The Chronic Disease Expert: We Can Now Reverse Stage 4 Cancer! This Common Food Is Feeding Your Cancer Cells!

0:00:06 I’ve had patients go from stage four cancer to stage zero so I have now seen where the end of
0:00:11 cancer is coming from I’ve seen how the war is going to finish and here’s how Dr. William Lee
0:00:15 is a Harvard trained physician and medical scientist whose work is revolutionizing the
0:00:20 way we understand and fight some of the most devastating diseases facing our world today
0:00:25 I’m going to give you a brand new view of thinking about cancer and this is shocking to some people
0:00:31 to hear but every 24 hours there are 10,000 mistakes that are made in your body each of those
0:00:37 is a microscopic cancer but the reason that we don’t become more sick from all kinds of diseases
0:00:43 including cancer is because our body is hardwired with its own health defense systems but here’s the
0:00:49 problem we are presently seeing the fallout of some of the not so good moves that we made in the 1950s
0:00:54 and 60s and 70s for example people might consume as much as a credit card’s worth of plastic every
0:00:58 single week which is very worrying and I will tell you why but there’s also the foods you eat which
0:01:03 contributed taking your health defenses down but the good news is that you can actually put shields up
0:01:07 as well so this is like our experiment and we’re trying to discover drugs that could be developed as
0:01:12 cancer treatments so we said let’s remove half of them and let’s swap them out with food I was a
0:01:18 skeptic but when I saw these results it made my jaw drop because the holy grail in the pharmaceutical
0:01:22 industry is to find something that kill cancerous stem cells and we don’t have a drug that can do that
0:01:27 turns out mother nature beat us to the punch and there’s more than 200 foods that I’ve studied that
0:01:32 can actually starve cancers and if you had to pick five based on the science you’ve seen what would
0:01:38 those top five be the good news is that it’s food that we can eat every single day so number one
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0:02:29 dr william lee if someone has just clicked on this conversation and they’re asking themselves they’re
0:02:34 wondering what they’re going to get out of spending this time with us for the next couple of hours what
0:02:42 would you say directly to them that they will learn gain and how will their life improve I would say that
0:02:48 you’re going to hear about food in a brand new way that you didn’t realize that a decision that you can
0:02:54 make after this listening to this or watching this that you can put into action to your life
0:03:01 immediately could actually help you for the rest of your life it could stave off disease help you feel
0:03:07 stronger even help you with longevity so it’s no single moves that you can make but it’s the
0:03:14 beginning of taking steps that can actually allow you to live the rest of a long enjoyable life and what are the
0:03:20 the key diseases that people are and should be most concerned about today based on that correlation to
0:03:28 the food that we eat yeah if you look at the biggest health crises in the world today in developed
0:03:33 countries um you know you’re really talking about cardiovascular disease being the number one killer
0:03:39 diabetes and all the consequences the devastating consequences that come out listen your blood
0:03:45 sugar is not being very well regulated that’s the definition over time of diabetes but the knock-on
0:03:53 effect of having high uncontrolled sugars is really underlying metabolic chaos there’s a whole litany
0:04:01 of terrible conditions that happens every downstream from that from eye disease to wounds that don’t heal etc etc
0:04:08 cancer is another one dementia is a big bigger and bigger problem as our population ages and a lot of people
0:04:15 don’t recognize this but you know the the saying that inflammation is a root cause of chronic disease
0:04:22 scientifically correct but there are many many inflammatory diseases that are out there that don’t
0:04:28 get enough airplay that really take away the quality of your life as you get older and so i think all of these
0:04:33 things it’s not just about mortality it’s about morbidity it’s not just about living long it’s about living well
0:04:39 and feeling good along the way and where do you think we are as a society especially as westerners as it
0:04:46 relates to our relationship with health and food because when i look at some of the stats around life
0:04:55 expectancy there’s been a bit of a stagnation in i think it was 2020 ish time but then also when you
0:05:01 look at a lot of these chronic diseases whether it’s diabetes whether it’s cancer these things seem to be
0:05:05 on the rise so as a nation it feels like we’ve got more information than ever before but when you look
0:05:10 at the objective numbers yeah for some reason we’re not going in the right direction what’s your
0:05:16 your 30 000 foot view on it 30 000 foot there’s more and more people in the world so once you get
0:05:24 the huge numbers uh the diseases that affect most people are going to magnify so just as a matter of
0:05:29 math we’re going to see more of these chronic diseases um but we’re also going to be seeing two
0:05:37 things that are happening that uh actually oppose each other one thing is that the lifestyle and
0:05:47 dietary harms that have occurred over 20 30 50 years from the industrialization of food from the
0:05:54 industrialization of health care from degradation of the environment those are all things that take time
0:06:02 to manifest and so to some extent we are presently seeing that the fallout of some of the not so good
0:06:08 moves that we made in the 1950s and 60s and 70s and so on and so forth so decades later we’re beginning
0:06:16 to see the consequences devastation of things that happened decades ago that’s one side of elevating
0:06:22 increasing the incidence and prevalence of of health conditions bad health conditions there’s another
0:06:29 side that is countervailing and the other side which is the side i that’s the team i play on is it really
0:06:36 exciting because one thing that’s different is that we have now tremendous scientific power to get in
0:06:42 there and probe diseases and also indeed probe health which is something we’re not doing often enough
0:06:51 and in so doing we’re actually able to find solutions to the problems that that counter some of those harms so
0:06:57 we’re beginning to discover now how do we actually prevent diabetes how do we prevent cardiovascular disease
0:07:05 can we reverse heart disease and even conditions that seemed like no win situations and i like to talk about this is that
0:07:13 in my career i never thought as a physician i would actually see the cure to cancer the end of cancer
0:07:20 but actually i tell you i have now seen where the end of cancer is coming from i’ve seen how the war is going to finish
0:07:26 because i’ve had well over a dozen patients and there are hundreds of people like this that are
0:07:32 starting to form that can go from stage four cancer that’s game over cancer to stage zero we can do this
0:07:39 and it not for everybody yet but we’re beginning to see where the light at the end of the tunnel is and
0:07:44 it involves your immune system and some of the remarkable scientific breakthroughs are teaching us
0:07:51 that our body heals itself against diseases as serious as cancer in ways that the pharmaceutical
0:07:59 industry can’t by itself do but it really relies on the body so when you talk about food as medicine or
0:08:05 medicine as medicine none of them are as powerful as what the body is hardwired to do by itself
0:08:10 when i think about something like cancer it’s slightly terrifying because it feels like a game of roulette
0:08:18 it feels like the the people that get cancer it’s completely random and that our outcomes are also
0:08:22 a game of roulette and this is someone that knows very little about cancer i hear someone that i thought
0:08:27 was very very healthy get cancer and then their outcomes whether they they beat it or not also seem
0:08:34 to be largely down to chance sometimes that’s how it seems what do you think of that view yeah i’m
0:08:42 going to give you a brand new view of thinking about cancer and that is that we are all forming cancer
0:08:47 in our bodies all the time from the time we were kids you don’t have clinical cancer you haven’t gone to
0:08:53 the doctor to get a diagnosis still start forming cancers and let me tell you why cancers are like
0:09:01 pimples in our body all right and this is shocking to some people to hear but our the human body is made up of
0:09:09 about 40 trillion cells that’s more cells in our body than stars in a clear sky all right and these
0:09:17 cells have to divide uh to be able to reproduce themselves uh copy and paste every cell has its own
0:09:24 genetic material called dna it’s our instructions for how our cells are work so you get a copy and paste
0:09:32 your dna all right now copying and pasting is a tricky thing to do really well so if i gave you
0:09:38 a sentence to write steven and i said copy it 10 times on a word document you’ll do it perfectly
0:09:45 if i get told you to copy it a thousand times you’re going to make a few mistakes good thing that we have
0:09:52 spell check to fix it to catch it and fix it but if i asked you to copy a single sentence
0:09:58 40 trillion times you’re going to make so many mistakes that your spell check isn’t even going to
0:10:03 be able to catch all of it okay and that’s what’s happening in our body every single day as we are
0:10:08 replicating ourselves we’re going to make mistakes and whenever there’s a mistake that’s being made
0:10:15 that isn’t caught and fixed that’s a mutation and so we have mutations that are forming in our body
0:10:21 just as a matter just as an outcome of being alive and doing our thing and we’re not sick
0:10:28 from those mutations but every mutation is the beginning of a microscopic cancer take a guess
0:10:35 of how many mistakes in dna of copying and pasting your own body uh are made every 24 hours take a
0:10:41 guess this has been calculated randomly well there’s so many cells in my body so
0:10:49 it’s going to be a big number a million okay every day every 24 hours there are 10 000 mistakes
0:10:57 that are made in your body that your body doesn’t catch that keep on that propagate in the document of
0:11:04 our body as it goes on 10 10 000 each of those is a microscopic cancer a microscopic cancer is just
0:11:10 that it’s microscopic it’s too small to be seen with the naked eye but it’s abnormal and that thing could
0:11:16 turn turn turn into a big tumor that could eventually kill you so why don’t we die from cancer all the
0:11:21 time now this is actually something that i see as a physician i have a patient diagnosed with cancer
0:11:28 they always ask me dr lee why me why did i get breast cancer colon cancer pancreatic cancer brain tumor
0:11:36 a very very uh natural question and i do my best to try to provide an empathic answer to that question
0:11:42 but as a researcher i have a more interesting question given the number of mutations that occur
0:11:48 in our body every single day why don’t we get cancer more often why don’t we all get cancer as kids you
0:11:55 know cancer can happen in children but not as often as we have mutations and it turns out this was the great
0:12:05 the reason that we don’t become more sick from all kinds of diseases including cancer is because our
0:12:12 body is hardwired with its own health defense systems so that we’ve got these swashbuckling defenses
0:12:19 that are firing on all cylinders all day long from the from the moment we’re born until our very last breath
0:12:24 these systems that are inside our body defend our health including the microscopic cancers
0:12:32 spots them takes them out kind of like a police cruiser patrolling a quiet neighborhood sees a drug
0:12:38 dealer on the corner pops them in the back of the police vehicle and takes them away cleaning up the
0:12:44 neighborhood that’s how our body naturally cleans up these microscopic cancers and so when you talk about
0:12:53 cancer as a scary disease you’re thinking about the person whose body has failed to detect and eliminate
0:12:58 the microscopic cancers and it’s become large enough to actually become a threat now here’s a question for
0:13:04 you so we tell women to actually do a self breast exam when they’re taking a shower you know look for
0:13:09 lumps or bumps and you know if you find one you know certainly go to your doctor immediately for an exam
0:13:17 the smallest cancer that you could feel with a trained person can feel with their with their hands
0:13:21 in the breast is one centimeter in diameter
0:13:29 a one centimeter breast cancer already has one billion cancer cells that have already multiplied that
0:13:33 microscopic cancer multiplied a billion times that’s the smallest one you can feel
0:13:41 now immune systems not taking them out all right so you need a better immune system if you want a shot at
0:13:48 this not just chemo or hormonal therapy and that’s where some of these incredible advances are taking place
0:13:54 but there’s another one in order to feed a billion cancer cells you need blood vessels to feed them so
0:14:01 the cancers as they get bigger they hijack our own circulation to feed themselves okay it’s kind of like
0:14:06 terrorists kicking in the cockpit door to take over the controls of the plane they want to actually get
0:14:11 your blood vessels to feed themselves now normally the body knows how to control those blood vessels
0:14:17 it’s called angiogenesis angio blood blood vessels genesis how the body grows and controls them that’s
0:14:23 my area of research so naturally our body knows how to prevent blood vessels from feeding cancers
0:14:30 and yet knows how to direct blood vessels to feed healthy tissues so guess what a one centimeter tumor
0:14:38 with one billion cancer cells is fed by 100 million blood vessels coursing into the tumor to feed them
0:14:44 and we’ve studied this in a laboratory the moment that a single blood vessel touches a tumor tiny microscopic
0:14:53 tumor it will grow 16 000 times in size in just two weeks wow all right so i’ve told you some scary
0:14:57 statistics but now let me kind of give you the where the breakthroughs are coming through right
0:15:02 so with this kind of knowledge what do we what can we do with cancer not just breast cancers but
0:15:09 in general number one we know that if you boost your immune system with foods with exercise diet
0:15:15 lifestyle you’re going to actually make your immune defenses a lot stronger to patrol your body
0:15:22 to wipe out those microscopic cancers that’s why healthy diet lifestyle lowers the risk of cancer
0:15:28 that’s why eating the right foods that boost your immunity can substantially lower your risk of cancer
0:15:37 as well we also know that you can eat foods that support prompt up fortify your body’s natural ability to
0:15:42 to control blood vessels keep those blood vessels where they’re supposed to be and get rid of those
0:15:48 blood vessels where you don’t want them to be which is kicking in the cockpit to take over your
0:15:53 circulation to feed cancers so if you eat foods like that are anti-antrogenic foods that got unstable you’ve
0:16:01 got coffee and tea both of those contain natural substances that cut off the blood supply and starve
0:16:07 cancers that’s a good thing so that’s why we know our what we do with our diet can actually help to
0:16:13 lower the risk of cancer as well i’m assuming the opposite also applies i i could eat foods i can drink
0:16:21 things that cause my body to malfunction i makes the blood vessels unregulated makes and starts to feed
