Kevin & Alex Reminisce Diggnation History

0:00:02 How’s everything been? How’s your family been? How’s life been?
0:00:04 People are gonna wonder, like, “What’s Alex been up to?”
0:00:06 – God, yeah! – Please welcome back to the show
0:00:08 Kevin Rose and Alex–
0:00:10 – ♪ La-la-la-la-la ♪ – Watch the floor.
0:00:13 – Oh, fuck me, help me! – We probably encouraged
0:00:15 an entire generation to drink way too much.
0:00:18 – I mean, yes. (laughs)
0:00:21 – I didn’t realize I couldn’t be like, “Hey, hi, everybody.”
0:00:24 – We were backstage, and it was, like, 3,000 seats,
0:00:27 and they were all filled in this big British guy
0:00:29 who’s, like, the security guard. – Yeah.
0:00:31 – He’s, like, “What are these guys doing here?”
0:00:32 And we were, like, “We do the show.”
0:00:34 And he goes, “They’re just here for the beer.”
0:00:36 And we were, like, “Okay, dude, just chill.”
0:00:38 And that’s when we finished the show.
0:00:42 So all 3,000 people start getting onto this platform.
0:00:44 The giant security guard grabs both of us,
0:00:46 and he was, like, “You are serious?
0:00:47 They were here for you!”
0:00:49 And we were, like, “Yeah, dude!” – For a photo.
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0:03:34 – Remember back in the day
0:03:36 when we would have to work around the holidays,
0:03:38 we’d like try to figure out how to like gang shoot.
0:03:39 – Gang shoot?
0:03:41 – Gang shoot, where you shoot four episodes in a row.
0:03:42 – Oh yeah, ’cause we had to like bang ’em out.
0:03:45 – Yeah, so we figured this out with half hour happy hour,
0:03:47 where we were like, shit, ’cause we were doing once a week,
0:03:50 and we were like, well, what do we do for like the holidays?
0:03:52 And so we came up with this concept
0:03:53 called the 12 Days of Drunks Miss.
0:03:57 And so what we did was we shot a day
0:04:00 and got so drunk because we would have guests come in
0:04:03 and we shot 12 45-minute episodes back-to-back.
0:04:04 – And by the time you’re done,
0:04:05 yeah, it’s like all just blurry.
0:04:06 – It was bad.
0:04:08 – I mean, we had some dignitaries that were like that.
0:04:10 – All of them were like that, for the most part.
0:04:13 Any live one was just, I don’t remember most of them.
0:04:14 I mean, Reno, come on.
0:04:19 That was by far my worst alcohol experience
0:04:21 of my entire life.
0:04:22 – Really?
0:04:23 – Oh, dude, dude.
0:04:25 I can’t even watch the Reno episode.
0:04:28 – I remember taking you to the bathroom.
0:04:29 – And it was all the way down the thing.
0:04:30 – And I took you down the thing,
0:04:32 and then you threw up immediately after the episode.
0:04:33 – 100%, oh, 100%.
0:04:35 I stood up and fell down.
0:04:36 – Oh, Prager’s here, by the way.
0:04:37 – Yeah, hi, Prager.
0:04:39 I mean, I know we haven’t started the show, but.
0:04:42 – Yeah, I’m just having some champagne to start.
0:04:43 We did get some penultimate as well,
0:04:44 for Alex to have a little bit.
0:04:46 – And by the way, thank you very much for allowing me
0:04:48 to have some of your fancy wine.
0:04:49 – Well, this is gonna be good.
0:04:50 I’m gonna try some of that when we actually.
0:04:51 – It’s already.
0:04:52 – Is it good?
0:04:53 – Yeah.
0:04:53 – It’s amazing.
0:04:54 – It’s amazing.
0:04:56 – So, Reno was the most hardcore.
0:04:59 I remember specifically, do you remember
0:05:01 that there was this chick that was hitting on you there?
0:05:04 – I don’t remember any of the end of, here’s the thing.
0:05:07 After we did that episode, after we did,
0:05:11 I mean, weeks after, I finally tried to watch it.
0:05:16 And the first line of speaking out of my mouth
0:05:20 was so slurred and drunk.
0:05:22 And then we had an hour show to do.
0:05:23 – Did we start early?
0:05:24 I don’t remember. – Of course we did.
0:05:26 Remember, we got there and they were giving us
0:05:27 those fruit bowls with like,
0:05:29 remember with like two, three straws
0:05:31 and everybody’s taking shots and we were like,
0:05:32 this is so fun.
0:05:34 ‘Cause they were huge fans, so they just got us ripped.
0:05:35 – That’s right.
0:05:37 – And then people started sending us stuff during the show.
0:05:38 – Okay, there’s been a few times
0:05:40 where fans have been very generous.
0:05:43 – And they sent us– – Which I appreciate.
0:05:44 I always have and I always will.
0:05:45 (laughing)
0:05:47 – They would send us shots and be like,
0:05:50 dude, we love you guys, here’s some Yeager or whatever.
0:05:52 – And they always sent Yeager.
0:05:53 – Yeah, it was always Yeager.
0:05:54 I just like, thank you.
0:05:56 And back then I felt like, yeah, I had to do it.
0:05:57 – I mean, back then we did.
0:05:59 – And they did it too.
0:06:00 – Yeah.
0:06:02 – But they did one with us and then we got
0:06:04 seven people come out. – That’s right, right, yeah.
0:06:06 – Oh, I do, I don’t remember.
0:06:10 Quick cloud of thoughts that I remember from Reno.
0:06:13 I remember standing up and falling to the ground.
0:06:14 – I remember you fell immediately.
0:06:17 – In front of everybody that was there
0:06:18 at the bar for the live show.
0:06:19 – They loved it, they loved it.
0:06:20 – Of course, I mean, part of it was,
0:06:23 there’s no world in which I added any flavor on it
0:06:24 for comedy purposes.
0:06:28 I literally just stood up and fell to the ground.
0:06:33 Then I remember taking pictures with some fans.
0:06:36 – Please, if you have those pictures, send them in.
0:06:39 – Oh, God, oh, I have like a whole folder called Reno.
0:06:41 – And it’s all photos of us just like…
0:06:47 Then I remember saying, I need to go to the bathroom.
0:06:48 – Right, I remember I had to help you.
0:06:49 You were like bathroom.
0:06:51 – I was like, I don’t know where I am.
0:06:53 And it wasn’t anywhere near where we were.
0:06:55 – No, it was one walk. – And it was through the casino.
0:07:00 And I just remember following you and serpentine.
0:07:02 – There was probably a closer bathroom.
0:07:03 I was hammered too.
0:07:06 – I was literally the blind leading the blind.
0:07:08 I don’t know why I chose you of all people.
0:07:13 – And I got to the bathroom, threw up and then made it back,
0:07:15 got some like my stuff, I guess.
0:07:17 And then I went back to the hotel room.
0:07:19 I remember having shrimp cocktail.
0:07:20 – I remember that phone call.
0:07:24 I remember I was on the floor in my hotel bathroom.
0:07:26 – I called. – Hugging the toilet.
0:07:26 My phone rings.
0:07:30 The hotel had a bathroom phone for emergencies, I’m guessing.
0:07:32 I grabbed it, I picked it up.
0:07:33 And I just remember… – What type of works?
0:07:35 It’s like you have the bathroom phone.
0:07:37 – I’m lying on the ground and I have the phone.
0:07:38 And I just remember you going,
0:07:41 “Dude, we got to order the shrimp cocktail.
0:07:44 I’m having the best shrimp cocktail I’ve ever had in my life.”
0:07:45 – It was so good.
0:07:47 – I was like, “I’m on the ground.
0:07:48 I got my hand with it.”
0:07:49 You’re like, “Oh, okay.”
0:07:51 – And I think we had to go to the snowboarding thing
0:07:52 the next day.
0:07:53 – Yeah, it was brutal.
0:07:55 And I remember we were getting those big punch bowls
0:07:56 with the straws.
0:07:58 There was this one really attractive girl.
0:08:00 And I know you had Heather at the time, you were dating.
0:08:02 – Yeah, ’cause I remember talking to her the next morning
0:08:04 and she thought I was cheating on her that day.
0:08:07 – I mean, this girl wanted some albrecht.
0:08:09 – I literally don’t remember any of that.
0:08:12 I appreciate that there was some albrecht want,
0:08:16 but I was in no capacity to even know what was happening.
0:08:17 – There’s no amount of like,
0:08:19 Cialis that could have resurrected you.
0:08:21 – Oh no, I was literally on the floor, I get you.
0:08:24 But I do not recall that there was a lady of,
0:08:25 there was a lady of interest targeting.
0:08:26 – Yes.
0:08:27 – Yeah, that did not.
0:08:28 – She did not care that you had a girlfriend.
0:08:31 – I wasn’t conscious enough to even know
0:08:32 that that was happening.
0:08:33 – It was fun times.
0:08:34 – You know, the one time,
0:08:37 my biggest hangover was actually our last episode.
0:08:38 – Really?
0:08:39 – Yes.
0:08:42 – I drank so much that, and this is,
0:08:45 we probably encouraged an entire generation
0:08:46 to drink way too much.
0:08:48 – I mean, yes.
0:08:49 (laughing)
0:08:51 – There are some fault on our shoulders, but–
0:08:52 – If you’re watching this and you’re like,
0:08:55 I’m an alcoholic, I’m the cause of you.
0:08:59 – Don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t, follow us on Instagram.
0:09:01 – I will say that after that episode,
0:09:03 I had never done what was called,
0:09:06 like when you do the chasing the hair of the dog.
0:09:08 – Yeah, I’m not the hair of the dog guy either.
0:09:10 – But I woke up so bad.
