The Random Show: AI abs, Turbo Toothbrushes, Tim’s New Book, Speaking to Dead Relatives and more

0:00:07 So I put this in my mouth and this is gonna wrap around bullsides. How are you gonna rinse that? I don’t know. Alright, let’s see. Let’s see. This is gonna be good. I don’t know.
0:00:34 . I couldn’t stop it. Holy shit. You definitely bought that on Pornhub.
0:00:57 Hello, friends and family. Welcome to the Random Show. I am here in my studio with Tim Ferriss. Tim, you’re here in my house. I know. It’s so nice.
0:01:06 You shouldn’t say that my studio is in my house. We can still see that. It’s fine. It’s in your back cave. I’m glad you’re here, brother. It’s good to see you in person. Yeah, it’s great to see you.
0:01:14 I’m really, really thrilled that it worked out. And what better way to get off of my podcast sabbatical than with saying hi to my good friend Kevin. How did that feel?
0:01:35 By the way, so the sabbatical first time in 10 years that I’ve taken a break from the podcast and it’s been four months roughly of sharing a lot of the greatest hits and it’s been a combination of feeling fantastic and I’ve been working on other projects that are really energy in for me.
0:01:51 My first new book in seven years that I’ve been working on. That’s not a sabbatical, by the way. Well, usually, though, in fairness, the word sabbatical is typically used in academic circles and when they take a break from teaching, they do other things.
0:02:03 And I think you and I, for being honest, are both working dogs. Like we can take breaks, but it’s like you take a working dog, like a border call, you stick it in your apartment in New York City and it doesn’t run. And you’re like, why is it chewing the couch?
0:02:17 It has to run. So for me to do the deep work of books specifically is just a different shift, different gear than feeling the pressure of putting out a podcast once or twice a week.
0:02:31 Do you think that idea of shifting between those two like podcasts and then book podcast book, if you had to do that, yeah, it breaks up your train of thought too much so or so much so that you wouldn’t be able to have the best book that you like, do you need that undivided time?
0:02:47 You need the undivided time. Okay, because that, yeah, and I’ll make, I’ll make a recommendation or something that makes it very clear. There’s an essay by Paul Graham, co founder of Y Combinator, famous for many different reasons, also a spectacular writer, very good painter also, I believe.
0:03:08 But he wrote an essay called the top idea in your mind or a top idea in your mind. And it talks about effectively attention as a currency and the importance of there’s a separate one makers schedule versus managers schedule something like that but the importance of uninterrupted blocks of time, particularly if for instance you’re dealing with a complex project.
0:03:20 This is true of coding, for instance, also true of writing, where you’re juggling like 27 balls in a year. And if you get distracted and you drop four, you have to start over again and you have to build that rhythm and it takes a really long time.
0:03:37 So if I’m thinking about the pressures of or the prep for even if I’m having fun of a podcast, it’s basically robbing myself of let’s just call it 20, 30, 40, 50% of the subconscious cycles that I could apply to the book even when I’m not thinking about it.
0:03:50 I mean, for something like this obviously we’re just bullshitting, but like I’d imagine a typical guest for you on the kind of research and due diligence side is like, you know, is that a couple of days work for you in terms of like a couple of days in the case of some guests can be a few weeks.
0:03:52 Yeah, if it’s way outside of my normal area.
0:03:53 Oh, interesting.
0:04:06 And even if we look at a few days, it’s a lot of prep. It’s a lot of thinking about the interview, even when I’m done prepping, which avenues I might take based on answers that go in a particular direction.
0:04:19 So I take the craft of podcasting very seriously, although it’s been a chance also for me and I wanted to take this sabbatical not just to say work on the book, but to think about first 10 years have been great.
0:04:27 If I continue to do this, which I would like to do, how do I keep it as exciting for me personally, as possible.
0:04:35 And if I do that, can I differentiate it in a podcast ecosystem that is increasingly oversaturated?
0:04:38 Yes, this is the reason I just stopped doing podcast.
0:04:42 Yeah, well, I didn’t stop it, but I cut back to like one episode over six weeks.
0:04:50 And it’s because when I have a guest on, I totally get what you were saying because I remember I hit you up, I had a dear friend that launched a new book and you’re like, Hey, I’m not doing any new books.
0:04:56 And when you look at that person, great book, I loved it, they did 10 podcasts, right?
0:04:58 And they all talk about the same thing.
0:04:59 Right.
0:05:06 So then you’re just playing the like, okay, maybe I want Tim’s version, maybe I want, you know, whoever else top 10 podcaster out there.
0:05:08 You’re eating Kung Pao chicken, no matter what.
0:05:09 Right.
0:05:10 It’s just like whose sauce is slightly different.
0:05:11 Exactly.
0:05:16 And it doesn’t feel as additive to the ecosystem to just do the same thing that’s going around on the circuit.
0:05:17 Right.
0:05:18 Let me get your take.
0:05:19 Yeah.
0:05:21 Also, for people listening, I would love your take.
0:05:23 I mean, I’m doing a lot of reflection on my own.
0:05:28 So I’m not just outsourcing this, but in terms of rules for myself moving forward, I’ve thought about a few things.
0:05:36 One is to basically take a barbell approach where I’m interviewing people who effectively no one has ever heard of.
0:05:37 Right.
0:05:40 So who knows the popcorn king of Milwaukee or whatever, right?
0:05:43 Some master who has not ever made the rounds.
0:05:44 Right.
0:05:50 So someone, for instance, who’s never done a long form interview like Jaco willing the first time he was on the podcast or whatever it might be.
0:05:55 Or on the opposite very far end, it’s someone almost everyone would know, right?
0:05:57 Like a Bezos or a film of blank, right?
0:06:10 But very little in between because the podcasting circuit has largely become 20 or 30 podcasts at a time of book authors doing the modern equivalent of a radio satellite tour.
0:06:11 Right.
0:06:15 So I just don’t particularly want to participate in that anymore.
0:06:16 Yeah.
0:06:21 But with the Bezos, I’d imagine like, you’re not going to go like, hey, tell me about Q4 of last year at Amazon.
0:06:23 No, I’d want to make it more proud.
0:06:25 Tell me about like, how was your divorce?
0:06:30 Like, or, you know, like shit that like you could get into hopefully that is uniquely, you know, you haven’t heard anywhere else.
0:06:32 And I’d want it to be evergreen.
0:06:33 Yeah.
0:06:35 Like I don’t, I really don’t want to.
0:06:37 And this is to my economic detriment, right?
0:06:39 But I don’t want to chase the current controversy of the day.
0:06:42 I don’t want things that are going to expire in two months.
0:06:43 Right.
0:06:46 I want my back catalog to be as interesting to people as the newer episodes.
0:06:47 Yes.
0:06:51 And that’s going to mean taking probably a pretty major financial haircut, but I’m totally fine with that.
0:06:52 Yeah.
0:07:00 At this point, because also you have to think about, say, if you’re thinking about the economic side of things, like there’s the short term and there’s the long term, right?
0:07:06 If I get so apathetic or bored that I stopped doing the podcast, that’s the end of the income period.
0:07:07 Right.
0:07:13 So if I ratchet it back 40%, let’s just say in terms of volume, but I do it for longer over time.
0:07:19 And my audience can tell that I’m really excited about the episodes that I’m putting out, which I in general have been.
0:07:26 There are very few compromises I’ve made, but I can see the slippery slope of just taking whatever gets pitched to you by publicists for the latest and greatest book.
0:07:27 Yeah.
0:07:28 So these are all considerations.
0:07:29 I love that, man.
0:07:30 I think that’s a great approach.
0:07:36 I’d much rather see the longevity of Tim and higher quality episodes than just banging them out every single week.
0:07:42 And I don’t feel like I’ve made many compromises, but there have been a few where I’m like, I don’t want to do this kind of interview again.
0:07:43 Yeah.
0:07:48 And I’ve also thought in terms of format of basically doing co-hosted catch ups with friends.
0:07:51 So for instance, I might have, and none of these people have agreed.
0:07:59 So I don’t want, well, actually, I’m not even going to mention names, but you can imagine some of my closest friends who’ve been on the podcast who are very, very smart and good at asking questions.
0:08:00 I catch up with them.
0:08:04 They suggest a guest they think we could interview together.
0:08:05 That’s fine.
0:08:08 And then I’m catching up with a close friend while we’re interviewing someone.
0:08:09 Oh, that’s cool.
0:08:10 I think that would be great.
0:08:12 I think that’d be super additive to my life.
0:08:13 Yeah.
0:08:22 And then hopefully that transmits in the same way that I think a large reason, say, the All-In podcast has become massively popular because of that interplay.
0:08:24 And it’s fun.
0:08:26 I always enjoy this type of banter.
0:08:27 Yeah.
0:08:29 And we’ve got a lot to catch up.
0:08:30 So yeah, why don’t you hop in?
0:08:31 So Addison, are you around?
0:08:38 We have my dear friend, Addison, who lives here in LA, who is a part-time semi-professional bartender, mixologist.
0:08:40 Not really, but, you know, he does that for fun.
0:08:49 And he also does an AI company, part-time, called pickstudio.ai, which just came out with a new model.
0:08:52 And you know how these AI models are changing so fast, right?
0:08:53 Yes.
0:08:56 When I was first messing around with this with him like a while ago, it was pretty good.
0:08:57 It was good.
0:08:59 It was like, I used it as a headshot for a couple of places, right?
0:09:00 And I was like, look at it.
0:09:02 If you squinted, you’d be like, mm, AI, right?
0:09:03 Uncanny Valley.
0:09:04 He’d be like, wait a second.
0:09:07 So they came out with a new model, and I wanted to show you.
0:09:09 We’ll see if Addison’s going to make us some drinks as well.
0:09:10 I want to show you a couple of pictures of yourself.
0:09:12 Dude, this is a brand new model.
0:09:13 Holy shit.
0:09:14 That’s insane.
0:09:15 Is that insane?
0:09:18 And we’ll put these up on YouTube and other places so people can see the images.
0:09:19 That’s terrifying.
0:09:21 Dude, how real does that look?
0:09:22 I’m looking good.
0:09:25 This should be your new dating profile picture.
0:09:29 You’re a little preppy there with the cargo shorts.
0:09:32 I’m a little preppy, but you know, this is like, the ocean looks nice.
0:09:37 What’s crazy is the kind of full body dimension accuracy.
0:09:38 Yeah.
0:09:39 That’s nuts.
0:09:40 Yeah.
0:09:44 He was saying that you can like use the prompt now to say like this shirt type or like, there’s
0:09:45 your Steve Jobs.
0:09:50 So looking at these photos, I would say even I would be like, wait a second.
0:09:51 Did I take that photo?
0:09:52 Did I ever take that photo?
0:09:53 No.
0:09:54 That’s not me.
0:09:55 That is terrifying.
0:09:56 I know.
0:09:57 It’s terrifying.
0:09:58 It’s awesome though at the same time.
0:09:59 It’s awesome and terrifying.
0:10:03 I mean, in short order, we’re already seeing memes turned into videos.
0:10:04 Yes.
0:10:05 Right.
0:10:06 I mean, it’s going to be the wild west.
0:10:07 It’s already is.
0:10:08 It’s going to be crazy.
0:10:09 Speaking of looking good though.
0:10:10 You’re looking great.
0:10:14 And I want to do your dating life update as well.
0:10:17 But we need a drink first.
0:10:18 Okay.
0:10:19 Jesus.
0:10:20 One job.
0:10:21 Two jobs.
0:10:22 AI in this.
0:10:23 I’m just kidding.
0:10:24 Just kidding.
0:10:25 Okay.
0:10:26 So speaking of looking good, do you want to show off your tattoo?
0:10:27 Oh yeah.
0:10:29 I just got a little crane here.
0:10:31 Jess Machetti on Instagram.
0:10:32 She’s amazing.
0:10:33 New York based tattoo artist.
0:10:37 She’s done Bruce Willis, a bunch of other really famous kind of people in the house.
0:10:39 I was wondering why you had Bruce Willis on your forum.
0:10:40 Yeah, exactly.
0:10:41 How did you choose that?
0:10:46 So you probably know this, but in Japanese lore, children’s books and others, the crane
0:10:51 is a symbol of because of its length that can span heaven and earth.
0:10:55 And so it uses a bridge for souls to transfer between heaven and earth.
0:10:56 I just like that lore.
0:10:57 Yeah.
0:10:58 It’s cool.
0:10:59 And I got the meditator done by her on the front of me as well.
0:11:03 So got both, but she’s insanely, insanely talented.
0:11:04 Very talented.
0:11:05 Yeah.
0:11:06 Beautiful artwork.
0:11:08 We’ll link to her profile in the old show notes.
0:11:14 So you were looking really good on Instagram and you posted that you got a vampire facial
0:11:15 done.
0:11:16 Yeah, vampire facial.
0:11:17 Yeah.
0:11:20 So I put up a photo which popped up on my phone.
0:11:25 It was generated by the phone and it had, you know, today, eight years ago and it was
0:11:32 a photo of me from eight years ago and I realized, which I more or less hoped would be the case
0:11:35 and really pushed for, which was like, all right, I lost my hair pretty early and then
0:11:39 I looked older than my friends and I was like, I just need to make it like the next 10 years
0:11:41 and train my ass off and watch my diet.
0:11:45 And I think I’ll kind of flat line or plateau in terms of how I look.
0:11:46 Right.
0:11:51 And the photos made it look, I think, like I had largely not aged in eight years.
0:11:52 It looked amazing.
0:11:53 It looked amazing.
0:12:01 So I, I put up eight years on the Romanian vampire protocol trademark and I put RVP and
0:12:07 parentheses will do wonders for your skin and it was a total joke on my part, unbeknownst
0:12:08 to me though.
0:12:09 Well, you put, you turned off comments too.
0:12:11 I turned off comments.
0:12:12 Yeah.
0:12:14 There’s a long story behind that we won’t get into, but the reason that was funny is
0:12:17 because so many people, I didn’t get any of the feedback, the feedback there is a such
0:12:20 thing as a vampire facial and you were joking.
0:12:21 And I looked at it.
0:12:23 I was like, Oh shit, Tim does the vampire too.
0:12:24 I’m like, wow, he’s been doing it for a long time.
0:12:26 He’s never told me about it, you know?
0:12:27 What is the vampire face?
0:12:32 So about a month ago now, I was at the dermatologist and you know, you go in once a year and get
0:12:36 your all your warts and shit looked at to make sure you don’t have a cancer.
0:12:39 And I go in there and they’re like, Hey, like, you know, you want some good shit, you know,
0:12:43 like now that I’m looking at your eyes, we were talking about like crows feet and turning
0:12:45 them back into crow knuckles.
0:12:46 I don’t see anything.
0:12:47 It looks good, right?
0:12:48 Yeah.
0:12:49 You don’t even have crow knuckles.
0:12:50 Thank you for the compliment.
0:12:51 You’re welcome.
0:12:54 But I will tell you that, you know, the options they have are all of the LA shit, which I
0:12:55 don’t want to do.
0:12:58 Like I don’t want to get Botox on my face and shit.
0:13:01 You don’t want to be a lizard cat, lizard cat, walk among the lizard cat people.
0:13:02 Exactly.
0:13:03 I mean, it just looks horrible.
0:13:04 Cause like you can tell.
0:13:05 Yeah.
0:13:06 Please don’t do that.
0:13:09 But I’m sure you could get by with it for a couple of years and then even you look like
0:13:10 a plastic dude.
0:13:15 But now vampire because they are taking out your blood, spinning it, creating something
0:13:18 known as platelet-rich plasma.
0:13:20 And you’ve had that done before.
0:13:21 Not the facial though.
0:13:22 No.
0:13:23 So tell people why you did it.
0:13:26 Prior to the four hour body or in the process of writing the four hour body, which is all
0:13:31 about physical performance and modification and performance enhancement.
0:13:33 That book was published in 2010.
0:13:38 And at the time I was using PRP because it had been used at that time for certain types
0:13:43 of joint degeneration or orthopedic issues related to joints.
0:13:48 So I had interarticular joint injections in the elbows, shoulders, etc.
0:13:50 That’s not the one you got infected by, was it?
0:13:55 One of them was sadly a disaster.
0:13:56 Oh boy.
0:14:02 And whenever you inject anything, there’s a chance that you introduce pathogens through
0:14:03 the skin.
0:14:07 Now what I did not realize at the time is that particular clinic will remain unnamed.
0:14:11 When they injected the elbow, they used the wrong injection site.
0:14:15 And so they disinfected the surface level of the skin.
0:14:20 But there are so many layers to the skin and the skin is so thick on the elbow that there
0:14:23 was staff bacteria beneath that first disinfected area.
0:14:26 The needle pushed that into the joint capsule.
0:14:31 And then within 48 hours, my elbow is the size of a volleyball.
0:14:36 And I was chatting with a doctor, a friend of mine, who this was probably 11 PM at night,
0:14:37 references.
0:14:39 By the way, this is 12 years ago.