0:16:26 the cancer right yeah absolutely so let’s talk let’s talk a little bit about that so okay so i told you the
0:16:31 the body’s hardwired with these defenses shields up right that’s what we want to do because shields
0:16:36 are already normally up you want to raise them higher but what about and this is a brilliant
0:16:40 question you’re asking a very probing question what are the things that take your shields down
0:16:48 right what are the things that turn off the smoke alarm in your house that unlock the doors can i take
0:16:58 a good guess is it this okay now i know the answer that you’re setting this conversation up for which is
0:17:07 a burger with meat uh is that actually uh disease causing and i would i would tell you that yes and no
0:17:16 a burger is something that many people enjoy eating and i would say eating meat eating burgers even eating
0:17:23 ultra processed foods once in a while is not going to harm you if your health defenses are naturally
0:17:34 strong but if you make it a habit a regular habit of eating this at the expense of eating healthier foods
0:17:44 more plant-based foods less processed foods okay um you are actually going to tip the uh your odds
0:17:50 where the diseases are more likely to get you but that what that means is that over eating fast foods
0:17:57 like burgers will actually contribute to taking your uh health defenses down shields down so what are
0:18:03 those things then that bring the shield down you were saying okay excess sodium too much salt which can
0:18:09 be present in a lot of restaurant foods people eat out a lot go to restaurants all the time you ever
0:18:13 you ever go to the back of the kitchen or restaurant to see how they’re salting seizing their food
0:18:19 patrons love salty food it makes food taste really great there’s a you know our brains uh respond very
0:18:27 well to salty food that high sodium levels actually speeds up accelerates our cellular aging so we actually
0:18:34 age faster but it also um is a huge wear and tear on our health defenses specifically our circulation
0:18:41 our our blood vessels our androgenesis system is taken down by excess salt okay i’ve got a question
0:18:47 here obviously there’s a big movement at the moment around hydration and electrolytes and these
0:18:52 electrolytes have magnesium potassium they have sodium in them yeah so a lot of people are now taking
0:19:00 electrolytes to hydrate themselves is there a risk here so the great news is that the healthy body
0:19:10 has got its own titration system for electrolytes if you drink a electrolyte fortified beverage you get
0:19:14 your body’s going to take everything it needs and it’s going to pee out the rest you’re going to
0:19:22 eliminate through your urine all right however sodium uh is one of those electrolytes is present like
0:19:25 you’re not drinking electrolyte fluid all day long but sodium you’re eating it in almost every food that
0:19:31 you actually have except perhaps dessert but maybe even then and so this is one of the things that we
0:19:36 realize is sodium is a high risk for hypertension high blood pressure inflammation of the lining of
0:19:41 your circulation and that that sets up for a lot of badness downstream when it comes to your health and
0:19:46 it takes down your circulation um health defenses that we talked about high blood sugar can also do the
0:19:53 same thing so if you’re eating an excess of added sugar we all have heard by now glucose spikes and
0:19:59 glucose crashes i don’t actually use those words by the way i don’t like to actually cast our body’s
0:20:07 metabolism in terms of spikes and crashes i think those are fear words that get attention uh they they do
0:20:14 make you pay attention to it but in fact really our the healthy body sort of has you know smooth
0:20:20 ups and smooth downs they’re gentle slopes up and down of our blood sugar and that’s completely fine
0:20:26 all right and and it should be like that however if you have an uphill climb of your blood glucose and
0:20:34 it continues to stay up that can actually happen if you’re eating too much added sugar okay added sugar
0:20:42 ultra processed foods what happens is that your blood sugars your intake of the sugar glucose rises up up
0:20:47 up up up up and now your body has your metabolism chase that blood sugar down and it’s got to work
0:20:52 harder and make more insulin and eventually you just wear out that system and then you have a high blood
0:21:00 blood glucose and an insensitive metabolism and that’s the beginning of sort of the the dominoes
0:21:06 starting to fall apart in your body and so sugar high blood sugar added sugar is a problem you get it from
0:21:12 fruit not a problem okay no one’s going to be eating a crazy amount of fruit this is why extremes aren’t
0:21:18 good diversity switch it out keep it interesting for yourself this is what our human nature uh wants
0:21:25 anyway uh it’s how we’re hardwired you’ll you’ll actually be fine so salt sugar those are two offenders
0:21:30 okay um alcohol is another one that actually can take down your health defenses over time
0:21:36 you know people say well what about red wine isn’t red wine healthy what i would say is that actually
0:21:43 the fermented products the or the bioactives that come out of red grapes from the skin of red grapes
0:21:50 that’s found in red wine those there can be some healthful properties of the resveratrol and other
0:21:55 polyphenols that come out of uh that are in wine but it’s never the alcohol it’s not the alcohol in the
0:22:01 beer the wine the whiskey nope none of that is the alcohol is a universal toxin toxic to your brain
0:22:07 toxic to your liver toxic to your heart can’t get away from that your body will recover shields up
0:22:12 little it can take a ding it’s like a you know like a drink is sort of like a driving behind a truck
0:22:18 and it flings a little pebble right into your windshield you might get a little spider in the
0:22:23 windshield okay don’t worry it’ll repair itself you’ll fix yourself you’ll bounce back it’s not going to break
0:22:28 your windshield but if you keep on drinking you’re actually going to smash your windshield and that’s
0:22:34 why alcoholism is so devastating to the health but you know regular a small amount of alcohol so
0:22:42 alcohol itself is is a toxin do you drink uh i i rarely drink and when i drink it’s in moderation
0:22:49 and i was thinking about stress as well does that bring down there so besides the foods you eat other
0:22:54 things that can compromise your health defenses uh and by the way there are five health defenses we
0:22:59 talked about blood vessels we talk about immunity but there’s three other ones uh that are core to
0:23:04 functioning in the healthiest way possible but you want to if you have longevity you need all five of your
0:23:10 health defenses and more to be working in your favor but stress what does stress do lowers your immune
0:23:16 system shields down all right those microscopic cancers whoa that’s why stressful people are
0:23:23 more vulnerable to develop diseases like cancer all right stress also causes your blood pressure to go
0:23:29 up and causes neurotransmitters hormones to be released from your brain and your kidneys your adrenal glands
0:23:37 that actually wear down your circulation now your androgenesis system is also uh not functioning uh
0:23:42 as well to protect yourself and keep good blood flow going where it needs to go now your circulation is
0:23:48 actually down um so again stress also can actually damage the dna we talked about naturally copying
0:23:53 pasting and having errors add some stress to it now it’s kind of like um you’re trying to copy that
0:23:57 sentence i was telling you perfectly now i’m going to come and just smash your fingers down every now
0:24:02 and then and let’s see if you actually make a mistake you will all right stress will actually
0:24:08 do that it’s devastating to have so much stress continuously listen by the way i want to be really
0:24:14 clear to anybody listening or watching this a little stress is actually good for you you know like just
0:24:19 being coddled all day long and living in a happy bubble that doesn’t that’s not that’s not good for
0:24:26 our health either we kind of get lackadaisical we let our guard down little stress i mean anybody who’s
0:24:32 hard-working you know successful knows that you know it’s not the no pain no gain it’s that the that the
0:24:38 grit that goes along with us which gives a little stress keeps us sharp you know uh which is a which
0:24:44 is a good thing you want to be on you want to be on so a little stress is good but when that stress
0:24:50 is unabated it literally sinks your health defenses it is just taking those shields down yeah i’ve noticed
0:24:55 that with myself i’ve spent the last 10 years running businesses a little bit more than 10 years now but
0:25:01 probably like the last 13 years running businesses and the only times when i really get sick where i’m
0:25:12 like out for a week and i really really feel it is one week after two weeks of stress so when i say two
0:25:17 weeks of stress what i mean there is when something happens in my life business where that it’s kind of
0:25:22 chronic and it’s enduring stress i can deal with having a stressful day i can deal with having two
0:25:27 stressful days in a row but when i’ve had like two weeks of an enduring issue like an enduring angst
0:25:34 or a problem almost perfectly predictably a week later i’m sick and i’m extremely rarely sick because
0:25:39 i think i sleep really well like i think i eat really clean and so it’s taught me something about
0:25:43 if i zoom out on that and see what’s going on in my body well eventually like my body’s kind of my immune
0:25:49 system is running out of energy yeah more than in your immune system so when you’re super stressed it
0:25:55 also interferes with your ability to sleep well yeah when you’re sleeping well you know sleeping is
0:26:00 something that i was taught when i was a kid when you’re sleeping you’re resting and when you’re
0:26:05 resting you’re not active right well that’s just our physical self it turns out when we’re sleeping
0:26:10 even though our muscles may not be moving like we are during the day in fact a lot of other systems
0:26:17 including our health defenses are being repaired renewed regenerated rebooted while we’re sleeping
0:26:23 so in those ideally eight hours seven to nine hours eight’s the sweet number sweet number you know
0:26:30 our brain is cleansing itself detoxifying itself releasing you know about the glymphatic system in the brain
0:26:37 not as well as you do okay well there’s a there’s a um sewer system of the grain in our brains that’s
0:26:44 called the glymphatic system and it’s shut tightly during the daytime when we’re using our brain doing
0:26:52 our work uh whatever we’re doing and during the day we accumulate a lot of uh toxins in inside our brain
0:26:56 during the day it’s just a matter of functioning all right and what happens is that those toxins
0:27:03 accumulate which is that you know at the end of a really really tough hard day you got if not a headache
0:27:09 you’ve got your you feel like your brain is it’s full it’s the cup runneth over right all right so when
0:27:16 you go to sleep guess what this sewer system it’s like the sewers appear underneath paris the grates open up
0:27:23 suddenly and it drains those toxins out while you’re sleeping and only when you get good sleep so when you’re
0:27:28 stressed and you’re not getting good sleep you start to accumulate these toxins that are never quite
0:27:33 cleaned up and your brain is not that cleaned up when your brain’s not cleaned up you’re feeling foggy
0:27:39 so think about uh you know when you’re in college you pull an all-nighter or go to a party or whatever and
0:27:43 you’re and you’re staying up all night you’re never quite the same it takes a while for your brain
0:27:48 to clean up itself and when your brain is foggy you tend to not make as good decisions
0:27:53 i’m too tired to work out i’m too tired i don’t care what i eat i’m just hungry i’m gonna eat anything
0:27:59 you start to make bad decisions when it comes to diet and lifestyle you see so it’s it the stress
0:28:04 can cascade on your health like that is there a certain stage of sleep where the glymphatic
0:28:10 system kicks in yeah it’s during like the deep REM sleep okay that dreaming sleep okay and that
0:28:15 usually comes later in the night as well correct correct and in more quality quantity later in the
0:28:20 night so you need to really be getting a lot of sleep now the other thing about deep sleep is while
0:28:27 you’re sleeping really deeply your metabolism is also burning down fat so you think that you’re not
0:28:32 working out during the night you’re right you’re not actually exercising but in fact your metabolism is
0:28:38 burning fat because while you’re sleeping and your insulin levels don’t need to be high because you’re
0:28:45 not eating insulin levels go down your metabolism shifts gears i i sort of give people the analogy
0:28:54 it’s like your your body is a race car sports car like a ferrari during the day you are in gear to drive
0:29:01 accumulate speed and in your your revenue engines at night you shift gears where you’re actually
0:29:07 burning down fat you don’t need to accumulate more fuel now you’re burning down the fuel so when
0:29:12 you’re sleeping you’re actually burning away fat but when you don’t sleep well well you don’t sleep
0:29:19 long enough you’re not burning down that fuel that fuel accumulates day or two of not good no sleep
0:29:25 that’s that’s okay think about flying overseas getting some jet lag you got to catch up once you get
0:29:29 catch up you feel better all right but think about this like day in and day out chronically stressed people
0:29:35 who are never getting good sleep add a little booze alcohol to the to the equation you can kind of see
0:29:38 the problems they’re going to build up your brain is going to be foggy your metabolism is going to be
0:29:44 out of whack you’re not burning as much fat from the calories you ate during the day now inflammation
0:29:51 starts to rise in your body and that inflammation really takes down your health defenses and now you’re
0:29:59 much more vulnerable so in your own example of where chronic stress leads to poor sleep and then
0:30:05 you get sick no surprise if we go back up the thread there we were talking about the sort of individual
0:30:09 perspective on cancer and i was looking at some stats here and it says that the number one google search
0:30:13 related to cancer is breast cancer one in two people will develop some form of cancer during their
0:30:19 lifetime that’s according to the nhs cancer is the second highest leading cause of death worldwide and by 2040
0:30:23 there will be 28 million new cases of cancer each year worldwide but one of the most shocking things
0:30:32 that i saw was that globally early onset cancer incidence has risen by about 80 percent by 1990
0:30:36 and 2019 and there was an article which i’d sent to my team a couple of weeks ago
0:30:43 it’s called the worrying puzzle behind the rise of early onset cancer and it says that there are rising
0:30:48 cases of breast collateral and other cancers and people in their 20s 30s and 40s and it posits
0:30:55 the question what is going on over the last 10 years rates of colorectal cancer among 25 to 49
0:31:01 year olds has increased in 24 different countries including the uk us france australia canada norway
0:31:12 and argentina i mean what is going on yeah that’s a big question so are we seeing the results of more
0:31:19 harms in our environment that we’re being exposed to that are more toxic and leading to earlier
0:31:26 incidents of clinical cancer they’re talking about clinical diagnosed cancer not the invisible microscopic
0:31:31 ones that are forming all the time um it’s yes it’s very worrying are we be exposing ourselves
