What Jane Goodall’s Life Teaches About Courage, Curiosity, and Care

0:00:15 it’s october 1st 2025 and today the world lost one of its most remarkable people
0:00:24 dr jane goodall she was a friend a hero and a guest on this podcast she was in fact our very
0:00:31 first guest if you look at our album cover that is her looking for lice in my hair a la her beloved
0:00:40 chimpanzees jane was many things to me and to the world in her honor we are replaying the two episodes
0:00:48 that jane recorded listening again you will hear her wisdom her courage and her unshakable hope
0:00:54 the last time i saw jane was at her birthday party about a year ago in san francisco
0:01:02 she had been on the road for something like 300 days that year i said jane do you want to take a rest
0:01:10 take it easy come stay at our house no one will ask you for autographs no photos just rest she looked at
0:01:20 me and she said guy i cannot rest there is too much to do this is who jane goodall was tireless
0:01:27 relentless unwavering in her belief that every person can make a difference and that we must make
0:01:34 a difference the world will not be the same without her but her spirit her mission and her example will
0:01:42 endure if anybody deserves to rest in peace it is jane please join me in honoring her life and listening
0:01:50 to the conversations we shared together rest in peace jane goodall the world is better because you walked
0:01:59 among us and gave us all hope this is the first episode with jane it played in 2019
0:02:08 hello this is guy kawasaki welcome to remarkable people you were listening to the inaugural episode
0:02:14 believe it or not i’ve never been on this side of an interview i love the concept of go big or go home
0:02:22 so i wanted to unveil my podcast with a truly remarkable person who could be better than jane goodall
0:02:36 that was goodall doing her chimp impersonation goodall is a scientist conservationist peacemaker and
0:02:43 educator she wrote the book on chimpanzees and the relationship with humans she’s redefined our
0:02:49 understanding of animals for the past 60 years i met her because ronit whitman levy the producer of the
0:02:57 tedx salon in palo alto asked me to interview her on stage in september 2018 being asked to speak at a
0:03:04 tedx event is an honor to interview jane goodall at a tedx event is life-altering i love jane goodall
0:03:10 i love her wit i love her passion i love her love of our blue marble i love her spirit i love her
0:03:16 fearlessness i love her energy i love that she skipped a bachelor’s degree and skipped a master’s degree and
0:03:23 went straight for a phd i love that my kids think i’m cool because i know her can i tell you how i
0:03:31 really feel in this podcast she explains the influence of her mother of education of secretarial skills and
0:03:37 why the earth would be better without humans have you wondered what animal goodall would like to be in
0:03:44 her next life keep listening and you’ll find out i’m guy kawasaki this is the remarkable people podcast
0:03:47 and now here’s jane goodall
0:03:56 i was born in london and then for some reason my father wanted me and my sister to grow up speaking
0:04:04 french i don’t know why so he rented a house in le touquet and i was five and she was one
0:04:10 three months after we got there the war broke out so that was the end of learning french i didn’t learn
0:04:18 anything yeah and then went to my mother’s mother my grandmother in bournemouth that’s where i grew up
0:04:24 that’s where i used to roam on the cliffs with my dog and that’s where i watched the birds and the
0:04:32 squirrels red dog to do little and was you know i wish i could have a parrot to teach me animal language
0:04:39 and i pretended when i was eight i pretended to all my friends that i could understand i interpreted the
0:04:46 dogs barking and the cats meowing and the birds singing they believed me and then when i was 10
0:04:52 i used to save up my few pennies of pocket money we had very little money my father had joined up as
0:05:00 soon as the war began and i saved up these few pennies and i found a second-hand bookshop because
0:05:07 we didn’t have tv back then there was radio but no tv and i don’t think the radio talked about animals
0:05:15 at all i’m sure it didn’t it was building up for war and you know so in this little bookshop i found a small
0:05:23 volume called tarzan of the apes just had enough money for it read it from cover to cover fell
0:05:29 passionately in love with the lord of the jungle and was really peeved when he married the wrong jane
0:05:37 so you know i knew that that there wasn’t a tarzan but that’s when my dream began i will grow up go to
0:05:43 africa live with wild animals and write books about them so everybody laughed at me how would i do that
0:05:50 there was a war on africa was far away we didn’t have any money and i was just a girl only my mother
0:05:56 said if you really want something like this you’ll have to work really hard take advantage of opportunity
0:06:02 but don’t give up and i’ve taken that message all around the world particularly to young people
0:06:09 in disadvantaged communities and i wish mom was alive to know how many people have come up to me
0:06:16 and said jane i want to thank you because you taught me that because you did it i can do it too
0:06:23 growing up in world war ii what was that effect upon you i think it had a very major effect and i think
0:06:32 you know it was horrible and people we knew were being killed but at the same time it taught me not to
0:06:38 take anything for granted food was rationed clothes were rationed everything was rationed so you you
0:06:45 didn’t waste you made use of every scrap of food and you know we didn’t have much money either
0:06:52 so today young people take things for granted they take it as a right that they have this that and the
0:07:00 other it’s not their fault and yet how shocking to think that even in the wealthiest countries there are
0:07:07 people living below the poverty line so you know it’s it’s there’s something really wrong with us
0:07:15 you haven’t mentioned formal education how far did you go i was always did well at school came up very
0:07:22 close to the top and i was still going out i went to a riding school and because i volunteered to clean
0:07:29 the harness they they let me ride the horses and i worked on the farm but even so i came
0:07:36 second or third in the exams and they should have gone to college my friends all did but we couldn’t
0:07:41 afford it and back then you couldn’t get a scholarship unless you were good in a foreign language
0:07:48 that wasn’t and so there was just enough money for a secretarial course really boring
0:07:56 shorthand typing the old-fashioned typewriter where you had to bang down bookkeeping all of which i detested
0:08:03 but i got my diploma and got a job in london and then the opportunity came when a school friend wrote
0:08:09 and asked me if i’d go for a holiday to kenya where her parents had moved and had a farm
0:08:13 and of course i couldn’t save money with my job in london
0:08:18 so i went home and i worked as a waitress and it’s very hard work
0:08:24 and took about six months to save up enough for a return there to africa
0:08:30 back then no planes going back and forth i think there were a few but they were really expensive
0:08:38 so i went by boat and uh so the first place i set foot on africa soil was cape town
0:08:45 which i loved until i asked the friends my mother had there what does this writing mean in africa
0:08:52 and slicks blonde white people only and then i wasn’t brought up that way my grandfather was an
0:08:59 amazing congregational minister and we didn’t judge people by their language the color of their skin
0:09:06 their culture their religion but as human beings so i was glad when we left cape town and kenya was
0:09:12 much better it was just on the very very brink of independence from british colonial rule
0:09:19 now fast forward for me well it’s not too much fast forwarding uh richard leakey how did you get that job
0:09:26 it was actually not richard leakey richard leakey’s father lewis leakey
0:09:33 a famous paleontologist anthropologist and he was curator of the natural history museum at that time
0:09:39 so i stayed with my friend a little while and then somebody said if you’re interested in animals you
0:09:47 should meet lewis leakey so i made an appointment to see him he took me all around he asked me millions of
0:09:53 questions about all the specimens and because i’ve read every single thing i could find about africa and
0:09:59 animals and spent hours in the natural history museum in london i think he was impressed by how
0:10:08 much i knew and guess what two days before i met lewis his secretary had suddenly quit he needed a
0:10:14 secretary that boring old secretarial course there i paid off it paid off you see you never know you
0:10:21 never know and life offers you these opportunities at any rate he took me on as his secretary now i’m in
0:10:28 a world where people can answer all the questions about mammals the birds the reptiles amphibians insects
0:10:37 plants and that resulted in him allowing me to go with himself his wife one other young english girl
0:10:45 and i think about six of the kenyans every year he used to go for three months to alderby gorge which
0:10:52 is in the middle of the serengeti plains searching for the fossilized remains of the early humans that he
0:10:59 was sure he would find even though nobody believed him except his wife and it turned out they were
0:11:06 right but when i went they hadn’t found any human remains we were there for three months i think we saw
0:11:16 four marsay marani in total and it was just the africa of my dreams there were animals everywhere all you know
0:11:25 the still animals on the serengeti but back then goodness we used to see giraffe and antelopes and
0:11:32 one evening we met a rhino jillian and i we were allowed out just walking and one evening it was a young
0:11:40 male lion he was about two years old fully grown followed us for well i don’t know about probably
0:11:48 close to 10 minutes and it was a bit scary but it was exciting this was africa and i think it was that
0:11:54 evening around the campfire that leaky decided i was the person he’d been looking for to go and live
0:11:59 with and learn from not just any animal but the one most like us
0:12:27 from the outside looking in you would say well so she didn’t have a college degree
0:12:31 much less a master’s or phd and
0:12:36 you know every every parent today is trying to push their kid to get
0:12:38 all that formal education to get all that so
0:12:41 is it luck is it serendipity was it your passion
0:12:43 i mean all of the above
0:12:45 i don’t know i sometimes feel it was a
0:12:49 path laid out for me i really don’t know but
0:12:53 it was partly my mother you know encouraging me and not preventing me
0:13:01 because to allow a 23 year old girls back then we were very naive it was more like a 16 year old today
0:13:09 she let me go on my own on this boat and and i you know i just been preparing myself for this all my life
0:13:13 doesn’t mean that i just sat and learned about animals
0:13:17 i you know i had terrific fun i went to parties i flirted
0:13:21 and did the sort of things you would expect
0:13:25 but what i really wanted was to be out in a forest
0:13:27 and that’s that happened
0:13:30 can we fast forward a little more and talk about
0:13:35 how did you get the chimpanzees to trust you what did you learn about trust
0:13:42 i needed infinite patience because they ran away as soon as they saw me
0:13:46 and it wasn’t until about the fourth month of the study
0:13:50 that one of them began to lose his fear
0:13:54 i called him david gray beard he had a beautiful white beard
0:14:00 and i saw david one day and he was breaking off grass stems
0:14:03 to use his tools to fish for termites
0:14:08 breaking off leafy twigs and to make them into tools he had to strip the leaves
0:14:15 and so he was using and making tools which at that time science thought was unique to the human
0:14:17 man the tool maker
0:14:20 so that was the turning point
0:14:24 that was when the geographic agreed to continue funding
0:14:26 at first it was only money for six months
0:14:28 for an american philanthropist
0:14:32 and didn’t all the biologists of the day say that
0:14:34 that’s just wrong
0:14:36 i mean well on two levels
0:14:40 one is she shouldn’t be befriending her subjects
0:14:43 and secondly chimps don’t use tools
0:14:47 yeah there was a lot of disbelief
0:14:52 that’s why when hugo came and chimps began to lose their fear
0:14:57 people you know when i described kissing embracing holding hands patting on the back
0:15:09 swaggering using rocks as weapons different kinds of objects as tools and when hugo began filming this as the chimps began to lose their fear
0:15:15 then the scientists were sort of forced to believe
0:15:35 after two years leaky made me go to cambridge university said i would need a degree and there was no time for an undergraduate degree so he got me a position in cambridge university in england to do a phd in ethology i didn’t even know what ethology meant no googling back then no internet
0:15:46 no internet so you can imagine how i felt when i got there and many of the scientists told me i’ve done everything wrong i shouldn’t have given the chimpanzees names they should have been numbered
0:15:56 i couldn’t talk about their personalities their intellect or their minds because those were unique to us
0:15:58 particularly the emotions
0:16:09 attributing human behavior to non-human animals was an ethological sin and it was anthropomorphism but fortunately
0:16:15 i’d been taught by my dog when i was a child that the professors were wrong of course
0:16:19 we’re not the only beings with personality mind and emotion
0:16:29 and so thanks to the chimpanzees and this gradually unfolding information about their biological and behavioral similarities
0:16:34 science was forced to move out of that narrow reductionist way of thinking
0:16:39 so and then once you break down the line between us and them
0:16:44 then the chimps going to look back and say what about all the others
