The Gray Area with Sean Illing

  • Why fascism in Post-Trump America isn’t going away

    Vox’s Sean Illing talks to Yale professor and author Jason Stanley about why American democracy provides such fertile soil for fascism, how Donald Trump demonstrated how easy it was for our country to flirt with…

  • The Joe Biden experience

    Ezra Klein is joined by Evan Osnos, a staff writer at the New Yorker and the author of Joe Biden: The Life, the Run, and What Matters Now to discuss our new president. President Biden…

  • What it means to be a “good” rich person

    Vox columnist Anne Helen Petersen talks with sociologist Rachel Sherman about her research into the anxieties of wealthy people and their desire to be seen as “middle class.” Sherman’s work exposes the flawed stories we…

  • Peter Kafka and Kevin Roose on big tech’s power and responsibility

    Recode’s Peter Kafka speaks with New York Times’s Tech columnist Kevin Roose about big tech’s power and responsibility – and whether it is going to have accountability. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

  • Sam Sanders and Olivia Nuzzi on President Trump’s last days

    New York magazine’s Washington correspondent Olivia Nuzzi spent the past four years covering the Trump White House. In this inaugural episode of Vox Conversations, Nuzzi talks to guest host Sam Sanders, host of NPR’s It’s…

  • Best of: We don’t just feel emotions. We make them.

    How do you feel right now? Excited to listen to your favorite podcast? Anxious about the state of American politics? Annoyed by my use of rhetorical questions? These questions seem pretty straightforward. But as my…

  • Best of: Ending the age of animal cruelty, with Bruce Friedrich

    You often hear that eating animals is natural. And it is. But not the way we do it. The industrial animal agriculture system is a technological marvel. It relies on engineering broiler chickens that grow…

  • Best of: The moral philosophy of The Good Place

    After creating and running Parks and Recreation and writing for The Office, Michael Schur decided he wanted to create a sitcom about one of the most fundamental questions of human existence: What does it mean…

  • Best of: Michael Lewis reads my mind

    Michael Lewis needs little introduction. He’s the author of Liar’s Poker, Moneyball, The Big Short, The Blind Side, The Fifth Risk. He’s the host of the new podcast “Against the Rules.” He’s a master at…

  • Best of: Tracy K. Smith changed how I read poetry

    It’s the rare podcast conversation where, as it’s happening, I’m making notes to go back and listen again so I can fully absorb what I heard. But this conversation with Tracy K. Smith was that…

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