.
0:29:35 – The Ionic 5N, which is they’re like,
0:29:39 N is like their AMG or their like M for,
0:29:41 but yeah, look how fucking cool that is.
0:29:42 – I don’t know that that’s that cool.
0:29:43 – It’s cool.
0:29:44 – That’s cool?
0:29:45 – No, keep going.
0:29:48 I mean, that’s sort of, yes, yes, but that’s the one.
0:29:49 – What?
0:29:50 – The powder blue one.
0:29:51 I mean, but think about it for like–
0:29:52 – It looks like a Ford Fiesta.
0:29:54 – Yeah, but it’s a fucking Fiesta.
0:29:55 Anyway, but long story short,
0:29:58 guess what they just announced like six, seven days ago?
0:29:58 – What’s that?
0:30:01 – No idea, this.
0:30:06 This is the Hyundai Heritage Series, Grandeur.
0:30:09 They’re making a 1986–
0:30:11 – Oh, damn.
0:30:12 – Salon car.
0:30:14 – Dude, that is hot.
0:30:18 – And they’re making it into an all-electric fucking–
0:30:20 – Holy shit.
0:30:21 – Right?
0:30:24 – Dude, I will be first in line for this.
0:30:25 – Right?
0:30:27 Like this to me is like,
0:30:29 dude, these people are fucking doing it.
0:30:32 This is like, like when I saw it–
0:30:33 – Are they really gonna make that?
0:30:34 – Yeah.
0:30:36 When I saw it, I was like, this is gonna be,
0:30:39 at first I thought it was like a men in black,
0:30:42 like stunk car that you could get.
0:30:45 But dude, think about pulling up in that, all electric.
0:30:48 Looks like a fucking ’96 fucking salon car.
0:30:50 – One of the cars I’ve been desperately searching
0:30:54 for my entire life has been the car from the Matrix
0:30:55 with the suicide door.
0:30:57 – Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:30:58 What kind of car is that?
0:31:03 – That is a, it is a Matrix suicide doors car.
0:31:05 – Oh, yeah.
0:31:08 – There it is, Lincoln Continental.
0:31:09 – Oh, yeah.
0:31:09 I love that car.
0:31:11 – I mean, but not, I mean, it’s a little far off,
0:31:12 but it’s similar.
0:31:15 – It’s not dissimilar to that car.
0:31:16 – Dude, we gotta go–
0:31:19 – All electric, brand new, like fuck, yeah, dude.
0:31:21 I’m telling you, Hyundai is like,
0:31:24 they’re slowly becoming my favorite electric car company.
0:31:26 And it’s like, I just, I want it.
0:31:27 I want it.
0:31:29 Okay, what’s Hyundai stock at right now?
0:31:30 – Ooh.
0:31:32 – Over the counter.
0:31:33 – ’63?
0:31:36 – It’s a ’60, I don’t know what the market cap is.
0:31:39 They’re not trading on our exchanges.
0:31:41 – I don’t know, but all I’m saying is,
0:31:43 the fucking N-Vision 74–
0:31:46 – 42 billion, holy damn, they’re not nothing.
0:31:47 – No, dude, no, no, no.
0:31:50 And they’re like, ’cause they’re, think about it,
0:31:53 Samsung is huge in the battery world, right?
0:31:54 South Korean company.
0:31:55 – Yeah.
0:31:57 – Hyundai South Korean company, like–
0:31:59 – South Korea’s dope, have you ever been?
0:31:59 – I’ve not.
0:32:00 – I’ve been, it’s so good.
0:32:01 – I know.
0:32:02 – Let’s talk about Japan.
0:32:05 – Let’s do a double live-dignation there in South Korea.
0:32:06 – Done.
0:32:07 – Look at that, see how we do.
0:32:08 – Email us if you want to sponsor.
0:32:09 – By the way, how great is that, that we’re just like,
0:32:11 yeah, we should start doing live-dignations
0:32:13 and in, like, Asia.
0:32:14 – Yeah, exactly.
0:32:14 – So great.
0:32:15 – I mean–
0:32:17 – But dude, if anybody works for Hyundai
0:32:18 and wants to get us–
0:32:20 – It’s Hyundai, just say Hyundai.
0:32:21 Don’t try and–
0:32:21 – I think it’s Hyundai.
0:32:22 – It’s not Hyundai.
0:32:23 – Hyundai.
0:32:25 – Let’s ask Glenn, Glenn Wino, how’s it?
0:32:27 – I would say Hyundai, I don’t know about–
0:32:29 – Hyundai?
0:32:29 – Hyundai?
0:32:30 – Hyundai.
0:32:31 – Hyundai.
0:32:32 – No, Hyundai?
0:32:33 – Hyundai.
0:32:35 – I mean, Hyundai doesn’t sound too bad, actually.
0:32:37 – I mean, we’re just making up names now.
0:32:37 – I know.
0:32:38 – It is Hyundai.
0:32:39 – I did speak–
0:32:40 – Hyundai.
0:32:42 Hyundai.
0:32:43 – Hyundai?
0:32:45 – Hyundai.
0:32:46 Ah, Jesus, did you catch that?
0:32:47 Fuck yeah.
0:32:49 – Did you haven’t drank your beer yet?
0:32:51 – That’s why I was able to catch it.
0:32:53 I just saved your life, Kevin.
0:32:56 But long story short, I’m just loving
0:32:58 that these guys are going out of their way
0:33:01 to push the envelope and bring back that nostalgic vehicle.
0:33:04 Like, I want the nostalgic vehicle.
0:33:06 I actually was talking about doing,
0:33:10 of starting a company where I would get old,
0:33:13 what’s it called, classic cars,
0:33:15 and then convert them into electric.
0:33:16 – Oh, dude.
0:33:16 – Hyundai.
0:33:18 – What is it?
0:33:19 – Hyundai.
0:33:20 – Hyundai.
0:33:20 – Hyundai.
0:33:21 – Is that it?
0:33:22 – Hyundai.
0:33:23 – Is that GPT?
0:33:24 – Yeah, it’s just Google pronunciation.
0:33:25 – Google pronunciation.
0:33:28 – But is it Google pronunciation in South Korean?
0:33:28 – Yeah, oh, that’s–
0:33:30 – Oh, wait, hold on, American pronunciation.
0:33:31 – Yeah, South Korean.
0:33:33 – It just says British.
0:33:36 – I’ll say British. – That’s here in British.
0:33:37 – Okay.
0:33:38 – That fucking car company.
0:33:38 (laughing)
0:33:40 And you’re like, oh, that’s an interesting one.
0:33:41 – What is it?
0:33:41 – Hyundai.
0:33:43 – Hyundai.
0:33:44 – No, Hyundai.
0:33:45 – Hyundai.
0:33:46 – Hyundai.
0:33:47 – Hyundai.
0:33:49 – So, we were all wrong,
0:33:51 and Hyundai was the most close to wrong.
0:33:52 – Okay, so,
0:33:55 what’s next?
0:33:56 – But by the way, we’re all getting these cars.
0:33:58 – Well, 100% we’re getting these cars.
0:34:00 – I would so roll up to like fucking Chick-fil-A with that.
0:34:02 – In two seconds, dude.
0:34:04 – Chick-fil-A, any fill-A.
0:34:04 – Any fill-A.
0:34:08 – That is the dopest car I’ve seen in a long time.
0:34:09 – What?
0:34:10 – Yes.
0:34:11 – I literally, I just,
0:34:13 I put this thing together last night.
0:34:16 I was like, oh, I should talk about that Hyundai
0:34:19 that I like ’cause it’s super cool and fun.
0:34:21 And then, I was like, on Instagram,
0:34:23 and I was like, what the fuck is this?
0:34:23 And I thought it was a joke,
0:34:27 like somebody had just like made, like, you know,
0:34:28 like put it together and be like, oh,
0:34:29 so I looked it up and no, it’s here.
0:34:32 And I was like, dude, this is even freaking cooler.
0:34:33 – It’s so freaking cool.
0:34:34 – So, what they’re doing,
0:34:37 and then we’ll get off this topic ’cause I’m just so excited
0:34:39 ’cause I love cars and cool stuff,
0:34:41 is they’re starting to do this thing called
0:34:42 the Heritage Series.
0:34:45 And I have a feeling this is not the last car
0:34:46 that they’re gonna produce.
0:34:50 I’m also interested to see if they do, if they’re limited,
0:34:51 like if the numbers are limited,
0:34:54 like they’re gonna make 1,000, 10,000, you know, whatever,
0:34:56 ’cause I wanna get myself.
0:34:59 – Okay, so I have a Heritage car that I looked at,
0:35:02 and I will admit that I was looking to buy this, okay?
0:35:04 – Less cheap than the Hyundai.
0:35:07 – Well, let me just say, let me put it,
0:35:09 let me put it to you this way.
0:35:13 I was like, okay, this looks like a cool car.
0:35:13 – Okay.
0:35:15 – I think I would like to own it.
0:35:16 – Okay.
0:35:21 – And I wanna know like what it would cost.
0:35:22 – Yeah.
0:35:24 – Because it looks really dope.
0:35:25 I think it’s this one here.
0:35:27 Let’s see here, explore.
0:35:31 Okay, so this is the Valor.
0:35:32 Oh, Mao with the cell phone.
0:35:34 Look at that.
0:35:36 Look at that sexiness.
0:35:37 Mao, can you get a shot of this?
0:35:38 – Is it the Valor or is it Velour?
0:35:40 – It could be Velour.
0:35:42 So that looks like a vintage,
0:35:45 like almost like almost an old school,
0:35:46 like it’s an Aston Martin.
0:35:47 – Yeah.
0:35:48 – It’s almost looks like an old school,
0:35:51 like almost like a Cobra,
0:35:52 like a Chevy Cobra or something.
0:35:53 – Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chevy Cobra, yeah.
0:35:55 – Yeah, but like, yeah, look at that, Glenn.
0:35:56 – That’s fucking gorgeous.
0:35:58 – Yeah, it’s freaking gorgeous.