0:14:40 This is something like it.
0:14:41 12 years ago.
0:14:42 Remember, can we visit you at the hospital?
0:14:43 What was that?
0:14:44 Oh yeah.
0:14:45 That’s right.
0:14:46 You squirted juice out of your mouth.
0:14:47 Oh, that was gross.
0:14:48 Yeah.
0:14:49 So a few things happened.
0:14:53 Number one is my very competent doctor friend said, “Touch your elbow.
0:14:54 Is it hot?”
0:14:55 And I said, “Yes.”
0:14:58 And she said, “Do you need to go to the emergency room immediately?
0:14:59 Here’s the one you should go to.
0:15:00 Tell them this.”
0:15:01 And I did.
0:15:05 And a few hours later, they’re removing copious amounts of just disgusting.
0:15:06 Yeah.
0:15:07 Okay.
0:15:08 So I’m in the room.
0:15:09 Monster fluid.
0:15:10 You hit me up and you’re like, “I’m in the emergency room or whatever.
0:15:12 I’ve got this infection or whatever.”
0:15:14 And I’m like, “I should go check in on Tim.”
0:15:15 I go down there.
0:15:19 And I was, I want to say, didn’t some of it squirt against the wall?
0:15:23 There was a syringe full of all this disgusting juice, and so I squirted it at you like a
0:15:24 turkey bastard.
0:15:25 That’s right.
0:15:26 You just fuck her.
0:15:28 Like, “Oh, Adam, thank you so much, sir.”
0:15:29 Thank you very much.
0:15:30 This looks amazing.
0:15:31 Oh, God.
0:15:32 Thank you.
0:15:33 Thanks, brother.
0:15:34 Awesome.
0:15:35 What is it?
0:15:36 Tequila martini.
0:15:37 Tequila martini.
0:15:38 Cheers.
0:15:39 Cheers.
0:15:40 Cheers, brother.
0:15:41 This is your tequila, too, that you invested in.
0:15:42 Oh, yeah.
0:15:43 Lalo tequila.
0:15:44 Check it out.
0:15:45 Awesome.
0:15:46 Only alcohol brand I’ve ever invested in.
0:15:47 Thank you.
0:15:50 So yeah, you squirted staff infection at me.
0:15:51 You fucker.
0:15:52 I did.
0:15:56 Which I’m like, looking back at that, I’m like, “That was a pretty dick thing to do.”
0:15:57 Yeah.
0:15:58 I knew I wasn’t going to get you in the eyes.
0:16:01 I wasn’t going to fandom of the opera, you know.
0:16:02 But PRP.
0:16:03 Damn, this is a good drink.
0:16:04 It is a great drink.
0:16:07 But PRP, to be clear, number one, it’s your own blood.
0:16:08 Yes.
0:16:15 Number two, it can be in some instances really, really effective for orthopedic issues.
0:16:19 But there’s quite a bit of published literature, so you can look it up.
0:16:23 But I was unfamiliar with the applications to the vampire facial.
0:16:27 So I go in, they draw about three vials of blood.
0:16:28 They spin it.
0:16:31 They come back with something that looks like grape juice in the vials.
0:16:38 And then they take a micro-needling, it almost looks like some type of automatic toothbrush
0:16:39 or tattoo gun almost.
0:16:43 And then they go across your face, and they first pepper your skin.
0:16:47 All these little tiny micro holes, and then they lather it with all the PRP.
0:16:50 And then you go home, and you’re a little bruised up and stuff like that.
0:16:54 And then a week later, some of the lines just start to get reduced.
0:16:55 Yeah.
0:16:58 I’m actually kind of shocked looking at your beautiful baby eyes.
0:16:59 Thank you.
0:17:00 They’re going to do four of them in total.
0:17:01 I had to get the package.
0:17:02 You saved some money.
0:17:03 You got like 20% off.
0:17:05 It was a good package.
0:17:07 So you know, it’s like, for me, I’m like, dude, I’m fine getting old.
0:17:10 If anyone’s listening to this, they’ll be like, oh, they’re being too vain or whatever.
0:17:11 I’m fine with that.
0:17:12 I don’t care if I get wrinkles on that.
0:17:18 That said, a couple more years of just looking okay, doesn’t hurt anybody.
0:17:19 It’s natural.
0:17:20 It’s my own shit.
0:17:21 You know?
0:17:22 Don’t like.
0:17:23 I don’t know.
0:17:24 Helps with the dating life, speaking of which.
0:17:25 Helps with the dating life.
0:17:26 Yeah.
0:17:27 Modern dating.
0:17:28 We don’t have to spend a lot of time on it.
0:17:29 For a little bit, though.
0:17:30 I don’t know what’s on the other side.
0:17:31 What’s it like on the other side?
0:17:32 Yeah, you went to Paris.
0:17:34 Well, I went to Paris.
0:17:35 How was that?
0:17:36 And actually, I want to give them a shout out.
0:17:37 I stayed at…
0:17:38 All the women in Paris?
0:17:40 No, not all the women in Paris.
0:17:45 I went to an artist’s commune, effectively, or a utopian community.
0:17:52 They might not like this description, but, well, it’s an old chateau called Phatopia.
0:17:55 Like in that Money Python in the Holy Grail, where that guy gets stuck in that castle.
0:17:59 There are… we are all but 20 to 30 year old women.
0:18:01 Do you know what I’m talking about?
0:18:06 Yeah, I mean, that was the hope, but it was a broader spectrum of participants.
0:18:09 And I have really been making an effort.
0:18:14 And I think there’s a religious war afoot, which is… well, there are many religious
0:18:15 wars, right?
0:18:19 There’s like sleep training versus attachment style parenting.
0:18:21 People love factions and fighting.
0:18:25 Another one is… and I’ve been thinking about writing a blog post about this.
0:18:28 Let’s just call it “Romance versus Radical Planning.”
0:18:33 So when I talk about some of the more systematic ways that I’m approaching dating, what some
0:18:39 people will say is that’s so unromantic, to which I usually reply, “Now, what does romantic
0:18:40 mean?”
0:18:43 Walk me through what a week of taking a romantic approach would look like.
0:18:44 Interesting.
0:18:45 Usually they don’t have an answer.
0:18:48 What they mean is serendipity, like, etc.
0:18:54 And I am providing space for that, like going to Paris or outside of Paris to something
0:18:57 like Fatobi, which was an amazing experience.
0:19:05 But I think also, if you are, let’s just say, I’ll think this out loud, if you’re in college
0:19:12 or if you’re in a company and you’re right out of college, there’s a lot of natural inbuilt
0:19:13 serendipity.
0:19:14 Yeah.
0:19:15 Or if you live in a place like Manhattan.
0:19:16 Yeah.
0:19:17 A lot of people are single around your age.
0:19:18 Right.
0:19:19 Exactly.
0:19:20 Around your age.
0:19:21 You do social meetups all the time.
0:19:22 You don’t have things to do it now.
0:19:23 You don’t have kids yet.
0:19:24 Exactly.
0:19:26 You don’t have space for serendipity.
0:19:30 Let’s just say you already have inbuilt 30, 50, 60% serendipity, where if you want to
0:19:35 meet literally 100 plus new people a month, it’s very easy.
0:19:41 As you get older, as your friends, I’ll do respect, beautiful face aside, age out, basically.
0:19:45 They’re not going to be making introductions to maybe women who are in the age range I
0:19:48 would be aiming for because I would like to have a few kids biologically.
0:19:49 Yeah.
0:19:50 So you’re dipping down a little bit.
0:19:51 Yeah.
0:19:52 Yeah.
0:19:53 Right.
0:19:54 Yeah.
0:19:55 I mean, look.
0:19:56 I mean, I’ll be sure.
0:19:59 I mean, maybe in the 28 to 35 range.
0:20:00 All right.
0:20:01 Right?
0:20:02 Somewhere in there.
0:20:03 36, you’d be like, all right, maybe.
0:20:09 I want somebody who’s ready, very ready, excited to build a family, also has a good sense of
0:20:17 their own identity, feels confident in being good at having developed skills or passions
0:20:18 in certain areas.
0:20:23 I want them to feel very happy with what they’ve done so they don’t have, say, resentment
0:20:27 later if they feel like they’ve given up everything as it was just getting started.
0:20:28 It’s a great point.
0:20:31 So you want someone that’s kind of like, they probably even established a career at this
0:20:33 point that that’s what they’ve chosen to do.
0:20:35 They’re like, they’re confident in who they are.
0:20:38 They’re like, okay, I’m, you know, mid 30s, I’m thinking about kids in the next couple
0:20:40 of years, like that kind of situation.
0:20:41 Yeah, exactly.
0:20:42 Okay.
0:20:48 But I’ve realized, for instance, except gone on a few dates with lawyers or doctors in
0:20:52 those age ranges, they’ve been through so much schooling, they’re just getting out of
0:20:55 the gate and starting to get traction.
0:20:58 So it’s very hard, I think, for a woman in that position to think about having kids in
0:20:59 the next three years.
0:21:00 Right.
0:21:01 Very hard.
0:21:02 Right.
0:21:05 After so much investment in their education and so on.
0:21:07 It’s been a learning process.
0:21:09 I’ve met a lot of amazing people.
0:21:16 I think that, frankly, if I want to really double and triple down, I just have to spend
0:21:18 a bunch of time in a few major cities.
0:21:22 What’s the biggest turn off for you when you sit down on a date and somebody says something
0:21:26 or does something like, what’s your, what’s your number one, like anything that can work?
0:21:32 There are a lot of little things, but I think most people would find these irritating, right?
0:21:37 If someone’s late repeatedly and they don’t let you know until the time you’re supposed
0:21:39 to meet, that’s just, I’m a very punctual person.
0:21:41 That’s just not being an adult.
0:21:43 I want to be with an adult who is responsible.
0:21:47 If we’re going to build a family together, I need to know you have your shit together.
0:21:48 Interesting.
0:21:49 That’s fair.
0:21:50 I feel the same way.
0:21:53 If I’m even like a buddy, if I’m running five minutes late, I’m like, hey, right around
0:21:54 the corner, blah, blah.
0:21:55 Yeah.
0:22:00 And if someone’s repeatedly late, it means they probably haven’t operated in higher
0:22:05 stress situations or environments because you get punished for that, right?
0:22:06 Yeah.
0:22:07 It doesn’t work.
0:22:09 So that’d be one.
0:22:17 And also, I would say that for me, I’m looking for someone who is a compliment, not a duplicate,
0:22:18 right?
0:22:21 Even first with long hair is my ultimate nightmare, like I don’t need to date that person.
0:22:22 Right, right, right.
0:22:23 No.
0:22:24 We’d kill each other.
0:22:25 Yeah.
0:22:26 Right?
0:22:28 So that varies person to person.
0:22:33 But for me, that means someone, let’s just say you have a spectrum, like a slider in
0:22:34 the middle.
0:22:36 This is my working theory.
0:22:38 It seems to hold up.
0:22:41 So if you had a slider in the middle, you have this, it’s just called perfect androgyny.
0:22:44 We won’t stumble over the terms.
0:22:46 If you want exact definitions, just choose your own.
0:22:50 But let’s just say it’s perfect, 50/50 feminine masculine characteristics.
0:22:56 And then as you move out in either direction, you’ve got about 100% masculine, 100% feminine.
0:22:57 I think you don’t want 50.
0:22:58 Don’t tell me you want 50/50.
0:23:01 No, no, I don’t want 50/50.
0:23:06 What I’ve seen in couples that really, really work well is they tend to be equally distant
0:23:07 from the center.
0:23:08 Oh, interesting.
0:23:10 And by the way, that’s not a gendered thing.
0:23:14 Like you could have, for instance, I know couples where like the male is really playful,
0:23:21 A, B, and C has characteristics might be traditionally defined as feminine.
0:23:24 Wife is like COO once the ship.
0:23:25 That’s fine.
0:23:28 But they’re equally distant from that center point.
0:23:32 And that equivalent polarity seems to work.
0:23:33 That is fascinating.
0:23:39 Because I’ve had this conversation where I find that if you are so in the center and
0:23:46 you’re like 50/50 and no one is stepping up to be either masculine or feminine in a traditional
0:23:49 kind of like male/female role that we’re talking about here, obviously, there’s so many other
0:23:51 ones out there.
0:23:52 It’s very confusing.
0:23:53 Yeah.
0:23:56 Because you’re like, well, either you do something or I need to do something.
0:23:59 But it’s like, what is this like, this kind of like boring middle?
0:24:00 Yeah, totally.
0:24:06 I mean, I think if you look at primates, you look at humans, it’s like we like to know
0:24:11 sort of where we stand or like what we’re supposed to do.
0:24:12 What is our job?
0:24:17 And so I think that can take a lot of different forms energetically, like let’s take gender
0:24:19 out of it, like even within a company, right?
0:24:26 Like if it’s a pure, flat meritocracy, no job titles, if things get amorphous, it’s
0:24:27 going to be very confusing.
0:24:28 100%.
0:24:34 So I do think there’s a comfort that can come that is hard to put words to with matched
0:24:35 polarity.
0:24:36 Yeah.
0:24:37 Which again, it’s not a gender thing.
0:24:40 It’s more like a constellation of characteristics.
0:24:41 Should we shift gears a little bit?
0:24:42 Yeah, let’s do it.
0:24:43 Thank God.
0:24:44 Get me off the hotspot.
0:24:45 Yeah.
0:24:47 I was going to ask how the Paris dating scene was.
0:24:48 Yeah.
0:24:49 So I want to make a couple of recommendations.
0:24:50 Yes, please.
0:24:52 Do you know who Bobby Fingers is?
0:24:53 Sounds familiar.
0:24:56 So always a safe thing to say.
0:24:57 I think I’ve heard of him.
0:24:58 Yeah.
0:24:59 Tell me more.
0:25:06 Fingers is one of my favorite discoveries on YouTube of the last decade.
0:25:16 And he is one of the most unbelievably skilled artists, craftsmen, sculptor, polymaths.
0:25:21 It’s also hilarious and his writing is incredible.
0:25:25 He’s a performer and makes the most bizarre shit you’ve ever seen in your life.
0:25:33 So they’re like 10 to 30 minute long descriptions of him making something beautiful and then
0:25:35 like hiding it by burying it somewhere.
0:25:40 And there’s one of the, let’s say the scene with Michael Jackson, where his hair catches
0:25:43 on fire and he’s been building this entire diorama.
0:25:48 There’s one of the Mel Gibson DUI stop for way back in the day.
0:25:54 And I would say that if you want to see something that I think is pure genius.
0:25:55 Is this a video?
0:25:56 Or what is this?
0:25:57 Yeah, it’s a video channel.
0:26:02 So if you go to Bobby Fingers at Bobby Fingers on YouTube, you can find him on Patreon as
0:26:03 well.
0:26:12 Patreon.com/BobbyFingers YouTube.com/@BobbyFingers and this guy should have, in my opinion, hundreds
0:26:13 of millions of views.
0:26:14 What’s he at now?
0:26:15 Is it like bigger?
0:26:21 I mean, for what he’s doing, I think it is so hard to categorize that it hasn’t had as
0:26:22 much spread as it deserves.
0:26:23 195,000 followers.
0:26:25 Oh, he’s doing well.
0:26:32 But I really feel a moral, maybe a moral slash immoral obligation to recommend people go
0:26:33 check this out.
0:26:34 Oh, this is amazing.
0:26:37 There will be plenty to offend everyone, but it is so genius.
0:26:41 And unlike anything I’ve ever seen in my life, I strongly recommend people check it out.
0:26:46 And two of my favorites, there are many good ones, but I would say Michael Jackson or Mel
0:26:47 Gibson are a great place to start.
0:26:48 That’s awesome.
0:26:49 All right.
0:26:50 I will check that out.
0:26:51 Have you, by the way, were you doing a Zempik in this shot?
0:26:52 Oh, wow.
0:26:53 Look at that.
0:26:54 I’m so glad.
0:26:56 AI shaved my chest for me, too.
0:26:57 I am looking good.
0:26:59 Dude, that is legit.
0:27:00 Yeah.
0:27:01 I mean, that’s insane.
0:27:02 That’s if you were 007.
0:27:06 I mean, honestly, what’s crazy to me about that is how much you actually look like that.
0:27:12 How much, how great I look in those Speedos, but separately is the lighting.
0:27:13 Yeah.
0:27:14 It looks real.
0:27:15 That’s really.
0:27:17 Makes you want to go back to the gym.
0:27:20 I mean, why go to the gym when I can just put that on?
0:27:21 Exactly.
0:27:25 I’ve been training, I’ve been training very hard recently and feeling very good.
0:27:30 I’m not taking a Zempik, but I have been using a few different tools that I thought people
0:27:31 might find.
0:27:32 Yeah, that’s interesting.
0:27:39 So one, which was recommended to me by a two-time silver medalist in Olympic archery,
0:27:40 Jake Kaminsky.
0:27:45 I would also recommend people check out his channel if you want to learn anything about
0:27:47 archery, especially recurve.
