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0:00:04 Hello boys and girls ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferriss. Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferriss show
0:00:10 It’s been a while where it’s my job to interview world-class performers from every imaginable discipline to tease out
0:00:15 You guessed it the habits routines favorite books and so on that you can apply to your own lives
0:00:22 750 or so episodes in counting so we’ve covered a lot of ground this time. We have a very special episode
0:00:29 This is always a listener favorite a recording with my close friend Kevin Rose Kevin Rose for those who don’t know
0:00:36 Kevin Rose everywhere. He is indeed a world-class entrepreneur serial founder
0:00:43 Investor in the smallest of seed rounds up to the largest of companies. He is a full spectrum full stack
0:00:47 Capitalist
0:00:55 But we did this interview in person at his house in the format of the random show and what we always do and we’ve done this for
0:01:04 10 years I suppose now we trade our latest discoveries our latest findings what our friends have sent to us and
0:01:08 I think it is one of our best. There’s tons of actionable takeaways
0:01:10 lots of laughing fits and
0:01:17 That might have something to do with the fact that Kevin invited his friend and bartender to serve us cocktails
0:01:21 We cover dozens of topics new projects what I’ve done on my recent sabbatical
0:01:29 Kevin’s latest findings and shenanigans real vampire protocols. Apparently, that’s a thing and much much more
0:01:34 It even includes some incredibly bizarre footage of Kevin having his face assaulted by experimental technology
0:01:38 we videotape that live together and
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0:07:48 Hello friends and family. Welcome to the random show. I am here in my studio with tim ferris. Tim, you’re here in my house
0:07:50 I know it’s so nice. I shouldn’t say that my studio is in my house
0:07:56 We can still see that’s fine, but uh, it’s in your back cave. I’m glad you’re here, brother
0:08:00 Yeah, it’s great to see you. I’m really really thrilled that it worked out and what better way
0:08:07 To get off of my podcast sabbatical done with saying hi to my good friend Kevin. How did that feel by the way?
0:08:13 So the sabbatical first time in 10 years that I’ve taken a break from the podcast and
0:08:16 It’s been four months roughly
0:08:19 of sharing a lot of the greatest hits and
0:08:25 It’s been a combination of feeling fantastic and I’ve been working on other projects that are
0:08:30 Really energy in for me my first new book in the seven years that I’ve been working on
0:08:32 That’s not a sabbatical by the way, but well
0:08:39 Usually though in fairness the word sabbatical is typically used in academic circles and when they take a break
0:08:46 From teaching they do other things, right? They they do other things and I think you and I for being honest are both
0:08:49 working dogs like we can take breaks, but it’s like you take a
0:08:52 you take some type of
0:08:56 Work and dog like a border call you stick it in your apartment in New York City and it doesn’t run and you’re like
0:09:02 Why is it chewing the couch? It has to run. So for me to do the deep work of
0:09:08 Book specifically is just a different shift a different gear than
0:09:11 Feeling the pressure of putting out a podcast once or twice a week
0:09:17 Do you think that idea of shifting between those two like podcasts and then book podcast book if you had to do that
0:09:21 It breaks up your train of thought too much so or so much so that you wouldn’t be able to have
0:09:28 Like do you need that undivided time you need the undivided? Okay, because that yeah, and I’ll make I’ll make a recommendation
0:09:34 Or something that makes it very clear. There’s an essay by Paul Graham. So co-founder of Y Combinator
0:09:40 Famous for many different reasons also spectacular writer very good painter also I believe but he
0:09:45 Wrote an essay called the top idea in your mind or a top idea in your mind
0:09:50 and it talks about effectively attention as a currency and the importance of
0:09:55 There’s a separate one makers schedule versus manager schedule something like that
0:10:01 But the importance of uninterrupted blocks of time particularly if for instance, you’re dealing with a complex project
0:10:04 This is true of coding for instance also true of writing
0:10:10 Where you’re juggling like 27 balls in the air right and if you get distracted you drop four
0:10:13 You have to start over again and you have to build that rhythm and it takes a really long time
0:10:19 Yeah, so if i’m thinking about the pressures of or the prep for even if i’m having fun of a podcast
0:10:26 It’s basically robbing myself of let’s just call it 20 30 40 50 percent of the subconscious cycles
0:10:30 That I could apply to the book even when i’m not thinking about it
0:10:35 I mean for something like this obviously we’re just bullshitting but like i’d imagine a typical guest for you on the kind of
0:10:40 Research and due diligence side is like, you know, is that a couple of days work for you?
0:10:43 In terms of like a couple of days in the case of some guests
0:10:46 It can be a few weeks. Yeah, if it’s way outside of my normal areas
0:10:54 And even if we look at a few days, it’s a lot of prep. It’s a lot of thinking about the interview
0:11:00 Even when i’m done prepping which avenues i might take based on answers that go in a particular direction
0:11:03 So I take the craft of podcasting very seriously
0:11:08 Although it’s been a chance also for me and I wanted to take this sabbatical not just to say work on the book
0:11:10 But to think about
0:11:12 First 10 years have been great
0:11:16 If I continue to do this, which I would like to do how do I keep it as
0:11:21 Exciting for me personally right as possible
0:11:23 And if I do that
0:11:27 Can I differentiate it in a podcast ecosystem that is increasingly
0:11:33 Yes, this is the reason I just stopped doing podcast. Yeah, well, I didn’t stop it
0:11:36 But I cut back to like one episode every six weeks
0:11:40 And it’s because when I have a guest on I totally get what you were saying because I remember
0:11:40 I hit you up
0:11:43 I had a dear friend that launched a new book and you’re like, hey, I’m not doing any new books
0:11:47 And when you look at that person great book. I loved it
0:11:52 They did 10 podcasts, right and they all talk about the same thing, right?
0:11:56 So then you’re just playing the like, okay, maybe I want tim’s version. Maybe I want, you know
0:12:03 Whoever else top 10 podcaster out there. Yeah, and but you’re you’re eating kung pao chicken no matter what right?
0:12:05 It’s just like whose sauce is slightly different exactly
0:12:10 And it doesn’t feel as additive to the ecosystem to just do the same thing that’s going around on the circuit
0:12:15 Yeah, let me get your take. Yeah, also for people listening. I would love your take
0:12:18 I mean, I’m doing a lot of reflection on my own. So I’m not just outsourcing this but
0:12:23 In terms of rules for myself moving forward. I’ve thought about a few things one is
0:12:28 to basically take a barbell approach where I’m interviewing people who
0:12:34 Effectively no one has ever heard of right. So who knows the popcorn king of milwaukie or whatever, right?
0:12:37 Some master who has not ever made the rounds, right?
0:12:41 Ideally it’s someone for instance who’s never done a long form interview like jackal willing the first time
0:12:46 He was on the podcast or whatever might be or on the opposite very far end
0:12:50 It’s someone almost everyone would know right like a bezos or a film of blank
0:12:56 But very little in between because the podcasting circuit has largely become
0:13:00 20 or 30 podcasts at a time of book authors
0:13:04 Doing the modern equivalent of a radio satellite tour right and
0:13:09 I just don’t particularly want to participate in that anymore. Yeah, right
0:13:15 But with the bezels I’d imagine like you’re not going to go like hey, tell me about cute four of last year at amazon
0:13:19 No, I’d want to make it more proud. Tell me about like, how was your divorce?
0:13:23 Like or you know like shit that like you could get into hopefully that is uniquely, you know
0:13:29 You haven’t heard anywhere else and I’d want it to be evergreen. Yeah, I really don’t want to and this is to my economic detriment
0:13:32 Right, but I don’t want to chase the current controversy of the day
0:13:35 I don’t want things that are going to expire in two months
0:13:39 I want my back catalog to be as interesting to people as the newer episodes
0:13:46 And that’s going to mean taking it probably a pretty major financial haircut, but I’m totally fine with that at this point because also
0:13:49 You have to think about say
0:13:54 If you’re thinking about the economic side of things like there’s the short term and there’s the long term, right if I get so
0:14:01 Apathetic or bored that I stopped doing the podcast. Well, that’s the end of the income period, right?
0:14:07 So if I ratchet it back 40 percent, let’s just say in terms of volume, but I do it for longer over time
0:14:13 And my audience can tell that I’m really excited about the episodes that I’m putting out which I in general have been
0:14:16 Yeah, there are very few compromises I’ve made but I can see the slippery slope
0:14:21 Of just taking whatever gets pitched to you by publicists for the latest and greatest book. Yeah, so
0:14:24 These are all considerations and I think that’s a great approach
0:14:31 I’d much rather see the the longevity of tim and higher quality episodes than just banging them out every single week
0:14:33 And I really I don’t feel like I’ve made
0:14:38 Many compromises, but there have been a few where I’m like, I don’t want to do this kind of interview again
0:14:41 Yeah, and I’ve also thought in terms of format of basically doing
0:14:47 Co-hosted catch-ups with friends. So for instance, I might have and none of these people have agreed
0:14:49 Well, actually, I’m not even going to mention names
0:14:53 But you can imagine some of my closest friends who’ve been on the podcast
0:14:58 Who are very very smart and good at asking questions. I catch up with them. They suggest a guest
0:15:00 They think we could interview together
0:15:05 That’s and then I’m catching up with a close friend while we’re interviewing. Oh, that’s cool. I think that would be great
0:15:09 I think that’d be super additive to my life. Yeah, and then hopefully that
0:15:17 Transmits in the same way that I think a large reason say the all-in podcast has become massively popular because of that interplay
0:15:22 And it’s fun. I always enjoy this type of banter. Yeah
0:15:26 And we got a lot to catch it up. So yeah, why don’t you hop in? So Addison are you around?
0:15:30 We have my dear friend Addison who lives here in LA who is a part-time
0:15:33 semi-professional bartender mixologist
0:15:40 Not really, but you know, he does that for fun and he also does an ai company part-time called pickstudio.ai
0:15:43 Which just came out with a new model
0:15:46 And you know how these ai models are changing so fast, right?
0:15:51 And so I would say, you know, when I was first messing around with this with him like a while ago
0:15:55 It was pretty good. It was good. It was like I used it as a headshot for a couple places, right?
0:15:58 But you could still kind of like look at it if you look if you squinted you’d be like, mmm ai, right?
0:16:03 Uncanny valley, right? Wait a second. So they came out the new model and I wanted to show you
0:16:06 We’ll see if Addison’s gonna make us some drinks as well. I want to show you a couple pictures of yourself
0:16:14 Dude, this is a brand new model. Shit. That’s insane. Is that insane and we’ll put these up on youtube and other places
0:16:20 So people can see the images. That’s terrifying. Dude, how real does that look? I’m looking good. I’m looking good.