0:36:00 So I was like, okay, I gotta get this.
0:36:01 Like, look at that.
0:36:02 Can we really get it?
0:36:07 So I got ahold of a rep at Aston Martin
0:36:10 because I don’t know if I should even say this.
0:36:11 I’ve had an Aston Martin in the past.
0:36:14 Like, a long time ago, I’m not embarrassed to say that.
0:36:15 They were great cars.
0:36:18 And I was like, I want this car.
0:36:21 – And Kevin, the good news about cars
0:36:22 is you can buy them.
0:36:23 – No, no, no, no, no, no.
0:36:26 So I went and I looked and they said–
0:36:27 – Is it like Ferrari where they’re like,
0:36:28 they won’t let you buy them
0:36:29 unless you buy some of them?
0:36:31 – They’re doing like a hundred of them.
0:36:32 – Oh, so it’s super limited?
0:36:34 – What do you think it’s gonna cost?
0:36:35 – I mean, 500K.
0:36:36 – 1.4.
0:36:37 – Oh, gee, come on.
0:36:38 – Yeah, yeah, I’m not–
0:36:40 – You’re in Gotti town, that’s not a big deal.
0:36:42 – No go, but anyway, beautiful car.
0:36:43 All right, next–
0:36:46 – Also a beautiful condo in Santa Monica.
0:36:47 – Very true.
0:36:49 Next story of the day.
0:36:53 Cocaine sharks found in Brazil.
0:36:54 Okay.
0:36:55 – Okay, I have questions.
0:36:56 – I actually found this story on–
0:36:57 – Are they made of cocaine?
0:36:58 – Well, I’ll tell you in a second.
0:37:01 – Are they cocaine distribution sharks?
0:37:02 – I’ll tell you in a second.
0:37:04 I found this on Dig, actually.
0:37:05 – Oh, cool.
0:37:07 – And Dig, if you’re listening,
0:37:08 if you sell me the site back,
0:37:10 I will mention more of your articles.
0:37:11 – Oh.
0:37:12 – Okay, I’ve been trying to do that,
0:37:15 and they have not won a sell yet.
0:37:16 All right, so,
0:37:20 this, they took these sharks,
0:37:23 and they brought them in for investigation.
0:37:25 – And was it because they assumed
0:37:27 something had to do with drugs,
0:37:28 or were they just interested in shark checking?
0:37:30 – They checked for mercury,
0:37:31 they checked for stuff every once in a while,
0:37:32 they get sharks in to see like,
0:37:33 how is the population doing?
0:37:35 – How’s the sharks doing in Brazil?
0:37:36 – They found–
0:37:37 – There’s no money at that.
0:37:40 – They’ve found that they have
0:37:44 a hundred times higher concentrations of cocaine.
0:37:46 – Than 80s party goers.
0:37:48 – And they’re blood streams?
0:37:49 – Than normal sharks?
0:37:51 – Or than like, so they’re party sharks.
0:37:53 – These are sharks that are like,
0:37:55 I gotta get up to the morning and check the techer.
0:37:56 – So, dude, first of all,
0:37:59 no one wants to be chased by cocaine sharks.
0:38:00 – Oh, Jesus.
0:38:02 – I didn’t even think about that.
0:38:03 Oh my God.
0:38:04 – Think of the ramification.
0:38:05 – It’d be great if it was just like,
0:38:06 first off, I’d love to see the Jaws trailer.
0:38:11 It’s like, da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da.
0:38:12 Like five times the speed.
0:38:13 – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:38:14 – Yeah, they’re just like fucking burning calories.
0:38:15 – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:38:17 – Like, you look at this guy, he’s skinny as shit.
0:38:18 – Bro, that dude doesn’t sleep.
0:38:23 – Dude, that dude has been like going nonstop.
0:38:24 – Nonstop. – For like a month.
0:38:26 – I saw that guy burning, man.
0:38:29 – Like, he has no fat on his body at all.
0:38:32 That shark has been hitting it. – That is lean.
0:38:35 – So, somehow these, they don’t know how these sharks are–
0:38:36 – Try your heart, though.
0:38:37 – They don’t know how these sharks
0:38:40 are doing lines of cocaine, but they apparently–
0:38:43 – So, they don’t know why these sharks have cocaine in them?
0:38:45 – They think it might be like smuggling,
0:38:47 getting into the water.
0:38:47 – Yeah.
0:38:48 – Like–
0:38:52 – Well, aren’t they always like news reports of like,
0:38:56 a child found a bundle of cocaine on the shore of Florida.
0:38:58 – So, they’re not putting it in their bodies as like–
0:39:00 – Yeah, it’s not a recreational use.
0:39:01 – Right, exactly.
0:39:01 – Yeah.
0:39:03 – No, no, no, meaning like they’re not like smuggling it
0:39:04 in them or anything like that.
0:39:04 Like, you know, there’s–
0:39:05 – Oh!
0:39:06 – Yeah.
0:39:08 – They cut open humans and put their guts
0:39:09 and shit to smuggle.
0:39:10 – Yeah, yeah, like the movie Lucy,
0:39:12 which is also very, which is actually pretty cool.
0:39:13 – I’m saying it.
0:39:13 – It’s good.
0:39:15 Actually, it’d be really good in your fucking thing.
0:39:16 – Here’s the question, though.
0:39:17 – Yeah.
0:39:18 – You go to Brazil.
0:39:19 – Yeah.
0:39:20 – What’s up?
0:39:20 Are we going to Brazil?
0:39:21 Have you been to Brazil?
0:39:22 – Yes, I have.
0:39:23 I went there for a bachelor party.
0:39:24 It was fucking amazing.
0:39:25 – Oh, God.
0:39:25 – It was great.
0:39:26 Very hairless.
0:39:27 So, we went–
0:39:28 – Hairless.
0:39:29 – What?
0:39:30 – Nothing.
0:39:33 – So, we went to, I went to Brazil for a bachelor party.
0:39:35 – It was fun.
0:39:36 – I’m glad you came back.
0:39:37 – I made it back alive.
0:39:42 But I will say, if they had on the menu,
0:39:44 ’cause they sell Shark of Things,
0:39:45 cocaine shark.
0:39:46 – Uh.
0:39:48 – Little upsellsies.
0:39:49 – A little upsell.
0:39:51 – A little $15 extra.
0:39:52 – Oh!
0:39:53 – $14 extra.
0:39:53 – Add-on.
0:39:54 – Add-on.
0:39:56 – Hammer head or hammer nose.
0:39:59 (laughing)
0:40:00 – I get that.
0:40:00 – Could you–
0:40:03 – Would I have cocaine shark?
0:40:04 I mean, I–
0:40:05 – You’d try it.
0:40:05 – Maybe it’d be like–
0:40:06 – Like, soon she had cocaine shark.
0:40:07 – No, ’cause I was thinking about that.
0:40:08 ‘Cause you remember when we were in Japan?
0:40:10 – It’s not doing drugs in.
0:40:11 – Yeah.
0:40:11 – Fugu, fugu, fugu.
0:40:12 – The blowfish.
0:40:13 – The blowfish.
0:40:14 – Yeah.
0:40:15 – Remember how, like, fucking lips were tingling?
0:40:17 – Well, we thought we might’ve died.
0:40:18 – Well, I thought I might’ve died.
0:40:19 – Yeah, ’cause–
0:40:20 – First off, it was the worst.
0:40:23 Oh my God, I was so tired, drunk.
0:40:24 Like, it was all–
0:40:25 – All those things, yeah.
0:40:26 – It was all amazing.
0:40:27 We had a great–
0:40:28 – Japan’s the best, yeah.
0:40:30 – But yes, no, the fugu, like, I could imagine,
0:40:33 like, oh, you have shark, and you have cocaine shark,
0:40:34 and if you have cocaine shark,
0:40:36 you just get a little, like, woo, ha, ho, woo.
0:40:37 – Yeah, like, oh, a little pep of the step.
0:40:38 – Yeah.
0:40:40 – Yeah, a little cook in the hole.
0:40:43 – I mean, I kind of feel like that should be a thing,
0:40:44 they should tell.
0:40:44 – I mean, otherwise–
0:40:45 – At sushi restaurants in Brazil.
0:40:46 – Why, with me?
0:40:47 – Yeah.
0:40:48 – I mean, if they’re discovering it,
0:40:49 maybe they just do a little test.
0:40:51 – But it’s not like it’s like you’re getting, like,
0:40:54 full cocaine, it’s like you’re just little sharky cocaine.
0:40:56 – Yeah, it’s like, it’s not full cocaine, okay?
0:40:57 – Yeah, I know.
0:40:58 – It’s just shark cocaine.
0:41:00 – People don’t do cocaine.
0:41:02 – Just in general.
0:41:03 – Just in general.
0:41:04 But if you’re having it in the shark?
0:41:05 – Yeah, maybe in the shark form.
0:41:07 – These sharks are fit.
0:41:09 Every time you see, like, a video of them–
0:41:13 – On the coast of Brazil, tested positive for cocaine.
0:41:14 (laughing)
0:41:15 Scientists say it is the first time–
0:41:16 – That dude is just like, woo.
0:41:18 – They detected in free-ranging sharks.
0:41:19 – Oh, free-ranging.
0:41:21 – Researchers at the Aswaldo Cruise Company–
0:41:23 – That guy’s been hidden, look, I’m skinning years.
0:41:25 – That’s the same guy, two years later.
0:41:26 (laughing)
0:41:27 – Those sharks, he tested.
0:41:30 – His nose holes are blown the fuck out.
0:41:31 (laughing)
0:41:31 – Did you use the drugs?
0:41:33 – I mean, look, they’re mostly cartilage,
0:41:34 so now they’re just empty.
0:41:35 – Yeah, exactly.
0:41:36 – It’s a sack of meat.
0:41:36 – You know what?
0:41:37 – It’s a bunch of muscle.
0:41:38 – Good on them.
0:41:40 They’re having a good old time, and, you know.
0:41:41 – That would be hysterical.