0:31:38 to something that is more commonly encountered today than before number one number two
0:31:46 are our defenses being taken down by forces that we didn’t appreciate are compromising it’s most
0:31:52 likely both it’s most likely uh i mean the human makeup hasn’t changed and so it’s got to be the fact
0:31:58 a combination that we’re being exposed to more harmful things and though some of those harmful
0:32:02 things are actually that you know provoking more cancers but and we’re also being exposed
0:32:08 to things that take down our health defenses so the balance is being tipped against us and
0:32:13 it’s true i can tell you that when i went to medical school i mean colorectal cancer was something that
0:32:22 you rarely saw in people even in their 50s it was for much older uh people uh now to see i mean there’s
0:32:28 even teenagers that have actually developed colorectal cancer which was unfathomable so i will tell you
0:32:32 one thing that’s actually arisen in terms of like what are some of the clues of these things that could be
0:32:37 happening right so we are talking about climate change and all the things that are happening in
0:32:43 our environment that’s a that’s almost too big uh a conversation to have to answer a question like
0:32:51 this but we i think we cannot afford to ignore the fact that the environment the climate that we live in
0:32:58 has changed but there are other things that we’re beginning to unearth that we didn’t realize until just
0:33:04 within the last few years and one of them is the is how many inflammatory microplastics we are ingesting
0:33:16 when i was growing up uh my mom very uh well-intentioned would store foods in plastic leftovers uh
0:33:22 and we’d buy foods that came in plastic packages right we didn’t think think second have a second thought
0:33:28 about it a plastic cup styrofoam cup go to a picnic you’re eating off of a plastic plate right i mean
0:33:35 these are all common uh experiences that we all have uh in the modern developed world well what
0:33:42 have i told you that we now realize that the plastic touching food can shed the plastic itself as
0:33:49 micro particles into the food and then we eat the food and okay we’ve known this for maybe more than
0:33:55 a decade maybe there’s a little plastic particles uh that come off but you know hey there’s no harm
0:34:00 right we haven’t been able to discover it i used to say that now just within the last few years we’re
0:34:09 beginning to pinpoint that number one it does plastics can actually embed themselves in our body we even
0:34:17 know where we also know that these plastics uh are associated with inflammation that is a big red flag
0:34:24 the klaxon alarm should start going off and third is that the volume of plastics that we’re consuming
0:34:31 is crazy there was a study that came out recently that showed that in normal autopsies of people that
0:34:38 didn’t die of a brain problem that when they were doing the autopsies and looking for plastic
0:34:43 that we could find them and the amount of plastic that was found in the average human brain
0:34:51 is about the amount you’d find in a typical plastic picnic spoon just distributed throughout the brain
0:34:56 this is like a normal it’s a person who’s died of something else wow does that mean that you know like
0:35:01 you and i are actually you got a plastic spoon worth of plastic in our brain there’s been some people
0:35:06 that calculated and this has been the actual calculator math has been challenged but there
0:35:10 was an estimate that you know some people might consume as much as a credit card’s worth of plastic
0:35:14 every single week in their food if they’re not careful about it and let me just tell you where
0:35:19 we’re finding microplastics and you know i want to get to the point where we’re talking about the healthy
0:35:25 foods that can actually turn the ship around how do we turn the battleship of of unhealth back to health
0:35:29 so we’re back on the course that everybody wants to go to we want to go to that north
0:35:34 how do we find our north star for health so i do want to get to that but let me just say something
0:35:38 about microplastics we’ve now found microplastics in the brain as i mentioned to you
0:35:46 we found it in a bloodstream a group in italy actually looking at men who had narrowing of
0:35:51 the carotid artery that’s the blood vessel feeding the brain from that comes from the heart
0:35:56 right to the brain the carotid artery through the neck through the neck they found that the narrowing
0:36:02 that can occur in some men can accumulate plastic they can actually find plastic particles there’s
0:36:07 photographs of the chunks of plastic the particles fragments of plastic in there and they followed
0:36:14 them over a period of time those men who had plastic embedded in their blood vessel lining had a four-fold
0:36:20 increase in the chances of having a fatal heart attack or a stroke late years later four hundred percent
0:36:26 four four fourfold yeah okay now that’s that’s not kidding right so now you’re now we’re beginning to
0:36:32 take notice of this but we’re also finding microplastics in breast milk we’re finding
0:36:37 microplastics in testicles we’re finding microplastics in human semen
0:36:44 how’s it get there and urologists who are doing surgery on the penis are finding that in
0:36:50 in the human flesh when you look into the microscope we never used to look for this now we’re looking for
0:36:58 it that there’s even microplastics in the flesh of the penis okay so if anybody listening isn’t taking
0:37:04 notice about microplastics now it’s time to start thinking about this so one of the questions is and
0:37:10 i’m not saying that the rise in rate of cancers that we’re seeing is due to microplastics what i may
0:37:17 what i am saying is that we’re beginning to wake up to the fact so let’s close off on microplastics what
0:37:23 are the the easy wins in our lives do you think when you think about microplastics is it just removing
0:37:28 anything plastic that i eat from or are there some sort of easy cheap wins is it my shampoo is it
0:37:35 my frying pan is it a container yeah so i always tell people that the easiest way to lower your exposure to
0:37:41 microplastics is to throw out your plastic cups your plastic plates and your plastic silverware
0:37:49 okay and get ceramic or glass uh that’s the best way to actually avoid those and also when you’re
0:37:56 buying food try to avoid food that comes clearly packaged in plastic all right now i do want to point
0:38:02 out one thing because right here on this table we are looking at a tray full of beverages and i can
0:38:09 already identify the matcha and this looks like a cup of coffee and we’ve got english breakfast
0:38:14 tea i’ve done a lot of research on tea all right but i’m noticing something that green tea which is
0:38:21 universally healthy the polyphenols in green tea lower the risk of inflammation they actually improve
0:38:27 your metabolism lower your risk of cancer their heart healthy before you take that sip though let me tell
0:38:34 you i see a tea bag in there okay and there’s different ways of brewing your tea it turns out
0:38:39 research from the university of montreal have now shown that um tea bags can shed microplastics
0:38:47 so you can have a billion particles of microplastic shed from a single tea bag okay all right so i just
0:38:53 changed your mind right so look this is the power of awareness and understanding i probably should have
0:38:58 stopped you yeah what it was you were like why didn’t you save my life no you let me drink it first but
0:39:05 i’ve i just as you were doing it i was like uh all right but look there’s another there’s another one there
0:39:10 that’s got uh lemon ginger tea this is like an herbal tea that’s fine listen um i i would also tell
0:39:17 you with flavored teas just be cautious like always check anything that’s been machined to be a little
0:39:21 bit more than nature tea bags are supposed to be paper right well in order to prevent the paper from
0:39:27 ripping the the manufacturers of the tea bags spray it with a small amount of plastic to have it hang
0:39:31 together better and that’s the plastic that comes off but what about the lemon and ginger in this lemon
0:39:38 ginger tea that that sounds so appealing and calming right and and something that most people would find
0:39:43 nice as an herbal tea well listen you’re you’re relying on a factory to actually put that lemon
0:39:49 flavor ginger ginger flavor is it real lemon or is it real ginger always look at the ingredient label
0:39:55 to know what’s in there or just buy your own tea and squeeze your own lemon and and add your own piece
0:40:03 of ginger these are ways to actually kind of avoid the uh potential exposures to toxins that come from
0:40:09 ultra processed food so all this conversation about you know avoid ultra ultra processed foods and watch
0:40:14 out for all those harmful things you know it’s actually quite easy to dodge them if you just have
0:40:18 in your mindset that you’re just going to make it yourself and it’s uh absolutely easy now i will tell
0:40:24 you in something interesting about english breakfast tea we did research at the androgenesis foundation
0:40:29 the non-profit i i looked at to look at um different types of teas different types of green tea
0:40:38 japanese tea chinese jasmine tea uh english tea and we were always assuming again this is the power of
0:40:42 food as medicine research we were always assuming that the green tea is going to be the best i’d
0:40:49 always heard that japanese green tea is going to be like the ultra best and what we found was that english
0:40:54 tea specifically earl grey tea actually was the most potent when it actually supported your blood
0:41:00 vessels your body’s defense system for angiogenesis to keep your circulation healthy wow what a surprise
0:41:07 that is and this spoke to me about the fact that we can’t make assumptions we need to look at facts we need
0:41:14 to look at data and so i’m a big fan of earl grey now now what could what what might make earl grey give
0:41:20 earl grey its superpower well this is where knowing a little bit about what you’re eating is actually
0:41:28 useful because earl grey is a fermented uh it’s a black tea it’s got bergamot in it and bergamot is a kind
0:41:35 of a citrus so maybe it’s combining those uh ingredients that actually provides the superpower but i do see
0:41:44 matcha on this uh uh tray i want to tell you about matcha because it is a matcha is truly a super
0:41:49 enriched polyphenol enriched tea a lot of people don’t realize that there’s no tea bag in it so don’t
0:41:58 worry so a lot of people think about matcha uh as just another green tea but it’s not another green tea
0:42:03 it is made with green tea leaves the same kind of green tea leaves but uh as you would find in any
0:42:11 green tea however it’s what’s the composition of matcha matcha is green tea that is before it’s
0:42:18 ready for harvest is grown under a shade that changes its chemical structure natural chemical structure a
0:42:23 little bit so it’s got a lot of potency to it and what happens with matcha is they take the tea leaf
0:42:30 they take out the stem of the green of the of the green tea leaf and they ground up the actual leaf
0:42:36 into a powder now what’s in that green tea leaf you’ve got not just some of the polyphenols that
0:42:43 might steep out in the cup whether you’re using a tea bag or loose leaf tea you’re getting all the
0:42:50 polyphenols suspended in that so now you get 100 polyphenol okay in matcha so go ahead you’re go ahead
0:42:57 do it okay that one’s good all right okay for matcha and because you’re getting the tea leaf
0:43:02 ground to it you’re also getting your dietary fiber that dietary fiber is good for your gut health your
0:43:09 microbiome good for uh your metabolism good for lowering inflammation and the polyphenols found in
0:43:18 green tea have also been uh matcha matcha tea have also been found in the lab to kill breast cancer
0:43:24 stem cells what’s a breast cancer stem cell what’s a stem cell cancer stem cell well look stem cells are
0:43:32 these renewable cells all right and um cancers contain stem cells that help the cancers come back
0:43:36 right if you get cancer you get it treated one the one thing you don’t want it to do is to come back
0:43:43 so um and by the way other foods can also do kill cancer stem cells purple potatoes uh that you might
0:43:49 might have seen in the market they’re kind of purpley looking on the outside slice it open dark purple on
0:43:55 the inside all right turns out that those purple potatoes have something called anthocyanins purple
0:44:01 potatoes have been studied in a lab okay at penn state university and been shown to kill colon cancer
0:44:08 stem cells which contribute to the colon cancer coming back so full disclaimer i am i made a very very big
0:44:16 investment uh a seven-figure investment into a matcha company a couple years ago and if you look at the
0:44:20 search trend data on the subject of matcha i don’t know if you’ve seen this but that’s
0:44:26 i’ll throw it up on the screen for anyone that’s watching on video but you can see how it’s just come
0:44:32 out of nowhere it seems it’s exploded and when you say that matcha cells have an impact on breast cancer
0:44:38 cells what does that mean in reality does it because obviously the the conclusion one might
0:44:43 jump to is that if you drink matcha you’re lowering your risk of breast cancer but that’s not necessarily
0:44:49 what you’re saying what i’m at what i am saying is that drinking green tea in its most healthful form
0:44:56 okay um raises your body’s health defense systems yeah and by having better health defense systems better
0:45:02 immunity better control over your blood vessels better control over your dna and those mutations
0:45:07 and if you can actually kill some of those stem cells cancer stem cells that’s going to be in your
0:45:15 favor as well that is overall going to actually lower your risk of cancer and so i think that and by the way the
0:45:21 other thing that green tea and matcha can actually do is improve your metabolism it’s really pretty much
0:45:30 all good my my great uncle by the way lived to 104 years old vital intact uh independent he told me that
0:45:38 he attributed his longevity and his vitality to the fact that he lived at the base of a mountain that
0:45:46 grew tea that every morning he got up and he walked up he walked up stone steps a stone path to a tea garden
0:45:52 and he had freshly picked tea it’s all organically grown and everything and he and he drank tea all
0:45:57 day long he probably had 10 cups of green tea a day and this has been his whole life he sat with his uh
0:46:05 uh uh close friends who are also very vibrant and and elderly um social connection all right watch the
0:46:12 sunrise it’s very calming do you drink it absolutely um i’ve got just going up the the thread again a
0:46:18 little bit you mentioned the word colorectal hmm where is the colorectal all right so we have a
0:46:24 little uh model here because i’m asking this because i’m wondering why that type of cancer is increasing so
0:46:34 is there is there a particular reason why well okay so let’s do a quick uh medical school uh course crash course
0:46:43 for podcasters um the the gut we talk about gut health most people think of the gut as sort of lower
0:46:49 down in your belly or maybe even just your stomach but the gut actually starts in your mouth and it runs
0:46:55 down down down about 40 feet worth of stuff organs uh your esophagus your stomach your small intestines
0:47:01 your large intestines by the way these squigglies are your small intestines all right this blue is your
0:47:07 large intestines this is like a it’s shaped like a horseshoe it’s big thick uh tube that that’s kind