0:16:22 This should be your new dating profile picture
0:16:29 No, that one’s a little preppy there. I’m a little I’m a little preppy. But you know, this is like the ocean looks nice
0:16:34 What’s crazy is the kind of full body dimension
0:16:36 Accuracy. Yeah, that’s nuts
0:16:41 Yeah, he was saying that you can like use the prompt now to say like this shirt type or like
0:16:45 Yeah, so your Steve Jobs. So looking at these photos, I would say
0:16:49 Even I would be like, wait a second
0:16:51 Did I ever take that photo?
0:16:53 No, that’s not me. That is
0:16:58 Terrifying. I know it’s terrifying. It’s awesome though at the same time. It’s awesome and terrifying
0:17:05 Yeah, and it’s and I mean in short order. We’re already seeing memes turned into videos. Yes, right. I mean, it’s gonna be
0:17:10 The wild west it’s already is it’s gonna be crazy. Speaking of looking good though
0:17:17 You’re looking great and I want to do your your your dating life updated. Oh, uh, but but we need a drink first. Awesome
0:17:20 Okay, Jesus one job
0:17:23 Two jobs AI in this
0:17:29 Okay, so speaking of looking good, you want to show off your new tattoo. Oh, yeah, I just got a little uh, crane here
0:17:34 Jess machete on uh on instagram. She’s amazing. Uh, new york-based tattoo artist
0:17:39 She’s done, uh, bruce willis a bunch of other really famous kind of people I was wondering why you had bruce willis on your forum
0:17:40 Yeah, exactly
0:17:42 How did you choose that?
0:17:47 You probably know this but in in japanese lore children’s books and others the crane is a symbol of
0:17:51 Because of its length that can span heaven and earth
0:17:57 And so it uses a bridge for souls to transfer between heaven and earth. I just like that lore. Yeah, it’s like it’s cool
0:18:01 And uh, so one day I think got the meditator done by her on the front of me as well
0:18:06 So wow got got both but she’s insanely insanely talented very talented. Yeah, beautiful artwork
0:18:08 We’ll link to her profile in the in the old show notes
0:18:11 So you were looking really good
0:18:15 On instagram and you posted that you got a vampire facial done
0:18:21 Yeah, vampire facial. Yeah, so I put up a photo which popped up on my phone
0:18:26 It was generated by the phone and it had you know today eight years ago
0:18:28 And it was a photo of me from eight years ago
0:18:33 And I realized which I more or less hoped would be the case and really pushed for which was like all right
0:18:35 I lost my hair pretty early and then I looked older than my friends
0:18:40 And I was like I just need to make it like the next 10 years and train my ass off and watch my diet
0:18:46 And I think I’ll kind of flat line or plateau in terms of how I look right and so the photos
0:18:52 Made it look I think like I had largely not aged in eight years. It looked amazing. It looked amazing. So I
0:18:54 put up
0:18:59 Eight years on the romanian vampire protocol trademark and then I put
0:19:06 Rvp and parentheses will do wonders for your skin and it was a total joke on my part right unbeknownst to me though
0:19:11 Well, you put you turned off comments too. I turned off comments. Yeah, there’s a long story behind that
0:19:15 We won’t get into but the reason that was funny is because so many people didn’t get any of the feedback
0:19:20 Giving the feedback there is a such thing as a vampire facial and you were joking and I looked at it
0:19:24 I was like, oh shit. Tim does the vampire too. I’m like, wow, he’s been doing it for a long time
0:19:28 He’s never told me about it. You know, so what is what is the vampire face? So about a month ago now
0:19:33 I was at the dermatologist and you know you go in once a year and get your all your warts and shit looked at to make sure
0:19:38 You don’t have a cancer and I go in there and they’re like, hey, like, you know, you want some good shit
0:19:40 You know like I had now that I’m looking at your eyes
0:19:46 We were talking about like crow’s feet and turning them back into crow knuckles. I don’t see anything. It looks good, right?
0:19:49 Yeah, you don’t even have crow knuckles. Thank you for the compliment. You’re welcome
0:19:53 But I will tell you that, you know the options they have are all of the la shit
0:19:58 Which I don’t want to do like I don’t want to get Botox all my face and shit. You don’t want to be a lizard cat
0:20:01 Walk among the lizard cat people
0:20:05 I mean it just looks horrible because like you can tell. Yeah, please don’t please don’t do that
0:20:09 But I’m sure you could get by with it for a couple years and then you then you look like a plastic dude
0:20:16 So now vampire because they are taking out your blood. Yes spinning it. Yes creating something known as platelet rich plasma
0:20:19 Yes, and you’ve had that done before when not the facial though
0:20:22 No, so tell people why you did it prior to
0:20:27 The four-hour body or in the process of writing the four-hour body, which is all about physical performance. Yeah
0:20:33 And modification and performance enhancement that book was published in 2010 and at the time
0:20:38 I was using prp because it had been used at that time for certain types of joint
0:20:46 Degeneration or orthopedic issues related to joints. So I had interarticular joint injections in the elbows shoulders
0:20:48 That’s not the one you got infected by was it one of them?
0:20:51 Was sadly
0:20:59 A disaster. Oh boy, and whenever you inject anything, there’s a chance that you introduce pathogens through the skin
0:21:04 Now what I did not realize at the time is that’s particular clinic who will remain unnamed
0:21:07 When they injected the elbow, they used the wrong
0:21:14 Injection site and so they disinfected the surface level of the skin, right? But there are so many
0:21:21 Layers to the skin and skin is so thick on the elbow that there were staph bacteria beneath that first disinfected area
0:21:27 The needle pushed that into the joint capsule and then within 48 hours my elbow is the size of
0:21:32 A volleyball. Yes, and I was chatting with a doctor friend of mine
0:21:35 Who this was probably 11 p.m. At night San Francisco. By the way, this is
0:21:40 12 years ago. This is something I get 12 years ago. Remember I came in visiting you at the hospital. What was that?
0:21:44 Oh, yeah, that’s right. And you squirted juice out of your mouth. That was gross
0:21:50 Yeah, so a few things happened. Number one is my very competent doctor friend said touch your elbow. Is it hot?
0:21:54 And I said, yes, and she said you need to go to the emergency room immediately
0:21:57 Here’s the one you should go to tell them this and I did
0:22:04 And a few hours later, they’re removing copious amounts of just disgusting. Yeah, so I’m in the room
0:22:07 Monster fluid you hit me up and you’re like, I’m in the emergency room or whatever
0:22:11 I’ve got this infection or whatever and I’m like, I should go check in on tim. I go down there
0:22:14 And I was I want to say
0:22:18 Didn’t some of it squirt against the wall? There was a syringe full of all this disgusting juice
0:22:24 And so I squirted it at you like a turkey, but it’s like, oh, thank you so much, sir
0:22:27 Thank you very much. Looks amazing
0:22:29 Oh, god, thank you. Thanks, brother. Yeah
0:22:31 Um, awesome. What is it? What is it?
0:22:35 Tequila martini cheers
0:22:42 This is your tequila too that you invested in. Oh, yeah, lalo tequila. Check it out. Only alcohol brand. I’ve ever invested in it. Thank you
0:22:47 Hmm. So yeah, you squirted staff infection at me. You fucker. I did
0:22:49 What?
0:22:55 Looking back at that, I’m like, that was a pretty dick thing to do. Yeah, I knew I was I wasn’t gonna get you in the eyes
0:22:57 I wasn’t gonna fend him of the opera you
0:23:03 Yeah, uh, but prp. Damn, this is a good drink. It is a great drink. Yeah, so prp to be clear. Number one
0:23:06 It’s your own blood. Yes. Number two
0:23:10 It can be in some instances really really effective for
0:23:14 Orthopedic issues, but there there’s quite a bit of published literature so you can look it up
0:23:18 But I was unfamiliar with the applications to the vampire facial
0:23:21 So I go in they draw about three vials of blood
0:23:25 They spin it they come back with something that looks like um grape juice in the vials
0:23:32 And then they they take a micro needling kind of like it almost looks like a some type of like automatic toothbrush or a tattoo gun
0:23:34 Almost yeah, and then they go across your face
0:23:40 And they first like the pepper all these little tiny micro holes and then they lather it with all the prp
0:23:44 And then you go home and you’re a little like bruised up and stuff like that and then
0:23:48 A week later like some of the lines like just like start to get reduced. Yeah, I’m actually kind of
0:23:54 Shocked looking at your beautiful baby eyes. Thank you. Yeah, they’re gonna do four of them in total. I had to get the package
0:23:57 You save you save some money. You got like 20% off. It was a good it was a good package
0:24:02 So, you know, it’s like for me. I’m like, dude, I’m fine getting old if anyone’s listening to this
0:24:05 Be like, oh, they’re being too vain or whatever. I’m fine with that. I don’t care if I get wrinkles on that
0:24:10 That said, you know a couple more years of like just like looking okay. He’s like doesn’t hurt anybody
0:24:15 It’s natural. It’s my own shit. You know, don’t like I don’t know. So
0:24:17 Helps with the dating life
0:24:22 Well, I yeah modern dating, you know, we don’t have to spend a lot of time on it a little bit though
0:24:26 Tell me what it’s like on the other side. What’s it like on the other side? You went to paris
0:24:31 Well, I went to paris. How was that and actually I want to give them a shout out
0:24:35 I stayed at all the women in paris. No, not all the women in paris
0:24:42 I went to an artist’s commune effectively or a utopian community. They might not like this descriptions, but
0:24:44 Well, it’s a it’s an old chateau
0:24:50 Called fatopia like in that money python in the holy grail where that guy gets stuck in that
0:24:53 Do you know what I’m talking about where he gets stuck in the castle and they’re all we are all but
0:24:55 20 to 30 year old women
0:25:02 He’s stuck in there. Yeah, I mean that was the hope but it was it was a broader spectrum of participants
0:25:09 And I have really been making an effort and I think there’s a a religious war foot which is
0:25:14 Well, there are many religious wars, right? There’s like sleep training versus attachment style parenting
0:25:20 People love factions and fighting. Yes another one is and I’ve been thinking about writing a blog post about this
0:25:27 Let’s just call it romance versus radical planning. So when I talk about some of the more systematic ways that I’m approaching dating
0:25:30 What some people will say is that’s so unromantic
0:25:33 Yeah, to which I usually reply now
0:25:35 What does romantic mean?