0:41:43 If you’re snorkeling and you come up to a shark
0:41:45 who’s just doing cocaine, whoa, holy shit.
0:41:46 – I can fucking–
0:41:47 – Like shoves it away.
0:41:47 He’s like, oh.
0:41:48 – I don’t know if the seashells are shit.
0:41:51 – I’m just saying, I’m just saying, some like crazy fucking
0:41:52 lobster in the side.
0:41:53 – Just saying.
0:41:55 – You owe me 20 bucks for that ball.
0:41:57 (laughing)
0:42:00 – Oh god, so great.
0:42:04 – Nothing like cocaine sharks to bring back to nation.
0:42:08 – Okay, so this is not necessarily a story.
0:42:10 – Okay, did you finish your beer yet?
0:42:11 – Yes.
0:42:12 – Is it done?
0:42:13 I got red wine for you.
0:42:14 – Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:42:16 – It’s my own blend.
0:42:18 – It’s my own blend.
0:42:20 – Is it actually your blend, or is it just called Rose?
0:42:21 – It’s called Rose Rock.
0:42:25 It is a place made in, it was made in Oregon.
0:42:25 So I’m gonna say–
0:42:26 – A place made in Oregon.
0:42:27 – No, it’s actually a really good Pinot,
0:42:28 so I’m just gonna have to try it.
0:42:29 – I would like some.
0:42:30 – Have a nice one, glass.
0:42:31 – Watch it, watch it.
0:42:32 Don’t spill your thing.
0:42:33 – No, this is fine.
0:42:34 – That’s okay.
0:42:35 – People get freaked out when glasses are like this,
0:42:36 and I’m okay with it.
0:42:38 – I’m confident that they’re freaked out.
0:42:38 – Yeah, I know.
0:42:39 – Oh really?
0:42:40 – Oh yeah.
0:42:41 – Oh yeah, for sure.
0:42:43 – I could not, I could not.
0:42:45 – People don’t like it when glasses are something like this.
0:42:47 – Well first off, A, it’s your couch.
0:42:47 – Well I know, but also–
0:42:48 – I would be like, no.
0:42:51 – Number one, a stain-treated couch.
0:42:52 Do you not get that?
0:42:52 – It’s stain-treated.
0:42:53 – Do you get that?
0:42:54 – This is stain-treated?
0:42:55 – Yeah, of course.
0:42:56 – Oh yeah.
0:42:57 – You need a little spraysies.
0:42:57 I don’t know if it kills you or not, but–
0:42:58 – Oh great.
0:42:59 – Oh, look at that.
0:43:00 – Oh, she chooses Kevin.
0:43:01 – Brofest.
0:43:02 – Brofest.
0:43:03 – Casa de mañana.
0:43:05 – Okay, I don’t know why I have this.
0:43:06 Wrong glass, Glenn.
0:43:07 (laughing)
0:43:08 No, no fence, no fence.
0:43:11 – Can you grab us a different wine glass, thank you, Glenn.
0:43:13 Just a wine glass, not a beer glass.
0:43:17 – I’m gonna have drank wine out of a–
0:43:17 – A Brofest glass?
0:43:19 – A Brofest glass.
0:43:19 – All right, so what’s your story?
0:43:22 – Okay, so here’s the thing, here’s the thing.
0:43:27 Did you, what language did you take in high school?
0:43:28 – I didn’t.
0:43:31 – You didn’t have any language requirement in high school?
0:43:33 – I took Pascal.
0:43:34 – Oh, you took Pascal out?
0:43:37 – Like, literally, they let us take a beer science.
0:43:39 (laughing)
0:43:40 – I love you, Glenn.
0:43:42 I love you, Glenn, it’s great, it’s great.
0:43:45 – Can you can me that mouth, thank you.
0:43:45 This is fine, Glenn.
0:43:46 – Yeah.
0:43:47 – Thank you.
0:43:50 It’s literally like a thousand other wine glasses.
0:43:52 All right, this is good juice.
0:43:53 – Bro, I’m excited for the juice.
0:43:54 – Let me know what you think of this.
0:43:55 – The juice is loose.
0:43:58 – Rose rock from Oregon, which is–
0:43:58 – Oregon Pino?
0:43:59 Come on, now.
0:44:00 – Yeah, yeah, try that.
0:44:02 I think you’ll like it.
0:44:03 – All right.
0:44:05 – So, dual lingo, take your time.
0:44:06 Dual lingo.
0:44:07 – So this is what I was gonna say.
0:44:08 – Cheers.
0:44:09 – Is it good?
0:44:10 Can I try this up?
0:44:11 – Sure, sure, sure.
0:44:12 It’s your wine, it’s your glass.
0:44:13 I’m just visiting.
0:44:15 – That’s really good.
0:44:16 – Yeah, I know, I know, it’s yours.
0:44:17 – Sure.
0:44:20 – Okay, so, you didn’t take a language in high school.
0:44:21 I don’t know.
0:44:24 I took, I was always bad with languages.
0:44:25 – Same.
0:44:28 – I took Latin for two years.
0:44:29 – You didn’t take Latin.
0:44:29 You were bad with languages.
0:44:30 It’s like the hardest one ever.
0:44:32 – No, it was actually easy,
0:44:34 ’cause most of the words are like the word.
0:44:35 You know what I mean?
0:44:37 ‘Cause we’re all Latin languages.
0:44:39 – Anyway, so I took Latin for two years,
0:44:41 then I took French for two years,
0:44:43 and then I took French in college for a year.
0:44:45 – Can I speak any French?
0:44:46 – Yeah, you can see.
0:44:50 – Say like, I love Dignation, it’s so great.
0:44:53 – Oh God, what’s I love?
0:44:54 – Okay, you don’t have to do this.
0:44:55 It’s not gonna work.
0:44:59 – Je, yeah, je t’aime Dignation.
0:45:00 – Oh, there you go.
0:45:02 – Oh, je t’aime Le Dignation.
0:45:03 – Oh, what’s that?
0:45:04 – C’est bon.
0:45:06 So not a ton, ’cause I just,
0:45:08 they’d kind of go in and go out.
0:45:11 But because of all the stuff that I’m sure people know,
0:45:12 ’cause I’ve been talking about it on the show,
0:45:14 with the Italian citizenship and going to Italy
0:45:16 and falling in love with Italy and all this stuff,
0:45:17 I was like, you know what?
0:45:23 I’m going to download a language learning app,
0:45:26 and I’m just gonna, I’m not gonna judge it.
0:45:28 I’m just gonna start the app
0:45:31 and do the things that it says to do,
0:45:33 half an hour a day.
0:45:35 It’s all fucking candy crush now, it’s crazy.
0:45:38 It’s literally like a war of fucking streaks
0:45:40 and badges and shit, and I’m like–
0:45:40 – Fireworks and shit.
0:45:41 – Yeah, talking to you.
0:45:43 Conversations, getting legendary golds, shit,
0:45:45 and I was like, this is all, I mean, I know that.
0:45:48 I’ve been doing that for nothing, no benefit,
0:45:50 except adrenaline in my head.
0:45:51 – For video games.
0:45:52 – For video games, yeah.
0:45:54 Like Candy Crush, I don’t get anything out of it.
0:45:55 – You play Candy Crush?
0:45:55 – Oh, god.
0:45:56 I stopped, but yes.
0:45:57 – Really?
0:45:58 – Oh, it was so good.
0:45:59 It’s really interesting.
0:46:00 – Oh, je t’aime, oh, je t’aime.
0:46:00 – Oh, je t’aime.
0:46:05 – Anyway, so I downloaded Duolingo, and I’m now
0:46:08 on my 18 day streak, but not only that,
0:46:11 a friend of mine turned me on to this thing,
0:46:12 and I wanted to know if you, I mean,
0:46:14 you probably hadn’t heard about it,
0:46:16 but it’s called Slow News.
0:46:17 – No.
0:46:22 – So the whole concept is you can consume your news,
0:46:25 your daily news, in a foreign language,
0:46:27 but they talk slowly.
0:46:31 So it’s literally Slow News Italian.
0:46:33 And so what it is, is that every day,
0:46:37 you can consume your news in audio form,
0:46:41 but it’s in Italian, but they do it very slowly.
0:46:42 – Amazing.
0:46:43 – Is that a great idea?
0:46:44 – Yeah.
0:46:45 – Genius.
0:46:46 – For people.
0:46:48 – Yeah, oh yeah, I’m sure they do English
0:46:50 for some people who are just slow humans,
0:46:53 people that are kiting checks and not knowing it.
0:46:57 They’re like, you shouldn’t steal from a bank.
0:47:02 – Oh, why the fuck was I stealing from a bank?
0:47:04 So thanks for saying that slowly.
0:47:07 – So they have Spanish, they have French,
0:47:08 they have Italian, and they have German.
0:47:09 You know what?
0:47:10 – But isn’t this great?
0:47:12 – Yeah, but also I kinda wish they just had bluey
0:47:17 in Japanese, because I like bluey.
0:47:18 I like bluey, do you wanna watch bluey?
0:47:20 – First off, they do have blue in Japanese,
0:47:23 it’s bluey with Japanese turned on.
0:47:23 – Oh, okay, I’ll do that.
0:47:24 – I’m sure they have a dub.
0:47:25 – Okay, alright, I’ll do that.
0:47:27 – But again, they’re gonna be talking really fast.
0:47:28 – Right, I need them to slow down.
0:47:30 – So this is the thing, man.
0:47:31 But I was like, I’ve really decided,
0:47:33 ’cause I’m like, I had a friend of mine
0:47:35 that was like, oh, I did a year streak on,
0:47:37 I think she was learning Spanish,
0:47:38 she was like, I did a year streak,
0:47:41 and then I realized I couldn’t have conversations or talk.
0:47:46 And I was like, I’m totally not, I’m not judging it.
0:47:50 I’m not trying to be like, oh, well you know,
0:47:53 if I can’t say where is the this,
0:47:54 ’cause I’ve been doing this for 18 days,
0:47:55 then like fuck this thing.