0:47:14 of uh framing your small intestines and then it goes down the poop chute direct on the anus that’s the
0:47:24 end of your gut all right so the colon is really the large uh framing thick part of the gut it’s near the
0:47:30 very end all right so all this squiggly small intestines winds up here uh at the beginning of
0:47:36 the colon the colon goes up it’s called the ascending colon and then it makes a sharp angle turn right
0:47:41 across your belly kind of like a belt right across your belly this is colon here and then it goes to the
0:47:47 descending colon take the elevator down down down down down down you see the blue downs going down and
0:47:52 then it kind of takes a little jog at the very end and goes down into your rectum and your anus okay
0:47:58 right so the blue thing is my colon so this is where cancer incidence is rising in young people so
0:48:03 you’re talking about the rising in instance of colorectal cancer that could be a cancer that’s
0:48:10 typically uh either on the right side of the colon either the going up up the upside up the elevator yeah
0:48:16 or down the elevator on the right side of the left side okay yeah okay it turns out that we’ve known for
0:48:24 a long time that unhealthy diets are linked to a higher risk of colorectal cancer specifically
0:48:32 processed meats so the world health organization contain considers processed meats salami bologna
0:48:40 ultra processed you know kind of deli meats delicates you find a delicatessen all right um those would be uh
0:48:49 considered uh considered uh carcinogens and and they’re they are uh highly linked to an increased
0:48:54 risk of bowel cancers now why would that be well it turns out that think about it if you’re eating a ton
0:49:01 of meat all right you’re actually exposing the gut to a lot of those processed meat carcinogens that when
0:49:07 it sits around your colon not one not not once in a while go to the ball game have a hot dog enjoy
0:49:15 yourself but if you eat it day in and day out you’re giving a lot of exposure uh to your gut this term
0:49:22 angiogenesis you’ve talked about the link that that has to cancer angiogenesis from my um novice
0:49:28 understanding is how the blood cells provide blood to different parts of our body right and in the case of
0:49:37 cancer there’s this the angiogenesis system is making a mistake is that a simplified version of
0:49:45 it yeah so angiogenesis which is the field i study study we break it down uh it to what its elemental
0:49:51 parts of angio blood blood vessel genesis how the body grows and maintains them so angiogenesis is how
0:49:57 our body grows and maintains our circulation a lot of people don’t know this but our circulation is one of
0:50:03 our body’s health defense systems and it’s so extensive that in a typical adult there are 60
0:50:09 000 miles worth of blood vessels packed inside our body these are the highways and byways that deliver
0:50:16 blood to every organ and tissue but that means that they also deliver the air we breathe the oxygen
0:50:20 we’re breathing in and the nutrients that we’re eating so we eat good things are going into our bloodstream
0:50:25 and our blood vessels our angiogenesis systems develop delivering to every cell in the body now you eat
0:50:31 something bad similarly or you breathe something in bed similarly your those blood vessels are delivering
0:50:38 something negative now inside the blood vessels um is a lining it’s called the lining is like a clear
0:50:47 like a plastic wrap inside the blood vessel called the endothelial layer that’s like a layer of ice like on an
0:50:53 ice skating rink to ensure that everything in the blood vessels are flowing smoothly without getting
0:51:00 caught on the walls so when you have cardiovascular disease too much uh uh too much salt to hypertension
0:51:04 when you have diabetes where you’re actually wearing down the lining of the blood vessels
0:51:10 endothelial layers being damaged it’s like um damaging the lining of your angiogenesis defense
0:51:17 system has really deadly consequences because it’s like scraping up the ice on an ice skating rink
0:51:23 you know uh if you actually have a lot of ice skaters on a rink after a while it’s unskatable right
0:51:28 you can’t get on it and what will happen in your bloodstream is then elements in your blood get caught
0:51:34 along the walls and they build up and that’s actually how blood vessels narrow up so that’s
0:51:41 one of the areas of of so androgenesis actually is intended to deliver oxygen and nutrients to the
0:51:48 tissues that need it for to maintain your health but because it’s so critical it’s also very very
0:51:53 carefully controlled so you don’t have blood vessels growing where they should not be growing
0:51:59 like in your joints in your eyes or of course to cancers you don’t definitely don’t want to be
0:52:06 feeding cancers by delivering oxygen or nutrients to them i’ve got this graph which shows different
0:52:13 things that cause more or less angiogenesis if you’ve seen this graph but okay so you are showing
0:52:20 a graph that i i generated my my organization generated and this is actually you’re looking at the
0:52:26 experiment that got me into food as medicine let me explain to you the experiment um i’ll just put it
0:52:35 i’ll put it over here so um so we were studying at one point drugs and we’re trying to discover drugs
0:52:40 that could be developed as cancer treatments so we were looking for our drugs that could cut off the
0:52:48 blood supply to tumors so we were screening uh lots of chemicals that biotech companies were developing and
0:52:53 inventing and professors were inventing and said hey can you take a look to see this could be a
0:52:58 worthwhile drug that could cut off the blood supply to a tumor as a cancer treatment all right and at
0:53:04 the time there were no such treatments so it was all discovery like this was you know like the like
0:53:08 the golden age of discovery when it came to angiogenesis we’re testing oh my gosh this thing could
0:53:13 really stop blood vessels could we develop this into our cancer treatment ultimately yes the answer
0:53:18 was yes but we were looking for them and we would and so we developed a system where we could add a
0:53:27 substance into a laboratory test system to see if blood vessels would grow or shrink and so here on
0:53:35 this graph you can see at the very top a very long bar of blood vessels growing that’s normal healthy blood
0:53:41 vessels growing out as long as they can and then what we would do is we’d throw drugs into it and we would
0:53:48 see if we could actually shrink them up and so some of the uh shorter bars uh uh are cancer drugs uh you
0:53:55 can see them uh in this color in blue not surprisingly some of the cancer drugs were making the blood
0:54:01 vessels smaller hey this could be a good candidate drug and we were also testing other uh drugs that
0:54:07 were available not used for cancer to see if they would work sure we discovered some of those too but i did
0:54:11 something a little bit subversive and as you know you know if you want to be disruptive you got to
0:54:16 sometimes um disrupt yourself in order to be able to do this so this is like our experiment that we were
0:54:22 doing at the androgenesis foundation we decided to disrupt ourselves so we said we have a whole system
0:54:28 of drugs to test let’s remove half of them and let’s swap them out with powders that came from food
0:54:37 all right just to see what would happen and when we actually tested foods in the same system used to
0:54:43 develop drugs food as medicine tested in the same system that medicines are developed we found what
0:54:51 you see on this bar chart in red we actually found that dietary factors stuff that’s found in food could
0:54:57 actually cut down the blood supply that would be growing to feed a cancer in other words there’s
0:55:03 anti-angiogenic foods you could see the green tea you could see the onions and garlics and red grapes and
0:55:11 strawberries um it was really an eye-opener to me for when i saw these results it made my jaw drop
0:55:20 and i said my god foods have potency just like drugs i was a skeptic all right and it just made me realize
0:55:28 like this is something that i had to pursue this was an area of research that i absolutely had to actually
0:55:34 look further into a drug takes a decade and a billion or more dollars to be able to develop from
0:55:41 from scratch to reaching a patient and then not everyone who needs a treatment can actually get the
0:55:47 drug but a food has immediacy if you discover something amazing about a food whether it’s
0:55:53 matcha whether it’s purple potatoes whether it’s a strawberry that could that that immediacy could
0:56:02 be used beneficially without toxicity all right uh and affordably and so i just saw this as this was
0:56:06 this experiment is what brought me into the realm of food as medicine so i’m gonna ask some stupid
0:56:14 questions here so on here i can see that for example soy extract causes less angiogenesis which what i
0:56:20 understand is the the growth of these blood vessels but does that mean that if i have lots of soy extract
0:56:29 or artichoke or parsley or berries that it’s gonna cause other parts of my body not to grow blood cells so
0:56:36 this is the great question let me kind of reframe the question as you’re asking it if uh experiments
0:56:43 are able to show that certain foods can uh prevent blood vessels from growing will that actually cause
0:56:49 a problem with your body’s health defenses to keep blood vessels from growing in healthy tissues yeah all
0:56:58 right answers no and here’s why as a health defense system our angiogenesis system is completely designed to
0:57:04 in the right number of blood vessels to give just amount just the right amount of blood flow not too
0:57:11 much not too little i call it the goldilocks zone you know goldilocks a fairy tale um you know the bears
0:57:15 were home invaders they broke into the house and they were looking for chairs and porridge and beds
0:57:21 not too hot not too cold but just right all of our health defenses including the angiogenesis health defense
0:57:29 is a hard wire to keep the body just right so what that means is that eating foods like artichokes or
0:57:36 strawberries or soy can actually help your body prevent extra blood vessels from growing towards cancer for
0:57:44 example and and other disease tissues but it will not override the body’s natural ability to get the
0:57:48 right amount of blood vessels to the right tissue so you don’t have to worry about starving your healthy
0:57:54 tissues you’re just uh cutting off the uh bad blood vessels that you show i can i call it like
0:58:01 a landscaper on a golf course that that breaks out the lawnmower to mow that uh the golf course so it’s
0:58:08 got a perfect level um of the lawn you’re not going to actually uh carve out a bald spot uh in on in
0:58:14 a country club you’re going to get just the right amount similarly and um we’re not talking about this
0:58:18 graph there’s another graph that can actually show foods that you can eat that can grow blood vessels
0:58:25 healthy blood vessels where you want them and it turns out things like fruit peel uh uh can actually
0:58:30 do that and barley can grow new blood vessels and dark chocolate can actually help to support blood
0:58:34 vessels as well and some of these things can also work on both sides of the equation that can prune away
0:58:40 the bad but extra blood vessels and they can grow them whenever you need them so your body is sort of like
0:58:46 the gardener extraordinaire it knows exactly how to actually tend you give them the right ingredients
0:58:50 they know exactly where to put the grass seed and they know exactly where to mow the lawn have you
0:58:58 ever had cancer in your family yes um cancer has touched my family like it has for most people
0:59:05 um i had two uncles uh years ago that passed away one passed away from colon cancer one passed away from
0:59:16 liver cancer and you know i was a doctor at the time and so i felt so uh helpless uh because as a doctor i
0:59:25 could i could diagnose i could lay hands on i could feel the hard liver i could feel the masses and i felt at the
0:59:32 time helpless even though i was doing the research cancer research and finding future paths i felt like
0:59:40 this was we we’re not there yet and we can’t i couldn’t help him i felt i felt powerless fast forward
0:59:46 we’re now at a point where we’re beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel
0:59:54 and my mother when my mother had cancer so my uncle’s sister my mother wound up having endometrial cancer
1:00:02 she was 80 years old one day um had some bleeding went to the hospital found a mess she had a
1:00:09 hysterectomy to remove her uterus and ovaries and they found in there an endometrial cancer that’s a
1:00:13 cancer the lining of the uterus the surgery and a little bit of radiation is supposed to take care of
1:00:20 it unfortunately in her case those little cancer stem cells and it was microscopic cancers that were
1:00:27 her present took off raced off in her 80 year old body which you know look weaker immune system when
1:00:34 you’re 80 and within a few months after successfully recovering from the surgery she had stage four
1:00:42 cancer everywhere all right and her oncologist told me uh dr lee you know you’re a doctor as well you know
1:00:50 know this is serious and this is pretty much the time of game over and now times have changed science
1:00:56 has advanced progress has advanced at that time when my mother was diagnosed with stage four cancer
1:01:05 immunotherapy the latest and greatest i think advancement in cancer treatment had just broken
1:01:12 through and become approved immunotherapy immunotherapy is not chemotherapy it doesn’t actually poison the
1:01:19 cancer immunotherapy is a medicine that you give a cancer patient that wakes up your own immune system
1:01:24 whether you’re a young person or an old person it can wake up your immune system all right and
1:01:30 my mother had immunotherapy she was one of the early patients that got immunotherapy and her own 80
1:01:38 year old immune system woke up like a super like an army of super soldiers and went after that cancer
1:01:46 now we completely adjusted her diet to so that her body between treatments would be as strong as
1:01:51 possible shields raised as we’ve been talking about and we give her a little bit of radiation to
1:02:00 to help the uh the the her immune system spot the cancer guess what happened three treatments of
1:02:08 immunotherapy three three weeks apart so time zero is the first treatment three weeks later the next
1:02:14 treatment three weeks after that the next treatment all right so we’re talking about a total nine weeks of
1:02:21 three treatments all right of these three treatments we scanned her stage four went to stage
1:02:28 zero zero zero and she never had chemotherapy now chemotherapy can be helpful too with immunotherapy but
1:02:37 this was where i saw firsthand close up in my own family the ability to harness your body’s own health
1:02:46 defenses in a way that i couldn’t do for my uncle 15 years ago before and we lost him and we were to save
1:02:54 my mom and i can tell you i literally had dinner with my mom two days ago and she’s 90 91 10 11 years later
1:02:59 completely healthy completely cancer free and by the way this immunotherapy
1:03:07 if we could only get this to work as well for everyone this is where we are in the history of medicine
1:03:13 we can see an end we know how we can get to an end we’ve actually seen successes we just can’t get it
1:03:17 to work for everyone yet and there are different ways to actually wake up your immune system another
1:03:24 way that i’m working on now that um a colleague of mine in germany is working on is also absolutely