0:09:13 My head was hurting like it had never hurt before,
0:09:16 and I picked up the phone, and it’s like a room service.
0:09:17 This was like 8 a.m. or something like that.
0:09:18 – Yeah, ’cause we were in LA.
0:09:20 – Dari was with me, and I go,
0:09:25 I need two Bloody Mary’s doubles, ’cause she was hurting too.
0:09:26 And I had never done this before,
0:09:28 and the guy on the phone is like,
0:09:31 I’m not sure we can serve alcohol at this hour.
0:09:32 And he’s like, let me–
0:09:33 – Buddy, yes, you can.
0:09:33 – He’s like, let me check.
0:09:36 And I’m like, you got me, but it was the only thing
0:09:39 I could do to get through that morning,
0:09:40 ’cause I was hurting so bad.
0:09:44 – So, I had a very weird thing,
0:09:48 which was I had to wake up the next morning
0:09:51 and get in a car and drive to Redding, California.
0:09:52 – That’s where I was born.
0:09:53 – Yeah, I know, I know.
0:09:58 I had to drive up to Shasta Mountain in its long drive,
0:09:59 and so–
0:10:00 – That’s a long drive.
0:10:03 – It was a long drive, and I was beyond it.
0:10:04 I mean, we both were just out there,
0:10:05 ’cause it was like–
0:10:06 – Not while you were driving.
0:10:07 – Friends and family, no, no, no.
0:10:08 This is like the night before, right?
0:10:09 It’s like friends and family,
0:10:11 and it was just great, and fans,
0:10:13 and it was such a joyous atmosphere,
0:10:16 and just drinking, drinking, drinking.
0:10:19 And we got into the car, and I turned to Heather,
0:10:22 and I said, you need to take me to McDonald’s.
0:10:23 And she was like, what?
0:10:25 And I was like, take me to the drive through McDonald’s.
0:10:28 I got two filet-of-fish, and two cheeseburgers.
0:10:30 – Oh, the filet-of-fish are the worst, dude.
0:10:32 – Not for hangovers, because guess what?
0:10:36 I was out of bed, 6.30 in the morning,
0:10:37 shippers can be, and I was like,
0:10:39 oh my God, it’s the magic of McDonald’s.
0:10:40 – Yeah, oh yeah.
0:10:42 The only time I would clutch McDonald’s
0:10:43 would be at the big muffin. – Oh, I haven’t had McDonald’s
0:10:46 in years. – Yeah, exactly.
0:10:47 – I was in Italy.
0:10:49 We went to Florence, we were super fun.
0:10:51 Recently, yeah, like a couple of weeks ago.
0:10:54 I thought I was gonna love the food in Tuscany.
0:10:55 I was so excited, because we’d been to Rome,
0:10:57 we’d been to Postano, and done the Mediterranean stuff,
0:10:59 which was awesome.
0:11:02 And I was like, Tuscany, and wine,
0:11:04 the countryside, and all this stuff.
0:11:07 Bro, they do not cook their meat.
0:11:09 They just don’t cook their meat.
0:11:10 – Meaning like it was like raw.
0:11:12 – Yes, meaning it was like raw.
0:11:14 – Why do you, oh, you always like your steak’s done.
0:11:16 – Because I love, well, not done, done.
0:11:17 And that’s the thing, I was like–
0:11:18 – You’re not a medium rare guy, though.
0:11:19 You’re more of a medium guy.
0:11:21 – I’m more medium rare.
0:11:23 Heather’s more medium.
0:11:24 – You started to get more medium rare.
0:11:25 – Yep, I got there.
0:11:27 So then I was like, oh, we’re, you know, Florence.
0:11:29 This is a plate Tuscan beef, you know, beef florentine.
0:11:30 – Yeah.
0:11:30 – Beef steak florentine.
0:11:31 I want some of this stuff.
0:11:32 – They got some beef carpaccio.
0:11:33 You had some–
0:11:35 – Well, we had come from Serbia.
0:11:37 – Right, which I don’t know why you went to Serbia.
0:11:39 – Well, so Buddy of Mine was making a movie in Serbia.
0:11:41 He’s made a couple of movies there in Serbia,
0:11:43 and he was, and we’re working on putting some movies together.
0:11:44 And so he was like, you gotta come to Serbia.
0:11:46 You gotta see, and it really is true.
0:11:48 Serbia’s great for making movies.
0:11:50 And they have a bunch of movies that there was a big elbow
0:11:51 movie that just went through there.
0:11:53 They just did this beautiful sound stages
0:11:54 that were just built.
0:11:57 The librarians reboot on CW just shot there.
0:11:59 It’s a place to go.
0:12:00 They don’t cook their meat.
0:12:01 – In Serbia.
0:12:02 – In Serbia.
0:12:05 I got a hamburger, I got a hamburger,
0:12:06 and my wife and I split it.
0:12:08 Heather and I split it.
0:12:10 It came, and I thought to myself, I went,
0:12:12 I should tell him to like cook it.
0:12:13 That thought came to my brain.
0:12:15 – You also don’t want to, like, remember when in Japan,
0:12:16 you don’t want to install like a local cult.
0:12:18 – 100%, 100%.
0:12:19 And I was like, it’s a hamburger.
0:12:20 It’s not a steak.
0:12:23 Who makes a raw hamburger?
0:12:24 Serbians do.
0:12:26 – Yeah, raw hamburgers are actually way more dangerous
0:12:27 ’cause it’s ground up bits of everything
0:12:29 versus like one big chunk of meat.
0:12:31 – And by the way, I took a bite from the edge
0:12:33 ’cause I was like, I’ll just get the edge
0:12:35 ’cause that has to be cooked, right?
0:12:36 It was like bag of knuckles.
0:12:40 It was like, remember when we had conk in Japan
0:12:41 and it just, it felt like–
0:12:42 – Was it the semen stuff?
0:12:44 – No, I don’t know what that is.
0:12:47 – No, we have like a sack of semen eggs or something.
0:12:47 There was like–
0:12:48 – I don’t remember the semen.
0:12:49 – You don’t remember that?
0:12:50 – I don’t remember the semen.
0:12:51 – It was that they called it small,
0:12:53 it translates into small white children.
0:12:55 – I don’t think so.
0:12:56 – I’m serious.
0:12:57 What’s that called?
0:12:58 – I don’t remember this.
0:13:00 Do you remember the conk that lays it?
0:13:02 – Oh, bring it for your sake.
0:13:03 – Yeah, that’s right.
0:13:04 – Prager, you remember that?
0:13:05 – We’re zooming, Prager.
0:13:06 – There was something that we tried.
0:13:07 I don’t think you tried it, but anyway.
0:13:08 – I mean, that does not surprise me.
0:13:09 – Yeah.
0:13:11 – But I did, but the conk where it was like chewy
0:13:13 in an uncomfortable way.
0:13:15 It was like, that feels like knuckles.
0:13:16 Like where I would assume a knuckle.
0:13:18 Yeah, like cartilage, yeah.
0:13:20 That’s what this burger felt like.
0:13:23 And I was just like, but then of course I felt bad.
0:13:23 It’s all we ordered.
0:13:25 I tried to nibble as much as I could.
0:13:27 So then we go to Tuscany.
0:13:30 So now I’m already sort of like, I don’t want raw food.
0:13:32 And I was a moron.
0:13:34 We went to Cortona, which is glorious.
0:13:35 Like Medieval City.
0:13:37 Do you remember Under the Tuscan Sun?
0:13:38 Movie Under the Tuscan Sun?
0:13:39 See it.
0:13:40 I know you’re not a big movie guy, but see it.
0:13:41 – I’ve done movies.
0:13:42 I’m doing a theater.
0:13:43 You saw the movie.
0:13:43 – I know, I saw that theater.
0:13:44 It’s great.
0:13:45 – Under the Tuscan Sun.
0:13:46 Gorgeous.
0:13:47 – The deal was great.
0:13:48 – They go to Cortona.
0:13:51 It’s like this medieval mountain town
0:13:52 or not like hilltop town.
0:13:53 Gorgeous.
0:13:55 I go, everything’s so cheap there.
0:13:56 They have a sliced steak.
0:13:58 So I was like, I’m going to get a sliced steak, you know,
0:13:59 whatever.
0:14:00 I know I keep ordering.
0:14:01 They have Wagyu.
0:14:03 A5 Japanese Wagyu.
0:14:04 40 euro.
0:14:05 – So 40 euros.
0:14:06 40 bucks?
0:14:07 – Of course I did.
0:14:08 I was like, this is the cheapest.
0:14:11 And the guy goes, just so you know, it’s Wagyu.
0:14:12 We can only serve it rare.
0:14:13 – Yeah, you used to-
0:14:14 – And in my mind I was like,
0:14:16 I’ve had seared Wagyu.
0:14:17 – Yeah.
0:14:18 – This would be great.
0:14:18 – Yeah.
0:14:21 – Bro, that shit did not touch a fire.
0:14:22 – It was just a sliced wagyu.
0:14:24 – That was just sliced raw.
0:14:26 Not even like carpaccio.
0:14:27 It was just-
0:14:28 – But there’s so much fat in that.
0:14:29 – Oh bro.
0:14:30 – That’s when you get that pastry fat.
0:14:32 – But again, I came from Serbia
0:14:34 eating knuckle sandwiches, literally.
0:14:36 – All right, where were we going with this though?
0:14:38 But how does it go back to the Ignatian?
0:14:40 We’re talking about the best Ignatian, the worst Ignatian.
0:14:43 – Hold on, we can get there.
0:14:44 This is like our senior moments.
0:14:46 – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:14:47 Well, we never tried to get back on
0:14:48 (laughing)
0:14:49 on the Ignatian.