0:47:57 It’s like, no, I’m just gonna do it
0:48:01 for like three months every day.
0:48:04 And at the end, see what it does.
0:48:06 And no pressure to me, like if it doesn’t work,
0:48:07 who gives a shit?
0:48:09 It was like 80 bucks for a year.
0:48:10 And it’s fun, I mean it’s, you know.
0:48:12 – Is it work well?
0:48:13 – I mean, it’s doing, yeah, it’s pretty cool.
0:48:16 – The problem I have with Duolingo and apps like that
0:48:19 is that like, they always take me down this route
0:48:20 of like taking me in the shit
0:48:22 where I’m like never gonna say it.
0:48:24 They’re like, watermelon, blah, blah, blah.
0:48:26 And I’m just like, I’m like, wouldn’t–
0:48:28 – I didn’t know you could learn Aquatis.
0:48:29 – No.
0:48:30 (laughing)
0:48:33 I’m just like, when the fuck am I gonna say watermelon?
0:48:36 Like I wanna go to Japan.
0:48:38 And I wanna say, where is the bathroom?
0:48:40 Can I order extra sake?
0:48:42 I’ll take more of that fish.
0:48:45 Like there’s certain things, like I don’t want watermelon.
0:48:47 – So Duolingo is actually doing that.
0:48:49 It starts with like ordering a cafe.
0:48:50 – Yeah.
0:48:51 – You know what I mean?
0:48:52 So it’s like croissant, you know,
0:48:54 how do I get a coffee with sugar
0:48:55 and milk and all that stuff.
0:48:56 – That’s where we need to go.
0:48:58 – And then it’s like navigating a city,
0:49:00 like where’s the bathroom?
0:49:02 Where’s the church of Piazza?
0:49:04 Like where’s the, you know, restaurant stores?
0:49:05 – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:49:06 – Pharmacy, like all that stuff.
0:49:07 – Do you have this in X or large?
0:49:08 Like things like that.
0:49:09 – Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:49:11 Dispensary, la dispensarilla.
0:49:12 (laughing)
0:49:13 – For Glenn, of course.
0:49:15 – Questa la dispensarilla, vero?
0:49:20 And so anyway, for Glenn, where’s the dispensary?
0:49:23 You could just check the hippie Glenn selection.
0:49:24 – It just turns it off.
0:49:26 You’re like, can you micro-dose this pizza?
0:49:29 (laughing)
0:49:31 But anyway, but I was like, I was like,
0:49:33 that’s, it’s been interesting for me
0:49:36 because I was like, I’m not a big language guy,
0:49:39 but I also was like, I wanna know,
0:49:41 I wanna learn as much Italian as I can learn
0:49:43 without actively like hurting my brain.
0:49:45 ‘Cause to be fair, I never liked school.
0:49:47 Didn’t like it from the beginning that it started.
0:49:48 And I hated it.
0:49:51 I powered through just to fucking get done
0:49:52 with what my parents said I needed to do
0:49:53 to be able to be like,
0:49:55 I don’t have to ever go back to a school.
0:49:56 But I also love learning.
0:49:59 It’s such a weird dichotomy.
0:50:03 Like I love new, like learning new things,
0:50:05 but I fucking hated school.
0:50:07 I loved all the, like, well, when I got to college,
0:50:08 I loved all the social stuff,
0:50:10 but like, I was not a school guy.
0:50:13 – Yeah, I got really bad grades until I got into computers
0:50:14 and then it just like went from there.
0:50:17 – But even then, like I literally went to college
0:50:18 to have someone tell me
0:50:20 that I already knew shit about computers.
0:50:20 – That’s right.
0:50:21 – That’s literally what happened.
0:50:23 – I know, I remember going into those classes
0:50:26 and I know more than the instructor there.
0:50:28 So I got a new phone.
0:50:30 – Newer than the last phone?
0:50:33 – This is the brand new Pixel 9.
0:50:35 Just came out two days ago.
0:50:38 – First off, how many fucking phones did you need?
0:50:39 – Don’t worry about it.
0:50:39 Don’t worry about it.
0:50:41 I need to practice, I need to learn.
0:50:41 – You need to learn.
0:50:43 I need to learn the phone.
0:50:45 – First of all, have you ever felt a phone
0:50:47 that felt more like an iPhone than that?
0:50:48 – Ooh.
0:50:49 – Yeah.
0:50:50 – That is an iPhone.
0:50:51 – It’s got some weight to it.
0:50:53 But that’s like the form factor.
0:50:55 – Look at the camera though, crazy looks.
0:50:56 – That’s fucked up.
0:50:57 That’s cool.
0:50:58 I feel like I could go to Mars with that.
0:50:59 – Yeah.
0:51:03 – At what point, at what point is it?
0:51:04 – You said the same stuff.
0:51:06 – And I’m just trying to think of like how to say this,
0:51:08 like this is an iPhone.
0:51:09 The form factor is an iPhone.
0:51:10 – I know, it’s crazy.
0:51:13 – At what point is it like, did they just give up
0:51:15 and go, let’s just make an iPhone with our shit in it?
0:51:17 – No, but like, now it’s kind of-
0:51:18 – But you know what I mean?
0:51:18 It was always sort of like,
0:51:20 but this is what the same thing, you know,
0:51:20 this is not that.
0:51:22 – To be honest, iPhone is copying more of their shit
0:51:23 ’cause you can pick up where you want.
0:51:24 Check this out.
0:51:26 It’s got Jim and I built in now by default.
0:51:27 So watch this.
0:51:30 Who is Alex Albrecht?
0:51:31 Look how fast that was.
0:51:32 – That was fast.
0:51:35 – Alex Albrecht is best known
0:51:39 as an American TV personality, actor and podcaster.
0:51:40 – Oh, I am not.
0:51:41 – He co-hosted the popular tech show,
0:51:45 the screensavers and podcasts like Dignation.
0:51:47 He’s also recognized for it.
0:51:47 – Is he?
0:51:48 – He’s circumcised.
0:51:50 Let’s just see, let’s just see.
0:51:51 It’s gonna be on my Wikipedia now.
0:51:54 – I can’t provide personal details about people,
0:51:56 including Alex Albrecht.
0:51:57 – That’s fair, that’s fair.
0:51:58 – You know what, that was nice.
0:51:59 Thank you, thank you.
0:52:01 It’s not publicly available until now.
0:52:05 – But it’s like, it’s built into the OS.
0:52:06 So I don’t like it.
0:52:09 – What do you think, you don’t like it?
0:52:12 – You know, it’s just like, there’s still some issues
0:52:16 and it’s cool and all, but like, I gotta say,
0:52:18 so the nothing phone, which I know we’ve come back,
0:52:20 we talked about this last time,
0:52:22 the one thing I didn’t show you about the nothing phone
0:52:24 that I like, we talked about how minimal it was.
0:52:26 I never showed you the ringtones.
0:52:27 – Oh, and you did not.
0:52:29 – So check this out.
0:52:30 This has LEDs built into the back.
0:52:32 – Okay. – Watch this, watch this.
0:52:35 – Fuck.
0:52:37 – Is it making, oh it’s not doing videos.
0:52:39 It’s not doing audio, hold on.
0:52:40 – First off.
0:52:42 – Is it doing any like visuals?
0:52:45 – No, but the fucking, the Casio keyboard called
0:52:47 and wants its samples back.
0:52:48 – Hold on.
0:52:49 – Hold on.
0:52:50 – It’s fucking great.
0:52:51 – Oh.
0:52:54 – Can you see now?
0:52:55 – Oh, yeah.
0:52:56 – Yeah, just check this out.
0:52:59 – That’s kind of dope.
0:53:01 – First off, that sounds like somebody
0:53:02 falling down the stairs with bones.
0:53:03 – Hold on, hold on.
0:53:05 Hold on.
0:53:08 These are ringtones.
0:53:12 – Yeah, no, I get, that’s the one.
0:53:15 – Okay, hold on.
0:53:16 What about this?
0:53:17 This is machines.
0:53:18 Okay, that sounds pretty straightforward.
0:53:19 – That’s a telephone.
0:53:22 (clock ticking)
0:53:24 – That’s pretty dope.
0:53:27 – I mean, it is dope, but I literally feel like
0:53:30 if I threw a Casio keyboard down the stairs.
0:53:31 – How about this one?
0:53:34 (clock ticking)
0:53:36 – That is someone falling down the stairs.
0:53:37 – Ooh.
0:53:39 – You gotta admit that’s cool.
0:53:41 – By the way, that’s a dolphin having sex.
0:53:44 And that’s, he’s finished.
0:53:49 – You gotta admit that’s kind of dope stuff.
0:53:50 – Really, dude?
0:53:50 I totally love it.
0:53:51 – Yeah, so anyway.
0:53:54 – By the way, this is a lesson I had a fucking ringtone.
0:53:55 My phone is never on.
0:53:57 – I think Android should be cooler like this.
0:53:59 Like not like, this is like the stock,
0:54:01 Google stuff doesn’t do it for me.
0:54:03 And also Apple AI is coming out.
0:54:04 I got the beta on this one now
0:54:07 and you can move the icons around wherever you want and like.
0:54:10 – So is Siri, and Siri has the,
0:54:11 what is it that Siri is gonna be using?
0:54:12 Is it KGBT or something?
0:54:13 – No, no, no, no.
0:54:14 Well, it’s got that as a backup,
0:54:16 but it’s called Apple Intelligence.
0:54:17 – Apple Intelligence.
0:54:18 It’s its own LL.
0:54:21 They’ll get there, but yeah, they’re leaning on that.
0:54:23 But anyway, this story was about the Pixel 9,
0:54:24 I’m gonna return it.
0:54:26 And then, I’m gonna return it.
0:54:27 You’re gonna get my money back.
0:54:30 And then also Volkswagen is introducing chat GPT
0:54:32 into their cars.
0:54:35 And then Siri announced they’re doing Claude,
0:54:36 sorry, not Siri.
0:54:38 Alexa is doing Claude.
0:54:39 – I mean, we talked about this last time.