0:25:39 Walk me through what a week of taking a romantic approach would look like interesting
0:25:42 Usually they don’t have an answer what they mean is serendipity like etc
0:25:48 Exactly and I am providing space for that like going to paris or outside of paris
0:25:51 To something like fatopia, which was an amazing experience
0:25:57 But I think also if you are let’s just say I’ll think this
0:25:59 Out loud
0:26:04 If you’re in college or if you’re in a company and you’re right out of college
0:26:09 There’s a lot of natural inbuilt serendipity or if you live in a place like Manhattan
0:26:11 Yeah, a lot of people are single around your age
0:26:16 Exactly around your age around your age. You do social meetups all the time. You don’t have things to do it now
0:26:19 You don’t have kids yet. Exactly. So there’s a lot of space
0:26:24 For serendipity. Let’s just say you already have inbuilt 30 50 60 percent serendipity
0:26:29 Where if you want to meet literally a hundred plus new people a month, it’s very easy
0:26:35 As you get older as your friends, I’ll do respect beautiful face aside age out
0:26:37 Basically, they’re not going to be making introductions to
0:26:44 Maybe women who are in the age range. I would be aiming for because I’d like to have a few kids biologically
0:26:47 Yeah, so you’re dipping down a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, right and 20s
0:26:54 No, I mean look, I look up sure. I mean maybe in the 28 to 35 range, right somewhere in there
0:26:59 36 you’d be like, all right, maybe I want somebody who’s ready very
0:27:07 Ready excited to build a family and also has a good sense of their own identity feels confident in being good at having
0:27:12 Developed skills or passions in certain areas. I want them to feel
0:27:17 Very happy with what they’ve done so they don’t have say resentment later
0:27:21 If you feel like they’ve given up everything as it was just getting started. It’s a great point
0:27:26 So you want someone that’s kind of like they’ve probably even established a career at this point if that’s what they’ve chosen to do
0:27:30 They’re like they’re confident who they are. They’re like, okay. I’m you know mid 30s
0:27:33 I’m thinking about kids in the next couple of years like that kind of situation
0:27:38 Yeah, exactly. Okay, but I’ve realized for instance except gone on a few dates with lawyers or
0:27:46 Doctors in those age ranges. They’ve been through so much schooling. They’re just getting out of the gate and starting to get traction
0:27:51 So it’s very hard. I think for a woman in that position to think about having kids in the next three years
0:27:55 Right very hard, right after so much investment in their
0:28:00 Education and career and so on. So it’s been a learning process. I’ve met a lot of amazing people
0:28:02 I think
0:28:02 that
0:28:08 Frankly if I want to really double and triple down, I just have to spend a bunch of time in a few major cities
0:28:14 What’s the biggest turnoff for you when you sit down on a date and somebody says something or does something like what’s your
0:28:16 What’s your number one like anything I don’t work?
0:28:22 Well, there are a lot of little things, but I think most people would find these
0:28:29 Irritating right if someone’s late repeatedly and they don’t let you know until the time you’re supposed to need
0:28:32 That’s just I’m a very punctual. That’s just not being an adult
0:28:36 I want to be with an adult right who is responsible if we’re going to build a family together
0:28:38 I need to know you have your shit together
0:28:40 Interesting. Yeah, that’s fair
0:28:44 I feel the same way if I’m even like a buddy if I’m running five minutes late
0:28:48 I’m like, hey right around the corner blah blah. Yeah, and if if someone’s repeatedly late it
0:28:55 Means they probably haven’t operated in higher stress situations or environments because
0:28:59 You get punished for that, right? Yeah, it doesn’t work
0:29:03 So that’d be one and also I would say that
0:29:07 For me, I’m looking for someone who is a compliment
0:29:13 Not a duplicate, right? I’m not like Tim Ferriss with long hair is my ultimate nightmare. Like I don’t need to date that person
0:29:16 No, we’d kill each other. Yeah, right. So
0:29:23 That varies person to person but for me that means someone let’s just say you have a spectrum
0:29:28 Like a slider in the middle. This is my my working theory. It seems to hold up
0:29:34 So if you had a slider in the middle, you have just let’s just call it perfect androgyny and let we won’t stumble over the terms if
0:29:36 If you want exact definitions, just choose your own
0:29:40 But let’s just say that’s perfect 50 50 feminine masculine characteristics
0:29:45 And then as you move out in either direction, you kind of about 100 masculine 100 feminine. Yes
0:29:51 I think you don’t you don’t tell me you want 50 50. No, no, I don’t want 50 50
0:29:54 What I’ve seen in couples that really really work. Well, yeah, is they tend to be
0:29:59 Equally distant from the center. Oh, interesting. And by the way, that’s not a gendered thing
0:30:03 Like you could have for instance, I know couples where like the male is really
0:30:07 Playful a b and c has characteristics might be
0:30:09 Traditionally defined as feminine
0:30:17 Wife is like c o o ones the ship. That’s fine. Yeah, but they’re equally distant from that center point, right and that
0:30:24 Equivalent polarity seems to work that is fascinating because I’ve had this conversation where
0:30:30 I find that if you are so in the center and you’re like 50 50 and no one is stepping up
0:30:36 To be either masculine or feminine in a traditional kind of like male-female role that we’re talking about here
0:30:40 Obviously, there’s so many other ones out there. It’s very confusing. Yeah, because you’re like well either
0:30:46 You do something or I need to do something, but it’s like what is this like this kind of like boring middle
0:30:52 Do you see I’m saying? Yeah, totally. I mean, I think if you look at primates you look at humans
0:30:54 It’s like we like to know sort of where we
0:30:58 Stand or like what we’re supposed to do. What is our job?
0:31:02 And so I think that can take a lot of different forms
0:31:07 Energetically like let’s take gender out of it like even within a company, right? Like if it’s a pure
0:31:14 Flat meritocracy no job titles if things get amorphous, it’s going to be very confusing a hundred percent
0:31:17 So I do think there’s a comfort that can come
0:31:20 That is hard to put words to
0:31:26 With matched polarity. Yeah, which again, it’s not a gendered thing. It’s more like a constellation of characteristics
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0:32:48 Should we shift gears a little bit? Yeah, let’s do it. Thank god. Give me off the hot. Yeah, I was gonna ask how the paris
0:32:54 Dating scene was yeah, so I want to make a couple of recommendations. Yes, please. Then I got something. Do you know who bobby fingers is?
0:32:56 Sounds familiar. So
0:33:02 Always a safe thing to say. I think I’ve heard of him. Yeah, tell me more. So bobby fingers
0:33:07 is one of my favorite discoveries on youtube of the last decade
0:33:11 And uh, he is one of the most
0:33:13 unbelievably
0:33:17 Skilled artists craftsman sculptor
0:33:19 polymaths
0:33:22 He’s also hilarious and his writing is incredible
0:33:24 is a performer and
0:33:29 Makes the most bizarre shit you’ve ever seen in your life. So they’re like 10 to 30 minute long
0:33:35 descriptions of him making something beautiful and then like hiding it by burying it somewhere
0:33:42 And there’s one of the let’s say the scene with michael jackson where his hair catches on fire and he’s been building this entire entire diorama
0:33:44 There’s one of the mel Gibson
0:33:46 dui stop from way back in the day
0:33:48 and
0:33:50 I would say that
0:33:55 If you want to see something that I think is pure genius. So is this a video or what is this exactly?
0:33:59 Yeah, it’s a video channel. So if you go to bobby fingers at bobby fingers on
0:34:03 YouTube you can find on patreon as well patreon.com/bobbyfingers
0:34:07 youtube.com/@bobbyfingers and
0:34:11 This guy should have in my opinion hundreds of millions of views
0:34:17 What’s he at now? Is it like bigger? I mean for what he’s doing. I think it is so hard to categorize
0:34:25 That it hasn’t had as much spread as it does. 195 thousand followers still decent. Oh, he’s doing well. Yeah, but I really feel
0:34:31 A moral maybe amoral slash immoral obligation to recommend people go check this out. Oh, this is amazing
0:34:34 There will be plenty to offend everyone, but it is so genius
0:34:39 And unlike anything I’ve ever seen in my life. I strongly recommend people check it out and
0:34:45 Two of my favorites. There are many good ones, but I would say Michael Jackson or mel Gibson are a great place to start
0:34:50 That’s awesome. All right. I will check that out. Have you by the way, were you doing a zimpic in this shot or oh, wow?
0:34:51 Look at that
0:34:57 I’m so glad AI shaved my chest for me too. I’m looking good. Dude, that is legit
0:35:04 Yeah, I mean that’s if you were 007. I mean honestly, what’s crazy to me about that is how much you actually look like that
0:35:07 How much how great I look in those speedos
0:35:14 But separately is the lighting. Yeah, it looks real. That’s really
0:35:17 You want to go back to the gym? I
0:35:20 Mean why go to the gym when I can just put that exactly actually I’ve been training
0:35:23 I’ve been training very hard recently
0:35:27 And feeling very good. I’m not taking this epic, but I have been
0:35:33 Using a few different tools that I thought people might find. Yeah, that’s interesting. So one which was recommended to me by
0:35:38 A two-time silver medalist in olympic archery. Jake Kaminsky
0:35:45 I would also recommend people check out his channel if you want to learn anything about archery, especially recurve
0:35:47 he is
0:35:53 Amazing both as a performer proven performer bed as a teacher. So Jake Kaminsky with a bunch of eyes Kaminsky
0:36:00 He recommended the outdoorsman atlas trainer frame system. So what is this? I’ll tell you the problem it solves
0:36:05 So I owned a bunch of rocking sacks. Yes, these are backpacks. I rock too with weights in them
0:36:08 And there are a few issues with
0:36:15 The sacks that I’ve owned to date one is that they’re usually a set weight. You can swap out these huge square plates
0:36:19 Secondly, they don’t necessarily have a waist or kidney belt
0:36:26 So the weight is on your shoulders and not also share it on your hips, right? And this particular system
0:36:32 Is effectively a frame hiking backpack. That’s what very well constructed, right?
0:36:36 And it has plate loading on your back. So you can put olympic plates on it
0:36:43 So any weight plates you might have in a gym or that you might buy dick sporting goods or whatever that you could use for barbell
0:36:50 You can slap onto this thing. Oh, that’s amazing. So you can adjust it in amazing increments and then use progressive resistance
0:36:55 Now, do you want more weight on your hips? I know I know for like don’t get me wrong
0:36:59 Like obviously like long-term 50 mile hikes or whatever we want to get the weight onto the hips
0:37:03 You know, I got my dexa scan done, which I’m sure you’ve done before low radiation
0:37:07 It calculates all different types of muscle and fat types and bone density
0:37:13 My bone density is going down. Yeah, me too. And one of the things that attia told me and his staff was like
0:37:20 Rocking get weight on the bones so that you can like, you know, maintain that bone density
0:37:22 Why throw it on the hips when I leave it on the shoulders?
0:37:27 All right. So there are a few reasons for that the first is we’ve talked about this a lot on this show and offline too
0:37:35 I’ve had it’s improved dramatically. But for the last two years, I mean, I’ve been plagued by incredibly painful chronic low back pain
0:37:37 You’ve had back issues for a long time, dude
0:37:43 Especially the last two years to the point where there have been moments say you’re a year and a half ago where I couldn’t stand
0:37:45 Or sit for more than five minutes
0:37:48 And that’s right. Did you you were carrying around that little ball or something what you put behind your back?
