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0:00:13 I’m Guy Kawasaki and this is Remarkable People.
0:00:16 Helping me today is Olivia Juliana.
0:00:19 She is a fierce Gen Z activist.
0:00:22 She champions equality and justice.
0:00:28 She has mobilized millions of people to defend civil rights across the United States.
0:00:35 What began as posting TikTok voting guides exploded into activism to preserve democracy,
0:00:40 preserve LGBTQ+ rights, and prevent climate change.
0:00:46 She has led a crowdfunding effort that raised over $2.5 million for abortion access after
0:00:49 a congressman attempted to publicly shame her.
0:00:55 Intimately familiar with mockery over her identities, Olivia wears her queer “woman
0:00:57 of color” status proudly.
0:01:04 Olivia symbolizes the rising tide of progressive youth wielding their choices and voices.
0:01:08 She proves that real change comes by turning pain into purpose.
0:01:19 I’m Guy Kawasaki, this is Remarkable People, and now here is the Remarkable Olivia Juliana.
0:01:23 Are you or anyone you know affected by this DACA ruling?
0:01:28 I don’t know anyone personally who’s been affected by it, most of my family have been
0:01:35 here for a couple generations now, but just reading about it, it’s so disheartening,
0:01:41 and on the one side, whenever I see something like this, I’m deeply upset by it because
0:01:48 it’s like, how are we going to continue to not treat people with basic dignity and humanity?
0:01:53 But the other side of me feels, I don’t think that relief is the right word, but it’s
0:02:00 I have this sense of I know it’s going to be okay because of how much politics has shifted
0:02:07 in terms of the amount of organizing and voter education I think is increasing as time goes
0:02:08 on.
0:02:12 I think that people are becoming more and more aware of what’s going on, and I think
0:02:16 that people are going to start actively fighting because of things like this more and more
0:02:20 than we’ve seen in the past, and so I’m hoping that this is now going to become a legislative
0:02:26 priority going into the next election cycle, not just for the president, but I hope that
0:02:31 it becomes an election priority for all of the people who are running for Congress of
0:02:37 understanding this needs to be a top line agenda item is immigration reform that is
0:02:43 coming from a lens of compassion and dignity rather than espousing great replacement theory
0:02:47 talking points that we hear so often from people on the Republican side of the aisle.
0:02:55 I’m fundamentally a marketing person, and forget that I’m like as blue as can possibly
0:03:01 be, but just intellectually, it just doesn’t make sense to me that you would say, okay,
0:03:09 so the population of America is getting more and more non white, I say, and women are getting
0:03:12 to be more and more powerful.
0:03:19 So why don’t we go and piss off all the women and all the Latinos, Latinas, and all the black
0:03:20 people.
0:03:21 That’s our future.
0:03:22 That’s our marketing strategy.
0:03:25 Piss off all the people who are growing and important.
0:03:27 I just don’t understand.
0:03:32 Yeah, and you bring it like a marketing strategy is I also think that we need to talk about
0:03:40 it from an economic point of view, which is America does not have the birth rates to meet
0:03:44 the work field that we are going to need in the next coming years.
0:03:50 And if we don’t have immigration, our economy is going to crash.
0:03:54 That is an undeniable fact that if we do not have people immigrating to the United States,
0:03:57 our economy is going to suffer.
0:04:01 And so you’re pissing off your constituency.
0:04:06 And now you’re trying to pass policies that actively hurt the economy, and I don’t think
0:04:09 people are pointing that fact out enough.
0:04:14 It’s contradictory and it doesn’t make sense, but it’s not because the their priority is
0:04:15 winning elections.
0:04:21 Their priority is upholding patriarchy and white supremacy and class inequality.
0:04:25 That’s why they’re not making sense is because all those other things don’t matter.
0:04:29 It’s about keeping their donors rich, about keeping themselves in power and about oppressing
0:04:34 people ultimately at the end of the day.
0:04:39 Thank you for explaining that to me because that was above my pay grade.
0:04:41 I need to get a little personal here.
0:04:49 Have you wrapped your head around a sitting congressman twice your age trying to humiliate
0:04:50 you?
0:04:52 How do you deal with something like that?
0:04:54 Oh, I was fine.
0:05:02 I think that and I’ve talked about this often is I think a lot of folks victimized me throughout
0:05:08 that story and I’m so humbled by people empathizing with me and being concerned, but I knew what
0:05:09 I was doing.
0:05:10 I work in politics.
0:05:16 At the time I was working at a youth led nonprofit as a political director and I baited Matt Gates.
0:05:21 I was just surprised that he actually took the bait and throughout that entire thing
0:05:23 I put out the original tweet.
0:05:27 I knew that if he saw it it would piss him off, but that’s what I wanted to do because
0:05:32 I wanted him to take the bite because I knew we’d be able to turn it to something positive.
0:05:36 I just didn’t think that he would be stupid enough to do it in such a dumb way.
0:05:44 I thought maybe I’d get a tweet but a whole speech and all this stuff and talking to reporters.
0:05:52 I don’t think that he navigated it as politically savvy as he could, but I always knew that’s
0:05:53 what I was going to do.
0:05:59 I was ready to go and take that and run into the stratosphere and this is why when this
0:06:05 all happened I got on Twitter and I said “thanks Matt Gates, you handed me a national platform
0:06:10 on a silver platter where I can now talk to the world about abortion rights in the year
0:06:14 that Roe was overturned” and that’s what happened.
0:06:18 I think it’s not just grasping with the fact that the sitting member of Congress came after
0:06:19 me.
0:06:20 I’ve grasped that.
0:06:21 That doesn’t surprise me.
0:06:23 People in the Freedom Caucus are literally children.
0:06:31 They don’t understand basic marketing or governmental functions, but what I still have trouble grasping
0:06:35 is how big of a story it actually was.
0:06:40 I know that we raised a lot of money but I have trouble acknowledging this was not just
0:06:42 a story that made headlines here.
0:06:46 This is a story that was written about all over the world.
0:06:52 There were articles in India, there are articles that were written in Dutch, Spanish, Australia.
0:07:01 It was a global story and I still don’t fully grasp that and it’s reflected in my social
0:07:05 media following analytics for my comments and it’s like why do I have so many people
0:07:11 from Canada and the United Kingdom and Australia following me and it’s because of that story
0:07:13 and I think it’s absolutely insane.
0:07:17 In other words you could not have planned it better.
0:07:18 I would say that.
0:07:20 I would say that’s fair to say.
0:07:22 So that dumbass did you a favor.
0:07:23 Exactly.
0:07:35 But as a technique, would you care to shed some light on how to make zingers?
0:07:38 Because man, you wiped the floor with him.
0:07:43 So you got any insights how to wipe the floor with people on social media?
0:07:47 I mean with people like Matt Gaetz, he’s an easy target.
0:07:50 He’s an alleged pedophile.
0:07:53 He has a horrible track record legislatively.
0:07:58 I mean the bottom line is typically I don’t like to resort to name calling or juvenile
0:07:59 tactics.
0:08:00 Keep it classy.
0:08:03 I don’t need to say that you’re a stupid idiot.
0:08:08 I think I would much rather be like okay Matt Gaetz, you are an alleged pedophile, you
0:08:14 are an ineffective lawmaker who has not been able to pass any notable pieces of legislation
0:08:18 in your tenure even though you’re a nepo baby who got your position because your dad has
0:08:20 money in a political position.
0:08:27 I’ve always found that the intellectual insults are so much more poignant and jabby than the
0:08:30 other ones and people are very receptive to them.
0:08:32 And Matt Gaetz wasn’t the first person who I’ve had run-ins with.
0:08:38 I had run-ins with the now impeached Attorney General of Texas Ken Paxton.
0:08:40 I’ve had run-ins with Governor Glenn Yonkin.
0:08:46 I was routinely ratioing Mark Wayne, Nick Mullen, and all these other Republicans talking
0:08:50 about like you can’t say this because you voted no on this bill.
0:08:53 It’s just holding them accountable with their own actions I found is the most effective
0:09:01 way to get these people to shut up or to swing the political hammer in your favor.
0:09:08 You are their worst nightmare, I mean you are just everything that they stand against
0:09:09 basically.
0:09:11 I am.
0:09:15 That’s why we wanted you so bad on this podcast.
0:09:18 I actually talked about this, there’s an LA Times article out there that talks about
0:09:22 this exactly where the journalist asked me, she was like what do you think and I was like
0:09:26 I think that everything they say is projection.
0:09:30 I think the right specifically people like in the Freedom Caucus are constantly talking
0:09:34 about people they’re hypersensitive, they’re offended easily, they’re all these things
0:09:37 and I think that is just a confession on themselves.
0:09:42 They’re constantly whining about these culture war issues that nobody cares about because
0:09:44 it’s easier to do that than to actually do their job.
0:09:50 I think that people who are affiliated with me and like me, we’re a lot tougher than
0:09:54 these people are and I’ve faced battles a lot tougher than Matt Gaetz name calling me
0:10:01 in my life, that’s not a big deal to me and so I think ultimately they’re the whiny little
0:10:03 snowflakes that they like to say that we are.
0:10:06 I think that they’re thin skinned and that they can’t handle the heat.
0:10:12 So are you saying basically on a day to day basis the stupidity and the hatred you deal
0:10:16 with, it just rolls off your back and it energizes you?
0:10:17 Absolutely.
0:10:23 Hate comments regardless of who they’re from really do not bother me at all.
0:10:26 And how did you get to that point?
0:10:32 I grew up a plus size closeted Mexican girl in rural Texas, like I’ve been bullied since
0:10:39 I was like five years old and I don’t know what happened and especially being like Mexican
0:10:42 and anyone who’s Latino who hears this will agree with me.
0:10:46 When you’re a Mexican, the meanest people to you are your own family members.
0:10:53 I have been conditioned for this since I was a child, I would be at Christmas dinner and
0:10:57 my grandparents would be saying the most ruthless things to me.
0:11:01 Every insecurity that someone tries to point out at me online, my ideas have been pointing
0:11:03 out since I was five years old.
0:11:05 I’m like, I’m built for this.
0:11:06 It’s genetics.
0:11:09 I was built to take this kind of criticism.
0:11:16 Olivier, if this activism thing doesn’t work out, you should go up into, you should go
0:11:17 into stand up comedy.
0:11:19 I see a future for you.
0:11:24 Maybe sometimes I feel like working in activism and politics, I am doing stand up comedy because
0:11:30 I’m working with clowns constantly on the other side.
0:11:36 One of my theories in life is that a sense of humor is one of the most dependable signs
0:11:38 of intelligence.
0:11:39 I agree with that.
0:11:43 I think that we need more politicians who have a sense of humor.
0:11:47 I think it humanizes them and I think it makes people feel like they can open up and talk
0:11:49 about this kind of stuff more.
0:11:52 I think this goes back to a point I made a little bit earlier about, there are a lot
0:11:56 of Republicans out there who like me and it’s because most of the time I respond to a lot
0:11:58 of the criticism with humor.
0:12:03 I had a guy on Twitter the other day, he was trying to body shame me and I was like, alright,
0:12:04 that’s great Tommy.
0:12:06 Why don’t you come meet me in the weight room?
0:12:07 Let’s go work out together.
0:12:09 And I’m serious, let’s do it.
0:12:10 Let’s race.
0:12:12 I’ve challenged people to races.
0:12:14 I’ve challenged people to arm wrestling matches.
0:12:18 I’m like, if you wouldn’t be about it, then be about it because I’m about it and I can
0:12:19 do it.
0:12:23 What are we doing here?
0:12:25 I love when you talk gates.
0:12:31 I’m 5’11”, 6’4″ in heels and I do that because I want people like you to feel as small as
0:12:33 you are or something like that, right?
0:12:34 Yep.
0:12:40 What I thought it was, I wear them to remind small men like you of your place and it works.
0:12:41 It’s true.
0:12:46 I wear heels often in politics and it really does affect the way that men in politics treat
0:12:47 me.
0:12:48 This is a real thing.
0:12:49 It’s like a secret weapon.