0:54:40 – It’s a war.
0:54:42 – It is a war, but at the end of the day,
0:54:45 I don’t know if there’s gonna be a meaningful difference
0:54:47 to an end user on-
0:54:48 – Agreed.
0:54:50 – A difference between Claude, Sonnen.
0:54:51 – So you don’t care.
0:54:52 – Chat GPT, why would I?
0:54:54 ‘Cause they’re all gonna do essentially the same thing.
0:54:56 They’re gonna talk to me via the whatever product
0:54:57 I’m gonna have, right?
0:55:01 So like, I will say I am excited for,
0:55:06 the Alexa is such a weird device.
0:55:07 – Right.
0:55:08 – It’s such a weird device.
0:55:11 It was so revolutionary when it first came out.
0:55:13 It was like, well, I mean, like to my parents.
0:55:14 – Oh yeah.
0:55:15 – Like my dad, literally, I remember when he first
0:55:17 had an Alexa, he was like, dude,
0:55:18 I can ask it to play any song
0:55:20 and it’ll just fucking play it.
0:55:20 – Oh, for sure.
0:55:23 – And I was like, yeah, well, that’s the internet.
0:55:26 The internet main, like, welcome to the internet, dad.
0:55:27 But he loved it.
0:55:28 And then they got a little,
0:55:29 they got to the point where they were like,
0:55:32 it’s the guy’s spying on you, it’s gonna sink.
0:55:32 So they put them all away.
0:55:33 – Oh, really?
0:55:34 – Oh yeah.
0:55:36 And I was like, oh, they just stopped using them.
0:55:39 Which whatever, I mean, they are listening.
0:55:40 – They’re not listening.
0:55:43 – But either way, I have them all throughout the house,
0:55:47 but I literally do essentially two things.
0:55:49 One, I do every day, if I need to,
0:55:51 which is I ask it to turn the lights on or off.
0:55:52 That’s it.
0:55:53 – Pretty straightforward.
0:55:54 – Pretty straightforward.
0:55:55 And then the other thing is,
0:55:57 if I ever have like a question or like,
0:55:59 I’m like, hmm, how long should I have,
0:56:01 like in the kitchen, ’cause we have one in the kitchen,
0:56:04 I’ll be like, oof, these hard boiled eggs
0:56:07 have been in the fridge for a couple weeks.
0:56:09 So I’ll be like, hey, Alexa.
0:56:10 – Interesting.
0:56:11 – Should I have this, you know,
0:56:12 should I eat these eggs?
0:56:13 – Does it work?
0:56:14 – Sometimes.
0:56:15 – Watch it.
0:56:17 So this is why I’m saying I’m excited.
0:56:18 – This is the new Gemini.
0:56:19 – Okay.
0:56:21 – I’ve had some hard boiled eggs in the fridge
0:56:22 for a couple of weeks.
0:56:23 Should I eat them?
0:56:26 – Oh, this is gonna be great.
0:56:31 – No, you should not eat hard boiled eggs
0:56:34 that have been in the fridge for two weeks.
0:56:36 They are likely spoiled and could make you sick.
0:56:37 – Perfect.
0:56:38 – It’s best to discard them.
0:56:41 – Well, much as though, push it a little bit.
0:56:41 – Wow.
0:56:43 – Yeah, but I like to roll the dice a little bit.
0:56:46 I’m a little risky on that sort of thing.
0:56:49 And I’ve had a couple drinks.
0:56:51 Can I eat one and just see what happens?
0:56:53 – Oh, it’s calling 911.
0:56:54 – No, it’s not.
0:56:56 (laughing)
0:56:59 – Absolutely not.
0:57:00 – That’s a little sick though.
0:57:02 – It’s a serious health risk.
0:57:02 – Oh, man, what?
0:57:04 – It’s great poisoning with symptoms
0:57:06 like vomiting, diarrhea, and fever.
0:57:07 – Oh, all right.
0:57:09 – It’s never worth taking that chance.
0:57:12 Even if you feel a bit adventurous after a few drinks.
0:57:13 – Amazing.
0:57:14 – Please prioritize your health and safety.
0:57:16 – Jesus.
0:57:19 – Please rate this exchange one to ten.
0:57:21 – All right, but the thing with as we know,
0:57:22 Apple will not, they’ll say,
0:57:24 I’m searching the web for it, should you eat?
0:57:26 – So that’s what the, sometimes it’s gonna get better though.
0:57:27 – But sometimes with Amazon,
0:57:32 it’ll be like a knowledge.com post says,
0:57:35 you should only eat them after it’s been a week.
0:57:35 You know what I mean?
0:57:37 So I do do that periodically,
0:57:39 but it’s not good.
0:57:40 It’s not that.
0:57:40 – Well, so Claude–
0:57:41 – That would have been great
0:57:43 if they were like, oh, please don’t eat that.
0:57:46 I’d be like, okay, okay, Alexa, I will not eat that.
0:57:47 And then I would throw them away.
0:57:48 I mean, I’d do that anyway.
0:57:50 – So Claude is better, watch.
0:57:51 It’s been a couple of weeks
0:57:52 and I’ve had some hard-boiled eggs in the fridge.
0:57:53 Can I eat them?
0:57:58 So Claude, I think Claude is better.
0:58:01 To determine if your heart bullies are so safe to eat,
0:58:01 consider the following.
0:58:04 Have they been stored in the fridge continuously?
0:58:06 Is the shell cracked?
0:58:07 Do they smell?
0:58:10 Do they have any weird appearance?
0:58:11 Generally, heart bullies can last
0:58:13 about one week in the refrigerator for two weeks
0:58:14 or is it–
0:58:15 – So they feel like you’re reading
0:58:16 and so I’m already like, if I have to read–
0:58:18 – Yeah, I know, I know, it’ll get better.
0:58:19 – Not gonna get better.
0:58:20 – Anyway, so, but–
0:58:22 – If I have to read, I’m not gonna do literally.
0:58:24 – The interesting thing about this though,
0:58:26 which I guess the whole point of the article
0:58:29 is that chatGPT is going into Volkswagen.
0:58:30 – Oh yes, yes it is.
0:58:33 – So there’s gonna be this like war
0:58:34 where we’re like, we’re gonna get in our cars
0:58:35 when I have one AI there,
0:58:37 whenever a phone’s gonna have a different AI.
0:58:39 – Yeah, but what does it matter to you?
0:58:40 – I guess it really doesn’t.
0:58:43 – Why would you give a shit what the underlying tech is?
0:58:44 You’re gonna talk to your car,
0:58:45 you’re gonna talk to your air conditioning,
0:58:46 you’re gonna talk to your refrigerator,
0:58:47 you’re gonna talk to your wife,
0:58:49 you’re gonna talk to your children,
0:58:50 you’re gonna talk to your accountant,
0:58:53 you’re gonna talk to your bathtub.
0:58:54 – It’s all gonna be good.
0:58:55 – You’re just gonna be talking to everything.
0:58:56 – Yeah.
0:58:58 – And by the way, I, for one, am excited.
0:58:59 – I am too.
0:59:00 – I like talking.
0:59:03 – I’m pro AI, I’m a fan.
0:59:04 – Well, so let me ask you this though.
0:59:06 – Okay.
0:59:10 – What are the use cases in the car?
0:59:12 – I mean, it’s mostly just like,
0:59:13 is there a better route?
0:59:16 And then, you know, trivia.
0:59:19 – By the way, when you, when you, trivia?
0:59:21 I’m stuck in traffic, ask me some questions.
0:59:24 – I don’t know, you can do whatever you want, you know?
0:59:26 – Was the third president of Guam.
0:59:28 – So I mean, that’s the whole thing about the AI is like,
0:59:30 you can just like have fun with it while it’s in the car.
0:59:32 – Yeah, but I mean like, well, here’s the thing.
0:59:37 So I will say, one of the things that I’d like,
0:59:40 the air conditioning in a car is so fucking important.
0:59:42 It’s like, especially in California,
0:59:43 especially when we’re like in the middle of a hot,
0:59:46 yeah, we’re in the middle of a hot street right now,
0:59:48 the Tesla air conditioning is not great.
0:59:49 – No.
0:59:50 – It’s just not great.
0:59:51 And it’s like, it’s such a simple tech.
0:59:53 – But know about an AI is gonna like fix that.
0:59:54 – No, but I was thinking like,
0:59:57 what would I, what would I be driving and saying?
0:59:58 Like, what would I want to do?
1:00:01 And I think I would, I would do things like,
1:00:04 you know, Hey car or Volge,
1:00:06 whatever you, the Volkswagen is called, I don’t know.
1:00:10 Hey Volge, I’m high, can you knock it down a dip?
1:00:11 – So I’ve had, I’ve had-
1:00:13 – And let them just be like, dip, dip, dip.
1:00:16 – So I had, I had Rivian and I sold it, I didn’t like it.
1:00:17 – You sold your Rivian?
1:00:18 – I had some of the issues with it, but-
1:00:20 – You had issues with your Rivian?
1:00:24 – So hold on, it had Alexa built in and I could say to Alexa,
1:00:28 I could say, hey, play me my Pandora Station of this.
1:00:29 And it would do it quite well.
1:00:31 I could say, what is the forecast?
1:00:32 It would do it quite well.
1:00:34 So it was like, it was getting there.
1:00:36 But you’re right though.
1:00:37 There’s not a whole lot of things you need to do.
1:00:38 – What are you gonna say?
1:00:42 And to be fair, like cars have had voice activation stuff
1:00:46 for so many years and it’s always been so janky and wonky.
1:00:47 But it’s just like,
1:00:50 it would take longer for me to tell the car
1:00:52 to turn the fan down two notches.
1:00:54 Cause I don’t know what the command is
1:00:55 that they’re listening for.
1:00:56 I don’t know what the fucking thing is.
1:00:59 I say it and it’s like heading to Pizzeria Mango.
1:01:00 And you’re like, what the fuck are you doing?
1:01:01 Dap, dap, dap.