0:16:50 so now we know now there’s this huge excitement studying animal intellect
0:16:55 and not just chimpanzees and other primates and elephants and dolphins
0:16:55 but
0:17:02 the behavior that birds are capable of crows and ravens and parrots and probably many many more
0:17:05 they can make tools they can work out problems
0:17:11 and then on top of that you’ve got this extraordinary intelligent behavior in octopuses
0:17:15 and you know they don’t even have a sort of brain that we would recognize
0:17:27 when you see what man has done
0:17:31 do you now think the world would be better off without men
0:17:34 oh i think infinitely better off without men
0:17:38 now not um humankind or the male species
0:17:39 no both
0:17:40 both
0:17:44 yeah well if you know the women have been overpopulating the world
0:17:47 with a considerable help from the men of course
0:17:51 no um you know the problems that face us today
0:17:52 caused by us
0:17:57 you know first of all how we’re destroying nature with the pollution
0:17:59 and the fossil fuel emissions
0:18:03 and the cruel raising of animals in factory farms
0:18:05 clearing the land to grow the grain to feed them
0:18:08 using masses of fossil fuel
0:18:11 to get the grain to the animals to the abattoir
0:18:12 meat to the table
0:18:16 water that we use to change vegetable to animal protein
0:18:21 and then during their digestion they produce methane gas
0:18:26 well we do too and that’s a very virulent so-called greenhouse gas
0:18:28 the main one is co2 of course
0:18:32 and this is creating this blanket of gas around the planet
0:18:34 trapping the heat of the sun
0:18:36 now we have the climate crisis
0:18:37 which is so real
0:18:40 and was predicted by the scientists
0:18:41 years and years and years ago
0:18:43 but nobody paid any attention
0:18:46 now people have woken up
0:18:46 finally
0:18:48 some people
0:18:50 well there are people yes who say
0:18:53 i mean even even donald trump now says
0:18:55 uh yeah there is climate change
0:18:57 but it’s nothing to do with us
0:18:58 and it’s all reversible
0:19:02 let’s not go down that path
0:19:03 with donald trump
0:19:05 i’ve finished with him
0:19:07 in what sense
0:19:08 you mean he’s off the radar
0:19:10 you’re just ignoring him from now on
0:19:11 no i just
0:19:14 you know if it wasn’t so terrifying
0:19:15 it would be funny
0:19:20 how somebody like that can be head of the most powerful nation in the world
0:19:21 it’s beyond belief
0:19:24 and the uk look at the mess there with brexit
0:19:25 and we have
0:19:27 you know we have boris
0:19:29 and all around the world
0:19:31 there’s this swing to the far right
0:19:36 and environmental regulations are being tipped over
0:19:39 in you know for short term gain
0:19:42 and what about our children’s children
0:19:44 what’s the world going to be like for them
0:19:46 so when you had your son
0:19:48 you paused your career
0:19:51 well actually i didn’t stop my career
0:19:51 i had
0:19:53 my son hugo
0:19:55 who got to be known as grub
0:19:57 who was originally grublin
0:19:58 and silly reason
0:19:59 but anyway he got known as grub
0:20:01 so i was still at gombie
0:20:04 and i spent the morning
0:20:05 with the chimps
0:20:06 and the students
0:20:08 had a research station by then
0:20:11 when he reached the age of six
0:20:13 up up until then
0:20:15 he was homeschooled
0:20:16 in gombie
0:20:19 and having the most amazing life
0:20:21 but then he went home
0:20:23 to live with my mother
0:20:25 so it was like having an extended family
0:20:28 and he went to a little school in the uk
0:20:30 and he spent every holiday
0:20:31 with me
0:20:33 and visited his father as well
0:20:34 we were divorced by then
0:20:38 and so i never gave up my career
0:20:40 but at the same time
0:20:43 one thing i’ve learned from the chimpanzees
0:20:45 is there’s good mothers and bad mothers
0:20:50 and the most important thing for an infant chimpanzee
0:20:53 which i believe is important for a human infant as well
0:20:56 is for the first two or three years
0:21:01 to be surrounded by a group of people the child can trust
0:21:05 are you saying that those people don’t have to be the biological parents
0:21:05 i am
0:21:09 i don’t think it actually matters if it’s a biological parent or not
0:21:12 as long as there is that the child feels safe
0:21:14 supported
0:21:19 and we found looking back over now 60 years of research on the chimps
0:21:24 that the supportive mothers tend to raise offspring who do better
0:21:25 they’re more self-assured
0:21:29 the males reach a higher position in that male hierarchy
0:21:40 okay now let’s switch to the last big topic which is activism
0:21:43 act three in jane’s life i think
0:21:45 so first of all
0:21:48 do you believe we’re beyond the point of no return
0:21:50 i definitely think we have a window of time
0:21:51 but it’s closing
0:21:54 we are getting towards the tipping point
0:21:59 you know i think that the thing that gives me the most hope
0:22:01 it’s the young people
0:22:04 so for the last 10 years
0:22:08 gradually environmental education has crept to the school system
0:22:12 and they’ve begun to understand about things like climate change
0:22:15 and pollution and how we’re growing food
0:22:20 really sprinkling poison onto the land is not a good idea
0:22:22 so it’s on the food
0:22:24 it’s also killing the soil
0:22:27 with our artificial fertilizers
0:22:29 pesticides herbicides and so on
0:22:31 and you know the sea
0:22:32 the forest
0:22:34 two great lungs of the world
0:22:35 destroying the forest
0:22:36 burning them
0:22:40 co2 being released back into the atmosphere
0:22:41 the sea so polluted
0:22:46 it can’t in many places absorb co2 as it should
0:22:49 and so children are learning about this
0:22:54 and once we help them to become educated
0:22:55 and then we listen to them
0:22:58 and we empower them to take action
0:23:03 you know i started our roots and shoots program back in 1991
0:23:07 main message every individual makes a difference every single day
0:23:12 and unless we’re really poor we can choose what sort of difference we make
0:23:14 what we buy what we eat what we wear
0:23:17 did it harm the environment and so on
0:23:26 and every group is choosing for itself every group of roots and shoots project help people want to help animals want to help the environment
0:23:45 so it began with 12 high school students in tanzania it’s now in 60 countries and they are learning that it doesn’t matter what color your skin is or what your culture is your language your religion if you fall and bleed the blood is the same
0:24:12 and when something strikes you as funny there may be cultural differences in sense of humor but the feeling of the laughing which does us such good and so roots and shoots is becoming this family and everywhere i go now there’s young people wanting to tell dr jay what they’ve been doing to make this a better world and you know that’s the hope they’re out on the streets they’re marching now they’re making their voices heard
0:24:26 they’re making their voices heard do you look at the rise of greta as like yeah well greta’s risen because of social media without question she went viral with her one speech
0:24:55 and you know our roots and you know our roots and you know which which i would have loved to do but but yes i mean you know providing those marching children then can roll up their sleeves and actually do something because even though we are stealing our children’s future
0:25:03 i still don’t think it’s okay for a child to go up to somebody in government and say you’re doing everything wrong
0:25:14 look i’m doing my bit i’m planting trees i’m collecting trash i’m putting notices up to say don’t throw your plastic down
0:25:20 then you can go up and point a finger and say what you’re doing is wrong because you’re doing something
0:25:29 to help you’ve touched on this already so what can an ordinary person do well i think we all have these little
0:25:40 choices to make and if we start making ethical choices i mean one thing is to eat less or preferably no meat that makes a huge difference
0:25:48 and i just learned yesterday that in europe in the last i think it’s six months there’s been a 20 percent
0:25:55 drop in the buying of meat which is incredible that’s why i say i think we’ve got a window of time because
0:26:00 change is out there i see it i’ve been traveling around this world since 1986
0:26:11 and there’s a big change a big change in understanding and also people are beginning to feel we need to take action now
0:26:22 so
0:26:23 so
0:26:50 do you have any
0:26:55 um jane goodall tips for how do you get people to act how do you get people to believe
0:26:57 tell stories
0:26:59 stories of
0:27:03 what whatever supposing you’re wanting to talk about climate change
0:27:11 i tell people how i’ve stood in greenland with inuit elders who said even in summer the ice never melted here
0:27:23 this great ice cliff this was late winter and already you know icebergs were crashing into the ocean water was pouring down that ice cliff
0:27:30 i’ve met people who’ve had to leave their island homes because of the rise in sea levels meaning it was
0:27:35 not practical to live there even in high tide let alone storms
0:27:41 i’ve seen the results of some of these terrible terrible droughts with animals lying dead
0:27:42 i’ve seen the
0:27:47 terrible damage inflicted by the hurricanes and the typhoons
0:27:57 and the flooding and you know so i’ve seen it you feel it you know it and i know the planet is heating up but
0:28:00 i think if we all get together in time
0:28:06 we can at least start to heal some of the harm and slow down climate change
0:28:08 what comes to mind when
0:28:10 you think about the legacy
0:28:12 you want to leave
0:28:14 well i want a legacy to be
0:28:17 young people all around the world
0:28:19 fighting doing their bit
0:28:29 you know a different kind of mindset so that we elect politicians who will resist doing something for short-term gain
0:28:32 not give permission for yet another shopping mall
0:28:36 not give permission for yet another great highway
0:28:41 not give permission to probably go against existing legislation
0:28:46 so you can go and make a mine or logging in an old growth forest
0:28:48 we need that kind of politician
0:28:49 we need
0:28:52 businesses that are ethical
0:28:54 and
0:28:55 you know the thing is
0:28:57 this intellect which
0:29:00 makes us more different than anything else from other animals
0:29:02 chimps and everybody
0:29:05 they’re way more intelligent than we used to think
0:29:07 but we sent a rocket up to mars
0:29:10 and a robot’s been taking photos
0:29:12 we don’t want to go and live there
0:29:15 and that was supposed to be at one time the most
0:29:17 hopeful planet to take over
0:29:19 so we’ve just got this one mother earth
0:29:20 how bizarre
0:29:23 that the most intellectual creatures ever walk the planet
0:29:26 is destroying its only home
0:29:29 and there seems to have been a disconnect between clever brain
0:29:30 and human heart
0:29:35 and we’re making decisions based on how does it help now
0:29:36 short-term gain
0:29:37 rather than
0:29:40 what’s this going to do to the future of the planet
0:29:42 the future of our own species
0:29:44 my last question
0:29:49 if you could pick what animal you’d be in your next life
0:29:50 what animal would it be
0:29:52 well
0:29:54 I sometimes think
0:29:57 I’d like to be a dog in a really good home
0:29:59 but a really good home
0:30:01 because my favorite animal is a dog
0:30:05 but of course some dogs have the most terrible terrible life
0:30:08 and if I’m a wild animal
0:30:12 it’s going to depend on the level of protection
0:30:13 that I would have
0:30:16 because so many wild animals are losing their habitat
0:30:18 so
0:30:20 well if all things were equal
0:30:23 I’d probably like to be an elephant
0:30:28 I think elephants are absolutely amazing
0:30:31 chimpanzees are so like us
0:30:33 that I think of them not as animals
0:30:36 and there’s nice ones and nasty ones
0:30:37 just like people
0:30:42 this is the second episode with Jane
0:30:44 it was done in 2021
0:30:47 and it has somewhat of a checkered past
0:30:50 Jane and I did a conversation
0:30:53 on a social media platform based on phones
0:30:56 so the quality of recording is not as high
0:30:58 but Jane is Jane
0:31:01 and her brilliance will shine through
0:31:04 no matter how the audio is recorded
0:31:07 I’m Guy Kawasaki
0:31:09 and this is Remarkable People
0:31:12 this episode of Remarkable People
0:31:14 is particularly remarkable
0:31:16 because it was unplanned
0:31:18 on April 14th, 2021
0:31:21 I did a fireside chat with Jane Goodall
0:31:23 on a social audio platform
0:31:25 it turned out so good
0:31:28 that we decided to make it into a podcast
0:31:30 Jane and I were both on phones
0:31:32 as opposed to using our usual
0:31:35 squad cast podcasting recording platform
0:31:37 so the audio is not quite
0:31:39 what you’ve come to expect
0:31:40 from this podcast
0:31:43 but it’s all about Jane
0:31:44 my wonderful welcome
0:31:46 comes to you from the forests
0:31:48 and hills of Gombe National Park
0:31:49 in Tanzania
0:31:51 the sound that you would hear
0:31:52 if you came
0:31:53 some of you have been
0:31:55 but if you go to Gombe
0:31:56 and climb the hills in the morning
0:31:58 the sound of a chimpanzee
0:31:59 greeting the day
0:32:00 announcing
0:32:01 here I am
0:32:02 who’s out there
0:32:10 hello
0:32:12 bring another language
0:32:14 into your clubhouse
0:32:16 well I tell you something
0:32:18 Elon Musk could not have done that
0:32:21 well it’s a chimpanzee hello
0:32:24 I think I have some lice in my hair
0:32:25 you know I need to see you again
0:32:27 so you can pick them out for me
0:32:29 then you shouldn’t have chosen clubhouse
0:32:30 you should have zoomed
0:32:34 where are you right now?
0:32:37 I’m in the house where I grew up
0:32:38 in Bournemouth
0:32:40 in the south of England
0:32:42 it’s cold and grey
0:32:46 and this is where I’ve been for the duration
0:32:50 I’ve been grounded here since last March
0:32:53 but you still have a tremendously busy schedule
0:32:54 don’t you?
0:32:55 what are you doing every day?
