Ranking 13 Of The Most Popular Ai Video Tools (Q4 2024 Tier List)

0:00:04 I’ve listed out Pika, Sora, Hotshot, Vio.
0:00:06 Just incredible to think that none of this is real.
0:00:09 Like I showed some of the videos to my son yesterday when he was like,
0:00:10 that’s not real.
0:00:14 My benchmark up until now was I like to generate various monkeys on roller skates.
0:00:19 I don’t know why, but it passes my monkey on roller skate test pretty well.
0:00:20 This one is definitely real.
0:00:21 Nobody will ever know.
0:00:26 Hey, welcome to the Next Wave podcast.
0:00:27 I’m Matt Wolf.
0:00:29 I’m here with Nathan Lanz.
0:00:32 And today we’re going to go down the AI video rabbit hole.
0:00:34 We’ve recently seen Sora.
0:00:35 We’ve seen Vio.
0:00:40 We’ve had access to Pika and Luma and all sorts of AI video tools.
0:00:43 Half of them, Nathan and I have never even touched.
0:00:47 So we decided, let’s bring on a guest who has played with all of them.
0:00:51 Put them all through the motions, knows the various differences between them.
0:00:55 And today we’ve got Tim from one of my favorite YouTube channels,
0:01:01 Theoretically Media on the show, and we’re going to go down this AI video rabbit hole.
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0:01:44 So let’s start with Pika.
0:01:49 In my mind, Pika, where I think it really shines is like some of the new effects
0:01:54 that they’ve put into it, like the ability to like cut like a cake or to like squish it
0:01:58 or like the hydraulic press, those are kind of like fun for like memes.
0:02:01 And then they also it is Pika, right?
0:02:06 That just release that new feature where you can like put your own face into videos
0:02:09 and then put yourself in like a certain sweater.
0:02:11 I haven’t really played with those features yet.
0:02:16 But what do you feel is like Pika’s winning features?
0:02:18 But what would you go to Pika for?
0:02:23 I think that lately they do seem to be kind of moving into, yeah,
0:02:27 that squish it, cut it, cake it, explode it.
0:02:31 It’s kind of more on it feels a lot more like it’s on their aiming
0:02:34 for like social kind of like fun tools.
0:02:38 But I know that’s, you know, you can upload recipes, essentially,
0:02:40 of like a person, a person, a place and a thing.
0:02:41 And then, you know, stamp them all together.
0:02:44 And then that’ll create, you know, a video.
0:02:46 But my understanding is that it’s sort of on the template side.
0:02:51 So once again, this is sort of falling into the area of like, you know,
0:02:54 just cool, quick videos to share on social.
0:02:59 Yeah. So with Pika, I really think that they’ve got like this sort of meme
0:03:04 thing down, but when I was trying to play with the newest features in there,
0:03:06 the ones where you can sort of add your own face and blend it
0:03:08 with other styles and stuff like that.
0:03:12 I was actually messing with it on a live stream earlier in the week.
0:03:16 And I could not get it to generate what I wanted to.
0:03:19 I was using like two images and then somebody’s like, Oh, it doesn’t work
0:03:21 unless you actually give it a text prompt as well.
0:03:23 So I was starting to blend it with text prompts.
0:03:26 And even then it was still giving me like really funky results.
0:03:28 And I couldn’t actually get it to generate what I wanted.
0:03:32 I feel like Pika is one of those tools where I have to re-roll
0:03:35 so many times before I finally get what I want.
0:03:38 But eventually I get there.
0:03:41 Yeah, I think they were the first one I saw that did like cartoon faces
0:03:43 really well, like even like the expressions in the eyes.
0:03:45 I think they were the first ones that kind of, you know,
0:03:46 didn’t perfectly nail it.
0:03:49 But like at that point, it was way better than runway.
0:03:52 But since they came out, like all the other models that came out
0:03:56 and just visually they’re all more impressive, I think,
0:03:58 like most of the top models now.
0:03:59 So I don’t know where they go.
0:04:03 Like it almost feels like Pika should be some kind of new app or something.
0:04:07 B and C just because I struggle to see a lot
0:04:10 of the real practical use cases outside of meming.
0:04:12 I just don’t know whether it should fit in B or C.
0:04:15 I don’t think it’s D tier because I think it’s like A.
0:04:18 It’s OG, they were one of the earlier ones, them and runway.
0:04:23 We’re kind of like the two big OGs that we’re putting out these video tools.
0:04:27 And I do find some fun usefulness in it in that like meme thing.
0:04:30 I’ve also used it like the end of the videos where I’ll be like,
0:04:32 all right, guys, see you in the next one.
0:04:35 And then like the thing crushes me at the end, you know.
0:04:38 So like there’s some fun stuff that you can do with it.
0:04:40 I’m kind of leading towards B tier on that one.
0:04:45 Look, every video platform is like one update away
0:04:47 from just becoming the greatest platform in the world.
0:04:49 So, you know, that’s yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:04:51 I mean, the last time we did it to your list,
0:04:54 we we definitely said some stuff to like save our butts
0:04:57 so these companies don’t hate us and we’ll do it again on this one.
0:05:01 All of these tools could be D’s right now,
0:05:03 but are like one update away from being A’s.
0:05:06 And I feel that about every single one that we’re going to talk about.
0:05:10 I could see Pika being like a really viral app at some point.
0:05:12 If they keep going down the route they are now
0:05:14 or your own self into stuff, maybe it’s not going to be the thing
0:05:17 that like Hollywood uses, but maybe it becomes like
0:05:19 a really popular app with teenagers or something at some point.
0:05:23 So I think I think B makes sense because like right now
0:05:25 it is actually useful for memes and stuff like that.
0:05:27 And like you said, like little parts of videos,
0:05:30 whereas a lot of these, you know, tools, even though they look cool,
0:05:33 they’re not super useful in a practical way right now.
0:05:34 So I’d say B.
0:05:36 Well, I’m going to I’m going to move along here.
0:05:38 The next one I want to talk about is Hot Shot,
0:05:44 because Hot Shot, in my opinion, is like the D tier of like the list for me.
0:05:46 I don’t know what you guys think if you play with Hot Shot yet,
0:05:49 but I could we see Hot Shot because I haven’t seen it.
0:05:52 Yeah, I play with Hot Shot and for me, Hot Shot,
0:05:56 I could not get it to generate anything that looked good for me.
0:06:01 And they charge $99 a month for it, which is really high for what it is.
0:06:06 And literally none of the generations I got it to do looked any good at all.
0:06:10 But saying that we can move this around based on what Tim says,
0:06:12 because Tim’s probably played with it a little bit more than I have.
0:06:13 I have, I have.
0:06:17 I do, you know, those guys are these guys are bootstrapping.
0:06:21 They are they’re trying to as best they can to get that model up and running.
0:06:24 I do agree with you, though, a lot of the generations out of it
0:06:28 always kind of have this to me, at least have this graininess to them.
0:06:31 Or there’s a lot of morphing inconsistencies with them.
0:06:35 And they were one of the first that kind of did the facewapping thing as well.
0:06:41 But it always felt like my face kind of came out a little too much on the red side.
0:06:45 Like, you know, the the skin tones and color consistency weren’t great.
0:06:46 I don’t know.
0:06:50 I was really struggling to get much out of Hot Shot personally.
0:06:53 Well, what model should we talk about next?
0:06:56 I actually have not played a ton with Kling.
0:07:00 But I know everybody swears by how good Kling is.
0:07:01 It can be.
0:07:04 I’ve generated maybe a couple of videos, but I I haven’t played with it a ton.
0:07:07 So I’m going to have to lean on you a little bit for how good Kling is.
0:07:12 You know, I think between right now kind of leading, at least on the the Chinese
0:07:15 models right now, I mean, it’s like neck and neck.
0:07:18 A while back, I did a short film
0:07:21 that was entirely I generated called Dead Sea.
0:07:25 It was a Pirates versus Vampires thing.
0:07:27 It was kind of stupid, but it was fun.
0:07:30 And that was all generated in Kling one point out.
0:07:34 Nice. So would you put Kling in like A tier S tier?
0:07:37 I mean, I think we’re we’re talking top of the top of the chart here.
0:07:42 So, you know, if we’re if we’re talking about what I would put in S tier
0:07:49 personally, I think I think Veo, Veo, Veo is it like here for me is is where
0:07:51 is where Veo is at.
0:07:53 Maybe another one can make it.
0:07:58 But that’s where I would put it because the one thing that I do like about Veo
0:08:02 is that every time you give it a prompt, it’s going to generate four videos.
0:08:05 So you hear people going, Oh, are these cherry picked?
0:08:06 Well, kind of.
0:08:09 But they built the platform sort of designed for cherry picking.
0:08:12 They gave you four and say, which one’s your favorite of these four?
0:08:17 Right. So like out of the four, almost every single time,
0:08:19 I’m impressed by at least one of the four that it gets.
0:08:21 That is true. You know, I think it.
0:08:22 Yeah, I think it’s I think it is really good.
0:08:27 I mean, again, the model itself has only been really released for a couple of days.
0:08:30 So I think there’s a lot of that’s that’s that’s a generation that looks really good, man.
0:08:34 Yeah, there is definitely some some more work ahead of it.
0:08:37 You know, I’ve got a lot of good generations.
0:08:39 I also do have a lot of funky ones, too.
0:08:42 Like I tried to get it to generate like somebody doing a Rubik’s cube
0:08:45 and I definitely got bad to it.
0:08:48 Yeah. Yeah, not horrible. Definitely not horrible.