0:12:53 I’ve said this before, in heels, I am taller than Ted Cruz.
0:12:58 If I ever meet him in person, I will actually be able to physically look down on him.
0:13:04 This is a real thing that I have consistently held to be a true fact.
0:13:09 I would pay to see that.
0:13:14 So you can look down on him both physically and intellectually, right?
0:13:15 Exactly.
0:13:17 You might have to go to Cancun to see him.
0:13:20 Yeah, Lord knows he’s not facing his constituents.
0:13:26 We’re going to really digress because I can just tell you’re that kind of person we can
0:13:27 digress.
0:13:30 I went to the University of Houston, which is not exactly Ivy League.
0:13:32 I don’t mean that as an insult.
0:13:33 That’s just a statement of fact.
0:13:37 But you ever wonder, this Pendejo, he went to Harvard Law School.
0:13:42 He went to Yale and Holly Gates.
0:13:44 All these people went to Ivy League schools.
0:13:48 Do you ever wonder what the hell happens to people in Ivy League schools?
0:13:49 Here’s the thing.
0:13:55 I actually think that Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley are very intelligent people.
0:13:56 That’s the thing.
0:13:58 They are very, very smart.
0:14:06 I think that we do a disservice and downplay how dangerous they actually are when we act
0:14:09 as if they don’t know what they’re doing.
0:14:15 Like Ted Cruz is a moron if you’re somebody who is inside of politics.
0:14:20 If you’re somebody who, I call it inside or baseball, if you’re somebody who is in politics
0:14:22 and you’re listening to what you have to say, you’re like, this guy has no idea what he’s
0:14:23 talking about.
0:14:27 The reality is Ted Cruz did go to an Ivy League university.
0:14:28 He clerked for a Supreme Court justice.
0:14:31 He’s a very intelligent man.
0:14:36 He just chooses to act like he is not.
0:14:41 Because if he acts like he’s not, then we don’t see him as a legitimate threat when
0:14:50 the reality is Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley are voracious at right-wing legislative strategy
0:14:56 and helping enact horrible policies that harm people, both federally and on a state level
0:14:58 on a consulting basis.
0:15:02 So that being said, I go to University of Houston, Victoria, I go to a satellite campus.
0:15:07 It’s not an Ivy League school by any means, but I think that’s just more reflective on
0:15:15 the fact that more people like me who have our political experience from tangible ground
0:15:22 work and growing up feeling policy failure need to be empowered so that we can say,
0:15:26 I don’t have a silver spoon in my mouth like some of these people and I see what they’re
0:15:31 doing and this is wrong and we need to do something to fix that.
0:15:35 So that being said, I think Ted Cruz is a very dangerous person.
0:15:38 I don’t think that he is just this moron who does silly stuff.
0:15:44 I think he’s really good at, okay, like yeah, Ted Cruz is online screaming about Bud Light
0:15:48 because he wants to get brownie points, but it’s okay, but let’s talk about the fact
0:15:54 that there are 7,000 Anheuser-Busch jobs in his constituency that he’s not taking into
0:15:55 account.
0:15:59 That is dangerous and it’s not because he’s not thinking about it.
0:16:02 It’s because he just doesn’t care to an aside.
0:16:10 Well, Olivia, you’re trying to tell me that I should believe that Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley
0:16:17 are so smart, that they purposely are doing what is seemingly stupid.
0:16:18 Don’t take it from me.
0:16:19 Take it from Mitt Romney.
0:16:24 Like this Atlantic Article that came out last night about Mitt Romney’s biography, Mitt
0:16:29 Romney says he believes Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley to be two of the smartest people in
0:16:36 government and I think we’ve come to a point at least when it comes to very basic principles
0:16:41 and morals, I’m willing to listen to Mitt Romney when it comes to things like that because
0:16:48 he’s shown, I think, when it comes to basic foundations of government and of the constitution
0:16:51 that he’s willing to be on the right side of history.
0:16:55 So I’ll listen to him when he says that and I’ve thought that for a very long time.
0:17:00 I don’t think that somebody like Ted Cruz gets to the position that he’s been in by
0:17:01 failing upwards.
0:17:06 I think that he’s calculated and I think something else and you know, actually I’m so glad that
0:17:08 you brought this up.
0:17:13 Something that a lot of people don’t talk about is the fact that both Josh Hawley and
0:17:19 Ted Cruz have brilliant women behind them.
0:17:25 Ted Cruz’s wife is a Goldman Sachs bank-affiliated person who is largely known for being the
0:17:28 blunt of his political operation.
0:17:35 Josh Hawley’s wife is a very powerful attorney who argues anti-abortion cases in front of
0:17:36 the federal government.
0:17:40 Both of these men are not just legislators in the U.S. Senate.
0:17:45 They are married to very intelligent women who are also having conversations with them
0:17:50 about how to act in the U.S. Senate and no one ever talks about that.
0:17:56 These women have extremely successful careers that they are using and yielding to make these
0:18:02 men act on their behalf legislatively, on top of their own intentions while they hold
0:18:04 these positions of power.
0:18:09 Okay, Olivia, going forward, I’ll tell people that I believe that both of them are highly
0:18:15 intelligent with highly intelligent wives, but I really don’t believe that.
0:18:22 But it’s safer to say that and be wrong than to say they’re stupid and be wrong.
0:18:24 I think that’s very fair.
0:18:35 I think that’s a fair thing to say.
0:18:36 Here’s a funny story.
0:18:41 So I’m writing a book called “Think Remarkable” and it reflects the 200 interviews that I’ve
0:18:46 had for this podcast, as well as my 40 years of experience.
0:18:50 And along the way, I met this teacher named Kelly Gibson.
0:18:56 She’s a public school teacher outside of Oregon, 2,500-person city.
0:19:01 And she is one of the most remarkable people I’ve met in this podcast.
0:19:05 So I gave her the draft of the book and she comes back to me.
0:19:07 She goes, “You know, guy, I read the first half of your book.
0:19:12 I’m telling you, my students do not know anybody you cited.
0:19:13 They don’t know Jane Goodall.
0:19:15 They don’t know Kristi Amaguchi.
0:19:18 They don’t know Ronnie Lawd, Brandy Chastain.
0:19:19 They don’t know Waz.
0:19:21 They don’t know all these people.”
0:19:25 And I said, “Who am I supposed to get that they will pick up the book and say, ‘Shit,
0:19:27 I got to read this book?'”
0:19:29 And you know who she said?
0:19:30 Olivia Giuliana.
0:19:31 You’re kidding.
0:19:32 No, no, no.
0:19:38 And then, so first of all, I just to show you how open and transparent are.
0:19:41 I had to say, “Who is Olivia Giuliana?”
0:19:44 This is three months ago, okay?
0:19:47 And then I did research on you and I said, “Holy shit.
0:19:49 I could see why.
0:19:51 I could see why.”
0:19:53 That’s when we went on this mission to get you.
0:20:00 So I’m telling you all this because in my mind, you represent Gen Z for Baboomer here,
0:20:01 okay?
0:20:03 So you’re bringing me out of the dark ages.
0:20:09 So I want to know, what are the two or three most important issues to Gen Z?
0:20:15 This is a very layered question and I think that this plays into something that I think
0:20:23 is an inherent problem within democratic politics, is youth are often seen as a monolith.
0:20:30 And I think that there is this cookie cutter idea of, okay, if we want to empower Gen Z,
0:20:34 then we’re going to talk about abortion, gun violence, climate change.
0:20:37 That’s our messaging for them.
0:20:42 And I think that a lot of times that’s crafted around polling that comes out about young
0:20:45 people who were already voters.
0:20:52 And the reality is that there are millions of young people out there who are not politically
0:20:57 engaged because people are not meeting them where they are and they are not talking to
0:21:00 them about the issues that matter most to them.
0:21:05 That being said, I think that young people, young people are not just young people.
0:21:11 Young people are students, their parents, their workers, their renters, their union
0:21:18 organizers, their abortion rights activists, their caretakers for their family.
0:21:24 I think in the same way that we don’t treat millennials or Gen Xers or boomers as a monolith,
0:21:27 we understand the diversity in them.
0:21:32 We have to start understanding the diversity of young people and in particular the diversity
0:21:33 of Gen Z.
0:21:38 This is the most racially diverse, politically diverse, ideologically diverse generation we’ve
0:21:45 seen in a really long time and a lot of that is based in the different experiences our
0:21:48 generation has had compared to other generations.
0:21:53 So a sentence that I often say that people are mind blown about when they’re older is,
0:21:57 I have never lived in a world where 9/11 did not happen.
0:21:59 I was born after 9/11.
0:22:05 I was born into a world where the war on terror had already started, where I was growing up
0:22:11 in the midst of economic recessions, the election of Barack Obama with the plague of school
0:22:15 shootings and then you see a lot of people in my generation and our most on our most
0:22:21 formative years pre-adulted in high school, we’re taken out of school by a global pandemic.
0:22:26 So we’ve faced all these extremely unique generational issues, a lot of which are caused
0:22:30 by policy failure or policy inaction.
0:22:34 And then we’re told to just go live our lives in adulthood where it’s become increasingly
0:22:38 more difficult to afford a home, where it’s become increasingly more difficult to get
0:22:40 a college education.
0:22:44 And so we have no choice but to be politically engaged.
0:22:48 And for those who aren’t politically engaged, I think it’s not because they don’t care.
0:22:51 I think it’s because they don’t think it’ll make a difference.
0:22:58 And so when it comes to understanding Gen Z, the core principle is understanding that
0:23:03 we can’t just keep treating young people like they’re young people because the reality is
0:23:08 Gen Z at our age where we currently at are the most civically engaged generation we have
0:23:12 ever seen politically in terms of voting and in terms of voter education.
0:23:15 I know that was a very broad answer.
0:23:16 Let’s get out of the theoretical, right?
0:23:20 Joe Biden calls you up and says, Hey, I saw your post on threads.
0:23:22 How you said I’m a great president.
0:23:25 Help me get reelected, Olivia.
0:23:27 Come on board my campaign.
0:23:32 And you tell Joe Biden, of course, you say yes, but then what do you do?
0:23:33 What do you tell Joe Biden?
0:23:36 This is how to lock and load Gen Z.
0:23:43 I told Joe Biden to talk about, one, the contrast between what he has done and what
0:23:45 Republicans are doing and want to do.
0:23:50 So I say, okay, you need to talk about how all these major pieces of legislation that
0:23:54 you’ve passed affect the lives of young people.
0:23:58 You need to have young people talking about how it affects the lives of young people.
0:24:03 And so the story that I tangible use often is I was able to go to my first year of college.
0:24:08 I went to a community college because of the American Rescue Plan.
0:24:12 The American Rescue Plan paid my tuition my entire freshman year of college and gave me
0:24:17 enough money afterwards to buy my textbooks and supplies I needed for school.
0:24:19 That was done because of the American Rescue Plan.
0:24:25 It was also done because Democrats in the omnibus bill expanded Pell Grants.
0:24:30 You need to talk about the tangible legislative things that you have done to help Americans
0:24:35 and help them understand that the changes that they’ve seen either in their education
0:24:38 or community have come from legislation that you have passed.
0:24:41 That’s the first thing you would do.
0:24:46 The second thing you would do is we have to talk to young people about the economy.
0:24:52 And I actually had a meeting in the White House a couple of months ago where I specifically
0:24:57 said we need a youth economic agenda that is concentrated in this country.
0:24:59 Don’t talk about the economy broadly.
0:25:04 I need you to set forward specifically how you are going to economically empower young
0:25:09 people and how you have already laid the groundwork to do that because they have.
0:25:14 If we are real rebuilding the infrastructure in our communities, that affects the longevity
0:25:19 of young people going into older adulthood in terms of where are you going to establish
0:25:20 your family.
0:25:23 If we are talking about Pell Grant expansion, if we are talking about student loan forgiveness,
0:25:26 these are things that have already started happening economically.
0:25:28 The foundation has been laid.
0:25:30 You need to expand on it now.