0:27:50 He is amazing.
0:27:54 Both of us as a performer, proven performer, but as a teacher, so Jake Kaminsky with a
0:28:00 bunch of eyes, Kaminsky, he recommended the outdoorsman Atlas trainer frame system.
0:28:01 So what is this?
0:28:03 I’ll tell you the problem it solves.
0:28:05 So I owned a bunch of rocking sacks.
0:28:06 Yes.
0:28:08 Backpacks with weights in them.
0:28:13 And there are a few issues with the sacks that I’ve owned to date.
0:28:15 One is that they’re usually a set weight.
0:28:18 You can swap out these huge square plates.
0:28:22 Secondly, they don’t necessarily have a waist or kidney belt.
0:28:27 So the weight is on your shoulders and not also share it on your hips.
0:28:33 And this particular system is effectively a frame hiking backpack.
0:28:35 That’s what very well constructed.
0:28:37 And it has plate loading on your back.
0:28:39 So you can put Olympic plates on it.
0:28:44 So any weight plates you might have in a gym or that you might buy at Dick’s Sporting
0:28:48 Goods or whatever that you could use for barbell, you can slap onto this.
0:28:49 That’s amazing.
0:28:53 So you can adjust it in amazing increments and then use progressive resistance.
0:28:56 Now, do you want more weight on your hips?
0:29:00 I know, I know for like, don’t get me wrong, like obviously, like long term 50 mile hikes
0:29:02 or whatever you want to get the weight onto the hips.
0:29:07 You know, I got my DEXA scan done, which I’m sure you’ve done before low radiation calculates
0:29:10 all different types of muscle and fat types and bone density.
0:29:11 My bone density is going down.
0:29:12 Yeah, me too.
0:29:18 One of the things that Atea told me in his staff was like, rocking, like get, get weight
0:29:23 on the bones so that you can like, you know, maintain that bone density.
0:29:24 Yep.
0:29:25 Why throw it on the hips?
0:29:26 Why not leave it on the shoulders?
0:29:27 All right.
0:29:28 So there are a few reasons for that.
0:29:31 The first is, we’ve talked about this a lot on this show and offline too.
0:29:36 I’ve had, it’s improved dramatically, but for the last two years, I mean, I’ve been plagued
0:29:39 by incredibly painful chronic low back pain.
0:29:42 You’ve had back issues for a long time, dude, especially the last two years.
0:29:46 To the point where there’ve been moments say, you’re a year and a half ago where I couldn’t
0:29:47 stand or sit for more than five minutes.
0:29:48 Oh, geez.
0:29:49 Oh, that’s right.
0:29:51 Did you, you were carrying around that little ball or something that you put behind your
0:29:52 back?
0:29:53 Wasn’t there something?
0:29:56 Yeah, I still have that for, for really uncomfortable seats, if I have to be on, say, a plane for
0:29:57 a few hours or something like that.
0:30:00 I use a little Pilates ball, which you can fold up and stick in your pocket is actually
0:30:01 great for lumbar support.
0:30:08 But the point is I am specifically training for a hunt that I have at the end of this
0:30:09 month.
0:30:10 I do not hunt often.
0:30:14 The first hunt I ever did was for the four hour chef long ago.
0:30:19 That was 2012, but I would have done it probably 2010 or 2011.
0:30:26 And I just feel very good about sourcing ethical clean meat with wild harvesting.
0:30:27 And in this case, it’s an elk hunt.
0:30:31 I’ve done exclusively bow for probably close to 10 years now.
0:30:37 But part of that, well, some of the endangered species stuff you do, though, I know, I don’t
0:30:39 know why you sent back my snow leopard pancakes.
0:30:40 Yeah, exactly.
0:30:41 Yeah.
0:30:42 In this case, you do it the right way.
0:30:44 You get tags, everything is wildlife management.
0:30:47 But if you’re going to do that, you’re going to be at high altitude.
0:30:50 You’re going to be, in this case, it’s called bivvy hunting.
0:30:51 I’m going to be carrying everything.
0:30:58 How do you have so many flies in your pristine recording studio in any case?
0:30:59 It likes you.
0:31:00 I know.
0:31:02 I love you to fly.
0:31:07 So you’re going to be carrying basically your camp with you every day.
0:31:11 And that’s probably going to be between 9 and 12,000 feet above sea level.
0:31:14 And then if you harvest an animal, you’re going to be field dressing it, breaking it
0:31:17 down into pieces, and you might be carrying an additional 50 pounds.
0:31:19 You don’t want all that on your shoulders.
0:31:21 That would also be a very bad idea for me.
0:31:25 Not that you would do it anyway in that circumstance to load that on my shoulders, which would
0:31:28 place a lot of that on my lower back, which is compromised.
0:31:33 I have some pathological issues with my low back and my SI joint.
0:31:34 So I shift a lot of it to the hips.
0:31:37 You are taking some of it on the shoulders.
0:31:40 You don’t have any meat chirpas or anything that go with you?
0:31:44 I think we might have one or two people who are there just to be part of the trip and
0:31:45 might help with carrying.
0:31:51 But you have to keep in mind, like if you take down a larger bull elk, you might have,
0:31:52 I mean, hundreds of pounds of meat.
0:31:54 How do you keep that meat fresh?
0:31:58 There’s a number of different, no, number of different ways you might approach it.
0:32:02 Given the time of year and the elevation, it’s going to get pretty cold.
0:32:09 So a lot of folks first would hang the meat as they’re sort of deconstructing the animal
0:32:12 in the field and let it cool down.
0:32:18 Then you put it into meat bags, which look like big socks effectively, and then how they’re
0:32:23 going to actually protect that at camp or how they’ll place it, et cetera, remains to
0:32:24 be seen.
0:32:29 I am always going out with people who are effectively professional outdoorsmen who make, I’m always
0:32:31 the slow fat kid, always.
0:32:36 So part of the reason I’m training my ass off is to not completely embarrass the person
0:32:38 who invited me.
0:32:39 That’s going to be awesome though.
0:32:40 That’s fun.
0:32:41 Yeah, that’s great.
0:32:46 So I’m doing a lot of rocking, also doing a lot of training on activating, say, glute
0:32:51 medius, piriformis, hip, internal, external rotators.
0:32:57 And the more I do that, the less the obliques and other muscles turn on to compensate and
0:33:00 stabilize the low back and the less low back pain I have.
0:33:05 So that’s been another big breakthrough in terms of the low back issues.
0:33:10 But honestly, if you do some rocking, maybe some kettlebell swings once or twice a week,
0:33:14 some push-ups and some core work, you’re done.
0:33:15 You’re really hitting everything.
0:33:16 Yeah.
0:33:17 I love rocking.
0:33:22 Rocking has been kind of my three to five days a week, four miles each time with elevation.
0:33:29 And it’s just like in an hour and a half, oh, we got a new corner refill coming in hot.
0:33:30 What is this?
0:33:31 Yeah.
0:33:32 Sorry.
0:33:33 I know you like tequila.
0:33:34 Oh yeah.
0:33:35 It’s all right.
0:33:36 To pause.
0:33:37 Yeah.
0:33:38 This is called Fairbanks.
0:33:40 Rye, apricot liqueur, and thank you.
0:33:41 Thank you, Anderson.
0:33:42 Rye whiskey.
0:33:43 Tim has the board of flight after this.
0:33:44 Here we go.
0:33:45 Fireball shots.
0:33:46 Yeah, fireball shots.
0:33:47 Cheers, Kevin.
0:33:48 Cheers.
0:33:49 I want to watch the reaction.
0:33:50 There we go.
0:33:52 A reaction shot.
0:33:54 This is one of his favorite drinks to make.
0:33:55 That’s really nice.
0:33:58 I know he said not too sweet, but I tried to…
0:33:59 It’s not too sweet.
0:34:00 Isn’t that good?
0:34:01 And it has the fancy ice cubes too.
0:34:02 Spirit forward.
0:34:03 Yeah.
0:34:04 Spirit forward.
0:34:06 That’s in my dating bio.
0:34:09 Exactly.
0:34:10 So Paris for the…
0:34:11 Hold on.
0:34:12 Just tell me.
0:34:13 Tell me what they look like.
0:34:14 Because they got a good fashion sense up.
0:34:18 Well, part of what I was interested to see, I spent almost eight weeks in Europe, was
0:34:21 how does dating differ in different places in Europe?
0:34:22 They’re a little softer out there, though.
0:34:23 You like that?
0:34:24 Not necessarily.
0:34:25 Not necessarily.
0:34:26 No.
0:34:27 So it varies tremendously by country, I would say.
0:34:32 Of course, there’s a huge range within each country, but say in dating in France is very
0:34:37 different from dating in Madrid, which is very different from dating in other places.
0:34:39 It really varies tremendously.
0:34:48 But part of what I’m hoping for is finding someone, and these women exist, but a lot
0:34:51 of women, understandably for a million reasons, feel very conflicted and are put in, I think,
0:34:57 a difficult position, frankly, when thinking about career kids, basically trying to do
0:35:04 more than any person in history had to do before 50 years ago.
0:35:05 All right, let’s not go by the back end of this.
0:35:06 No, I’m just saying that–
0:35:07 No, I hear what you’re saying.
0:35:08 Yeah, it’s very challenging.
0:35:13 So what I want to get a real clear signal on is that somebody is excited to be a mom
0:35:17 in the same way that I’m excited to be a dad, and that it’s not, well, all my friends are
0:35:21 getting married, I guess this is what you do, even though I’m going to make all these compromises
0:35:23 and might resent it later.
0:35:28 I don’t want to subject a kid to that potential risk, right?
0:35:30 That’s wise of you.
0:35:33 So that’s what I’m looking for, but it’s nuts.
0:35:37 There isn’t some garden of Eden where you magically just walk down Whole Foods and pick
0:35:43 up a woman like that, but there are some significant cultural differences from place to place.
0:35:44 Yeah.
0:35:45 All right, so I have a gift for you.
0:35:46 I have a gift.
0:35:47 It’s my kind of you.
0:35:48 Oh, wow.
0:35:49 This is called a Fino.
0:35:50 Oh, my gosh.
0:35:52 This is my buddy’s new startup.
0:35:57 And in the self-experimenting kind of crazy vein of things, I want to show you this now.
0:35:58 Fino.
0:35:59 Fino.
0:36:00 Yeah.
0:36:01 So this is, okay, this is a beta.
0:36:02 Yeah.
0:36:03 Okay.
0:36:04 So you can’t laugh at me because remember you’re going to be doing this by yourself.
0:36:05 Oh, God.
0:36:06 Okay.
0:36:08 It’s not like a flashlight or anything.
0:36:09 Okay.
0:36:10 What the fuck?
0:36:16 So this is a medically proven way to brush your entire mouth in 20 seconds.
0:36:17 Wow.
0:36:18 Okay.
0:36:19 So that’s interesting.
0:36:20 So watch this.
0:36:21 Oh, wow, you’re going to try it.
0:36:23 You put those foam in here.
0:36:24 Yeah.
0:36:25 And so there’s this.
0:36:27 They have this little app that custom creates a mold.
0:36:30 I asked you to buy this from an ad on Pornhub.
0:36:38 So this is going to look a little mouth aggressive.
0:36:39 Okay.
0:36:44 So if you’re watching the video forward, mouth aggressive, that’s also my bio.
0:36:45 Exactly.
0:36:50 So what you do is that the, this was created by a couple of founders that, you know, obviously
0:36:53 were one of them was the dentist and they figured out that, you know, compliance is
0:36:56 really hard with, with, with people, say, everyone says they floss.
0:36:57 They don’t.
0:36:58 Yeah.
0:36:59 I do.
0:37:00 But do you floss?
0:37:01 Oh, like seven times a day.
0:37:05 So I’m put this in my mouth and this is going to wrap around both sides.
0:37:06 How are you going to, how are you going to rinse them?
0:37:07 I don’t know.
0:37:08 All right.
0:37:09 Let’s see.
0:37:10 Let’s see.
0:37:11 This is going to be good.
0:37:28 I couldn’t stop it.
0:37:37 Holy shit, you definitely bought that on Pornhub.
0:37:41 No, I did not, but it works surprisingly well.
0:37:42 I’ll try it.
0:37:43 I got one for you.
0:37:44 Thank you.
0:37:48 I got to say that I, I do love, it has sensors in there.
0:37:49 I know, I know.
0:37:50 I bet it does.
0:37:51 You’re doing it by yourself.
0:37:53 So you don’t, you’re getting mouth raked every time.
0:37:54 I can see you winking.
0:37:56 I can see you winking.
0:38:02 It is aggressive, but I will say that it is very, it does a very good job cleaning.
0:38:03 Aggressive but effective.
0:38:04 Aggressive but effective.
0:38:06 And it’s 20 seconds, which is great.
0:38:09 They have sensors that actually scan your gums, look at gum health and can send that
0:38:10 back to your doctor.
0:38:11 What?
0:38:13 On the device, built into the device.
0:38:17 So your doctor can actually see recession and like things are happening with your gum.
0:38:18 So it’s like a very tech forward device.
0:38:24 You know, I had my first real surgery was when I was a kid for receding gingiva.
0:38:31 I actually had a huge piece of my upper, well, I guess your only palette removed and grafted
0:38:32 holy shit onto my lower gums.
0:38:33 Like sugar and shit?
0:38:34 Like what were you doing?
0:38:35 No, it was just genetic.
0:38:37 Like my gums were receding when I was a kid.
0:38:40 I don’t know how old I was, maybe 12, something like that.
0:38:41 That’s brutal.
0:38:43 That’s the first time I’ve ever done that.
0:38:44 Vigorous.
0:38:50 Yeah, it’s like, it’s like a, I was so upset that I did not video that from this direction.
0:38:53 We’ve got that camera right there.
0:38:54 That’s the slow-mo.
0:38:55 We need that slow-mo.
0:38:57 So we’re the intro to the episode.
0:39:01 Listen, hey, you know what’s funny is like when I was putting together these stories
0:39:05 for the random show, I’m like, I love, if you look back historically at all the years
0:39:10 we’ve been doing this episode, we’ve had some of the most craziest, stupidest shit and
0:39:11 talked about the dumbest stuff.
0:39:15 I mean, we already today talked about you squirting your freaking infectious fluid.
0:39:16 That’s true.
0:39:17 My body.
0:39:18 True.
0:39:19 Like we’ve done some weird shit.
0:39:20 And so I always try and like to find stuff.
0:39:22 I mean, this is like both cool.
0:39:25 Every once in a while, one of those things five years later, look at that.
0:39:26 Yeah, exactly.
0:39:27 Yeah, exactly.
0:39:30 Remember, dude, I talked about Ethereum for the first time on the show before launch.
0:39:31 When was that?
0:39:32 That was God.
0:39:33 That was a long time ago.
0:39:36 Dude, when I was still living in my first place in San Francisco, I watched the clip
0:39:38 and I’m like, Oh, there’s this one cryptocurrency.
0:39:39 Yeah.
0:39:40 Yeah.
0:39:41 Right.
0:39:42 And you’re like, no, no, no, tell me, tell me.
0:39:43 And I’m like, well, it hasn’t launched yet.
0:39:44 You’re like, what is it?
0:39:45 I’m like, well, it’s called Ethereum.
0:39:46 When was that?
0:39:47 That was like 25.
0:39:48 It had to be like 2014 or something.
0:39:49 I mean, it was way back then.
0:39:50 Yeah.
0:39:51 It was way back then.
0:39:55 I remember exactly where we were sitting by the fireplace in my first rental in San
0:39:56 Francisco.
0:39:57 That’s a cool spot.
0:39:58 Yeah.
0:39:59 All right.
0:40:00 Your turn.
0:40:01 What do you got?
0:40:02 My turn.
0:40:04 I would say that I can’t say too much about it.
0:40:05 You’re going to hate that.
0:40:09 But we never asked what your book was about, but anyway, I can’t really.
0:40:10 So I never talked about it.
0:40:13 I’ll talk about a superstition that may actually have something to it.
0:40:17 I as well as a handful of other authors, I know really well who’ve written a lot of
0:40:25 books feel like there is such a thing as let’s call it mimetic release.
0:40:35 And what I mean by that is I think it’s fairly frequently observed that you’ll have some as
0:40:40 an example intractable scientific problem or some scientific problem that researchers
0:40:43 around the world are grappling with.
0:40:49 And there’s almost no apparent major progress made for years and years and years.
0:40:52 And then within the same two week period, people in all these different locations suddenly
0:40:53 make breakthroughs.
0:40:56 What is happening there, right?
0:41:00 And what I have observed and again, this is getting into maybe what people would consider
0:41:05 magical thinking, but I can’t explain it doesn’t mean there isn’t an explanation.
0:41:10 When people talk about ideas, that idea seems to suddenly pop up in a lot of other places.
0:41:14 Now you could make the argument that that’s maybe expectancy bias, right?
0:41:18 If you buy a Hyundai, it’s a red Hyundai, then you see all you see is red Hyundai.