0:08:50 I mean, again, the fingers are not turning to spiders.
0:08:53 Like true. That is a way to address.
0:08:56 Yeah. It really sucks at gymnastics.
0:08:58 Nothing has passed the gymnastics test.
0:09:00 Yeah. Yeah. I found.
0:09:02 That’s the new test after spaghetti.
0:09:04 Yeah, the gymnastics is the new benchmark.
0:09:09 This is probably my favorite generation is this Rhino walking school.
0:09:11 That’s like the cameras panning with it.
0:09:15 You know, my benchmark up until now was I like to generate various
0:09:17 like monkeys on roller skates. I don’t know why.
0:09:20 But it passes my monkey on roller skate test pretty well.
0:09:23 There’s one of the monkeys on roller skates that I got.
0:09:25 Here’s another monkey on roller skates.
0:09:28 This is the one that I shared on X that I thought was really good.
0:09:33 I got it to do like a first person looking out of a jet fighter
0:09:35 and another incredible thing that none of this is real.
0:09:38 Like I showed some of the videos to my son yesterday from Vio,
0:09:40 and he was like, that’s not real.
0:09:42 Like he’s like, oh, that one’s not real. That one’s not real.
0:09:44 And then there was one with like an animal or something.
0:09:48 He’s like, that’s not real. No, it’s not real. Disappointed.
0:09:49 Yeah. Let’s see.
0:09:53 One of the ones that really did not work out well was I tried to tell it
0:09:57 to make a guy playing with his dog with dolphins jumping in the background.
0:09:59 And that’s like barely even a video.
0:10:02 Here’s another one that it did.
0:10:05 And the dolphins are just floating there in the background.
0:10:09 So it’s not always like the best thing you’ve ever seen, right?
0:10:12 Like there’s definitely some issues with some of them.
0:10:15 But again, every single time it gives you four
0:10:18 and like one of the four is usually pretty good.
0:10:23 Were you doing, was that a lot of the image to video or is that more text to video?
0:10:25 That was all text to video.
0:10:28 Text to video. Yeah, I do find that it tends to generate a lot less wonk
0:10:31 when you’re doing text to video as opposed to image.
0:10:36 And one thing about Veo, too, is when you do image to video,
0:10:38 you can’t upload your own image.
0:10:41 You have to generate an image with their image generator.
0:10:45 Yes. And then you can turn the image that they generated for you into a video.
0:10:49 So I think it’s using their image in three, which looks good.
0:10:52 I got to say, that’s actually I can’t really complain about like that.
0:10:57 Image in three has taken a pretty big jump up from image in two.
0:10:59 It actually looks pretty solid in all honesty.
0:11:00 Yeah, it is good.
0:11:02 And it’s got people really well. Yeah.
0:11:03 I haven’t been able to try this yet.
0:11:07 So like in terms of a product, like how do you, how does it compare to like,
0:11:10 you know, Runway’s got a pretty great editor tool.
0:11:12 Sora now has a pretty awesome storyboard.
0:11:14 It’s definitely still a beta product.
0:11:17 It’s definitely still a beta product, you know, like Tim mentioned,
0:11:20 it does not seem to have like any sort of library.
0:11:23 So anything you generate, if you refresh your page
0:11:25 and you didn’t download those videos, those generations are gone.
0:11:27 You can’t find them again.
0:11:29 It doesn’t really have any editing features yet.
0:11:33 It doesn’t have the ability to upload your own images and compared to videos.
0:11:36 It’s definitely, it definitely beta.
0:11:39 Yeah, that’s, yeah, that’s where I have mixed feelings on like on the S
0:11:41 because, you know, Google’s done this so many times
0:11:42 where like they have amazing technologies.
0:11:45 I know, you know, you call me cynical the other day, but like I kind of am about
0:11:49 Google, I know I am, but they haven’t really launched great products though.
0:11:51 So even though they have great technology, that doesn’t mean it will
0:11:54 turn into a consumer product that people actually use.
0:11:56 Yeah, no, I agree.
0:12:00 It like, I think that’s where the debate would live for, for Vale, right?
0:12:03 It’s like, as far as the video generation technology goes,
0:12:05 I think it’s the best right now.
0:12:07 I think that’s the state of the art right now.
0:12:11 As far as the fact that most people don’t have access to it yet.
0:12:14 Who knows when more people will get access to it.
0:12:15 Who knows what they’re going to charge for it.
0:12:18 Who knows if they’re going to build a good UI around it.
0:12:22 There’s still a lot of questions around it, which, you know, I, I can see the
0:12:25 arguments for knocking it down a tier because of those reasons.
0:12:26 Yeah, yeah.
0:12:29 I mean, Sora has like a, you know, great domain store.com.
0:12:31 Sexy landing page looks beautiful.
0:12:32 It’s got the storyboard feature.
0:12:36 I mean, those are all, you know, those matter for like regular people.
0:12:39 So yeah, but some of the generations are definitely looking really, really good
0:12:44 out of it. As far as their overall plans, I mean, I think that we will definitely,
0:12:46 I think we’re going to get a definite release out of it.
0:12:50 The, there’s already been talked about YouTube integration with it.
0:12:54 And then Matt, I don’t know if you saw as well, but did a little banner
0:13:01 on your channel pop up that asked if, if you will allow for your videos to be used as.
0:13:02 It might have.
0:13:04 I might have closed it real quick and didn’t pay any attention to it.
0:13:09 But I knew, I know they have that feature just rolled out where you can decide
0:13:11 whether or not you want to allow your channel to be trained on or not.
0:13:13 Which I figure, I mean, I’ll turn around as fair game.
0:13:15 I mean, I will turn it on.
0:13:19 I will, I mean, like, look, I’ve like, who wants you prompt a guy, you know,
0:13:22 in a studio talking to a camera with a bunch of like mid-journey images
0:13:26 and an AI video, you’re going to train off of AI video, which, you know, whatever.
0:13:29 You know, but I just, I feel like they had to have already trained on YouTube video.
0:13:32 Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:13:36 This is like now like covering their asses after the fact, like, hey, do you opt into this?
0:13:40 No matter when we did it.
0:13:41 I have been desperately trying.
0:13:44 That’s another one of the tests that I another one of the tests that I really
0:13:46 love to do is to, is to try to prompt for me.
0:13:50 So I, you know, I’ve run that into chat GPT number of times.
0:13:54 Just a screenshot of me and say, look, describe everything that you see here
0:13:56 and make me a video or image prompt out of it.
0:13:59 And I’m constantly writing that just to see, like, how close it gets.
0:14:02 So far, I haven’t gotten me, but I’m also not Marquis Brownlee.
0:14:04 So I’m not that level of famous.
0:14:07 So, yeah, I do think they will roll it out.
0:14:11 I bet you it’ll, it’ll roll out like into Gemini or something where you just sort
0:14:14 of can generate videos in line with your chat and things like that.
0:14:17 Kind of like Dolly, Dolly and chat GPT.
0:14:20 Yeah, yeah, I think, I think that’s probably where they’ll go with it.
0:14:26 But I do want to keep on moving along here because we’re about a third
0:14:28 of the way through these tools here.
0:14:30 Okay, they still get an S.
0:14:32 They still get an S because it’s like video wise, it’s the best quality.
0:14:35 So yeah, I’ll leave them an S just for that reason.
0:14:40 But moving on, let’s talk about Sora because Sora and another video.
0:14:45 Sort of, yeah, I mean, but let’s just go ahead and get that one over with
0:14:47 because I know we probably have a lot to say about that one.
0:14:51 The thing about Sora and here’s, here’s where I’m struggling to play Sora.
0:14:55 What we have access to right now is Sora Turbo, right?
0:14:59 And Sora, Sora Turbo gets us 20 second generations.
0:15:02 They’ve got some additional frame interpolation built into it so that
0:15:06 they don’t have to generate as many frames, but it also makes it a little
0:15:09 less smooth with the, how the videos come out.
0:15:13 But then you also have like Sora regular, which is like some of the demos
0:15:16 we saw nine months ago or whatever.
0:15:18 And those look a hell of a lot better than what we’re getting out of
0:15:20 Sora Turbo.
0:15:22 So it’s like, how do we rank it?
0:15:24 Are we ranking it based on what we have access to now?
0:15:25 I think you got to rate, yeah.
0:15:26 What we’ve seen from Sora.
0:15:31 I think that you have to rank it based on what was released and what is available.
0:15:38 And to that, I mean, like, listen, I know that there’s a large segment
0:15:42 of the of the of the population of the AI video generation or video
0:15:45 population that kind of it landed with a wet fart, you know, like
0:15:47 people were not stoked about it.
0:15:51 But I also think that there is still something there.
0:15:53 Is it worth $200 a month for most people?
0:15:54 Probably not.
0:15:57 It probably is one of those things where everybody came in with their
0:15:59 standard sort of prompt structure, tried it out.
0:16:02 It didn’t work or it was just like weird, wonky results.
0:16:06 I think that we just have to spend more time digging into it and figuring
0:16:07 out what it’s really good at.
0:16:13 There I did the video, the video aspect, the remix and the blend and the fact
0:16:15 that you can cut, there’s a lot of power in that.
0:16:20 Probably those are features that we haven’t seen in any other video model.
0:16:22 So, yeah, there is really good stuff in there.
0:16:26 Again, I know the controversy side of it is just like you can’t generate
0:16:28 people on the on the $20 plan.
0:16:32 Yeah, there’s a lot of you can’t you can’t you can’t unless you pay $200 to.
0:16:36 I have not gotten anything that I’m super impressed with out of Sora.