1:03:32 jaw-droppingly amazing imagine this somebody has cancer and you’re gonna they’re gonna get a biopsy no
1:03:36 matter what they’re gonna take some tissue out to look at it under the microscope what kind of cancer
1:03:41 is it their brain is a breast is a colon is a pancreas where is it coming from you’re gonna get
1:03:46 a diagnosis right now up until recently that’s all we did with the tissue the biopsy you just got a
1:03:51 result and it’s kind of like a death sentence depending on what type of cancer and you’re supposed
1:03:57 to then go to the guidelines and open up the the the treatment book to say well what’s the pathway we
1:04:02 should what’s the recipe we should follow for treatment too often those recipes don’t work very
1:04:10 well or for very long now what if i told you that where we are headed with cancer therapy is a new
1:04:18 frontier where you take the tumor of the biopsy sure look at it in the microscope call it out uh define
1:04:26 what it is and then you send it to a lab where you do complete full-on genetics you sequence the entire
1:04:33 cancer genome all right right now we do sequence we take a dozen two dozen three dozen i’m talking
1:04:39 about doing 20 30 000 genes right right now most people say it’s not worth it we don’t know what we
1:04:45 do with all that information what if i told you if you took a tumor and sequenced all the genes you find
1:04:52 every mutation every typographical error that we talked about earlier that’s in that cancer those are the
1:04:58 smoking guns of the cancer now what if i took a piece of a little normal blood normal cells and sequence
1:05:05 that too all right now people are hearing me talk who are oncologists or scientists would say i don’t
1:05:08 know what you’re talking about that’s double the waste of effort because now you’re going to sequence
1:05:12 the human genome twice in a single patient and what are you going to do with all that information ah
1:05:20 this is where technology sits in artificial intelligence machine learning let’s now have a
1:05:26 computer compare normal cells with tumor cells back and forth and back and forth and back and forth
1:05:33 subtract out all the mutations that are found in normal cells leaving only the smoking gun mutations in the
1:05:40 cancer a couple hundred may left those are the smoking guns those are the doers that led to this cancer now
1:05:47 imagine and i’m going to give you an analogy here do you remember that tom cruise movie uh minority report
1:05:51 yeah so you remember that like he was wearing these gloves and you have a glass pane and you can actually
1:05:58 move the uh things around on the glass with your fingertips right so now imagine you can take these
1:06:04 human uh the the cancer mutations on the bottom of this glass screen and you can just randomly with
1:06:10 your fingers pick out 20 random mutations and move them up on the screen all right now you’ve just
1:06:15 picked out the mutations and now you can connect the mutations together i call it a pearl necklace imagine
1:06:20 every mutation is a pearl and you connect them together with the string that connects the pearl necklace
1:06:26 now you get what i’m saying like now we’ve taken the tumor find out the doers the the the the uh
1:06:33 the smoking guns now we’ve strung them together okay this is the most wanted sign that you would
1:06:41 actually place out for the criminal and now imagine you hit print technology and now you have a protein
1:06:49 printer that prints out those smoking guns as a protein as a protein full of your own individual
1:06:55 cancer of that particular person now you take that protein and you inject it under the skin and you’re
1:07:00 challenging your own immune system you’re vaccinating yourself with the with your own cancer and you’re
1:07:07 causing your own immune system to say aha this is a bad guy we’re going to develop antibodies to go
1:07:14 find our immune system we’re going to get ratcheted up to go find that cancer well this is happening right now
1:07:22 in clinical trials i have a colleague named saski a biscuit that is actually developing peptide vaccine
1:07:28 treatments against cancer and if you want to see some amazing results there was a paper we published in
1:07:37 nature communications about a year ago that showed in more than a hundred people with glioblastoma that is
1:07:44 a game over brain cancer nobody lives more than a couple of years with us all right that with this
1:07:50 treatment we’ve been able to actually show that some patients with their own immune system woken up
1:08:00 can actually keep them alive and cancer free brain cancer like that is no win situation impossible to
1:08:05 possible and actually somebody who i’ve just recruited as an ambassador to my nonprofit organization the
1:08:11 androgenesis foundation i strongly encourage people who want to have a modicum of hope who wants to see
1:08:17 what i’m talking about in real life on social media there’s a woman named rebecca divine she’s okay with
1:08:25 me giving her name her handle is that brainy blonde it’s a it’s a triple entendre she’s blonde she’s
1:08:32 very smart but she had a glioblastoma seven years ago and she is thriving alive with his immunotherapy so
1:08:38 between my mother rebecca divine i’m just telling you like i’ve had well i’ve known well over a dozen
1:08:46 people who there’s no way they’d be here today if it wasn’t for this scientific advances that all
1:08:53 shore up the body’s health of health defense systems specifically the immune system but that’s
1:08:59 but the drugs alone aren’t enough you really can take advantage at home of your own diet and lifestyle
1:09:03 to be able to tip those odds in your favor i’ve heard you say that immunotherapy is more likely to
1:09:16 be successful if you have certain bacteria in your gut yeah that is okay so in 2017
1:09:24 i helped to convene a cancer research conference in paris uh and we called it rethinking cancer
1:09:33 and we brought the world’s best minds out there and one of the um researchers uh uh named dr laurence
1:09:39 zitvogel she’s at the in paris works in paris at the institute gustav russi she is an immuno-oncologist
1:09:47 so she studies immunotherapy for cancer and at the time we had uh we asked her to present uh
1:09:54 some uh groundbreaking results that were embargoed at the time so our research our conference was the
1:10:02 first time it was ever presented and she said in a hundred people who were receiving immunotherapy
1:10:10 for uh different types of cancer that if you looked at the difference between people who responded lived
1:10:17 did well versus people who didn’t respond didn’t do well died all right and that’s the frustration
1:10:22 with the types of treatments my mom had um you know some people do well some people don’t do well
1:10:27 we pull our hair out trying to figure out like what’s going on how do we make people do better
1:10:33 well it turns out that when you compare everything gender age comorbidities uh
1:10:40 uh all the other genetic factors the research that was presented showed that there was no differences
1:10:45 between the groups of responders people who did well versus people didn’t do well for immunotherapy
1:10:54 except for one thing that one thing was one bacteria the responders had one bacteria called
1:11:00 acromantia mucinophila so most bacteria have a genus and species first name last name first name is
1:11:07 acromantia uh last name is mucinophila okay it likes to grow in mucus mucinophila where is there a lot
1:11:14 of mucus in the colon where’s the colon that’s the on this model the blue area so acromantia grows
1:11:19 right here in the cecum which is the pouch uh in the colon right at the beginning before you take the
1:11:25 up elevator to the top of the colon that’s where it grows if you if the people had that acromantia
1:11:32 they would respond to immunotherapy so what what the researcher did they she took out the acromantia
1:11:38 and brought it to her lab of the responders from humans and and gave it to mice who were
1:11:44 not responding to immunotherapy boom she’d reckon she’d resurrect the immune response to kill the
1:11:49 cancer so this is one of the first bacteria and there there may be many many that we haven’t yet
1:11:54 discovered all right so like my whole career has all been about discovery there may be more bacteria
1:12:01 but we discovered at least one the presence of which seems to be absolutely vital if you are a
1:12:07 patient receiving immunotherapy uh the type of immunotherapy called checkpoint inhibitors if you
1:12:15 want to uh tip the odds in your own favor of being a responder now how do you get acromantia well at the
1:12:21 time uh there was no acromantia probiotics now you can actually find acromantia probiotics but but at
1:12:27 at the time this was coming out you you had to grow your own acromantia diy acromantia all right so how
1:12:32 do you grow it well it turns out that there are certain foods you can eat that grow acromantia what
1:12:39 are those foods pomegranate pomegranate juice pomegranate seeds will grow acromantia cranberries
1:12:45 uh cranberry juice dried cranberries will grow acromantia conquered grape juice or conquered grapes will grow
1:12:53 acromantia chili peppers will actually grow acromantia chinese black vinegar you ever go to dim sum and have
1:12:58 soup dumplings oh yeah the black vinegar sauce that they use for for as a condiment to the soup
1:13:04 dumplings chinese black vinegar that will prompt your body to grow acromantia as well so what is your
1:13:08 diet of preference then there’s so many different diets that we’ve people speak about when they talk
1:13:14 about cancer and other chronic diseases um as i think i said to you beforehand i’m on an extremely
1:13:21 low carb diet which is like verges on keto but i kind of bounce in and out of ketosis what what do you
1:13:26 think of let’s start with the ketogenic diet do you have a view on on that kind of diet yeah so let me
1:13:34 just give you my my perspective on diets lots of different diets out there they’re all designed uh
1:13:41 with kind of a specific perspective and a particular goal in mind oftentimes diet whether you’re talking
1:13:47 about south beach or keto or carnivore or vegan you know um they’re all designed to achieve a certain kind
1:13:55 kind of goal uh most of them are very very difficult to maintain for a long period of time now people are
1:14:00 vegans uh and vegetarians and they’re eating that’s something that because of the diversity of the food
1:14:04 that you can you can actually maintain that but you know if you’re only doing pure keto that’s very
1:14:14 difficult to do so most popular trending diets are short-lived short-term solutions and they’ll kind
1:14:20 of force your body to do something all right but you can’t keep it up and so a diet that you can’t keep
1:14:29 up isn’t to me a very practical diet because you’re going to bursts of activity that you just can’t do your
1:14:40 whole life i find that it’s much more healthy in the long run if you can find a sustainable way of eating
1:14:45 that works for you personally that you can maintain and that you’re going to enjoy your life as well
1:14:50 most people who are on really strict diets they’re not enjoying their diet you know like people will
1:14:58 only eat eat meat only carnivore diet or only eat raw food listen you can’t don’t con me you can’t be
1:15:04 enjoying eating raw food you know your entire life you know navigating through society and seeing other
1:15:09 people you know eat a big steaming plate of pasta or something you know or going to a chinese restaurant
1:15:16 so what i’m saying is that trending diets are well-intentioned they often are designed to do
1:15:21 one thing but you can’t keep it up so it doesn’t really at the end of the day contribute to the
1:15:29 ultimate goal what i prefer and where i think the science takes us where the next frontier for like
1:15:37 lifetime health is carrying a page from the playbook of some of the healthiest cuisines in the world and i would
1:15:44 say mediterranean is the hotbed the crucible of a lot of healthy diets not just the blue zones i think
1:15:49 but but there but there are blue zones in the mediterranean also asia uh there’s a blue zone in
1:15:53 asia as well but you know look there’s also blue zone in latin america if you take a look at the common
1:16:02 denominator of what’s going on in the mediterranean and asia is a very healthy plant forward fresh
1:16:11 seasonal uh healthy cooking oils healthy preparation style absolutely delicious way of eating i mean come
1:16:17 on take if i were to take you to a mediterranean restaurant or to a asian restaurant i would find it
1:16:21 hard to believe that you wouldn’t you and i opening the menu couldn’t find something that we would enjoy
1:16:29 eating right so mediterranean is what how i tell people i actually eat that’s my quote diet why do
1:16:35 the japanese seem to do so well on when we think about the world’s healthiest countries looking at
1:16:40 some data here some a variety of different graphs that have in front of me and japan seems to continually
1:16:47 seem to come out on top as it relates to health span yeah okay well um there’s no one single
1:16:56 factor i think that was responsible for it but it is true um the the japanese uh demographics uh show
1:17:04 uh consistently some of the uh oldest longest living people you know they tend first and foremost okay
1:17:09 before we talk about what they eat let me tell you what they don’t do they don’t overeat
1:17:19 and i’m giving a purposeful pause there because overeating caloric loading okay uh is very damaging to
1:17:27 our metabolism it actually counters uh our ability for long to to live long it actually speeds up our
1:17:34 cellular aging it’s it it sets up inflammation so by cutting down on your caloric intake
1:17:42 every day that’s one of the things is that the japanese culture that the the the culinary and
1:17:50 gastronomic approach to food in japan tends to uh favor modesty uh uh uh under eating rather than
1:17:58 overeating i’ve got a question here how do how do i know if i’m overeating okay so so there’s a
1:18:04 a confucian saying uh that’s been translated into the japanese that they that’s a mantra which is
1:18:11 hara hachi ban mi which means stop eating when you’re 80 full i asked this question because i
1:18:16 have a friend who was i think it was on this podcast so um i don’t think i’m revealing anything he actually
1:18:22 sat next to me um when peter atia was talking to him he’s jack who um runs production for us he had
1:18:27 his dexa scan done which looks at your visceral fat subcutaneous fat muscle mass bone density those
1:18:35 kinds of things yeah and he’s a slim guy he’s much slimmer than i am and the diagnosis that came back
1:18:40 from the doctor basically said you’re overnourished and when i look at him he doesn’t look like someone
1:18:47 that’s overnourished and the the doctor essentially said to him that you need to reduce your calories now
1:18:52 i’m looking at this guy thinking this is a slim guy this guy’s like much much slimmer than i am
1:18:59 yet the doctor’s telling him that he’s overeating yeah so i wrote a whole book on this called eat to
1:19:06 beat your diet which is not a diet book it’s an anti-diet book that really um uh uh uncloaks the new
1:19:15 science of your metabolism and what i try to say in terms of sharing that science is that first of all
1:19:24 body fat which societally is regarded as a bad thing we don’t nobody wants fat right um is actually a
1:19:30 good thing body fats an organ in the body did you know that like it’s it’s one of our body organs um
1:19:36 our body fat it is distributed throughout our body and what does it do as an organ well it’s got some
1:19:41 cushioning effect so you know like if you didn’t have any body fat by the way you tripped on the stairs