0:25:32 You laid the bricks down.
0:25:35 Now we need to talk about how you are going to build the house and what you are going
0:25:36 to put inside of it.
0:25:40 So I would say talk about how are we going to empower young people in the economy because
0:25:46 it’s really hard to say hey, the economy is in great standing when there are a lot of
0:25:50 folks who can’t pay their rent and there are a lot of folks who are having trouble buying
0:25:51 groceries.
0:25:56 I understand as a political, I know that that’s not Joe Biden’s fault.
0:25:59 I know our supply chains are recovering from COVID.
0:26:04 I know that a lot of state legislatures are responsible for the issues that we are seeing
0:26:06 like low minimum wages.
0:26:09 I know that but it’s because that’s my job to know that.
0:26:16 You need to communicate what we need to do in order to empower people more financially
0:26:21 especially young people who are entering adulthood and I think that we are going to see more
0:26:26 executive action coming before the presidential election to do that but he has a record to
0:26:27 run on.
0:26:31 This isn’t 2020 where he is saying oh I am going to do all this for young people.
0:26:36 This is 2023 where he has already done things.
0:26:38 This is not about getting him to do things.
0:26:44 This is about marketing the fact that he has already started and if we want this progress
0:26:48 to continue we have to put him back in the White House and not just put him back in the
0:26:53 White House but I think the third thing and I think that this is the most crucial not
0:26:58 just for young people but for politics in general is getting people to understand the
0:27:02 dynamics of intergovernmental work.
0:27:08 We need people to understand that in order for us to rebuild our roads, to rebuild our
0:27:14 schools, to tangibly better our community that we are living in every day.
0:27:16 We need Joe Biden in the White House.
0:27:19 We need Democratic governors in the governor’s mansion.
0:27:22 We need state legislatures that are controlled by Democrats.
0:27:28 We need city councils and county commissions and mayors that are going to fulfill this
0:27:34 agenda and let that federal money run all the way down the stream until we can tangibly
0:27:36 see it in our community.
0:27:41 We need elected officials and people who are campaigning to talk about how they are going
0:27:46 to work with the elected officials that we see all the time in our communities to make
0:27:47 our lives better.
0:27:52 If I’m a regular person chances are I’m never going to meet Joe Biden but if I’m a regular
0:27:57 person living in Fort Bend County, Texas, there’s a good chance that I’m going to meet
0:28:02 my county commissioner or my county judge and I need to know that they’re going to be
0:28:08 able to take the funding that has been passed through Joe Biden’s White House and implement
0:28:11 changes in my community that I want to see done.
0:28:14 Okay, can I just ask you a dumb question?
0:28:15 Sure.
0:28:18 Have you ever had your IQ tested?
0:28:19 No.
0:28:25 I’m telling you, you are frickin’ men’s of material.
0:28:27 Thank you.
0:28:31 Olivia, you mark my words.
0:28:34 You will win a MacArthur Fellowship.
0:28:37 I’m going to be honest with you, I don’t know what that is.
0:28:42 When they call you up and they say you’ve won a MacArthur Fellowship, you call me up
0:28:46 and I’ll explain it to you.
0:28:51 In the things that you just listed, none of them were, you know, talk smack about the
0:28:54 GOP, what they’re trying to do to you.
0:28:59 So are you saying keep the message Joe, completely positive, don’t talk about they took away
0:29:04 your abortion rights, they took away black history, they took away this?
0:29:10 No, I have a very basic equation that I have for all political issues, which is problem
0:29:12 plus hope equals change.
0:29:19 The problem is that a Donald Trump Supreme Court overturn Roe vs. Wade, that’s the problem.
0:29:25 The hope is that we elect two or three more Democratic senators who will abolish the filibuster
0:29:32 and codify Roe v. Wade through the United States Congress and put that bill onto the
0:29:36 desk of President Joe Biden and the changes we codify Roe v. Wade.
0:29:40 The problem is that Republicans are banning books in school.
0:29:46 The hope is that we have state boards of education and governor’s elections that are going to
0:29:50 happen that are going to change the dynamic of power to where then public schools are
0:29:53 no longer being attacked and books aren’t being banned.
0:29:56 You can’t just run campaigns based on fear.
0:30:01 Running campaigns based on fear is a Republican strategy that works because the Republican
0:30:05 Party is propped up by fear and propped up by oppression.
0:30:10 The Democratic Party is not propped up by fear and oppression, it’s propped up by hope
0:30:12 and systemic change.
0:30:16 And so we have to run on, here’s the problem and here’s how we’re going to fix it, because
0:30:20 if we run just on fear, we will lose every single time.
0:30:25 You are just a quote machine, my God, it’s like everything comes out of your mouth is
0:30:26 quotable.
0:30:29 Thank you, I try.
0:30:31 I want to meet your grandparents.
0:30:36 Here’s the funny thing, actually, I am an ideological anomaly in my family, I’m the
0:30:38 only Democrat.
0:30:42 Every person in my family is a conservative and the person who really has shaped my political
0:30:45 mind is my dad.
0:30:51 My dad is a John McCain Republican, I grew up in a very conservative Christian household,
0:30:55 Fox and Friends on the news every single morning, watched every single presidential election
0:31:01 all through my childhood, I self-identified as a Republican until I was about 14, and
0:31:06 when I got to high school, my freshman year is when Trump was sworn in.
0:31:12 And I joined my debate class and I had to start researching these fictional topics, but
0:31:16 I had to be able to argue both sides of the issue.
0:31:19 When I started doing that, I started realizing so many of the political things that I had
0:31:24 been taught were not factually correct, and I started switching and then eventually as
0:31:27 time went on, I became a Democrat.
0:31:34 But my dad, to this day, is the reason why I’m so voracious at understanding democratic
0:31:38 politics and understanding politics in general because my dad was a political science major
0:31:43 in college, but he ended up having to drop out of school to raise his family because
0:31:48 my mom got pregnant and he got hurt, he was on a football scholarship, so my dad had to
0:31:55 drop out of college, but he always kept and instilled in me that democracy and civic engagement
0:31:59 is extremely important and you need to be informed on it, to the point of, I think I
0:32:04 was a freshman or sophomore in high school and there was a school board election in my
0:32:07 city, and our city was totally flooded.
0:32:11 Our front yard was covered in water, it had just rained and rained and rained and rained,
0:32:16 and I watched my dad put on, I think they’re called Gators, which is a very country way
0:32:22 of saying, basically big rubber boots that go to your midsection, and he carried me to
0:32:25 the truck so that he could go vote in that school board election.
0:32:30 That is the level of importance around democracy and politics that has been instilled in me
0:32:32 from a very young age by my father.
0:32:39 Just FYI, we interviewed someone named John Conyers a few weeks ago, and he lived in the
0:32:46 projects, both parents crack addicts, and he joined the debate team in his high school,
0:32:51 became very close to his debate team coach, and that changed the arc of his life, so there’s
0:32:53 something to be said for debate.
0:33:01 You open another door for me, which is, can you explain to me how any Latino people can
0:33:04 be hardcore conservatives?
0:33:10 That just boggles my mind. Trump is saying that Latinos are rapists and murderers. How
0:33:14 can any Latino people possibly support somebody who says that?
0:33:19 I think it’s a much deeper, larger issue than people think.
0:33:24 Number one, the idea that there is a large swath of Latinos out there that are diehard
0:33:29 Republican voters is just factually incorrect. The data doesn’t match that. I think it is
0:33:35 a talking point that is pushed to try to change that narrative, because even if you look at
0:33:40 the governor’s election that just happened here in Texas last year, Greg Abbott had his
0:33:45 celebration in South Texas, which is predominantly Latino, but the reality is that South Texas
0:33:51 overwhelmingly voted blue in that election, but as far as what goes, when we take immigration
0:33:58 out of the equation, if we’re talking about what matters to Latinos the most in terms of
0:34:07 maybe older Latinos who are raised in more conservative areas, it tends to be the economy.
0:34:13 What we’ve seen happen, and I believe that this is again a tool of white supremacy, is
0:34:20 we have seen marginalized communities be turned against each other in the name of upholding
0:34:26 white supremacy. I think that’s reflected by the census, and if you’re like, what does
0:34:35 that mean? In the US census, in the racial categories, if you are somebody who is Latino,
0:34:40 you are considered to be white. But if you look at my father and you look at my family
0:34:46 members, it is very evident that they are not white people. They are not white. They do
0:34:51 not benefit from white privilege. They are darker skinned people who face the discrimination
0:34:58 based on that fact. But because of how white supremacy operates, when it feels its power
0:35:05 weakening, it expands. So that’s why if you look back to when America was found and all
0:35:10 this stuff, all of these ethnic groups were discriminated against. Latinos were discriminated
0:35:14 against, black Americans were discriminated against, Native Americans were discriminated
0:35:20 against, but as coalitions of communities of color started to work together, it was
0:35:26 then necessary for white supremacy to maintain its power for it to expand its scope. And
0:35:33 that includes bringing in Latino demographics to continue to establish their power. When
0:35:39 we talk about how can Mexican people support this, I think that plays a part in it is there
0:35:45 is a perception to some Latinos that they’re in the inside. Like they’re part of the in-game.
0:35:50 Like we’re not like the other marginalized communities. But I think that there’s this
0:35:57 other part of it that I’ve seen in my own family of I came here legally and I didn’t
0:36:04 have help and I had to struggle and scrape by to get to where I am. So I don’t think
0:36:09 that anyone else should have it easier than I did. And I think that’s this toxic mentality
0:36:14 that doesn’t just affect the Latino community, but affects older generations as well. They
0:36:18 think, well, if I had to struggle, everybody else did too. And I don’t think that you shouldn’t
0:36:22 have had to struggle. You shouldn’t have had to deal with all those things. So I think
0:36:29 a lot of it is based in wanting proximity to power. I think that it is the fact that
0:36:34 for one, I don’t think that the Democratic Party has done near as much genuine outreach
0:36:40 to Latino as they should. But I also think a lot of it is based in this kind of idea
0:36:46 of why you should have to work too. So it’s a very complex issue, but the reality is most
0:36:51 Latino people are Democrats. They vote for Democrats. And for those who don’t vote, because
0:36:55 there are a lot of Latinos out there who do not vote, I think it’s because people haven’t
0:37:00 asked them to. They haven’t asked. They assume. And I think that that’s a larger problem in
0:37:05 Democratic politics in general is the assumption that marginalized communities will vote for
0:37:11 you. I don’t think that that’s true. I think that every voter should be campaigned to every
0:37:17 voter should have a genuine dialogue and opportunities open to them. And I think that if we start
0:37:20 seeing that more and more, and I think we have started seeing that more than more. And someone
0:37:25 who I point to who I think did a great job was Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania, the more
0:37:28 and more engaged, I think we’ll see these communities start to be.
0:37:36 So for boomers who in my mind, we blew it. And now it’s your turn. Me and Mitt Romney,
0:37:43 we agree on that. It is your turn to run this country. So what can boomers like me do to
0:37:44 help you?
0:37:50 So first, I think for a context, we have to understand that, yes, I work in politics now,
0:37:57 like this is my job, but I started in abortion activism work. The history of the abort anti-abortion
0:38:04 movement is that organizers before Ronald Reagan was elected president, started organizing
0:38:10 in city councils and state legislatures. They started local in organizing the anti-abortion
0:38:16 movement. And now we’ve seen that scale up to nationally anti-abortion organizing. And
0:38:21 it was successful. They worked for 50 years to get Roe v. Wade overturned. On the counter
0:38:28 side of that, I think in order to counteract a lot of the things that we’ve seen, we have
0:38:33 to tackle it from a federal perspective, but we also have to invest in long-term local
0:38:38 organizing for older folks who what can we do to make a difference? I think what you
0:38:44 can do to make a difference always is financially, obviously, if you have money, giving the federal
0:38:48 candidates is really important. Yeah, I don’t think that Joe Biden is exactly hurting for
0:38:55 cash, but I know a lot of state legislators in Texas, North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee,
0:39:01 Arizona that are strapped that are running an elections that could be winnable if they
0:39:07 had the money, but they don’t. So I think start investing in local races across the
0:39:13 country, state legislators, city councils, county commissions. I think that there is
0:39:22 a real opportunity for Democrats to set the precedent now, so that 20, 30 years from
0:39:31 now, because mark my words, 20 to 30 years from now, there will be another surge of right
0:39:36 wing extremism. And we need to build the foundation now to be able to counteract that.