0:14:50 Was it Japan?
0:14:51 – Okay, so we don’t go to Serbia.
0:14:52 Japan was amazing.
0:14:53 – We had-
0:14:55 – Oh, it was Tuscany, it was food.
0:14:56 – I had fun in Japan.
0:14:57 – Japan was awesome.
0:14:58 I mean, you had a lot of fun.
0:15:01 You had, what was it, 10 plus plus for something like that?
0:15:02 – What?
0:15:03 – The code, remember?
0:15:04 – What was the code?
0:15:05 – Do you remember?
0:15:07 – Not for public consumption, but there was a code.
0:15:09 Maybe you left early.
0:15:10 – I don’t know what you’re talking about.
0:15:11 – You left today early.
0:15:13 – Okay, I assume you’re saying that’s correct.
0:15:14 – This is correct.
0:15:17 So Prager and I, we stayed back.
0:15:20 – No, I had a friend out there that I met out there,
0:15:23 a female friend that was very nice.
0:15:26 – Yes, we were like, oh, you’re leaving tomorrow?
0:15:28 That’s crazy, we’re gonna stay for another day.
0:15:31 And we were like, but we wanna communicate
0:15:34 how fun your evening was.
0:15:36 – Oh, and I texted.
0:15:38 – Yeah, well, no, I think you left it somewhere.
0:15:41 And all we got was 10 plus plus.
0:15:43 And we just high-fived and said, that’s amazing.
0:15:44 That’s a great way to put it.
0:15:45 – I don’t remember.
0:15:46 I mean, I do remember certain things,
0:15:49 but like the Japanese people, that was so nice.
0:15:50 – What was the cock-takey?
0:15:52 – Cock-takey was a…
0:15:55 It mistranslated something for us.
0:15:58 – Well, there were a bunch of, so like the guy who–
0:16:00 – This was our first time in Japan, by the way.
0:16:01 – It was my only time in Japan.
0:16:02 – Okay, it was–
0:16:03 – I’ve yet to go back.
0:16:03 I fell in love with it.
0:16:05 I was like, I wanna go back so much.
0:16:06 – This was a long time ago.
0:16:07 – Long time ago.
0:16:08 – Yeah.
0:16:10 – You emailed me or texted me
0:16:13 because United was doing a special,
0:16:18 which was like $4.99 round-trip SFO or LAX to Tokyo.
0:16:21 – Yeah.
0:16:22 – And you just texted me–
0:16:23 – It was like economy or something.
0:16:24 – Yeah, yeah, sure.
0:16:25 But you just texted me and you were like,
0:16:27 dude, we gotta go to Japan, do a show.
0:16:29 We went on the show and we were like,
0:16:30 does anybody wanna help us go to Japan?
0:16:31 – Yeah.
0:16:35 – And what was the guy’s name who was working with Nick?
0:16:36 Who was a friend?
0:16:36 Do you remember his name?
0:16:38 – The American Monarchy.
0:16:40 – Yes, Numeric, yeah.
0:16:41 – No, but he went by something else.
0:16:43 He had like a nickname.
0:16:44 – He did have a nickname, however.
0:16:45 – Mm.
0:16:47 – He had an American nickname,
0:16:49 but he was the one who connected with us.
0:16:50 – No, I know.
0:16:51 Numeric, he was like–
0:16:52 – That was the reason we met that guy, Ron Richards,
0:16:55 because we got to Starwood and hooked up for free.
0:16:56 – Oh, that was through Ron?
0:16:58 – Ron, yeah, we helped us with that.
0:16:59 – Yeah, we got a nice hotel.
0:17:01 There was an earthquake there.
0:17:02 – Oh my God, there was an earthquake
0:17:05 while we were at the top floor of the hotel.
0:17:07 Getting that crazy dinner.
0:17:09 – We got to bring this back to Dignation in some way.
0:17:10 We had a good day at Dignation.
0:17:12 – We were there for Dignation, so that’s subtle.
0:17:13 – That’s perfect.
0:17:13 – Technically.
0:17:18 Oh, should we tell the story of the party we went to?
0:17:20 – Oh, we were in T-shirts and we felt totally awkward.
0:17:21 – Yeah, ’cause everybody was in like furry outfits.
0:17:25 – Yeah, we got invited to this high rise in Tokyo.
0:17:27 – So, Mikkozai, what was his name again?
0:17:28 – Umenachi was his last name.
0:17:29 – Umenachi?
0:17:30 – And Numeric, yeah.
0:17:31 – Numeric.
0:17:32 – I remember the Mikkozai.
0:17:34 – So, Mikkozai was the head of Kozai Animation.
0:17:36 And this was back, I mean, this was early days.
0:17:38 – Yeah, this was like 15 years ago.
0:17:39 – For sure.
0:17:40 There were a lot of people that were like,
0:17:43 what’s this podcast thing going on in America, to be honest.
0:17:44 And maybe even in Europe, I don’t know,
0:17:47 we didn’t really know a lot about what was going on there,
0:17:50 but Mikkozai was the head of Kozai Animation,
0:17:52 or is the head of Kozai Animation, I had no idea.
0:17:55 We got connected with him and he really wanted us
0:18:00 to talk with the lady that ran all of the radio in Japan.
0:18:01 Remember?
0:18:02 – Yes.
0:18:03 – And the way that we were gonna meet her
0:18:06 was we were gonna go to this party.
0:18:07 Like a house party.
0:18:08 – Like a house party.
0:18:10 – Yeah, and so I was in a shirt
0:18:11 that I had been wearing all day long.
0:18:12 – Of course.
0:18:13 – It was a black T-shirt, obviously.
0:18:14 – Shocker.
0:18:15 – Shocker.
0:18:18 And I just remember I was like hot and sweaty.
0:18:19 – Yep.
0:18:20 – Sweat was underneath my arms and stuff.
0:18:23 And I was wearing like shitty kind of jeans.
0:18:26 It’s travel gear, I was like, you walk around Tokyo.
0:18:28 And then we walk into this place.
0:18:32 – Well, first off, we go to this crazy high end
0:18:34 like Beverly Hills, Tokyo.
0:18:35 – Tokyo, yeah.
0:18:37 – And we go to a door that has an elevator
0:18:39 next to like a Chanel store.
0:18:40 – There’s a Louboutin.
0:18:41 – Louboutin store, right?
0:18:42 – Yeah.
0:18:45 – And then we go to the penthouse of said condo.
0:18:46 – We were like, oh, we’re just going to somebody’s house
0:18:48 and everyone’s gonna sit down around like playing Nintendo
0:18:49 or something.
0:18:50 – Yeah.
0:18:53 – It was like the highest in crazies.
0:18:55 And I’m like sweating.
0:18:57 I felt so out of place, dude.
0:18:58 – Yeah, you think?
0:19:00 We opened the door and there’s literally
0:19:03 a dance floor of people in costumes.
0:19:04 – Yeah.
0:19:06 – And there was like a record scratch.
0:19:07 – ‘Cause we’re the only white people in there.
0:19:10 – And it’s me, you, and Prager, and Mikkozai.
0:19:11 – Yeah.
0:19:13 This was when there was like very little white people
0:19:14 in Tokyo. – In Japan?
0:19:15 – ‘Cause I remember I got pissed
0:19:16 when I saw another white person.
0:19:17 – Oh yeah.
0:19:18 – ‘Cause I was like, get out of here.
0:19:19 I wanted to like doll myself.
0:19:20 – Well, remember how they,
0:19:23 ’cause we went out to that place that like art school
0:19:24 out in the sort of country.
0:19:27 Remember when we got off and everybody was staring at me?
0:19:27 – Yeah.
0:19:29 – ‘Cause it’s not just white people, blonde hair, blue eyes.
0:19:30 – Oh, that’s right.
0:19:33 – They were like, what is this weird thing walking by me?
0:19:34 – Yeah. – Who’s crazy?
0:19:36 – Your hair is still, you don’t have any grays.
0:19:37 – Do you dye it?
0:19:37 – No, not at all.
0:19:38 – Here’s the funny thing.
0:19:40 One day we were doing a donation
0:19:43 and the next week you came in and I’m like,
0:19:44 what’s wrong with you?
0:19:45 – White dye. – You had a white.
0:19:47 – Yeah, I still have it. – A white streak.
0:19:48 It was us just getting old.
0:19:49 – Yeah, of course.
0:19:51 – And I looked at you and I was like, what happened?
0:19:52 – Oh, no.
0:19:54 – And you were like, I don’t know, like I woke up.
0:19:56 – It’s just there. – And I just had white.
0:19:58 It was like a white tiger streak or something.
0:20:00 And I was like, what the hell?
0:20:01 It was us getting old.
0:20:02 That was the first sign.
0:20:06 Remember how I didn’t know if guys undergarments,
0:20:08 the carriage would turn gray?
0:20:09 You remember that?
0:20:11 I used to ask that in a podcast.
0:20:13 We had a podcast about that and I was like,
0:20:15 I didn’t know that’s a thing.
0:20:16 – It is a thing?
0:20:17 – Well, a couple of hairs will do that.
0:20:18 – Really? – As you get older.
0:20:20 Yeah, I found one too.
0:20:21 – That’s not happened to me yet.
0:20:22 – None. – No.
0:20:23 – At your age.
0:20:24 Well, how old are you now?
0:20:25 – Thank you very much for that, Kevin.
0:20:26 I think I’m older than you.
0:20:28 – So I’m 47.
0:20:29 – Yeah, I’m 48.
0:20:31 – Oh shit, and not a single gray down there.
0:20:33 – Amazing.
0:20:34 (laughing)
0:20:35 – What are you doing?
0:20:36 – Nothing?
0:20:39 You have no grace.
0:20:41 No, but you have nothing.