0:16:40 If I’m being honest, you know, here’s my monkey on roller skates.
0:16:46 That was probably the best prompt that I got out of Sora.
0:16:51 But then my Vio Vio prompt with a monkey on roller skates like blew this
0:16:52 one out of the water.
0:16:56 Yeah, I asked it to do a wolf howling at the moon and it literally
0:17:00 just gave me like images of wolves howling at the moon, not even a video.
0:17:04 And then I started to learn, all right, you need to give it more detail
0:17:06 in your prompts if you really want to get something exciting out of it.
0:17:11 So when I started, you know, putting a lot more detail into these prompts,
0:17:15 like you could see how long of a prompt that is on my screen.
0:17:18 The video started coming out quite a bit better.
0:17:22 But still, I don’t think they’re on par with what we’re getting out of Vio,
0:17:24 if I’m being honest.
0:17:25 Yeah, no, I would agree with that.
0:17:28 And that I think definitely comes down to training data.
0:17:34 I mean, obviously Google likely has access to the entirety of YouTube.
0:17:41 And, you know, so, yes, well, if you believe Miramarati did not have
0:17:46 access to all of YouTube, but yeah, or, you know, Turbo might also,
0:17:47 that’s actually kind of cool.
0:17:50 Turbo actually might not have as much of that data in there.
0:17:55 I think the product itself, though, is probably the best looking AI video
0:17:57 product, though, in terms of like the user interface.
0:17:59 100%, like how they present it.
0:18:04 Yeah, there is definitely a very mid-journey-esque aspect to when you
0:18:06 first log in and see that sort of end the scroll.
0:18:10 But yeah, in that, you know, again, the remix, just all of the little
0:18:13 pulldowns, the simplicity of the prompt, like, no, it looks great.
0:18:18 I think, again, this is one of those things where I always try to be
0:18:23 a little gracious with them when they release a V1 product.
0:18:27 And, you know, like, essentially we’re beta testing their V1 right now.
0:18:30 By the time this hits, like, well, you know, again, remember how weird
0:18:33 and wonky mid-journey V1 looked to where it looks now.
0:18:37 So where, what will Sora 6.1 or 7 look like?
0:18:39 That’s, you know, the spider one is cool.
0:18:43 Yeah, I pretty much did all of the exact same prompts with Sora that I did
0:18:46 with, like, Veo, because I wanted to compare it with those.
0:18:47 Yeah.
0:18:52 And for the most part, like, Veo won on every single generation.
0:18:52 Yeah.
0:18:58 So I can’t put what we currently have from Sora and S tier.
0:19:02 Maybe what I’ve seen from Sora, some of the videos they gave us six
0:19:06 months ago, nine months ago, some of those might fit in S tier, but what
0:19:12 we’ve got now, I think what it’s got going for it is the UI is really cool.
0:19:14 The storyboard feature is really, really cool.
0:19:19 I like that a lot, but at the end of the day, it’s like most of my generations.
0:19:22 I don’t feel like I would actually use as, like, a B roll over one of my
0:19:24 other videos or something like that.
0:19:26 I still feel like it’s, like, looks like the second best.
0:19:29 I don’t know, maybe like the top of A or something like that.
0:19:30 Well, I haven’t used Kling a whole lot.
0:19:36 So it’s like, how would you, like, if you were ranking Veo, Kling and Sora,
0:19:38 like, how would you rate those?
0:19:43 If I was to do all three right now for my use cases and for sort of, like,
0:19:48 the, the pack that I travel with, it would actually probably be Kling on
0:19:49 the S tier between those three.
0:19:53 We’ll probably Kling on the S tier only because you could generate images
0:19:58 from outside of, of, of the, of the platform.
0:20:01 So on Veo, you have to generate in, or Veo, you have to generate
0:20:06 in Imogen, whereas in Kling, they’re like, you can generate in stable diffusion.
0:20:07 You can generate in flux.
0:20:09 You can generate in midger.
0:20:09 They don’t care.
0:20:13 It’s just that you bring it in and from there you have motion brushing
0:20:15 and all of your other various tools.
0:20:20 So there’s a lot more control of what you’re choosing to input in with Kling
0:20:22 than there is with, you know, Veo right now.
0:20:26 Or, well, Sora, you can actually generate, you can actually bring your own
0:20:27 images into as well.
0:20:30 I’m noticing it’s still going to take a little bit more testing, but they tend
0:20:33 to begin with your initial image first, and then they kind of wander off
0:20:34 into their own world.
0:20:37 Like the first frame will be like, you know, oh, this is exactly what
0:20:40 you’re looking for, but I’m going to do something complete, not completely
0:20:43 different, like something that’s based off of what I see here, but it’s not
0:20:45 going to be, that’s not going to be the first frame.
0:20:47 I’m not going to continue on with that.
0:20:52 Which I mean, that may be just the new way of generating a video.
0:20:58 But in some ways that the video, those like this, this wave of video models
0:21:02 is kind of saying like, listen, we’re the director and we’re the production team
0:21:06 here, like you’re writing this, but we’re in charge of actually making the thing.
0:21:09 So it’s almost like, you know, you’re sort of like a producer or a writer.
0:21:12 And, you know, you’re handing out a script to a production company in
0:21:14 like Bulgaria, and yet you don’t know what’s going on.
0:21:17 They’re just sending you back stuff and you’re like, well, this isn’t exactly
0:21:19 what I asked for, but I guess it kind of works.
0:21:23 So we’ll see, we’ll see, you know, and I would say the other thing that I would
0:21:27 definitely say on the Sora side is that was a prompting part of it.
0:21:30 It is weird because I do think, again, like Matt, like you said, you need
0:21:34 those longer prompts, whereas with like, as we have seen with, well, we’ll
0:21:38 look at many max later on and with Kling, there are sort of those AI enhancement,
0:21:42 you know, like tools that are built in there that you can do something like a
0:21:43 monkey riding a skateboard.
0:21:47 And then the the model will fill in a lot of the additional details that it
0:21:48 needs to generate the image.
0:21:52 It is so weird that OpenAI did not put that in.
0:21:54 Like, why isn’t ChatGPT right in there?
0:21:55 So I don’t know.
0:21:58 Yeah, Sora Turbo feels kind of like rushed out.
0:22:01 Like, I think they were pressured because like the public, you know,
0:22:03 consensus was like, what the hell is going on with Sora?
0:22:04 It looks so cool and we haven’t seen anything.
0:22:06 They don’t ship anything.
0:22:09 So then they had to get like a cost-efficient model out as quick as
0:22:13 possible and it did leak like a week earlier and got enough people managed
0:22:15 to get access to it a little bit early.
0:22:19 And then they had their 12 days of Christmas and it was like, all right,
0:22:22 well, I guess this is probably the opportunity to push it out.
0:22:23 But yeah, for sure.
0:22:26 Well, you mentioned Halu AI.
0:22:29 Let’s like, is it Minmax, Minimax?
0:22:30 I always just call it Minimax.
0:22:32 Like it’s just because that’s Halu.
0:22:36 I think, again, the actual name of the, and then Minimax, I think,
0:22:39 is the name of the video model.
0:22:41 So yeah, I got you.
0:22:42 Yeah.
0:22:46 So I always, I always call it Halu, but I always just do it almost
0:22:48 to like make fun of it when I make videos, right?
0:22:51 Like I just sort of screw up the name on purpose because I think it’s funny.
0:22:56 But so where would you rank Minmax or Minimax?
0:22:58 Like that’s one I have not played with yet at all.
0:23:00 Oh, really?
0:23:04 Literally, my entire audience would come at me with Pitchforks
0:23:06 if I did not say that was S tier.
0:23:10 Minimax is definitely the one that I think is like current crowd favorite.
0:23:12 Everybody loves it.
0:23:12 I love it too.
0:23:13 It’s a great model.
0:23:15 Would you put it above Veo?
0:23:17 Yeah, currently.
0:23:17 Yeah, for sure.
0:23:18 Really?
0:23:20 So see, I haven’t I haven’t I haven’t played with Minimax,
0:23:24 but like all the examples I’ve seen, like all the the demos, like, I don’t know,
0:23:26 like Veo seems like way better than Minimax.
0:23:30 Yeah, maybe. Well, again, with Minimax, I think that the the trick.
0:23:32 You can use external images and stuff like that.
0:23:33 Yeah, it’s the control.
0:23:39 Like, you know, there’s like there’s so much control in there and prompt adherence.
0:23:41 Yeah, I mean, they’re not as worried about being sued.
0:23:44 Like, definitely, that’s a problem that Google and OpenAI have.
0:23:47 Is that, you know, making sure they’re not being sued.
0:23:51 You can’t just like copy people’s faces and make entire films out of it.
0:23:54 So, yeah, these were I was running.
0:23:59 Yeah. So, you know, bad tests here, but I was running the the Sora Viking thing,
0:24:02 trying to get that kind of look out of it.
0:24:05 And again, I mean, it’s like it’s, you know, compared to that Sora leak demo
0:24:09 that we saw earlier, yeah, of course, it’s not going to be as great.
0:24:12 But like that looks pretty smooth and good.
0:24:15 The other thing that I think it’s really good at, I just did a video not too long
0:24:18 ago, it was about an interview.
0:24:21 So it was this guy and this guy.
0:24:23 So it was a job interview.
0:24:24 So this was our interviewer.
0:24:29 And then this was, yeah, this was a hitman that he was hiring or that
0:24:33 was going out for a job interview and, you know, the running joke.