0:39:42 And I say that because books are being taken out of schools. The history of the children
0:39:50 are being taught is different than what actually happened. We are actively seeing history be
0:39:55 whitewashed and parts of it be erased in public schools. It’s happening in Florida right now.
0:40:04 On top of that, social media has led to the radicalization of a large swath, multi-generational
0:40:12 swath of men becoming radicalized to accept and espouse white supremacist ideas, patriarchal
0:40:19 ideas and classist ideas. And I fundamentally believe that 20 to 30 years from now, when
0:40:25 these teenagers and these children who are seeing these things online, who are being
0:40:31 radicalized, who are not being taught the truth about history, come to a voting age and come
0:40:36 to the age that they are the people who are in representative jobs, like they are the
0:40:40 candidates running for these offices. We are going to have to combat that. And I’ve said
0:40:47 that I fully believe that we are going to have another Ronald Reagan-like era happen
0:40:52 if we do not set the foundation to counteract it right now. It’s not just about combating
0:40:58 Republican extremism that we are seeing in the year of 2023. It is about setting the
0:41:03 foundation and a protective layer around democracy for the issues that we are going
0:41:09 to see in 2053. Up next on Remarkable People. All through high school, I was raised in a
0:41:13 single parent household. You know, my dad was the one taking care of me. Throughout
0:41:18 my childhood, I faced, if it’s an issue, you can think of, I dealt with it. I dealt with
0:41:25 watching people in my immediate family deal with drug addiction. I watched my parents
0:41:31 freak out financially. I’ve been evicted from multiple houses for my childhood. Even
0:41:35 into high school, I didn’t know how I was going to pay for college. Become a little
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0:41:59 So what’s the Olivia Giuliana top three tips in utilizing social media to effectuate change?
0:42:06 Number one is, I think that a broad coalition is best. I think we see this online a lot
0:42:13 is the left online at least eats our own a lot. And I’m guilty of this. I’ve done in
0:42:19 the past and I’ve reflected on this. I think that whether you are somebody who is more
0:42:25 ideologically aligned with Joe Biden, whether you are somebody who is more ideologically
0:42:31 aligned with Bernie Sanders, or whether you are somebody who is more ideologically aligned
0:42:38 with Stacey Abrams or Elizabeth Warren. At the end of the day, we all agree on the core
0:42:46 tenements. We agree public education should be protected. We agree that individuals should
0:42:51 have the ability to make decisions about their own body. We agree that we should make voting
0:42:57 easier. We agree that immigrants should be treated with humanity and dignity. We agree
0:43:07 about all these things. And I think if we don’t cast a broad net, then we are hurting
0:43:12 more than we are helping. I think that we understand we can have these kind of dynamic
0:43:17 conversations, but I think that there is so much. I’m right. You’re wrong. That’s not
0:43:23 how we affect change. That is not how we organize together. So number one is cast to cast a
0:43:28 wide net. Don’t alienate people because you disagree on the semantics, even though you
0:43:36 disagree on the core principles. Number two is be clear about what it is you want to accomplish.
0:43:41 If I want to fundraise for abortion, then I’m going to just flat out say I’m fundraising
0:43:46 for abortion because Matt Gaetz attacked me. I’m not going to say, “Oh, I support abortion.
0:43:52 That’s it.” Every single time you have attention, that is an opportunity to catalyze change.
0:43:59 Every single time I’ve had eyes on me, I’ve thrown it to do something else. So for example,
0:44:02 when the Matt Gaetz thing happened, which I baited him, which is another strategy that
0:44:06 you can use if you’d like, which is baiting prominent members of Congress and the Freedom
0:44:14 Caucus. It’s too easy. When I had the attention, I did two things. A lot of people talk about
0:44:22 the abortion fundraising. Not a lot of people talk about the fact that I actively took that
0:44:28 to highlight races and elections that were important to the pro-choice movement. I put
0:44:34 out a letter with a list of elections that I thought were fundamentally important to
0:44:42 protecting abortion rights across the country. So I had Tony Evers, JV Pritzker, Josh Shapiro,
0:44:49 Stacey Abrams, Beto O’Rourke, Charlie Christ, Val Demings, John Fetterman. I had a laundry
0:44:54 list of people. And each state that I put on there, it had the Senate candidate or the
0:45:00 governor candidate, Attorney General Lieutenant Governor, every single one of them. And then
0:45:05 from there, it made people look into these races. Okay, this girl who’s doing this abortion
0:45:10 work is talking about that’s probably important. We saw, I have had candidates tell me that
0:45:17 after I put those letters out, they saw a surge in volunteers and a surge in donations.
0:45:22 Because when you have attention, don’t just use it as, okay, I’m going to use this attention
0:45:28 for narrative change, use it for narrative change and tangible change, direct people
0:45:32 to an action, because people want to help, they want to do something, but they don’t
0:45:37 know how. And that would lead me to the third point, which is when you do have an action,
0:45:42 make sure that it’s something that people can do. So it’s easy for me to ask people
0:45:47 to donate to abortion funds. It’s easy for me to ask people to text bank for candidates
0:45:52 like Raphael Warlock. That’s easy. And because it’s an easier ask, people are more inclined
0:45:57 to do it. Even if the ask is retweeting to raise awareness, retweet this so that we have
0:46:02 people understand that this is an issue we need to be paying attention to. Always ask
0:46:08 people for something and make the ask as easy as you possibly can. And the fourth thing
0:46:14 is be honest and intentional about what it is you’re trying to do and how it’s going
0:46:19 to tangibly affect people’s lives. I’m trying to think of a good example for this. Okay.
0:46:25 Use your personal stories to motivate people to do stuff. On my birthday last year, I
0:46:29 was turning 20 years old. I have this audience. It’s okay. What am I going to do? On my birthday
0:46:33 last year, Raphael Warlock was running for reelection in the U.S. Senate. He had a runoff
0:46:40 election. I said, okay, guys, I’m turning 20. If you want to give me a birthday present,
0:46:46 donate to Senator Warlock’s reelection campaign. Just from doing that on my socials, asking
0:46:52 people to send me a birthday present, I was able to raise $55,000 for Raphael Warlock’s
0:46:58 campaign. I think that the key is keep your coalition broad, have tangible actions that
0:47:05 are easy tied to your messaging, and use your personal relatable stories to motivate people.
0:47:08 And then you will be able to create tangible change.
0:47:17 What is the essence of Olivia Giuliana? How do people wrap their mind around you? What
0:47:28 are you? Honestly, I think that the last couple of years of my life have not been anything
0:47:36 I ever expected them to be. I think that my childhood shaped a lot of who I am as a person
0:47:43 and as an individual. Like I said, I grew up working class, kid, rural Texas. My parents
0:47:48 got divorced when I was 14. All through high school, I was raised in a single parent household.
0:47:54 My dad was the one taking care of me. Throughout my childhood, if it’s an issue, you can think
0:47:59 of, I dealt with it. I dealt with watching people in my immediate family deal with drug
0:48:06 addiction. I dealt with watching my dad having to ration insulin because he couldn’t afford
0:48:14 his medication. I watched my teachers work second jobs to be able to continue to teach.
0:48:21 I watched my parents freaked out financially. I’ve been evicted from multiple houses through
0:48:26 my childhood. Even into high school, I didn’t know how I was going to pay for college. I
0:48:32 was accepted to a couple of really good schools because I worked my ass off in high school
0:48:37 because no one in my immediate family has a college degree. Two of my sisters had to
0:48:43 drop out of high school to take care of not just our family but of themselves. I worked
0:48:48 my ass off through high school senior year on a four-point skill. I had a 3.68 GPA. I
0:48:54 was class president, senior student council president, FCA president, yearbook editor,
0:48:58 prom queen. I did every extracurricular I could think of. I took every AP class that
0:49:04 was available to me to work my ass off to maybe have the possibility of going to a school
0:49:09 like rice, of going to a school like Baylor, going to a school like UT, and at the end
0:49:14 of the day I couldn’t do it because I couldn’t afford it. I couldn’t afford to go to those
0:49:23 schools and so I enrolled in community college and I let what had been for my entire childhood,
0:49:29 the dream I had, slip away because I knew it was not realistic for me to attain. And
0:49:33 so through my childhood and through my own experiences and also listening to the experience
0:49:40 of my grandfather, growing up they were so poor that they literally had dirt floors in
0:49:46 their house. My grandfather telling me stories of living along the banks of the Rio Grande
0:49:50 River as a kid and how they would sleep in the trees because they didn’t have anywhere
0:49:56 else to go. And so listening to him and then my lived experiences of watching all these
0:50:00 things and then all the generational experiences I’ve had I think have kind of shaped me into
0:50:08 who I am today. And I think that the core of who I am and what I do is I’m a fourth
0:50:15 generation Texan. My family has been here for over a hundred years and I’ve watched
0:50:22 how hard they have worked to establish themselves here and how hard my grandparents worked and
0:50:29 my great grandparents worked to make something of themselves and their families. And I love
0:50:34 my home, I love where I’m from and I can’t give up on it. I think a lot of people look
0:50:40 at me as oh she’s in politics like my number one priority always has and always will be
0:50:48 to make Texas what my great grandparents believed it was when they immigrated here. They immigrated
0:50:56 here because they saw Texas as a ticket to their American dream and I don’t think that
0:51:01 they ever got in the position to achieve it. And so I talk about Texas being important
0:51:07 to me. One of the most famous politicians and icons to ever come out of Texas was Congresswoman
0:51:12 Barbara Jordan and she was the first black woman from the South elected to Congress.
0:51:18 She was on the committee that impeached Nixon and held his feet to the fire and she is just
0:51:24 this powerhouse and she has this quote where she says I believe it is in the soil and spirit
0:51:30 of Texas that gives me the ability as an individual to accomplish anything. That’s not exactly
0:51:36 it, I’m paraphrasing, but I often say my great grandparents immigrated here. They were
0:51:43 literally working in the fields to make money and to make ends meet. So it was literally
0:51:49 in the fields and in the soil of Texas that my great grandparents planted what I call
0:51:56 the seeds of my American dream which is the fact that a girl who grew up in rural Texas
0:52:02 who couldn’t afford to go to college in the span of two or three years has now met the
0:52:08 president of the United States, has had meetings in the White House and I’ve gone from not
0:52:14 having any idea if I’d economically survive and have a future not just in politics but
0:52:20 just in life. I was in college to be a teacher before all this happened. But now I am financially
0:52:27 secure. I have a seat at the table and I can fight for the Texas and the America that my
0:52:32 grandparents envisioned when they came here because of the work that not only my family
0:52:38 did but generations of activists and organizers have been fighting to achieve. So in the essence
0:52:46 of who is Olivia Juliana, I’m just a young woman who really loves her home and really
0:52:53 loves her family and wants to give people the opportunities and fulfill the promise
0:53:01 that America itself made in the Constitution to all people. Let me be perfectly clear.
0:53:08 I think that people like Olivia Juliana are going to save the United States. If not democracy
0:53:17 in general. I’m Guy Kawasaki. This is Remarkable People. We’re on a mission to make you remarkable.
0:53:23 Speaking of, Madison and I have completed a book called Think Remarkable. Nine paths
0:53:30 to transform your life and make a difference. One of the people featured in our book is,
0:53:37 of course, Olivia Juliana. We hope that you’ll check it out. I guarantee you it will help
0:53:44 you make a difference and be remarkable. Now let me thank the rest of the Remarkable People
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0:54:22 you transform your life and make a difference. Until next time, mahalo and aloha.
0:00:16 Helping me today is Olivia Juliana.