0:33:00 it’s far far far busier than when I was traveling around the world
0:33:03 because when you’re traveling you go from country to country
0:33:06 when you’re in a country you concentrate on that country
0:33:09 you don’t do more than two things in a day
0:33:13 but here the world has access to me
0:33:15 I’m asked to speak all over the world
0:33:17 I do zooms and skypes
0:33:19 and now I’m doing a clubhouse
0:33:21 which I’ve never done before
0:33:24 I’m sending video messages
0:33:26 to people who need cheering up
0:33:29 or need a bit of hope or something like that
0:33:31 and then of course there’s all the emails
0:33:32 and writing articles
0:33:34 honestly
0:33:38 I can be in four different countries in one day
0:33:41 it’s clearly not easy to be Jane Goodall
0:33:44 I want you to tell people
0:33:46 I know you’ve probably told this story 50,000 times
0:33:49 but I think this story of how you
0:33:52 actually got to Africa the first time
0:33:54 is a very inspiring story
0:33:58 and has a lot of great information and lessons
0:33:59 for young people
0:34:04 well okay but you know it did begin right here in this house
0:34:07 when I was reading books about Dr. Doolittle and Tarzan
0:34:10 and dreaming of going to Africa
0:34:13 so the journey really started when I was 10 years old
0:34:16 and born loving animals of course
0:34:17 that goes without saying
0:34:18 left school
0:34:20 I did actually very well at school
0:34:22 but we couldn’t afford university
0:34:24 and so I had to earn some money
0:34:26 we had not much money
0:34:30 got a boring secretarial training in London
0:34:33 and got a job
0:34:35 and then came the opportunity
0:34:38 and that was a letter from a school friend
0:34:39 inviting me to Kenya
0:34:40 for a holiday
0:34:42 couldn’t save money in London
0:34:44 so I came home here
0:34:46 to Bournemouth
0:34:48 and got a job in a hotel
0:34:49 being a waitress
0:34:50 which was extremely hard work
0:34:53 and eventually after about five months
0:34:54 I think
0:34:55 had saved up enough money
0:34:57 for a return fair to Africa
0:35:01 and I give a lot of credit to my mother
0:35:02 first of all
0:35:03 she was the only one
0:35:06 who supported this crazy dream
0:35:07 of going to Africa
0:35:08 living with wild animals
0:35:10 and writing books about them
0:35:11 everybody else loved
0:35:13 never do that
0:35:14 Africa was far away
0:35:15 and anyway
0:35:17 I was just a girl
0:35:18 but she said
0:35:20 if you really want to do something like this
0:35:22 you’ll have to work really hard
0:35:24 take advantage of every opportunity
0:35:26 and if you don’t give up
0:35:28 hopefully you’ll find a way
0:35:29 so there I am
0:35:30 on my way to Africa
0:35:32 aged 23
0:35:34 and about 23 in those days
0:35:35 was much younger
0:35:37 than a 23 year old now
0:35:38 and most mothers
0:35:39 wouldn’t have let
0:35:41 their 23 year old daughter
0:35:42 go off on their own
0:35:44 to a far away country
0:35:46 that we didn’t know much about
0:35:47 but anyway
0:35:48 off I went
0:35:50 and it was by boat
0:35:52 because there were no planes
0:35:53 going back and forth
0:35:54 in those days
0:35:56 and arrived in Kenya
0:35:58 stayed with my friend
0:36:00 then came the amazing
0:36:01 conversation
0:36:03 where somebody said
0:36:03 if you’re interested
0:36:04 in animals
0:36:05 you should meet
0:36:06 Dr. Louis Leakey
0:36:08 famous paleontologist
0:36:10 and I went to see him
0:36:11 he was curator
0:36:13 of the Natural History Museum
0:36:15 and guess what
0:36:17 that boring secretarial course
0:36:19 well two days
0:36:20 before I met Louis
0:36:20 his secretary
0:36:22 had suddenly left
0:36:23 he needed a secretary
0:36:25 and there I was
0:36:27 so now I’m in a world
0:36:28 where there are people
0:36:29 all around
0:36:29 who can answer
0:36:30 all my questions
0:36:31 about the animals
0:36:33 and the plants
0:36:34 in Africa
0:36:37 and that eventually led
0:36:39 to him offering me
0:36:39 the opportunity
0:36:41 of going to live with
0:36:42 and learn from
0:36:43 not any animal
0:36:44 but the one most like us
0:36:46 the chimpanzee
0:36:46 with whom we share
0:36:50 98.8% of our DNA
0:36:52 the problem was
0:36:54 that the British authorities
0:36:55 because back then
0:36:56 it was Tanganyika
0:36:58 which is Tanzania today
0:37:01 and the British authorities
0:37:03 refused to take permission
0:37:04 for this young girl
0:37:06 to go off into the forest
0:37:08 it was a crazy crazy idea
0:37:09 nobody was doing it
0:37:10 men weren’t doing it
0:37:11 but in the end
0:37:13 because Leakey persisted
0:37:14 they said oh alright
0:37:15 she can come
0:37:16 but she cannot come alone
0:37:18 she must have
0:37:20 some female companionship
0:37:22 so who volunteered
0:37:22 to come
0:37:24 but that same amazing mother
0:37:27 and the early days
0:37:28 the chimpanzees
0:37:28 ran away
0:37:29 and ran away
0:37:29 and ran away
0:37:31 but after four months
0:37:32 one of them
0:37:33 began to accept me
0:37:35 so there’s the story
0:37:37 of how I got to Africa
0:37:39 and began my research
0:37:42 I think a very important point
0:37:43 is that
0:37:43 well A
0:37:44 it was the support
0:37:45 of your mother
0:37:46 that’s one important point
0:37:47 second important point
0:37:49 is you didn’t exactly
0:37:50 have a PhD
0:37:51 from Oxford in biology
0:37:53 you had secretarial skills
0:37:55 so it’s not necessarily
0:37:57 the amount of formal education
0:37:58 you have
0:37:59 perhaps more important
0:38:00 is the passion
0:38:03 and this is about
0:38:04 taking risks
0:38:05 I’m amazed
0:38:06 if my daughter
0:38:08 who I think is listening
0:38:09 said to me
0:38:11 oh I want to go to Africa
0:38:12 and I don’t know
0:38:13 what I would say
0:38:14 today
0:38:15 so hats off
0:38:16 to your mom
0:38:17 well I think
0:38:18 Africa’s more dangerous
0:38:19 today than it was
0:38:20 when actually
0:38:21 to be honest
0:38:23 it really wasn’t
0:38:23 dangerous
0:38:24 but
0:38:25 anyway
0:38:27 it was fascinating
0:38:28 and one of the things
0:38:29 that was very
0:38:30 very meaningful
0:38:31 to me
0:38:32 in the way
0:38:33 I look on the world
0:38:34 is that
0:38:34 the first place
0:38:35 where that ship
0:38:36 stopped in Africa
0:38:38 was Cape Town
0:38:39 we didn’t go through
0:38:40 the Suez Canal
0:38:40 because there was
0:38:41 a war with Egypt
0:38:42 and it was closed
0:38:44 and Cape Town
0:38:46 is wonderful
0:38:47 with that iconic
0:38:48 table mountain
0:38:49 and I had two days
0:38:50 there while the ship
0:38:51 refueled
0:38:52 or whatever it did
0:38:54 and mom had
0:38:55 a couple of friends
0:38:55 there
0:38:56 so they said
0:38:57 they’d look after me
0:38:59 and it was some magic
0:39:01 and then I saw
0:39:02 these words
0:39:03 on the back
0:39:03 of the seats
0:39:05 in the parks
0:39:06 and on the doors
0:39:07 into the hotels
0:39:10 in Afrikaans
0:39:10 so I said
0:39:11 what does this mean
0:39:12 it means
0:39:13 white people
0:39:14 only
0:39:15 I didn’t grow up
0:39:16 that way
0:39:17 my grandfather
0:39:19 was a congregational
0:39:19 minister
0:39:21 and we didn’t
0:39:21 judge people
0:39:22 by the colour
0:39:23 of their skin
0:39:24 or their nationality
0:39:26 or their culture
0:39:27 or their religion
0:39:28 but judge them
0:39:29 as human beings
0:39:31 so I couldn’t
0:39:32 wait to leave
0:39:33 Cape Town
0:39:34 it was the height
0:39:35 of apartheid
0:39:36 anyway
0:39:37 I got to Kenya
0:39:39 and it was much better
0:39:39 they were on the
0:39:40 very brink
0:39:41 of independence
0:39:42 and the same
0:39:43 when I got
0:39:44 to Tanzania
0:39:45 can you tell
0:39:46 the story
0:39:48 about how
0:39:48 you built
0:39:49 trust
0:39:51 in that
0:39:51 first
0:39:53 engagement
0:39:53 as you say
0:39:54 it took four months
0:39:55 but how did you
0:39:56 build trust
0:39:58 with the chimpanzees
0:39:58 there
0:39:59 okay
0:39:59 well
0:40:00 I used
0:40:01 the same
0:40:01 method
0:40:02 as I’d
0:40:02 used
0:40:02 on the
0:40:03 birds
0:40:03 and the
0:40:04 squirrels
0:40:04 and things
0:40:05 around my
0:40:06 home here
0:40:07 patience
0:40:08 I didn’t try
0:40:09 to get close
0:40:10 too quickly
0:40:10 I wore the
0:40:11 same coloured
0:40:11 clothes
0:40:12 each day
0:40:13 and
0:40:15 it was one
0:40:15 chimpanzee
0:40:16 David Greybeard
0:40:18 very distinctive
0:40:19 very handsome
0:40:20 and for some
0:40:21 reason
0:40:22 he was less
0:40:22 fearful
0:40:23 than the others
0:40:24 you know
0:40:24 they’re all
0:40:24 different
0:40:25 they have
0:40:25 their own
0:40:26 personalities
0:40:27 and he
0:40:28 was calm
0:40:29 and I
0:40:29 later discovered
0:40:30 that he
0:40:31 was best
0:40:31 friends
0:40:31 with the
0:40:32 top ranking
0:40:33 alpha male
0:40:36 and so
0:40:36 it was
0:40:37 during the
0:40:38 fifth month
0:40:39 just the
0:40:40 start of the
0:40:41 rainy season
0:40:42 and that’s
0:40:43 when the
0:40:44 termites
0:40:45 fly
0:40:45 the princes
0:40:46 and princesses
0:40:47 fly from
0:40:48 the nest
0:40:48 to form
0:40:49 new colonies
0:40:51 and turns
0:40:51 out that
0:40:52 chimpanzees
0:40:53 love
0:40:53 termites
0:40:55 so at
0:40:55 this time
0:40:56 of year
0:40:57 the worker
0:40:57 termites
0:40:59 have enlarged
0:40:59 the tunnels
0:41:00 to the
0:41:00 near the
0:41:01 surface
0:41:02 ready for
0:41:03 the fertile
0:41:04 insects to
0:41:05 fly out
0:41:06 and so
0:41:06 there was
0:41:07 David Greybeard
0:41:08 I watched
0:41:09 him in amazement
0:41:10 through my
0:41:10 binoculars
0:41:12 and I saw
0:41:12 him scratch
0:41:13 the soil
0:41:14 from the
0:41:15 entrance to
0:41:15 one of
0:41:16 these tunnels
0:41:17 pick a
0:41:18 long stem
0:41:19 of grass
0:41:20 push it
0:41:20 down into
0:41:21 the nest
0:41:22 pull it
0:41:22 out with
0:41:23 termites
0:41:24 clinging to
0:41:24 it
0:41:25 munch them
0:41:26 off
0:41:26 push it
0:41:27 down again
0:41:28 and then I
0:41:29 saw him
0:41:29 pick a
0:41:30 leafy twig
0:41:31 and strip
0:41:31 the leaves
0:41:33 and at
0:41:33 that time
0:41:34 western
0:41:35 science
0:41:36 maintained
0:41:37 that only