0:41:20 So there could be an element of that.
0:41:25 But there seems to be more to it, which is part of the reason why I don’t talk about
0:41:31 like the key core concepts in a book before I release something.
0:41:35 But I will say in terms of progress in case anybody’s wondering have probably five to
0:41:36 600 pages drafted.
0:41:37 Oh, shit.
0:41:38 It’s a big book.
0:41:39 Got a lot.
0:41:40 Yeah.
0:41:42 I mean, all my books are phone books and that is going to cut down probably.
0:41:45 Well, actually, it’s probably going to get to like 800 and then I’ll get cut down to
0:41:47 like 500 or 400.
0:41:50 Did you use any AI in crafting this?
0:41:51 I did not.
0:41:52 Nothing.
0:41:53 Not yet.
0:41:54 Okay.
0:41:55 Not yet.
0:41:56 Will you apply that to some of the chapters?
0:41:57 I might apply it.
0:42:03 In combination with test readers, looking for gaps in the material, basically use AI
0:42:04 as a critic.
0:42:05 Right.
0:42:13 And try to find gaps that would be ultimately helpful to mainstream or a larger audience
0:42:14 of readers.
0:42:15 I could see using it that way.
0:42:21 I did a really cool thing the other day where I took a credit custom chat GPT and I uploaded,
0:42:27 I went back and I looked at every single book that Warren Buffett had ever recommended.
0:42:28 Okay.
0:42:30 The intelligent investor, like all these, right?
0:42:33 And I found the PDFs from them all because they’re like, you can just Google them there.
0:42:36 And I uploaded them all to the chat GPT.
0:42:39 And I said, you’re my investment advisor.
0:42:40 What should I do in this particular situation?
0:42:45 And I’m asking questions of this custom saved chat GPT based on all of Buffett’s favorite
0:42:46 books.
0:42:47 It’s freaking fascinating.
0:42:50 You know, you probably also do is take all of his annual letters.
0:42:51 Oh, yeah.
0:42:52 Well, a hundred percent.
0:42:53 I have that.
0:42:54 There’s a book about his annual letters that I uploaded into it.
0:42:55 They green cover.
0:42:56 Yeah.
0:42:57 They’re in there.
0:42:58 Yeah.
0:42:59 Yeah.
0:43:00 So that’s so cool.
0:43:01 What happened?
0:43:02 Well, I just got some insights.
0:43:03 Like I was asking, like, by loose.
0:43:04 By loose.
0:43:05 Oh, yeah.
0:43:06 It turns out index funds is all says back to me.
0:43:07 Yeah.
0:43:08 It’s like you idiots.
0:43:09 Don’t outsmart yourself.
0:43:10 Yeah.
0:43:13 But I mean, there’s very specific questions you have around, you know, timing of markets
0:43:17 or not that I’m, I didn’t ask that particular question, but like, you know, things around
0:43:22 the markets where you’re like, okay, how do you feel about our current state when we think
0:43:25 there’s going to, the Fed is going to cut rates over the next 12 months, you know, what
0:43:29 do you think about bonds, blah, blah, and just like spit back very intelligent responses
0:43:34 based on historic data, which I find is just like, I mean, that is so cool.
0:43:35 Yeah.
0:43:36 That’s amazing.
0:43:37 It’s really cool.
0:43:38 Anyway, I’m excited for your book.
0:43:39 When will it launch though?
0:43:42 When we talking, I mean, you’re 500 and 600 pages in.
0:43:45 I’ve been thinking about a few different options.
0:43:51 One is doing it the way that I have done in the past, which is to release it all at once
0:43:53 as a book launch.
0:43:57 There will definitely be some new experimental wrinkles to that, no matter what traditional
0:44:02 publisher before you did Amazon once you did, well, I did Amazon publishing, which
0:44:05 at that time you could consider a traditional publisher.
0:44:06 So yeah, in structures, right?
0:44:10 They just had the distribution advantage Amazon.
0:44:11 This time around, we’ll see.
0:44:18 I mean, I could very easily see doing ebook, audio on my own or through an Amazon platform
0:44:23 thing, and then possibly doing a print only deal or doing print on demand, frankly, like
0:44:26 the quality print on demand has improved so much.
0:44:27 Yes.
0:44:28 It’s absolutely perfectly sufficient.
0:44:30 Dude, I was at Ryan holidays.
0:44:33 I went to his bookstore outside of Austin, which is amazing.
0:44:34 It’s great.
0:44:35 Great bookstore.
0:44:36 He has the best bookstore.
0:44:37 What a life.
0:44:38 I love him.
0:44:39 He’s such a good dude.
0:44:46 And it’s such a beautifully curated art project that is driven by him.
0:44:47 Yes.
0:44:53 If you want to see sort of a new manifestation of the best of old school bookstores, visit
0:44:54 painted boards.
0:44:55 Yeah.
0:44:58 And it’s like about a half hour to 40 minute drive outside of Austin.
0:45:00 He’s got cats walking around there.
0:45:03 It’s all of his favorite books, you know, he even has cats.
0:45:04 Yeah.
0:45:06 There’s even cats for the cat lovers.
0:45:09 This thing I would say that was really cool is that he actually had his books printed
0:45:14 like higher inversions of his books, like Leatherbound, like super high inversions that
0:45:17 he had done that were just insane quality.
0:45:18 Yeah.
0:45:19 Beautiful.
0:45:21 Like, and those are kind of like as you need them, like kind of like on demand.
0:45:23 You know, it’s a bit of a trivia for folks.
0:45:25 Well, I’ll give trivia on trivia.
0:45:30 So trivia, Trivia, Wreath, Three Roads, it’s actually these little chockies that travelers
0:45:34 and put down for good luck on their path at intersections of paths.
0:45:36 That’s where trivia comes from.
0:45:46 But separately, the painted porch refers to stoicism, which comes from the Greek stoa,
0:45:53 because early iterations of the philosophical tenets of stoicism were taught in this open
0:45:56 porch, open air porch area.
0:45:58 So that is why his bookstores called the painting porch.
0:45:59 That’s amazing.
0:46:00 Yeah.
0:46:01 We’ve got 14 year old toaster.
0:46:02 I know.
0:46:03 Coming to visit us.
0:46:04 You’re saying he’s totally deaf, but he’s totally deaf.
0:46:05 He still remembers me.
0:46:06 Yeah.
0:46:07 You know what he did?
0:46:08 He’s done courses of Rapamycin.
0:46:09 Oh, yeah?
0:46:10 Yeah.
0:46:12 So I put him on it a few years ago.
0:46:13 And it seems to be working.
0:46:14 I mean, dude, you see him.
0:46:15 He’s moving around great.
0:46:16 He’s almost 14.
0:46:17 I know.
0:46:18 This brings back so many memories.
0:46:21 I mean, back way, way back in the day.
0:46:22 I’m looking at Daria.
0:46:23 Hi, Daria.
0:46:26 I remember recording on your couch.
0:46:28 This is back still on dig, dig days.
0:46:29 Yeah.
0:46:34 And and toaster is a little pupper and he was chewing on the XLR cables and almost killed
0:46:36 our podcast and killed himself.
0:46:37 Yes.
0:46:39 And here he is all these years later, wagging his tail.
0:46:40 Yeah.
0:46:45 I caught him like halfway through one time a an actual full like voltage cable on the
0:46:46 wall.
0:46:48 And I just like, yeah, it was.
0:46:51 So Rapamycin, we’ve probably talked about before, but people can check out.
0:46:54 I’m not sure what this current status is, but the dog aging project.
0:46:55 I did a podcast with Matt Caperlin.
0:46:56 Yeah.
0:46:57 University of Washington.
0:47:01 You and I both supported that support that funding wise to fund that and power that study.
0:47:02 Yep.
0:47:03 Yeah.
0:47:04 Totally.
0:47:08 So did Brian Armstrong, Armstrong from Coinbase, like we all kind of chipped in to see what
0:47:09 would happen.
0:47:12 Really, really, really fascinating work.
0:47:17 So people are interested in Rapamycin for potential longevity applications can take a
0:47:18 look at that.
0:47:20 I didn’t interview separately with Matt Caperlin, which I really, really enjoyed.
0:47:21 What else do you have?
0:47:25 I have one quick update, one just for people to check out.
0:47:29 So original love, Henry Shookman’s new book, who is my Zen master.
0:47:30 Got to give him a plug.
0:47:31 He’s such an awesome.
0:47:32 He’s a great guy.
0:47:35 I love the way fantastic meditation app you and I are both investors in.
0:47:38 Always want to give Henry some love because he’s such a good, good soul.
0:47:39 And the book is fantastic.
0:47:40 You did some mix.
0:47:41 So that’s called.
0:47:42 Original love.
0:47:43 Yeah.
0:47:44 All right.
0:47:48 You did some training recently and you sent me the schedule, the daily schedule.
0:47:50 What did your daily schedule look like and how long did it last?
0:47:57 So I went to a five day silent meditation retreat with his master, who is the head of the Zen
0:48:01 sect out of Japan flew in for this into Santa Fe, New Mexico.
0:48:06 And so I will tell you when you sit with Henry and you do, I’ve done a seven day silent
0:48:08 retreat with him in the past.
0:48:12 If it’s just mountain cloud Zen center, which is his Zen center, it’s probably four hours
0:48:13 of sitting a day.
0:48:16 And then there’s like, you know, walking meditation and a stretching thing.
0:48:20 Like when the Zen master is there, like when the guy from Japan’s there, like it’s like
0:48:23 legit like hell week.
0:48:25 It’s hell week for meditation.
0:48:29 So I was up at five a.m. every morning and I didn’t get to bed till probably like released
0:48:31 at like eight 30 and I was sitting for most of the day.
0:48:35 So one thing I want to ask you about because I saw it in there, there’s a lot of sitting
0:48:36 meditation.
0:48:40 I’m like, okay, that sounds uncomfortable doing that for eight hours a day, which, you
0:48:45 know, I tried once people who want to read about my like complete and fasting for like
0:48:46 six days.
0:48:47 Yeah.
0:48:48 People want to read about myself inflicted implosion.
0:48:54 That’s in a separate interview, but the chanting before meal time.
0:48:55 Yeah.
0:48:56 What’s the story here?
0:49:00 Well, in the traditional monasteries and whatnot where they have actual monks, there is a
0:49:03 lot of it’s it’s only like 10 minutes.
0:49:04 It’s just kind of reciting.
0:49:05 Try chanting for 10 minutes.
0:49:06 Tell me it’s only.
0:49:10 No, but it’s just like reciting a lot of the the precepts and a lot of like just in
0:49:11 English.
0:49:12 Japanese.
0:49:15 Sometimes in Japanese, some of the English, depending on who’s running it.
0:49:17 Do you have a little like Psalm book that you read from?
0:49:18 Yeah.
0:49:19 Okay.
0:49:20 It’s when it’s in Japanese 100%.
0:49:21 Yeah.
0:49:22 I don’t even know what I’m saying.
0:49:23 I could be like large donkey cock.
0:49:24 Yeah.
0:49:25 Carpich bag.
0:49:26 Yeah.
0:49:27 So triceratops.
0:49:30 I don’t know what to say, but it’s quite nice.
0:49:35 It’s just like a way to kind of like in cap a set, you know, and then and then move into
0:49:36 the next thing.
0:49:38 So good after being totally silent.
0:49:39 Oh my gosh.
0:49:40 Just to like hear some voices.
0:49:41 I know.
0:49:46 I went out afterwards because I was waiting for my plane to fly out and I went to this
0:49:49 place because Santa Fe is known for their like chilies, like they’re good chillies.
0:49:52 I had like because like vegetarian food the entire week.
0:49:53 Yeah.
0:49:55 I was immediately wondering how’d that go for you?
0:49:59 Oh dude, I went straight to a double chili burger and a large IPA like straight up the
0:50:00 gate.
0:50:01 You sent photos.
0:50:02 Yeah.
0:50:03 I’m sure I did.
0:50:04 Yeah.
0:50:05 To you and Saka.
0:50:06 Yeah.
0:50:07 That’s right.
0:50:08 Was that disaster pants at 30,000 feet?
0:50:11 It was definitely like my stomach was not happy.
0:50:12 I was I was paying for that.
0:50:13 But yeah.
0:50:14 So I do.
0:50:15 How much time do you have?
0:50:16 Because I know you have.
0:50:17 I have time.
0:50:18 Okay.
0:50:19 Do you want a couple?
0:50:20 I got a really crazy one.
0:50:21 Let’s do crazy.
0:50:22 Okay.
0:50:23 Do you have a cloth though yet?
0:50:24 Yeah.
0:50:29 I mean, so Peter and Tia did a fantastic episode, which we both, I would say would highly recommend
0:50:30 yeah.
0:50:33 With Hondina, who is a fantastic researcher at UCSF.
0:50:38 She has identified a compound called cloth though, which is just absolutely insane.
0:50:39 Yeah.
0:50:41 So in fairness, it was identified by Japanese research.
0:50:42 Sorry.
0:50:43 Sorry.
0:50:44 My bad.
0:50:45 My bad.
0:50:46 But she’s spent a good part of her career.
0:50:47 She is one of the foremost experts in the world.
0:50:48 Yes.
0:50:49 For sure.
0:50:50 Yeah.
0:50:51 So she did an episode with the Tia that was a deep dive for about an hour and a half.
0:50:54 I mean, do you, do you have the, the kind of stats in front of you?
0:50:57 I can, I can ballpark it if you want.
0:50:58 Why don’t you ballpark it?
0:51:01 So the ballpark it in my understanding is that.
0:51:05 So cloth would just let people know is it’s naturally produced in humans, especially under
0:51:08 high intensity kind of interval exercise.
0:51:10 So you get more natural level of this.
0:51:13 We all have in our blood right now as you age, you get less of it.
0:51:14 Okay.
0:51:19 So the interesting thing in humans that they know is that people that have these, there’s
0:51:21 two genes, there’s a genetic polymorphisms.
0:51:24 And if you are an overproducer, if you have these snips where you’re an overproducer,
0:51:29 meaning you naturally produce more of this cloth, though, you just get dramatically less
0:51:31 dementia risk.
0:51:37 And even if the very famous, you know, there is the APOE, APOE, APOE three, APOE four genes,
0:51:41 whereas if you are a four carrier, meaning like most people are three, three.
0:51:45 If you’re a three, four, you’re like something like five to seven times more likely to get
0:51:46 Alzheimer’s.
0:51:47 If you’re four, four, you’re kind of fucked.
0:51:50 It’s like 80% of people get Alzheimer’s or something like that.
0:51:56 If you have one of these snips and you are way more likely to get it, but you’re also
0:51:58 an overproducer cloth, though, it evens out the playing field.
0:51:59 Yeah, it’s crazy.
0:52:01 So you don’t get the same risk of dementia.
0:52:05 So there is a lot of, now the crazier shit is like, forget the mouse days, the mouse
0:52:06 days are all awesome.
0:52:09 They reverse dimension all that shit when they give them cloth though.
0:52:14 When you give it to monkeys, even if they don’t have dementia, they’re like instantly, this
0:52:15 is subcutaneous shot.
0:52:16 Monkey limitless.
0:52:20 It’s going to instantly become like 20% smarter, like for four weeks instantly from just getting
0:52:21 a little boost of cloth.
0:52:22 It’s going to be in the headline.
0:52:23 Monkey limitless.
0:52:24 Dude, it’s nuts.
0:52:25 It’s nuts.
0:52:29 So, you know, we’re very close to finishing the deal, but at True Ventures, we’re writing
0:52:34 a very big check that I’m leading around into the, we’re going to get this in humans
0:52:36 in the next year and a half.
0:52:37 You’re going to participate.
0:52:38 Yeah.
0:52:39 Atea is going to participate.
0:52:42 And I can read quickly just for people who want to check it out.
0:52:48 So this is the, the name, I believe it’s the name of the episode that Peter has on the
0:52:52 drive, which is his podcast, a breakthrough in Alzheimer’s disease, the promising potential
0:52:56 of cloth over brain health, cognitive decline, and as a therapeutic tool for Alzheimer’s disease.
0:52:58 So I have Alzheimer’s on both sides of my family.
0:53:00 So this is, but you’re three three though, right?
0:53:01 I’m a three three.
0:53:02 Okay.
0:53:06 But I have been interested in tracking this for so long in terms of possible therapeutic
0:53:07 interventions.
0:53:08 Yes.
0:53:10 That’s why I studied neuroscience initially as an undergrad.
0:53:11 Yes.
0:53:16 That’s why I was initially the very first check I ever cut for supporting science was
0:53:18 for Adam Ghazali and some of his early stuff.
0:53:19 That’s awesome.
0:53:20 Way back in the day.
0:53:21 I’ve also given Adam some cash to go do some course.
0:53:22 Yeah.
0:53:23 Adam, check him out.
0:53:24 He’s been on the podcast as well.
0:53:27 And the description is, I’ll just give you this very quickly.