0:00:19 She is a fierce Gen Z activist.
0:00:22 She champions equality and justice.
0:00:28 She has mobilized millions of people to defend civil rights across the United States.
0:00:35 What began as posting TikTok voting guides exploded into activism to preserve democracy,
0:00:40 preserve LGBTQ+ rights, and prevent climate change.
0:00:46 She has led a crowdfunding effort that raised over $2.5 million for abortion access after
0:00:49 a congressman attempted to publicly shame her.
0:00:55 Intimately familiar with mockery over her identities, Olivia wears her queer “woman
0:00:57 of color” status proudly.
0:01:04 Olivia symbolizes the rising tide of progressive youth wielding their choices and voices.
0:01:08 She proves that real change comes by turning pain into purpose.
0:01:19 I’m Guy Kawasaki, this is Remarkable People, and now here is the Remarkable Olivia Juliana.
0:01:23 Are you or anyone you know affected by this DACA ruling?
0:01:28 I don’t know anyone personally who’s been affected by it, most of my family have been
0:01:35 here for a couple generations now, but just reading about it, it’s so disheartening,
0:01:41 and on the one side, whenever I see something like this, I’m deeply upset by it because
0:01:48 it’s like, how are we going to continue to not treat people with basic dignity and humanity?
0:01:53 But the other side of me feels, I don’t think that relief is the right word, but it’s
0:02:00 I have this sense of I know it’s going to be okay because of how much politics has shifted
0:02:07 in terms of the amount of organizing and voter education I think is increasing as time goes
0:02:08 on.
0:02:12 I think that people are becoming more and more aware of what’s going on, and I think
0:02:16 that people are going to start actively fighting because of things like this more and more
0:02:20 than we’ve seen in the past, and so I’m hoping that this is now going to become a legislative
0:02:26 priority going into the next election cycle, not just for the president, but I hope that
0:02:31 it becomes an election priority for all of the people who are running for Congress of
0:02:37 understanding this needs to be a top line agenda item is immigration reform that is
0:02:43 coming from a lens of compassion and dignity rather than espousing great replacement theory
0:02:47 talking points that we hear so often from people on the Republican side of the aisle.
0:02:55 I’m fundamentally a marketing person, and forget that I’m like as blue as can possibly
0:03:01 be, but just intellectually, it just doesn’t make sense to me that you would say, okay,
0:03:09 so the population of America is getting more and more non white, I say, and women are getting
0:03:12 to be more and more powerful.
0:03:19 So why don’t we go and piss off all the women and all the Latinos, Latinas, and all the black
0:03:20 people.
0:03:21 That’s our future.
0:03:22 That’s our marketing strategy.
0:03:25 Piss off all the people who are growing and important.
0:03:27 I just don’t understand.
0:03:32 Yeah, and you bring it like a marketing strategy is I also think that we need to talk about
0:03:40 it from an economic point of view, which is America does not have the birth rates to meet
0:03:44 the work field that we are going to need in the next coming years.
0:03:50 And if we don’t have immigration, our economy is going to crash.
0:03:54 That is an undeniable fact that if we do not have people immigrating to the United States,
0:03:57 our economy is going to suffer.
0:04:01 And so you’re pissing off your constituency.
0:04:06 And now you’re trying to pass policies that actively hurt the economy, and I don’t think
0:04:09 people are pointing that fact out enough.
0:04:14 It’s contradictory and it doesn’t make sense, but it’s not because the their priority is
0:04:15 winning elections.
0:04:21 Their priority is upholding patriarchy and white supremacy and class inequality.
0:04:25 That’s why they’re not making sense is because all those other things don’t matter.
0:04:29 It’s about keeping their donors rich, about keeping themselves in power and about oppressing
0:04:34 people ultimately at the end of the day.
0:04:39 Thank you for explaining that to me because that was above my pay grade.
0:04:41 I need to get a little personal here.
0:04:49 Have you wrapped your head around a sitting congressman twice your age trying to humiliate
0:04:50 you?
0:04:52 How do you deal with something like that?
0:04:54 Oh, I was fine.
0:05:02 I think that and I’ve talked about this often is I think a lot of folks victimized me throughout
0:05:08 that story and I’m so humbled by people empathizing with me and being concerned, but I knew what
0:05:09 I was doing.
0:05:10 I work in politics.
0:05:16 At the time I was working at a youth led nonprofit as a political director and I baited Matt Gates.
0:05:21 I was just surprised that he actually took the bait and throughout that entire thing
0:05:23 I put out the original tweet.
0:05:27 I knew that if he saw it it would piss him off, but that’s what I wanted to do because
0:05:32 I wanted him to take the bite because I knew we’d be able to turn it to something positive.
0:05:36 I just didn’t think that he would be stupid enough to do it in such a dumb way.
0:05:44 I thought maybe I’d get a tweet but a whole speech and all this stuff and talking to reporters.
0:05:52 I don’t think that he navigated it as politically savvy as he could, but I always knew that’s
0:05:53 what I was going to do.
0:05:59 I was ready to go and take that and run into the stratosphere and this is why when this
0:06:05 all happened I got on Twitter and I said “thanks Matt Gates, you handed me a national platform
0:06:10 on a silver platter where I can now talk to the world about abortion rights in the year
0:06:14 that Roe was overturned” and that’s what happened.
0:06:18 I think it’s not just grasping with the fact that the sitting member of Congress came after
0:06:19 me.
0:06:20 I’ve grasped that.
0:06:21 That doesn’t surprise me.
0:06:23 People in the Freedom Caucus are literally children.
0:06:31 They don’t understand basic marketing or governmental functions, but what I still have trouble grasping
0:06:35 is how big of a story it actually was.
0:06:40 I know that we raised a lot of money but I have trouble acknowledging this was not just
0:06:42 a story that made headlines here.
0:06:46 This is a story that was written about all over the world.
0:06:52 There were articles in India, there are articles that were written in Dutch, Spanish, Australia.
0:07:01 It was a global story and I still don’t fully grasp that and it’s reflected in my social
0:07:05 media following analytics for my comments and it’s like why do I have so many people
0:07:11 from Canada and the United Kingdom and Australia following me and it’s because of that story
0:07:13 and I think it’s absolutely insane.
0:07:17 In other words you could not have planned it better.
0:07:18 I would say that.
0:07:20 I would say that’s fair to say.
0:07:22 So that dumbass did you a favor.
0:07:23 Exactly.
0:07:35 But as a technique, would you care to shed some light on how to make zingers?
0:07:38 Because man, you wiped the floor with him.
0:07:43 So you got any insights how to wipe the floor with people on social media?
0:07:47 I mean with people like Matt Gaetz, he’s an easy target.
0:07:50 He’s an alleged pedophile.
0:07:53 He has a horrible track record legislatively.
0:07:58 I mean the bottom line is typically I don’t like to resort to name calling or juvenile
0:07:59 tactics.
0:08:00 Keep it classy.
0:08:03 I don’t need to say that you’re a stupid idiot.
0:08:08 I think I would much rather be like okay Matt Gaetz, you are an alleged pedophile, you
0:08:14 are an ineffective lawmaker who has not been able to pass any notable pieces of legislation
0:08:18 in your tenure even though you’re a nepo baby who got your position because your dad has
0:08:20 money in a political position.
0:08:27 I’ve always found that the intellectual insults are so much more poignant and jabby than the
0:08:30 other ones and people are very receptive to them.
0:08:32 And Matt Gaetz wasn’t the first person who I’ve had run-ins with.
0:08:38 I had run-ins with the now impeached Attorney General of Texas Ken Paxton.
0:08:40 I’ve had run-ins with Governor Glenn Yonkin.
0:08:46 I was routinely ratioing Mark Wayne, Nick Mullen, and all these other Republicans talking
0:08:50 about like you can’t say this because you voted no on this bill.
0:08:53 It’s just holding them accountable with their own actions I found is the most effective
0:09:01 way to get these people to shut up or to swing the political hammer in your favor.
0:09:08 You are their worst nightmare, I mean you are just everything that they stand against
0:09:09 basically.
0:09:11 I am.
0:09:15 That’s why we wanted you so bad on this podcast.
0:09:18 I actually talked about this, there’s an LA Times article out there that talks about
0:09:22 this exactly where the journalist asked me, she was like what do you think and I was like
0:09:26 I think that everything they say is projection.
0:09:30 I think the right specifically people like in the Freedom Caucus are constantly talking
0:09:34 about people they’re hypersensitive, they’re offended easily, they’re all these things
0:09:37 and I think that is just a confession on themselves.
0:09:42 They’re constantly whining about these culture war issues that nobody cares about because
0:09:44 it’s easier to do that than to actually do their job.
0:09:50 I think that people who are affiliated with me and like me, we’re a lot tougher than
0:09:54 these people are and I’ve faced battles a lot tougher than Matt Gaetz name calling me
0:10:01 in my life, that’s not a big deal to me and so I think ultimately they’re the whiny little
0:10:03 snowflakes that they like to say that we are.
0:10:06 I think that they’re thin skinned and that they can’t handle the heat.
0:10:12 So are you saying basically on a day to day basis the stupidity and the hatred you deal
0:10:16 with, it just rolls off your back and it energizes you?
0:10:17 Absolutely.
0:10:23 Hate comments regardless of who they’re from really do not bother me at all.
0:10:26 And how did you get to that point?
0:10:32 I grew up a plus size closeted Mexican girl in rural Texas, like I’ve been bullied since
0:10:39 I was like five years old and I don’t know what happened and especially being like Mexican
0:10:42 and anyone who’s Latino who hears this will agree with me.
0:10:46 When you’re a Mexican, the meanest people to you are your own family members.
0:10:53 I have been conditioned for this since I was a child, I would be at Christmas dinner and
0:10:57 my grandparents would be saying the most ruthless things to me.
0:11:01 Every insecurity that someone tries to point out at me online, my ideas have been pointing
0:11:03 out since I was five years old.
0:11:05 I’m like, I’m built for this.
0:11:06 It’s genetics.
0:11:09 I was built to take this kind of criticism.
0:11:16 Olivier, if this activism thing doesn’t work out, you should go up into, you should go
0:11:17 into stand up comedy.
0:11:19 I see a future for you.
0:11:24 Maybe sometimes I feel like working in activism and politics, I am doing stand up comedy because
0:11:30 I’m working with clowns constantly on the other side.
0:11:36 One of my theories in life is that a sense of humor is one of the most dependable signs
0:11:38 of intelligence.
0:11:39 I agree with that.
0:11:43 I think that we need more politicians who have a sense of humor.
0:11:47 I think it humanizes them and I think it makes people feel like they can open up and talk
0:11:49 about this kind of stuff more.
0:11:52 I think this goes back to a point I made a little bit earlier about, there are a lot
0:11:56 of Republicans out there who like me and it’s because most of the time I respond to a lot
0:11:58 of the criticism with humor.
0:12:03 I had a guy on Twitter the other day, he was trying to body shame me and I was like, alright,
0:12:04 that’s great Tommy.
0:12:06 Why don’t you come meet me in the weight room?
0:12:07 Let’s go work out together.
0:12:09 And I’m serious, let’s do it.
0:12:10 Let’s race.
0:12:12 I’ve challenged people to races.
0:12:14 I’ve challenged people to arm wrestling matches.
0:12:18 I’m like, if you wouldn’t be about it, then be about it because I’m about it and I can
0:12:19 do it.
0:12:23 What are we doing here?
0:12:25 I love when you talk gates.
0:12:31 I’m 5’11”, 6’4″ in heels and I do that because I want people like you to feel as small as
0:12:33 you are or something like that, right?
0:12:34 Yep.
0:12:40 What I thought it was, I wear them to remind small men like you of your place and it works.
0:12:41 It’s true.
0:12:46 I wear heels often in politics and it really does affect the way that men in politics treat
0:12:47 me.
0:12:48 This is a real thing.
0:12:49 It’s like a secret weapon.
0:12:53 I’ve said this before, in heels, I am taller than Ted Cruz.
0:12:58 If I ever meet him in person, I will actually be able to physically look down on him.