0:41:38 human beings
0:41:38 used
0:41:39 and made
0:41:39 tools
0:41:40 in fact
0:41:41 we were
0:41:41 defined as
0:41:42 man
0:41:43 the tool
0:41:43 maker
0:41:45 and so
0:41:45 when I
0:41:46 told
0:41:47 Lewis
0:41:47 Leakey
0:41:47 what I’d
0:41:48 seen
0:41:48 David
0:41:49 Greybeard
0:41:50 using
0:41:51 and making
0:41:51 because by
0:41:52 modifying the
0:41:53 twigs he was
0:41:54 making tools
0:41:55 and so
0:41:56 Lewis sent
0:41:56 back a
0:41:57 telegram
0:41:57 saying
0:41:58 ha
0:41:58 now we
0:41:58 must
0:41:59 redefine
0:41:59 man
0:42:00 redefine
0:42:00 tool
0:42:01 or accept
0:42:02 chimpanzees
0:42:02 as human
0:42:03 but it
0:42:04 was that
0:42:04 observation
0:42:05 that enabled
0:42:06 him to go
0:42:07 to the
0:42:08 National Geographic
0:42:08 Society
0:42:10 in America
0:42:11 and they
0:42:12 agreed to
0:42:12 fund the
0:42:12 research
0:42:13 when my
0:42:14 original
0:42:14 six months
0:42:15 money
0:42:16 ran out
0:42:17 and they
0:42:18 also sent
0:42:18 a photographer
0:42:19 and filmmaker
0:42:20 Hugo Van
0:42:21 Loewick
0:42:22 because by
0:42:23 the time he
0:42:24 came I was
0:42:24 really beginning
0:42:25 to learn
0:42:26 I could get
0:42:27 close to more
0:42:27 chimps
0:42:28 David Gravey
0:42:29 had helped
0:42:29 I think
0:42:30 because if he
0:42:31 was in a
0:42:31 group when I
0:42:32 approached
0:42:33 expecting them
0:42:34 to run away
0:42:34 and he sat
0:42:35 there calmly
0:42:36 I suppose
0:42:37 they started
0:42:37 to think
0:42:37 she can’t
0:42:38 be so
0:42:38 frightening
0:42:39 after all
0:42:40 because David
0:42:41 was a leader
0:42:42 they looked
0:42:42 up to him
0:42:43 and respected
0:42:43 him
0:42:44 he was calm
0:42:45 and gentle
0:42:46 let’s talk
0:42:47 about the future
0:42:47 a little
0:42:49 so what
0:42:49 what is your
0:42:50 vision for how
0:42:51 we’re going
0:42:52 to go forward
0:42:52 from where
0:42:53 we are today
0:42:54 if we all
0:42:54 know where
0:42:55 we are today
0:42:56 we’re
0:42:58 we’re facing
0:42:59 we’re facing
0:43:00 disaster
0:43:01 if we don’t
0:43:01 get together
0:43:02 and change
0:43:03 our ways
0:43:03 if we carry
0:43:04 on with
0:43:04 business
0:43:05 as usual
0:43:06 if we
0:43:07 continue
0:43:08 to exploit
0:43:09 the
0:43:10 finite
0:43:11 resources
0:43:12 of our
0:43:12 planet
0:43:13 as though
0:43:13 they’re
0:43:14 infinite
0:43:15 if we
0:43:16 continue
0:43:16 to
0:43:17 have
0:43:17 this
0:43:18 crazy
0:43:18 belief
0:43:19 we can
0:43:19 have
0:43:20 unlimited
0:43:20 economic
0:43:21 development
0:43:21 on a
0:43:22 planet
0:43:22 with
0:43:22 finite
0:43:23 natural
0:43:24 resources
0:43:25 and
0:43:26 thinking
0:43:27 in short
0:43:27 term
0:43:28 gain
0:43:29 rather than
0:43:30 long term
0:43:31 health
0:43:31 of the
0:43:32 planet
0:43:32 and
0:43:33 indeed
0:43:33 our own
0:43:34 future
0:43:35 and the
0:43:35 future
0:43:35 of life
0:43:36 on earth
0:43:36 as we
0:43:37 know it
0:43:38 so we
0:43:39 need to
0:43:39 get together
0:43:40 and somehow
0:43:41 create a new
0:43:42 relationship
0:43:42 with the
0:43:43 natural world
0:43:43 of which we
0:43:44 are a part
0:43:45 and on which
0:43:46 we depend
0:43:48 and a new
0:43:50 more sustainable
0:43:51 and greener
0:43:52 economy
0:43:54 don’t ask me
0:43:54 how we do
0:43:55 that
0:43:56 but that’s
0:43:57 what we have
0:43:57 to get together
0:43:58 and work out
0:43:59 and we
0:43:59 and we
0:44:00 are gifted
0:44:01 with amazing
0:44:02 intellects
0:44:03 so if we
0:44:03 really
0:44:04 really
0:44:06 want to
0:44:07 create a
0:44:08 good future
0:44:08 for our
0:44:08 great
0:44:09 grandchildren
0:44:10 that’s what
0:44:10 we must
0:44:11 do
0:44:11 get together
0:44:12 discuss
0:44:13 find ways
0:44:14 and it’s
0:44:14 beginning to
0:44:15 happen
0:44:15 that’s the
0:44:16 encouraging
0:44:16 thing
0:44:17 businesses
0:44:18 are beginning
0:44:19 to try
0:44:21 and conduct
0:44:21 their business
0:44:22 in a more
0:44:23 environmentally
0:44:24 friendly way
0:44:25 people are
0:44:25 beginning to
0:44:26 think about
0:44:27 their own
0:44:27 environmental
0:44:28 footprint
0:44:29 so it is
0:44:30 beginning to
0:44:30 happen
0:44:31 if I’m
0:44:32 listening to
0:44:32 this
0:44:33 and I’m
0:44:33 thinking
0:44:34 okay Jane
0:44:34 I want to
0:44:35 help
0:44:36 what can
0:44:37 one person
0:44:38 do
0:44:38 something
0:44:39 tactical
0:44:39 practical
0:44:41 not everybody
0:44:42 is going to
0:44:43 be a Jane
0:44:43 Goodall or
0:44:44 Greta Thunberg
0:44:45 so what can
0:44:46 a random
0:44:47 person listening
0:44:48 to this
0:44:50 do to help
0:44:51 quite honestly
0:44:52 it depends on
0:44:52 who that
0:44:53 random person
0:44:53 is
0:44:54 because
0:44:55 some people
0:44:56 I know
0:44:57 a number
0:44:57 of them
0:44:58 they’re making
0:44:59 a whole lot
0:44:59 of money
0:45:01 and if we
0:45:02 live to make
0:45:03 money it’s
0:45:04 it’s not a
0:45:04 very good
0:45:05 thing to do
0:45:06 unless we
0:45:07 are making
0:45:08 money to
0:45:08 help make
0:45:09 the world
0:45:09 a better
0:45:10 place
0:45:11 so people
0:45:11 like that
0:45:12 can make
0:45:12 donations
0:45:13 to
0:45:14 organizations
0:45:15 that are
0:45:15 fighting
0:45:16 for
0:45:17 conservation
0:45:17 for
0:45:18 preventing
0:45:20 the loss
0:45:20 of any
0:45:21 more animal
0:45:21 species
0:45:22 than we’ve
0:45:23 lost
0:45:23 already
0:45:24 for slowing
0:45:24 down
0:45:25 climate
0:45:25 change
0:45:26 for
0:45:27 alleviating
0:45:27 poverty
0:45:29 but the
0:45:29 ordinary
0:45:30 person
0:45:31 who doesn’t
0:45:32 have masses
0:45:32 of money
0:45:33 in their
0:45:33 wallet
0:45:35 every single
0:45:36 day we make
0:45:36 some impact
0:45:37 on this
0:45:37 planet
0:45:39 and we
0:45:39 get to
0:45:40 choose
0:45:41 unless we’re
0:45:41 living in
0:45:42 poverty
0:45:43 we get to
0:45:44 choose what
0:45:44 sort of
0:45:45 impact
0:45:45 we make
0:45:47 and a lot
0:45:48 of people
0:45:48 feel helpless
0:45:49 and hopeless
0:45:51 because they
0:45:51 think it’s
0:45:52 just me
0:45:52 the world
0:45:53 is going
0:45:54 to hell
0:45:55 in a
0:45:55 hand
0:45:55 basket
0:45:56 I think
0:45:56 that’s the
0:45:57 expression
0:45:58 and there’s
0:45:59 nothing I can
0:46:00 do about it
0:46:01 and the big
0:46:01 problem is
0:46:02 people are
0:46:03 told to
0:46:03 think
0:46:04 globally
0:46:04 but if
0:46:05 you think
0:46:05 globally
0:46:07 you can’t
0:46:07 help but
0:46:08 be depressed
0:46:09 I mean
0:46:10 it is depressing
0:46:10 what we’re
0:46:11 doing to the
0:46:11 planet
0:46:13 but act
0:46:14 locally
0:46:15 yes
0:46:16 do what you
0:46:16 can in your
0:46:17 own community
0:46:19 and whether
0:46:20 it’s thinking
0:46:21 about what you
0:46:21 buy
0:46:22 where was it
0:46:22 made
0:46:23 did it have to
0:46:24 travel far
0:46:25 using up lots
0:46:26 of fossil fuel
0:46:27 did it harm
0:46:28 the environment
0:46:29 was it cruel
0:46:30 to animals
0:46:30 like the
0:46:31 terrible factory
0:46:32 farms
0:46:33 is it cheap
0:46:34 because of
0:46:35 child slave
0:46:36 labour or
0:46:37 unfair wages
0:46:38 in another
0:46:38 country
0:46:40 and if people
0:46:41 start making
0:46:42 ethical choices
0:46:43 obviously one
0:46:44 person won’t
0:46:45 make that much
0:46:45 difference
0:46:46 but when
0:46:47 millions or
0:46:47 billions of
0:46:48 people are
0:46:48 making ethical
0:46:49 choices
0:46:50 it will make
0:46:51 a difference
0:46:52 and then there’s
0:46:53 consumer pressure
0:46:54 if a company
0:46:55 is not
0:46:56 behaving
0:46:56 ethically
0:46:57 don’t buy
0:46:58 the products
0:47:00 try and buy
0:47:02 organic food
0:47:02 that hasn’t
0:47:04 poisoned the
0:47:04 land with
0:47:05 agricultural
0:47:06 chemicals
0:47:08 and it might
0:47:09 cost a little
0:47:09 bit more
0:47:10 but honestly
0:47:11 if it costs
0:47:11 a little bit
0:47:12 more
0:47:12 you will
0:47:13 value it
0:47:13 more
0:47:14 and you’ll
0:47:15 waste less
0:47:15 and the
0:47:16 waste of
0:47:16 food
0:47:18 is absolutely
0:47:19 shocking
0:47:20 around the
0:47:20 world
0:47:21 and yet
0:47:22 there are
0:47:23 people starving
0:47:23 without even
0:47:24 one good
0:47:25 meal a day
0:47:26 this is the
0:47:27 kind of mess
0:47:27 we got
0:47:28 ourselves
0:47:28 into
0:47:29 and this
0:47:30 is the
0:47:30 kind of
0:47:31 mess
0:47:31 that we
0:47:32 must use
0:47:33 our intellect
0:47:34 and our
0:47:34 head with
0:47:35 our heart
0:47:36 to try and
0:47:36 put things
0:47:37 right
0:47:38 from your
0:47:39 work with
0:47:40 the chimpanzees
0:47:41 do you
0:47:42 think that
0:47:43 humans
0:47:45 and chimpanzees
0:47:45 have some
0:47:45 kind of
0:47:46 built-in
0:47:47 aggression
0:47:48 into the
0:47:48 DNA
0:47:48 and
0:47:49 were doomed
0:47:50 to be
0:47:50 aggressive
0:47:52 and at
0:47:52 war
0:47:54 zero-sum
0:47:54 game
0:47:55 combating
0:47:56 each other
0:47:57 the
0:47:57 reason
0:47:57 leaky
0:47:58 sent me
0:47:58 to study
0:47:59 the
0:47:59 chimps
0:47:59 is
0:48:00 because
0:48:01 he
0:48:01 believed
0:48:01 and
0:48:01 now
0:48:02 it’s
0:48:02 been
0:48:03 proven
0:48:03 pretty
0:48:04 well
0:48:04 that
0:48:05 about
0:48:06 six million
0:48:06 years ago
0:48:07 we shared
0:48:07 a common
0:48:08 ancestor
0:48:09 an ape-like
0:48:09 human-like
0:48:10 creature
0:48:11 and so
0:48:12 Lewis argued
0:48:13 if Jane
0:48:13 sees
0:48:13 behavior
0:48:14 in
0:48:14 chimps
0:48:14 today
0:48:15 that’s
0:48:15 similar
0:48:16 or the
0:48:16 same
0:48:17 as
0:48:17 in
0:48:18 people
0:48:18 then
0:48:19 perhaps
0:48:20 it was
0:48:20 also
0:48:20 in
0:48:21 that
0:48:21 common
0:48:22 ancestor
0:48:22 and
0:48:22 perhaps
0:48:23 we’ve
0:48:23 brought
0:48:24 those
0:48:24 traits
0:48:25 with us
0:48:25 in our
0:48:25 long
0:48:26 evolutionary
0:48:27 pathways
0:48:29 so
0:48:30 do I
0:48:30 think
0:48:30 that
0:48:31 there
0:48:31 are
0:48:32 aggressive
0:48:32 tendencies
0:48:33 in
0:48:33 humans
0:48:34 innately
0:48:34 yes
0:48:35 I do
0:48:36 but
0:48:36 the
0:48:37 difference
0:48:38 from
0:48:39 chimpanzees
0:48:40 who are
0:48:41 on occasions
0:48:42 extremely
0:48:43 aggressive
0:48:43 even have
0:48:44 a kind