0:20:42 – Really?
0:20:43 – I had like two.
0:20:44 I had to turn them in immediately.
0:20:45 – I mean, that’s what you do with them.
0:20:47 – No, but I just like, it was confusing.
0:20:50 Anyway, the champagne’s going straight to my head.
0:20:52 – Much about Ignatian we’ve been talking about.
0:20:53 – Yeah.
0:20:56 One of my promises to all of you out there
0:20:58 is that when I take on advertising partners,
0:21:00 I want them to be actual products that I use,
0:21:01 things that are battle tested,
0:21:03 things that aren’t just somebody
0:21:04 that’s pitched me something,
0:21:07 but I’ve used them for months or years,
0:21:09 and I can recommend them with complete confidence.
0:21:13 And today’s sponsor, Copilot, is just that.
0:21:15 Copilot is how I track my spending,
0:21:17 it’s how I do my budgeting.
0:21:19 Back in the day, I used to use an app called Mint.
0:21:21 That’s no longer, they shut it down.
0:21:23 By the way, if you’re a Mint user
0:21:24 and you have all your data back there,
0:21:26 Copilot has a really easy way
0:21:29 that you can import all of your old Mint data.
0:21:30 But the reason I like Copilot
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0:21:36 So they categorize things very accurately,
0:21:40 and they have this engine that you can actually train
0:21:42 and automatically apply rules to transactions
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0:21:45 So everything just neatly gets categorized,
0:21:47 and you don’t have to spend a ton of time doing that.
0:21:50 But I actually think that this might even be cooler.
0:21:53 I really like that they bring in Amazon
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0:21:55 So you can actually see the items that you’re buying
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0:22:22 All right, this next mention is not a sponsor.
0:22:23 However, I am an investor,
0:22:25 but I want to give them a little bit of love
0:22:29 because I’ve greatly benefited from using this app,
0:22:30 and I think you will as well.
0:22:31 Let’s talk about meditation.
0:22:34 In my opinion, and I’m just speaking for myself here,
0:22:35 this is not coming from the company,
0:22:38 meditation has turned into a pretty big enterprise.
0:22:40 So most of the apps that are out there these days,
0:22:42 they’re jam-packed with shorter meditations,
0:22:45 they have sleep content, just more and more stuff.
0:22:47 I think this is great
0:22:49 because these companies have huge marketing budgets,
0:22:52 they’re great at introducing meditation to the masses.
0:22:53 There’s a saying in meditation
0:22:55 that the only bad meditation is the one that you don’t do,
0:22:57 which I fully subscribe to.
0:23:00 But if you’ve tried these apps
0:23:02 and you’re looking for something else,
0:23:05 you’re looking for a little bit more depth
0:23:06 in a clearly defined path
0:23:09 from an authentic, fully accredited Zen master,
0:23:11 then you have to try out the way.
0:23:13 You’ve probably heard of Henry Shookman,
0:23:14 he’s been on my podcast before,
0:23:16 talking about all things meditation,
0:23:17 talking about enlightenment.
0:23:18 Henry is amazing.
0:23:21 His app is available for both iOS and Android.
0:23:24 You can find it at thewayapp.com.
0:23:26 I’ve been studying with Henry for several years now
0:23:28 and it’s absolutely changed my life.
0:23:31 I’m so glad that he’s bringing these teachings
0:23:32 in the form of an app
0:23:34 because typically you would have to go to a Zendo,
0:23:36 travel out to Santa Fe, New Mexico,
0:23:38 and now it’s fully ready to go on iOS and Android.
0:23:40 So with this app, you’ll get to enjoy
0:23:43 30 free guided meditation sessions
0:23:44 and they’re all different.
0:23:47 They’re fantastic, there’s no credit card required.
0:23:49 Check it out, download it for iOS and Android.
0:23:50 And like I said, with this,
0:23:52 you’re gonna get focused training,
0:23:55 you’re gonna get depth and you get quality over quantity.
0:23:58 Thewayapp.com, it’s the change in depth
0:24:01 that I have a feeling that you’ve been looking for.
0:24:03 – Let’s cover a couple of other topics
0:24:04 and then we should probably transition
0:24:06 to a better location.
0:24:07 How’s everything been?
0:24:08 How’s your family been?
0:24:09 How’s the life been in general?
0:24:10 People are gonna wonder like,
0:24:12 what the hell, what’s Alex been up to?
0:24:13 – God, yeah.
0:24:16 – ‘Cause you were, dude, you were huge into Bitcoin.
0:24:17 – Was, yeah.
0:24:18 – Like 10 years ago or whatever.
0:24:20 You had a whole mining operation.
0:24:21 I remember calling you up and being like,
0:24:22 dude, what’s, but I haven’t copied lately.
0:24:25 And you’re like, I’m out of state.
0:24:28 You were like doing some kind of like weird mining operation
0:24:31 and like a place where it was power efficient and shit.
0:24:32 – Right outside Reno.
0:24:33 – Yeah.
0:24:35 – We had a mining operation, bought a bunch of miners.
0:24:36 I mean, it’s like we were talking about, you know,
0:24:38 if you bought an iPhone instead of buying the iPhone,
0:24:39 you just bought Apple stock,
0:24:41 like you have millions of dollars or whatever.
0:24:42 It’s very much like that.
0:24:45 I have been in and out of Bitcoin,
0:24:47 not as early as it started,
0:24:49 ’cause I remember talking about on Dignation
0:24:51 when it was like five cents a coin.
0:24:52 – It was nothing.
0:24:53 It was nothing.
0:24:54 I remember I looked back at,
0:24:59 my first purchase was at about $10 a coin, which is crazy.
0:25:00 – And again, I go back to it.
0:25:01 – I remember when it hit a hundred, I was like,
0:25:03 oh, cash out, bitch, I’m out, son.
0:25:05 – It’s always a good idea to sell
0:25:07 until it’s not a good idea that you sold.
0:25:08 – Exactly.
0:25:09 – And again, it’s the same thing.
0:25:12 It’s like, had we not put the money that we put into
0:25:16 the mining operation and just bought and held Bitcoin,
0:25:18 so much money, like so much money,
0:25:20 but also wouldn’t have been as fun.
0:25:22 It’s the same thing as like putting money in the stock market
0:25:24 and just sitting there and watch it kind of do some stuff.
0:25:26 That’s just not fun, you know what I mean?
0:25:29 Yeah, me and some partners got together.
0:25:31 I built my own miner.
0:25:33 – Like ASIC miner or like what were you doing?
0:25:34 – No, no, no, no, no, this wasn’t mining Bitcoin.
0:25:37 So like I was doing stuff, this is way back in the day,
0:25:38 like Bitcoin was probably like a hundred.
0:25:39 – Okay, yeah, yeah.
0:25:41 – 75, something like that.
0:25:43 And I built myself a graphics,
0:25:45 like one of those things it was like in a milk crate.
0:25:46 – Yeah.
0:25:47 – You know what I mean?
0:25:51 – Yeah, yeah, and then you stack up the GPUs, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:25:52 I would like tunnel into it.
0:25:54 My buddy had an office.
0:25:55 His electricity was included in the brain.
0:25:57 – People used to do that.
0:25:58 – Hey!
0:25:58 – Yeah, people used to do that.
0:26:01 They’d take and plug them into their employers electricity.
0:26:02 – A hundred percent.
0:26:04 So I was like, this is free money, you know what I mean?
0:26:06 I bought the stuff, set it up, and you know,
0:26:08 I mean, computer scientists from way back
0:26:10 and a computer nerd from my entire life,
0:26:12 like building this was super fun
0:26:15 and downloading the miners, then setting up the miners,
0:26:18 setting up the like drilling in and all the like tunneling in
0:26:20 and being able to do all that stuff was super fun.
0:26:23 So I had weeks of tinkering, which was super great.
0:26:25 And then I started doing this thing
0:26:29 where I would go to these Chinese exchanges
0:26:33 and I would find altcoins that I could mine
0:26:37 that were trading for Bitcoin on these exchanges.
0:26:39 You know, one point I was mining like Federation coin,
0:26:41 which was like a Star Trek altcoin.
0:26:46 But in this Chinese exchange, you could sell that coin
0:26:49 for a coin that on a regular exchange,
0:26:51 not the like Wild West exchange,
0:26:54 you could then sell that for Bitcoin.
0:26:56 So I was doing this kind of arbitrage,
0:26:58 but at the same time I was mining.
0:27:00 So I’d be like mining Fed coin.
0:27:02 I like was mining UFC coin at some point,
0:27:03 like just these weird coins.
0:27:05 And it wasn’t even associated, it was like, I get it.
0:27:07 – I mean, that meme coins are the thing now,
0:27:08 but this is way back in the day.
0:27:09 – Nobody even called the meme coins.
0:27:10 It wasn’t even a thing.
0:27:12 Just some guy was like, I’m gonna make a coin.
0:27:14 And then people were like, I’ll buy some of that.
0:27:15 You know what I mean?
0:27:16 And then there was an exchange where they were like,
0:27:18 well, I’d trade that for this coin.
0:27:20 And it was like, oh, that coin you can send over here
0:27:22 and trade it for Bitcoin.
0:27:25 So I did that for like, I can’t even remember how long,
0:27:29 built up a little stockpile of like three, four Bitcoins,
0:27:29 something like that.
0:27:31 ‘Cause I was making a third of a coin here.
0:27:32 – Yeah, yeah.
0:27:35 – And then that was sitting on an exchange that went bust.
0:27:36 – Oh, fuck.
0:27:38 Well, I lost it. – What kind of exchange was it?
0:27:39 – I can’t remember.
0:27:40 – Not Mt. Gox.
0:27:41 It was before that.