1:19:47 and you hit the ground you might rupture your organs all right that’s so it has a little bit of a
1:19:55 cushion effect marshmallow cushion effect but our fat also is a fuel tank to store fuel so where we’re
1:20:01 eating calories our calories are energy we’re eating food we’re eating calories that’s our energy that’s
1:20:07 that’s a fuel our body runs off of i always tell people if you have a car and you’re filling it up with
1:20:13 gasoline at the petrol station or the gas station um you don’t even think about your gas until your
1:20:18 fuel gauge starts to run low and the same thing for our our our bodies is that we don’t think about
1:20:24 our fuel until we’re hungry and our our hunger and our brain and our gut is really as our fuel tank that
1:20:31 signals oh you know we’re getting towards that red line better go fill fill up now unlike a gas station or petrol
1:20:37 station there’s no clicker on our body we can keep stuffing food into our system we can very easily
1:20:43 overload our fuel tank okay that is you’ve got you’ve got to cut back on your calories that’s what you
1:20:47 your your friend heard when the doctor was saying you got to cut back on your calories because you’re
1:20:53 overloading on fuel so where does so where does the fat build up it’s there’s different areas that fat in
1:21:01 your body builds up now the fat can there’s white fat and there’s uh uh brown fat white fat can be
1:21:06 under your chin could be under your arms could be in your thighs and your butt could be your your the
1:21:12 muffin top you know around your waist but that’s not where the most dangerous fat builds up the most
1:21:20 dangerous fat inflammatory fat is a fat that builds up in the inside the tube of your body so if you think of
1:21:27 your body like a poster tube okay inside that tube and all this gut is i’m sorry the the body cavity
1:21:33 if you were to slice this body in half and look at a cross section all right it’s a tube you can fill
1:21:39 any of these uh interstitial areas between organs you can pack with fat so think about you’re going to
1:21:47 fedex something to somebody overnight mail uh a vase or a glass or bottle one or whatever you’re going to
1:21:51 pack it full of peanuts and you’re going to put into a package well look you can get a big box and put
1:21:55 a lot more peanuts on or you can take a skinny box that would just fit it and you’ll put it in so it
1:22:00 doesn’t really matter the size of your tube you could be a skinny person and you could pack it with a
1:22:06 lot of peanuts in this case visceral fat and that’s what you’re talking about in a skinny person with
1:22:12 too much visceral fat too many peanuts packed in there and that is a result of over consumption of calories
1:22:17 that fat that energy the fuel tanks building up within a skinny body yeah and that’s what we call
1:22:26 skinny fat i am still like mildly in shock about it because because i saw his results i i panicked so
1:22:32 the next day i also went to the same clinic as him i had my dexar scan done and it came back and said that i
1:22:40 i had quote zero visceral fat so my results from dr peter atia said i had zero visceral fat which he
1:22:48 said was rare but i had subcutaneous fat which is the fat on the outside more than jack did so jack had
1:22:55 visceral fat which is the fat inside us and he had he has like almost no subcutaneous fat and i’m kind of the
1:23:01 inverse of that and i don’t understand what like i was trying to figure out why is my body when i eat
1:23:06 something putting the fat subcutaneously on the outside whereas jack’s body is putting the fat on
1:23:13 the inside which is the the dangerous fat here is um an interesting thing let’s look at the opposite
1:23:19 of building up subcutaneous fat which is the external fat not not the dangerous external fat yeah so okay so
1:23:25 there’s two kinds of body fat white fat and brown fat white they’re all good they’re all beneficial
1:23:32 um white fat can be subcutaneous subcutaneous means under the skin under your jaw under the skin of your
1:23:38 jaw under your arms on your thighs that’s subcutaneous white fat can also be visceral fat that’s deep inside
1:23:44 the tube of your body and then brown fat is not wiggly jiggly like the other like white fat brown fat is
1:23:49 wafer thin and it’s plastered around our neck it’s behind our breastbone a little bit behind between
1:23:55 our shoulder blades a little bit in our belly and brown fat actually is metabolically active and it
1:24:02 fires up a process called thermogenesis to burn down harmful visceral extra body fat so you can use
1:24:08 good fat to burn down bad fat which is the amazing thing again fat is not universally bad it’s actually
1:24:16 quite good and uh so one of the things that i think is really important to know is that when you’ve
1:24:20 got too much visceral fat you’ve got too much inflammation but you can actually use your brown
1:24:28 fat to try to um control that to try to burn it down brown fat by the way is activated by foods and
1:24:36 activated by cold temperatures so when you talk about your cold plunge brown fat can actually light up so you
1:24:44 you’ve just handed me a card i’ll describe this in which there’s two pictures of a figure and one of
1:24:50 the uh picture on the left is room temperature and it’s not cold it’s regular room temperature and this
1:24:55 is the same individual by the way and you can’t see anything lighting up because the brown fat is
1:25:02 just adjusted to normal room temperature now on the right hand side is when you actually um lower the
1:25:06 temperature in an ice bath or something no no this is actually just lowering the room temperature really
1:25:12 really cold like a like a laboratory condition lowering the room temperature and boom you see all this brown
1:25:18 fat lighting up remember i told you it’s plastered around the neck behind the breastbone uh a little bit in
1:25:26 in your belly and this is mother nature’s adaptation in evolution to help animals survive cold temperatures
1:25:33 so before we had thermostats and room heaters um uh i think about a by the way brown fat was discovered
1:25:43 in hibernating animals um there was a zoologist uh who was looking at plucked out a uh kind of a muskrat
1:25:49 looking animal from hibernation and dissected it and found that there was this brown lump
1:25:56 that was between its shoulder blades and nobody knew what it was they just and the more researchers
1:26:01 and biologists and zoologists looked at animals that were hibernating they they found this very
1:26:09 consistently in fact they called that brown mass first at a hibernoma hiber hibernating oma a mass we
1:26:16 don’t know what it does okay um a hibernoma that’s what it was known until 1930s in the 1930s at ucla
1:26:21 a researcher who in the beginning we didn’t have microscopes then we had microscopes and we had
1:26:29 really great microscopes and all of a sudden in 1930s the researcher uh at ucla said you know that
1:26:36 hibernoma is actually made of fat cells and those fat cells are brown and the reason they’re brown is
1:26:42 because they have a lot of mitochondria in it mitochondria being the fuel cells of our body like
1:26:47 the batteries of our body they’re packing the they’re the energy generators in our cell and
1:26:54 mitochondria are very rich in iron and when iron is oxidized it turns brown like a pile of nails that
1:27:01 you put outside your door and the outdoors silver nails will turn brown brown fat packed with mitochondria
1:27:06 energy generating the packed with iron oxidizes turns brown that’s why brown fat is brown
1:27:13 and and so what happens is that in cold temperatures like in hibernation in winter the brown fat fires
1:27:18 up and that’s what keep keeps these hibernating animals warm throughout the winter so they don’t freeze to
1:27:26 death now humans we can actually use that to our advantage we can actually activate our brown fat cold
1:27:32 bath will do it um sleeping in cold cooler worms will actually start to activate it as well when
1:27:36 that by the way that when those mitochondria fire up they’re burning energy you know where they draw that
1:27:42 energy from from your white fat from your visceral fat first so you want brown fat good fat to burn down
1:27:47 bad fat visceral fat white fat you want to sleep in a cool room or you want to go into a cold bath and
1:27:55 there are lots of foods that will also you can eat foods to activate your brown fat to burn down harmful
1:28:01 fat um and then the last thing is cortisol the job that we have i know that doesn’t sound like a hard
1:28:06 job to be a podcaster but the in jack’s role he’s basically working seven days a week sometimes you
1:28:11 know he’s working early hours of the morning he’s traveling around the world with me to come to these
1:28:16 studios it is i observe it it’s a stressful job so i was wondering if these if all of these factors
1:28:22 play a role in in how our body chooses where to store things and really like the role of cortisol
1:28:28 in determining fat storage is so interesting to me like the role of stress in determining where our fat
1:28:36 is stored yeah well i mean cortisol is a stress hormone it actually snaps us into uh action it actually
1:28:41 is also healing cortisol is a got multiple job descriptions it’s kind of like a swiss army knife
1:28:50 of hormones uh and uh you know in small bursts cortisol incredible like and it makes you feel
1:28:57 good as well i mean it’s a kind of basically it’s a type of body steroid so cortisol is a very very useful
1:29:05 hormone for all kinds of reasons but long-term stress uh will lead to excessive prolonged
1:29:13 unabated cortisol secretion and when your cortisol levels are up up up up up and and unrelentlessly
1:29:21 that then actually changes your metabolism it definitely alters your the ability for your fat
1:29:26 to actually conduct its metabolism i mean fat releases itself about 15 different hormones
1:29:31 so when you mess up the hormonal structure the endocrine structure of your own body fat
1:29:37 with something like excessive cortisol you’ll actually begin to derail your own metabolism so
1:29:42 it’s not the short-term cortisol it’s a long-term cortisol that’s actually the most damaging why is
1:29:47 visceral fat dangerous because people refer to it as being linked with a lot of chronic disease and
1:29:51 cancers and stuff like that but what evidence do we have that it’s dangerous and what why is it dangerous
1:29:57 yeah because the tube of your body with all the organs packed into it just like we’re seeing here
1:30:01 look at all these organs packed in you got your liver you got your stomach you got your your colon
1:30:07 and your small intestines that’s packed into the tube all right it is it’s kind of like uh packing
1:30:13 for vacation you know some people are really really skilled at packing they can actually uh fold their
1:30:18 socks and underwear and their pants and it’s like oh my you’re a genius you’re you’re packing genius right
1:30:25 now visceral fat grows between those folded shirts and pants and it and it fills a lot space in there
1:30:33 when you have too much of it not only does it fill up that the suitcase of your body the tube of your body
1:30:38 but it starts to push on organs which is not healthy because it’s all packing inside the between
1:30:43 the spaces the potential spaces in there and then when they grow when it grows beyond its own blood supply
1:30:48 the visceral fat um starts to starve it becomes hypoxic meaning it’s not getting enough oxygen
1:30:53 bigger than the amount of blood vessels that are growing in there and now you’ve got the center of
1:31:00 the fat start of oxygen uh the inflammatory cells start moving in and now you’ve got this fat
1:31:05 that’s outgrown its own blood supply that’s now becoming very inflammatory and because it’s packed
1:31:10 all throughout your the tube of your body into the suitcase of your body it’s leaking out that
1:31:15 inflammation everywhere so think about it like if you have been neatly packed suitcase and you’re like
1:31:21 i’m you know i’m going to put um i’m going to put some uh uh lotion and cream canister to lotion and
1:31:28 cream i’m going to pack it everywhere in between spaces okay look uh uh steven pack a few but but
1:31:32 let’s stop right there and you’re no i’m going to pack like 20 or 30 of them and you keep on stuffing
1:31:38 it even though the suitcase it’s a hard suitcase and you can you can put a lot in there now you’re
1:31:42 starting to press on the the clothing you’re going to scrunch up your pants and here in the body you’re
1:31:51 scrunching up your organs now why don’t we make the one of those tubes uh uh of uh of cream let’s
1:31:57 break one of them open now it’s leaking all right that’s what’s happening when your fat is so inflamed
1:32:03 so inflamed it starts to leak inflammation now imagine that that cream uh starts to leak out into the
1:32:08 interstitiously of your suitcase now you’ve got a suitcase looks skinny on the outside looks like
1:32:14 it just looks like a suitcase it could be a carry-on but now all the organs all the clothes you packed so
1:32:22 neatly are squeezed and scrunched off and now the lotion is leaking everywhere that is the analogy of
1:32:28 excess body fat in a small container spreading out compressing the organs and leaking out and that’s why
1:32:34 it’s dangerous oh gosh and that there’s a link there to cancer yeah so studies have actually shown that
1:32:45 and this was a study uh done uh by cornell in new york um looking at swedish women who were normal
1:32:51 body size or skinny so you’ve heard of skinny fat this is what they were studying and they looked at these
1:32:58 women uh uh to see uh they did dexa scans as you described um to see how much body fat they had
1:33:07 and then they followed them over 13 years and then she found that women who did not have extra body fat
1:33:12 had you know normal risk of breast cancer but women who had skinny fat don’t remember all the women in
1:33:19 the study and so 3 000 women actually were normal body size not i mean they weren’t supermodels but
1:33:24 they were they were just normal size women some of them were slimmer than others but none of them were
1:33:31 obese none of them were overweight uh just normal size um and they but they knew at the baseline what
1:33:39 the dexa scan showed and what they found is that women who had excess body fat over the period of 13 years
1:33:45 had a three-fold increase in the risk of developing breast cancer and it’s linked to higher inflammatory
1:33:51 markers in their bloodstream which makes total sense the leaking body cream the leaking inflammation
1:33:56 you know in a skinny tube all right or normal size tube normal suitcase look the suitcase can’t expand
1:34:03 bigger it’s got a finite size um but it’s leaking out and and this is because cancer thrives in an
1:34:08 inflammatory environment if you have inflammation without even a microscopic cancer like we talked
1:34:14 about but a small tumor putting inflammation in the environment of a cancer is like pouring
1:34:19 gasoline on the embers of a fire you ever go camping you have a campfire it’s almost out
1:34:24 at the very end now if you pour some gas in it boom whoosh you’re gonna actually create a bonfire all over
1:34:30 again that’s how dangerous inflammation is so that’s why excess visceral fat inflammatory fat is so
1:34:36 dangerous and linked to cancer and by the way not just breast cancer it turns out that excess visceral fat has been
1:34:45 linked to 14 other cancers increased risk of 14 other cancers everything from colon ovarian lung breast
1:34:54 prostate uh it it’s the it’s a it’s a it’s a growing list of cancers that seem to be at a put you would be
1:35:00 at a higher risk if you had high levels of visceral fat and it makes total sense given the inflammation