0:48:44 of
0:48:44 warfare
0:48:45 kill
0:48:45 each
0:48:46 other
0:48:46 but
0:48:47 the
0:48:47 difference
0:48:47 is
0:48:47 that
0:48:48 we’ve
0:48:48 got
0:48:48 this
0:48:49 intellect
0:48:50 we
0:48:51 can
0:48:51 speak
0:48:52 to
0:48:52 each
0:48:52 other
0:48:52 we’ve
0:48:53 developed
0:48:53 a
0:48:54 spoken
0:48:54 language
0:48:55 we can
0:48:56 sit
0:48:56 down
0:48:56 and
0:48:56 work
0:48:57 out
0:48:57 a
0:48:57 moral
0:48:58 code
0:48:59 and
0:48:59 again
0:49:00 we
0:49:00 just
0:49:00 need
0:49:01 to
0:49:02 find
0:49:03 ways
0:49:03 of
0:49:04 living
0:49:05 together
0:49:05 in
0:49:06 harmony
0:49:06 with
0:49:06 each
0:49:07 other
0:49:08 and
0:49:08 with
0:49:08 nature
0:49:08 and
0:49:09 people
0:49:09 are
0:49:10 always
0:49:11 trying
0:49:11 to
0:49:11 do
0:49:11 that
0:49:12 there’s
0:49:12 all
0:49:13 these
0:49:13 peace
0:49:14 movements
0:49:14 and
0:49:14 everything
0:49:15 but
0:49:16 there
0:49:16 is
0:49:16 that
0:49:17 aggressive
0:49:17 streak
0:49:18 and
0:49:19 unfortunately
0:49:20 some
0:49:21 people
0:49:21 haven’t
0:49:21 learned
0:49:21 to
0:49:22 control
0:49:22 it
0:49:23 sometimes
0:49:24 in
0:49:24 our
0:49:24 language
0:49:25 we say
0:49:25 things
0:49:25 like
0:49:26 oh
0:49:26 I
0:49:26 could
0:49:26 kill
0:49:26 him
0:49:27 but
0:49:27 we
0:49:27 don’t
0:49:28 mean
0:49:28 that
0:49:29 we
0:49:30 don’t
0:49:30 mean
0:49:30 it
0:49:31 and
0:49:31 we
0:49:31 control
0:49:32 most
0:49:32 of
0:49:32 our
0:49:32 aggressive
0:49:34 impulses
0:49:34 we
0:49:34 might
0:49:35 feel
0:49:35 like
0:49:35 punching
0:49:36 somebody
0:49:37 and
0:49:37 people
0:49:37 who
0:49:37 get
0:49:38 drunk
0:49:38 do
0:49:38 but
0:49:38 I
0:49:39 mean
0:49:39 for
0:49:39 the
0:49:39 most
0:49:39 part
0:49:40 we
0:49:40 do
0:49:41 control
0:49:41 our
0:49:41 aggressive
0:49:42 behavior
0:49:42 don’t we
0:49:43 don’t you
0:49:43 think
0:49:44 I do
0:49:46 I think
0:49:46 that a lot
0:49:46 of it
0:49:47 is the
0:49:48 perspective
0:49:48 of
0:49:49 journalists
0:49:50 that
0:49:51 bad news
0:49:51 sells
0:49:52 and
0:49:53 community
0:49:53 living
0:49:54 in peace
0:49:54 is not
0:49:54 exactly
0:49:55 a headline
0:49:56 story
0:49:57 so it’s
0:49:57 very difficult
0:49:58 to truly
0:49:58 know
0:49:59 what’s
0:50:00 going
0:50:00 on
0:50:01 in
0:50:01 total
0:50:02 as
0:50:02 opposed
0:50:02 to
0:50:03 the
0:50:03 negative
0:50:04 highlights
0:50:04 I think
0:50:05 that is
0:50:05 for sure
0:50:06 yes
0:50:06 I
0:50:07 completely
0:50:07 agree
0:50:07 and there’s
0:50:07 all this
0:50:08 fake news
0:50:09 and you know
0:50:10 the internet
0:50:11 is wonderful
0:50:11 if you use
0:50:12 it wisely
0:50:13 but it does
0:50:14 lead to an
0:50:15 awful lot
0:50:15 of all this
0:50:16 hate stuff
0:50:17 coming out
0:50:18 and there’s
0:50:19 no control
0:50:19 over it
0:50:20 but when I
0:50:21 was traveling
0:50:22 around the
0:50:22 world
0:50:22 you know
0:50:23 I got to
0:50:23 meet so
0:50:24 many amazing
0:50:25 people
0:50:26 and visit
0:50:26 so many
0:50:27 incredible
0:50:28 projects
0:50:28 where places
0:50:29 that we’ve
0:50:30 destroyed
0:50:31 given a
0:50:31 chance
0:50:32 nature
0:50:32 can take
0:50:33 over
0:50:33 again
0:50:35 and life
0:50:35 can come
0:50:36 back
0:50:38 and so
0:50:40 people
0:50:41 actually do
0:50:41 want good
0:50:42 news stories
0:50:43 and I’m
0:50:44 always telling
0:50:44 journalists
0:50:45 if I ever
0:50:46 have a press
0:50:46 conference
0:50:46 or an
0:50:47 interview
0:50:48 your job
0:50:49 is to
0:50:50 give good
0:50:50 news
0:50:51 time
0:50:52 not only
0:50:53 the bad
0:50:53 news
0:50:53 and we do
0:50:54 need to
0:50:54 know what’s
0:50:55 going on
0:50:56 that’s
0:50:56 harmful
0:50:57 but we do
0:50:58 need to
0:50:58 know
0:50:59 all the
0:50:59 amazing
0:51:00 things
0:51:00 that are
0:51:01 going on
0:51:01 as well
0:51:02 because that
0:51:02 gives you
0:51:03 hope
0:51:04 and only
0:51:04 if you
0:51:04 have
0:51:05 hope
0:51:06 will you
0:51:06 bother
0:51:06 to take
0:51:07 action
0:51:08 to do
0:51:08 something
0:51:09 about it
0:51:10 if you don’t
0:51:11 have hope
0:51:11 why bother
0:51:12 it sounds
0:51:12 like you’re
0:51:13 fundamentally
0:51:14 an optimist
0:51:15 and I bet
0:51:16 people would
0:51:16 love to know
0:51:17 how do you
0:51:18 keep the
0:51:18 faith
0:51:20 in the face
0:51:20 of so much
0:51:21 that’s going
0:51:21 wrong right
0:51:22 now
0:51:24 well
0:51:25 yeah I
0:51:25 am an
0:51:26 optimist
0:51:26 and I’m
0:51:27 also a
0:51:27 very
0:51:27 obstinate
0:51:28 sort of
0:51:28 person
0:51:29 the more
0:51:30 I hear
0:51:31 these bad
0:51:31 things
0:51:32 the more
0:51:32 determined
0:51:33 I feel
0:51:33 that these
0:51:34 bad people
0:51:35 shall not
0:51:36 win
0:51:37 and that
0:51:38 means
0:51:39 trying to
0:51:40 find your
0:51:41 reasons for
0:51:41 hope
0:51:41 and I’ve
0:51:42 already said
0:51:42 one
0:51:43 that’s our
0:51:43 intellect
0:51:44 we can
0:51:45 get together
0:51:46 and discuss
0:51:46 and we
0:51:48 are creating
0:51:49 solar and
0:51:49 wind power
0:51:50 clean green
0:51:51 energy so
0:51:52 that we
0:51:52 can move
0:51:53 away from
0:51:54 fossil fuels
0:51:55 once we
0:51:55 get rid of
0:51:56 the leaders
0:51:56 who keep
0:51:57 opening up
0:51:58 coal mines
0:51:58 even knowing
0:51:59 that’s the
0:52:00 worst most
0:52:01 contaminating
0:52:02 fossil fuel
0:52:02 for the
0:52:03 greenhouse
0:52:03 gases
0:52:05 but anyway
0:52:05 so we’ve
0:52:05 got our
0:52:06 intellect
0:52:07 and if we
0:52:07 use it
0:52:08 wisely
0:52:08 we can
0:52:09 get out
0:52:09 of the
0:52:09 mess
0:52:11 and then
0:52:11 there’s the
0:52:12 resilience
0:52:12 of nature
0:52:14 nature
0:52:14 coming back
0:52:15 rescuing
0:52:15 animals on
0:52:15 the very
0:52:16 brink of
0:52:17 extinction
0:52:17 in Europe
0:52:18 we’ve got
0:52:19 this rewilding
0:52:20 and it’s
0:52:21 actually
0:52:22 amazing
0:52:23 and in
0:52:24 Canada
0:52:25 you’ve got
0:52:26 a wonderful
0:52:27 example
0:52:28 of
0:52:30 Sudbury
0:52:32 that was
0:52:32 totally
0:52:33 destroyed
0:52:35 and now
0:52:35 it’s green
0:52:36 and lush
0:52:36 and the
0:52:37 animals have
0:52:37 come back
0:52:38 in America
0:52:39 there’s
0:52:40 Yellowstone
0:52:40 all over
0:52:41 the world
0:52:41 there are
0:52:42 places like
0:52:42 this
0:52:44 so nature
0:52:44 is incredibly
0:52:45 resilient
0:52:46 but then
0:52:47 my main
0:52:47 reason for
0:52:48 hope is
0:52:49 the youth
0:52:49 so we
0:52:50 have this
0:52:50 program
0:52:51 for young
0:52:51 people
0:52:52 roots
0:52:52 and shoots
0:52:53 which is
0:52:54 now in
0:52:55 almost 60
0:52:55 countries
0:52:56 it’s been
0:52:57 in other
0:52:57 countries
0:52:58 but sometimes
0:52:59 the leader
0:53:00 the person
0:53:01 who started
0:53:02 it moves
0:53:03 on or dies
0:53:03 or something
0:53:04 and it
0:53:05 fades away
0:53:06 but nevertheless
0:53:07 many young
0:53:08 people have
0:53:10 been changed
0:53:10 forever
0:53:11 when they
0:53:12 join
0:53:12 roots and
0:53:13 shoots
0:53:14 because
0:53:15 its main
0:53:15 message is
0:53:16 that every
0:53:16 individual
0:53:17 makes a
0:53:17 difference
0:53:17 every
0:53:18 day
0:53:19 every
0:53:19 individual
0:53:20 has a
0:53:20 role
0:53:20 to play
0:53:22 and
0:53:23 every
0:53:23 group
0:53:24 chooses
0:53:24 three
0:53:25 projects
0:53:25 because
0:53:26 it’s all
0:53:27 interrelated
0:53:27 I learned
0:53:28 that in the
0:53:28 rainforest
0:53:30 one project
0:53:30 to help
0:53:30 people
0:53:32 one project
0:53:32 to help
0:53:33 animals
0:53:34 one project
0:53:34 to help
0:53:35 the environment
0:53:36 and the
0:53:38 wonderful
0:53:38 and by
0:53:38 the way
0:53:39 it’s
0:53:39 kindergarten
0:53:41 university
0:53:41 everything
0:53:42 in between
0:53:43 we’re beginning
0:53:44 to get the
0:53:44 staff of
0:53:45 major
0:53:45 corporations
0:53:47 starting
0:53:47 their own
0:53:48 roots and
0:53:48 shoots
0:53:48 groups
0:53:49 so it’s
0:53:49 really for
0:53:50 everyone
0:53:51 but basically
0:53:51 youth
0:53:53 and
0:53:54 so
0:53:56 these young
0:53:57 people are
0:53:58 encouraged
0:53:59 to choose
0:54:00 the projects
0:54:01 that they
0:54:01 want to
0:54:02 work on
0:54:02 so it’s
0:54:03 not a
0:54:03 top down
0:54:04 it’s
0:54:05 bottom up
0:54:05 it’s
0:54:06 grassroots
0:54:07 it’s
0:54:07 flexible
0:54:08 it’ll
0:54:08 grow
0:54:08 differently
0:54:09 depending
0:54:10 on the
0:54:10 age
0:54:11 of the
0:54:11 of the
0:54:12 members
0:54:13 depending
0:54:13 on
0:54:14 the
0:54:15 environment
0:54:15 that they’re
0:54:15 in
0:54:16 the country
0:54:16 they’re
0:54:16 in
0:54:17 the
0:54:17 religion
0:54:18 and so
0:54:18 on
0:54:19 so
0:54:20 it’s
0:54:21 flourishing
0:54:22 it’s
0:54:22 all over
0:54:22 China
0:54:23 we’ve got
0:54:23 about
0:54:24 2,000
0:54:24 groups
0:54:25 in China
0:54:25 it’s
0:54:26 everywhere
0:54:26 in
0:54:27 Tanzania
0:54:28 it’s
0:54:28 all
0:54:29 throughout
0:54:29 the
0:54:30 UK
0:54:31 it’s
0:54:32 in
0:54:32 I think
0:54:33 every
0:54:33 single
0:54:34 state
0:54:34 in
0:54:35 America
0:54:35 is
0:54:35 right
0:54:36 across
0:54:36 Canada
0:54:37 including
0:54:38 working
0:54:38 with
0:54:38 First
0:54:39 Nation
0:54:39 people
0:54:40 it’s
0:54:41 moving
0:54:42 ahead
0:54:42 quite
0:54:43 fast
0:54:43 in
0:54:44 the
0:54:44 Middle
0:54:44 East
0:54:45 we
0:54:46 just
0:54:47 started
0:54:48 Jane Goodall
0:54:48 Institute
0:54:49 in
0:54:49 India
0:54:50 and
0:54:50 another
0:54:50 one
0:54:51 in
0:54:51 Turkey
0:54:53 and
0:54:53 another
0:54:53 one
0:54:53 is
0:54:54 about
0:54:54 to
0:54:54 be
0:54:55 registered
0:54:55 in
0:54:56 Israel
0:54:57 there
0:54:57 are
0:54:57 about
0:54:58 30
0:54:59 Jane Goodall
0:54:59 Institutes
0:55:00 but
0:55:00 then
0:55:01 roots
0:55:01 and shoots
0:55:01 in
0:55:01 about
0:55:02 60
0:55:02 countries
0:55:03 so
0:55:05 the
0:55:05 young
0:55:05 people
0:55:05 are
0:55:06 changing
0:55:06 the
0:55:06 world
0:55:07 they
0:55:08 really
0:55:08 are
0:55:09 it’s
0:55:09 amazing
0:55:10 their
0:55:10 energy
0:55:11 their
0:55:11 commitment
0:55:12 their
0:55:12 determination
0:55:14 they choose