0:53:31 So Dina Dubal is a physician scientist and professor of neurology at UCSF, whose work
0:53:34 focuses on mechanisms of longevity and brain resilience.
0:53:39 In this episode, Dina Dolves, Dolves, yeah, that’s the bitters talking.
0:53:44 Dina Delves into the intricacies of the longevity factor clot though.
0:53:45 It’s formation and distribution in the body.
0:53:49 The factors such as stress and exercise that impacts its level.
0:53:53 And it’s profound impact on cognitive function and overall brain health.
0:53:59 I don’t want to skip over the exercise because while you’re waiting for this to be available,
0:54:01 is a subcutaneous or intramuscular shot.
0:54:04 I think it should be effective subcutaneous.
0:54:06 That’s by the way, that’s the way they’ve gone to the monkeys.
0:54:07 Yeah.
0:54:08 Subcutaneous, very easy.
0:54:09 Very, very, very simple.
0:54:11 It’s either using a zempik or is a zempik subcutaneous?
0:54:12 It is.
0:54:13 Yeah.
0:54:16 Very, very simple to do, not painful.
0:54:17 Before that is available.
0:54:18 Exercise.
0:54:19 Yes.
0:54:24 Exercise is arguably the most potent way to increase your circulating levels of clot
0:54:25 though.
0:54:26 Yes.
0:54:27 We’re very excited for this.
0:54:29 The potential application here is huge, obviously.
0:54:31 This could be the ozempik for the mind.
0:54:32 We’ll see.
0:54:37 We’ll know more in a bit and once this gets funded, excited to see where it goes.
0:54:44 But I think this is what I love about just our ability finally at this stage in life,
0:54:47 Tim, like you’ve done so much on the psychedelic research side, which has been amazing on the
0:54:51 philanthropic side, which is like a paid newsletter, where I can have a more private
0:54:57 community and 100% of the proceeds from the first month are going into fund a Matt Walker
0:55:01 sleep study in which he’s identified some antioxidants that he believes can repair a
0:55:03 bad night’s sleep.
0:55:07 So Matt Walker, for those people who don’t recognize the name, amazing, a super sweet
0:55:08 guy.
0:55:09 Brilliant researcher.
0:55:10 I just had him on the podcast.
0:55:13 Who also wrote Why We Sleep, which was a mega, mega bestseller.
0:55:14 Yeah.
0:55:19 And Matt’s such a fantastic, well-rounded researcher in the world.
0:55:20 Beautiful voice too.
0:55:21 Yeah.
0:55:22 I mean, his accent.
0:55:23 Dulcet.
0:55:24 Velvet British tones.
0:55:25 Yes.
0:55:26 Soothing.
0:55:27 Exactly.
0:55:28 He could read the Cheesecake Factory menu.
0:55:29 He could read your next book.
0:55:33 And I would listen to it.
0:55:34 So that’s exciting.
0:55:38 Like I’m very excited to like, I think you and I both enjoy this idea of like moon shots
0:55:39 around, you know, science.
0:55:40 Yeah.
0:55:42 Because it’s like, it’s severely underfunded.
0:55:47 And if you do get you can do a lot with very little, a lot with very little, yeah.
0:55:54 Because otherwise, this is part of why I on a lot of levels, I find it certainly as exciting
0:55:55 as the startup investing.
0:55:56 Yeah.
0:56:04 Because you have these potentially sort of history bending scientific developments or
0:56:10 discoveries that will take years and years and years to fund through traditional grant
0:56:13 writing and government support.
0:56:17 And if you are able to, I know this is not pocket change, but if you’re able to cut a
0:56:23 check quickly for, say, 25, 50 grand, the check I cut for Adam way back, maybe 10 grand.
0:56:25 That was a big check for me.
0:56:26 You can actually make a difference.
0:56:27 Can I give you an example of this?
0:56:28 You can accelerate it quickly.
0:56:29 Yeah, please.
0:56:33 So, so Dina, who’s the principal investigator at UCSF around Clotho, I had a conversation
0:56:39 with her and I said, Hey, what’s the study that you want to do right now on Clotho that
0:56:43 would take you, you know, a year or so to get the grants and like, blah, blah, blah.
0:56:46 And she’s like, Oh, I got this one that, you know, I want to, I want to kind of look downstream
0:56:49 a little bit further and we can tag Clotho and see where it goes and all this stuff.
0:56:50 And I’m like, what does that cost?
0:56:55 And she’s like 50 K as like, Holy shit, I’m like, do you have the researchers ready
0:56:56 to go?
0:56:57 She’s like, I can start this tomorrow.
0:57:00 I donated some stock that were these little tiny distributions that I’d received over
0:57:01 time.
0:57:04 And I just donated stock to her, to UCSF.
0:57:08 And now she has the funding and she already started the study, like a week and a half
0:57:09 later.
0:57:11 And it’s like, I know that’s a lot of money to a lot of people.
0:57:14 So please like, I’m not trying to flex here on the cash side, but I’m just saying like,
0:57:20 even a thousand dollars, sometimes if you get to know these researchers, are you here
0:57:25 about something on a TS podcast or your podcast where you’re like, wow, that’s great science
0:57:26 being done.
0:57:27 You can call them up.
0:57:31 You can email them and say, Hey, how can I contribute a hundred dollars here?
0:57:35 And oftentimes it can be tax deductible depending on the organization and like, Oh, almost always.
0:57:36 Yeah.
0:57:37 Almost always tax deductible.
0:57:38 Yeah.
0:57:44 And I will say this doesn’t have to be a super high concept doing the greatest good for the
0:57:54 greatest number of people motivation, it can be, but it is so exciting and gratifying to
0:58:01 catalyze science that could, I think without making it sound too exaggerated, I mean, change
0:58:05 the world literally in the case of say a cloth, though, and the fact that you can expedite
0:58:13 it for relatively, you know, the cost of a car is, is nuts.
0:58:22 So my mom now sometimes sadly thinks my sister is her mom and she has dementia and it’s not
0:58:23 thankfully it’s not Alzheimer’s.
0:58:28 So we’ve, we’ve been with this for about seven years now and you know, we’re going to put
0:58:29 this in humans in a year and a half.
0:58:35 My mom’s turning 84 in a few weeks and it’s like, I don’t know, there’s a chance we get
0:58:39 this in in a couple of years and we get some more great memories back.
0:58:42 We get a little bit more of like, I can’t guarantee what’s going to happen, but even
0:58:47 just like a little bit more awareness would be beautiful, you know, beautiful.
0:58:51 So it’s like, this is what, what motivates me more than anything.
0:58:57 And we’re at an age also where it’s like almost every friend in our same cohort is having
0:58:58 this experience.
0:58:59 Oh, a hundred percent.
0:59:00 At least one parent, usually both.
0:59:04 I’m sure there’s a thousand people listening right now, starting at the end, a hundred
0:59:05 percent.
0:59:11 And it’s so painful watch, I remember watching my grandparents kind of descend to the point
0:59:16 where they didn’t necessarily recognize me or my brother or anything like that.
0:59:25 And if you could just add a few years, right, or cut down on the symptoms by 20%, it’s so
0:59:32 significant for not just their quality of life, hopefully, but also the interpersonal
0:59:33 relationships.
0:59:34 Yes.
0:59:35 And the whole family.
0:59:36 The relationships is the big thing.
0:59:42 When people go, they go, but just to have that like awareness of who is around you when
0:59:44 you do go, I think it’s just like, it’s such a huge deal.
0:59:45 Yeah.
0:59:46 What else you got?
0:59:47 I got some crazy ones.
0:59:49 I got more crazy ones, but bring some crazy.
0:59:53 So I talked to my dead dad via a medium.
0:59:54 Okay.
0:59:55 All right.
0:59:56 Didn’t see that coming.
0:59:57 Yeah.
0:59:58 Yeah.
0:59:59 I was on my list of stories to talk about.
1:00:00 All right.
1:00:01 Yeah.
1:00:02 Tell me.
1:00:03 So my tattoo artist was out here and she was like, Hey, there’s this crazy shit that
1:00:04 happened to me.
1:00:05 And I’m like, what’s up?
1:00:12 I tattooed this woman that was a medium and she gifted me a free session and I’m like,
1:00:14 and I’m like, was it crazy?
1:00:15 And she’s like, you have no idea.
1:00:18 She’s like, okay, a bunch of people.
1:00:19 So cute.
1:00:20 The toasters kind of say hi to you.
1:00:22 He’s coming to say hi to me.
1:00:25 So you know, I’m the biggest skeptic on this shit.
1:00:28 I take this as like entertainment value, right?
1:00:29 Yeah.
1:00:31 And so she was like, no, you don’t understand someone.
1:00:35 I don’t want to get into her personal details, but someone that was not directly related
1:00:41 to her, but one step removed, like of her immediate family had been shot and killed.
1:00:47 And this person came in and said, listen, I had been, this is not Google bowl.
1:00:48 You couldn’t have found this anywhere.
1:00:53 Was like, I am the person that was shot in this particular location at this particular
1:00:58 spot, like crazy scary, like really accurate.
1:01:01 And I was like, Oh my God, like, and she kept going and I’m not going to go into her personal
1:01:02 details.
1:01:04 But like enough to where I was like, give me the number.
1:01:05 And I’m like, no, I’m in.
1:01:08 You know, I want to like book this $150 session, right?
1:01:10 It’s 150.
1:01:16 And so I book it and it’s early because she’s like back East and I get up at 7am, like barely
1:01:17 have my coffee.
1:01:21 And there’s like, she goes, Oh my God, she goes, there is this person that is like beating
1:01:22 down my door to talk to you.
1:01:24 And I’m like, okay.
1:01:26 And she’s like, wait, this is what the medium said.
1:01:28 Medium said, yeah, we’re on zoom.
1:01:32 And I’m like, okay, it’s got to, it’s got to start up and please dog cosmetics.
1:01:33 Yeah, exactly.
1:01:39 They want to pitch you because it’s a great pre money valuation.
1:01:41 They only want a million dollars.
1:01:44 Like if the dog cosmetics are, it’s going to boom the watch.
1:01:49 So it’s the next day I, I’m like, okay, I’m very Google-able, you know, like I’m aware
1:01:50 of that.
1:01:51 Right.
1:01:53 And like you can find out things about my dad and stuff like that.
1:02:01 And she’s like, it’s a man, you know, he, he passed from some like heart tension in
1:02:02 my dad.
1:02:03 I have a heart stroke.
1:02:07 And I’m like, you can Google that, you know, and, and then she’s like describing all kinds
1:02:08 of stuff.
1:02:16 And even including like a fight with my mom the night before, little tiny bits.
1:02:17 So my sister did it too.
1:02:20 And we didn’t tell him we were related because my sister has a different last name.
1:02:21 Oh, nice.
1:02:23 And so with my sister, it was like, oh, he’s good with numbers.
1:02:25 He was an accountant.
1:02:29 And, and he was just like saying that, you know, he kept saying the number three.
1:02:32 Is there, and she’s like, is there a third sibling?
1:02:37 And I’ve never told anybody this, but I have a half sister I didn’t know about.
1:02:39 That’s never been on the internet.
1:02:44 And I was like, I started saw me do immediately because like, I get that it’s entertainment
1:02:49 value, but just to feel and what she said is she goes, he’s very proud of you.
1:02:54 And that just hit me like, you know, it’s like, I don’t care if it’s real or not.
1:02:55 Just to hear that.
1:02:59 And even if 2% of your body can say that might be real.
1:03:00 You immediately break down.
1:03:04 And so like snot’s coming out of my nose and shit over zoom and like, there’s no filter
1:03:05 to turn that off.
1:03:10 And like, it’s just like, it was, it was just very therapeutic, you know?
1:03:12 And I was just like, holy shit.
1:03:15 And then amount of shit that she got right was scary.
1:03:17 Did she whiff on anything?
1:03:21 Oh gosh, you know, it’s funny is like, once you start believing it, once you’re like halfway
1:03:25 in, you don’t want to ask any like questions that might get them to this confirm.
1:03:26 Yeah, exactly.
1:03:31 And so, but I got to say, like, there was a bunch of stuff where she was like your girls
1:03:36 and one of them looks a lot like your dad and has that same kind of energy.
1:03:41 And he likes to like watch them play because he thinks it’s really cute how one of them
1:03:46 is like this and like was predicting their personalities like to the T like absolutely
1:03:47 perfect.
1:03:55 So then I have Daria do it, my wife and her mom comes to her and scary accurate again.
1:03:56 Someone’s gonna be asking for this.
1:03:57 You are all I swear.
1:04:02 I’m not trying to like plug any medium here and like sell, sell medium things, but it
1:04:07 was insane dog cosmetics.com/kevco exactly like coupon code.
1:04:09 Do you have anybody that’s passed away that you’d want to talk to?
1:04:10 Sure.
1:04:11 If I could, right?
1:04:17 I mean, I’m very yeah, I mean, I’ve gone out to the edges pretty, pretty hard in my sort
1:04:25 of subjective experience or a lot of experiments, but I would say I’ve also watched, for instance,
1:04:32 there’s a documentary about the amazing Randy called an honest liar and I’ve watched documentaries
1:04:39 on mentalists and you watch say performers like Darren Brown or like how they can read
1:04:40 and like lean in.
1:04:43 I mean, the stuff they can do is it’s just like beyond.
1:04:45 I shouldn’t say it’s beyond explanation, but it’s very hard to explain.
1:04:48 They’re very convincing, right?
1:04:57 So I’m very skeptical, but if I could somehow assure myself that I had shielded them from
1:05:02 the potential of Googling things and figuring things out, right, if I could come in blind
1:05:05 like maybe the appointment to name someone else’s name.
1:05:06 And then I show up.
1:05:07 Yeah.
1:05:08 Tim Barris.
1:05:09 Then I’m like, okay, here I am.
1:05:10 Tell me.
1:05:11 I mean, certainly I’m game to try.
1:05:12 I’ll pay for your session.
1:05:15 I want you to see if this holds up for anybody else.
1:05:16 Yeah, I’ll try it.
1:05:21 And my feeling is, and this is maybe people are gonna be like, wow, Tim Ferriss is wearing
1:05:24 a tinfoil hat and we’ve lost him.
1:05:29 He’s out at sea, especially after my sort of like mimetic contagion comment earlier.
1:05:32 But it’s impossible to dispute that there’s a lot we don’t understand.
1:05:33 Yes, 100%.
1:05:37 That does not mean that these things are unexplainable.
1:05:42 It’s not invoking necessarily the supernatural per se, but there’s a lot of weird shit that
1:05:44 we can’t currently explain.
1:05:49 And so in the meantime, if we’re waiting for a scientific agreement or consensus or breakthrough
1:05:53 that is accepted, I’m happy to experiment, right?
1:06:03 As long as you have some preparation and safeguards in advance so that you’re not a mark for fooling
1:06:04 yourself really easily.
1:06:05 Well, here’s the funny thing.
1:06:11 Is she never so out of myself, Daria, my sister, she never asked for a rebook appointment.
1:06:15 In fact, my sister, she had a bunch of people that came to her that she didn’t recognize
1:06:18 and she got to my dad like a little bit later and she’s like, oh, listen, I’m so sorry.
1:06:19 This never happens.
1:06:21 I want to get I want to give you a free session for free.
1:06:22 Come back next time.
1:06:26 Like it was very weird that there was none of that like salesy shit.
1:06:28 You know, I’m always going to look out for that kind of stuff.
1:06:31 Anyway, we’ll have our times up.
1:06:32 Like cliffhanger.
1:06:33 Yeah, exactly.
1:06:34 Exactly.
1:06:37 Oh, he gave me he gave me five of the winning lottery ticket numbers.
1:06:38 Exactly.
1:06:39 Oh, sorry.
1:06:40 We’re out of time.
1:06:43 I just, you know, it was one of these random things that you just walk into in life and
1:06:44 you say yes to it.
1:06:45 It was like weirdly awesome.
1:06:51 I mean, look, I’ll give you this is like two drinks, definitely informing what I’m about
1:06:52 to say.
1:06:57 But in my experience, so I get, say, soft tissue treatment once a week, right?
1:06:58 I get like massage treatment.
1:06:59 What was that?
1:07:00 I said handy.
1:07:01 No.
1:07:02 What does that mean?
1:07:03 No dragon rolls.
1:07:04 No happy endings.
1:07:08 I’m saying just massage treatment like I have people work on because I’ve broken my body
1:07:16 so many times and there are certain people who have bizarre abilities that they cannot
1:07:17 explain.
1:07:18 Like they are just good.
1:07:24 It’s like the Reiki people doesn’t necessarily even have to be that far field from manual
1:07:25 therapy.
1:07:33 They’re just some people who have very seemingly strange abilities and they have incredible
1:07:39 track records and when they try to teach other people their method, it does not translate.
1:07:44 Like their, their disciples are unable to do what they do.
1:07:49 And I don’t know how to explain that, but like there seems to be an extreme variance
1:07:51 right between outcomes.