0:27:43 It was before Mt. Gox, something else.
0:27:44 – And you just lost it all.
0:27:45 Oh, shit, dude, I’m sorry.
0:27:47 – But again, I was like, yeah, it’s 800 bucks, whatever,
0:27:48 at the time.
0:27:49 – Yeah, at the time.
0:27:51 – And now I’m like, I’d like that $200,000 back then.
0:27:53 – Yeah, exactly, seriously.
0:27:55 – And then I got into the mining stuff.
0:27:57 And so I was always sort of dipping and dipping out.
0:27:58 And I was just like, whatever.
0:28:00 So we got a couple miners and then a partner was like,
0:28:03 hey, I’m opening a place.
0:28:05 We put it there and then ran that
0:28:06 for months and months made some.
0:28:09 I remember I was in Hawaii for Thanksgiving.
0:28:12 And I remember when Bitcoin hit 20 for the first time.
0:28:15 And I was getting alerts from the miners.
0:28:16 And so I get an alert that was like,
0:28:18 you just made $700.
0:28:19 – That’s amazing.
0:28:22 – You just made bubble, and it was like, yeah.
0:28:25 And then we sold everything, liquidated it all down.
0:28:28 And then it dipped down to like eight again.
0:28:30 And the miners are just underwater.
0:28:33 We sold them all for like nothing.
0:28:35 And then I walked away from that with like three,
0:28:38 two and a half Bitcoin, which at the time I was like,
0:28:41 yeah, it’s fine, you know, you made a little money.
0:28:43 And then I put it into BlockFi.
0:28:45 – Oh, shit.
0:28:47 – Started to make an interest on it, which is great.
0:28:48 I had my credit card, which is awesome.
0:28:50 – But you got the back now, right?
0:28:51 – They went bankrupt.
0:28:55 And when the whole FTX thing happened.
0:28:55 – Right.
0:28:57 – And I was like, well, it happened again.
0:28:58 – Didn’t they return all of it?
0:28:59 – I got all of it back.
0:29:01 I was flabbergasted that I got all of it.
0:29:02 – Yeah.
0:29:03 – But I got all of it back.
0:29:04 – My buddy Brendan had the same thing happen
0:29:06 when we had all of his shit locked up.
0:29:08 ‘Cause everyone was getting like 5%, 6%,
0:29:09 whatever was amazing.
0:29:11 – Better than a wallet, just not a secure.
0:29:12 It was a company, you know what I mean?
0:29:14 Chris was the one that told me at your party.
0:29:15 – Yeah, I mean–
0:29:16 – He was the one that was like, dude, you gotta–
0:29:18 – I had a BlockFi account, I was earning interest.
0:29:21 And there was one time where I was just like,
0:29:23 there was something that made me a little uncomfortable.
0:29:25 I’m like, how can this just exist forever?
0:29:25 – Yeah.
0:29:27 – You know, I remember just like earning a bunch of interest
0:29:30 and be like, am I gonna, something?
0:29:31 And I just withdrew all.
0:29:33 And I got really lucky, I avoided it by like one month.
0:29:35 And it was just pure luck.
0:29:39 We lucked out too, ’cause I had convinced Heather, my wife,
0:29:43 to put a not crazy amount of our savings
0:29:45 into like USD coin or something.
0:29:47 – Yeah.
0:29:48 – On BlockFi, and we were making a good interest.
0:29:50 I mean, it was like north of 5%.
0:29:52 And it was like, hey, it’s tracking the US dollar.
0:29:54 So it’s like, you don’t really have to worry
0:29:56 about the fluctuation in the price of the coin.
0:29:57 It was like, it all made sense.
0:30:00 And we had made some good return on it,
0:30:01 but at a certain point Heather was like,
0:30:02 yeah, I’m not super comfortable.
0:30:03 I was like, dude, then I’ll pull it out.
0:30:05 And I pulled it out a year
0:30:08 before all the stuff went down and knock on wood.
0:30:09 I mean, thankfully BlockFi was really good
0:30:11 about giving that money back to people.
0:30:13 ‘Cause again, it was assets under management, right?
0:30:15 It wasn’t like, or not even assets under management.
0:30:16 They were custodial wallets.
0:30:19 So they were like, we don’t think this is our money.
0:30:21 We think this is your money.
0:30:22 We just can’t give it to you
0:30:23 because we’re going through a bankruptcy.
0:30:24 – Interesting.
0:30:28 – Yeah, at every step they were like, this isn’t ours.
0:30:29 This is a custodial wallet.
0:30:31 We think of it that way.
0:30:32 Because again, I got burnt on that other exchange.
0:30:34 So I still was like, if, you know.
0:30:35 – Yeah, it happens, it happens.
0:30:36 – It happens, but I got it back.
0:30:37 And it’s been really good actually
0:30:40 because now I’ve gotten to this point where
0:30:45 there are things that I will go, that seems cool.
0:30:48 I’ll just sell a little Bitcoin and we’ll do it that way.
0:30:49 You know what I mean?
0:30:52 So like we did an investment in like a little friends
0:30:54 and family investment in a ready to drink alcohol brand
0:30:55 called Art and Rev.
0:30:57 – Is that the little tiny guys?
0:31:00 – No, it’s a can, but it’s like really high end.
0:31:02 We make our own liquors out of Minnesota.
0:31:04 – Why didn’t you bring some of that tonight?
0:31:05 – Well, I should have, I’m sorry.
0:31:07 Next time, yeah.
0:31:09 But it was great because it was like really small amount.
0:31:11 But I was like, let’s just take it out of the Bitcoin
0:31:13 ’cause Bitcoin was like at the point,
0:31:15 you know, where it was making some money.
0:31:17 And we’ve made all that back now, it’s crazy.
0:31:19 We keep a little bit and then when we wanna do like,
0:31:21 let’s remodel a bathroom, we’ll take it.
0:31:23 Because I never used it.
0:31:24 You know what I mean?
0:31:25 And that was always the thing where I was like,
0:31:27 I would always tell my buddy Jerry, I was like,
0:31:30 dude, I just made 10 grand in like 20 minutes
0:31:31 ’cause Bitcoin’s go crazy.
0:31:33 And he was like, did you?
0:31:34 I was like, I mean, yeah.
0:31:35 – Right, until you actually saw it.
0:31:35 – And he’s like, are you gonna sell it?
0:31:37 And I was like, no, you’re gonna hold it.
0:31:38 And I was like, well, then you didn’t make 10.
0:31:40 It’s just fun to watch the numbers go up.
0:31:43 So with this, now I’ve kind of gotten to this thing
0:31:46 where I’m like, when it’s time to do something fun,
0:31:48 like we’re gonna try to redo our own bathroom.
0:31:51 I don’t know why we’re doing this, but we’re gonna try.
0:31:51 – Yourself?
0:31:52 – Yes.
0:31:54 – I’m addicted to these Instagram accounts
0:31:56 that have like all the woodworking tools and tips
0:31:57 and shit like that.
0:31:58 You watching that shit?
0:32:00 Oh dude, it’s so good.
0:32:03 – No, but we actually do like a Instagram account on us
0:32:05 attempting to redo, we’re just doing our half bath.
0:32:07 It’s just like a little bath.
0:32:08 When we were in Tuscany, I was like,
0:32:10 I wanna move to Tuscany.
0:32:12 This feels so cool, not Tuscany specifically,
0:32:14 but like, I love the vibe of Tuscany.
0:32:16 – Yeah, well, people should know you don’t have kids.
0:32:17 – Don’t have kids, no.
0:32:19 – And you’re not planning to have any kids.
0:32:20 You got that freedom, dude.
0:32:21 That’s what’s cool.
0:32:22 You could do that if you want to.
0:32:26 – I mean, honestly, like it’s funny that the freedom thing,
0:32:28 for us now, the anchor is friends.
0:32:29 – Yeah.
0:32:33 – Like, so we’re gonna move to Tuscany
0:32:34 and not see our friends.
0:32:35 But then it’s sort of like,
0:32:37 yeah, we don’t really see our friends all that often anyway.
0:32:38 You know what I mean?
0:32:41 Even local friends will see ’em once every six months.
0:32:42 We’ll be like, oh, we haven’t seen each other.
0:32:43 Like, we gotta get to dinner together.
0:32:46 Yeah, it’s like, they’re gonna come if we’re like,
0:32:48 hey, there’s a free, just get yourself to Tuscany.
0:32:50 You can stay here for a week, for free.
0:32:51 – What’s funny is like, now that I moved to LA,
0:32:53 we’ve seen each other twice now,
0:32:55 which is just like ridiculous.
0:32:56 – So stupid.
0:32:58 – I mean, you did move to the other side of Los Angeles.
0:33:00 – Which is another city altogether, practically.
0:33:02 Yeah, it is ridiculous.
0:33:04 – But yeah, so it did a bunch of Bitcoin stuff.
0:33:06 And then our mutual friend Ben,
0:33:07 I was an advisor to his company, Caffeine,
0:33:08 that he launched.
0:33:11 And then he got a big investment from Fox to do,
0:33:12 and this is a live streaming service,
0:33:14 to do content to make it on the studio.
0:33:15 – And you were running a bunch of shows over there.
0:33:16 – I ran a bunch of shows.
0:33:18 Yeah, I was running original production for them
0:33:20 for a while, just creating shows, running them.
0:33:22 Super fun, had a blast.
0:33:25 I had a live, weekly, interactive animated series.
0:33:26 It was like a comedy animated show,
0:33:28 but it was live and interactive,
0:33:31 which was just like so fun problem solving all that stuff.
0:33:34 And then we did a live interactive Dungeons & Dragons show.
0:33:35 – I remember that.
0:33:35 – Dude, it was so fun.