0:37:52 Wasn’t there something? Yeah, I still have that for for really uncomfortable seats
0:37:54 If I have to be on say a plane for a few hours or something like that
0:37:58 Use a little Pilates ball, which you can fold up and stick in your pocket. It’s actually great for lumbar support
0:38:02 But the point is I am specifically training for
0:38:09 A hunt that I have at the end of this month. I do not hunt often the first hunt I ever did was for the four-hour chef
0:38:14 long ago that was 2012 but I would have done it probably 2010 or 2011
0:38:22 And I just feel very good about sourcing ethical clean meat with wild harvesting
0:38:27 And in this case, it’s an elk hunt. I’ve done exclusively bow for probably close to 10 years now
0:38:30 But part of that well, some of the endangered species stuff you do though. I just
0:38:35 I know I don’t know why you sent back my snow leopard pancakes
0:38:40 Yeah, no in this case you do it the right way you get tags everything is wildlife management
0:38:44 But if you’re going to do that you’re going to be at high altitude
0:38:48 You’re going to be in this case it’s called bivvy hunting. I’m going to be carrying everything
0:38:51 How do you have so many flies in your pristine California?
0:38:54 record studio
0:38:57 In any case it likes you. I know I love you to fly
0:39:01 So you’re going to be carrying basically your camp with you every day
0:39:05 And that’s probably going to be between nine and 12,000 feet above sea level
0:39:10 And then if you harvest an animal you’re going to be field dressing it breaking it down into pieces
0:39:12 And you might be carrying an additional 50 pounds
0:39:15 You don’t want all that on your shoulders. That would also be a very bad idea for me
0:39:20 Not that you would do it anyway in that circumstance to load that on my shoulders
0:39:23 Which would place a lot of that on my lower back which is compromised. I have some
0:39:29 Pathological issues with my low back and my si joint. So I shift a lot of it to the hips
0:39:31 You are taking some of it on the shoulders
0:39:34 You don’t have any meat sherpas or anything that go with you
0:39:39 I think we might have one or two people who are there just to be part of the trip and might help with carrying
0:39:43 But you have to keep in mind like if you take down a larger
0:39:47 Bull elk you might have I mean hundreds of pounds of meat. How do you keep that meat fresh?
0:39:51 There’s a number of different no number of different ways you might approach it
0:39:56 Given the time of year and the elevation it’s going to get pretty cold
0:40:00 so a lot of folks first would hang the meat as they’re sort of
0:40:06 Deconstructing the animal in the field and let it cool down then you put it into
0:40:11 Meat bags, which look like big socks effectively and then how they’re going to actually
0:40:15 Protect that a camp or how they’ll place it etc remains to be seen
0:40:23 I am always going out with people who are effectively professional outdoorsmen who make I’m always the slow fat kid always
0:40:29 So part of the reason I’m training my ass off is to not completely embarrass the person who invited me
0:40:33 That’s going to be awesome though. Yeah, that’s fun. Yeah, it’s great. So I’m doing a lot of rocking
0:40:40 Also doing a lot of training on activating say glute medias performance
0:40:43 Hip internal external rotators and the more I do that
0:40:51 The less the obliques and other muscles turn on to compensate and stabilize the low back and the less low back pain
0:40:53 I have so that’s been another big
0:40:55 Breakthrough in terms of the low back issues
0:40:57 But honestly if you do some rocking
0:41:02 Maybe some kettlebell swings once or twice a week some push-ups and some core work. You’re done
0:41:07 Like you’re really hitting everything. Yeah, I love rocking. Rocking has been kind of my three to five days a week
0:41:13 Four miles each time with elevation and it’s just like you just in an hour and a half
0:41:20 Oh, we got a new corner. We got refill coming in hot. What is this? Okay? Sorry. I know you like tequila
0:41:23 I’m sorry to pause. Yeah. Yeah
0:41:26 This is called
0:41:28 Fairbanks fair banks. What’s in it?
0:41:31 Apricot liqueur. Well, this is one of your favorites. I know this one
0:41:33 Yeah
0:41:38 bitters and rye whiskey rye apricot liqueur and thank thank you bitters and rye whiskey
0:41:41 Oh, yeah, I appreciate that. Cheers
0:41:45 Yeah, exactly. Tim has the board of flight after this week. Here we go
0:41:48 Fireball shots
0:41:50 Cheers Kevin. Hmm. Cheers
0:41:54 There we go reaction shot
0:41:57 This is one of his favorite drinks to make
0:42:03 It’s not too sweet. Isn’t that good and it has the fancy ice cubes, too
0:42:07 Yeah, spirit forward. That’s in my dating bio
0:42:11 Exactly
0:42:13 So we’re Paris for the
0:42:16 Well, hold on. Just tell me tell me what they look like because they’re they got a good fashion sense of well, you know
0:42:20 part of what I was interested to see I spent almost eight weeks in europe was
0:42:26 How does dating differ in different places in europe? There’s a little softer out there though. You like that? Not necessarily. Not necessarily. No
0:42:32 So it varies tremendously by country. I would say and of course there’s a huge range within each country but say in
0:42:39 Dating in france is very different from dating in madrid, which is very different from dating in in other places
0:42:41 It really varies tremendously
0:42:44 but part of what i’m
0:42:47 hoping for is finding someone and these these women exist but
0:42:54 A lot of women understandably for a million reasons feel very conflicted and are put in I think a difficult position, frankly
0:42:58 When thinking about career kids basically trying to do
0:43:06 More than any person in history had to do like before 50 years ago. All right, let’s not go back into this
0:43:09 No, i’m just saying that I hear what you’re saying. Yeah, I get it’s very challenging
0:43:13 So what what I want to get a real clear signal on is that somebody is excited
0:43:16 To be a mom in the same way that i’m excited to be a dad
0:43:21 And that it’s not well all my friends are getting married. I guess this is what you do, right?
0:43:23 Even though i’m gonna make all these compromises and might resent it later
0:43:32 I don’t want to subject a kid to that. Yes potential risk, right? It’s wise of you. Yeah, so
0:43:35 So that’s what i’m looking for and uh, but it’s nuts
0:43:41 There isn’t some garden of Eden where you magically just walk down whole foods and pick up, you know women like that
0:43:47 But there are some significant cultural differences from place to place. Yeah, all right. We’ll see. Yeah, let’s uh, let’s move on
0:43:49 All right, so I have a gift for you. I have a gift
0:43:54 What kind of you? Oh, wow, this is called a fino. Oh my god. This is my buddy’s
0:44:00 Uh new startup. Okay, and in the thank you self experimenting kind of crazy vein of things
0:44:05 I want to show you this now fino feno. Yeah, so this is okay. This is a beta
0:44:11 Yeah, okay, so you can’t laugh at me because remember you’re gonna be doing this by yourself. Okay, it’s not like a flashlight or anything
0:44:14 Okay
0:44:22 So this is a medically proven way to brush your entire mouth in 20 seconds. Wow. Okay, so
0:44:26 So watch this. Oh, wow, you’re gonna try it. Yeah, I’ll take a look at this here
0:44:31 You put a little foam in here. Yeah, and so there’s this they have this little app that custom creates a mold
0:44:33 I asked me to buy this from an ad on porn hub
0:44:37 So
0:44:39 This is gonna look a little
0:44:41 mouth
0:44:43 aggressive
0:44:48 Okay, so if you’re watching the video forward mouth aggressive that’s also my bio exactly
0:44:55 So what you do is that this was created by a couple founders that you obviously were one of them was the dentist and they figured out that
0:45:00 You know compliance is really hard with people say everyone says they floss. They don’t you know like I do but do you floss?
0:45:03 Oh, like seven times a day
0:45:09 So so check this out. So I put this in my mouth and this is gonna wrap around both sides. How are you? How are you gonna rinse that?
0:45:12 I don’t know. All right, let’s see. Let’s see this is gonna be good. Oh
0:45:14 Oh
0:45:33 I couldn’t stop it
0:45:37 I know what you’re thinking
0:45:40 You definitely bought that on porn hub
0:45:44 No, I do not but it works surprisingly well
0:45:51 I’ll try it. I got one for you. Thank you. I gotta say that I do love it has sensors in there
0:45:56 I know I bet it does you’re doing it by yourself. So you don’t look like you’re getting mouth right every time
0:45:58 I can see you winking. I can see you winking
0:46:05 It is aggressive, but I will say that aggressive. It is very it does a very good job cleaning aggressive, but effective
0:46:11 Aggressive but effective and it’s 20 seconds, which is great. They have sensors that actually scan your gums look at gum health and can
0:46:14 Send that back to your doctor. What so on that device on the device built into the device
0:46:19 And so your doctor can actually see recession and like things start happening with your gums
0:46:23 So it’s like a very tech forward device, you know, I had my first real surgery
0:46:27 That’s when I was a kid for receding gingiva. I actually had a huge
0:46:32 piece of my upper well, I guess your only palette removed and grafted
0:46:36 Onto my lower like sugar and shit. Like what were you doing? No, it’s just genetic
0:46:41 Like my gums were receding when I was a kid. It was I don’t know how old I was maybe 12 something like that
0:46:48 It was brutal. That’s the first time I’ve ever done that. That was uh, oh vigorous. Yeah, it’s uh, it’s like
0:46:53 I was so it’s stretched upset that I did not video that from this direction
0:46:59 Oh, that’s the slo-mo we need that slo-mo. So there’s the intro to the episode
0:47:04 Listen, hey, you know, what’s funny is like when I was put together these stories for the random show
0:47:09 I’m like, I love if you look back historically and all the years we’ve been doing this episode
0:47:14 We’ve had some of the most craziest stupidest shit and talked about the dumbest stuff
0:47:17 I mean, we already today talked about you squirting your freaking infectious fluid
0:47:22 My body like we’ve done some weird shit. And so I always try and like to find stuff
0:47:28 I mean, this is like both cool every once in a while one of those things five years later. Look at that everywhere
0:47:33 Exactly. Remember dude, I talked about ethereum for the first time on the show before launched. When was that? That was
0:47:39 God, that was a long time ago. I was when I was still living in my first place in san francisco
0:47:42 I watched the clip and I’m like, oh, there’s this one cryptocurrency. Yeah, you shouldn’t do it and care about it
0:47:45 And you’re like, no, no, no. Tell me. Tell me and I’m like, well, I hasn’t launched yet. You’re like, what is it?