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1:36:07 there was a shocking study that i read about this a while ago in jammer and it examined the impact
1:36:14 of illness anxiety disorder which they call iad formerly known as hypochondriitis
1:36:20 and the impact that being avoidant of health and illness has on your mortality rates and they the
1:36:26 research analyzed data from approximately 45 000 individuals over a 24 year period comparing 4 000
1:36:32 patients who had this anxiety around their health and were avoidant and the findings showed that those
1:36:38 with iad that were anxious about health and getting checkups and those kinds of things had an 84
1:36:43 higher risk of death during the study period dying on average five years earlier than those without the
1:36:46 disorder and again causation is hard to establish there because it could mean that being an anxious
1:36:51 person means your cortisol is up and anyway being an anxious person means you make worse dietary choices
1:36:58 but i i’ve always remembered that and thought about how how um how it’s i find it much more
1:37:03 much better especially as i age and i’m going to be now confronted with more risks especially things
1:37:10 in men like prostate cancer being on the front foot um is probably a better approach well uh and if you take
1:37:16 some proactive approaches using food as medicine where you got to eat three you know you got to eat every day
1:37:21 most most most of most people eat three times a day most people encounter food about five times a day
1:37:26 breakfast lunch dinner and a couple of snacks if you realize every time you’re encountering food
1:37:34 is an opportunity an opportunity to choose a food an ingredient that actually supports raises your
1:37:40 shields support your health defense systems and know that and trust your body trust your health defense
1:37:46 systems that if you raise your shields you’re less likely to actually have uh have problems later
1:37:51 won’t eliminate them okay there’s no guarantees in life but it’ll lower the risk here’s an example
1:37:59 steven you know research studies have shown that tomatoes are good for overall um health you mentioned
1:38:06 prostate cancer so studies have shown that men who eat tomatoes regularly cooked tomatoes actually have
1:38:13 a 29 lower risk of developing prostate cancer it’s pretty good uh what’s the dose of the tomatoes
1:38:18 that you need to cook tomatoes you need to eat two to three servings per week all right now
1:38:23 i can probably i can probably accomplish that how much each time do i gotta eat a wheelbarrow of
1:38:31 tomato each time no the the typical serving that the study supports is just half a cup of tomato
1:38:35 salt cooked tomatoes is per serving why do they know this stuff because obviously how do they isolate that in a
1:38:43 a test so these are from large-scale population studies in this case it’s a it’s a uh epidemiological
1:38:49 study called the uh health professionals follow-up study where they looked at they developed hypotheses
1:38:54 and they looked at outcomes over the course of 25 years and they look for statistical correlations so
1:39:00 they found that um tomatoes lower the risk of prostate cancer based on people reporting their tomato
1:39:04 eating then they actually went back and look at the report within the data collected how much
1:39:10 how much do they eat on average every week so that then you can actually back calculate the dose
1:39:15 all right now i i told you earlier about the way that i do research foods investment research
1:39:22 let’s take it further let’s figure out what’s in a tomato well tomatoes have lots of it’s got it’s got
1:39:30 sugar it’s got uh some salt it’s got uh carotenoids which are bioactives one of which is lycopene well
1:39:37 okay what does lycopene do guess what lycopene does lycopene in the lab will cut off the blood supply
1:39:44 to tumors anti-angiogenesis shores up your health defense systems prevents cancer from getting a blood
1:39:54 supply and in fact in correlative studies um uh they’ve actually taken the prostate cancer biopsies
1:40:01 of men who did not avoid prostate uh cancer so they were tomato eaters who went on to develop prostate
1:40:06 cancer anyway there’s no nothing takes your risk to zero and they looked at them and what they found is
1:40:12 that those men who ate more tomatoes had fewer blood vessels in their prostate cancer and the prostate
1:40:19 cancer was also less aggressive so people who ate four times and five times and six times had fewer and
1:40:25 less aggressive blood vessels growing into their prostate cancer so that’s an example where you know
1:40:33 if i told you um consider having some cooked tomatoes a few times a week and you don’t need a lot even
1:40:41 have a cup is enough oh why cook tomatoes well because it turns out lycopene is uh a natural chemical
1:40:48 that in its native form pick a tomato off the vine and eat it that like an apple it’s absorbing your
1:40:56 body but not avidly not as much as possible um what is that that is coffee okay and we’ve been
1:41:00 talking a little bit about brown fat yeah is there a link between fat and coffee because i had someone
1:41:04 the other day saying that if you want to lose weight drink coffee and i wasn’t sure if that was well so
1:41:12 coffee is a beverage made with coffee beans coffee beans are plant-based foods coffee beans contain
1:41:18 many polyphenols including chlorogenic acid chlorogenic acid is anti-inflammatory chlorogenic
1:41:24 acid also turns on your brown fat so it activates it triggers your brown fat and it causes your brown
1:41:32 fat the mitochondria to fire up undergo thermogenesis to burn down harmful white fat or visceral fat so cup of
1:41:37 coffee a day or actually the dose is actually about three to four cups of coffee a day will definitely
1:41:43 cause your brown fat good fat to burn down your bad fat your harmful fat your visceral fat what about
1:41:50 fasting people people often talk about fasting as a as an intervention as a form of medicine for the
1:41:56 body and i wondered if you had a take on that yeah fat listen fasting is beneficial fasting is good and
1:42:01 fasting is very old it’s not just a recent trend uh if you go back thousands of years i mean if you look at
1:42:05 some of most some of the oldest religions of the world fasting was part of their ritual that would
1:42:10 happen you know throughout the year now people go well what about intermittent fasting how long should
1:42:18 i fast i try to tell people there is no magic formula for success for fasting because we’re all different
1:42:23 and our bodies are different our lifestyles are different there’s no universal fasting protocol
1:42:29 that’s going to be one size fits all however i will tell you an easy way to fast because fasting is very
1:42:38 natural to us is just paying attention to what you do every day and be mindful so when you’re sleeping
1:42:43 you’re not eating when you’re not eating you’re fasting so i try to be reassuring so guess what
1:42:48 you’re fasting every day anyway when you fall asleep you’re fasting all right and the longer you’re not
1:42:56 eating and sleeping the more time your metabolism the ferrari of your metabolism of your body can switch
1:43:02 gears to burn down any extra fat that’s accumulated now if you’ve been eating whatever you want over
1:43:08 time you probably built up a lot of extra fat now from your scans apparently not you don’t have too much
1:43:15 all right but you if you you’re fasting regularly you’re burning down all that extra stuff okay and so
1:43:22 then how do you optimize that without having to calendarize your fast and figure out you know how to
1:43:31 uh schedule your meals i try to make things um as scientific but as practical as possible and so i tell
1:43:37 people you want to really get involved in intermittent fasting easiest way is take advantage of what you’re
1:43:43 doing already and that is if you’re sleeping try to sleep eight hours a day so how do you sleep eight
1:43:47 hours a day i don’t know i said if you go to bed 11 o’clock get up at seven o’clock you get to eight
1:43:52 hours of sleep all right we know that that’s the mad the sweet spot for your brain for your metabolism
1:43:57 for you know for burning a harmful body fat how do you get more out of that how do you turn that
1:44:05 eight hours of fasting into more well what i say is that the night before when you’re eating dinner
1:44:11 let’s say you eat from seven to eight o’clock in the evening what i say is that when you finish dinner
1:44:17 and you put your dishes away in the sink or the dishwasher that’s it no more eating stop eating
1:44:24 nothing until the next day um if you’re going to have dessert or whatever squeeze in there but don’t
1:44:30 take a snack with you and sit by the television or you know add some minorly gobble food and don’t
1:44:36 before you bet you go to bed eat a big chunk of whatever okay now you got three hours before you
1:44:43 go to bed at 11 again this is all a theoretical model three hours of not eating your blood sugar goes down
1:44:48 your your insulin goes down because your blood you’re not eating anymore all right now your metabolism
1:44:53 shifts gears three hours earlier okay now you’ve got those eight hours plus three
1:44:59 hours you got 11 hours now when you get up in the morning okay let’s say you get up at seven in the
1:45:05 morning don’t do what our moms told us to do right so when if you were like me growing up my mom when i
1:45:09 got up it’s like hurry up and get to breakfast and eat something so you have enough energy to actually
1:45:14 go to school and learn something all right so that’s i i developed this instinct of actually just
1:45:19 getting up and eating as quickly as i can getting some breakfast in what have i told you that what i
1:45:26 do now when i get up in the morning i deliberately don’t do what my mother told me to do i get up i
1:45:32 take my time getting ready uh i get dressed um i don’t need anything right away in fact if i’m
1:45:36 dressed and i’m ready for the day i’m gonna go check it out i might go outside and take a look at the
1:45:42 outside i might go for a quick walk or check my emails or i might read a chapter of a book or read
1:45:49 a few pages of a book i wait at least an hour before i eat anything now let’s do the math uh steven eight
1:45:54 o’clock stop eating eleven o’clock go to bed three hours eleven to seven eight hours three plus eight is
1:45:58 is equal to eleven hours i got eleven hours of fasting and now i get up and i don’t eat for
1:46:06 another hour boom 12 hours of fasting just like that okay now if you really want to do that 16
1:46:14 hour fasting 16 eight just skip breakfast and get to lunch and as long as you don’t overeat at lunch
1:46:20 which does require a little discipline after you go for your fasting window that you don’t overeat and
1:46:24 you’re eating the right foods that’s how you actually get to do intermittent fasting in the
1:46:29 most natural way possible so there’s one part of the body that we haven’t talked about which is
1:46:35 and my little mannequin here inside its head the brain yeah and i’m wondering how some of the themes
1:46:39 we’ve talked about link to one of the most common brain diseases which people talk about which is
1:46:46 alzheimer’s and dementia we talked about i can’t say that long word but um angiogenesis is there a
1:46:53 link between angiogenesis what we in the brain health dementia alzheimer’s yeah absolutely so
1:46:59 i mentioned to you that the human body has got 60 000 miles worth of blood vessels that are coursing
1:47:05 through the entire body bringing the uh oxygen and nutrients these the highways and byways of health
1:47:12 all right 400 miles of those blood vessels are in your brain 400 miles of blood vessels are actually
1:47:18 coursing through our brain and our brain is super metabolically active you know we’re we’re the engine
1:47:25 of the brain is functioning all the time regardless of your iq regardless of what type of tasks you do
1:47:31 our brain is very very metabolically active highly dependent upon a healthy circulation now what we do
1:47:41 know as people get older is that problems can occur with uh brain function and the reason i’m framing it this
1:47:48 is that it’s quick to jump to a term that people use like dementia or alzheimer’s disease thinking
1:47:55 is one thing but in fact dementia is just a descriptive term for your cognition not working properly
1:48:02 most commonly as you actually age alzheimer’s even though it is one type of diagnosis is probably
1:48:07 several different kinds of disease as well and we do know that there are different types of dementia
1:48:13 alzheimer’s is a subset of dementia of dementia alzheimer’s dementia there’s there’s a more
1:48:18 common type of dementia called vascular dementia and that’s where those 400 miles of blood vessels in
1:48:25 your body actually narrow get hard get clogged up and don’t have good blood flow so you can imagine
1:48:31 if you were to actually interrupt the sprinkler system the tubing the blood vessels the tributaries
1:48:37 bringing oxygen to your brain within those blood vessels okay over time your brain is not going to function
1:48:43 very well so vascular dementia is is by far the more common type of dementia so what can we do
1:48:49 to maintain healthy angiogenic blood vessels throughout the course of our lives for anybody who wants
1:48:56 aspires towards longevity all right you should be thinking about how to avert that path where your
1:49:04 blood circulate your blood vessels your circulation to your brain gets impaired the more uh vascular
1:49:10 blood vessel healthy angiogenesis supporting diet and lifestyle and medications that you take the
1:49:15 better it’s actually going to be now well here’s what what’s interesting what are some of those things
1:49:22 turns out that dark chocolate plant-based foods that the cacao actually um produces helps your body produce
1:49:29 something called nitric oxide nitric oxide nitric oxide actually widens your blood vessels so you get
1:49:36 better blood flow so dark chocolate is one of those foods that actually can see seems to be able to
1:49:41 promote better vascular health including in the brain now there are other foods that can produce
1:49:48 nitric oxide as well beets beetroot actually can produce nitric oxide spinach can do produce nitric oxide as
1:49:54 well those are vascular healthy now here’s the other thing when you produce nitric oxide like with
1:50:01 these foods you know what nitric oxide does it recruits stem cells healthy stem cells not cancer
1:50:07 stem cells but healthy stem cells from your bone marrow stem cells are stem cells are primitive cells
1:50:15 that can turn into anything you need them to be turn into a brain heart lung liver skin hair um our stem
1:50:20 stem cells actually regenerate us from the inside out now you know that one of the things that happens as
1:50:27 we get older is our brain atrophies and can start to degenerate it shrinks literally a scan of an older
1:50:34 person the brain the brain matter the mass of the brain shrinks inside the skull it’s like a like a cotton shirt
1:50:40 that shrank and you see this actually in a scan and so in order to be able to try to keep the shrinking from
1:50:45 happening you want to make sure there’s good blood flow going which actually helps to keep the brain
1:50:50 growing in a healthy and maintained in a healthy sort of way so um stem cells that are recruited by
1:50:56 nitric oxide actually can help to also regenerate the blood vessels and keep the blood vessels helping
1:51:00 healthy feeding the brain that’s the connection between alzheimer’s and energy i mean a dimension
1:51:07 angiogenesis now for alzheimer’s um i worked with a colleague dr anthony vagnucci some years ago and we
1:51:15 published uh uh what was then an editorial in the lancet uh you know very prestigious uh british medical