1:07:54 And there’s some people who are very purely secular.
1:07:55 They have their technique.
1:07:59 They can explain it and they’re effectively, you know, architects and carpenters of the
1:08:05 human body and they’re able to do some miraculous, I shouldn’t say miraculous, but like predictably
1:08:09 effective things based on their understanding of the human body.
1:08:14 Then there are people who just seem to operate on a different channel and I don’t know what
1:08:15 to make of that.
1:08:20 And any athlete like who has competed for a long time or had a lot of manual therapy
1:08:23 will have a story about someone like this.
1:08:24 Why do you say athlete?
1:08:28 Well, just because they’re closed state stuff or like, no, because they’re going to injure
1:08:33 themselves or have more, they’re just going to have more table time than an average person.
1:08:34 Right?
1:08:35 You talk to the average person on the street.
1:08:37 I mean, by and large, like when do you have your last massage?
1:08:42 Like never five years ago, two years ago, whereas if somebody is a very serious athlete, they’re
1:08:48 probably getting some type of manual therapy once every, I mean, at least once a month,
1:08:49 right?
1:08:52 If not once a week, if they’re like an Olympic sprinter or something, they’re probably getting
1:08:55 it every day or every other day or something like that.
1:08:57 Can I ask you a question that you may want to cut from the podcast?
1:08:59 Sure.
1:09:06 You told me once that during one of your ayahuasca sessions that it was either someone had spoken
1:09:10 in a different tongue that they didn’t know, or there was something crazy.
1:09:14 What is the craziest, temporary supernatural thing that you’ve ever seen in your life?
1:09:16 That’s a good question.
1:09:19 I’m going to pull out the supernatural just because.
1:09:20 Okay.
1:09:21 Natural.
1:09:22 Hypernatural.
1:09:25 I don’t think these things are beyond explanation.
1:09:30 We just lack perhaps the tools to measure them.
1:09:31 Yeah.
1:09:36 We just, we can’t currently investigate any of these phenomena in a granular enough way
1:09:38 to make it gratifying.
1:09:39 Sure.
1:09:40 Give me a couple of good ones.
1:09:41 Yeah.
1:09:42 I’ll give you some good ones.
1:09:48 I mean, so I have a decent amount of flight time, I guess we can call it.
1:09:53 I have seen on a few, now what I’m going to do is I’m going to, I’m going to describe
1:09:54 what I saw.
1:09:55 Okay.
1:09:56 I’m going to debunk it.
1:09:59 And I know you don’t lie, which is what’s awesome is like, I’ve known you long enough
1:10:03 to know that you are very, very trustworthy, like legit person, you don’t embellish, which
1:10:04 I think is great.
1:10:05 Yeah.
1:10:06 I try not to.
1:10:07 So, and I also try to cross-examine.
1:10:08 Right.
1:10:09 So, yeah, you’re very skeptical, dude.
1:10:10 Yeah.
1:10:11 Which I love.
1:10:12 It’s great.
1:10:18 So I’ve seen a few people, this is first person, speakers saying in languages that they do
1:10:19 not speak.
1:10:23 Like in tongue shit where you’re like, I can’t understand you, no, you can, no, no, no,
1:10:27 you can hear them like coherently and you speak a lot of languages.
1:10:28 Yeah.
1:10:30 So were they ever speaking a language that you understood?
1:10:32 We’re like, no, what language?
1:10:33 Spanish.
1:10:34 Well, that’s easy one.
1:10:37 They could have watched enough like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
1:10:41 these are people without any exposure or they didn’t watch Dora the Explorer or anything.
1:10:43 It’s like, they could have.
1:10:47 Or look, I’m not fluent in these languages, but like the people are like from the people,
1:10:48 Conebel people or.
1:10:52 And these were like, like Kichualamista, like, like white people coming in like, like you
1:10:53 didn’t have any.
1:10:54 They were blind.
1:10:56 They couldn’t even tell you the names of these tribes.
1:10:57 Fuck.
1:11:01 Like how many words like one or two words were like, no, we’re talking like an hour.
1:11:02 What?
1:11:03 Yeah.
1:11:04 And you’ve seen this firsthand.
1:11:05 Yes.
1:11:12 And I also have what I would consider credible witnesses, people who are hyper competent
1:11:13 in their own lives.
1:11:18 They have very effective careers, et cetera, et cetera.
1:11:24 These are not people who are just like naval gazing folks who do personal development seminars
1:11:26 every two days and don’t have a job.
1:11:34 These are these are real operators who have seen in one instance, you know, this woman
1:11:38 who ended up speaking what sounded like in tongues.
1:11:44 But there was an academic there who later was like, Oh, that was it was something like
1:11:48 ancient language or something that he could identify.
1:11:49 And he’s like, Oh, that’s a dead language.
1:11:50 He’s like, but I’ve studied enough of it.
1:11:52 He’s like, that’s what she was chanting in.
1:11:53 Is he recorded?
1:11:54 No.
1:12:00 So, so if I were to take the debunk side of this, I would say, well, everyone’s tripping
1:12:01 balls.
1:12:02 So like, let’s be honest, right?
1:12:03 Right.
1:12:06 Everybody could just be making up the like never ending story fantasy that they want
1:12:13 to, to be true because they’re trying to recapture some mystery in a world that seems
1:12:14 just like profane and disgusting.
1:12:16 And this is all of Alaska.
1:12:20 These examples are all, but it’s not, it’s not limited to that.
1:12:22 It seems to be particularly prevalent.
1:12:31 Like reports, let me be clear, not occurrences, but reports of these types of events or phenomena
1:12:34 are most widely reported.
1:12:42 It seems in cases of ayahuasca, but the format I think matters in the sense that it may not
1:12:46 be limited to ayahuasca, which is a brew.
1:12:49 It’s a combination of different plants.
1:12:53 So benasteriopsis capi, in the case of the vine, and then secotra viridis.
1:12:56 If they’re using chakruna, also another name for the same thing.
1:12:58 So it’s a bit of a cocktail, right?
1:13:00 You can think of it as an old fashioned, like there are a lot of ways to put a spin on an
1:13:01 old fashioned.
1:13:02 Yeah.
1:13:03 And depending on the brew, it’s going to be very, very different.
1:13:06 I have one the other day with a cognac and it was so good.
1:13:10 So I can tell you what is not delicious as ayahuasca, but the point I was going to make
1:13:17 is that I think the reports in part are more frequent with ayahuasca than say psilocybin
1:13:21 or more psilocybe mushrooms, let’s say, or LSD.
1:13:30 Because ayahuasca is almost by default, at least in the syncretic kind of mestizo neo-shamanic
1:13:36 formats that you see, say, in North America and at a lot of the ayahuasca tourism places,
1:13:38 it’s inevitably in a group context.
1:13:47 And so when you have a group together, the dynamic, the potential for storytelling, the
1:13:52 volume of things that you will observe from other people is just higher than if you’re
1:13:55 laying on a map by yourself, eating mushrooms.
1:14:03 So I think since that shared experience is such an intrinsic part of most ayahuasca
1:14:10 circles as sort of North Americans experience it, that it’s almost inevitable that you’re
1:14:13 going to get more reports of these types of things.
1:14:14 And who knows?
1:14:17 Maybe people are just hearing and seeing what they want to see.
1:14:22 They are ultimately considered hallucinogens, although I do think there’s more to the story.
1:14:23 That’s crazy.
1:14:24 Yeah.
1:14:25 Yeah.
1:14:29 I mean, I will say, when you’re listening to anyone talk about fucking crazy town, which
1:14:31 is what we’re talking about right now.
1:14:36 I mean, this is not to say that I’m the ultimate impeccable objective witness of reality, but
1:14:44 you just have to ask yourself, like, has this person demonstrated the ability to reason
1:14:48 and logic their way through other complicated problems?
1:14:49 Right?
1:14:53 Because if they haven’t demonstrated that and they believe in the fucking tooth fairy and
1:15:01 the spirits in ayahuasca, then you really, you don’t have a basis for judging their judgment.
1:15:09 But if someone comes in and they are demonstrably world-class in a bunch of domains, a real operator,
1:15:14 very skeptical, and nonetheless, they have these experiences and they’re just like, what
1:15:15 the fuck?
1:15:16 Yeah.
1:15:17 What was that?
1:15:18 Exactly.
1:15:19 Then it’s more interesting.
1:15:20 Yeah.
1:15:24 I had the jet Navy fighter pilot named Ryan Graves on my podcast.
1:15:25 Ryan Graves?
1:15:26 Yeah.
1:15:28 Like the Uber Ryan Graves, but the fighter pilot.
1:15:34 And he’s the one that came out and said, I saw some crazy alien ships in the sky.
1:15:38 And we talked an hour and a half for what it’s like and when the training that he does
1:15:40 and the sensors that they have in these jets.
1:15:45 And you’re like, there is nothing, like this guy’s the most credible dude on earth.
1:15:50 Like he’s a retired Navy fighter pilot, like, you know, was, there was no, like it wasn’t
1:15:51 like kick.
1:15:52 Oh.
1:15:53 Here we go.
1:15:54 Oh my God.
1:15:55 We did the corner bit.
1:15:56 Here we go.
1:15:57 What is this?
1:15:58 It is.
1:15:59 Sent some egg whites.
1:16:02 So unfortunately, egg whites, I got you.
1:16:03 Thank you.
1:16:04 Thank you.
1:16:05 His apricot look before again.
1:16:08 Oh, I like this little, this, this little close build.
1:16:09 Very nice.
1:16:10 Kevin.
1:16:11 Sorry.
1:16:12 Sorry.
1:16:13 Please.
1:16:14 Please.
1:16:15 Please.
1:16:16 Must be some, some decorum.
1:16:17 Oh, nice.
1:16:18 That’s not.
1:16:19 Oh, yeah.
1:16:20 Lala.
1:16:21 Lala.
1:16:22 Yeah.
1:16:23 Egg white.
1:16:24 Egg white.
1:16:25 It’s healthy.
1:16:26 Sure.
1:16:28 I mean, it’s basically a, basically a protein shake.
1:16:29 Yeah.
1:16:30 Exactly.
1:16:31 So to what, Kevin?
1:16:33 Uh, to, uh, experimentation.
1:16:35 To experimentation.
1:16:36 Hmm.
1:16:37 Oh.
1:16:38 That’s outstanding.
1:16:40 That’s probably the best one yet.
1:16:41 Outstanding.
1:16:42 I am going to be laying on.
1:16:43 You get on a flight.
1:16:44 You’re fine.
1:16:45 All right.
1:16:46 What do you have?
1:16:47 Do you have anything else?
1:16:48 Or do you want me to go on?
1:16:49 I got like one or two more if you want to.
1:16:50 I mean, fire away.
1:16:53 I mean, basically here, there are a few things that I can, I can recommend.
1:16:54 Just in case.
1:16:57 Yeah, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll make it fast.
1:17:02 So just in case people are looking for a couple of recommendations for things that over the
1:17:08 last few months, I have found really compelling in viewing or reading a few things.
1:17:11 So one is Jerry Seinfeld’s Duke commencement speech.
1:17:12 Oh, yes.
1:17:13 Amazing.
1:17:14 Amazing.
1:17:15 Yeah.
1:17:16 Just trust me.
1:17:17 Check it out.
1:17:18 Yes.
1:17:22 Then there’s a very old documentary that I watched again, David Hockney, the art of
1:17:30 seeing and David Hockney is incredibly well known artist, perhaps Britain’s best loved
1:17:31 living artist.
1:17:32 Art of seeing.
1:17:40 And the art of seeing really dives into through interviews, his way of viewing the world art
1:17:41 and life.
1:17:44 It’s tremendous and you can find it on YouTube.
1:17:47 You might be able to find it elsewhere, but it’s actually surprisingly hard to find in
1:17:50 terms of books.
1:17:54 There are many, many people recommended it and I had a hell of a time getting into it.
1:17:58 It took 20 or 30 pages to just suffer through the first 20 or 30 pages.
1:18:01 It is one of the most beautifully written books I’ve ever read.
1:18:02 Also probably the most brutal book.
1:18:04 It is just brutal, brutal, brutal.
1:18:05 Brutal in what way?
1:18:06 Okay.
1:18:09 So it’s called Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy.
1:18:10 And it’s been selected.
1:18:11 Yeah, you can get an audible.
1:18:12 I listened to it.
1:18:16 It was actually great narration selected by the Atlantic as one of the great American
1:18:18 novels of the past 100 years.
1:18:19 Oh, shit.
1:18:20 That was an endorsement.
1:18:24 One of the quotes from Michael Herr, I think that’s how you say it, H-E-R-R, quote, a classic
1:18:26 American novel of regeneration through violence.
1:18:31 McCarthy can only be compared to our greatest writers like Melville, et cetera, et cetera.
1:18:33 And this is his masterpiece.
1:18:42 So it’s brutal in the sense that it is set in the wild west, but the Hobbesian behavior
1:18:48 of humans and just like evil acts of brutality are just beyond.
1:18:52 Is this going to be like a Quentin Tarantino film in like 10 years or five years?
1:18:54 It would be hard to make an adaptation.
1:18:57 I think it’d be hard to sell because people would just come out of the movie theater and
1:19:00 be like, what the fuck did I just do to myself?
1:19:03 But the prose, the prose is so gorgeous.
1:19:07 I mean, this is one of those books that I listened to and I was like, I should just
1:19:09 fucking hang up my spurs and be done with writing.
1:19:12 Like this, this writing is so good.
1:19:15 This writing is so good.
1:19:16 It blows.
1:19:18 I, maybe this guy’s an alien.
1:19:22 Like he’s, it doesn’t seem conceivable to me that a human could produce this.
1:19:23 It’s so good.
1:19:24 Yeah.
1:19:28 Now I will warn you, if you listen to the audiobook in the beginning of chapters, they
1:19:32 have these random, they’re not quite random, but they’re foreshadowing snippets of different
1:19:35 phrases and it’s confusing as fuck on the audiobook.
1:19:42 So when he’s like marshmallow, tobacco, a man finds a dog hat in the wind, what the fuck
1:19:43 is happening?
1:19:46 Put that in Tarantino, like little, like slide that they put up on the screen.
1:19:48 They always put, yeah, exactly.
1:19:51 So that’s at the beginning of every chapter, but it’s outstanding.
1:19:57 If you want something that is shorter and also metaphorically quite beautiful, the bearer
1:20:03 by Andrew Krivak, I think if I’m saying his name correctly, is a beautiful story of a
1:20:07 girl and her father who live close to the land in the shadow of a lone mountain.
1:20:11 The father teaches the girl how to fish and hunt the secrets of the seasons and the stars.
1:20:14 He is preparing her for an adulthood in harmony with nature for their, the last of humankind.
1:20:16 I’ll just stop there.
1:20:18 But it’s, it’s beautiful.
1:20:20 I finished it in a handful of days.
1:20:22 It’s very short.
1:20:24 That’s a very special book, really, really fast.
1:20:26 If you’re doing documentaries, I want to throw one out there.
1:20:29 You’ve probably seen this and I just watched it again for the second time.
1:20:31 It’s called the birth of sake.
1:20:32 Never seen it.
1:20:33 What?
1:20:34 No.
1:20:35 Oh, dude, this is a beautiful story.
1:20:37 We tasted a lot of sake in Japan.
1:20:38 Yeah.
1:20:39 We went to actually like the breweries.
1:20:40 Yeah.
1:20:41 And took it right out of the spigot.
1:20:42 It was amazing.
1:20:43 So good.
1:20:48 So the birth of sake is about a like traditional handmade, like there’s only like a thousand
1:20:49 of them left.
1:20:53 Like there used to be like 4,000, like a decade ago and now it’s a thousand handmade sounds
1:20:54 like Japan.
1:20:55 Yeah.
1:20:59 And well, they’re like machines and automation and all that are like taking over.
1:21:02 And this is about, I didn’t know if you knew this, but like if you’re actually making
1:21:06 sake, you have to tend to it for about six months around the clock.
1:21:11 And so they get together in these like little tiny micro homes where they live that lead
1:21:15 their families and they just work on sake for six months.
1:21:20 And so this covers like old men, young men coming in like tradition, the handing off
1:21:26 of rains to one generation to another, you know, somebody dying like the whole thing
1:21:27 and it’s beautiful.
1:21:30 It’s this little tiny brewery called Yoshida brewery.
1:21:32 And so there’s a, there’s a great store in San Francisco.
1:21:35 I’m sure you probably remember it called true sake.
1:21:36 Remember over in Hays Valley.
1:21:37 Hays Valley.
1:21:38 Yeah.
1:21:39 So they actually bought a sake.
1:21:43 They’re called Hitori Musume, which means single daughter, which I like to this day
1:21:44 I’ve been trying to find.
1:21:45 So good.
1:21:47 So they, they actually sell this.
1:21:48 I found this sake.
1:21:49 I have it upstairs.
1:21:50 We can take a sip of it.
1:21:51 I bought it.
1:21:52 But it’s not much.