0:13:04 This is a real thing that I have consistently held to be a true fact.
0:13:09 I would pay to see that.
0:13:14 So you can look down on him both physically and intellectually, right?
0:13:15 Exactly.
0:13:17 You might have to go to Cancun to see him.
0:13:20 Yeah, Lord knows he’s not facing his constituents.
0:13:26 We’re going to really digress because I can just tell you’re that kind of person we can
0:13:27 digress.
0:13:30 I went to the University of Houston, which is not exactly Ivy League.
0:13:32 I don’t mean that as an insult.
0:13:33 That’s just a statement of fact.
0:13:37 But you ever wonder, this Pendejo, he went to Harvard Law School.
0:13:42 He went to Yale and Holly Gates.
0:13:44 All these people went to Ivy League schools.
0:13:48 Do you ever wonder what the hell happens to people in Ivy League schools?
0:13:49 Here’s the thing.
0:13:55 I actually think that Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley are very intelligent people.
0:13:56 That’s the thing.
0:13:58 They are very, very smart.
0:14:06 I think that we do a disservice and downplay how dangerous they actually are when we act
0:14:09 as if they don’t know what they’re doing.
0:14:15 Like Ted Cruz is a moron if you’re somebody who is inside of politics.
0:14:20 If you’re somebody who, I call it inside or baseball, if you’re somebody who is in politics
0:14:22 and you’re listening to what you have to say, you’re like, this guy has no idea what he’s
0:14:23 talking about.
0:14:27 The reality is Ted Cruz did go to an Ivy League university.
0:14:28 He clerked for a Supreme Court justice.
0:14:31 He’s a very intelligent man.
0:14:36 He just chooses to act like he is not.
0:14:41 Because if he acts like he’s not, then we don’t see him as a legitimate threat when
0:14:50 the reality is Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley are voracious at right-wing legislative strategy
0:14:56 and helping enact horrible policies that harm people, both federally and on a state level
0:14:58 on a consulting basis.
0:15:02 So that being said, I go to University of Houston, Victoria, I go to a satellite campus.
0:15:07 It’s not an Ivy League school by any means, but I think that’s just more reflective on
0:15:15 the fact that more people like me who have our political experience from tangible ground
0:15:22 work and growing up feeling policy failure need to be empowered so that we can say,
0:15:26 I don’t have a silver spoon in my mouth like some of these people and I see what they’re
0:15:31 doing and this is wrong and we need to do something to fix that.
0:15:35 So that being said, I think Ted Cruz is a very dangerous person.
0:15:38 I don’t think that he is just this moron who does silly stuff.
0:15:44 I think he’s really good at, okay, like yeah, Ted Cruz is online screaming about Bud Light
0:15:48 because he wants to get brownie points, but it’s okay, but let’s talk about the fact
0:15:54 that there are 7,000 Anheuser-Busch jobs in his constituency that he’s not taking into
0:15:55 account.
0:15:59 That is dangerous and it’s not because he’s not thinking about it.
0:16:02 It’s because he just doesn’t care to an aside.
0:16:10 Well, Olivia, you’re trying to tell me that I should believe that Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley
0:16:17 are so smart, that they purposely are doing what is seemingly stupid.
0:16:18 Don’t take it from me.
0:16:19 Take it from Mitt Romney.
0:16:24 Like this Atlantic Article that came out last night about Mitt Romney’s biography, Mitt
0:16:29 Romney says he believes Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley to be two of the smartest people in
0:16:36 government and I think we’ve come to a point at least when it comes to very basic principles
0:16:41 and morals, I’m willing to listen to Mitt Romney when it comes to things like that because
0:16:48 he’s shown, I think, when it comes to basic foundations of government and of the constitution
0:16:51 that he’s willing to be on the right side of history.
0:16:55 So I’ll listen to him when he says that and I’ve thought that for a very long time.
0:17:00 I don’t think that somebody like Ted Cruz gets to the position that he’s been in by
0:17:01 failing upwards.
0:17:06 I think that he’s calculated and I think something else and you know, actually I’m so glad that
0:17:08 you brought this up.
0:17:13 Something that a lot of people don’t talk about is the fact that both Josh Hawley and
0:17:19 Ted Cruz have brilliant women behind them.
0:17:25 Ted Cruz’s wife is a Goldman Sachs bank-affiliated person who is largely known for being the
0:17:28 blunt of his political operation.
0:17:35 Josh Hawley’s wife is a very powerful attorney who argues anti-abortion cases in front of
0:17:36 the federal government.
0:17:40 Both of these men are not just legislators in the U.S. Senate.
0:17:45 They are married to very intelligent women who are also having conversations with them
0:17:50 about how to act in the U.S. Senate and no one ever talks about that.
0:17:56 These women have extremely successful careers that they are using and yielding to make these
0:18:02 men act on their behalf legislatively, on top of their own intentions while they hold
0:18:04 these positions of power.
0:18:09 Okay, Olivia, going forward, I’ll tell people that I believe that both of them are highly
0:18:15 intelligent with highly intelligent wives, but I really don’t believe that.
0:18:22 But it’s safer to say that and be wrong than to say they’re stupid and be wrong.
0:18:24 I think that’s very fair.
0:18:35 I think that’s a fair thing to say.
0:18:36 Here’s a funny story.
0:18:41 So I’m writing a book called “Think Remarkable” and it reflects the 200 interviews that I’ve
0:18:46 had for this podcast, as well as my 40 years of experience.
0:18:50 And along the way, I met this teacher named Kelly Gibson.
0:18:56 She’s a public school teacher outside of Oregon, 2,500-person city.
0:19:01 And she is one of the most remarkable people I’ve met in this podcast.
0:19:05 So I gave her the draft of the book and she comes back to me.
0:19:07 She goes, “You know, guy, I read the first half of your book.
0:19:12 I’m telling you, my students do not know anybody you cited.
0:19:13 They don’t know Jane Goodall.
0:19:15 They don’t know Kristi Amaguchi.
0:19:18 They don’t know Ronnie Lawd, Brandy Chastain.
0:19:19 They don’t know Waz.
0:19:21 They don’t know all these people.”
0:19:25 And I said, “Who am I supposed to get that they will pick up the book and say, ‘Shit,
0:19:27 I got to read this book?'”
0:19:29 And you know who she said?
0:19:30 Olivia Giuliana.
0:19:31 You’re kidding.
0:19:32 No, no, no.
0:19:38 And then, so first of all, I just to show you how open and transparent are.
0:19:41 I had to say, “Who is Olivia Giuliana?”
0:19:44 This is three months ago, okay?
0:19:47 And then I did research on you and I said, “Holy shit.
0:19:49 I could see why.
0:19:51 I could see why.”
0:19:53 That’s when we went on this mission to get you.
0:20:00 So I’m telling you all this because in my mind, you represent Gen Z for Baboomer here,
0:20:01 okay?
0:20:03 So you’re bringing me out of the dark ages.
0:20:09 So I want to know, what are the two or three most important issues to Gen Z?
0:20:15 This is a very layered question and I think that this plays into something that I think
0:20:23 is an inherent problem within democratic politics, is youth are often seen as a monolith.
0:20:30 And I think that there is this cookie cutter idea of, okay, if we want to empower Gen Z,
0:20:34 then we’re going to talk about abortion, gun violence, climate change.
0:20:37 That’s our messaging for them.
0:20:42 And I think that a lot of times that’s crafted around polling that comes out about young
0:20:45 people who were already voters.
0:20:52 And the reality is that there are millions of young people out there who are not politically
0:20:57 engaged because people are not meeting them where they are and they are not talking to
0:21:00 them about the issues that matter most to them.
0:21:05 That being said, I think that young people, young people are not just young people.
0:21:11 Young people are students, their parents, their workers, their renters, their union
0:21:18 organizers, their abortion rights activists, their caretakers for their family.
0:21:24 I think in the same way that we don’t treat millennials or Gen Xers or boomers as a monolith,
0:21:27 we understand the diversity in them.
0:21:32 We have to start understanding the diversity of young people and in particular the diversity
0:21:33 of Gen Z.
0:21:38 This is the most racially diverse, politically diverse, ideologically diverse generation we’ve
0:21:45 seen in a really long time and a lot of that is based in the different experiences our
0:21:48 generation has had compared to other generations.
0:21:53 So a sentence that I often say that people are mind blown about when they’re older is,
0:21:57 I have never lived in a world where 9/11 did not happen.
0:21:59 I was born after 9/11.
0:22:05 I was born into a world where the war on terror had already started, where I was growing up
0:22:11 in the midst of economic recessions, the election of Barack Obama with the plague of school
0:22:15 shootings and then you see a lot of people in my generation and our most on our most
0:22:21 formative years pre-adulted in high school, we’re taken out of school by a global pandemic.
0:22:26 So we’ve faced all these extremely unique generational issues, a lot of which are caused
0:22:30 by policy failure or policy inaction.
0:22:34 And then we’re told to just go live our lives in adulthood where it’s become increasingly
0:22:38 more difficult to afford a home, where it’s become increasingly more difficult to get
0:22:40 a college education.
0:22:44 And so we have no choice but to be politically engaged.
0:22:48 And for those who aren’t politically engaged, I think it’s not because they don’t care.
0:22:51 I think it’s because they don’t think it’ll make a difference.
0:22:58 And so when it comes to understanding Gen Z, the core principle is understanding that
0:23:03 we can’t just keep treating young people like they’re young people because the reality is
0:23:08 Gen Z at our age where we currently at are the most civically engaged generation we have
0:23:12 ever seen politically in terms of voting and in terms of voter education.
0:23:15 I know that was a very broad answer.
0:23:16 Let’s get out of the theoretical, right?
0:23:20 Joe Biden calls you up and says, Hey, I saw your post on threads.
0:23:22 How you said I’m a great president.
0:23:25 Help me get reelected, Olivia.
0:23:27 Come on board my campaign.
0:23:32 And you tell Joe Biden, of course, you say yes, but then what do you do?
0:23:33 What do you tell Joe Biden?
0:23:36 This is how to lock and load Gen Z.
0:23:43 I told Joe Biden to talk about, one, the contrast between what he has done and what
0:23:45 Republicans are doing and want to do.
0:23:50 So I say, okay, you need to talk about how all these major pieces of legislation that
0:23:54 you’ve passed affect the lives of young people.
0:23:58 You need to have young people talking about how it affects the lives of young people.
0:24:03 And so the story that I tangible use often is I was able to go to my first year of college.
0:24:08 I went to a community college because of the American Rescue Plan.
0:24:12 The American Rescue Plan paid my tuition my entire freshman year of college and gave me
0:24:17 enough money afterwards to buy my textbooks and supplies I needed for school.
0:24:19 That was done because of the American Rescue Plan.
0:24:25 It was also done because Democrats in the omnibus bill expanded Pell Grants.
0:24:30 You need to talk about the tangible legislative things that you have done to help Americans
0:24:35 and help them understand that the changes that they’ve seen either in their education
0:24:38 or community have come from legislation that you have passed.
0:24:41 That’s the first thing you would do.
0:24:46 The second thing you would do is we have to talk to young people about the economy.
0:24:52 And I actually had a meeting in the White House a couple of months ago where I specifically
0:24:57 said we need a youth economic agenda that is concentrated in this country.
0:24:59 Don’t talk about the economy broadly.
0:25:04 I need you to set forward specifically how you are going to economically empower young
0:25:09 people and how you have already laid the groundwork to do that because they have.
0:25:14 If we are real rebuilding the infrastructure in our communities, that affects the longevity
0:25:19 of young people going into older adulthood in terms of where are you going to establish
0:25:20 your family.
0:25:23 If we are talking about Pell Grant expansion, if we are talking about student loan forgiveness,
0:25:26 these are things that have already started happening economically.
0:25:28 The foundation has been laid.
0:25:30 You need to expand on it now.
0:25:32 You laid the bricks down.
0:25:35 Now we need to talk about how you are going to build the house and what you are going
0:25:36 to put inside of it.
