The Gray Area with Sean Illing

  • Finding hope in a world on the brink

    Sean Illing talks with Jonathan Lear, a psychoanalyst and philosopher, about his new book Imagining the End: Mourning and Ethical Life. How can we continue to live a good life in a world beset by…


  • The new American Reconstruction

    Sean Illing talks with historian and author Peniel Joseph about his new book The Third Reconstruction, which argues that the time we’re currently living in can be understood as on a continuum with the civil…


  • Is America losing its religion?

    Sean Illing talks with Reza Aslan, scholar of religions and author of multiple bestselling nonfiction works, to discuss the state of religion in America today. Sean and Reza discuss the relationship between politics and religion,…


  • How we got to January 6th

    Sean Illing talks with war reporter and New Yorker contributing writer Luke Mogelson about his new book The Storm Is Here. In it, Luke shares his on-the-ground reporting across America — from anti-lockdown protests in…


  • Neil deGrasse Tyson gets political

    On this first episode of The Gray Area, Sean Illing talks with astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, who takes on many of our most vexing societal problems in his new book Starry Messenger. According to Neil,…


  • Introducing The Gray Area

    Resist certainty, embrace ambiguity. The Gray Area is a philosophical take on culture, politics, and everything in between with host Sean Illing. We don’t pretend to have the answers, but we do offer a space…


  • Best of: Why America’s obsession with rights is wrong

    In this episode originally recorded in July 2021, Vox’s Zack Beauchamp talks with Columbia law professor Jamal Greene about his book How Rights Went Wrong: Why Our Obsession With Rights Is Tearing America Apart. They…


  • A GOP insider on why the party went Trump

    Sean Illing talks with former Republican strategist Tim Miller about his new book Why We Did It, which offers an inside look at Donald Trump’s total capture of the Republican Party. Now a staff writer…


  • How do we fix the harm we cause?

    Vox’s Marin Cogan talks with Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg about her new book On Repentance And Repair, which is about how to make amends in the modern world. They talk about the difference between repentance and…


  • A new philosophy of love

    Sean Illing talks with Carrie Jenkins about her new book Sad Love, and her call to rethink the shape and boundaries of romantic love. In this far-ranging discussion about the meaning of romantic love, Sean…