1:01:04 But if it’s an AI,
1:01:06 you can be more general about it.
1:01:07 You know what I mean?
1:01:08 You can be like, ooh, the fans are a little high.
1:01:10 Gotcha.
1:01:11 – Also you could say things like,
1:01:12 hey, I’m heading home.
1:01:16 Is there a place where I can grab a slice of pizza
1:01:16 on the way home?
1:01:17 – 100%.
1:01:18 – Like what kind of shit’s gonna be amazing?
1:01:19 – So this is one of the things
1:01:23 that I’ve always said about car navigation.
1:01:26 With all maps.
1:01:27 And maybe somebody has done this.
1:01:30 And if so, please email us or text me or text me.
1:01:33 Well, if you know me, text me.
1:01:34 But email me, whatever.
1:01:36 – Fans@Dignation.show.
1:01:37 – Fans@Dignation.show.
1:01:41 I’m driving down the road.
1:01:43 I’m on my way to San Diego to see my folks.
1:01:44 There’s a navigation.
1:01:47 It’s like I’m fucking going 80 miles an hour
1:01:49 in that direction.
1:01:51 If I open maps on my phone and I shouldn’t
1:01:52 because I’m driving,
1:01:55 but maybe the Tesla’s driving or whatever.
1:01:58 And I asked for a McDonald’s, Taco Bell,
1:02:02 a Starbucks, a fucking steak place, whatever.
1:02:05 Do not show me the one that’s behind me.
1:02:08 That I’m driving 80 miles an hour away from.
1:02:09 – That’s gonna get fixed.
1:02:11 – But I mean, but this is the thing that it’s like,
1:02:12 that’s the thing where it’s like,
1:02:14 hey, I’m on my way somewhere.
1:02:15 What’s in between?
1:02:18 Like what’s six, six sounds?
1:02:19 How, what?
1:02:20 – Well, you could just say like, okay,
1:02:22 you’re driving, you’re by yourself, right?
1:02:24 – Yeah, I want to start on the drive.
1:02:25 – Two and a half hours.
1:02:27 – Okay, so you’re driving, you say,
1:02:28 hey, play me some new music.
1:02:29 I’ve never heard of it before.
1:02:31 I’m interested in this genre.
1:02:31 – Okay.
1:02:34 – Hey, my girlfriend is not,
1:02:36 my wife has not talked to me in a while.
1:02:37 Like hit me up with some–
1:02:39 – I’ve been sleeping in the guest bedroom.
1:02:41 Could you maybe just sing to me a little bit?
1:02:43 This is one of our favorite songs.
1:02:44 – Extend the–
1:02:45 – Yeah, this is totally not weird.
1:02:49 – Drop the steering wheel down and go in and out.
1:02:54 – Like open the input/output port for my penis.
1:02:56 – Okay.
1:02:58 – I’m gonna go open the gas station.
1:02:59 – Next story, next story, next story.
1:03:01 – I gotta fill my tank.
1:03:02 (laughing)
1:03:03 All right, next story, next story.
1:03:04 – Your tank can be filled.
1:03:06 – All right, all right.
1:03:08 Why are singles in Spain
1:03:13 putting upside-down pineapples in their shopping carts?
1:03:15 – I don’t even know what upside-down pineapple is.
1:03:16 – It’s a pineapple that’s upside-down.
1:03:17 – Okay, it’s fairly–
1:03:18 – Here we go.
1:03:20 So, by the way, this was really good.
1:03:21 – Yeah, there’s more.
1:03:21 – Mm-hmm.
1:03:25 So, I’ve known that pineapples was connected
1:03:30 to open couples that are looking for a third,
1:03:35 especially on those sexy adults-only cruises.
1:03:36 – Swingers.
1:03:37 – Swingers, thank you.
1:03:38 Yeah, I was looking for the word–
1:03:38 – No, no, no, no.
1:03:39 – No, no, no, no.
1:03:41 – Swingers, it’s a pineapple, it’s a swinger.
1:03:44 What they would do is they would put an upside-down
1:03:46 pineapple sticker or a magnet on their door,
1:03:49 which meant that if you’re on a cruise and you saw that,
1:03:51 they’d be like, “No, those people are ready to play.”
1:03:52 – Now, did you know about this?
1:03:53 – Yeah.
1:03:54 – That’s pretty cool.
1:03:54 – It’s kind of, it’s pretty fun.
1:03:57 – Well, remember when (beep) was wearing the black ring
1:03:57 when we called them out?
1:03:58 – Oh, that’s the thing too, yeah.
1:04:01 – And we were like, “Oh, did you know about the black ring?”
1:04:03 – Ooh, no, but I’m thinking about–
1:04:04 – Don’t get a black ring.
1:04:06 – Well, no, no, no, now I will never.
1:04:07 – No, you can’t have them if we’re into that.
1:04:09 – I’m not into anything.
1:04:10 – If you wear a black ring,
1:04:12 first of all, why don’t you wear a wedding ring?
1:04:13 Are you single?
1:04:14 – No.
1:04:16 – So, if you wear a black wedding ring,
1:04:18 that means you’re like, you’re open to–
1:04:20 – That was not as, like, definitely
1:04:21 as the upside-down pineapple, yeah.
1:04:25 – Oh, upside-down pineapple means coming knocking, yeah.
1:04:27 – They’ll do upside-down pineapple pins.
1:04:28 They’ll do upside-down pineapples
1:04:33 in grocery stores outside of, in the world.
1:04:36 So, what happened was, in Spain,
1:04:38 a bunch of these singles were just like,
1:04:41 this is fucked up, dating apps suck.
1:04:43 Is there any other way that we could do this?
1:04:45 And they started doing this thing
1:04:48 that kind of went viral on Spanish TikTok,
1:04:51 which is, they would go to this grocery store,
1:04:55 hello, hello, they would go to this grocery store
1:04:58 called Mercedona, and they would go
1:05:00 between seven and eight p.m.
1:05:01 – Oh, shit.
1:05:04 – And girls at our guys would take a pineapple
1:05:06 from the fruit section, turn it upside-down,
1:05:09 put it in their cart, and then they would hang out
1:05:11 in the wine section.
1:05:12 – Oh.
1:05:14 – And other people would come into the wine section
1:05:15 and be like, oh, I see the pineapple.
1:05:18 They want a date, they’re looking for a date,
1:05:21 and they would bump carts, and be like, oh, excuse me.
1:05:22 And if there was some connection,
1:05:24 they’d be like, yeah, let’s go get dinner,
1:05:26 go get drinks.
1:05:28 – Weird. – Yeah, right?
1:05:33 But it’s also fucking cool, you get you outside, right?
1:05:35 You’re not on your phone, it’s not a dating app
1:05:36 where you’re just fucking going through Tinder
1:05:38 and being like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, I guess this guy
1:05:40 or I guess this guy. – Right, right, right.
1:05:41 – Like, you’re out, you can also–
1:05:44 – ‘Cause the Whole Foods has kind of been that way, too.
1:05:44 – Really?
1:05:47 – I mean, like, if you go to Whole Foods, you’re just like–
1:05:47 – Whole Foods?
1:05:48 – No, I mean, like–
1:05:49 – Is a dating place?
1:05:51 – It’s the thing where people pick people up.
1:05:52 Like, they go to Whole Foods and they’re like,
1:05:53 oh, you’re even getting macaroni.
1:05:55 Like, they do shit, like, people,
1:05:57 you’ve tried to get a Whole Foods?
1:05:58 – I like macaroni.
1:06:00 – Have you ever dated a Whole Foods?
1:06:01 – Have you ever dated a Whole Foods?
1:06:04 – I’ve been in propositions, kind of.
1:06:04 – See?
1:06:07 But Glenn is exactly what people would want
1:06:09 in a Whole Foods, you know what I mean?
1:06:11 Like, if you’re going to Whole Foods to pick up a guy,
1:06:12 that’s the guy.
1:06:14 – For sure, ’cause he loves the vegan food.
1:06:15 – Yeah.
1:06:16 – Are you still vegan?
1:06:16 – He’s got allergy.
1:06:17 Let’s rock.
1:06:18 – You’re not vegan anymore?
1:06:19 – I don’t know.
1:06:20 – (gasps)
1:06:21 – I mean, I didn’t even know you were vegan.
1:06:22 – Are you kidding me?
1:06:24 He was vegan for, like, freaking 50 years.
1:06:26 We used to try and, like, bet him to eat meat.
1:06:28 – Oh, I do remember that.
1:06:29 I do remember that.
1:06:30 – Do you eat steak now?
1:06:34 – I’ll, I mean, I have to be really picky with what I eat
1:06:36 because it impacts me the next day.
1:06:37 – ‘Cause you feel it for a while.
1:06:38 – Yeah, I’m interested.
1:06:39 – Even emotionally.
1:06:40 – Interesting.
1:06:41 – Like, you–
1:06:43 – Like, you feel bad from–
1:06:45 – It’s probably the next day, you know.
1:06:49 No, if I eat something that is, like, factory,
1:06:53 it’s not as much with chicken as it is with beef.
1:06:54 – Yeah. – Interesting.
1:06:55 – So, like, you want clean meat.
1:06:57 – So, you find, like, grass-fed from local source.
1:07:00 – Like, a good slice of cocaine shark.
1:07:01 – Yeah.
1:07:02 – It would be great.
1:07:05 – But that, you know, it was harvested humanely,
1:07:07 using only the highest quality cocaine holes.
1:07:10 (laughing)
1:07:11 – Tim, ties them in.
1:07:11 – Ties them in?
1:07:12 – Oh, you want some shanks?
1:07:13 – Oh, I want some.
1:07:15 – That stuff’s delicious.
1:07:16 – Oh, yeah, you have some more.
1:07:17 Have some more, Glenn.
1:07:18 – Oh, yeah, thank you.
1:07:19 – In a problem.
1:07:21 All right, so, the interesting pineapple thing,
1:07:23 I’ll have to try, I don’t know how to–
1:07:24 – Yeah, so it became–
1:07:24 (laughing)
1:07:26 – Oh, I’d have to try that.