0:25:40 So I would say talk about how are we going to empower young people in the economy because
0:25:46 it’s really hard to say hey, the economy is in great standing when there are a lot of
0:25:50 folks who can’t pay their rent and there are a lot of folks who are having trouble buying
0:25:51 groceries.
0:25:56 I understand as a political, I know that that’s not Joe Biden’s fault.
0:25:59 I know our supply chains are recovering from COVID.
0:26:04 I know that a lot of state legislatures are responsible for the issues that we are seeing
0:26:06 like low minimum wages.
0:26:09 I know that but it’s because that’s my job to know that.
0:26:16 You need to communicate what we need to do in order to empower people more financially
0:26:21 especially young people who are entering adulthood and I think that we are going to see more
0:26:26 executive action coming before the presidential election to do that but he has a record to
0:26:27 run on.
0:26:31 This isn’t 2020 where he is saying oh I am going to do all this for young people.
0:26:36 This is 2023 where he has already done things.
0:26:38 This is not about getting him to do things.
0:26:44 This is about marketing the fact that he has already started and if we want this progress
0:26:48 to continue we have to put him back in the White House and not just put him back in the
0:26:53 White House but I think the third thing and I think that this is the most crucial not
0:26:58 just for young people but for politics in general is getting people to understand the
0:27:02 dynamics of intergovernmental work.
0:27:08 We need people to understand that in order for us to rebuild our roads, to rebuild our
0:27:14 schools, to tangibly better our community that we are living in every day.
0:27:16 We need Joe Biden in the White House.
0:27:19 We need Democratic governors in the governor’s mansion.
0:27:22 We need state legislatures that are controlled by Democrats.
0:27:28 We need city councils and county commissions and mayors that are going to fulfill this
0:27:34 agenda and let that federal money run all the way down the stream until we can tangibly
0:27:36 see it in our community.
0:27:41 We need elected officials and people who are campaigning to talk about how they are going
0:27:46 to work with the elected officials that we see all the time in our communities to make
0:27:47 our lives better.
0:27:52 If I’m a regular person chances are I’m never going to meet Joe Biden but if I’m a regular
0:27:57 person living in Fort Bend County, Texas, there’s a good chance that I’m going to meet
0:28:02 my county commissioner or my county judge and I need to know that they’re going to be
0:28:08 able to take the funding that has been passed through Joe Biden’s White House and implement
0:28:11 changes in my community that I want to see done.
0:28:14 Okay, can I just ask you a dumb question?
0:28:15 Sure.
0:28:18 Have you ever had your IQ tested?
0:28:19 No.
0:28:25 I’m telling you, you are frickin’ men’s of material.
0:28:27 Thank you.
0:28:31 Olivia, you mark my words.
0:28:34 You will win a MacArthur Fellowship.
0:28:37 I’m going to be honest with you, I don’t know what that is.
0:28:42 When they call you up and they say you’ve won a MacArthur Fellowship, you call me up
0:28:46 and I’ll explain it to you.
0:28:51 In the things that you just listed, none of them were, you know, talk smack about the
0:28:54 GOP, what they’re trying to do to you.
0:28:59 So are you saying keep the message Joe, completely positive, don’t talk about they took away
0:29:04 your abortion rights, they took away black history, they took away this?
0:29:10 No, I have a very basic equation that I have for all political issues, which is problem
0:29:12 plus hope equals change.
0:29:19 The problem is that a Donald Trump Supreme Court overturn Roe vs. Wade, that’s the problem.
0:29:25 The hope is that we elect two or three more Democratic senators who will abolish the filibuster
0:29:32 and codify Roe v. Wade through the United States Congress and put that bill onto the
0:29:36 desk of President Joe Biden and the changes we codify Roe v. Wade.
0:29:40 The problem is that Republicans are banning books in school.
0:29:46 The hope is that we have state boards of education and governor’s elections that are going to
0:29:50 happen that are going to change the dynamic of power to where then public schools are
0:29:53 no longer being attacked and books aren’t being banned.
0:29:56 You can’t just run campaigns based on fear.
0:30:01 Running campaigns based on fear is a Republican strategy that works because the Republican
0:30:05 Party is propped up by fear and propped up by oppression.
0:30:10 The Democratic Party is not propped up by fear and oppression, it’s propped up by hope
0:30:12 and systemic change.
0:30:16 And so we have to run on, here’s the problem and here’s how we’re going to fix it, because
0:30:20 if we run just on fear, we will lose every single time.
0:30:25 You are just a quote machine, my God, it’s like everything comes out of your mouth is
0:30:26 quotable.
0:30:29 Thank you, I try.
0:30:31 I want to meet your grandparents.
0:30:36 Here’s the funny thing, actually, I am an ideological anomaly in my family, I’m the
0:30:38 only Democrat.
0:30:42 Every person in my family is a conservative and the person who really has shaped my political
0:30:45 mind is my dad.
0:30:51 My dad is a John McCain Republican, I grew up in a very conservative Christian household,
0:30:55 Fox and Friends on the news every single morning, watched every single presidential election
0:31:01 all through my childhood, I self-identified as a Republican until I was about 14, and
0:31:06 when I got to high school, my freshman year is when Trump was sworn in.
0:31:12 And I joined my debate class and I had to start researching these fictional topics, but
0:31:16 I had to be able to argue both sides of the issue.
0:31:19 When I started doing that, I started realizing so many of the political things that I had
0:31:24 been taught were not factually correct, and I started switching and then eventually as
0:31:27 time went on, I became a Democrat.
0:31:34 But my dad, to this day, is the reason why I’m so voracious at understanding democratic
0:31:38 politics and understanding politics in general because my dad was a political science major
0:31:43 in college, but he ended up having to drop out of school to raise his family because
0:31:48 my mom got pregnant and he got hurt, he was on a football scholarship, so my dad had to
0:31:55 drop out of college, but he always kept and instilled in me that democracy and civic engagement
0:31:59 is extremely important and you need to be informed on it, to the point of, I think I
0:32:04 was a freshman or sophomore in high school and there was a school board election in my
0:32:07 city, and our city was totally flooded.
0:32:11 Our front yard was covered in water, it had just rained and rained and rained and rained,
0:32:16 and I watched my dad put on, I think they’re called Gators, which is a very country way
0:32:22 of saying, basically big rubber boots that go to your midsection, and he carried me to
0:32:25 the truck so that he could go vote in that school board election.
0:32:30 That is the level of importance around democracy and politics that has been instilled in me
0:32:32 from a very young age by my father.
0:32:39 Just FYI, we interviewed someone named John Conyers a few weeks ago, and he lived in the
0:32:46 projects, both parents crack addicts, and he joined the debate team in his high school,
0:32:51 became very close to his debate team coach, and that changed the arc of his life, so there’s
0:32:53 something to be said for debate.
0:33:01 You open another door for me, which is, can you explain to me how any Latino people can
0:33:04 be hardcore conservatives?
0:33:10 That just boggles my mind. Trump is saying that Latinos are rapists and murderers. How
0:33:14 can any Latino people possibly support somebody who says that?
0:33:19 I think it’s a much deeper, larger issue than people think.
0:33:24 Number one, the idea that there is a large swath of Latinos out there that are diehard
0:33:29 Republican voters is just factually incorrect. The data doesn’t match that. I think it is
0:33:35 a talking point that is pushed to try to change that narrative, because even if you look at
0:33:40 the governor’s election that just happened here in Texas last year, Greg Abbott had his
0:33:45 celebration in South Texas, which is predominantly Latino, but the reality is that South Texas
0:33:51 overwhelmingly voted blue in that election, but as far as what goes, when we take immigration
0:33:58 out of the equation, if we’re talking about what matters to Latinos the most in terms of
0:34:07 maybe older Latinos who are raised in more conservative areas, it tends to be the economy.
0:34:13 What we’ve seen happen, and I believe that this is again a tool of white supremacy, is
0:34:20 we have seen marginalized communities be turned against each other in the name of upholding
0:34:26 white supremacy. I think that’s reflected by the census, and if you’re like, what does
0:34:35 that mean? In the US census, in the racial categories, if you are somebody who is Latino,
0:34:40 you are considered to be white. But if you look at my father and you look at my family
0:34:46 members, it is very evident that they are not white people. They are not white. They do
0:34:51 not benefit from white privilege. They are darker skinned people who face the discrimination
0:34:58 based on that fact. But because of how white supremacy operates, when it feels its power
0:35:05 weakening, it expands. So that’s why if you look back to when America was found and all
0:35:10 this stuff, all of these ethnic groups were discriminated against. Latinos were discriminated
0:35:14 against, black Americans were discriminated against, Native Americans were discriminated
0:35:20 against, but as coalitions of communities of color started to work together, it was
0:35:26 then necessary for white supremacy to maintain its power for it to expand its scope. And
0:35:33 that includes bringing in Latino demographics to continue to establish their power. When
0:35:39 we talk about how can Mexican people support this, I think that plays a part in it is there
0:35:45 is a perception to some Latinos that they’re in the inside. Like they’re part of the in-game.
0:35:50 Like we’re not like the other marginalized communities. But I think that there’s this
0:35:57 other part of it that I’ve seen in my own family of I came here legally and I didn’t
0:36:04 have help and I had to struggle and scrape by to get to where I am. So I don’t think
0:36:09 that anyone else should have it easier than I did. And I think that’s this toxic mentality
0:36:14 that doesn’t just affect the Latino community, but affects older generations as well. They
0:36:18 think, well, if I had to struggle, everybody else did too. And I don’t think that you shouldn’t
0:36:22 have had to struggle. You shouldn’t have had to deal with all those things. So I think
0:36:29 a lot of it is based in wanting proximity to power. I think that it is the fact that
0:36:34 for one, I don’t think that the Democratic Party has done near as much genuine outreach
0:36:40 to Latino as they should. But I also think a lot of it is based in this kind of idea
0:36:46 of why you should have to work too. So it’s a very complex issue, but the reality is most
0:36:51 Latino people are Democrats. They vote for Democrats. And for those who don’t vote, because
0:36:55 there are a lot of Latinos out there who do not vote, I think it’s because people haven’t
0:37:00 asked them to. They haven’t asked. They assume. And I think that that’s a larger problem in
0:37:05 Democratic politics in general is the assumption that marginalized communities will vote for
0:37:11 you. I don’t think that that’s true. I think that every voter should be campaigned to every
0:37:17 voter should have a genuine dialogue and opportunities open to them. And I think that if we start
0:37:20 seeing that more and more, and I think we have started seeing that more than more. And someone
0:37:25 who I point to who I think did a great job was Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania, the more
0:37:28 and more engaged, I think we’ll see these communities start to be.
0:37:36 So for boomers who in my mind, we blew it. And now it’s your turn. Me and Mitt Romney,
0:37:43 we agree on that. It is your turn to run this country. So what can boomers like me do to
0:37:44 help you?
0:37:50 So first, I think for a context, we have to understand that, yes, I work in politics now,
0:37:57 like this is my job, but I started in abortion activism work. The history of the abort anti-abortion
0:38:04 movement is that organizers before Ronald Reagan was elected president, started organizing
0:38:10 in city councils and state legislatures. They started local in organizing the anti-abortion
0:38:16 movement. And now we’ve seen that scale up to nationally anti-abortion organizing. And
0:38:21 it was successful. They worked for 50 years to get Roe v. Wade overturned. On the counter
0:38:28 side of that, I think in order to counteract a lot of the things that we’ve seen, we have
0:38:33 to tackle it from a federal perspective, but we also have to invest in long-term local
0:38:38 organizing for older folks who what can we do to make a difference? I think what you
0:38:44 can do to make a difference always is financially, obviously, if you have money, giving the federal
0:38:48 candidates is really important. Yeah, I don’t think that Joe Biden is exactly hurting for
0:38:55 cash, but I know a lot of state legislators in Texas, North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee,
0:39:01 Arizona that are strapped that are running an elections that could be winnable if they
0:39:07 had the money, but they don’t. So I think start investing in local races across the
0:39:13 country, state legislators, city councils, county commissions. I think that there is
0:39:22 a real opportunity for Democrats to set the precedent now, so that 20, 30 years from
0:39:31 now, because mark my words, 20 to 30 years from now, there will be another surge of right
0:39:36 wing extremism. And we need to build the foundation now to be able to counteract that.