0:33:37 We had an animatronic host.
0:33:40 The puppet was like an animatronic puppet was the host.
0:33:42 And we would do our breaks for the thing.
0:33:44 We’d literally just chat, talking to an animatronic puppet.
0:33:47 It was some of the best time ever.
0:33:49 And then oversaw productions for them for a while.
0:33:51 And then you had just kind of stepped away
0:33:53 and was like, what do I want to do?
0:33:56 And to be honest, I don’t have an answer.
0:33:57 You know what I mean?
0:33:57 – Yeah.
0:34:00 – I just enjoyed doing stuff, doing weird things.
0:34:02 I just did my first loop group session.
0:34:03 – I don’t know what that is.
0:34:04 – It’s so weird.
0:34:05 – Is it like wife sharing stuff?
0:34:07 – No, that’s different.
0:34:08 That’s a different loop.
0:34:10 No, that’s the loop you know of.
0:34:11 – Yeah, the loop I know.
0:34:14 – No, it’s this voiceover thing that you do
0:34:17 with a group of people where you do the ancillary voices
0:34:19 and like fight battle noises and stuff
0:34:22 for animated series, video games and things like that.
0:34:23 It’s crazy.
0:34:26 I was like speaking, I was speaking Icelandic at some point.
0:34:27 It was super fun.
0:34:29 – It was an iPhone app?
0:34:30 – No, no, no.
0:34:31 The one we were doing was for an animated movie
0:34:32 that my buddy’s been doing.
0:34:33 – Oh, cool.
0:34:36 – Yeah. And it was just like, I was speaking Icelandic
0:34:38 and we were like Vikings and it was crazy.
0:34:39 It was so much fun.
0:34:40 – That’s awesome.
0:34:41 – It was so much fun.
0:34:42 But it’s like, that was cool.
0:34:43 I mean, I’d do that again if somebody asked.
0:34:46 Thankfully, I personally have done enough where like,
0:34:48 not that I don’t need to work ’cause I need to work.
0:34:49 You know, everybody needs to make money,
0:34:52 but it’s not like an immediate need where it’s like,
0:34:54 before it was like, I need to work
0:34:56 so I can go to the grocery store.
0:34:57 You know what I mean?
0:34:58 And then once that need became,
0:35:00 I need to work so that I can go to the grocery store
0:35:02 in 15 years, right?
0:35:03 – Right.
0:35:04 – It was still a need.
0:35:05 And now it’s like, I need to work
0:35:08 because I think in like 20 years,
0:35:10 I don’t know if I can go to the grocery store,
0:35:12 but I think I might be able to go to the grocery store.
0:35:13 You know what I mean?
0:35:13 So it’s like…
0:35:15 – And then you’re checking your age and you’re like,
0:35:18 okay, will I be fed or will I be…
0:35:20 – My buddy screwed me up so bad.
0:35:21 – Why?
0:35:22 – We were talking about just,
0:35:24 we’re playing video games talking bullshit
0:35:25 ’cause that’s what we do.
0:35:26 And it’s great, it’s great life.
0:35:28 And he goes, I can’t remember what we were talking about.
0:35:32 And he was like, look, if we’re lucky, we’re lucky,
0:35:36 we’ve got 20 more years of being healthy
0:35:37 and AI do whatever we want.
0:35:39 Yes, yeah.
0:35:41 – You’re 48?
0:35:41 – Yeah.
0:35:43 – 68, I hope you can still do them.
0:35:46 – No, if we’re lucky, by 68, I hope so too.
0:35:49 But by 68, those years are gonna be the same as my years.
0:35:51 He’s 74.
0:35:52 – How’s he doing?
0:35:54 – He’s doing good, but he’s slowing down.
0:35:56 He’s got some back issues.
0:35:56 You know what I mean?
0:35:58 – But like, he can go have a nice dinner and hang out.
0:36:01 – Sure, 100%, 100%.
0:36:03 But again, he’s lucky.
0:36:03 – Yeah.
0:36:04 – You know what I mean?
0:36:06 – Yeah, my dad went down at 73.
0:36:07 – Right, yeah.
0:36:08 – At your house.
0:36:09 I got the phone call at your house.
0:36:11 – Dude, I will never forget that
0:36:14 ’cause I remember Prager knocking on our door
0:36:16 at like seven in the morning.
0:36:18 And I was like, why is Prager knocking on my door?
0:36:19 – I was laying in your spare bedroom.
0:36:21 We recorded “Dignation” the night before
0:36:23 and my sister calls me.
0:36:24 It was like seven a.m.
0:36:26 My phone I had on vibrate is like zzzz.
0:36:28 And then in my head, I’m like, oh, fuck.
0:36:31 Why would she be calling me this early?
0:36:32 Why?
0:36:33 Why?
0:36:34 – No good reason.
0:36:34 – No good reason.
0:36:35 – Only bad reasons.
0:36:36 – Only bad reasons.
0:36:37 And then I picked up the second time she called
0:36:40 and she’s like, dad’s passed and she was in tears.
0:36:43 And I was at your house, dude.
0:36:44 And so what did Prager say?
0:36:45 I don’t even remember.
0:36:46 That whole thing was a blur to me.
0:36:47 – Oh, dude, Prager knocked on the door
0:36:49 and I was like, what did they need at seven?
0:36:50 ‘Cause you guys had a flight.
0:36:51 Like, it was all gonna be–
0:36:52 – That flight was like nine or something.
0:36:53 – Yeah, it was gonna be like–
0:36:55 – We were going back to SF.
0:36:56 – Yeah. – Oh, yeah.
0:36:57 And I remember I opened the door
0:36:59 and Prager was just like, dude,
0:37:01 Kevin’s father had a heart attack, we gotta go.
0:37:04 And I was like, okay, and I just put–
0:37:04 – Yeah.
0:37:07 I remember when you walked me out to the front room
0:37:08 and I was just like, she’s passed.
0:37:10 And I was just like in a daze.
0:37:11 – Yeah.
0:37:12 – And I had to go to the airport.
0:37:14 I had to call a taxi.
0:37:15 – Oh, yeah.
0:37:16 – Oh, yeah, no Uber’s, yeah, for sure.
0:37:18 – Yeah, and then I just went to the airport
0:37:19 and then booked a flight.
0:37:20 It wasn’t until I was on the flight to Las Vegas
0:37:22 that I kind of broke down ’cause I was in such a shock.
0:37:25 – Oh, dude, well, that’s always what happens, right?
0:37:25 – Yeah.
0:37:27 – You’re just kind of like a zombie through,
0:37:29 ’cause then you’re in work mode, right?
0:37:31 You’re like, okay, I’m not going to SF.
0:37:34 Gotta go to Vegas, gotta get to the airport,
0:37:35 get on the flight, get a ticket.
0:37:37 Who flies to Vegas right now?
0:37:39 – Exactly, I was like Southwest, okay.
0:37:40 – And then the moment you’re on there,
0:37:42 you’re like, oh my, this happened.
0:37:45 – I know, I was sitting next to this younger girl
0:37:47 and I remember that I had put my hand over my face
0:37:49 and wiped some tears away.
0:37:50 I just remember her, it must’ve been like,
0:37:53 what the hell is this guy all fucked up about?
0:37:55 You got engaged on stage at Dignation,
0:37:57 well, I mean, you announced it, actually,
0:37:58 and surprised me.
0:38:00 – I was smart enough to not get engaged
0:38:03 during the crazy London live show.
0:38:04 That was that crazy show where like,
0:38:06 you remember the security guard that they gave us?
0:38:07 – No.
0:38:08 – The big British guy?
0:38:10 – Oh, dude, remember when I got a death threat
0:38:11 to be shot and we had to have those guys?
0:38:12 – Oh, that’s when–
0:38:13 – ‘Cause those were Israeli guys.
0:38:14 – I think that’s when that was.
0:38:15 It was during that time.
0:38:16 That was so weird.
0:38:18 – No, this was a different one.
0:38:20 – ‘Cause, oh, the Israeli guy.
0:38:21 – Yeah, for people that don’t know,
0:38:23 there was a death threat that came in to dig
0:38:28 that said, you’re promoting too much left-wing content.
0:38:29 – Right, yeah.
0:38:30 – Like, a long time, obviously, a long time ago.
0:38:33 They said, I’m gonna come to the Dignation and shoot you.
0:38:35 We had to file with the FBI,
0:38:38 got two undercover Israeli–
0:38:39 – Yeah, it was like ex-Musad guys.
0:38:41 – Yeah, and they had guns on them.
0:38:42 – Oh, yeah.
0:38:43 – And we were doing a lot of Dignation,
0:38:44 and I was like sitting there in front of the crowd
0:38:47 being like, let’s party, please don’t shoot me.
0:38:49 – Yeah, I thought you had to bring the shots.
0:38:49 – Yeah.
0:38:51 – Like, that was tough.
0:38:52 – Totally crazy tough.
0:38:54 – But this guy, I remember,
0:38:56 ’cause it was at the O2 conference center
0:38:57 where it was like,
0:38:59 I might have been WebEx, maybe?
0:39:00 London?
0:39:01 Might have been the future of WebEx.
0:39:02 – It was Ryan Carson saying.
0:39:05 – And we were backstage, and it was like 3,000 seats,
0:39:06 and they were all filled,
0:39:07 and we were just getting psyched up.
0:39:11 And this big British guy, who was like the security guard.
0:39:11 – Yeah.
0:39:13 – He was like, what are these guys doing here?
0:39:15 And we were like, oh, we do the show,
0:39:17 and there’s like a platform with a couch.
0:39:18 He was like, you do a show?
0:39:21 And I was like, yeah, we sit and we drink and talk.
0:39:21 Yeah.