1:07:27 Thanks for everything, Sam!
1:07:27 – I didn’t even–
1:07:28 (laughing)
1:07:29 – I didn’t mean–
1:07:30 – Just went, like–
1:07:31 – That’s an interesting story.
1:07:32 – I have to go watch that.
1:07:33 – I want to experiment with that.
1:07:36 I will see what my upside-down pineapple brings.
1:07:37 – You know what’s kind of funny?
1:07:39 You just do it, just be like–
1:07:40 – No, no, because then people will come up.
1:07:41 That’s like the most likely.
1:07:42 – No, but then you just like,
1:07:44 “Hi,” and you throw it back.
1:07:46 – Yeah, you’re like, “I’m just here for pineapples.”
1:07:47 (laughing)
1:07:49 Ma’am, could you please leave?
1:07:50 I’m just here for pineapples.
1:07:51 – Here, Glenn, take this,
1:07:53 and you can have a little bit of a little taster’s.
1:07:54 – Yeah, this is delicious.
1:07:56 – All right, last story.
1:07:57 It’s gotta be about Japan.
1:07:58 And when you talk about Japan–
1:07:59 – Oh, I got one after you,
1:08:00 but go ahead, talk about Japan.
1:08:04 – Okay, second to last penultimate story.
1:08:06 Sometimes the things that I say.
1:08:08 You ready for this?
1:08:13 So first off, we all know Japan has a work ethic
1:08:15 that is very singular.
1:08:16 – Insane.
1:08:16 – It’s very specific.
1:08:20 By the way, one of my favorite Michael Keaton movies
1:08:23 from the ’80s was “Gung Ho” with Geddy Watanabe.
1:08:24 Fucking love that movie.
1:08:26 I should actually watch that movie again.
1:08:27 It’s been so long.
1:08:28 And it was all about,
1:08:29 ’cause remember in the ’80s, it was all like,
1:08:32 “Oh, the Japanese are coming to take our jobs.”
1:08:34 You know what I mean?
1:08:39 So it turns out that even now,
1:08:44 the 12-hour workday is like norm.
1:08:46 Like, if you get a job, nine to nine.
1:08:49 That’s like minimum, minimum.
1:08:49 – Holy shit.
1:08:52 – So working in Japan is still like fucking crazy.
1:08:53 And there’s this whole hierarchy.
1:08:54 – They call it the salaryman.
1:08:55 – Yeah, the salaryman.
1:08:56 Do you remember when we went to Japan?
1:08:57 You remember that table next to us
1:09:00 with that dude who was like fucking literally passed out?
1:09:01 – I’ve been back like 20 times
1:09:02 as we went to that trip.
1:09:05 And I’ve seen a lot of salarymen get hammed.
1:09:08 They go ham. – Yeah, I’ve heard.
1:09:11 – Well, one of the things that I find completely crazy
1:09:14 is that sometimes, enough times
1:09:17 that there’s now an industry around this,
1:09:21 people will literally go and like tender their resignation.
1:09:23 And the boss will just be like, “Fuck you.”
1:09:26 No, rip it up and be like, “Fuck you, bubble.”
1:09:28 And just hound them, go to their house.
1:09:29 – What?
1:09:33 – Will not let them quit their job.
1:09:37 Like to the point where there are now companies
1:09:42 that have started that will help you quit your job.
1:09:43 – What the fuck?
1:09:44 – Yeah, and by the way,
1:09:48 the people that come to the, like help me quit my job,
1:09:51 it’s the third time they’re trying to quit their job.
1:09:54 Like it’s like the ultimate gaslighting.
1:09:57 Like the boss just doesn’t let them quit their job.
1:10:00 And they’re like, “What the fuck do I do?”
1:10:03 The guys like follows them home.
1:10:05 And will like not let them quit.
1:10:07 What do you do?
1:10:08 – Respect.
1:10:11 – Dude, it’s literally like, you know, like when a kid,
1:10:12 when you’re like, a kid is just like,
1:10:13 you’re like, “You got to do this.”
1:10:15 And the kid’s like, “No, I’m not going to do it.”
1:10:17 – It’s like an angry dad.
1:10:19 You get back on the football field.
1:10:20 I don’t care what.
1:10:21 Yeah, it’s like–
1:10:22 – And if you stop, you’re like,
1:10:24 “I’m not going to get back on the football field.”
1:10:27 It’s like, I don’t know what I can do to follow up with that.
1:10:28 – Right.
1:10:30 – So literally the employers are just like,
1:10:32 I don’t know because they’re worried about
1:10:37 the employer squirreling them for any other job.
1:10:39 – Interesting.
1:10:40 – They’re worried about,
1:10:41 there’s this whole sort of hierarchy,
1:10:43 which I really do think is great.
1:10:46 And we could use a little bit of it of like the sort of like,
1:10:47 you know–
1:10:48 – How about work?
1:10:50 – Respect to your elders and respect
1:10:51 to the people who work above you.
1:10:53 – And also just work in general.
1:10:54 – And work in general.
1:10:55 Yeah, it’s a little loose of goosey here,
1:10:57 which is great because it gives us, you know,
1:10:58 a lot of heads up.
1:11:00 And you can quit if you want to quit.
1:11:01 But how crazy is this?
1:11:04 So there’s now like a handful of companies in Japan
1:11:09 who’s literally their job is to help you quit your job.
1:11:12 And they pay them to help them quit their job.
1:11:13 – I feel like a lot of people have this problem though,
1:11:15 where it’s like, you can’t,
1:11:16 and this is something that I’ve learned,
1:11:19 I need to get better at as like boundaries
1:11:24 with like either, you know, professionally or personally.
1:11:25 Right?
1:11:26 Like that circumcised guy.
1:11:27 – He needs boundaries.
1:11:28 – He needs boundaries.
1:11:29 – Yeah, I got that.
1:11:30 You know what I mean?
1:11:31 – That is very clear.
1:11:32 – Yeah, yeah.
1:11:33 So like there’s like, there’s,
1:11:35 I get why this should exist.
1:11:35 It makes sense to me.
1:11:38 – I had a girlfriend that wouldn’t let me, like I,
1:11:39 – Quit?
1:11:40 – She wouldn’t let you quit?
1:11:40 – She was like, no.
1:11:41 – Oh.
1:11:42 – Did she follow you?
1:11:44 – She said no.
1:11:45 – And then what did you do go?
1:11:46 – You had to, you had to go with her then.
1:11:48 – Are you guys married now?
1:11:49 (laughs)
1:11:51 – If she says no Glenn, you can’t break up.
1:11:53 – No, it’s the power move.
1:11:57 It’s literally UNO Reverso of relationships.
1:12:01 – How much longer did it last?
1:12:02 – I ended up moving.
1:12:04 – He moved.
1:12:06 – You’re like, well, if I’m not in this city
1:12:09 or this state, you can’t be married.
1:12:09 – You know what?
1:12:10 – Oh my God, that’s amazing.
1:12:11 – If all its fails,
1:12:13 you just fucking moved to another state.
1:12:15 – By the way, any of these people could move to Korea.
1:12:17 – That’s why he used to be in San Francisco now he’s here.
1:12:18 – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:12:20 He’s like, I’m going to break up with you now.
1:12:21 Okay, cool.
1:12:22 – All right.
1:12:23 – See you tomorrow.
1:12:25 – All right, moving to Los Angeles.
1:12:26 – Last story, last story, last story.
1:12:27 Okay.
1:12:29 So AI.
1:12:34 So our next interaction is here and involved.
1:12:35 – That was weird.
1:12:37 The AI just responded to me.
1:12:40 So AI amplifies false memories.
1:12:41 – Ooh, I saw the title of this.
1:12:42 I want to know what it was.
1:12:47 – So this is fascinating because we are entering a world
1:12:50 where we’re not going to be able to understand
1:12:53 what is real and what is made up obviously.
1:12:55 We’re going to have a lot of that.
1:12:58 But also, and this is where I really get upset
1:13:01 with the new Google phone, which I don’t like at all.
1:13:06 Google has added some features to the new phone
1:13:09 that let me give an example.
1:13:12 Let’s say Glenn takes a picture of us sitting here, right?
1:13:15 And he wants to be in the photo, okay?
1:13:17 There is literally in the Photos app right now,
1:13:20 you can say add a picture, add a person,
1:13:24 and he can go and sit down, you can get up, take a photo,
1:13:26 and now the three of us are sitting next to each other.
1:13:29 But that moment technically never happened.
1:13:31 – And then they got the magic eraser shit
1:13:33 where you’re going to erase people out of the background.
1:13:34 – So we talked about this shit.
1:13:39 – So here’s why it’s even worse than that.
1:13:41 So I think we talked about this on Dignation
1:13:43 way back in the day.
1:13:47 There was a study that was done where they took photos
1:13:51 and photoshopped people in places that they’ve never been.
1:13:53 And they talked people through like,
1:13:55 oh, well, when you were in Paris,
1:13:56 and they were like, well, I’ve never been to Paris.
1:13:58 And we’re like, no, no, you went to Paris in 2012.
1:13:59 – Right. – Well, a lot.
1:14:01 It was like, no, I’ve never been to Paris.
1:14:02 And they showed them pictures
1:14:07 and they would not only start to remember being in Paris,
1:14:11 they would start telling stories to the person
1:14:13 about being in Paris. – Yes.
1:14:15 – And the memories of being in Paris.
1:14:16 – They’re making it up.
1:14:18 – And it’s all just happens
1:14:20 because that’s how our brains and memories is.
1:14:24 So the fact that now AI is going to be generating
1:14:26 these images and experiences
1:14:28 that you would never have actually happened,
1:14:30 people are totally gonna be thinking that that happened.
1:14:32 – And you’re erasing people out of your history.
1:14:34 You’re removing people from the background.
1:14:35 I just don’t like it.
1:14:36 And also check this out.
1:14:40 Last one, this is after seeing this,
1:14:42 I’m starting to think that AI should be regulated.