0:24:35 There’s like, what kind of experience do you have?
0:24:38 And he’s like, well, I’m very patient, you know, I guess for hours.
0:24:45 So and I used Runways Act one to do all of them and then 11 labs to do all the voices.
0:24:47 So this kind of stuff, it’s really, really good at.
0:24:49 And then we had like various flashbacks.
0:24:51 He’s like, I have an international experience.
0:24:52 My wife was killed in Thailand.
0:24:56 Like, we meant to run away from this life together.
0:24:58 But then the triads killed her.
0:25:04 You know, like, so this is the kind of stuff that I think it does extremely well.
0:25:09 Like, you know, for the kind of doing these short clips, like there’s like, I mean,
0:25:12 like, yeah, Mini Max’s is really on point.
0:25:15 It really does a great job of understanding exactly what you’re looking for.
0:25:17 A lot of these are running, by the way, no prompt.
0:25:19 Like, I’m just like, I’m not even putting in a prompt.
0:25:21 It just it’s like, oh, you have a city there?
0:25:22 Yeah, I know you kind of want to do a thing.
0:25:24 No talking minimal head movement.
0:25:27 You know, you don’t have to go crazy with your prompts.
0:25:30 Like, I think the girlfriend here was no prompt.
0:25:32 It knows waves.
0:25:34 It knows, you know, move her around.
0:25:37 Yeah. So this is the kind of stuff that like no prompt, like.
0:25:40 So are you generating images and then pulling them in?
0:25:40 Is that what’s going on?
0:25:42 So this is this is all generated.
0:25:45 The the initial images are generated up in mid-journey.
0:25:47 That’s usually how I tend to mid-journey or flux.
0:25:51 I’ll go back and forth on either of those and then drop them in.
0:25:53 And for the most part, I mean, yeah,
0:25:56 highly will always understand what you’re kind of looking for.
0:25:59 Yeah, I mean, I’m looking at their website right now
0:26:02 and all the ones that are on the Explore page are really impressive.
0:26:08 Like, yeah, like really aesthetically pleasing.
0:26:09 The lighting looks great.
0:26:11 The colors are great.
0:26:12 Like, I don’t know.
0:26:13 I have to actually kind of agree.
0:26:17 Just looking at the Explore page that it’s really impressive.
0:26:19 Yeah, I’m kind of surprised by this.
0:26:22 I had seen it before, but like, this is better than I remember.
0:26:24 And like, again, a lot of the prompts here
0:26:28 that you can see in these demos are very and again,
0:26:30 you can kind of go either way, always, you know, prompt
0:26:32 if you’re not getting the results that you want to.
0:26:33 But a lot of this stuff is very
0:26:39 it almost kind of looks like this prompt here is actually just the image prompt.
0:26:39 You know what I mean?
0:26:43 Like, and then this like that was the prompt they ran in mid-journey.
0:26:44 And then they dropped it into here
0:26:48 and just kind of reran the prompt in here to kind of reinforce the idea.
0:26:51 No, it’s that the S tier or?
0:26:54 Yeah, right now I’ve got that top of S tier, but it’s right next to Veya.
0:26:58 Like they’re they’re they’re they’re sharing that that tier together.
0:27:00 All right, so let’s let’s talk about in video.
0:27:03 Have you played around with in video much?
0:27:06 And in video is one of my sponsors for my other channel.
0:27:11 So it’s hard for me to like, I’ll put in a D tier.
0:27:17 I think they’ve offered it.
0:27:19 They’ve offered to sponsor me a couple of times as well.
0:27:23 I really haven’t got a not gotten the chance to like I dove into them.
0:27:25 I think early when they first launched
0:27:27 and I really haven’t got a chance to circle back to them.
0:27:29 So yeah, that’s that’s one that I’m not.
0:27:32 Yeah, I don’t want to play around with that much.
0:27:36 Yeah, so within video, one thing that like makes in video stand out
0:27:41 is you give it a concept for like a short film, right?
0:27:44 And you can actually say generate a five minute video for me.
0:27:49 And it will actually go and generate all of the scenes for your video
0:27:52 similar to what you can do in like LTX Studio.
0:27:56 But yeah, you can you basically say like I want to make a movie
0:27:59 about a Viking, you know, hitting the shores
0:28:03 and then attacking the the Pete, the locals or something, right?
0:28:04 Yeah. And it will go and generate
0:28:07 like a three minute video of that happening.
0:28:09 And each scene in it is generated.
0:28:14 I don’t know 100 percent if in video is using an API
0:28:16 or if it is their own internal model.
0:28:18 I believe it is their own internal model.
0:28:20 It’s it’s it’s pretty good.
0:28:25 What I actually use in video for more and like it for even better
0:28:27 is it’s got like stock footage.
0:28:30 And so you can give it a concept for a video
0:28:32 and it will go find stock footage for that video.
0:28:34 I actually think it’s stock footage.
0:28:37 Features are really where in video shines
0:28:40 more than its generative features at the moment.
0:28:43 But saying that, you know, they’re only like one update away
0:28:46 from, you know, jumping up the tier list.
0:28:51 But right now, just speaking about like the generative capabilities of it,
0:28:54 I’d have to probably put it in B or C.
0:28:58 But the stock footage feature is really, really, really good.
0:29:01 It’s really good at going and finding stock footage for whatever you give it.
0:29:05 And it’s funny because I remember the video that I did this.
0:29:10 They got me for a sponsored spot a while back when they first launched.
0:29:12 So this is before they were doing generative stuff.
0:29:14 And it was just the stock image stuff.
0:29:17 And of course, me being me, I wanted to push it into weird directions
0:29:18 and see what we could do with it.
0:29:22 So I ended up making a it was a zombie survival guide.
0:29:25 But it was, you know, picking everything from stock footage
0:29:26 and I generated up the script.
0:29:29 It was like a British guy, like how to survive the first 10 days of a zombie
0:29:32 apocalypse and like is, you know, is very kind of like,
0:29:35 I guess, like YouTube explainery.
0:29:36 But it was, yeah, it was a neat idea.
0:29:42 So you can kind of like weirdly thread narratives out of stock footage as well.
0:29:44 So it’s all just a matter of kind of how you approach it.
0:29:45 I think it did the serviceable job.
0:29:48 But again, I just haven’t gone back and checked it out
0:29:50 from from a from a generative standpoint set.
0:29:53 Yeah. And it also does like it’ll write the story for you.
0:29:55 It’ll do the voiceover for you.
0:29:59 You can upload your own voice and actually have it use your voice in the video.
0:30:02 You can do all that kind of stuff.
0:30:04 So it’s got some really, really cool features.
0:30:06 But the generative capabilities.
0:30:10 I mean, I don’t think I can put it the generative capabilities
0:30:12 on the same level as any of these other ones.
0:30:16 So I think I would probably put it in like the lower B tier right now.
0:30:21 It’s not possibly bordering on C tier, but not not to say that in videos,
0:30:22 not a great product.
0:30:26 It’s just I feel like the generative functionality has a ways to go.
0:30:29 Well, I’ve got to I’ve got to I just thought about this.
0:30:31 I got a controversial S tier coming up.
0:30:33 A controversial, uh-huh.
0:30:36 Yeah, yeah. Well, let’s jump to the end.
0:30:39 Oh, should we leave that one to the end?
0:30:40 No, it’s whatever you want to do.
0:30:42 It’s fine. All right.
0:30:45 So which one which one would you put into S tier next?
0:30:47 Oh, so this is going to be controversial,
0:30:50 especially coming off of the the NVIDIA one.
0:30:52 I I’m going to put LTX in S tier.
0:30:55 Why? OK, like aside from this,
0:30:58 they did that we both met and I are sponsored by them.
0:31:03 But it’s actually it’s not that.
0:31:05 No one’s putting that money in my pocket right now.
0:31:09 No, I literally because they open source their video model.
0:31:12 That is like, is there any other company here
0:31:15 that open source their own video model?
0:31:17 Not of this list.
0:31:18 I don’t believe so.
0:31:20 Meta didn’t do it looking through that much.
0:31:23 I don’t believe in their open source other than LTX.
0:31:25 No. So I mean, that is that.
0:31:28 Do you think LTX from the generative side of it, though,
0:31:33 do you do you think LTX generates videos on the same level
0:31:36 as what you’d get out of Minimax or Veo?
0:31:37 Not currently.
0:31:41 But again, the code is out there and people can tweak it
0:31:45 and people can do things with it to the open source community
0:31:48 can bring it up to speeds or to a quality of that level
0:31:50 or perhaps even higher.
0:31:52 They can do they can tinker with it, you know, because again,
0:31:57 now you’ve got a worldwide, you know, network of people
0:32:01 that can now fuzz with that model to make it do kind of whatever they want.
0:32:03 And it actually does generate extremely fast.
0:32:05 I mean, I think that’s the selling point of the whole thing,
0:32:08 is that it actually generates videos sounds great in theory,
0:32:12 but like massive compute to like advance these models in the next year.
0:32:14 Yeah, I think it’ll take open source sounds nice.
0:32:17 But like, how are they going to compete with like SOAR and Microsoft?
0:32:19 The training data and all of that stuff and and all of that.
0:32:25 I mean, you know, again, I think it’s it’s not necessarily for the
0:32:28 for the for the massive ramifications.
0:32:31 But just in the fact that it’s like, you know,
0:32:33 it gave they gave their model away to everyone.
0:32:37 That’s that’s actually, again, that’s just super cool and giving back to,
0:32:41 you know, a community of developers that ended up bringing, you know,
0:32:43 bringing all of this technology together.