0:55:14 their project
0:55:15 discuss how
0:55:15 to do
0:55:16 it
0:55:16 roll up
0:55:16 their
0:55:17 sleeves
0:55:18 and take
0:55:18 action
0:55:19 hallelujah
0:55:19 right
0:55:20 hallelujah
0:55:21 I hope
0:55:22 it continues
0:55:22 to happen
0:55:23 and
0:55:24 listen
0:55:25 people who
0:55:25 are listening
0:55:25 now if
0:55:26 you want
0:55:26 to support
0:55:26 her
0:55:27 efforts
0:55:28 just
0:55:28 google
0:55:28 roots
0:55:29 and shoots
0:55:30 and
0:55:30 Jane
0:55:30 I’m
0:55:31 sure
0:55:31 you’ll
0:55:31 be
0:55:31 happy
0:55:31 to
0:55:31 take
0:55:32 their
0:55:32 support
0:55:32 right
0:55:33 I’d
0:55:33 be
0:55:34 happy
0:55:34 to
0:55:34 take
0:55:35 their
0:55:35 support
0:55:36 I’ll
0:55:36 be
0:55:36 even
0:55:37 happier
0:55:37 if
0:55:37 they
0:55:37 involve
0:55:38 their
0:55:38 children
0:55:39 grandchildren
0:55:40 friends
0:55:40 children
0:55:41 in the
0:55:42 program
0:55:42 because
0:55:43 this is
0:55:43 what we
0:55:44 need
0:55:44 what I’m
0:55:45 caring
0:55:45 about
0:55:45 is
0:55:45 the
0:55:46 future
0:55:46 of
0:55:46 this
0:55:46 beautiful
0:55:47 planet
0:55:48 saving
0:55:48 what’s
0:55:49 left
0:55:49 I’ve
0:55:50 got
0:55:50 grandchildren
0:55:51 could
0:55:52 have
0:55:52 great
0:55:52 grandchildren
0:55:53 soon
0:55:53 I think
0:55:54 and I
0:55:55 care
0:55:55 about
0:55:55 their
0:55:56 future
0:55:57 and so
0:55:59 we need
0:56:00 a critical
0:56:00 mass
0:56:00 of young
0:56:01 people
0:56:01 not only
0:56:02 roots and
0:56:02 choose
0:56:02 any
0:56:03 youth
0:56:03 program
0:56:04 that has
0:56:04 the same
0:56:05 goals
0:56:05 and
0:56:05 mission
0:56:06 we need
0:56:07 a critical
0:56:07 mass
0:56:08 that
0:56:08 understands
0:56:09 yes we
0:56:09 need
0:56:09 money
0:56:10 to
0:56:10 live
0:56:11 it’s
0:56:11 when we
0:56:11 live
0:56:11 for
0:56:12 money
0:56:12 it
0:56:12 goes
0:56:13 wrong
0:56:13 we
0:56:13 need
0:56:14 a
0:56:14 new
0:56:14 definition
0:56:15 of
0:56:15 what
0:56:15 it
0:56:16 means
0:56:16 to
0:56:16 be
0:56:17 successful
0:56:17 at
0:56:17 the
0:56:18 moment
0:56:18 it’s
0:56:18 power
0:56:18 and
0:56:19 money
0:56:19 and
0:56:20 that’s
0:56:21 that’s
0:56:21 not
0:56:21 what I
0:56:22 see
0:56:22 as a
0:56:22 successful
0:56:26 person
0:56:26 how
0:56:26 do
0:56:26 you
0:56:27 define
0:56:27 a
0:56:27 successful
0:56:28 person
0:56:29 somebody
0:56:30 who
0:56:30 makes
0:56:31 enough
0:56:31 money
0:56:32 to
0:56:34 supply
0:56:34 them
0:56:35 with
0:56:35 what
0:56:35 they
0:56:35 need
0:56:36 and
0:56:37 if
0:56:37 they
0:56:37 have
0:56:37 a
0:56:37 family
0:56:38 to
0:56:38 look
0:56:38 after
0:56:38 their
0:56:39 family
0:56:40 and
0:56:40 if
0:56:40 they
0:56:41 make
0:56:41 a
0:56:41 lot
0:56:41 of
0:56:41 money
0:56:42 to
0:56:43 reach
0:56:43 out
0:56:44 as
0:56:44 so
0:56:44 many
0:56:45 people
0:56:45 are
0:56:45 doing
0:56:45 now
0:56:46 to
0:56:47 support
0:56:48 organizations
0:56:48 that
0:56:48 are
0:56:49 working
0:56:49 in
0:56:49 the
0:56:49 field
0:56:50 on
0:56:50 the
0:56:50 ground
0:56:52 and
0:56:53 who
0:56:54 can
0:56:54 be
0:56:55 happy
0:56:56 people
0:56:56 who
0:56:56 have
0:56:57 time
0:56:58 to
0:56:58 smell
0:56:58 the
0:56:59 roses
0:56:59 as
0:56:59 the
0:56:59 saying
0:57:00 goes
0:57:01 and
0:57:01 you
0:57:01 go to
0:57:01 a
0:57:02 poor
0:57:02 part
0:57:02 of
0:57:03 Africa
0:57:04 and
0:57:04 the
0:57:04 people
0:57:05 don’t
0:57:05 have
0:57:05 very
0:57:06 much
0:57:06 at
0:57:06 all
0:57:07 some
0:57:07 of
0:57:07 them
0:57:07 are
0:57:07 just
0:57:08 making
0:57:08 money
0:57:08 each
0:57:09 day
0:57:09 enough
0:57:09 to
0:57:10 eat
0:57:10 but
0:57:10 you
0:57:10 go
0:57:10 there
0:57:11 in
0:57:11 the
0:57:11 evening
0:57:11 and
0:57:11 they
0:57:12 lit
0:57:12 their
0:57:12 little
0:57:13 fires
0:57:14 and
0:57:14 they’re
0:57:14 singing
0:57:15 and
0:57:15 they’re
0:57:16 laughing
0:57:16 and
0:57:16 they’re
0:57:17 having
0:57:17 fun
0:57:18 and
0:57:18 we
0:57:19 don’t
0:57:19 have
0:57:19 enough
0:57:20 time
0:57:20 in
0:57:20 our
0:57:21 crazy
0:57:21 world
0:57:22 we’re
0:57:22 always
0:57:22 looking
0:57:22 at
0:57:23 emails
0:57:24 and
0:57:25 children
0:57:26 are not
0:57:26 in
0:57:26 nature
0:57:27 anymore
0:57:27 they’re
0:57:27 just
0:57:28 looking
0:57:28 at
0:57:28 their
0:57:28 little
0:57:29 little
0:57:30 cell
0:57:30 phones
0:57:30 and
0:57:31 their
0:57:32 whatsapping
0:57:32 and
0:57:33 messaging
0:57:33 and
0:57:33 doing
0:57:34 all
0:57:34 these
0:57:34 things
0:57:34 that
0:57:34 I
0:57:35 don’t
0:57:35 do
0:57:37 and
0:57:37 they
0:57:37 should
0:57:37 be
0:57:37 out
0:57:38 in
0:57:38 nature
0:57:38 learning
0:57:39 from
0:57:39 life
0:57:40 not
0:57:41 learning
0:57:41 from
0:57:41 these
0:57:42 stupid
0:57:42 little
0:57:43 screens
0:57:46 I’ve
0:57:46 got
0:57:46 my
0:57:47 eyes
0:57:47 shut
0:57:47 now
0:57:47 so
0:57:47 I’m
0:57:47 not
0:57:48 looking
0:57:48 at
0:57:48 this
0:57:48 little
0:57:49 screen
0:57:52 you’ve
0:57:53 traveled
0:57:53 all
0:57:54 around
0:57:54 the
0:57:54 world
0:57:55 can
0:57:55 you
0:57:55 give
0:57:55 us
0:57:55 your
0:57:56 impression
0:57:57 do
0:57:57 you
0:57:57 think
0:57:57 that
0:57:58 people
0:57:58 are
0:57:58 more
0:57:59 similar
0:57:59 or
0:57:59 more
0:58:00 different
0:58:00 as
0:58:00 you
0:58:00 go
0:58:01 from
0:58:01 country
0:58:01 to
0:58:01 country
0:58:02 oh
0:58:02 they’re
0:58:03 more
0:58:03 similar
0:58:03 without
0:58:04 any
0:58:04 question
0:58:05 and
0:58:05 that’s
0:58:05 the
0:58:06 wonderful
0:58:06 thing
0:58:06 that’s
0:58:06 come
0:58:06 out
0:58:07 of
0:58:07 our
0:58:07 roots
0:58:07 and
0:58:07 shoots
0:58:08 because
0:58:08 as
0:58:09 often
0:58:09 as
0:58:09 we
0:58:09 can
0:58:09 we
0:58:10 bring
0:58:10 young
0:58:10 people
0:58:11 together
0:58:12 usually
0:58:12 it’s
0:58:12 just
0:58:13 within
0:58:13 the
0:58:13 country
0:58:14 or
0:58:14 even
0:58:14 the
0:58:14 city
0:58:14 but
0:58:15 we
0:58:15 try
0:58:15 to
0:58:16 bring
0:58:16 people
0:58:16 from
0:58:17 different
0:58:17 backgrounds
0:58:18 together
0:58:19 as
0:58:19 much
0:58:19 as
0:58:20 we
0:58:20 can
0:58:20 from
0:58:21 different
0:58:21 countries
0:58:22 usually
0:58:22 virtually
0:58:23 but
0:58:23 not
0:58:24 always
0:58:25 and
0:58:26 it’s
0:58:26 just
0:58:26 coming
0:58:26 out
0:58:27 of
0:58:27 this
0:58:27 program
0:58:28 is
0:58:28 a
0:58:28 feeling
0:58:29 much
0:58:29 more
0:58:30 important
0:58:30 than
0:58:35 socioeconomic
0:58:36 group
0:58:36 is
0:58:36 the
0:58:36 fact
0:58:36 we’re
0:58:37 all
0:58:37 humans
0:58:38 we
0:58:38 laugh
0:58:39 we
0:58:40 cry
0:58:41 our
0:58:41 tears
0:58:42 and our
0:58:42 laughter
0:58:43 is the
0:58:43 same
0:58:44 and
0:58:46 if we
0:58:46 hurt
0:58:46 ourselves
0:58:46 we
0:58:47 bleed
0:58:47 and our
0:58:47 blood
0:58:48 is the
0:58:48 same
0:58:49 and our
0:58:49 blood
0:58:49 actually
0:58:50 is the
0:58:50 same
0:58:51 so
0:58:52 that
0:58:53 is
0:58:53 tremendously
0:58:54 important
0:58:55 people
0:58:55 are
0:58:56 more
0:58:56 the
0:58:57 same
0:58:57 than
0:58:57 they
0:58:58 are
0:58:58 different
0:58:59 and
0:58:59 the
0:59:00 worrying
0:59:00 thing
0:59:01 is
0:59:02 that
0:59:02 the
0:59:02 way
0:59:02 a
0:59:03 child
0:59:03 is
0:59:03 brought
0:59:03 up
0:59:04 really
0:59:04 makes
0:59:04 a
0:59:05 big
0:59:05 difference
0:59:06 and
0:59:06 so
0:59:07 some
0:59:08 children
0:59:09 are
0:59:09 brought
0:59:09 up
0:59:10 in
0:59:11 societies
0:59:12 where
0:59:13 violence
0:59:14 is
0:59:16 condoned
0:59:17 and
0:59:17 you know
0:59:17 that
0:59:18 these
0:59:20 religious
0:59:20 differences
0:59:21 it’s
0:59:22 not
0:59:22 the
0:59:23 basic
0:59:23 underlying
0:59:24 religion
0:59:24 that’s
0:59:25 causing
0:59:25 all
0:59:26 this
0:59:26 hate
0:59:28 between
0:59:28 Muslims
0:59:28 and
0:59:29 Christians
0:59:29 and
0:59:30 Jews
0:59:30 and
0:59:30 all
0:59:30 the
0:59:31 rest
0:59:31 of
0:59:31 it
0:59:32 it’s
0:59:32 the
0:59:33 fanatics
0:59:33 within
0:59:34 those
0:59:34 religions
0:59:36 because
0:59:36 the
0:59:36 basic
0:59:37 tenet
0:59:37 of
0:59:37 every
0:59:38 single
0:59:38 major
0:59:39 religion
0:59:39 is
0:59:40 the
0:59:41 same
0:59:41 golden
0:59:42 rule
0:59:42 do
0:59:43 to
0:59:43 others
0:59:43 as
0:59:44 you
0:59:44 would
0:59:44 have
0:59:44 them
0:59:45 do
0:59:45 to
0:59:45 you
0:59:46 and
0:59:47 I
0:59:47 include
0:59:47 animals
0:59:48 in
0:59:48 that
0:59:49 because
0:59:49 we
0:59:49 know
0:59:49 they’re
0:59:50 sentient
0:59:51 they
0:59:51 have
0:59:51 feelings
0:59:52 like
0:59:52 we
0:59:52 do
0:59:52 they
0:59:53 can
0:59:53 feel
0:59:53 happy
0:59:54 and
0:59:54 sad
0:59:55 they
0:59:55 have
0:59:56 personalities
0:59:57 they
0:59:57 have
0:59:58 they
0:59:58 have
0:59:59 problem
1:00:00 solving
1:00:01 capabilities
1:00:02 they’re
1:00:02 adaptable
1:00:03 so when
1:00:04 we think
1:00:04 of these
1:00:05 factory
1:00:05 farms
1:00:06 the
1:00:06 wildlife
1:00:07 markets
1:00:07 where
1:00:09 COVID-19
1:00:09 actually
1:00:10 began
1:00:10 and this
1:00:12 unhygienic
1:00:12 cruel
1:00:13 wet
1:00:14 wildlife
1:00:14 market
1:00:15 in China
1:00:15 but there’s
1:00:16 wildlife
1:00:16 markets
1:00:17 across Asia
1:00:18 in Africa
1:00:19 and Latin
1:00:20 America
1:00:20 we
1:00:22 ship
1:00:22 animals
1:00:23 around
1:00:23 the
1:00:23 world
1:00:23 as
1:00:24 exotic
1:00:24 pets
1:00:25 they
1:00:25 all
1:00:25 take
1:00:25 their
1:00:26 bacteria
1:00:26 and
1:00:26 their
1:00:27 viruses
1:00:27 with
1:00:27 them
1:00:28 which
1:00:29 is
1:00:29 why
1:00:30 75%
1:00:31 of new
1:00:32 human
1:00:33 diseases
1:00:34 to emerge
1:00:35 are from
1:00:36 animals
1:00:37 and we
1:00:37 create the
1:00:37 conditions
1:00:38 that make
1:00:38 it easy
1:00:40 so
1:00:41 when you
1:00:41 think of
1:00:42 a factory
1:00:43 farm
1:00:44 or trafficking
1:00:44 animals
1:00:45 or
1:00:46 species
1:00:46 being
1:00:48 exterminated
1:00:49 or sports
1:00:49 hunting
1:00:51 we’re talking
1:00:51 about
1:00:52 individual
1:00:52 animals
1:00:53 with
1:00:54 personalities
1:00:55 and
1:00:56 with
1:00:56 feelings
1:00:57 of fear
1:00:58 and terror
1:01:00 but they
1:01:01 could be
1:01:01 feelings
1:01:02 of joy