1:21:53 It’s like, it’s like $50 a bottle.
1:21:54 But it’s this little tiny family.
1:21:55 The story is beautiful.
1:21:56 It’s all 4K.
1:21:58 There’s like snow falling in like slow motion.
1:22:01 Highly recommend watching that documentary.
1:22:02 The birth of sake.
1:22:03 That’s, that’s my…
1:22:04 Amazing.
1:22:05 What else you got?
1:22:06 Okay, go.
1:22:07 All right.
1:22:09 So this is a video that was sent to me by my friend, Mike.
1:22:11 You got to watch this.
1:22:12 You got to watch this.
1:22:13 It’s called…
1:22:14 Is this some of the stuff we send to each other normally?
1:22:15 No.
1:22:16 No.
1:22:20 Not that horrific, mutually assured destruction known as our group chat.
1:22:21 No.
1:22:22 No.
1:22:23 No.
1:22:24 No.
1:22:25 No.
1:22:26 No.
1:22:27 No.
1:22:28 No.
1:22:29 No.
1:22:30 No.
1:22:31 No.
1:22:32 No.
1:22:33 No.
1:22:34 It’s called Hi-Ren, Arien by Ren, who is a musician, storyteller, lyricist.
1:22:41 It’s a combination of talent, craziness/lunacy, philosophy, redemption, and relief.
1:22:42 The lyrics are so good.
1:22:43 It’s a one-man performance.
1:22:44 All right.
1:22:45 Where he’s playing a guitar.
1:22:46 He looks like a mental patient.
1:22:52 Like he’s in an inpatient outfit, gets wheeled in, and it’s just him and a guitar.
1:22:57 And he goes back and forth playing like the light and dark sides of himself, having a
1:22:58 conversation.
1:22:59 Oh shit.
1:23:00 It is so…
1:23:01 So watch it now or no?
1:23:02 Good.
1:23:07 If you watch it too long to watch it now, you should watch it.
1:23:08 It will blow your mind.
1:23:09 All right.
1:23:10 Well, link it up.
1:23:11 This is some good…
1:23:12 I love when we throw out the random links that are just like really good.
1:23:16 This one, seriously, I was like, “Oh, I’m not the only one who’s fucking crazy.”
1:23:17 Oh, that’s great.
1:23:18 Oh, that’s great.
1:23:19 Yeah.
1:23:20 Fantastic.
1:23:21 I love that.
1:23:22 We’re all fucking crazy.
1:23:23 Oh, god.
1:23:24 What a relief.
1:23:26 So that’s definitely one that came to mind.
1:23:27 All right.
1:23:30 I’ve got my last story of the day, and then maybe you have one to add on top of this.
1:23:34 So I’m taking a lot of risk here in that…
1:23:35 Tentalizing.
1:23:41 Speaking about podcasts that we don’t want to do what everybody else is doing, you know?
1:23:45 One of the things that was a complete tragedy that we can all agree upon is that Matthew
1:23:50 Perry’s passing away from ketamine overdose or coming unconscious and drowning in the
1:23:51 pool.
1:23:52 A lot of data came out recently.
1:23:53 Did you see that story?
1:23:54 Yeah.
1:23:55 It was like really horrible.
1:23:59 Like these doctors were conspiring to like give him as much as he wanted and like injecting
1:24:02 him with what would be considered to be like a general anesthesia.
1:24:03 Yeah, exactly.
1:24:04 Enough to put you out, right?
1:24:07 And like obviously you don’t want to fall asleep in the hot tub, right?
1:24:08 Doesn’t mix with water.
1:24:09 Yeah.
1:24:12 So the thing that bummed me out about that is that, you know, we talked about this before
1:24:16 about my treatment like six months ago, and I feel fantastic after that treatment.
1:24:17 But the thing that bummed me out is that…
1:24:18 Meaning intravenous.
1:24:19 Was it intravenous?
1:24:20 Or muscular?
1:24:21 Intervenous.
1:24:22 Yeah.
1:24:23 Yeah.
1:24:24 So IV ketamine treatment.
1:24:25 Yeah.
1:24:27 So I did it, you know, I did the six sessions and I was going with a really hard startup
1:24:32 and like, I, you know, feel as good as ever, which is great.
1:24:38 Since then, when we did that podcast, I’ve had, and I can’t say I’m on camera, but I’ve
1:24:42 had a household name that has built a business that is bigger than you and I have ever built
1:24:47 that would be a shock to the world that hit me up and was like, I did this and it changed
1:24:48 my life.
1:24:52 And they’ve since paid for a bunch of people to do it after them that were really suffering.
1:24:56 That person in particular was having some depression, things of that nature that was
1:24:59 treatment resistant depression was what they call it.
1:25:04 A colleague of mine hit me up and was like, I have suicidal thoughts.
1:25:09 I’m not going to kill myself, but I hate that I have them every day, you know, also a scary
1:25:10 message to get.
1:25:11 Yeah.
1:25:16 And, but, but she went and did five treatments and it’s now in full remission.
1:25:17 Yeah.
1:25:19 And I was like, this is amazing.
1:25:25 And it kills me that, I mean, obviously there are insane dangers around recreational use.
1:25:27 I’m not disputing that at all.
1:25:28 And it’s being used in clubs.
1:25:32 It’s being used all over the places that dissociated and like, I get that it’s really bad, but
1:25:37 I wanted to go out and say, if I’m going to do a different podcast on this, I want to
1:25:41 have in an expert, which I brought my doctor and her name is Dr. Jen.
1:25:43 She is Princeton train doctor.
1:25:44 Not a chiropractor.
1:25:45 Not a chiropractor.
1:25:50 No offense to chiropractors, but they tend to do the Dr. Bob, Dr. Jack, Dr. Jen thing.
1:25:54 Yeah, you don’t want a chiropractor doing this, but she’s, she’s been an ER room doctor
1:25:55 for like 15 years.
1:25:56 Now I feel like a dick.
1:25:58 I’m left to say, like, there’s some great chiropractors out there.
1:25:59 Oh, great.
1:26:00 Who do I work with?
1:26:01 But you don’t want them running your ketamine?
1:26:02 Right.
1:26:03 Exactly.
1:26:04 Yeah.
1:26:06 And she gets into that and she understood, she’s like, this is why like we need to take
1:26:07 this seriously.
1:26:08 Right.
1:26:13 And so we did the whole podcast and we take it from a very scientific point of view, talking
1:26:16 about the neuroplasticity, talking about her outcomes that she’s witnessed, blah, blah.
1:26:21 But the crazy thing that I added onto this and this is coming out in like a week or so
1:26:27 is that I actually said, okay, I will go in to demystify this and I went into the clinic
1:26:33 and I did inter muscular, which is just a shot in the arm and rocket ship.
1:26:38 I tried to stay as conscious as I could and explain the feelings as I was starting to
1:26:39 go into La La Land.
1:26:41 Are you going to share marble mouth moments?
1:26:42 Yeah.
1:26:43 100%.
1:26:44 Yeah.
1:26:45 There’s all that.
1:26:46 There’s all that in there.
1:26:49 So, but it is an anesthetic doesn’t generally help you to talk.
1:26:53 I had to stop and restart the same sentence like five times, but I would tell you the
1:26:59 reason why I did this is very simply because of my friend that was suffering from severe
1:27:04 depression that she knew me personally and she’s like, I saw you do this and I saw it
1:27:08 have a positive benefit and I went to, I am not recommending anyone to do this, but there
1:27:14 is a subset of people out there that are suffering that are seriously contemplating like horrible
1:27:19 things and I just want them to check it out and also see what a high quality clinic looks
1:27:20 like.
1:27:21 Yeah.
1:27:22 Like don’t go to the chiropractor.
1:27:23 Just look inside of.
1:27:24 I’m so sorry I said that.
1:27:25 Yeah.
1:27:26 No, but it’s true though.
1:27:29 Like let’s not say chiropractors, but people that have access to this compound.
1:27:30 Don’t go to them.
1:27:31 Like you should have a real legitimate doctor.
1:27:33 There should be a real legitimate intake.
1:27:34 There should be blood pressure cuts.
1:27:35 There should be heart rate monitors.
1:27:39 There should be all the real things that come with a legitimate practice.
1:27:41 And so I want to demystify it a bit.
1:27:42 It’s going to be controversial.
1:27:47 It’s coming out soon, but you know, I think I’m on the right side of history here.
1:27:49 I think that like this will help a lot of people.
1:27:54 It’s not for everyone, but if you’re really, really suffering and tried everything else,
1:28:00 all the exercise, all the antidepressants and you still want to do harm, like yeah, maybe
1:28:02 consider, you know, suicidal ideation.
1:28:09 I mean, there are many resources that we could recommend.
1:28:10 I mean, not doctors.
1:28:11 We’re not doctors.
1:28:12 We’re not medical doctors.
1:28:13 Yeah.
1:28:14 I almost off myself in college.
1:28:18 And if you search some practical thoughts on suicide in my name, there will be a long
1:28:20 post that will walk you through my history with this.
1:28:29 But if someone’s contemplating self-harm, serious self-harm, then I do think of all the interventions
1:28:41 I’ve seen in clinic, that’s the operative term, ketamine sessions, whether IV or intramuscular
1:28:43 are very interesting.
1:28:49 They effectively hit stop or pause on the thought loops so that you can have a moment
1:28:56 of respite to really examine what is happening and going on and take a short break from your
1:29:00 pain in the form of these thought loops that are incessant.
1:29:09 And that is also the reason why, in my opinion, you should not use ketamine outside of clinic.
1:29:14 It is too seductive.
1:29:19 It is very easy to become addicted if you have any history of using alcohol to take the
1:29:20 edge off.
1:29:23 Ketamine is like alcohol times a hundred in terms of its effectiveness to take that edge
1:29:24 off.
1:29:29 And therein lies the danger because there are severe consequences to becoming really addicted
1:29:30 to ketamine.
1:29:31 I will say this, that was really interesting.
1:29:35 I talked to Dr. Jen, who’s done hundreds of patients now, right?
1:29:38 And she goes, and I said to her on the podcast, and her defense is very interesting.
1:29:44 I said, “For me, I don’t see how anyone can be addicted to this because it’s like a journey
1:29:45 you go on.”
1:29:48 And by the time I’m done with the journey, I’m like, “Oh, my God, thank God I get a
1:29:51 few days off because you do it twice a week for three weeks.”
1:29:56 But she goes, “No, no, no, Kevin, I just want to let you know there are some people
1:29:58 that when they feel that, they feel high from that.”
1:30:03 And I’m not one of those people, thank God, but she’s like, “Therein lies the danger.”
1:30:06 And I’m like, “Thank you for correcting me there.”
1:30:10 That’s a real legitimate person that is trying to set the record straight because some people
1:30:15 can get that alcohol times a thousand and get addicted, and then they go finding street
1:30:17 sources and all that stuff.
1:30:24 But it’s a really crazy compound because in some settings, it can be a savior and a reboot
1:30:28 that people need in an outside perspective to look at themselves disassociated a bit,
1:30:31 to laugh and to take the edge off.
1:30:34 To take an observer status on their own stories.
1:30:38 I talk about that actually when they film me coming out of it, they go, “What did you
1:30:39 feel?”
1:30:40 I go, “Kevin was over here.
1:30:43 I took an observer status of that.”
1:30:49 And I was able to say, “He’s been crazy and he’s his own worst enemy.”
1:30:55 And so it’s very challenging because in some sense, this is a very dangerous compound,
1:30:57 but I don’t think we need to just throw it away.
1:31:05 No, we don’t need to demonize it. I think it’s a very powerful tool and the risk is
1:31:06 self-administration.
1:31:07 Yes.
1:31:08 Right?
1:31:09 100%.
1:31:16 And I will say I’ve seen some of the most impressive, amazing, soulful, high-functioning people
1:31:22 completely derail their lives using ketamine and other compounds, and you just have to
1:31:27 be very, very cautious because my belief is, and I think this is a, even if it’s inaccurate,
1:31:34 I think it’s a constructive, positive belief to hold, which is everyone has a molecule
1:31:37 that will make them addictive, everyone.
1:31:41 You just don’t know exactly which key is going to fit the lock.
1:31:46 But everyone has the potential to be addicted and it’s just the right molecule.
1:31:48 So for me, I’m like, “Let’s safeguard against that.”
1:31:49 Oh my God.
1:31:50 What is this?
1:31:51 This is just a single shot of that.
1:31:52 Oh, that great whiskey.
1:31:53 They’re the great tequila.
1:31:54 Thank you.
1:31:55 All right.
1:31:56 Thank you.
1:31:57 Thanks so much.
1:32:01 I love that text, it was from like 20 minutes ago.
1:32:02 Thank you.
1:32:03 That’s near the best, man.
1:32:04 Thanks, man.
1:32:06 Pickstudio.ai for Tim and Speedos.
1:32:07 Can you pull it?
1:32:08 Did you already pull that?
1:32:09 I pulled it up.
1:32:10 Oh, so good.
1:32:11 Amazing.
1:32:12 Crazy.
1:32:13 I mean, it looks just like him.
1:32:14 It does look just like him.
1:32:16 What’s the story of the snake through the skull on your forum?
1:32:17 It’s traditional.
1:32:18 I like it.
1:32:19 There’s no stories, man.
1:32:20 All right.
1:32:21 There’s no stories.
1:32:22 It’s just beautiful.
1:32:23 All right.
1:32:24 You know what?
1:32:25 I stand corrected.
1:32:26 Oh, yeah.
1:32:29 Like the monkey in the hat with the cigar.
1:32:31 That looks pretty traditional, too.
1:32:32 How about this little baby?
1:32:35 Oh, look at like the CCP baby with the boxing gloves.
1:32:37 Yeah, who knows?
1:32:38 Addison’s the best.
1:32:39 Thank you so much.
1:32:43 Did you guys talk about like just what happened last week or two weeks ago with like Flux
1:32:44 and the model?
1:32:45 Well, I didn’t mention Flux.
1:32:48 So there was a new model that came out.
1:32:49 Addison, you get to do the cheers.
1:32:50 What should we cheers to?
1:32:53 To our girlfriends in our lives.
1:33:03 May they never meet, as it says, future tense for me, but you know, a boy can dream.
1:33:07 So just to give the round out of the 30 seconds, Addison, you switched to a new model called
1:33:08 Flux.
1:33:11 Yeah, everyone knows about it, like that’s deep in the A.I. space.
1:33:12 Yeah, this is the new A.I.
1:33:13 shit.
1:33:17 What’s really crazy is so you guys brought up, should we get him a mic?
1:33:18 Yeah.
1:33:19 Yeah.
1:33:20 You’re talking to this mic.
1:33:21 Neal down for a sec.
1:33:22 Take a knee.
1:33:25 Tell us about Flux, because the pictures of Tim are insane.
1:33:28 Why are they better now than they were three months ago?
1:33:33 Well, you guys originally brought up a prom tent like maybe two years ago now, or maybe
1:33:34 a year and a half ago.
1:33:38 It was like on like in December of 2020, 2020, you look good.
1:33:39 That’s not even A.I.
1:33:40 I do.
1:33:41 That’s like that’s our trip to Mexico.
1:33:44 Yeah, that’s just that’s just Mexico, you know?
1:33:49 No, so you guys brought it up and you were making all these theories about what’s going
1:33:56 to happen with A.I. and really like just the models just keep getting better and the prompts
1:33:59 are kind of still saying still saying complicated.
1:34:04 And so essentially there was a team at stable diffusion or stability A.I.
1:34:10 Those folks left and basically started another opens open source model and this thing is
1:34:15 competing with mid journey and it’s all open source and it launched and that like the day
1:34:19 or the couple of days after it launched everyone was saying like you won’t be able to find
1:34:23 tuning won’t be able to like train like basically these lawyers and things like that 24 hours
1:34:24 later.
1:34:30 I was like actually you can and sounds like it’s just insane and and it takes very little
1:34:31 effort.
1:34:32 We’ll put a bunch of these up.
1:34:33 They’re nuts.
1:34:34 Let me ask you a question on this.
1:34:36 Also, I feel like we’re going to put these up and then people are going to meet me in
1:34:40 person and be like, well, on this, you really let yourself go hold on this picture of Tim
1:34:46 with with the red speedo type stuff.
1:34:47 Nice nice one again.
1:34:48 Tim’s good side.
1:34:52 How could you say I want him in a black jacket here, red, red pants?
1:34:53 Yeah, yeah.
1:34:54 So just sit on.
1:34:57 You just sit on Kevin’s lap if you want.
1:35:02 I’m not saying that’s hot, but if the boner police were around, I’d demand a lawyer.
1:35:03 That’s definitely staying in.
1:35:14 I’m going to have to catch up.
1:35:17 Oh, God, you’re kneeling on his fleshlight.
1:35:28 The way I’ve seen this sort of working like in a way that is actually usable, which is
1:35:31 what I keep telling people is how many times have you taken headshots where you just need
1:35:35 them for me to either LinkedIn or show that you’re working on.