0:32:44 So yeah, I think it’s good.
0:32:47 I think we should try to judge it based on like how useful it would be to people.
0:32:50 I am sort of leaning more towards Nathan’s take on it.
0:32:56 Like, I see I see why it goes up the chain because of the open source.
0:33:00 But at the same time, if we’re judging, you know,
0:33:05 if if I see open AI and SOAR based on
0:33:08 like what we’re getting today right now, I feel like we should be judging
0:33:12 LTX on what we get today right now from it. Yeah.
0:33:15 If we were judging future, I would literally put SOAR at the top of the top.
0:33:18 Honestly, it would be my personal take. Right. Right. Right.
0:33:20 Yeah. No, that’s valid.
0:33:22 I whatever you guys landed tier wise,
0:33:26 I think it should just bump up one for for the fact that, you know,
0:33:29 they get I would have probably put the generative capabilities on par
0:33:31 with what you’d get out of like in video or pica.
0:33:37 But because it’s open source, my I say it bumps up a tier and gets an A.
0:33:39 I’ll say, have you been around lately?
0:33:41 Because they’ve actually been doing a lot of improvements in there as well.
0:33:44 The video model does look a lot better, a lot smoother.
0:33:47 I know it was a little bit on the rocky side to start.
0:33:49 They added flux in as their image generator too.
0:33:52 So that tends to look a lot better.
0:33:57 And I think today they kind of put in was it sort of like that advanced
0:34:01 live portrait thing where you could kind of do expression control and everything.
0:34:06 It’s funny talking to those guys that it’s they have such an interesting
0:34:10 problem in that they are kind of a do it all platform.
0:34:13 Right. And as like new technology kind of appears,
0:34:15 they’re kind of like putting it all together.
0:34:17 But it’s not just a matter of just plugging it in.
0:34:19 It’s not like, oh, here’s a module that we just plug right in.
0:34:23 It’s almost like, you know, you’ve got this existing.
0:34:26 It’s not like a car where you’re like, oh, I’m going to drop in the or actually,
0:34:29 you know, a good example is like it’s not a computer where you’re just dropping
0:34:30 in like a new RAM slot into it.
0:34:35 It is more like an 18 ton semi where you’re like trying to drop a new engine
0:34:36 into it, or you know what I mean?
0:34:39 Like a like a new like catalytic converter or something.
0:34:43 So there’s a lot of like playing around to get the whole thing to work together.
0:34:47 But I think they do a pretty solid job of trying to stay up on everything
0:34:49 and kind of creating that all in one platform.
0:34:54 So then they also have LTX Studio, which does similar things to what we talked
0:34:58 about within video, where you can give it an idea for a video, right?
0:35:02 And then with that idea, it will actually generate all of the scenes for you.
0:35:05 And then you could go in and swap out scenes.
0:35:06 It’ll do the voiceovers.
0:35:10 It’ll essentially make like a little short film for you based on just like a prompt,
0:35:15 which I think, you know, that feature sort of bumps it up a little bit as well.
0:35:19 I think where people get sassy with that, too, is that, you know, they they kind
0:35:24 of go in there, like maybe a serial killer werewolf meets an alien, you know,
0:35:27 vampire robot story. My exact.
0:35:30 And then, you know, yeah, which I would I would totally watch that sounds like
0:35:32 something I would definitely watch when I was 13 on Cinemax.
0:35:36 And then they get something that is like, it’s kind of there and it’s kind of like
0:35:39 it just in the video, the the images that they pick aren’t great.
0:35:42 Like it is that thing where you’ve got to spend a lot of time in there.
0:35:44 It’s not just like prompt and like, I’m instantly entertained.
0:35:46 It’s like it’s prompt.
0:35:50 And then you got to start going in and you know, changing things on a granular
0:35:53 level. I think that that’s where people are just like, oh, so that good.
0:35:56 And it’s like, no, it is you just have to spend a lot of time working on it.
0:36:00 It’s not going to, you know, you’re like, you’re still going to have to do the work,
0:36:05 basically some. So Luma, so we’ve got Luma Dream Machine.
0:36:08 Where would you rank Luma Dream Machine?
0:36:13 I I really like the generations that Luma Dream Machine comes up with.
0:36:18 But I don’t think it’s on par with what we’ve seen from from Veo or from
0:36:24 Minimax. I’m curious where you would rank it based on all of your testing.
0:36:27 But the new image model looks really good.
0:36:29 So you can now generate on platforms.
0:36:33 They’re kind of doing something a little bit on the similar side to it’s not
0:36:36 quite LTX, but kind of more like Leonardo’s flow state, I guess,
0:36:38 where you can kind of have a bit of a conversation.
0:36:43 It doesn’t quite do like that cascading like level of like of images
0:36:44 that keep going down.
0:36:48 But you kind of end up, you remember when Dolly 3 first came out
0:36:52 and you were like, you were supposedly be able to to chat with your image
0:36:55 and, you know, and get it to do things.
0:36:57 That’s kind of the kind of that idea.
0:36:59 And yeah, it looks really good.
0:37:01 You got to give it up because their API is everywhere.
0:37:03 Anywhere that you go, you can now generate in Luma.
0:37:07 The first frame, last frame thing, you can do some really cool things with.
0:37:12 I think that they are I would probably put them into the A category.
0:37:16 Somewhere has somewhere between A and B, like they’re they’re just
0:37:18 but they’re just like one update away from like hopping up to an.
0:37:23 Most of what I do with them is the the image to video.
0:37:28 I feel like with this one, starting with an image, you tend to get
0:37:32 a much better result than if you start if you just give it a video prompt.
0:37:36 But, you know, the other thing, let’s see, this is and I think of the right tool.
0:37:40 This is the one where you can give it a start and an end frame, right?
0:37:45 Yes, I’ve got some so like so you can give it like a starting image
0:37:49 and an ending image and it will sort of animate between the two images, right?
0:37:53 Yeah, I’ll show you something that I was playing around with this idea
0:37:56 about wanting to do kind of a Game of Thrones type opening.
0:38:01 So, you know, I started off by generating up some, you know, I like still images
0:38:06 of like these castle things that wasn’t quite it ended up kind of arguing
0:38:12 with with Luma a bit, ended up zooming out, you know, with once we established
0:38:16 a look, zoomed out a little further, kind of got into a map look.
0:38:19 And then, you know, from there, you could kind of start taking taking it into
0:38:21 to see if it was one of the 12 second ones.
0:38:22 What’s this user interface?
0:38:24 Is this is this Luma?
0:38:25 This is yeah, this is Luma now.
0:38:29 So, you know, we can kind of get these kind of cool effects using first frame,
0:38:30 last frame, you know what I mean?
0:38:37 Like kind of getting this real sort of like swooping, droney, not quite Game of Thrones,
0:38:39 but, you know, kind of like, you know, by the end of it, I had like, you know,
0:38:45 fairly quickly to end up with like this 19 second shot of like this, you know, fly through.
0:38:50 Yeah, this kind of stuff is like really fun and very easy to do in Luma.
0:38:56 So, yeah. Yeah, I think Luma is a great little it’s a great exploration.
0:38:58 It’s it’s yeah, it’s great for exploring.
0:39:03 I actually played around with an anime style too, which I normally do not do on my channel.
0:39:06 Yeah, I’d say Luma for me is probably a tier.
0:39:09 I really like that sort of transition feature where you give it to images
0:39:11 and then it can transition between them.
0:39:12 I think that’s really, really handy.
0:39:15 So for me, I say Luma’s a tier.
0:39:16 Yeah, for sure.
0:39:21 And then like so moving along here, next up, we’ve got runway and runway
0:39:23 in my mind is like the OG, right?
0:39:27 When it comes to video generators, they were out there doing it first, right?
0:39:32 We had Gen 1, Gen 2, all those three seconds of video, my friend.
0:39:34 Three seconds of video.
0:39:36 It was when people complained.
0:39:39 So it’s like you can’t put them in D tier just just because they’re like
0:39:42 the godfathers of like the video tools.
0:39:47 I, you know, maybe hot take on this, but I would actually I actually
0:39:50 they’re one that I would put up in the S tier only because, again,
0:39:53 the suite of other tools that they have as well.
0:39:56 I mean, Gen 3 is great and it’s fast.
0:39:58 I mean, it is super fast.
0:40:01 I don’t know if you’ve played around that much with it on the image to video
0:40:04 stuff, but you add Act 1 into there and like the expand and all of that
0:40:06 other stuff that they’ve been doing lately.
0:40:08 I mean, is that killer suite?
0:40:10 And then on top of it, you can just take all of that stuff
0:40:15 and instantly rotoscope and green screen in there and like the subtitle thing.
0:40:19 I think if you go into like the greater, adding new things, right?
0:40:20 Like I always say new features.
0:40:24 They’re releasing the greater like runway ecosystem.
0:40:27 Like there’s just so many tools down there as well.
0:40:30 Don’t they have over 36 tools, right?
0:40:37 You got audio, lip sync, removing backgrounds, text images built in.
0:40:41 I mean, one of the guys that runs runway used to like he’s one
0:40:43 of the original creators of stable diffusion as well.
0:40:48 So it’s like they’re OGs that created runway.
0:40:53 They go way back to, you know, the very beginning of AI image generation.
0:40:57 And yeah, there’s just so many tools like I use the green screen tool
0:41:00 quite a bit where you could take another video and remove the background.
0:41:03 I think that’s really, really a handy tool.
0:41:06 But yeah, when it when it comes to like Act 1, where you can just sort of
0:41:11 upload a video of you talking and change it into like any sort of cartoon.