0:39:25 And he goes, oh, he was like, aren’t they getting free beer?
0:39:26 And I was like, yeah, I think we got them all free beer.
0:39:29 Like we made it so that people would get beer on the end.
0:39:30 And he was like, oh, they’re just here for the beer.
0:39:33 And we were like, okay, dude, just let’s go.
0:39:35 Like, we’re about to go on stage in front of these people.
0:39:36 Could we just chill?
0:39:39 And that’s when this guy, our friend,
0:39:43 who sometimes has good idea, we finish the show.
0:39:45 And that’s the one where Heather came,
0:39:47 and I announced that I got engaged,
0:39:48 everybody crazy, it was so super fun.
0:39:50 It was really a special time.
0:39:51 And at the end of the show,
0:39:53 everybody’s losing their mind.
0:39:54 It’s so great.
0:39:57 And of course, everybody rushes up to get a picture.
0:40:00 And they’re all in front of the little stand
0:40:01 where there’s a couch.
0:40:02 – It lists up like four feet or whatever,
0:40:04 like not even that three feet.
0:40:07 – So Prager goes, get up on the couch with the guys
0:40:08 and take a picture.
0:40:12 So all 3,000 people start getting onto this platform.
0:40:14 And then it was like, no, don’t get on the platform.
0:40:15 And they were like, get off the platform.
0:40:16 – Yeah, ’cause it was collapsed.
0:40:17 – It was collapsed.
0:40:18 I mean, there were so many people.
0:40:19 And then people were jumping on this thing.
0:40:20 And we were just like, okay.
0:40:23 And all of a sudden, the scruff of my back
0:40:25 gets picked up by this British guy.
0:40:28 The giant security guard grabs both of us
0:40:30 and starts walking us out through the privacy curtain.
0:40:32 And he’s like, get out of the way, boys.
0:40:33 Get out of the way.
0:40:34 And he’s like pushing people out of the way.
0:40:35 – Oh, shit.
0:40:36 I don’t even remember anything.
0:40:37 – And then he throws us back into the thing.
0:40:39 And he was like, holy hell.
0:40:41 He goes, you were serious.
0:40:42 They were here for you.
0:40:43 And we were like, yeah, dude.
0:40:44 – For a photo.
0:40:45 That’s what they were doing.
0:40:47 He was like, I’ve never seen anything like that.
0:40:48 – That was amazing.
0:40:50 – Oh, it was so much fun.
0:40:52 Oh my God.
0:40:54 – Well, we’ll do another live show at some point.
0:40:55 – Well, shit, why not?
0:40:55 – Yeah, why not.
0:40:56 We’re in LA.
0:40:57 Pretty sure we can find a venue
0:40:59 and just do like a little 50 person,
0:41:01 just no Yeager shot, please, people.
0:41:02 No Yeager shot.
0:41:02 – That’s not gonna be a thing.
0:41:03 That’s not gonna be a thing.
0:41:04 – Definitely be a Yeager shot.
0:41:06 – Our liver is gonna die.
0:41:08 Oh, speaking of livers and not drinking.
0:41:09 – Yeah, how your liver ends up.
0:41:12 – See, you went to, I don’t look at those things.
0:41:15 – So you went 90 days without drinking?
0:41:15 – Give or take.
0:41:16 – 20 days?
0:41:17 – No, no, no.
0:41:20 I actually, I’ve made it 45 days and then I had to go.
0:41:21 – Had to go get a drink.
0:41:22 – No, no, no, no.
0:41:23 Honestly, these wines.
0:41:28 – Kevin is like, this is why I don’t drink,
0:41:29 but I do interviews.
0:41:30 – Exactly.
0:41:32 The one thing that’s fun about Parliament of State
0:41:33 and NAPA is like, I get to help them out
0:41:35 on the advisory board.
0:41:38 And so we were doing an advisory board meeting up in NAPA.
0:41:41 So I flipped there and they’re like, oh, guess what?
0:41:43 Today’s the blind tasting day.
0:41:44 Well, we’re all gonna do a blind tasting.
0:41:46 We’re gonna pull out like 10 wines to blind taste.
0:41:47 – Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:41:48 The like library stuff.
0:41:52 – And I’m like, oh my God, how can I not have a sip?
0:41:53 – No, no.
0:41:54 – And so I kind of broke down at 45,
0:41:55 but I’ve been really good.
0:41:57 I’ve been very good at cutting back a lot.
0:42:00 I think it’s very difficult.
0:42:03 – I think it’s very difficult.
0:42:05 – Well, I mean, you know how it is.
0:42:06 – I do.
0:42:07 – Because I like to drink,
0:42:10 but also I feel so much better when I don’t drink.
0:42:11 – When you go for like a week?
0:42:13 – So this summer I went four months.
0:42:14 – Ooh.
0:42:17 (laughing)
0:42:19 – It’s like I just showed you a pie.
0:42:22 – I did, I went four months.
0:42:25 – I did, I went four months over the summer.
0:42:26 – This summer, that was last summer then.
0:42:28 – No, it was summer.
0:42:29 Was it last summer?
0:42:30 – Yeah, we’re not in the summer yet.
0:42:31 We’re just starting summer.
0:42:33 – Right, yeah, so last summer.
0:42:35 The most recent summer we did.
0:42:39 I just had, oh man, it’s one of those things where like,
0:42:40 the way I talk about it,
0:42:41 it’s the same way I talk about eating, right?
0:42:43 – Did Heather have to stop by the way or did you?
0:42:44 – She tried.
0:42:46 – She tried, how long did she make it?
0:42:47 – Couple days.
0:42:48 Also it wasn’t about that for me.
0:42:50 It was like, I love that you filled mine up
0:42:51 and not yours out.
0:42:52 – Well, I’m waiting ’cause I’m gonna switch to red
0:42:53 once we move to the couch.
0:42:54 – Oh, spoiler alert.
0:42:55 – Sorry.
0:42:58 – So I’m very much a binary person
0:42:59 when it comes to things like that.
0:43:00 – Yes, same.
0:43:02 – I’m either on program or I’m off program.
0:43:02 – Yes, yes.
0:43:04 – If I’m eating healthy, I’m eating healthy.
0:43:06 If I’m not eating healthy,
0:43:08 I’m gonna eat like a garbage man.
0:43:09 – Yes.
0:43:11 – Just like a garbage troll.
0:43:12 – 7-Eleven.
0:43:13 – Oh, I will go that far.
0:43:14 – Oh, dude.
0:43:15 – If I’m not doing anything, I’m off reservation.
0:43:16 – So here’s my thing.
0:43:18 This is, I will tell you, this is the truth.
0:43:20 The worst version of myself is,
0:43:22 we’ll go out to a nice dinner.
0:43:25 We’ll have like a nice dinner and we’ll get the kids.
0:43:26 Kids are being a little bit like loud
0:43:28 and kind of like, you know.
0:43:29 – Kids.
0:43:31 – Yeah, you know, where you’re just like, okay.
0:43:34 Okay, yes, she can have the red crayon.
0:43:35 Now give it back, okay.
0:43:37 And I’m like, Martini, you know?
0:43:38 And I’m just doing Martini.
0:43:41 And then, you know, this is maybe your second Martini.
0:43:45 And then you take an Uber home and self driving.
0:43:46 No, I’m just kidding.
0:43:49 No, you take an Uber home and then when you get home,
0:43:50 I order a pizza.
0:43:52 (laughing)
0:43:54 And then I’ll eat the whole pizza.
0:43:55 – Okay, but where do you order the pizza from?
0:43:56 – A good place.
0:43:57 – Okay.
0:43:58 – Like Emmy squared.
0:44:01 – I’ll order pizza hot pizza when I’m in garbage mode.
0:44:02 Heather hates it.
0:44:03 – I can’t do that, dude.
0:44:04 Why don’t you treat yourself?
0:44:07 – It’s like $4 more for a good pizza.
0:44:10 – Because I want the experience of eating crap.
0:44:12 Like that’s part of it for me.
0:44:13 I don’t know why.
0:44:14 It’s just part of my psyche.
0:44:15 – You just don’t wake up feeling like shit.
0:44:17 – I always wake up feeling lovely.
0:44:17 That’s the problem.
0:44:18 – You do?
0:44:19 – Yeah.
0:44:20 – You don’t ever get a hangover.
0:44:21 – Okay, it happens periodically,
0:44:22 but rarely ever get a hangover.
0:44:23 – What’s your secret?
0:44:24 – Genetics, I don’t know.
0:44:29 But I will say what got me going was,
0:44:31 this is so bad, I shouldn’t even tell people this.
0:44:32 When the garbage man comes out,
0:44:34 it’s usually when Heather is out of town.
0:44:37 – Mm, well with friends who sit by yourself at home.
0:44:38 – By myself.
0:44:39 That’s the worst.
0:44:40 – Okay.
0:44:41 – And this is what caused me to go,
0:44:42 why am I doing this?
0:44:43 – Yeah.
0:44:44 – So it was a Friday night,
0:44:46 and I know this because Saturday night,
0:44:49 I went to this like crazy networking event
0:44:50 with a friend of mine
0:44:52 and I didn’t drink at the networking event,
0:44:52 which was like a big deal.
0:44:53 – That’s tough for me.
0:44:54 – It was a big deal.
0:44:55 – Lots of people, I can’t do that.
0:44:56 – Yeah, so it was a big deal.
0:44:58 That night, I ordered like,
0:45:00 I don’t know what the hell I ordered first.
0:45:02 Garbage food.
0:45:03 Started drinking Jack Daniels.
0:45:05 Started at like six, you know what I mean?
0:45:06 ‘Cause again, Heather was out of town.
0:45:07 – That’s not that late.