1:14:43 Look at this video.
1:14:44 – Oh my God.
1:14:52 Oh, my Lord.
1:14:54 – I mean, Elon looks pretty good there.
1:14:56 He looks like he’s having a great time with his.
1:14:56 – Look at Zach.
1:14:57 Oh, yeah.
1:15:00 Oh, the Obama, the drone.
1:15:02 Man, you love that shit.
1:15:05 That drone action. – Oh my God.
1:15:08 – Yeah.
1:15:11 Oh.
1:15:13 – Is that Kamala and Obama?
1:15:14 I couldn’t tell.
1:15:15 – They could put it on the horse.
1:15:16 Oh, the rocket.
1:15:17 – Kim Jong-un.
1:15:22 Dude, this is.
1:15:25 – That’s amazing.
1:15:27 – Yeah.
1:15:32 – Kolei, did you make this?
1:15:34 – Here’s the thing.
1:15:35 Here’s the thing.
1:15:36 Here’s the thing.
1:15:37 A, yes.
1:15:41 It’s literally like “Wag the Dog.”
1:15:43 Do you remember the movie “Wag the Dog”?
1:15:44 – I don’t.
1:15:46 – So it literally is about them,
1:15:51 about the government creating a fake war.
1:15:53 – Yeah.
1:15:57 – To, like, there’s some, like, you know,
1:16:00 whatever governmental, like, affair.
1:16:01 Like, there was something happening.
1:16:04 They were like, we need the American people to be, like,
1:16:05 thinking about something else.
1:16:07 And so they hired this Hollywood producer
1:16:09 to put on a war.
1:16:11 And they, like, invented this conflict between two people
1:16:12 and they, like, shot all this, like,
1:16:13 footage on green screen.
1:16:15 – Like the moon landing.
1:16:17 – Not like the moon landing, Kevin.
1:16:18 Jesus.
1:16:20 Did you, you met Buzz Aldrin at my 30th birthday?
1:16:22 – Yeah, yeah, he’s great.
1:16:23 – He definitely would punch you in the face,
1:16:24 if you thought.
1:16:26 – He’s deceased now.
1:16:27 – What?
1:16:28 – He’s dead.
1:16:29 – But did Buzz die?
1:16:30 – Are you kidding me?
1:16:33 Is it your birthday party, dude?
1:16:34 – What?
1:16:36 – Yeah, he’s dead.
1:16:37 No, he’s not.
1:16:38 – Fucking hell, dude.
1:16:40 I was like, I was like, I was like,
1:16:42 I would know, I feel like that would be information
1:16:44 that was disseminated to me, you fucker.
1:16:45 – Sorry.
1:16:47 – He’s dead now.
1:16:48 What?
1:16:49 Fuck.
1:16:50 – Okay, now look at this.
1:16:51 – You’re good for Buzz.
1:16:53 – Oh my God, you just gave me a buzz.
1:16:55 Jesus, Kevin.
1:16:56 – Okay, sorry, sorry.
1:16:57 – He’s dead now.
1:16:59 – I thought you said the AI told me that.
1:17:00 – AI did tell you that.
1:17:01 – Okay.
1:17:03 – Anyway, long story short, that’s the type of stuff.
1:17:06 The one thing that I will say, the one good thing is,
1:17:09 if I saw a video, even if it was less like,
1:17:11 cheesy and like artsy as that.
1:17:12 – Yeah.
1:17:13 – Of Putin being like, gay people are cool.
1:17:15 I’d be like, wow, that’s AI.
1:17:16 You know what I mean?
1:17:20 There’s a certain part now where, hopefully,
1:17:22 people will look at the content that you’re seeing.
1:17:24 – Yeah, but five years from now, dude,
1:17:26 it could be way different.
1:17:27 I think that’s six months from now.
1:17:28 – Yeah, but think about it.
1:17:30 But if six months from now,
1:17:33 half the shit that you see is fake, right?
1:17:36 You’re gonna start to go, it’s probably fake, right?
1:17:38 Like, that’s the thing is, it’s like,
1:17:40 but then you get to the check cashing people
1:17:41 and you’re just like, hmm,
1:17:42 are they really gonna think about that?
1:17:44 That’s my biggest, that’s not my biggest fear,
1:17:48 but a fear that I have about the world writ large
1:17:52 is when people who are at the point
1:17:56 where they could believe all of these conspiracy theories
1:18:01 get to a point where they start believing things
1:18:04 that would cause them to be violent
1:18:06 or cause them to really lash out.
1:18:07 – Well, I mean, it’s already happened,
1:18:09 even with just some rats and shit.
1:18:12 – Yeah, dude, it’s the fucking Wild West.
1:18:16 But also, I go back to great movie,
1:18:19 really good book, No Country for Old Men.
1:18:22 There is something to be said about the fact of
1:18:24 is it really the worst time in human history
1:18:28 or is it because we are over 40?
1:18:30 (laughing)
1:18:33 – That’s a great way to end the show.
1:18:34 – No, but it’s because like,
1:18:37 the whole thing of No Country for Old Men is
1:18:41 it’s that the world always seems like it is worse
1:18:43 than it has ever been. – No.
1:18:44 – Too older men. – Hey, listen,
1:18:47 I was gonna tell you, in the last week,
1:18:51 I heard about a mRNA vaccine came out for lung cancer
1:18:54 that looks really promising to cure lung cancer.
1:18:55 – That’s fucking huge.
1:18:58 – Like, there’s a bunch of really good shit coming out.
1:19:00 So I’m not all doomsday, but like,
1:19:02 you’re right in that we’re gonna have to have
1:19:05 a readjustment of society’s like belief system.
1:19:06 – 100%.
1:19:07 – And understanding whether or not
1:19:09 they should trust something immediately or not.
1:19:12 – Yeah, ’cause at this point, I think it’s very clear.
1:19:13 – It’s very clear.
1:19:15 – And by the way, I think that’s what has really
1:19:18 sort of caused this big schism in the United States
1:19:21 is this whole concept of people believing stuff
1:19:23 that they hear whether, you know–
1:19:26 – Listen to this, I had a buddy get his phone hacked, okay?
1:19:27 – Oh.
1:19:30 – And he got all his photos leaked out there, like, you know?
1:19:31 – Yeah.
1:19:33 – And like, there’s definitely some like dick pics and shit
1:19:35 and like stuff with his like significant other.
1:19:36 – Oh, no.
1:19:37 – But it’ll be just the thing.
1:19:38 – Why would you put that on your phone?
1:19:39 – Everybody has a phone.
1:19:40 You’re gonna have to have a phone.
1:19:41 – No, fuck no, dude.
1:19:42 – I’ve got a lot of shit on my phone.
1:19:45 – I’m a fucking, I am a fucking lockbox.
1:19:46 – You don’t have anything that I’ve ever been like.
1:19:47 – Nope.
1:19:49 I mean, I do, but not on my fucking phone.
1:19:51 – What do you, on your computer?
1:19:53 – On places that are secure.
1:19:54 – What’s secure?
1:19:55 – Everything.
1:19:56 – No.
1:19:57 (laughing)
1:20:00 You put my external USB sticks and shit for that shit?
1:20:02 – I don’t know what I’m gonna say or not say,
1:20:05 but long story short, somebody can have my phone
1:20:06 and they’re not gonna get dick pics.
1:20:07 – Oh, well, I got lots of shit on my phone.
1:20:11 Anyway, but my point is that if you get hacked,
1:20:14 my buddy was like, “Line is billions of AI,” you know?
1:20:15 – I mean, that’s true.
1:20:16 – That’s true.
1:20:17 – That’s actually literally true.
1:20:20 Actually, if he was smart, what do you do?
1:20:21 – Pre-release AI.
1:20:24 – No, you would go use AI to generate a bunch of like
1:20:25 – dick pics.
1:20:26 – And him fucking.
1:20:27 – Release him.
1:20:28 – Release him.
1:20:29 Just release him.
1:20:30 – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:20:31 – Just release him.
1:20:32 – Just make himself well endowed.
1:20:33 – Yes.
1:20:34 – And then when people see the other ones,
1:20:35 they’ll be like, “Oh, those are fakes.”
1:20:36 – Those must be fakes.
1:20:37 – Exactly.
1:20:38 – That guy doesn’t have a 26.
1:20:39 – Exactly.
1:20:40 – Yeah.
1:20:41 – Yeah.
1:20:42 – All right.
1:20:43 – Good times.
1:20:44 – That has been this episode of Dignation.
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1:20:52 Glenn, great to have you here.
1:20:53 – Oh, my God.
1:20:55 – And Glenn is gonna fire up the drone
1:20:58 and do a 360 fly around us.
1:20:59 – He’s been drinking champagne.
1:21:01 – Champagne and mushrooms.
1:21:02 – Holy fuck.
1:21:04 – So there it is.
1:21:05 Come closer.
1:21:06 – No.
1:21:07 – No.
1:21:08 – My teeth.
1:21:09 – You can get close, but he hasn’t been drinking.
1:21:10 – Oh, my God.
1:21:11 It’s actually really nice.
1:21:12 – It feels good.
1:21:13 The air.
1:21:14 – It feels good.
1:21:17 – He’s really good.
1:21:18 – He’s great.
1:21:19 – He’s great.
1:21:21 Better than you trying to land the helicopter in my head.
1:21:23 – I mean, yeah, but if I had fucking VR
1:21:25 and I could actually, like, see what I was doing.
1:21:26 – Look at that.
1:21:27 He’s a pro.
1:21:28 – This is amazing.
1:21:29 – I know.
1:21:30 – We should pay him.
1:21:31 – I know.
1:21:32 How much do you charge?
1:21:33 You can’t hear us.
1:21:34 He’s loud.
1:21:35 – Okay.
1:21:36 – All right.
1:21:37 Until next time.
1:21:38 Take care of yourselves.
1:21:39 Get circumcised.
1:21:40 – No, don’t.
1:21:41 – Don’t do it.
1:21:42 – You don’t have to do it later.
1:21:43 – You don’t have to do it later.