Why do we keep comparing AI to humans?
Jaron Lanier — virtual reality pioneer, digital philosopher, and the author of several best-selling books on technology — thinks that we should stop. In his view, technology is only valuable if it has beneficiaries. So instead of asking “What can AI do?,” we should be asking, “What can AI do for us?”
In today’s episode, Jaron and Sean discuss a humanist approach to AI and how changing our understanding of AI tools could change how we use, develop, and improve them.
Host: Sean Illing (@SeanIlling)
Guest: Jaron Lanier, computer scientist, artist, and writer.
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