1:35:39 It’s just like a really, I mean, that’s, yeah, I’d hate to be dating right now.
1:35:40 Yeah, me too.
1:35:44 But you can do anything really essentially like what we’re trying to do is figure out
1:35:46 what kind of photos people want.
1:35:49 Wait, wait, wait, wait, go to the website for a second.
1:35:50 What’s the tagline?
1:35:52 Pro portraits created with the eye.
1:35:53 There we go.
1:35:54 A whole bunch of stuff.
1:35:57 And these are actually old ones because we’re we’re sort of piloting this right now.
1:35:58 There’s a different portrait.
1:36:01 Those are old versions of our portraits.
1:36:06 But I see it less being, hey, I want to be riding an elephant going, you know, crazy.
1:36:11 It’s more like I used to take portraits every year with my buddy Nate Taylor, who took your
1:36:13 portraits back in the day.
1:36:16 And we’d have to spend like a day or two taking these photos and like, he doesn’t want to
1:36:17 do it.
1:36:18 I don’t want to do it.
1:36:20 He’s going to take a thousand photos and maybe one looks good.
1:36:24 And it’s like, this is just going to get it right right away.
1:36:27 So it’s just it’s realistic way of getting a great portrait.
1:36:28 I love it.
1:36:29 You can do whatever.
1:36:30 Like I absolutely did that.
1:36:39 And that’s going to my my library, your private stash book, bookmarks, tax returns, 2011.
1:36:41 I think I’m going to make it only fans for Tim.
1:36:45 I’m going to make it only fans for Tim based solely on this AI model.
1:36:46 I love that.
1:36:47 And he’s the he’s the best.
1:36:48 He’s always dabbling.
1:36:51 Like this is a one person startup that he did.
1:36:52 I love that.
1:36:53 Yeah, I know.
1:36:54 It’s dabbling.
1:36:56 The dabbling is where you find things to double down on.
1:36:57 Yes.
1:36:58 Right.
1:37:00 That’s that’s where it all where it’s where all the magic happens.
1:37:01 A hundred percent.
1:37:02 All right.
1:37:03 I’m out of good stories.
1:37:04 You got anything else?
1:37:05 Good stories.
1:37:08 I think I’ve covered most of it on my list.
1:37:10 I’ll mention a few things.
1:37:13 There’s a children’s book for adults.
1:37:14 You’re right.
1:37:15 You said children’s.
1:37:16 Children’s.
1:37:17 Yeah.
1:37:18 Children’s.
1:37:19 Children’s.
1:37:20 Children’s.
1:37:21 Children’s.
1:37:22 Yes.
1:37:23 Okay.
1:37:24 Maybe it’s Long Island coming.
1:37:25 I don’t know.
1:37:26 That’s what I say.
1:37:27 It’s called “The Tequila Coming Out.”
1:37:28 Oh Lordy.
1:37:32 It’s called “The Well of Being” by Jean-Pierre Weyl.
1:37:35 I guess if you’re going to say it in German.
1:37:36 All right.
1:37:39 And this has made an impact on me.
1:37:40 It’s a beautiful book.
1:37:41 It’s very easy to read.
1:37:44 You could read it with your kids.
1:37:48 And the couple who introduced me to this are one of the most thoughtful, present and
1:37:53 playful couples I know, F and K. Thank you for all of this.
1:37:57 And it infused, you know, they’ve also infused the raising of their daughters with the ethos
1:37:59 of this book in a way.
1:38:00 So here’s the description.
1:38:04 “The Well of Being” from Jean-Pierre Weyl is an illustrated inquiry into the art of
1:38:09 happiness and what it means to be radically alive in our daily moments.
1:38:10 I’ll stop there.
1:38:11 It’s a long description.
1:38:12 It’s out of print.
1:38:13 I’m on Amazon right now.
1:38:14 It’s out of print.
1:38:15 Is it really?
1:38:16 Yeah.
1:38:17 And so I had to just buy a used copy.
1:38:18 Buy a used copy.
1:38:19 It’s a beautiful book.
1:38:20 Okay.
1:38:26 I’ve been asking myself a lot and you can find this more elaborated upon on my blog.
1:38:31 It takes two or three minutes, but don’t freak out because the first few paragraphs
1:38:37 of the blog post, but it’s a strong metaphor and the question is, are you hunting antelope
1:38:38 or field mice?
1:38:43 And I’ve been thinking about this with the podcast as well as with respect to next projects,
1:38:44 how I choose next projects, right?
1:38:48 Because all we have is our energy and time.
1:38:52 And if you spend it in one place, you can’t spend it in another.
1:38:56 And this particular question, people can look it up for the history.
1:39:05 But are you hunting antelope or field mice is a reference to sort of the metaphor of
1:39:06 the lion.
1:39:12 Like a lion can survive on field mice, but it’s going to ultimately be very, very, very,
1:39:16 very, very over busy and it’s going to burn more calories than it earns through hunting
1:39:17 field mice.
1:39:23 And don’t be skinny, but like pick a big, it would be skinny if it was, would be skinny.
1:39:24 Yeah.
1:39:28 But pick a big audacious goal that can feed you for a long time.
1:39:29 Right.
1:39:35 So as you’re being busy, quote unquote, like, are you hunting field mice or antelope?
1:39:37 Can I challenge that for a second?
1:39:38 Challenge.
1:39:45 So if you’re hunting field mice, I’m assuming that’s easier prey, easier to get, probably
1:39:49 gives you more time to like sit with who you are.
1:39:50 Watch Netflix.
1:39:54 Like the one thing that struck me about today and I just like, let’s have a little real
1:39:55 talk for a second.
1:39:56 Oh, wow.
1:39:57 Oh God.
1:39:58 Coming to Jesus moment.
1:39:59 There we go.
1:40:00 Like you went on this sabbatical.
1:40:01 Yeah.
1:40:05 And yet you had to write a book.
1:40:06 I didn’t have to.
1:40:07 Hold on.
1:40:08 Hold on.
1:40:14 Our mutual friend who shall not be named pointed this out as well, where it’s like, can you
1:40:18 sit and just be you?
1:40:19 Or would that be too hard?
1:40:20 Yeah.
1:40:21 This is, this is good.
1:40:24 Let’s, let’s get into the fucking chewy bits.
1:40:30 So I routinely, every year, spend at least a month off the grid.
1:40:31 Right.
1:40:32 Like last October, I was gone.
1:40:33 I was in.
1:40:34 I was off the grid.
1:40:35 Yeah.
1:40:36 But you were doing shit.
1:40:37 I was doing stuff.
1:40:38 But here’s my question.
1:40:39 Right.
1:40:41 And this was in our shared text thread.
1:40:42 I basically said, okay, look.
1:40:46 So the accusation is that Tim doesn’t know how to chill out.
1:40:48 I’m like, okay, fine.
1:40:50 Let’s take that as, let’s take that as true.
1:40:55 If Tim were to chill out, what does that look like on a daily and weekly basis?
1:40:59 And one of my challenges was humans are built to be social.
1:41:02 You have a family, our mutual friend as a family.
1:41:07 There’s an inbuilt social network in that family.
1:41:09 I don’t have that, right?
1:41:12 So my, I mean, you’re a brother to me.
1:41:13 So you always have a family.
1:41:14 Yeah.
1:41:15 I appreciate that.
1:41:18 And like on a day to day basis, when I wake up in the morning, like, you know, my hotel
1:41:19 room, my house is empty.
1:41:20 Right?
1:41:21 Yeah.
1:41:22 So I need to, I need to go externally.
1:41:27 I need to travel outside of the confines of my house to find that human interaction.
1:41:28 Sure.
1:41:35 So the question is like, okay, well, if you could write the script, what would Tim Ferris
1:41:37 chilling out look like?
1:41:38 I don’t know what that would look like.
1:41:39 What would it look like?
1:41:40 Oh, it’s very simple.
1:41:41 All right.
1:41:42 That’s the best answer for you ever.
1:41:43 Oh boy.
1:41:44 No script.
1:41:48 That sounds like some fucking fortune cookie stuff that I can’t make sense of though.
1:41:49 What does that mean?
1:41:52 I know you can’t make sense of it, but that’s the point.
1:41:53 It’s no script.
1:41:54 When have you done that?
1:41:58 When I did my meditation retreats, when I do, there’s no script.
1:42:00 Oh, but you had a, you had a schedule for the, for each day.
1:42:01 Sure.
1:42:04 But like, I think it was like an intensive, the silent retreat where you’re meditating
1:42:05 hours a day.
1:42:09 Like, okay, I suffer from the same thing you do.
1:42:10 I suffer from the same thing you do.
1:42:14 And that is that we can’t, we’re all friends, right?
1:42:16 We’re all fucking border collies chewing on the couch.
1:42:18 We can’t turn it off, you know?
1:42:24 And it’s like, honestly, I think the healthiest thing though, would be to wake up with no
1:42:30 agenda for a month, with no friends for a month, with the fact that you just wake up
1:42:33 saying, what is today going to bring?
1:42:36 And that is damn fucking hard for people that are driven like you and me are.
1:42:38 So I did that for almost a month last October.
1:42:41 And just some psychedelics during that time and shit.
1:42:42 Come on.
1:42:43 Towards the end.
1:42:47 But in that particular case, I mean, I’ll just say that I don’t think humans are built
1:42:48 for isolation.
1:42:49 Agreed.
1:42:55 And there is a fetishizing of self-sufficiency and independence in the U.S. that I think
1:42:57 is unhealthy.
1:42:59 It exists in other places for sure.
1:43:04 But if you look at our evolutionary biological, like our biological programming, completely
1:43:05 refutes that.
1:43:06 Right?
1:43:10 It is to be exiled, to be excluded from the group, is effectively.
1:43:11 A hundred percent.
1:43:12 Right?
1:43:15 I’m not arguing that, but I’m arguing is like, what if you couldn’t touch a pen or a computer
1:43:16 for a month?
1:43:17 Yeah.
1:43:18 I shoot arrows.
1:43:19 Or bow.
1:43:20 Yeah.
1:43:21 Yeah.
1:43:25 I do think, and I can’t remember the particular attribution of this.
1:43:27 Man, I wish I could really remember it, but.
1:43:28 Ron Jeremy?
1:43:29 The hedgehog?
1:43:30 No.
1:43:31 It was.
1:43:32 It was someone else.
1:43:38 But it was basically like man finds leisure through the, through the switching from one
1:43:43 activity to another, like one compelling activity to another, something along those lines.
1:43:47 And I wish I had the exact quote and the attribution, but I don’t.
1:43:49 And this, this applies obviously across gender.
1:44:01 But the point being that I’m not convinced that being idle is a fruitful goal to have.
1:44:05 If you can’t sit with yourself for five minutes, that’s a problem.
1:44:06 Yeah.
1:44:07 Right.
1:44:09 But different people have different constitutions.
1:44:11 And for me, for instance, right?
1:44:16 If you look at the four hour work week, okay, so I get rid of, not get rid of, but I automate
1:44:17 my whole business, blah, blah, blah.
1:44:18 What do I do?
1:44:21 I end up doing tangos, like six to eight hours a day, right?
1:44:29 That was not done from a position of obligation or fear, it was done from a place of like
1:44:32 enthusiasm and excitement and love.
1:44:33 That’s different.
1:44:38 And that I think is good medicine, right?
1:44:44 So as long as I have the self-awareness to distinguish between something that is done
1:44:53 from a place of fear or guilt or prestige, hunger or responsibility or some nebulous
1:44:59 obligation versus the things that enliven me, I think being active is fine.
1:45:01 As long as I land in the latter category.
1:45:02 Yeah.
1:45:03 Right?
1:45:07 Like for instance, like I’m doing a lot of archery right now and I fucking love it.
1:45:11 Like I am so fed by it and I’m not saying I’m the world’s best.
1:45:18 I certainly am not, but I just find it so meditative and but can I ask you one question?
1:45:22 You can ask me three questions to be like, okay, so one of the things I’m really curious
1:45:29 about is like Tim, like I, I, I respect you so much because of how I’ve watched you dissect
1:45:34 and you know, assimilate like information like no other human I’ve ever seen on earth
1:45:42 and you are able to learn and pick up and go deep on any topic within a matter of minutes
1:45:46 or hours or weeks, you know, like you do that quite well.
1:45:52 The one thing that is the rounding out of the holistic picture of Tim that I’m curious
1:46:02 if you could ever tap into is the Tim that says I can just be without having to go for
1:46:09 those things or having to engage in that type of thinking, you know, that type of like pursuit,
1:46:15 that type of analyzing, you know, I, I, Daria, my wife is, she’s a PhD in neuroscience and
1:46:21 I oftentimes get engaged in intense debates with her about this where I’m just like, chill
1:46:22 the fuck out.
1:46:23 Okay, good.
1:46:24 I’ll cut back.
1:46:25 Daria, don’t listen this far.
1:46:33 So, but I’m just like, you know, I’m like, I’m like, I wish, I wish with all my friends
1:46:37 balance and I think of the, where our mutual friend was trying to get to is like, might
1:46:44 you find, might you find a little bit more of that side of the house because you have
1:46:45 the other in spades?
1:46:46 Yeah.
1:46:47 Yeah.
1:46:48 It’s a good question.
1:46:49 I mean, I’ll sit with it.
1:46:51 I think the balance can come in a lot of different forms, right?
1:46:53 So the, the balance is time bound, right?
1:46:57 In the sense that is it balanced on a daily basis?
1:46:58 Is it on a weekly basis?
1:46:59 You analyzing it though, too?
1:47:00 No, hold on, hold on.
1:47:01 No, it’s not.
1:47:06 It’s, it’s finding the right conceptual framework through it to think about it.
1:47:07 And I don’t think that’s a mistake.
1:47:11 I think it’s actually very helpful, depends on how your mind works, right?
1:47:16 For me though, it’s like, if I’m super intense for a month and I’m going 10 out of 10 and
1:47:23 then I’m zero out of 10 for a month, like that equates to kind of a five five, right?
1:47:28 That’s for me a certain degree of balance, but it’s not, if you looked at it on the
1:47:32 minute to minute hour to hour day to day, it would look very lopsided.
1:47:36 I know a fantastic app that I would love to build for you, which would be like the Tim
1:47:37 Tim random app.
1:47:40 And like you open it up every morning and it tells you what to do for a month and it’d
1:47:42 be like today, it’s like, what the fuck is this?
1:47:47 And you’d be like, oh, I have to buy a slip and slide and go down it 20 times.
1:47:51 Like, you know, just like something where it’s just like throwing you completely out
1:47:54 of your like, and you’re like, wow, I didn’t have to think about it.
1:47:56 I didn’t have to overanalyze it.
1:47:58 It’s just a fucking thing I’m going to do.
1:48:01 Well, this is, this is part of the curse of the entrepreneur.
1:48:05 But it’s also, but I’m just saying, you know, exactly what I’m talking about, we’ve talked
1:48:12 about this, but also at the same time, these are your mics, but also at the same time,
1:48:17 I will say that like, when you introduce another partner, it’s the dance that’s fucking hard,
1:48:18 right?
1:48:19 Yeah.
1:48:24 Because Daria is very much about like structure and shit where I’m just Daria and I very similar.
1:48:25 Very similar.
1:48:26 Super similar.
1:48:27 Yeah.
1:48:28 Love you Daria.
1:48:29 She’s, you with hair.
1:48:30 You’re the best.
1:48:31 Yeah.
1:48:32 Kevin doesn’t know what he’s doing.
1:48:33 She has a better body.
1:48:34 No offense.
1:48:35 I mean, you look at my AI.
1:48:36 Her ass is bad.
1:48:37 Speed it up.
1:48:38 I mean, I’m sorry.
1:48:39 We gotta shut this up.
1:48:40 You gotta catch the point.
1:48:41 Okay.
1:48:46 Thank you everyone for tuning in to the show.
1:48:47 Great to see you buddy.
1:48:48 I love you brother.
1:48:49 Yeah.
1:48:50 I love you too, man.
1:48:51 It’s always good to hang out with you.
1:48:56 I seriously like, I wish we could be in the same city for more than like a day or two
1:48:57 at a time.
1:48:58 Yeah.
1:48:59 Seriously.
1:49:00 100% are good.
1:49:01 So if we can talk Daria to move in Austin, I would be dead.
1:49:02 Seriously.
1:49:03 We’ll figure it out.
1:49:04 We’ll figure it out.
1:49:05 Good to see you buddy.
1:49:06 All right.
1:49:07 All right, man.
1:49:08 Peace.
1:49:09 See you guys.
1:49:10 Thanks for tuning in.
1:49:11 Images of me and my speedos and all that.
1:49:12 Good jazz.
1:49:13 Go to TimedUpLog/podcast.
1:49:14 Yes.
1:49:16 And check out my Kevin Rose episode at KevinRose.com.
1:49:17 There we go.
1:49:18 KevinRose.com.
1:49:19 All right, everybody.
1:49:20 Peace.
1:49:20 Take care.
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