0:47:47 I’m like, well, it’s called ethereum. When was that that was like
0:47:50 25 it had to be like
0:47:54 Yeah, 2014 or something. I mean, it was way back then. It was way back in the day
0:47:57 I remember exactly where we were sitting by the fireplace in my first rental
0:48:02 In san francisco. That’s a cool spot. Yeah. All right, your turn. What do you got? My turn
0:48:05 I would say
0:48:10 That I can’t say too much about it. You’re gonna hate that but we never asked what your book was about but anyway
0:48:16 I can’t really so I never talk. I’ll talk about a superstition that may actually have something to it
0:48:21 So I as well as a handful of other authors. I know really well who’ve written a lot of books
0:48:24 feel like there is such a thing as
0:48:29 Let’s call it memetic release and what I mean by that is
0:48:32 I think it’s fairly
0:48:36 Frequently observed that you’ll have some in as an example
0:48:43 Intractable scientific problem or some scientific problem that researchers around the world are grappling with
0:48:46 And there’s almost no
0:48:52 apparent major progress made for years and years and years and then within the same two week period people in all these different locations
0:48:58 Suddenly make breakthroughs. What is happening there and what I have observed and again
0:49:04 This is getting into maybe what people would consider magical thinking, but I can’t explain it doesn’t mean there isn’t an explanation
0:49:10 When people talk about ideas that idea seems to suddenly pop up in a lot of other places
0:49:14 Now you could make the argument that that’s maybe expectancy bias, right? You buy a
0:49:19 If you buy a Hyundai, it’s a red Hyundai. Then all you see is red. Then you all you see is red. Hyundai’s right
0:49:21 So there could be an element of that
0:49:24 But there seems to be more to it, which is part of the reason why
0:49:30 I don’t talk about the key core concepts in a book before I release something
0:49:37 But I will say in terms of progress in case anybody’s wondering have probably five to six hundred pages drafted
0:49:39 Oh, shit. It’s a big block got a lot. Yeah
0:49:42 I mean all my books are phone books and that is going to cut down probably
0:49:47 Well, actually, it’s probably going to get to like 800 and then I’ll get cut down to like 500 or 400
0:49:49 Did you use any AI?
0:49:54 In crafting this I did not nothing not yet. Okay, not yet. Will you apply that to some of the chapters?
0:49:57 I might I might apply it. I might apply it
0:50:00 In combination with test readers
0:50:08 Looking for gaps in the material basically use AI as a critic right and try to find gaps
0:50:15 That would be ultimately helpful to mainstream or a larger audience of readers. I could see using it that way
0:50:19 I did a really cool thing the other day where I took a credit custom chat gpt
0:50:23 And I uploaded I went back and I looked at every
0:50:29 Single book that Warren Buffett had ever recommended. Okay the intelligent investor like all these, right?
0:50:33 And I found the pds from all there because they’re like you can use google and they’re there
0:50:38 And I uploaded them all to the chat gpt. All right, and I said you’re my investment advisor
0:50:40 What should I do in this particular situation?
0:50:46 And I’m asking questions of this custom saved chat gpt based on all of Buffett’s favorite books
0:50:50 It’s freaking fascinating. You know, you probably also do is take all his annual letters. Oh, yeah
0:50:55 100% I have that there’s a book about his annual letters and I uploaded it into it. They agree and cover. Yeah, they’re in there
0:50:58 Yeah, yeah, so that’s so cool. What happened?
0:51:01 Well, I just got some insights like I was asking like my lose
0:51:04 Yeah, it turns out index funds all says back to me. Yeah
0:51:10 Um, it’s like you idiot stop don’t outsmart yourself. Yeah, but I mean there’s very specific questions
0:51:14 You have around, you know timing of markets or not not that I didn’t ask that particular question
0:51:16 But like, you know things around the markets where you’re like, okay
0:51:23 How do you feel about our current state when we think there’s gonna the Fed is going to cut rates over the next 12 months?
0:51:29 You know, what do you think about bonds blah blah and it just like spits back very intelligent responses based on historic data
0:51:35 Which I find is just like, I mean that is so cool. That’s really cool. Anyway, I’m excited for your book
0:51:41 When will it launch though? When wouldn’t we talking? I mean you’re 500 and 600 pages in so I’ve been thinking about
0:51:46 A few different options one is doing it the way that I have done it in the past which is
0:51:50 To release it all at once as a book launch
0:51:56 There will definitely be some new experimental wrinkles to that no matter what traditional publisher because before you did amazon
0:52:02 Once you did well, I did amazon publishing which at that time you could consider a traditional publisher
0:52:05 So the instructor was very similar. They just had the distribution advantage of Amazon
0:52:12 This time around we’ll see. I mean I could very easily see doing ebook audio on my own
0:52:17 Or through an amazon platform and then possibly doing a print only deal
0:52:22 Or doing print on demand frankly like the quality print on demand has improved so much. Yes
0:52:28 It’s absolutely perfectly sufficient. Dude. I was at Ryan holidays. I went to his bookstore outside of austin which is amazing
0:52:34 Painted porch. It’s a great great bookstore. He has the best bookstore. What a life. I love him. He’s such a good dude
0:52:38 I went to his bookstore and beautiful. It’s it’s it’s such a beautifully curated
0:52:44 Art project. Yes that is driven by him. Yes, if you want to see sort of a new
0:52:50 Manifestation of the best of old-school bookstores visit painted porch
0:52:56 Yeah, and it’s like about a half hour to 40 minute drive outside of austin. He’s got cats walking around there
0:52:59 It’s all of his favorite books. He even has cats. Yeah
0:53:02 There’s even cats for the cat lovers
0:53:08 But the thing I would say that was really cool is that he actually had his books printed like higher in versions of his books
0:53:10 Like leather bound like super high-end versions
0:53:14 That he had done that were just insane quality. Yeah, beautiful
0:53:17 Like and those are kind of like as you need them like kind of like on demand
0:53:21 You know, it’s a bit of a trivia for folks. Well, I’ll give trivia on trivia
0:53:25 So trivia try via wreath three roads
0:53:31 It’s actually these little chockeys that travelers would put down for good luck on their path at intersections of paths
0:53:35 That’s where trivia comes from but separately the painted porch
0:53:37 refers to
0:53:40 stoicism which comes from the greek stoa
0:53:45 because early iterations of the philosophical tenets of
0:53:49 Stoicism were taught in this open-air porched area
0:53:52 So that is why his bookstore is called the painted porch
0:53:58 We got 14 year old toaster almost 14 year coming to visit us. You’re saying he’s he’s totally deaf
0:54:02 But he’s totally still remembers me. It came up like my face. You know, he did he’s done courses of rapamycin
0:54:08 Oh, yeah, yeah, so I put him on it a few years ago and and it seems to be working. I mean, dude, you see him
0:54:15 He’s moving around great. He’s almost 14. I know this brings back so many memories. I mean back way way back in the day
0:54:20 I’m looking at daria. Hi daria. I remember recording on your couch. This was back still a dig dig days
0:54:22 and
0:54:28 And toaster is a little pupper and he was chewing on the xlr cable and almost killed our podcast and killed himself
0:54:35 Yes, and here he is all these years later wagging his tail. Yeah, I caught him like halfway through one time a an actual full
0:54:37 like
0:54:39 Voltage cable
0:54:44 And it’s just like yeah, it was so rabbit my sin. We’ve probably talked about before but people can check out
0:54:48 I’m not sure what this current status is but the dog aging project. I did a podcast with matt caberlin
0:54:55 University of washington you and I both support that funding wise to fund that and power that study. Yep. Yeah, so they’re tia
0:54:57 so did
0:54:58 brian
0:55:04 Armstrong from coinbase like that we all kind of shipped in to see what would happen really really really fascinating work
0:55:08 So people are interested in rapamycin for potential longevity applications
0:55:13 Can take a look at that. I didn’t interview separately with matt caberlin, which I really really enjoyed
0:55:18 What else do you have? I have one quick update one just for for people to check out
0:55:24 So original love henry shookman’s new book who is my zen master got to give him a plug. He’s such an awesome human guy
0:55:25 and uh
0:55:29 His his app the way fantastic meditation app you and I are both investors in
0:55:31 Always want to give henry some love because he’s such a good soul
0:55:36 He’s fantastic. You did some mix. So that’s called original love. Yeah, all right
0:55:41 You did some training recently and you sent me the schedule the daily schedule
0:55:43 What did your daily schedule look like and how long did it last?
0:55:48 So I went to a five day silent meditation retreat with his
0:55:53 Master who is the head of the zen sect out of japan flew in for this into sanofenio, mexico
0:56:00 And so I will tell you when you sit with henry and you do i’ve done a seven day silent retreat with him in the past
0:56:03 If it’s just mountain cloud zen center, which is his zen center
0:56:08 It’s probably four hours of sitting a day and then there’s like, you know walking meditation and a stretching thing
0:56:14 Like when the zen master is there like when the guy from japan’s there like it’s like legit
0:56:15 Hell week
0:56:17 It’s hell week for meditation
0:56:22 So I was up at five a.m. Every morning and I didn’t get to bed till probably like released at like 8 30
0:56:25 And I was sitting for most of the day. So one thing I wanted to ask you about
0:56:29 Because I saw it in there. There’s a lot of sitting meditation. I’m like, okay
0:56:32 That sounds uncomfortable doing that for eight hours a day
0:56:35 Which you know, I tried once people who want to read about my like complete
0:56:38 You were also doing mushrooms at the same time and fasting for like six days
0:56:41 Yeah, people want to read about myself inflicted implosion. That’s in a separate interview
0:56:43 But
0:56:45 The
0:56:52 Chanting before meal time. Yeah, what’s the story here in zen traditional monasteries and whatnot where they have actual monks
0:56:55 There is a lot of it’s it’s only like 10 minutes. It’s just kind of
0:57:02 Reciting try chanting for 10 minutes. Tell me it’s only no, but it’s just like reciting a lot of the the precepts and a lot of like
0:57:04 Is it in english japanese?
0:57:07 Uh, sometimes in japanese some of the english depending on who’s running it
0:57:11 Do you have a little like song book that you read from? Okay, it’s when it’s in japanese 100%
0:57:14 Yeah, I don’t even know what i’m saying. It could be like large schonky cock
0:57:20 McDonald’s schonky cock garbage bag. Yeah, so triceratops
0:57:26 I don’t know what to say, but it’s it’s quite nice. It’s just like a way to kind of like in cap a set
0:57:30 You know and then and then move into the next thing so good after being totally silent
0:57:36 Oh my god, just to like hear some voices. I know I went out afterwards because I was waiting for my plane to
0:57:40 Fly out and I went to this place because santa fe is known for their like chilis
0:57:44 Like they’re good chilis and I had like because like you eat vegetarian food the entire week
0:57:47 Yeah, I was immediately wondering how’d that go for you? Oh, dude
0:57:51 I went straight to a double chili burger and a large IPA like straight up the gate
0:57:57 Um, which is probably you sent photos. Yeah. Yeah, I’m sure I did. Yeah you to you in soca. Yeah
0:58:02 That’s all right. Oh, yeah, so was that disaster pants at 30 000 feet
0:58:06 It was definitely like my my stomach was not happy. I was uh, I was paying for that
0:58:09 But yeah, so I do how much time do you have because I know you have I have time
0:58:14 Okay, do you want a cover? No, I got a really crazy one. Let’s do crazy. Okay, crazy
0:58:17 We can cut it out if you can’t but are you are you allowed to talk about clotho yet?