1:51:21 publication and we were connecting the dots between angiogenesis and alzheimer’s disease and here’s how
1:51:26 it works most people assume that if you’ve got alzheimer’s disease or someone has alzheimer’s disease
1:51:30 they don’t have very good blood flow they’re not going to have a lot of angiogenesis they got
1:51:36 problems right of their of their circulation of course and in fact if you look at um the blood
1:51:42 flow studies scans brain scans looking for blood flow in alzheimer’s brains indeed you see
1:51:51 poorer blood flow in people who have actually alzheimer’s disease but it turns out the brains of
1:51:57 people with alzheimer’s disease have more blood vessels more blood vessels that aren’t working well
1:52:02 so their andrew abnormal angiogenic blood vessels are not working well so you don’t get good blood
1:52:08 flow so the scans don’t show them and just not creating blood flow guess what those blood vessels
1:52:16 are doing those abnormal blood vessels they have been discovered to secrete a neurotoxin that kills your
1:52:24 brain cells so abnormal angiogenesis in alzheimer’s disease grows blood vessels that don’t create blood
1:52:30 flow but they secrete a toxin that kills brain cells and they also secrete the precursor to build up the
1:52:36 plaque so we we publish this as a as a hypothesis and editorial in the lancet and now there’s a whole
1:52:41 field looking at androgenesis and and alzheimer’s disease it’s crazy how this all stems back to
1:52:48 this idea that food is medicine yeah i mean listen before we had medicine as medicine before we had
1:52:56 pharmaceuticals in the 1930s so we had that’s all humans had our diet and lifestyle for medicines you
1:53:03 know and so i think that that’s really i think what’s happened is that in during the industrial revolution
1:53:12 that occurred with pharmaceuticals we put aside a tool in the toolbox that we’ve always had in fact
1:53:17 that’s the only thing we had before and we focused myopically just on what pharmaceuticals can do now
1:53:22 i’m telling you as somebody who’s developed biopharmaceuticals and who is still very much
1:53:28 involved in that new medicines can be life-saving old medicines can be life-saving and so you never want
1:53:33 to throw out the baby with a bath water what we have forgotten about is that tool in the toolbox
1:53:39 it’s been with humanity forever which is what we do with our food and and what i’m saying is that
1:53:44 what we can do now with the work that i’m doing in food is medicine so we can take the modern science
1:53:53 that deep probe that it’s a extraordinary level of sophistication that we use for drug development
1:54:00 and we can use it apply it to understand why our foods help us which foods help us and what types
1:54:05 of outcomes we’re actually looking for and so food is medicine bringing it back into the fold is just
1:54:10 replacing a tool in the toolbox but now we are actually fortifying it with the knowledge
1:54:18 provided by science of what we should choose and when and why supplementation are you a fan of
1:54:21 supplementation because i take a couple of supplements every morning things like creatine
1:54:27 and omega-3 and vitamin d do you take supplements yes i do and i’ll i’ll first say
1:54:36 um my my first off approach is that uh we should get most of the micronutrients that we
1:54:44 need to be healthy from our food use your food uh to our advantage because uh single foods will have
1:54:49 hundreds of different uh polyphenols and fiber and all kinds of other beneficial things so and my and
1:54:56 vitamins and minerals so our food is a much more efficient way to get all of our micronutrients
1:55:03 however supplements can be helpful in that literal translation of the world supplement which means
1:55:09 topping off so if you can’t get everything that you need from your food then feel free to top it off and
1:55:15 that’s what i actually do as well but vitamin d vitamin d i do it as well omega-3 fatty acids another
1:55:23 good uh top off uh to actually use for a supplement and by the way there are some probiotics that um i feel
1:55:29 that it’s prudent to actually get have in my body so i’m not giving a general recommendation i’m just
1:55:36 telling you what i do right that’s what we’re talking about everything is personal it’s personal to them but i you
1:55:40 know we talked earlier about the acromantia right so i do eat the foods that support acromantia
1:55:45 the pomegranate etc and the chili peppers but i’m going to take the supplement because i’ve seen
1:55:50 the data that shows how important it can be oh and acromantia improves your metabolism lowers the
1:55:56 risk of metabolic syndrome there might even be some clues that acromantia um might also lower the risk
1:56:03 of dementia development later on as well so hey this is a pretty safe natural bacteria i’ll take that
1:56:06 probiotic and another probiotic i take is called lactobacillus
1:56:12 rooteri l rooteri what does this do lowers inflammation builds immunity
1:56:17 it actually texts this is the bacteria that text messages the brain we talked about the brain
1:56:24 and it causes our brain to release social hormones like oxytocin that’s a social hormone that makes us feel
1:56:31 good so you know uh why wouldn’t i actually take that and oh one last thing lactobacillus rooteri has been
1:56:37 i the kind i take is chewable why wouldn’t you just take a capsule well it turns out that the
1:56:42 same bacteria lactobacillus rooteri it’s good for the gut but if you chew it up this is the bacteria
1:56:51 that kills the bacteria that causes cavities and gum disease i haven’t had a cavity in well over a decade
1:56:57 you know and so again this is one of these types of practical things that um just knowing the science
1:57:03 and knowing what i do and where where i don’t eat enough it’s hard to get enough vitamin d um
1:57:09 uh uh hard enough to get omega-3s i will actually top off on those i’m wondering you know you’ve got
1:57:13 these two great books in front of me eat to beat disease which is a new york times bestseller and
1:57:18 eat to beat your diet which is really about burning fat healing your metabolism and living longer
1:57:25 i know that you must have some favorite people use the term superfoods all the time but there must be
1:57:30 some foods where you look at them and just think they are little miracles in their own right so i
1:57:36 wanted to a little challenge for you is if you had to pick five of your favorite foods based on the
1:57:42 research that you’ve done the science you’ve seen what would those top fives be i would bring coffee
1:57:48 okay um because of all the polyphenols in coffee i’d bring tea um i tend to drink coffee in the morning
1:57:54 and i have tea at night um and i can i’m not caffeine sensitive so i can have the tea at night
1:58:01 if if you allow me i’ll actually lump those into my beverages okay under one category um i’ll bring tree
1:58:10 nuts tree nuts tree nuts walnuts almonds macadamias pistachios um i love nuts uh tree nuts and you know
1:58:14 not the pack pre-packaged kind but i like to you know kind of like toast them up myself and seize
1:58:20 flavor them myself um i would bring that because of the dietary fiber the healthy pro it’s a good source
1:58:27 of protein help some healthy fats in it as well and can kill some cancer stem cells while we’re at it
1:58:33 okay so tree nuts are actually good i would bring tomatoes because i love tomatoes okay it’s a great
1:58:38 source for hydration good source of lycopene which you talked about good for metabolism i would take
1:58:46 berries berries blueberries strawberries raspberries are among my favorites raspberries you might be
1:58:52 surprised at this but raspberries are pound for pound or weight for weight one of the most fiber
1:58:59 rich foods out there they’re light they’re hollow packed with fiber um and they’ve got polyphenols
1:59:04 and that are useful for lowering inflammation as well berries um are actually really good and then you
1:59:14 know i because i follow what i call the mediterranean uh style of eating i love to have those vegetables
1:59:22 that are actually used in both the mediterranean and asia mediterranean style cooking the bok choy
1:59:30 the kale chicory escarole you know all of those types of um of of leafy greens so those would be the
1:59:34 five i would actually take with me and what is the most important thing that we didn’t talk about that
1:59:42 we should have talked about you know i think that uh the most one of the most important things that
1:59:47 that i want people to walk away with is that there’s more than 200 foods that i’ve studied and
1:59:52 i’ve written about my books eat to be diseased need to be your diet that you know i’ve done all the heavy
1:59:58 lifting to help you figure out what foods are healthy that you could consider adding to your diet but if you
2:00:07 notice i didn’t actually give you a formula or a set menu on what to do for health because the most important
2:00:14 thing i i want people to walk away with is that my humanistic approach to this is um you should love
2:00:20 your food to love your health and if you could actually do both at the same time you have to find
2:00:25 out what are the foods that resonate with you what do you prefer what do you enjoy so if you could look
2:00:30 look at 200 healthy foods which is what i have in my books and just take a highlighter or pencil and
2:00:36 circle them circle the ones you already love start and stick with those you’re already way ahead of the
2:00:42 game and that builds confidence that you’re actually doing the right things and that’s what i love about
2:00:46 this book in particular eat to beat disease is that it also comes with lots of great recipes
2:00:52 um inside the book and um i think that’s super helpful because there’s a lot of information here
2:00:57 but this makes it actionable it’s a it’s a really iconic book it’s such it’s sold so incredibly well
2:01:02 because also it’s so unbelievably accessible to people who aren’t scientists and that are trying to
2:01:08 find some things that they can add to their plates and i think that’s essential to the approach that you
2:01:12 take as well you’re not someone that’s telling us we can’t eat nice things and enjoy our life you’re
2:01:16 talking about the things that we should be adding to our plate to make our lives more
2:01:20 healthy and increase our longevity which i’m very excited about actually because you’re writing a
2:01:27 book about longevity i hear and um i’m very much awaiting that book which when when do you think
2:01:31 that will be due and ready i don’t know i’m working on a manuscript so i’m not ready to give a release
2:01:35 date yet but you’ll be the first to know okay good we have a closing tradition on this podcast where
2:01:38 the last guest leaves a question for the next not knowing who they’re leaving it for
2:01:46 and the question that’s been left for you is how would you be able to tell that your time
2:01:53 here on earth has been successful that you’ve achieved what you set out to achieve
2:01:58 wow i think i would have
2:02:04 two sides two answers for that that represent different sides of the coin
2:02:12 for me i think if i’m able to have made my immediate community my family better
2:02:22 that would uh be meaningful a meaningful life uh having been lived and if you look at the whole
2:02:27 rest of my career and existence and how i spend my time
2:02:36 i want the work that i’ve done to resonate with others in a way that can improve their lives i’m
2:02:41 you know what i do i kind of say i’m taking one for the team the team being the rest of the world
2:02:47 and if i can contribute even a small piece that makes other people’s lives better than i feel like
2:02:51 you know i’ve done it i’ve done my job well that’s what you’re most certainly doing
2:02:56 and my friend because you when i was looking through what you’ve accomplished in your life
2:03:02 whether it’s the all of the fda approved treatments for over 70 diseases including cancers diabetes
2:03:07 chronic wounds and blindness that you’ve helped to develop and more than i could possibly count
2:03:10 or whether it’s the work that you’re doing through your foundation which i think people should check
2:03:14 out which is a non-profit organization which helps develop treatments for chronic diseases
2:03:18 that are based on angiogenesis you’ve most certainly done that and you continue to do that
2:03:23 but even maybe more importantly of all because there’s so many billions of people out there that
2:03:28 are starved of the information that you have and that you find in your research laboratory is you’ve come
2:03:34 out into the world into the public forum and you’re helping to articulate and demystify these incredibly
2:03:38 confusing things that people like me who didn’t go and get a phd or didn’t go to harvard
2:03:44 don’t understand and you’re masterful at it you really are masterful your ability to break down
2:03:49 you know i sit here week in week out speaking to very very smart people and not all of them have the
2:03:54 very important skill of being able to turn something very complicated into something understandable
2:03:57 and that is a skill you have it’s a real real gift and especially your use of like metaphors and
2:04:03 analogies which really cement these ideas in our brain in a way that we can all understand that for me is
2:04:07 a really really important gift so long may you continue to continue your work of public communication
2:04:12 as well because for people like me it can cause a penny drop moment that then leads us to change
2:04:16 our lives for the better so thank you thank you well thank you for inviting me but you know i would say that
2:04:23 you know we also live in a time again this is about going into the future i’m always about moving
2:04:28 into the future well we have the platforms we have you know i i went on to i developed a youtube channel
2:04:34 because i realized it was a place for me to take to drink from the fire hydrant distill it and figure
2:04:40 out how i can deliver it in swift fashion which would have been impossible 10 years ago so for example
2:04:47 you know we talked about how you know uh when my uncles had cancer and passed away because and i felt
2:04:53 helpless then my mother had it some years later and we had progress we had the ability to be able to do
2:04:58 something different similarly for me i look at my books i look at my social channels my youtube
2:05:04 platform as ways of being able to actually solve a problem that i felt like needed to be solved but i
2:05:09 wasn’t really sure how to do it until now dr william lee i highly recommend everybody goes and checks out
2:05:14 your youtube channel because it is fantastic and that’s a great place to get more of this information
2:05:17 but also i’m going to link the youtube channel and all of these books below for anybody that
2:05:22 wants to continue their journey of learning thank you thank you i really appreciate you being so generous
2:05:30 with your time and wisdom i find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of
2:05:35 spotify and apple and our audio channels the majority of people that watch this podcast haven’t
2:05:39 yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button wherever you’re listening to this i would like to make
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2:05:49 from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better i can’t tell you how much
2:05:53 it helps when you hit that subscribe button the show gets bigger which means we can expand the production
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2:06:00 do me that small favor and hit the follow button wherever you’re listening to this that would mean
2:06:18 the world to me that is the only favor i will ever ask you thank you so much for your time