0:41:13 That’s super cool.
0:41:16 You can now do it with I really think it should have been called it Act 2 as well.
0:41:22 Now you can drive that Act 1 video footage onto any other like footage as well.
0:41:26 So you can have somebody walking around in a 16, 9 frame and then just completely
0:41:29 change, you know, essentially what they’re saying in their facial expressions.
0:41:31 Like that’s super handy, like it’s huge.
0:41:33 Yeah. Well, I mean, you got all these camera controls, right?
0:41:36 Horizontal, vertical, zoom, roll, tilt, pan.
0:41:40 You know, you’ve got expand video where you can give it
0:41:45 like a vertical video and turn it into a 16 by 9 and have it actually stretch
0:41:47 it out for you or vice versa.
0:41:51 You know, it’s got it’s got a ton of cool features.
0:41:54 It’s really, really good at image to video as well.
0:41:56 Like you mentioned, it’s it’s fast, too.
0:42:00 Let me see if I can just find something real quick to drop in here and see how
0:42:03 fast it generates. Oh, and this one has a first and last frame, too.
0:42:05 I didn’t even realize they’ve added that feature to run.
0:42:10 So here’s like a colorful, swirly one.
0:42:13 And you also go pretty quick.
0:42:17 If you miss a Friday, that seems to be when runway loves to drop an update.
0:42:19 So you always got to pay attention.
0:42:21 I that’s. Yeah.
0:42:25 Yeah. Well, I always make my news videos on Thursdays and release them on Fridays.
0:42:28 So yeah, news is always like.
0:42:30 Yeah, I’m always talking about it.
0:42:32 A week behind. Yeah.
0:42:34 So the runway’s got the best editing tools now, right?
0:42:36 Like the best editing tools.
0:42:39 But I still feel like the visuals are not the best, man.
0:42:41 They’re good, but they’re not the best of the best.
0:42:43 Is that a fair take?
0:42:46 I think depending on what you’re what you’re generating, a lot of times.
0:42:48 Like that one, the the mount one here looks pretty good.
0:42:53 Like, and again, you do have all of your not your your your your video controls,
0:42:55 your your motion controls and all of that stuff.
0:42:59 And depending on what because this was promptless too, right, Matt?
0:43:04 Yeah, you know, there’s I think it depends on what you’re looking for.
0:43:07 And then on top of it, because you can take this up to whatever, 10 seconds.
0:43:09 And there’s all kinds of other tricks.
0:43:11 There’s like, I’m always thinking a lot in terms of like,
0:43:16 you know, you know, use all of the meat of the animal.
0:43:20 So when I see a generation like this, what I’m thinking is like,
0:43:21 OK, I’m going to bring it in.
0:43:25 I’m going to run through topaz and then maybe I’ll speed it up.
0:43:27 And I’m only going to take the first like four seconds of it
0:43:30 to give it a quicker vibe or quicker feel to it.
0:43:33 Maybe put a zoom in and the, you know, I’m just thinking about all the other
0:43:36 ways that I’m going to use this, not necessarily just the generation.
0:43:41 Yeah. And that’s another thing that when it comes to like generating videos,
0:43:46 a lot of people don’t really think about that is in most scenarios,
0:43:49 you really only need about three seconds, right?
0:43:52 Yeah. If you ever turn on your TV and watch a TV show or you watch a movie
0:43:56 or something like that, they never linger on a shot for more than three to four seconds.
0:43:57 Right. Yeah.
0:44:01 So if you can get these tools generating eight, 10, 20 second videos for you,
0:44:07 if just three to four seconds of that video is good, you’ve got perfect B-roll, right?
0:44:11 That’s something that when that Sora thing, when Sora was first announced
0:44:14 and was like the 1080p one minute long generation, it’s like no one’s ever going
0:44:17 to know you’re never going to watch one minute of like, you know what I mean?
0:44:20 Like people can can barely hold their attention through a one minute
0:44:23 TikTok or YouTube short where it is cutting like crazy.
0:44:28 Like try making a YouTube short one day when it’s just you literally
0:44:31 just talking to the screen for a minute and like, I guarantee you,
0:44:33 it’ll be the lowest watch short of all time.
0:44:38 So runway, I don’t know my problem with S tier is I feel like visuals.
0:44:42 It’s like B, like in terms of that, I was just looking like how good to the
0:44:45 videos look like recently I put together like some Twitter threads like
0:44:48 comparing and I didn’t actually include many videos from runway because I
0:44:50 just didn’t think they looked as good.
0:44:52 I didn’t think they would perform as well in the thread.
0:44:57 And I, you know, when I looked at all the different models, I mean, it was like,
0:45:01 you know, VO was by far the best and then store was pretty good.
0:45:06 And I felt like runway was like a like slightly a tier below visual quality wise,
0:45:07 but the editing tools are amazing.
0:45:09 And it’s not the most controllability though.
0:45:13 Like if you saw the camera angles and the like from a controllability
0:45:16 standpoint, I think runway is up there.
0:45:22 Whether I put it on the same level is what I saw from Minimax and from Vio.
0:45:26 So then, all right, we’ve got two last tools and these are the two that we
0:45:27 don’t have access to.
0:45:30 I mean, technically, I think all three of us actually have access to
0:45:34 Adobe Firefly video, but yeah, the emails I’ve gotten from Adobe says
0:45:36 I’m not allowed to share those videos yet.
0:45:38 Oh, D tier.
0:45:47 Cause I thought the model was released and out to the public.
0:45:50 No, the Firefly video model.
0:45:54 I literally got an email from them this morning saying that you can play with it,
0:46:00 but make sure that you send any videos to us for review before showing them off.
0:46:00 Yeah.
0:46:06 So what I figured we can do for this is we’ve got the current model that’s out.
0:46:06 Probably is what we should do.
0:46:12 So for Adobe Firefly, we’ve got their page here with some probably pretty
0:46:18 cherry-picked demos, but you’ve got like this dog video here and it seems
0:46:22 to be one of the better ones, maybe with text from what I’ve seen.
0:46:26 But some of this isn’t great.
0:46:27 Some of it is pretty good.
0:46:33 Based on what you’ve tested with Firefly, we can’t actually show any
0:46:36 videos that we generated because of the rules there.
0:46:39 But based on like the videos that you’ve tested, like how would you rank it?
0:46:44 You know, I think it is very, I think it’s very Adobe.
0:46:50 Like, I think that if you are, you know, working as, yeah, I think that if you’re
0:46:57 working as a professional editor and you are, you know, you need some B-roll of a thing,
0:47:02 you know, much of the same way, like any, how much are professional photographers
0:47:04 using generative fill, like, you know what I mean?
0:47:08 Like, I think that it’s become a tool that they’ll try out a few times.
0:47:11 They figured out where the use cases work really best.
0:47:14 They know where it doesn’t do great.
0:47:19 Like, you know, if you’re a wedding photographer and you need, you know, I don’t know,
0:47:21 something like a couple of birds up in a tree or something like that.
0:47:25 I’m sure that, you know, Firefly or Jenfill is going to do that for you.
0:47:29 If you need dragons flying in and attacking the wedding party, it’s from another tool
0:47:30 that you’re going to use for it.
0:47:36 So I feel that, that Firefly video is kind of in the same, in the same area.
0:47:42 If you’re doing, you know, kind of like what I would call like regular movies or
0:47:46 regular videos, like kind of like very, like, I don’t want to say, I guess,
0:47:47 stockish kind of stuff.
0:47:49 Like, yeah, it’ll, it’ll perform very well.
0:47:53 If you’re trying to get into doing your, you know, if you’re trying to make avatar
0:47:56 for like, you know, then you’re going to struggle with it.
0:48:01 So. So the other thing that I’ve noticed about Adobe, and this is more with the
0:48:05 Firefly image generation, but I imagine it translates to the video as well.
0:48:09 Is as far as like censorship goes, they’re the worst.
0:48:13 Like they’re the ones that, like I tried to generate an image of a person
0:48:15 standing in front of the Eiffel Tower and it’s like, oh, we can’t generate the
0:48:16 Eiffel Tower, right?
0:48:17 Interesting.
0:48:22 There was like lots of things that it would not generate for me.
0:48:24 That it didn’t make sense that it wouldn’t generate.
0:48:28 It is always hard for me to argue against like, because I’m in Adobe is
0:48:31 obviously very much taking a hard stance on like, we are trying to be as
0:48:32 ethical as possible.
0:48:34 And it is sometimes hard for me to be like, well, stop.
0:48:38 So I’ll do it.
0:48:39 I’ll say stop.
0:48:46 But, uh, but yeah, I think the bad guy on this show, I have no hard.
0:48:53 So yeah, I think that that is that eventually I think that that will be.
0:48:58 But again, I think that where Adobe, where Firefly and GenPhil really do
0:49:02 shine is the fact that they are going to be directly integrated into Premiere,
0:49:04 into, you know, into Photoshop as we’ve seen.
0:49:08 And that is, you know, so it becomes that at least first, when you’re stuck
0:49:13 on a thing, you know, at some point when this, like I edit in Premiere, at some
0:49:17 point, you know, when I need a quick shot, like, uh, am I going to bounce
0:49:20 out necessarily to another video model while I’m editing?
0:49:23 Like if, if I’m like, oh, this is just occurred to me.
0:49:23 I want to try this out.
0:49:27 Or am I going to give it a shot real quick with the new Firefly video
0:49:30 model just because I’m already there, you know, there.
0:49:30 Yeah.