0:58:24 Uh, yeah, I mean so peter a tia did a fantastic episode which we both I would say would highly recommend
0:58:31 Yeah, with Dina who is a fantastic researcher at usf. She has identified a compound called clotho, which
0:58:36 Is just absolutely insane. Yeah, so in fairness. It was identified by Japanese researchers
0:58:41 But she’s spent a good part of her career. She is one of the foremost experts in the world for sure
0:58:46 Yeah, so she did um, she did an episode with the tia that was a deep dive for about an hour and a half
0:58:52 And it is I mean, do you do you have the the kind of stats in front of you? I can ballpark it if you want
0:58:58 Why don’t you ballpark it? So the ballpark it in my understanding is that so clotho just so people know is that
0:59:00 It’s naturally produced in humans
0:59:04 Especially under high intensity kind of interval exercise. So you get more natural level of this
0:59:08 We all have in our blood right now as you age you get less of it. Okay
0:59:14 So the interesting thing in humans that they know is that people that have these there’s two genes
0:59:19 And there’s a genetic polymorphisms and if you are an overproducer if you have these snips where you’re an overproducer
0:59:25 Meaning you naturally produce more of this cloth. Oh, you just get dramatically less dementia risk
0:59:32 And even if the very famous gene out there is the apo e apo uh, apo e three apo e four genes
0:59:36 Whereas if you are a four carrier meaning like most people are three three
0:59:40 If you’re a three four, you’re like something like five to seven times more likely to get Alzheimer’s
0:59:44 If you’re a four four, you’re kind of fucked. It’s like 80 percent of people get Alzheimer’s or something like that
0:59:48 If you have one of these snips and you are way more likely to get it
0:59:54 But you’re also an overproducer cloth though. It evens out the playing field. You have the same risk of dementia
0:59:58 So now the crazier shit is like forget the mouth studies. The mouth studies are all awesome
1:00:02 They reverse dimension all that shit when they give them cloth though when you give it to monkeys
1:00:05 Even if they don’t have dementia they’re like
1:00:08 Instantly the subcutaneous shot monkey limitless
1:00:13 They instantly become like 20 smarter like for four weeks instantly from just getting a little boost of cloth
1:00:15 It’s gonna be in the headline monkey limitless dude. It’s nuts
1:00:18 It’s nuts. So, you know
1:00:20 We’re very close to finishing the deal
1:00:24 But at true ventures we’re writing a very big check that i’m leading around into
1:00:29 We’re gonna get this in humans the next year and a half. You’re gonna participate. Yeah, a tea. I’m already good
1:00:33 A tea is gonna participate and I can read quickly. Yeah, please for people who want to check it out
1:00:39 So this is the name. I believe it’s the name of the episode that peter has on the drive
1:00:44 Which is his podcast a breakthrough in Alzheimer’s disease the promising potential of clotho for brain health cognitive decline
1:00:49 And is a therapeutic tool for Alzheimer’s disease. So I have Alzheimer’s on both sides of my family
1:00:55 So this is but you’re three three though, right? I’m a three three. Okay, but I have been interested in tracking this for so long
1:01:01 In terms of possible therapeutic intervention. Yes, that’s why I studied neuroscience initially as an undergrad. Yes, that’s
1:01:08 Why I was initially the very first check I ever cut for supporting science was for adam gizali and some of his early stuff
1:01:12 That’s awesome way back in the day. I’ve also given adam some cash to go do yeah adam
1:01:14 Check him out. He’s been on the podcast as well
1:01:17 And the description is I’ll just give you this very quickly
1:01:24 So dina dubal is a physician scientist and professor of neurology at ucsf whose work focuses on mechanisms of longevity and brain resilience
1:01:32 In this episode dina dolves dolves. Okay, that’s the bitter stuck in dina delves into the intricacies the Alzheimer’s
1:01:35 longevity factor clotho
1:01:40 It’s formation and distribution in the body the factors such as stress and exercise that impacts its level
1:01:46 And it’s profound impact on cognitive function and overall brain health. I don’t want to skip over the exercise
1:01:48 because
1:01:54 While you’re waiting for this to be available is a subcutaneous or intramuscular shot. I think probably should be effective subcutaneous
1:02:01 That’s by the way, that’s the way they’ve gone to monkeys. Yeah, that’s why it’s very easy. Uh, very very very simple
1:02:04 It’s like using a zempik or is the zempik sub cute. Yeah
1:02:07 Very very simple to do not painful
1:02:13 Before that is available exercise. Yes exercise is arguably the most
1:02:17 Potent way to increase your circulating levels of clotho. Yes
1:02:23 So we’re very excited for this the potential application here is huge. Obviously, this could be the ozempik for the mind
1:02:27 We’ll see we’ll know more in a bit and once this gets funded
1:02:31 Excited to see where it goes, but I think this is what I love about
1:02:38 Just our ability finally at this stage in life tim, like I you’ve done so much on the psychedelic research side
1:02:43 Which has been amazing on the philanthropic side to watch happen and like, you know, I started a new substack
1:02:46 Which is like a paid, you know newsletter recommend a more private community
1:02:53 And 100 of the proceeds from the first month are going into fund a matt walker sleep study
1:02:57 In which he’s identified some antioxidants that he believes can repair a bad night’s sleep
1:03:02 And so matt walker for those people who don’t recognize the name amazing
1:03:07 A super sweet guy a brilliant researcher. I just had him on the podcast who also wrote why we sleep
1:03:15 Which was a mega mega bestseller. Yeah, and matt’s such a fantastic like well-rounded researcher in the wonderful voice too
1:03:17 Yeah, I mean he his accent dulcet
1:03:21 Velvet british tones soothing exactly. He could read the
1:03:24 Cheesecake factory menu your next book
1:03:27 And I would and I would listen to it. Yeah
1:03:33 So that’s exciting like I’m I’m very excited to like I think you and I both enjoy this idea of like moonshots around
1:03:40 You know science. Yeah, because it’s like it’s it’s severely underfunded and if you do you can you can do a lot with very little
1:03:46 A lot with very little. Yeah, because otherwise this is part of why on a lot of levels. I find it
1:03:52 Certainly as exciting as the startup investing. Yeah is you have these potentially
1:03:57 Sort of history bending scientific
1:03:59 Developments or discoveries
1:04:06 That will take years and years and years to fund through traditional grant writing and government support
1:04:10 And if you are able to I know this is not pocket change
1:04:17 But if you’re able to cut a check quickly for say 25 50 grand the check I cut for adam way back in there was 10 grand
1:04:19 That was a big check for me
1:04:22 You can actually make a difference. Can I give you an example of this? You can accelerate it quickly
1:04:26 Yeah, please. So dina who’s the principal investigator at UCSF around clotho
1:04:32 I had a conversation with her and I said, hey, what’s the study that you want to do right now on clotho?
1:04:37 That would take you, you know a year or so to get the grants and like blah blah blah
1:04:41 And she’s like, I got this one that you know, I want to I want to kind of look downstream a little bit further
1:04:43 And we can tag clotho and see where it goes and all this stuff
1:04:49 And I’m like, what does that cost and she’s like 50k as like holy shit. I’m like, do you have the researchers ready to go?
1:04:51 She’s like, I can start this tomorrow
1:04:56 And so, you know, I donated some stock that were these little tiny distributions that I had received over time
1:05:01 And I just donated stock to UCSF and now she has the funding and she already started the study
1:05:04 Like a week and a half later
1:05:06 And it’s like, I know that’s a lot of money to a lot of people
1:05:09 So please like I’m not trying to flex here on the on the cash side, but I’m just saying like
1:05:12 Even a thousand dollars
1:05:17 Even but even like sometimes if you get to know these researchers
1:05:22 Are you here about something on a tios podcast or your podcast where you’re like, wow, that’s great science being done
1:05:26 You can call them up. You can email them and say, hey, how can I contribute a hundred dollars here?
1:05:31 And oftentimes it can be tax deductible depending on the organization and like oh almost always
1:05:35 Yeah, almost always tax deductible and I will say
1:05:39 This doesn’t have to be a super high concept
1:05:41 Doing the greatest good for the greatest number of
1:05:45 People motivation it can be but it is so
1:05:48 exciting and gratifying
1:05:51 To
1:05:52 catalyze
1:05:54 science that could
1:05:55 I think
1:06:00 Without making it sound too exaggerated. I mean change the world literally in the case of say a cloth though
1:06:03 Oh, dude, and the fact that you can expedite it for
1:06:07 Relatively, you know the the cost of a car
1:06:10 Dude is nuts. So my mom now
1:06:15 Sometimes sadly thinks my sister is her mom
1:06:21 And she has dementia and it’s not thankfully it’s not all summer. So we’ve we’ve we’ve been with this for about seven years now
1:06:27 And you know, we’re gonna put this in humans in a year and a half. My mom’s turning 84 in a few weeks
1:06:33 And it’s like, I don’t know. There’s a chance we get this in in a couple years and we get some more
1:06:39 Great memories back we get a little bit more of like even not even the I can’t guarantee what’s gonna happen
1:06:41 But even just like a little bit more
1:06:46 Awareness would be beautiful. You know beautiful. So it’s like this is what what motivates me
1:06:51 More than anything and we’re at an age also where it’s like almost every friend and
1:06:56 Our same cohort is having this experience. Oh, a hundred percent at least one parent usually both
1:07:02 I’m sure every there’s a thousand people listening right now. They’re like, I hear you at the ends a hundred percent and it’s
1:07:05 So painful watch I remember watching my grandparents
1:07:13 Kind of descend to the point. Yeah, where they didn’t necessarily recognize me or brother or anything like that and
1:07:17 If you could just add a few years
1:07:19 right or cut down on the symptoms by
1:07:24 20 percent totally so significant. Yeah for
1:07:31 Not just their quality of life. Hopefully but also the interpersonal relationships. Yes
1:07:36 The relationships is the big thing when people go they go but just to have that like
1:07:41 Awareness of who is around you when you do go. I think it’s just like it’s such a huge deal
1:07:48 What else you got? I got some crazy ones. I got more crazy ones, but bring some crazy. So I talked to my dead dad
1:07:53 Uh via a medium. Okay. All right. Didn’t see that coming. Yeah
1:08:00 All right. Yeah, tell me so my tattoo artist was out here and and and give me this fantastic tattoo
1:08:03 Jess is awesome. And she was like, hey, there’s this crazy shit that happened to me
1:08:04 And I’m like, what’s up?