0:39:42 And I say that because books are being taken out of schools. The history of the children
0:39:50 are being taught is different than what actually happened. We are actively seeing history be
0:39:55 whitewashed and parts of it be erased in public schools. It’s happening in Florida right now.
0:40:04 On top of that, social media has led to the radicalization of a large swath, multi-generational
0:40:12 swath of men becoming radicalized to accept and espouse white supremacist ideas, patriarchal
0:40:19 ideas and classist ideas. And I fundamentally believe that 20 to 30 years from now, when
0:40:25 these teenagers and these children who are seeing these things online, who are being
0:40:31 radicalized, who are not being taught the truth about history, come to a voting age and come
0:40:36 to the age that they are the people who are in representative jobs, like they are the
0:40:40 candidates running for these offices. We are going to have to combat that. And I’ve said
0:40:47 that I fully believe that we are going to have another Ronald Reagan-like era happen
0:40:52 if we do not set the foundation to counteract it right now. It’s not just about combating
0:40:58 Republican extremism that we are seeing in the year of 2023. It is about setting the
0:41:03 foundation and a protective layer around democracy for the issues that we are going
0:41:09 to see in 2053. Up next on Remarkable People. All through high school, I was raised in a
0:41:13 single parent household. You know, my dad was the one taking care of me. Throughout
0:41:18 my childhood, I faced, if it’s an issue, you can think of, I dealt with it. I dealt with
0:41:25 watching people in my immediate family deal with drug addiction. I watched my parents
0:41:31 freak out financially. I’ve been evicted from multiple houses for my childhood. Even
0:41:35 into high school, I didn’t know how I was going to pay for college. Become a little
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0:41:50 you listen to your favorite shows. Welcome back to Remarkable People with Guy Kawasaki.
0:41:59 So what’s the Olivia Giuliana top three tips in utilizing social media to effectuate change?
0:42:06 Number one is, I think that a broad coalition is best. I think we see this online a lot
0:42:13 is the left online at least eats our own a lot. And I’m guilty of this. I’ve done in
0:42:19 the past and I’ve reflected on this. I think that whether you are somebody who is more
0:42:25 ideologically aligned with Joe Biden, whether you are somebody who is more ideologically
0:42:31 aligned with Bernie Sanders, or whether you are somebody who is more ideologically aligned
0:42:38 with Stacey Abrams or Elizabeth Warren. At the end of the day, we all agree on the core
0:42:46 tenements. We agree public education should be protected. We agree that individuals should
0:42:51 have the ability to make decisions about their own body. We agree that we should make voting
0:42:57 easier. We agree that immigrants should be treated with humanity and dignity. We agree
0:43:07 about all these things. And I think if we don’t cast a broad net, then we are hurting
0:43:12 more than we are helping. I think that we understand we can have these kind of dynamic
0:43:17 conversations, but I think that there is so much. I’m right. You’re wrong. That’s not
0:43:23 how we affect change. That is not how we organize together. So number one is cast to cast a
0:43:28 wide net. Don’t alienate people because you disagree on the semantics, even though you
0:43:36 disagree on the core principles. Number two is be clear about what it is you want to accomplish.
0:43:41 If I want to fundraise for abortion, then I’m going to just flat out say I’m fundraising
0:43:46 for abortion because Matt Gaetz attacked me. I’m not going to say, “Oh, I support abortion.
0:43:52 That’s it.” Every single time you have attention, that is an opportunity to catalyze change.
0:43:59 Every single time I’ve had eyes on me, I’ve thrown it to do something else. So for example,
0:44:02 when the Matt Gaetz thing happened, which I baited him, which is another strategy that
0:44:06 you can use if you’d like, which is baiting prominent members of Congress and the Freedom
0:44:14 Caucus. It’s too easy. When I had the attention, I did two things. A lot of people talk about
0:44:22 the abortion fundraising. Not a lot of people talk about the fact that I actively took that
0:44:28 to highlight races and elections that were important to the pro-choice movement. I put
0:44:34 out a letter with a list of elections that I thought were fundamentally important to
0:44:42 protecting abortion rights across the country. So I had Tony Evers, JV Pritzker, Josh Shapiro,
0:44:49 Stacey Abrams, Beto O’Rourke, Charlie Christ, Val Demings, John Fetterman. I had a laundry
0:44:54 list of people. And each state that I put on there, it had the Senate candidate or the
0:45:00 governor candidate, Attorney General Lieutenant Governor, every single one of them. And then
0:45:05 from there, it made people look into these races. Okay, this girl who’s doing this abortion
0:45:10 work is talking about that’s probably important. We saw, I have had candidates tell me that
0:45:17 after I put those letters out, they saw a surge in volunteers and a surge in donations.
0:45:22 Because when you have attention, don’t just use it as, okay, I’m going to use this attention
0:45:28 for narrative change, use it for narrative change and tangible change, direct people
0:45:32 to an action, because people want to help, they want to do something, but they don’t
0:45:37 know how. And that would lead me to the third point, which is when you do have an action,
0:45:42 make sure that it’s something that people can do. So it’s easy for me to ask people
0:45:47 to donate to abortion funds. It’s easy for me to ask people to text bank for candidates
0:45:52 like Raphael Warlock. That’s easy. And because it’s an easier ask, people are more inclined
0:45:57 to do it. Even if the ask is retweeting to raise awareness, retweet this so that we have
0:46:02 people understand that this is an issue we need to be paying attention to. Always ask
0:46:08 people for something and make the ask as easy as you possibly can. And the fourth thing
0:46:14 is be honest and intentional about what it is you’re trying to do and how it’s going
0:46:19 to tangibly affect people’s lives. I’m trying to think of a good example for this. Okay.
0:46:25 Use your personal stories to motivate people to do stuff. On my birthday last year, I
0:46:29 was turning 20 years old. I have this audience. It’s okay. What am I going to do? On my birthday
0:46:33 last year, Raphael Warlock was running for reelection in the U.S. Senate. He had a runoff
0:46:40 election. I said, okay, guys, I’m turning 20. If you want to give me a birthday present,
0:46:46 donate to Senator Warlock’s reelection campaign. Just from doing that on my socials, asking
0:46:52 people to send me a birthday present, I was able to raise $55,000 for Raphael Warlock’s
0:46:58 campaign. I think that the key is keep your coalition broad, have tangible actions that
0:47:05 are easy tied to your messaging, and use your personal relatable stories to motivate people.
0:47:08 And then you will be able to create tangible change.
0:47:17 What is the essence of Olivia Giuliana? How do people wrap their mind around you? What
0:47:28 are you? Honestly, I think that the last couple of years of my life have not been anything
0:47:36 I ever expected them to be. I think that my childhood shaped a lot of who I am as a person
0:47:43 and as an individual. Like I said, I grew up working class, kid, rural Texas. My parents
0:47:48 got divorced when I was 14. All through high school, I was raised in a single parent household.
0:47:54 My dad was the one taking care of me. Throughout my childhood, if it’s an issue, you can think
0:47:59 of, I dealt with it. I dealt with watching people in my immediate family deal with drug
0:48:06 addiction. I dealt with watching my dad having to ration insulin because he couldn’t afford
0:48:14 his medication. I watched my teachers work second jobs to be able to continue to teach.
0:48:21 I watched my parents freaked out financially. I’ve been evicted from multiple houses through
0:48:26 my childhood. Even into high school, I didn’t know how I was going to pay for college. I
0:48:32 was accepted to a couple of really good schools because I worked my ass off in high school
0:48:37 because no one in my immediate family has a college degree. Two of my sisters had to
0:48:43 drop out of high school to take care of not just our family but of themselves. I worked
0:48:48 my ass off through high school senior year on a four-point skill. I had a 3.68 GPA. I
0:48:54 was class president, senior student council president, FCA president, yearbook editor,
0:48:58 prom queen. I did every extracurricular I could think of. I took every AP class that
0:49:04 was available to me to work my ass off to maybe have the possibility of going to a school
0:49:09 like rice, of going to a school like Baylor, going to a school like UT, and at the end
0:49:14 of the day I couldn’t do it because I couldn’t afford it. I couldn’t afford to go to those
0:49:23 schools and so I enrolled in community college and I let what had been for my entire childhood,
0:49:29 the dream I had, slip away because I knew it was not realistic for me to attain. And
0:49:33 so through my childhood and through my own experiences and also listening to the experience
0:49:40 of my grandfather, growing up they were so poor that they literally had dirt floors in
0:49:46 their house. My grandfather telling me stories of living along the banks of the Rio Grande
0:49:50 River as a kid and how they would sleep in the trees because they didn’t have anywhere
0:49:56 else to go. And so listening to him and then my lived experiences of watching all these
0:50:00 things and then all the generational experiences I’ve had I think have kind of shaped me into
0:50:08 who I am today. And I think that the core of who I am and what I do is I’m a fourth
0:50:15 generation Texan. My family has been here for over a hundred years and I’ve watched
0:50:22 how hard they have worked to establish themselves here and how hard my grandparents worked and
0:50:29 my great grandparents worked to make something of themselves and their families. And I love
0:50:34 my home, I love where I’m from and I can’t give up on it. I think a lot of people look
0:50:40 at me as oh she’s in politics like my number one priority always has and always will be
0:50:48 to make Texas what my great grandparents believed it was when they immigrated here. They immigrated
0:50:56 here because they saw Texas as a ticket to their American dream and I don’t think that
0:51:01 they ever got in the position to achieve it. And so I talk about Texas being important
0:51:07 to me. One of the most famous politicians and icons to ever come out of Texas was Congresswoman
0:51:12 Barbara Jordan and she was the first black woman from the South elected to Congress.
0:51:18 She was on the committee that impeached Nixon and held his feet to the fire and she is just
0:51:24 this powerhouse and she has this quote where she says I believe it is in the soil and spirit
0:51:30 of Texas that gives me the ability as an individual to accomplish anything. That’s not exactly
0:51:36 it, I’m paraphrasing, but I often say my great grandparents immigrated here. They were
0:51:43 literally working in the fields to make money and to make ends meet. So it was literally
0:51:49 in the fields and in the soil of Texas that my great grandparents planted what I call
0:51:56 the seeds of my American dream which is the fact that a girl who grew up in rural Texas
0:52:02 who couldn’t afford to go to college in the span of two or three years has now met the
0:52:08 president of the United States, has had meetings in the White House and I’ve gone from not
0:52:14 having any idea if I’d economically survive and have a future not just in politics but
0:52:20 just in life. I was in college to be a teacher before all this happened. But now I am financially
0:52:27 secure. I have a seat at the table and I can fight for the Texas and the America that my
0:52:32 grandparents envisioned when they came here because of the work that not only my family
0:52:38 did but generations of activists and organizers have been fighting to achieve. So in the essence
0:52:46 of who is Olivia Juliana, I’m just a young woman who really loves her home and really
0:52:53 loves her family and wants to give people the opportunities and fulfill the promise
0:53:01 that America itself made in the Constitution to all people. Let me be perfectly clear.
0:53:08 I think that people like Olivia Juliana are going to save the United States. If not democracy
0:53:17 in general. I’m Guy Kawasaki. This is Remarkable People. We’re on a mission to make you remarkable.
0:53:23 Speaking of, Madison and I have completed a book called Think Remarkable. Nine paths
0:53:30 to transform your life and make a difference. One of the people featured in our book is,
0:53:37 of course, Olivia Juliana. We hope that you’ll check it out. I guarantee you it will help
0:53:44 you make a difference and be remarkable. Now let me thank the rest of the Remarkable People
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0:54:10 Nishimura and Luis Magana. This is your Remarkable People team. And in 2024, we’re going to help
0:54:22 you transform your life and make a difference. Until next time, mahalo and aloha.
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