1:01:03 and they
1:01:04 all feel
1:01:04 pain
1:01:06 which leads
1:01:06 me to ask
1:01:07 a question
1:01:07 that I’m
1:01:08 just very
1:01:08 curious about
1:01:09 what do
1:01:10 you think
1:01:10 about
1:01:11 zoos
1:01:12 do they
1:01:12 help
1:01:13 educate
1:01:13 people
1:01:13 about
1:01:14 animals
1:01:14 or are
1:01:15 they
1:01:15 fundamentally
1:01:16 imprisoning
1:01:16 animals
1:01:16 and
1:01:17 they’re
1:01:18 not a
1:01:18 good
1:01:18 thing
1:01:18 it
1:01:19 honestly
1:01:19 depends
1:01:20 on the
1:01:20 zoo
1:01:20 and of
1:01:21 course
1:01:21 I’m
1:01:21 asked
1:01:21 this
1:01:22 a lot
1:01:23 the
1:01:23 really
1:01:23 good
1:01:24 zoos
1:01:25 they
1:01:25 do
1:01:25 a lot
1:01:25 of
1:01:26 good
1:01:26 they
1:01:26 have
1:01:26 very
1:01:27 very
1:01:27 good
1:01:28 education
1:01:28 programs
1:01:29 they
1:01:30 raise
1:01:30 money
1:01:31 for
1:01:32 conservation
1:01:32 on the
1:01:33 ground
1:01:33 in the
1:01:34 countries
1:01:35 where
1:01:35 their
1:01:35 animals
1:01:36 come
1:01:36 from
1:01:37 they
1:01:38 have
1:01:39 excellent
1:01:40 veterinarians
1:01:40 who
1:01:40 get
1:01:41 a lot
1:01:41 of
1:01:42 practice
1:01:42 with
1:01:43 treating
1:01:44 exotic
1:01:45 animals
1:01:46 and
1:01:47 more
1:01:47 and more
1:01:48 zoos
1:01:48 are
1:01:48 sending
1:01:49 their
1:01:49 qualified
1:01:50 vets
1:01:50 out
1:01:51 to
1:01:52 programs
1:01:53 in the
1:01:53 field
1:01:53 to
1:01:54 train
1:01:54 people
1:01:54 there
1:01:55 and
1:01:56 lend
1:01:56 their
1:01:57 expertise
1:01:58 the
1:01:58 really
1:01:58 good
1:01:59 zoos
1:01:59 they
1:01:59 have
1:01:59 good
1:02:00 enclosures
1:02:01 they
1:02:02 have
1:02:02 staff
1:02:02 who
1:02:03 care
1:02:03 who
1:02:04 understand
1:02:05 really
1:02:06 important
1:02:06 they
1:02:07 understand
1:02:07 the
1:02:07 need
1:02:08 for
1:02:09 enrichment
1:02:10 by
1:02:10 that
1:02:10 I
1:02:10 mean
1:02:11 just
1:02:12 imagine
1:02:12 being
1:02:12 in
1:02:13 a
1:02:13 small
1:02:14 space
1:02:14 with
1:02:14 nothing
1:02:15 to
1:02:15 do
1:02:16 that’s
1:02:16 what
1:02:17 really
1:02:17 upsets
1:02:18 human
1:02:19 prisoners
1:02:19 it
1:02:20 might
1:02:20 be
1:02:20 even
1:02:20 worse
1:02:21 for
1:02:21 animals
1:02:21 maybe
1:02:21 they
1:02:22 have
1:02:22 less
1:02:22 ability
1:02:23 to
1:02:23 think
1:02:24 outside
1:02:24 the
1:02:24 prison
1:02:25 so
1:02:25 to
1:02:25 speak
1:02:26 so
1:02:26 now
1:02:26 the
1:02:27 good
1:02:27 zoos
1:02:27 this
1:02:28 enrichment
1:02:29 animals
1:02:29 aren’t
1:02:29 just
1:02:29 given
1:02:30 their
1:02:30 food
1:02:30 they
1:02:30 have
1:02:30 to
1:02:31 work
1:02:31 for
1:02:31 it
1:02:31 they
1:02:31 have
1:02:31 to
1:02:31 solve
1:02:32 problems
1:02:33 obviously
1:02:34 depending
1:02:34 on
1:02:34 the
1:02:34 species
1:02:38 they
1:02:39 need
1:02:39 a
1:02:39 good
1:02:39 social
1:02:40 group
1:02:41 and
1:02:41 they
1:02:41 need
1:02:41 people
1:02:42 who
1:02:42 understand
1:02:42 them
1:02:42 and
1:02:43 give
1:02:43 them
1:02:43 the
1:02:43 right
1:02:44 food
1:02:45 and
1:02:45 the
1:02:45 good
1:02:45 zoos
1:02:46 are
1:02:46 doing
1:02:46 that
1:02:47 did
1:02:47 you
1:02:47 know
1:02:48 that
1:02:48 the
1:02:49 secretary
1:02:49 of
1:02:49 the
1:02:50 interior
1:02:51 in
1:02:51 the
1:02:51 Biden
1:02:52 administration
1:02:53 is
1:02:53 a
1:02:53 Native
1:02:54 American
1:02:55 did
1:02:55 you
1:02:55 yes
1:02:55 I
1:02:56 indeed
1:02:57 I
1:02:57 did
1:02:57 know
1:02:58 is
1:02:58 and
1:02:58 is
1:02:59 that
1:02:59 just
1:03:00 not
1:03:01 the
1:03:02 greatest
1:03:02 story
1:03:03 ever
1:03:04 yeah
1:03:05 because
1:03:05 the
1:03:05 these
1:03:06 indigenous
1:03:06 people
1:03:07 they
1:03:07 understand
1:03:08 the
1:03:08 natural
1:03:09 world
1:03:09 I love
1:03:10 with the
1:03:10 Native
1:03:11 Americans
1:03:11 they say
1:03:12 the
1:03:12 animals
1:03:13 the
1:03:13 birds
1:03:13 and the
1:03:14 fishes
1:03:15 and the
1:03:16 mammals
1:03:17 and the
1:03:17 trees
1:03:18 and the
1:03:18 flowers
1:03:19 and some
1:03:19 of them
1:03:20 even the
1:03:20 rocks
1:03:21 and the
1:03:21 mountains
1:03:21 they’re our
1:03:22 brothers and
1:03:22 sisters
1:03:23 we’re all
1:03:24 one with
1:03:24 creation
1:03:26 and that
1:03:27 is how
1:03:27 we need
1:03:28 to think
1:03:28 about it
1:03:30 we’re part
1:03:30 of this
1:03:31 amazing
1:03:32 tapestry
1:03:32 of life
1:03:34 you know
1:03:34 we first
1:03:34 encountered
1:03:35 each other
1:03:36 back at
1:03:37 Stanford
1:03:37 believe it or
1:03:37 not
1:03:39 I was a
1:03:39 student
1:03:39 you were
1:03:40 a professor
1:03:41 and already
1:03:41 you were
1:03:41 just
1:03:42 remarkable
1:03:43 I have to
1:03:44 say that
1:03:44 our friendship
1:03:45 is one of the
1:03:45 most valuable
1:03:46 things in
1:03:46 my life
1:03:48 I appreciate
1:03:48 you doing
1:03:49 this again
1:03:49 on Clubhouse
1:03:51 and wow
1:03:51 can I just
1:03:52 be a little
1:03:52 bit of a
1:03:53 fanboy
1:03:53 for a
1:03:54 while
1:03:57 you are
1:03:57 being
1:04:00 and one
1:04:00 of the
1:04:00 stories
1:04:01 that I
1:04:02 like the
1:04:02 most
1:04:04 is that
1:04:04 when you
1:04:05 went back
1:04:06 and you
1:04:06 told other
1:04:07 biologists
1:04:08 that you
1:04:09 had established
1:04:10 friendships
1:04:11 with the
1:04:12 chimpanzees
1:04:12 and you
1:04:13 observed that
1:04:14 they used
1:04:14 tools
1:04:16 and rather
1:04:16 than thinking
1:04:18 of you
1:04:19 as pushing
1:04:20 forward the
1:04:20 edge of
1:04:21 science and
1:04:21 making
1:04:22 discoveries
1:04:23 didn’t they
1:04:25 summarily reject
1:04:26 you because
1:04:27 you’re a woman
1:04:27 and you didn’t
1:04:28 have a PhD in
1:04:29 biology so
1:04:30 let’s talk
1:04:30 about that
1:04:31 what happened
1:04:31 there
1:04:33 what happened
1:04:33 is that
1:04:34 after I’d
1:04:34 been with
1:04:35 the chimps
1:04:36 about one
1:04:37 and a half
1:04:37 years
1:04:38 I get this
1:04:39 letter from
1:04:39 Lewis Leakey
1:04:40 saying I
1:04:40 have to go
1:04:42 to university
1:04:42 I have to
1:04:43 get a degree
1:04:44 because I’ll
1:04:44 have to stand
1:04:45 on my own
1:04:46 two feet
1:04:46 to get money
1:04:47 and I’ll need
1:04:48 a degree
1:04:48 for that
1:04:49 and there’s
1:04:49 no time
1:04:50 for an
1:04:51 undergraduate
1:04:51 degree
1:04:52 and he’s
1:04:52 got me
1:04:53 a place
1:04:53 in Cambridge
1:04:54 University
1:04:54 to do
1:04:56 a PhD
1:04:57 in ethology
1:04:57 I didn’t
1:04:58 even know
1:04:59 what ethology
1:04:59 was
1:05:00 study of
1:05:01 behaviour
1:05:01 but anyway
1:05:03 when I got
1:05:03 there
1:05:04 as you say
1:05:05 I was told
1:05:06 I’d done
1:05:06 everything wrong
1:05:07 shouldn’t have
1:05:08 given the chimps
1:05:08 names
1:05:09 they should be
1:05:09 numbered
1:05:10 that’s scientific
1:05:12 and you can’t
1:05:12 talk about them
1:05:13 having personalities
1:05:14 minds or emotions
1:05:15 because those
1:05:16 are unique
1:05:17 to us
1:05:18 and you
1:05:18 mustn’t
1:05:19 on any
1:05:20 account
1:05:21 have empathy
1:05:22 with them
1:05:23 because then
1:05:23 you can’t
1:05:24 be scientifically
1:05:25 objective
1:05:27 and your science
1:05:27 will never
1:05:28 be any good
1:05:30 but you know
1:05:30 fortunately
1:05:32 I had this
1:05:33 great teacher
1:05:33 when I was
1:05:34 a child
1:05:35 my dog
1:05:36 Rusty
1:05:37 and he taught
1:05:38 me that the
1:05:39 professors were
1:05:39 wrong
1:05:41 so as usual
1:05:41 I didn’t
1:05:42 confront them
1:05:43 I didn’t argue
1:05:44 with them
1:05:45 I just went
1:05:46 on writing
1:05:47 about it
1:05:47 in the way
1:05:48 that I knew
1:05:49 was right
1:05:50 and then of course
1:05:51 it was Hugo’s
1:05:51 film
1:05:53 and when Hugo’s
1:05:54 film started
1:05:55 coming
1:05:56 out
1:05:57 into the
1:05:57 open
1:05:58 the scientists
1:05:59 just had
1:06:00 to realize
1:06:01 that
1:06:02 I was
1:06:02 right
1:06:03 wait wait
1:06:04 how did
1:06:05 Rusty your
1:06:05 dog teach
1:06:06 you this
1:06:07 this is a
1:06:08 new story
1:06:09 well no
1:06:09 it’s not
1:06:10 if you share
1:06:11 your life
1:06:11 in a meaningful
1:06:12 way
1:06:13 they have
1:06:14 personalities
1:06:14 do you have
1:06:15 any animals
1:06:16 sky
1:06:17 let’s see
1:06:19 well I know
1:06:19 a lot of the
1:06:20 listeners will
1:06:21 and I bet you
1:06:22 any
1:06:23 any listener
1:06:24 that’s for sure
1:06:25 yes
1:06:25 yes
1:06:26 that’s what I mean
1:06:27 a dog
1:06:28 or a cat
1:06:29 could be a bird
1:06:29 a pig
1:06:29 a horse
1:06:30 I don’t care
1:06:31 what it is
1:06:32 but if you
1:06:33 have an animal
1:06:34 and you allow
1:06:34 that animal
1:06:35 to be part
1:06:36 of your life
1:06:37 then you know
1:06:38 quite well
1:06:39 we are not
1:06:40 the only beings
1:06:41 with personalities
1:06:42 minds
1:06:43 and emotions
1:06:45 and so I knew
1:06:46 but then of course
1:06:47 the chimps
1:06:48 they’re so like us
1:06:49 kissing
1:06:50 embracing
1:06:51 holding hands
1:06:52 forming these
1:06:53 long term
1:06:54 relationships
1:06:55 good mothers
1:06:56 bad mothers
1:06:57 close family
1:06:58 relationships
1:06:59 using tools
1:07:00 all these things
1:07:01 so
1:07:03 it was just
1:07:03 very clear
1:07:04 that these
1:07:05 professors
1:07:06 were wrong
1:07:06 and anyway
1:07:07 they’d never been
1:07:07 out looking
1:07:08 at wild animals
1:07:10 they mostly
1:07:10 studied
1:07:12 birds
1:07:12 did nasty
1:07:13 things to them
1:07:14 like deafening
1:07:15 them to see
1:07:15 if they still
1:07:16 learnt the
1:07:17 instinctive song
1:07:19 not nice things
1:07:20 Jane
1:07:21 we’ve had you
1:07:23 for 38 minutes
1:07:23 and I know
1:07:24 it’s late
1:07:24 where you are
1:07:25 we’re gonna
1:07:26 wrap this up
1:07:27 but I would
1:07:28 love if you
1:07:28 would just
1:07:29 have a few
1:07:30 closing remarks
1:07:31 and say goodbye
1:07:32 to the hundreds
1:07:33 or thousands
1:07:33 of people
1:07:34 who are listening
1:07:35 to you right now
1:07:35 the stage
1:07:36 is all yours
1:07:37 Jane
1:07:38 just bring it
1:07:38 on home
1:07:39 first of all
1:07:40 Guy
1:07:41 let me say
1:07:42 I value