1:08:09 And she’s like I tattooed this woman that was a medium and she gifted me a free session
1:08:14 And I’m like, was it crazy? And she’s like, you have no idea. She’s like, okay
1:08:19 A bunch of people so cute the toasters kind of say hi to you keep coming to say hi to me
1:08:20 So
1:08:25 You know, I’m the biggest skeptic on this shit. Like I take this as like entertainment value, right? Yeah
1:08:30 And so she was like, no, you don’t understand someone. I don’t want to get into her personal details
1:08:33 But someone that was not directly related to her but one step removed
1:08:37 Like a upper immediate family had been shot and killed
1:08:38 and
1:08:42 This person came in and said, listen, I had been
1:08:45 This is not google bowl. You couldn’t have found this anywhere
1:08:51 Was like I am the person that was shot in this particular location at this particular spot like
1:08:56 Crazy scary like really accurate. And I was like, oh my god
1:08:59 Like then she kept going and I’m not going to go into her personal details
1:09:01 But like enough to where I was like, give me the number like no
1:09:06 You know, I want to like book this $150 session, right? It’s 100 150
1:09:12 And so I book it and it’s early because she’s like back east and I’m like get up at 7 a.m
1:09:15 Like barely have my coffee and there’s like she goes. Oh my god. She goes
1:09:20 There is this person that is like beating down my door to talk to you and I’m like
1:09:24 Okay, and she’s like wait, this is what the medium said medium said. Yeah, okay on zoom
1:09:31 All right, and I’m like, okay, like uh, and you know, it’s gotta it’s gotta start up and and please dog cosmetics. Yeah, exactly
1:09:35 They want to pitch you
1:09:37 Because it’s a great pre-money valuation
1:09:42 They only want a million dollars like if the dog cosmetics are it’s gonna boom the watch
1:09:48 So it’s the next day. I so uh, basically I was like, you know, I’m kind of like early whatever
1:09:52 And I’m like, okay, I’m very google-able. You know, like I’m aware of that, right?
1:09:55 And like you can find out things about my dad and stuff like that
1:09:58 And she’s like it’s a man
1:10:02 He passed from some heart tension in my dad. I have a heart a stroke. I’m like, okay
1:10:06 I don’t know that you can google that, you know, and then she’s like describing
1:10:09 all kinds of stuff and even including like
1:10:13 a fight with my mom the night before
1:10:18 Little tiny bits so my sister did it too and we didn’t tell him we were late
1:10:22 Because my sister’s different last name. Oh nice. And so with my sister it was like, oh, he’s good with numbers
1:10:25 He was an accountant and he was just like saying that
1:10:30 He kept saying the number three is there and she’s like, is there a third sibling?
1:10:34 And I’ve never told anybody this but I have a half sister that I didn’t know about
1:10:40 That’s never been on the internet. Yeah, and I was like I started saw me do immediately because like
1:10:45 I get that it’s entertainment value. Yeah, but just to feel and what she said is she goes
1:10:48 He’s very proud of you and that just hit me
1:10:51 Like, you know, it’s like I don’t care if it’s real or not
1:10:56 Just to hear that and even if two percent of your body can say that might be real
1:11:03 You immediately break down and so like snot’s coming on my nose and shit over zoom and like there’s no filter to turn that off and like
1:11:07 It’s just like it was it was just very therapeutic
1:11:12 You know and I was just like holy shit and then amount of shit that she got right was
1:11:15 Gary, did she whiff on anything?
1:11:16 trying to think
1:11:22 Poof gosh, you know, it’s funny is like once you start believing it once you’re like halfway in you don’t want to ask any like
1:11:25 Questions that might get them to with disconfirm. Yeah, exactly
1:11:29 And so but but I got to say like there was a bunch of stuff where she was like
1:11:35 Your girls and one of them looks a lot like your dad and has that same kind of energy
1:11:37 and
1:11:40 He likes to like watch them play because he thinks it’s really cute
1:11:46 How one of them is like this and like was predicting their personalities like to the tea like like absolutely perfect
1:11:49 and so then I have daria do it my wife and
1:11:51 her mom comes to her
1:11:52 and
1:11:56 Scary accurate again. Everyone’s gonna be asking for this. You are all I swear. I’m not trying to like plug any
1:12:00 medium here and like sell sell medium
1:12:06 Things but it was insane dog cosmetics.com slash kevco. Yeah, exactly get the coupon code
1:12:09 Do you have anybody that’s passed away that you’d want to talk to sure?
1:12:17 Yeah, I mean if I could right. I mean, I’m very yeah, I mean I’ve gone out to the edges pretty hard in my sort of subjective
1:12:19 experience or a lot of experiments, but
1:12:23 I would say I’ve also watched for instance
1:12:30 There’s a documentary about the amazing randy called an honest liar and I’ve watched documentaries on mentalists
1:12:36 And you watch say performers like darin brown who are like how they can read and like lean in
1:12:41 I mean the stuff they can do is yes, it’s just like beyond I shouldn’t say it’s beyond explanation
1:12:43 But it’s very hard to explain. They’re very convincing, right?
1:12:46 So I’m I’m very skeptical
1:12:50 But if I could somehow assure myself that I had
1:12:58 Shielded them from the potential of googling things and figuring things out right right if I could come in blind
1:13:02 Like maybe the appointments being someone else’s name and then I show up. Yeah, tim bears
1:13:07 Then I’m like, okay here. Yeah, tell me. I mean certainly. I’m I’m game to try. Yeah, I’ll pay for your session
1:13:11 I want you to see see if it’s like this. I’ll try this holds up for for anybody. Yeah, I’ll try it
1:13:19 Like my feeling is and this is uh, maybe people are gonna be like wow tim ferris is wearing a tinfoil hat and uh, we’ve lost him
1:13:24 He’s out at sea especially after my sort of like memetic contagion comment earlier, but
1:13:28 There are a lot of I think it’s very
1:13:31 It’s impossible to dispute that there’s a lot we don’t understand
1:13:39 Yes, 100 that does not mean that these things are unexplainable. It’s not invoking necessarily the supernatural per se
1:13:43 But there’s a lot of weird shit that we can’t currently explain
1:13:49 And so in the meantime if we’re waiting for a scientific agreement or consensus or breakthrough that it’s accepted
1:13:54 I’m happy to experiment right as long as as long as you have
1:13:59 some preparation and safeguards in advance so that you’re not
1:14:01 a
1:14:07 Mark for fooling yourself. Here’s the funny thing. Is she never so out of myself?
1:14:10 Daria my sister she never asked for a rebook appointment
1:14:16 In fact, my sister she had a bunch of people that came to her that she didn’t recognize and she got to my dad like a little bit later
1:14:20 She’s like, oh, listen. I’m so sorry. This never happens. I want to get I want to give you a free session for free
1:14:27 Come back next time like it was very weird. There was none of that like salesy shit. You know, I’m always gonna look out for that kind of stuff
1:14:31 Anyway, we’ll have our times up like cliffhanger. Yeah, exactly
1:14:37 Exactly. Oh, I found my dad. He gave me he gave me five of the winning lottery ticket numbers. Oh, sorry. We’re out of time
1:14:43 But I just you know, it was one of these random things that you just walk into in life and you say yes to and it was like
1:14:50 Weirdly awesome. I mean look, I’ll give you this is like two drinks definitely informing what I’m about to say but
1:14:57 In my experience, so I get say soft tissue treatment once a week, right? I get like massage treatment. What was that?
1:14:59 I said handy
1:15:05 No, what does that mean? No dragon rolls. No happy endings. I’m saying just massage treatment like I have people who work on
1:15:07 I’ve broken my body so many times
1:15:09 and
1:15:11 There are certain people
1:15:13 who have
1:15:19 Bizarre abilities that they cannot explain like they are just good at like the reiki people doesn’t necessarily even have to be that
1:15:22 far field from manual therapy
1:15:25 They’re just some people who have very
1:15:28 seemingly strange abilities and
1:15:31 They have incredible track records
1:15:38 And when they try to teach other people their method, it does not translate their disciples are unable to do what they do
1:15:44 And I don’t know how to explain that but like there seems to be an extreme variance
1:15:50 Right between outcomes, right? And there’s some people who are very purely secular. They have their technique
1:15:58 They can explain it and they’re effectively, you know architects and carpenters of the human body and they’re able to do some miraculous
1:16:02 I shouldn’t say miraculous but like predictably effective things based on
1:16:05 their understanding of the human body then there are people who
1:16:08 Just seem to operate on a different channel
1:16:12 and I don’t know what to make of that and any I would say any
1:16:20 Athlete like who has competed for a long time or had a lot of manual therapy will have a story about someone like this
1:16:22 Why do you say athlete?
1:16:28 Well, just because they’re the flow state stuff or like no because they’re going to injure themselves or have more
1:16:33 They’re just going to have more table time. Yeah, than an average person. Right. You talk to the average person on the street
1:16:37 I mean by and large like when do you have your last massage like never five years ago two years ago?
1:16:40 Whereas if somebody is a very serious athlete
1:16:43 They’re probably getting some type of manual therapy
1:16:49 Once every I mean at least once a month if not once a week if they’re like an olympic sprinter or something
1:16:55 They’re probably getting it every day or every other day like that. Can I ask you a question that you may want to cut from the podcast?
1:16:57 um
1:17:01 You told me once that during one of your ayahuasca sessions
1:17:06 That it was either someone had spoken in a different tongue that they didn’t know
1:17:12 Or there was something crazy. What is the craziest temper is supernatural thing that you’ve ever seen in your life?
1:17:18 So I there’s a good question. I’m going to pull out the supernatural just because okay natural
1:17:21 supernatural
1:17:27 Simply because I don’t think these things are beyond explanation. We just lack perhaps the
1:17:29 tools
1:17:35 Or the dimension. Yeah, we just we we can’t currently investigate any of these phenomena in a
1:17:37 granular enough way to make it
1:17:40 They’re gratifying sure
1:17:44 Uh, yeah, I okay, so give me a couple good ones. Yeah, I’ll give you some good ones
1:17:48 I mean, so I have a decent amount of uh flight time. I guess we can call it
1:17:54 I have seen on a few now what I’m going to do is I’m going to I’m going to describe what I saw
1:17:58 Okay, and then I’m going to debunk it and I know you don’t lie, which is what’s awesome
1:18:02 So I’ve known you long enough to know that you are very very trustworthy like legit person
1:18:07 You don’t embellish which I think is great. Yeah, I try not to and I also try to cross examine, right?
1:18:14 So yeah, you’re very skeptical dude. Yeah, which I love. It’s great. So I’ve seen a few people. This is first person
1:18:18 Speaker saying in languages that they do not speak
1:18:22 Like in tongue shit where you’re like, I can’t understand you. No, you can. No, no, no, no
1:18:27 They you can hear them like coherently and you speak a lot of languages. Yeah
1:18:32 So were they ever speaking a language that you understood where you’re like, no, what language spanish?