0:45:09 – Our dog Montana had passed,
0:45:11 so we didn’t have a dog in the house.
0:45:13 So it literally was like, I was a bachelor again,
0:45:14 you know what I mean?
0:45:15 – Yeah.
0:45:16 – And we got another dog now, Bindi,
0:45:17 who’s sweet and lovely.
0:45:20 But I ordered food, started drinking Jack.
0:45:24 Nine, 9.30, I’m like hungry.
0:45:27 I’m not, but my brain says I’m hungry.
0:45:30 I order this like sloppy burrito and quesadilla,
0:45:33 whatever, eat that, didn’t need to.
0:45:34 Started feeling like nausea,
0:45:37 like I just ate too much, kept drinking Jack.
0:45:38 Went to bed.
0:45:39 Oh, Heather might’ve been in town, actually.
0:45:40 Now that I think about it,
0:45:43 I think she was just out doing something.
0:45:45 At one point, I like woke up at like three or four
0:45:48 and it felt like I had just almost thrown up in my mouth.
0:45:50 And I was like, and I like went into the bathroom
0:45:51 real quick to be like, did I need to throw up?
0:45:53 And I was like, no.
0:45:55 And I went back to bed and I just woke up
0:45:57 and I was like, what the fuck am I doing?
0:45:58 – Yeah.
0:46:01 – What the fuck do I think I am doing?
0:46:02 This is bad.
0:46:03 This is not cool.
0:46:07 By myself, I ate five meals.
0:46:09 I’m at this point where I’m like,
0:46:12 almost vomiting in the middle of sleep.
0:46:14 Is this gonna be Friday night for the rest of my life?
0:46:16 It was a weird feeling.
0:46:19 And so I just woke up that next morning
0:46:21 and I told Heather, I was like, I’m done for a bit.
0:46:22 I’m just done for a bit.
0:46:24 And that lasted four months.
0:46:24 – That’s amazing.
0:46:26 – Yeah, it was just, I’m done for a bit.
0:46:28 It wasn’t, I’m never drinking again.
0:46:30 It was just, that was an experience
0:46:31 that I don’t wanna have again.
0:46:33 And then the holidays came around
0:46:35 and it was like Thanksgiving.
0:46:36 And I was like, ah, then we saw some family.
0:46:38 And then we were like, ah, and I was like,
0:46:39 and then we literally saw some family
0:46:40 and it was a wine tasting.
0:46:42 And I was like, I can have a glass of wine.
0:46:43 Like I would sip people’s wine.
0:46:46 It wasn’t like, it was allergic to alcohol
0:46:47 or it was like very anti.
0:46:50 And then it was just like, not like back into it,
0:46:52 but it’s just hard.
0:46:54 Like we always say, well, it’s just not gonna drink
0:46:54 during the week.
0:46:57 And then one of us, I mean, it’s a little bit like,
0:46:59 it’s hard with both of us and no kids, right?
0:47:00 ‘Cause then it’s like.
0:47:01 – Well, it gets harder with kids, dude.
0:47:02 – Oh, well, yeah, I get that.
0:47:03 – Because then you’re just like,
0:47:05 you’re dealing with chaos at this age.
0:47:06 – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:47:08 – And then it’s like, okay, you know,
0:47:11 Dariah gets done with a really like long day
0:47:13 and helps put them to sleep, like to be fair.
0:47:16 Like she, mama is more important than dad at this age.
0:47:19 And they lean on her more for a lot of the stuff.
0:47:21 And you know, she’ll come down
0:47:22 and pop a bottle of champagne or something.
0:47:25 And she’ll be like, you want a glass?
0:47:29 And I’m just like, glass, the cool thing I will say
0:47:34 is that I don’t ever drink to like where I’m like a hammered.
0:47:39 Like I’m a kind of like 2.5 drink person, 2.75.
0:47:40 – Interesting, okay.
0:47:43 I drink a bottle of red wine almost every night.
0:47:44 – Oh, shit.
0:47:46 – And it barely affects me.
0:47:47 – That’s amazing. – At this point.
0:47:48 – Yeah.
0:47:49 – I’m curious what your liver enzymes look like.
0:47:50 – Probably good.
0:47:51 – Yeah.
0:47:52 – I think probably really good.
0:47:53 – We talked about this before that show.
0:47:54 We’re gonna do a whole makeup on you.
0:47:56 We’re gonna do your A4B test.
0:48:00 – I am a head in the sand.
0:48:00 – I know.
0:48:02 – I mean, do you remember when I first got–
0:48:03 – High cholesterol.
0:48:04 – High cholesterol?
0:48:05 We were in Austin.
0:48:06 – You were like 22 or something.
0:48:07 – Yeah, thankfully, I was a little bit older.
0:48:08 But you remember we were in Austin.
0:48:09 – I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
0:48:11 – I didn’t order fries.
0:48:14 I was me thinking I was gonna knock that out of the way.
0:48:17 But then I lost a bunch of weight somewhere in there.
0:48:18 And my cholesterol was fine.
0:48:20 – Yeah, but dude, we gotta get your A4B tested
0:48:23 and LP Little A as well.
0:48:25 For people that are curious, go get those tests.
0:48:26 That’s very important.
0:48:27 – Yeah.
0:48:28 – We’ll get you on the program.
0:48:33 – Hey man, I’m happy to learn all the things about the things.
0:48:34 – There’s lots of things to learn.
0:48:36 – Yeah, so I did four months.
0:48:37 – That’s amazing.
0:48:40 I hear that at three months, it gets a lot easier.
0:48:45 – I will say, if it hadn’t been for a wine tasting event–
0:48:48 – Stam wine tasting.
0:48:51 – With family, I get it.
0:48:53 Had it been a wine tasting event with other people,
0:48:53 you know what I mean?
0:48:56 Probably would have been able to not go, you know what I mean?
0:48:57 To be fair.
0:48:59 There’s a world in which I would have
0:49:00 gotten through the holidays.
0:49:02 ‘Cause I got through a lot of things that I’ve,
0:49:03 ’cause that’s the thing with not drinking
0:49:07 is there’s so many reasons to drink.
0:49:09 – Well, it’s funny, ’cause I–
0:49:10 – This is a perfect example.
0:49:11 – This is embarrassing,
0:49:14 but I’ve read a couple of those cut back on drinking books.
0:49:15 It’s not embarrassing.
0:49:17 I’m really allowed to say that, I guess.
0:49:18 – What would be embarrassing about that?
0:49:21 – Well, it’s just like people,
0:49:24 there’s a stigma around having a problem around alcohol.
0:49:26 And like, for me, I’ve always been like,
0:49:29 can I cut back to, like, my Dr. Peter Tia is like,
0:49:31 okay, he’s always told me like, you know,
0:49:34 five or less drinks a week is like where you wanna be at.
0:49:35 – Well, a week.
0:49:36 – Yeah.
0:49:37 – I thought you were gonna say at night,
0:49:39 and I’m like, I’m in.
0:49:41 Four glasses gets you a bottle, that’s good.
0:49:44 – But like, you know, it’s one of those things
0:49:47 where when you read the literature on it,
0:49:50 and it’s like, I just, it’s pretty poison.
0:49:52 It’s pretty bad for your body.
0:49:53 – Yeah.
0:49:57 – Yeah, so, but it’s hard because you are not used
0:49:59 to these social situations.
0:49:59 – Yeah.
0:50:01 – Where like, when I was doing this, you know,
0:50:04 45 days of being sober, I went to several like,
0:50:07 you know, functions that were like networking events
0:50:08 or get together or whatever.
0:50:11 And you have to like, relearn a muscle
0:50:13 or build a muscle that you didn’t have,
0:50:15 because you were so used to being hammered.
0:50:16 – Social networking.
0:50:17 – Oh, 100%.
0:50:18 – Yeah.
0:50:20 – Dude, I went to this crazy dinner
0:50:22 where I shit you not, and I learned a bunch of crazy shit,
0:50:25 but like, I was sitting next to the CTO of Microsoft.
0:50:27 This was like a month and a half ago.
0:50:27 – Yeah.
0:50:29 – And dude, he used to be like a fan.
0:50:30 – What?
0:50:32 – Yeah, he’s the most tech TV and shit, like fall-
0:50:33 – Amazing.
0:50:36 – I was like, oh, there was some, like, I didn’t even know.
0:50:37 – That’s amazing.
0:50:37 – Yeah, it was so cool.
0:50:38 He’s a really nice guy.
0:50:40 His name’s Kevin, he’s a super nice guy,
0:50:42 but nobody was drinking at the table.
0:50:43 And like, but they were serving wine.
0:50:45 There’s like one guy that had like a half glass of wine.
0:50:46 – Interesting.
0:50:48 – And I was like, do I want to be the guy
0:50:50 that was like giving me a glass of wine, you know?
0:50:53 And so I didn’t do it, but it was challenging
0:50:55 because I was surrounded by like the other like four or five
0:50:58 people were all just like, you know,
0:51:01 I would put them on the top tech pedestal
0:51:03 in terms of people.
0:51:05 And I was just like, it’s a nerve-wracking thing.
0:51:06 – Of course, 100%.
0:51:09 – ‘Cause like, you know, and there’s no easier way
0:51:10 to get relaxed, obviously.
0:51:11 – 100%.
0:51:13 – You’re an alcohol or heroin, and it’s just like–
0:51:15 – It’s just like, no, I don’t drink.
0:51:17 – Roll out, it’s like heroin.
0:51:18 – Exactly.
0:51:19 I was just kidding about that.
0:51:20 I’ve never tried heroin.
0:51:22 Anyway, should we shoot a Dignation?
0:51:23 – Yeah, fuck it.
0:51:24 – Let’s do it.
0:51:24 – Yeah.