1:07:43 the opportunities
1:07:43 that you’ve
1:07:44 given me
1:07:45 to share
1:07:45 a message
1:07:46 I think
1:07:47 this is
1:07:48 probably the
1:07:49 fourth time
1:07:49 that this
1:07:50 has happened
1:07:51 and
1:07:53 it’s
1:07:54 people like
1:07:54 you
1:07:57 and I’m
1:07:58 sure that
1:07:59 probably
1:08:00 every single
1:08:00 one of the
1:08:01 people listening
1:08:02 in
1:08:03 is a much
1:08:04 better person
1:08:05 than a much
1:08:06 worse person
1:08:06 there’s far
1:08:07 more good
1:08:08 in people
1:08:08 than bad
1:08:08 in people
1:08:09 I’m
1:08:10 convinced
1:08:10 of that
1:08:11 and when
1:08:12 they do
1:08:12 behave
1:08:13 in
1:08:13 violent
1:08:14 ways
1:08:15 that’s
1:08:15 their
1:08:15 upbringing
1:08:16 most of
1:08:17 the time
1:08:18 or
1:08:18 things
1:08:19 they’ve
1:08:19 experienced
1:08:20 in life
1:08:22 so to end
1:08:22 up to wrap
1:08:23 up then
1:08:24 I think
1:08:24 everybody
1:08:25 needs to
1:08:26 become
1:08:27 involved
1:08:28 everybody
1:08:28 needs to
1:08:29 find something
1:08:30 to do
1:08:31 and if
1:08:31 you can
1:08:32 go to bed
1:08:33 each night
1:08:33 and think
1:08:34 I didn’t
1:08:34 do that
1:08:35 much
1:08:35 today
1:08:36 but I
1:08:36 think
1:08:36 I
1:08:36 made
1:08:37 the
1:08:37 world
1:08:37 a
1:08:37 little
1:08:38 bit
1:08:38 better
1:08:39 and
1:08:40 that’s
1:08:40 simple
1:08:41 things
1:08:41 like
1:08:42 making
1:08:42 somebody
1:08:43 smile
1:08:44 we don’t
1:08:44 smile
1:08:45 enough
1:08:46 we see
1:08:46 people
1:08:47 with drawn
1:08:47 worried
1:08:48 faces
1:08:49 and
1:08:49 sometimes
1:08:50 you can
1:08:51 just
1:08:51 smile
1:08:51 at them
1:08:52 and they
1:08:53 smile
1:08:53 back
1:08:54 we’re
1:08:54 getting
1:08:54 afraid
1:08:55 to smile
1:08:55 these
1:08:56 days
1:08:56 and
1:08:57 you
1:08:57 can
1:08:58 bother
1:08:58 to
1:08:59 report
1:08:59 if you
1:09:00 see
1:09:00 an
1:09:00 animal
1:09:00 being
1:09:01 abused
1:09:02 you
1:09:02 can
1:09:03 give
1:09:03 water
1:09:04 to a
1:09:04 dying
1:09:05 plant
1:09:06 just
1:09:06 the
1:09:06 little
1:09:07 things
1:09:07 choose
1:09:08 what
1:09:08 you
1:09:08 buy
1:09:09 and
1:09:10 I
1:09:11 think
1:09:11 if
1:09:11 everybody
1:09:12 behaves
1:09:12 like
1:09:13 that
1:09:14 and
1:09:14 if
1:09:14 everybody
1:09:15 realizes
1:09:15 that
1:09:16 truly
1:09:16 and
1:09:17 honestly
1:09:17 what
1:09:18 you
1:09:18 do
1:09:18 each
1:09:19 day
1:09:19 does
1:09:20 make
1:09:20 a
1:09:21 collective
1:09:21 difference
1:09:23 change
1:09:23 then
1:09:23 then
1:09:23 then
1:09:24 we
1:09:24 shall
1:09:24 be
1:09:25 moving
1:09:26 towards
1:09:26 a
1:09:26 better
1:09:27 world
1:09:27 and
1:09:28 maybe
1:09:28 some
1:09:28 of
1:09:28 the
1:09:29 people
1:09:29 listening
1:09:30 have
1:09:31 children
1:09:31 or
1:09:32 grandchildren
1:09:33 think
1:09:33 about
1:09:34 their
1:09:34 future
1:09:35 think
1:09:35 about
1:09:36 how
1:09:36 what
1:09:36 you
1:09:36 do
1:09:37 every
1:09:37 day
1:09:38 will
1:09:38 affect
1:09:39 their
1:09:39 future
1:09:40 for the
1:09:40 better
1:09:40 or the
1:09:41 worse
1:09:42 think
1:09:42 about
1:09:42 the
1:09:43 fact
1:09:43 that
1:09:43 if
1:09:43 we
1:09:43 carry
1:09:44 on
1:09:44 with
1:09:44 business
1:09:45 as
1:09:45 usual
1:09:46 their
1:09:47 future
1:09:47 is
1:09:47 going
1:09:47 to
1:09:47 be
1:09:48 very
1:09:48 grim
1:09:49 indeed
1:09:50 if
1:09:50 the
1:09:50 world
1:09:51 continues
1:09:51 to
1:09:51 heat
1:09:52 up
1:09:52 if
1:09:53 we
1:09:53 go
1:09:53 on
1:09:54 losing
1:09:55 the
1:09:56 biodiversity
1:09:57 which
1:09:57 I
1:09:57 like
1:09:57 to
1:09:58 think
1:09:58 of
1:09:58 as
1:09:58 the
1:09:59 web
1:09:59 of
1:09:59 life
1:10:00 that’s
1:10:00 much
1:10:00 more
1:10:01 so much
1:10:02 nicer
1:10:02 picture
1:10:03 than
1:10:03 biodiversity
1:10:05 which
1:10:05 some
1:10:05 people
1:10:05 don’t
1:10:05 even
1:10:06 understand
1:10:07 but
1:10:07 we
1:10:08 can’t
1:10:08 go
1:10:08 on
1:10:09 destroying
1:10:09 this
1:10:09 web
1:10:13 and
1:10:13 if
1:10:14 people
1:10:14 remember
1:10:15 that
1:10:15 we
1:10:16 actually
1:10:16 are
1:10:17 part
1:10:17 of
1:10:17 the
1:10:18 natural
1:10:19 world
1:10:19 and
1:10:19 depend
1:10:19 on
1:10:20 it
1:10:20 for
1:10:21 clean
1:10:21 air
1:10:21 clean
1:10:22 water
1:10:22 for
1:10:22 food
1:10:23 for
1:10:23 shelter
1:10:23 for
1:10:24 everything
1:10:25 and
1:10:25 I
1:10:26 can’t
1:10:26 forget
1:10:27 and
1:10:28 I’ll
1:10:29 end up
1:10:29 by
1:10:29 saying
1:10:29 that
1:10:30 I
1:10:30 have
1:10:31 many
1:10:31 Native
1:10:32 American
1:10:32 friends
1:10:33 and
1:10:34 actually
1:10:35 indigenous
1:10:35 people
1:10:36 in
1:10:36 other
1:10:36 countries
1:10:37 too
1:10:38 but
1:10:38 one
1:10:38 of
1:10:38 the
1:10:38 most
1:10:39 wonderful
1:10:40 gifts
1:10:40 I
1:10:40 was
1:10:41 given
1:10:42 was
1:10:43 by
1:10:43 a
1:10:44 Native
1:10:44 American
1:10:45 chief
1:10:45 of
1:10:46 the
1:10:46 Cherokee
1:10:47 tribe
1:10:48 and
1:10:49 sometimes
1:10:50 you’re
1:10:51 honoured
1:10:51 in a
1:10:51 naming
1:10:52 ceremony
1:10:52 and
1:10:52 it
1:10:53 is
1:10:53 a
1:10:53 great
1:10:53 honour
1:10:54 if
1:10:54 they
1:10:54 give
1:10:55 you
1:10:55 a
1:10:56 name
1:10:56 in
1:10:56 their
1:10:57 language
1:10:58 and
1:10:58 so
1:10:58 I
1:10:59 was
1:10:59 honoured
1:10:59 with
1:10:59 a
1:11:00 Cherokee
1:11:00 name
1:11:01 and
1:11:02 the
1:11:02 translation
1:11:03 of
1:11:03 the
1:11:03 word
1:11:04 is
1:11:04 sister
1:11:05 of
1:11:05 mother
1:11:06 earth
1:11:07 and
1:11:08 what
1:11:09 more
1:11:09 wonderful
1:11:10 gift
1:11:10 could
1:11:10 you
1:11:10 have
1:11:11 so
1:11:11 I
1:11:11 have
1:11:12 to
1:11:12 fight
1:11:12 every
1:11:13 day
1:11:15 for
1:11:15 my
1:11:15 sister
1:11:16 but
1:11:17 we’re
1:11:17 all
1:11:18 sisters
1:11:18 of
1:11:18 mother
1:11:19 earth
1:11:19 and
1:11:19 brothers
1:11:19 of
1:11:20 mother
1:11:20 earth
1:11:21 think
1:11:21 of it
1:11:21 that
1:11:22 way
1:11:22 and
1:11:23 act
1:11:23 that
1:11:23 way
1:11:25 that’s
1:11:25 how
1:11:25 I
1:11:25 would
1:11:25 sum
1:11:25 it
1:11:26 up
1:11:26 believe
1:11:27 it
1:11:27 or
1:11:27 not
1:11:27 Jane
1:11:28 was
1:11:28 the
1:11:28 first
1:11:29 guest
1:11:30 I
1:11:30 discovered
1:11:31 something
1:11:31 Jane
1:11:32 magic
1:11:32 of
1:11:33 Google
1:11:34 search
1:11:34 engine
1:11:35 if
1:11:35 you
1:11:35 typed
1:11:36 in
1:11:36 Jane
1:11:36 Goodall
1:11:37 plus
1:11:37 the
1:11:37 word
1:11:38 remarkable
1:11:38 guess
1:11:38 what
1:11:39 it
1:11:39 finds
1:11:39 that
1:11:40 episode
1:11:41 so
1:11:42 listen
1:11:43 to
1:11:43 that
1:11:43 episode
1:11:44 and
1:11:44 Jane
1:11:45 it’s
1:11:45 always
1:11:46 an
1:11:46 honor
1:11:47 and
1:11:47 a
1:11:47 privilege
1:11:47 and
1:11:48 fun
1:11:48 to
1:11:49 be
1:11:49 online
1:11:49 with
1:11:49 you
1:11:50 post
1:11:50 pandemic
1:11:51 anytime
1:11:51 you
1:11:51 need
1:11:51 me
1:11:52 as
1:11:52 your
1:11:53 fireside
1:11:53 chatter
1:11:55 I’m
1:11:55 there
1:11:55 for you
1:11:56 Jane
1:11:56 anytime
1:11:56 you
1:11:57 want
1:11:57 it’s
1:11:57 an
1:11:58 honor
1:11:58 and
1:11:58 a
1:11:58 privilege
1:11:59 thank
1:11:59 you
1:12:00 guy
1:12:00 and
1:12:00 next
1:12:01 time
1:12:01 I’m
1:12:02 going
1:12:02 to
1:12:02 put
1:12:02 you
1:12:02 on
1:12:02 the
1:12:03 spot
1:12:03 and
1:12:03 ask
1:12:03 you
1:12:03 all
1:12:04 the
1:12:04 questions
1:12:06 okay
1:12:07 I’ll
1:12:07 be
1:12:07 on
1:12:08 your
1:12:08 podcast
1:12:09 yeah
1:12:10 that’s
1:12:10 right
1:12:11 speaking
1:12:11 of
1:12:12 Jane
1:12:12 does
1:12:13 have
1:12:13 a
1:12:13 podcast
1:12:14 so
1:12:14 look
1:12:14 for
1:12:15 Jane’s
1:12:15 podcast
1:12:16 and
1:12:17 also
1:12:17 remember
1:12:18 roots
1:12:18 and
1:12:18 shoots
1:12:19 dot
1:12:19 org
1:12:20 if
1:12:20 you
1:12:20 want
1:12:20 to
1:12:20 help
1:12:21 her
1:12:21 and
1:12:21 her
1:12:22 quest
1:12:23 to
1:12:24 help
1:12:25 mother
1:12:25 earth
1:12:26 by the
1:12:26 way
1:12:27 yes
1:12:28 sister
1:12:28 of
1:12:28 mother
1:12:29 the
1:12:29 podcast
1:12:30 is
1:12:30 called
1:12:30 hope
1:12:31 cast
1:12:31 what
1:12:32 a
1:12:32 great
1:12:32 name
1:12:33 isn’t
1:12:33 that
1:12:33 a
1:12:34 good
1:12:34 name
1:12:34 that
1:12:34 was
1:12:35 Dan
1:12:36 Dupont
1:12:37 director
1:12:37 of
1:12:38 communication
1:12:39 that’s
1:12:39 a super
1:12:40 name
1:12:40 so I do
1:12:41 hope
1:12:41 casts
1:12:42 you do
1:12:42 podcasts
1:12:45 that’s
1:12:45 why you’re
1:12:45 Jane
1:12:46 Goodall
1:12:46 and I’m
1:12:46 merely
1:12:47 Guy
1:12:47 Kawasaki
1:12:48 so
1:12:49 we’ll let
1:12:49 you go
1:12:49 to sleep
1:12:50 now
1:12:50 I hope
1:12:50 this is
1:12:51 the last
1:12:51 thing
1:12:51 you have
1:12:51 to do
1:12:52 today
1:12:52 it’s
1:12:52 getting
1:12:52 late
1:12:53 there
1:12:54 no
1:12:55 actually
1:12:55 I hate
1:12:56 to say
1:12:56 it
1:12:56 but I
1:12:57 have
1:12:57 a
1:12:57 zoom
1:12:58 call
1:12:58 at
1:12:59 11
1:13:00 p.m.
1:13:00 what
1:13:01 with
1:13:01 my
1:13:03 special
1:13:04 people
1:13:04 in
1:13:05 Asia
1:13:05 oh
1:13:06 and if
1:13:06 I do
1:13:06 it
1:13:07 earlier
1:13:07 they have
1:13:08 to get
1:13:08 up at
1:13:08 three
1:13:08 in the
1:13:09 morning
1:13:09 and I
1:13:09 don’t
1:13:09 want
1:13:10 them
1:13:10 to do
1:13:10 that
1:13:11 and I’m
1:13:11 always
1:13:11 awake
1:13:12 at
1:13:12 11
1:13:12 o’clock
1:13:13 anyway
1:13:13 so I
1:13:14 thought
1:13:14 it’s
1:13:14 kinder
1:13:15 to
1:13:15 them
1:13:16 to
1:13:16 do
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1:13:49 Jane
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1:13:53 I’m
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1:14:13 bye
1:14:14 bye
1:14:15 I hope
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1:14:16 two
1:14:17 episodes
1:14:17 of the
1:14:18 remarkable
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1:14:20 Jane
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1:14:21 to close
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1:14:22 quote
1:14:22 from her
1:14:24 what
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1:14:33 the
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