0:49:31 Yeah.
0:49:34 The other thing that I really like that, uh, Firefly is going to do.
0:49:35 I don’t believe we have it yet.
0:49:38 Is that generative extend, right?
0:49:41 Where you have a video that you needed to cover eight seconds, but right
0:49:43 now it only covers six seconds.
0:49:46 You can, you can extend it out by two more seconds.
0:49:50 And it figures out what the rest of that video would have looked like right
0:49:51 now when we’re doing video editing.
0:49:54 I don’t know if you’re like me, but what I’ll do is I’ll literally slow
0:49:58 down the clip so that it’s a slightly more slow motion to fill that gap.
0:50:03 But I like that idea of having that generative fill inside of video to
0:50:05 sort of fill out that extra one or two seconds that I need.
0:50:06 Yep.
0:50:10 I think that is probably going to be more the use case then.
0:50:14 I mean, again, even with Firefly image, like I think that most people use
0:50:19 it in gen fill, people don’t really go to adobe.com/firefly.
0:50:22 And, you know, image model and generate stuff there.
0:50:24 You know, they do it, they do it in Photoshop.
0:50:27 So I think that’s really, that’s really where it’s going to live.
0:50:31 So I don’t even necessarily know if like adobe necessarily really belongs
0:50:33 on this list because it’s not necessary.
0:50:37 I don’t really think of it as like a full platform generator, as much as I
0:50:40 do an extension of Photoshop and Premiere.
0:50:41 Yeah, gotcha.
0:50:42 Yeah.
0:50:46 Well, and then the last one we’ve got on the list here is the make a video
0:50:49 from Meta, which nobody has access to yet.
0:50:57 So, yeah, I don’t know if we will or not, but maybe they’ll make it open source
0:51:00 or, you know, Facebook’s version of open source.
0:51:03 Every time I say that Meta is open source, I get a million comments
0:51:05 from people going, it’s not open source.
0:51:06 Stop calling it open source.
0:51:07 Not really, yeah.
0:51:13 But, you know, Meta’s level of open source, maybe they’ll open source,
0:51:15 open source-ish this one.
0:51:18 I’m curious, like, with the, like, now that we’re sort of getting this,
0:51:22 like, second tier of, like, of, like, because I mean, I think that this is
0:51:25 maybe, like, in my head, since I’ve been following this for so long, I
0:51:30 consider this era that we’re moving into as like AI video 3.0.
0:51:34 And, like, definitely with Sora now released and with Vue release.
0:51:38 I mean, it’s kind of, it’s kind of forcing Meta’s hand a little bit to
0:51:39 do something with this, right?
0:51:43 I mean, I don’t know if Zuck really cares, like, you know, at the same time.
0:51:46 But, I mean, you know, just comparing it to what else is out there,
0:51:50 this looks like the last generation of AI video, right?
0:51:53 Like, it doesn’t look like the current gen that we’re seeing now.
0:51:58 But this was the one that had all of the sound effects and you can do,
0:52:00 you know, everything generates as one, right?
0:52:02 It feels like a, it feels like a Pika competitor.
0:52:04 It feels like Pika’s going to go more in the social direction and then
0:52:06 Facebook’s already there.
0:52:10 So they’re kind of like, if they approve this, they’ll end up kind of causing
0:52:11 problems for Pika, possibly.
0:52:13 Like, if you made like a cool social product, you know, with it.
0:52:17 My other question, too, is in, yeah, in this, given that it is Meta, like,
0:52:19 where does this live?
0:52:21 Is this, are they thinking about this for?
0:52:23 Does this a Facebook thing?
0:52:24 Is this an Instagram thing?
0:52:26 Like, where does this live in the Meta ecosystem?
0:52:28 Like, like, what is it?
0:52:29 Yeah, what’s it, what, why?
0:52:30 That’s a very good question.
0:52:32 That’s something like, I’ve been saying for a while, it’s something like
0:52:37 there’s some new social product with AI that doesn’t exist yet.
0:52:37 I don’t know what that is.
0:52:41 It could be, they’re probably, probably multiple ones, but like Instagram
0:52:42 started because of filters.
0:52:45 Well, maybe there’s something new now that you could create with these
0:52:48 new AI technologies, like whether it’s like video and you take a photo of
0:52:50 yourself and now you made a really cool viral video or something, you know,
0:52:51 something really funny.
0:52:54 Well, and I know that’s the other thing that everybody’s really hot on right
0:52:57 now is like trying to figure out, or not everyone, there’s a lot of companies
0:53:00 that are, that are very much trying to become the Netflix of AI video.
0:53:05 And like, I, I, I’m not, I don’t believe that needs to happen yet.
0:53:07 I think that we need to have AI video on Netflix.
0:53:11 I think I would like to see an AI generated, you know, AI produced,
0:53:16 generated, produced, like thing, like something like, uh,
0:53:18 did you guys watch scavengers rain on HBO?
0:53:18 So cool.
0:53:19 So good.
0:53:25 Uh, it was that animated series about the no HBO in Japan, which is a bummer.
0:53:26 Really?
0:53:29 There’s no, have you heard of this thing called a VPN VPN?
0:53:31 I was going to say, yeah, and it does sound.
0:53:36 VPN and the iron.
0:53:40 A, well, what sucks is though, but I, but I watch content.
0:53:41 I watch stuff with my wife, right?
0:53:43 And so you want the subtitles.
0:53:47 So it’s like, you know, yeah, like, like, I, like, we’re, uh, we’re
0:53:50 finishing up watching a Vikings right now, which was kind of funny for me
0:53:52 because we’re doing all this Viking AI video stuff here.
0:53:54 We’re finishing up that series right now.
0:53:58 And I was like, well, I like game, I’d actually never watched a Viking before.
0:53:59 And it’s pretty good.
0:54:01 I was like, but I like Game of Thrones better, except for the last season.
0:54:03 And so I’m wanting her to watch Game of Thrones.
0:54:07 You’re like, she’s like a fantasy nerd like me and she’s never watched Game of Thrones.
0:54:11 And it’s just like, I had to buy the entire show.
0:54:14 Like, it’s quite expensive, like actually buying it.
0:54:18 So right now this is, this is our current rankings of the tools.
0:54:20 This is where I feel like they all landed.
0:54:22 Is anything need to be adjusted?
0:54:25 What do you guys think is never coming on our podcast?
0:54:27 Oh, he’ll be fine.
0:54:31 Well, I think going back to like the only reason I put Meta down in the
0:54:33 D tier is A, we don’t have access to it.
0:54:38 B, it still kind of looks like the last gen AI, like Meta tomorrow could drop
0:54:41 something that looks just as good as Veil and be like, we’ve been working on this
0:54:44 behind the scenes and all of a sudden they’re in A or an S tier, right?
0:54:46 So I think they’ll have some cool stuff coming out.
0:54:49 So the same as I think, you know, Grock will have some cool AI video stuff at some point too.
0:54:50 And, you know, yeah, yeah.
0:54:53 So I mean, obviously none of this is a knock on any of the companies.
0:54:57 We’re just kind of like ranking them based on where we feel their current
0:55:02 generation of technology is and any one of them like is an update away from,
0:55:04 you know, bumping up a tier or two.
0:55:08 And also like, like Tim mentioned, I don’t really feel like we know what
0:55:11 Meta is going to do with AI video yet, right?
0:55:15 Like they are trying to shoehorn like the AI image generators like into
0:55:19 their chat apps and stuff, but I don’t think anybody’s still really using them.
0:55:21 I don’t think that’s going to work just adding it on stuff.
0:55:22 It’s like the same problem Adobe has.
0:55:25 You just add on AI to some existing thing.
0:55:27 Like, no, you need entirely new things for this new world.
0:55:29 It’s now there’s there’s so many new possibilities.
0:55:31 Why do you want to be tied to these old systems?
0:55:34 But they have to because that’s what that’s like, they’re, you know, cash cows, right?
0:55:38 Well, and I think I think that as we move into 2025, too, like there’s
0:55:41 going to be a big shift up amongst all of these.
0:55:43 And we’re going to see if we come back and do this again next year,
0:55:47 you’re going to have we’re going to have like five or six other companies
0:55:49 that we’ve never even heard of now on this list.
0:55:51 The list is going to be all over the place.
0:55:55 We’re going to see a lot more of that 3D element with what we were talking
0:55:59 about before with World Labs and with what kind of in a lot of ways
0:56:02 what Genie 2 is doing, those like world builders.
0:56:06 Like, and I know that mid-journey’s been because mid-journey video will be coming along.
0:56:07 That’s what I’m about to say.
0:56:08 Yeah, they’ve been wanting to do.
0:56:09 Yeah. Yeah.
0:56:11 So mid-journey is also working on a video model, too.
0:56:14 That they keep on saying they’re going to show it because I’m sure.
0:56:17 Yeah, there’s something new, like great video models,
0:56:19 like how do they release something without it being spectacular, right?
0:56:22 Like, actually, and I was just in the office hours a couple of weeks ago.
0:56:26 I think they were like, and I’ll bless them for too, as well.
0:56:29 As the team was just like, we could release it.
0:56:30 It’s the holidays.
0:56:33 We’d like to spend time with our families and like so that’s like
0:56:37 legitimately why they’re not, you know, because like if they release it,
0:56:40 they’re going to be hit with all kinds of like questions and they and the server
0:56:41 is going to go down this and that and that.
0:56:44 Like, just let them let them go home and hang out with their families.
0:56:47 And then let’s be honest, right now is not the time to be releasing
0:56:50 something with what OpenAI and Google are doing, right?
0:56:52 They’re just going to get overshadowed by those two companies right now.
0:56:55 Who? Rock ’em, sock ’em robots going at it right now.
0:56:57 It’s like, so, yeah.
0:57:02 Meanwhile, what’s your prediction on January, do you think we’re going to see
0:57:05 a massive slowdown or do you think we’re going to ramp up again?
0:57:11 So I’m kind of waiting to see what OpenAI releases over the next two days.
0:57:14 Yeah, I’m sort of given away when we’re recording this episode
0:57:15 compared to when it’s getting released.
0:57:19 But there’s two more days of OpenAI about to release updates.
0:57:24 I think if they don’t release tool use as one of the next two updates,
0:57:26 I think that’s coming in January.
0:57:29 They’ve already hinted that that’s probably going to come in January.
0:57:33 So I think we’ll see the tool use come from OpenAI.
0:57:37 And then, you know, knowing what I know about Google and spending some time there,
0:57:43 they’re really working on the sort of like agentic tool use kind of stuff as well.
0:57:46 So I think that’s going to be the big theme of 2025 overall,
0:57:49 is these tools that can use tools on your behalf.
0:57:52 Yeah, I’m excited about that.
0:57:55 I don’t think we’re going to see like a new AI video model,
0:57:59 for instance, in January, unless it’s from like mid journey
0:58:01 and they’ve already got it ready to go, you know.
0:58:03 Yeah, I think we’ll see the rate of progress improve.
0:58:06 Like if everyone, like probably everyone’s going to be copying
0:58:09 like what OpenAI is doing in terms of like their 01 model.
0:58:14 And from my understanding, like, you know, since it’s not entirely
0:58:17 just relying on the training of, you know, with massive amounts of data,
0:58:19 that’s one part of it, but that’s not the only way it improves.
0:58:21 We’ll probably see these models just like keep getting better,
0:58:23 like over and over and over.
0:58:25 I mean, we might get to a point where like every month,
0:58:29 there’s like a, it got better 20% this month, right?
0:58:34 And I think AI video will end up in a similar scenario quite soon.
0:58:36 If it’s not already there.
0:58:40 You know, it’s funny because I talked to Caleb over at Curious Refuge
0:58:42 about this a bunch of times, he and I chat back and forth of like,
0:58:46 you know, as the video models get better and better and better
0:58:51 and like, you know, we are always reporting and doing tutorials on all of it.
0:58:54 And like, what’s the what’s the point when it’s like, it’s like, OK,
0:58:57 it’s perfect now, like when it’s like, what do we make then?
0:59:00 And like the fact is that it’ll never, it’ll never be there.
0:59:03 Like it’s just, it’s just like there are still people doing, you know,
0:59:07 camera tutorials and camera, like, you know, reviews and and all of that.
0:59:10 There’s always, you know, it’s like last year’s Canon is terrible.
0:59:13 This year’s Canon is better. Nikon is better than that.
0:59:15 You know, there’s always just going to turn into that. So.
0:59:17 Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think it’s going to get better.
0:59:19 I think we’re going to get higher and higher resolution.
0:59:23 I think there’s always going to be room to focus on the finer details within
0:59:28 images, you know, we’re going to get more controllability out of the images,
0:59:31 right, where you have a little more control over the lighting, over the
0:59:35 the style of it. We’re already seeing that with, I mean, basically,
0:59:37 mid journeys got Lora’s available now.
0:59:41 They don’t call it that, but they’ve got the mood boards is essentially that.
0:59:47 So like, I think there’s always going to be places to improve,
0:59:50 but it’s going to be more and more nuanced as time goes on.
0:59:53 And that’s one of the things that I kind of want to start
0:59:56 maybe like preaching a little bit more on the channel is like,
0:59:59 you start moving into some of the tools that help you develop story.
1:00:03 Because ultimately, as fidelity gets better, as details get better,
1:00:06 as control gets better, what are we doing with this stuff?
1:00:08 Like, are we telling a good story?
1:00:11 Like, is it is it something that’s going to make us laugh, cry, get excited,
1:00:13 whatever? I mean, that ultimately is the thing.
1:00:16 Like none of us watch Star Wars when we were kids.
1:00:18 And, and, you know, we were we all love the special effects,
1:00:22 but that’s not what drew us in, you know, right, right, for sure, for sure.
1:00:26 And I’ve actually really started to see some impressive AI generated short films.
1:00:28 I saw one that somebody made recently.
1:00:30 I’m sure you’ve come across it, Tim.
1:00:33 In fact, it might even bed your ex-account that I came across it on.
1:00:37 But there was recently like a little Batman short film that came out.
1:00:39 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, really, really good.
1:00:41 That got copyrights really good on it.
1:00:42 Oh, did they get that?
1:00:46 I was looking for it and they got knocked down for for for being.
1:00:48 Yeah, it was Warner had knocked it down.
1:00:51 So yeah, I mean, I’m not surprised by that.
1:00:56 They did basically just, you know, steal somebody else’s IP and make a short film out of it.
1:00:57 That was really good.
1:00:58 It was actually, yeah, it was really solid.
1:01:00 Great sound design throughout that whole thing as well.
1:01:01 They really captured the tone.
1:01:04 There was an interesting trick that those guys pulled where
1:01:07 they used that first frame feature, but they were taking screenshots
1:01:11 from the Robert Pattinson, you know, Batman movie.
1:01:16 And then basically running their own generations to kind of create iterations of that scene.
1:01:18 It’s really smart in all honesty,
1:01:22 but I can see exactly why Warner was like, no, no, no, that is gone now.
1:01:26 They’ll release something like that in their own in the future, right?
1:01:29 Like here’s your custom Batman story.
1:01:30 I’m sure, I’m sure.
1:01:34 But I mean, like just that idea alone opens up the door for so many
1:01:35 like fan films and that kind of stuff.
1:01:38 I actually, truthfully, I think it’s kind of stupid that Warner knocked it down.
1:01:39 I really think that it’s like, if anything,
1:01:42 that’s just like free publicity for your Batman movie.
1:01:45 So I don’t, you know, that again, I’m not a corporate lawyer.
1:01:51 So again, it’s the point is people are figuring out how to use these tools
1:01:55 to make like knowing the limitations is just creating bumpers
1:01:58 that they know they have to stick between and, you know, with those bumpers,
1:02:02 they’re figuring out how to make stuff look really good and sound really good.
1:02:06 And I think we’re just going to see more and more of that, you know,
1:02:08 ideally people should create their own IP instead of.
1:02:13 I agree with that Marvel or companies like that because that that kind of stuff
1:02:15 probably going to get slapped down every day of the week.
1:02:17 We saw it with the South Park generation, too,
1:02:18 where there was a whole A.I.
1:02:21 Generated South Park episode, which was actually a decent episode.
1:02:23 I watched the whole thing. It was like, that’s not bad.
1:02:26 Yeah. But that also got slapped down, right?
1:02:30 That got that got pulled off the internet because that’s somebody else’s IP.
1:02:34 Yeah, the simulation guys are sort of moving out of that South Park thing.
1:02:37 And now they’re starting to do kind of like their own branded IPs.
1:02:40 And the last one, I think that it kind of looked a little bit more
1:02:42 like that Star Trek lower deck show.
1:02:44 It’s not, but it kind of has that vibe to it.
1:02:47 It’s like a spaceship thing and kind of an animated series.
1:02:49 But that’s, yeah, I agree with you.
1:02:52 I think that, like, just don’t make fan fiction for stuff.
1:02:53 Go make your own fiction.
1:02:56 Like, you know, like it can be very heavily based on, you know,
1:02:58 the thing that you want to make. It’s not the punisher.
1:03:03 It’s the it’s the it’s the punishment or whatever you want to do.
1:03:05 The vindicator. Yeah, exactly.
1:03:08 Yeah. So, you know, just make that instead.
1:03:10 So at least you own it.
1:03:12 Well, cool, Tim, this has been amazing.
1:03:14 You know, obviously this episode isn’t two hours long,
1:03:19 but for anybody who’s listening right now, we’ve actually been recording for two hours.
1:03:22 That’s how we’ve heard out we’ve gone on some of these video tools.
1:03:25 But before we do, like, you shout out your platforms.
1:03:28 I know you’ve got an awesome YouTube channel you post on X.
1:03:29 Where should people go check you out?
1:03:31 That’s really about it right now.
1:03:33 I think next year I’ve got to start
1:03:38 with probably picking your brain a little bit on like on like doing a website
1:03:42 and probably a newsletter at some point or another.
1:03:44 Actually, pick both the channel name in the end.
1:03:46 Oh, sorry. Yeah.
1:03:50 So theoretically, media on YouTube is probably the easiest way.
1:03:53 And then from there, you can find links. Absolutely. Yeah.
1:03:55 Well, thanks again, Tim.
1:03:57 Thanks for everybody who’s tuning in.
1:04:01 Make sure that if you’re not already subscribed, you subscribe on YouTube.
1:04:03 That’s where you’re going to get all the cool visuals.
1:04:06 You’re going to be able to see our breakdown and examples of these tools.
1:04:08 You’re going to be able to see the tier list that we made.
1:04:14 See the handsome faces of Matt and some faces of Tim Nathan.
1:04:15 I was hoping you were going to say Nathan, too.
1:04:17 You’re going to say Matt.
1:04:21 Well, this is awkward.
1:04:26 But again, if you do prefer audio, we are available wherever you listen to podcasts.
1:04:29 So thanks again, Tim, and thanks everybody for tuning in.
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