1:18:36 Well, that’s easy one. They could have watched enough like no, no, no, no
1:18:39 Like no, these are people without any exposure or
1:18:44 They didn’t watch door the or other thing as kids like they could have or I’m not fluent in these languages
1:18:47 but like the people are like from the people can you will people or
1:18:52 And these are like like kitchen alamista like like white people coming in like like you didn’t have any
1:18:55 They’re coming in blind. They couldn’t even tell you the names of these tribes
1:19:03 Like how many how many words like one or two words we’re letting no, we’re talking like an hour. What yeah, and you’ve seen this first hand
1:19:06 Yes, and I also have what I would consider
1:19:09 credible witnesses people who are
1:19:14 Hyper competent in their own lives. They have very effective
1:19:18 Careers, etc. etc. These are not people who are just like
1:19:20 naval gazing
1:19:25 Folks who do like personal development seminars every two days and don’t have a job
1:19:30 These are real operators who have seen in one instance
1:19:34 You know this woman who ended up speaking what sounded like in tongues
1:19:40 But there was an academic there who later was like, oh that was it was something like ancient
1:19:45 Language it was something that he could identify and he’s like, oh, that’s a dead language
1:19:50 He’s like, but I’ve studied enough of it. It’s like that’s what she was she was she was chanting in
1:19:53 No, so if I were to take the
1:19:58 Debunk side of this I would say well everyone’s tripping balls. So like let’s be honest, right?
1:20:04 Everybody could just be making up the like never ending story fantasy that they want to to be true
1:20:13 Because they’re trying to recapture some mystery in a world that seems just like profane and disgusting and this is all ayahuasca
1:20:17 Those examples are all ayahuasca, but it’s not it’s not limited to that
1:20:21 It seems to be particularly prevalent like reports. Let me be clear
1:20:27 Not occurrences, but reports of these types of events or phenomena
1:20:32 Are most widely reported it seems in
1:20:35 Cases of ayahuasca, but
1:20:40 The format I think matters in the sense that it may not be limited to
1:20:43 ayahuasca, which is a brew it’s a combination of different
1:20:48 Plants so benasteriopsis copy in the case of the vine and then psychotry of iridesz
1:20:52 If they’re using chakruna also another name for the same thing
1:20:57 So it’s a bit of a cocktail right you can think of it as an old-fashioned like there are a lot of ways to put a spin on an
1:21:01 Old-fashioned depending on the brew. It’s going to be very very different. How on the other day with cognac and it was so good
1:21:09 So I can tell you what is not delicious as ayahuasca, but the point I was going to make is that I think the reports in part are
1:21:14 more frequent with ayahuasca than say psilocybin or more
1:21:20 psilocybe mushrooms, let’s say or lst because ayahuasca is almost by default at least in the
1:21:25 syncretic kind of mestizo neo shamanic
1:21:31 Formats that you see say in north america and at a lot of the ayahuasca tourism places
1:21:36 It’s inevitably in a group context, right? And so when you have a group together
1:21:41 the dynamic of the potential for storytelling the
1:21:49 Volume of things that you will observe from other people is just higher than if you’re laying on a map by yourself
1:21:50 mushrooms
1:21:52 So I think since that
1:21:56 shared experience is such an intrinsic part of most
1:21:58 ayahuasca circles
1:22:02 As north sort of north americans experience it that
1:22:06 It’s almost inevitable that you’re going to get more reports of these types of things. Yeah. Yeah
1:22:10 And who knows maybe people are just hearing and seeing what they want to say
1:22:14 Like they are ultimately considered hallucinogens, although I do think there’s more to the story
1:22:21 That’s crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean and I yeah, I will say like when you’re listening to anyone talk about
1:22:24 Fucking crazy town, which is what we’re talking about right now
1:22:30 And this is not to say that I’m the the ultimate impeccable objective witness of reality, but
1:22:33 You just have to ask yourself like has this person
1:22:36 demonstrated the ability
1:22:37 to
1:22:41 reason and logic their way through other complicated problems
1:22:47 Right because if they haven’t demonstrated that and they believe in the fucking tooth fairy and
1:22:51 Right spirits and ayahuasca then you really you don’t have a basis
1:22:57 For judging their judgment, right, but if someone comes in and they are
1:23:04 Demonstrably world-class and a bunch of domains a real operator very skeptical and nonetheless
1:23:12 They have these experiences and they’re just like what the fuck. Yeah was that exactly then it’s more interesting
1:23:17 Yeah, I had a jet navy fighter pilot named ryan graves on my podcast
1:23:21 Ryan graves. Yeah, like like the like the uber ryan graves, but uh fighter pilot
1:23:25 Yeah, okay, and he’s the one that came out and said I saw some crazy
1:23:30 Alienships in the sky. Yeah, and we talked an hour and a half for what it’s like
1:23:33 And when the training that he does and the sensors that they have in these jets
1:23:36 And you’re like there is nothing
1:23:39 Like this guy’s the most credible dude on earth
1:23:44 Like he’s a retired navy fighter pilot like, you know was there was no like it wasn’t like
1:23:53 Oh, we got here we go. Oh my god the corner bit. Here we go. What is this? So this is uh, I sent some egg whites
1:23:57 So unfortunately, I export egg whites. Thank you. Thank you
1:24:03 It’s apricot liquor again. I apologize. Oh, I like this little this this little close books very nice
1:24:07 Kevin, sorry, sorry, please. Please. Please. Must be some some decorum
1:24:17 Oh, nice, that’s not. Oh, yeah, a lot of water. Yeah
1:24:25 Egg white and it’s healthy. It’s basically a basically a protein shake. Yeah, exactly. So to what Kevin, uh to uh
1:24:28 Experimentation to experimentation
1:24:34 Oh
1:24:37 I’m gonna be laying on you get on a flight. You’re fine
1:24:42 Um, all right. So what do you have? Do you have anything else or do you want me to go on?
1:24:44 I got like one or two more if you want to
1:24:47 Fire away. I mean, basically here. There are a few things that I can recommend
1:24:50 Just in case people are looking. Yeah
1:24:53 I’ll I’ll make it fast. So just in case people are
1:25:00 Looking for a couple of recommendations for things that over the last few months. I have found really compelling
1:25:07 In viewing or reading a few things. So one is Jerry Seinfeld’s duke commencement speech. Oh, yes
1:25:10 Amazing amazing. Yeah, just trust me
1:25:17 Check it out. Yes, then there’s a very old documentary that I watched again. David Hockney the art of seeing
1:25:20 and
1:25:28 David Hockney is is an incredibly well known artist perhaps britain’s best loved living artist artist and the art of seeing
1:25:32 Really dives into through interviews
1:25:35 his way of viewing the world art
1:25:41 And life it’s tremendous and you can find it on youtube. You might be able to find it elsewhere
1:25:44 But it’s actually surprisingly hard to find in terms of books
1:25:49 After many many people recommended it and I had a hell of a time getting into it
1:25:52 It took 20 or 30 pages to just suffer through the first 20 or 30 pages
1:25:57 It is one of the most beautifully written books. I’ve ever read it also probably the most brutal book
1:26:03 It is just brutal brutal brutal called brutal in what way like okay, so it’s called blood meridian bichormic mccarthy
1:26:09 And it’s selected. Yeah, you can get an audible. I listened to it. It was actually great narration
1:26:13 Selected by the atlantic as one of the great american novels of the past 100 years
1:26:16 Here’s an endorsement one of the quotes from michael harer
1:26:19 I think that’s how you say it hr
1:26:25 Quote a classic american novel of regeneration through violence mccarthy can only be compared to our greatest writers like melville
1:26:27 Etc. Etc. And this is his masterpiece
1:26:31 So it’s brutal in the sense that it is set in the wild west
1:26:34 but the
1:26:35 Hobbesian
1:26:38 behavior of humans and just like evil
1:26:41 acts of brutality are
1:26:43 Are just
1:26:46 Beyond is this going to be like a quit in tarantino film in like 10 years
1:26:49 Or five years. It would be hard to make an adaptation
1:26:54 I think it’d be hard to sell because people would just come out of the movie theater being like what the fuck did I just do to
1:26:55 Myself
1:27:01 But the prose the prose is so gorgeous. I mean, this is one of those books that I listened to and I was like
1:27:08 I should just fucking hang out my spurs and be done with writing like this. This writing is so good whole five this writing is so
1:27:10 good
1:27:15 Maybe this guy’s an alien like he’s it doesn’t seem conceivable to me that a human could produce this
1:27:17 It’s so good
1:27:21 Now I will warn you if you listen to the audiobook in the beginning of chapters they these ran
1:27:27 They’re not quite random, but they’re foreshadowing snippets of different phrases and it’s confusing as fuck on the audiobook
1:27:29 so and he’s like
1:27:32 Marshmallow tobacco a man finds a dog
1:27:35 Hat in the wind, you know, what the fuck is happening?
1:27:39 That’s the perfect quit in tarantino like a little like slide that they put up on the screen
1:27:40 They always put yeah, exactly
1:27:44 So that’s at the beginning of every chapter, but it’s outstanding if you want something
1:27:47 That is shorter and also
1:27:53 Metaphorically quite beautiful the bear by Andrew cry vac. I think if I’m saying his name correctly
1:27:56 is a beautiful story of
1:27:59 A girl and her father who lived close to the land in the shadow of a lone mountain
1:28:03 The father teaches the girl had a fish and hunt the secrets of the seasons and the stars
1:28:08 He’s preparing her for an adulthood in harmony with nature for they’re the last of humankind. I’ll just stop there
1:28:13 It’s beautiful. I finished it in a handful of days. It’s very short
1:28:18 That’s a very special book really really fast if you’re doing documentaries
1:28:18 I want to throw one out there
1:28:23 Do you’ve probably seen this and I just watched it again for the second time. It’s called the birth of sake
1:28:25 Never seen it. What no
1:28:32 Oh, dude, this is a beautiful story. We tasted a lot of sake in japan. Yeah, we went to actually like one of the breweries
1:28:37 Yeah, and took it right out of the spigot. It was amazing. So good. So the birth of sake is about a
1:28:41 Like traditional handmade like there’s only like a thousand of them left
1:28:45 Like there used to be like four thousand like a decade ago and that’s that no a thousand handmade sounds like japan
1:28:50 And well, they’re like it machines and automation all that are like taking over
1:28:53 And this is about I didn’t know if you knew this
1:28:56 But like if you’re actually making sake you have to tend to it for about six months
1:29:03 Round the clock and so they get together in these like little tiny micro homes where they live
1:29:06 They leave their families and they just work on sake for six months
1:29:15 And so this covers like old men young men coming in like tradition the handing off of of reigns to one generation to another
1:29:18 You know somebody dying like the whole thing
1:29:22 And it’s beautiful and it’s this little tiny brewery called Yoshida brewery
1:29:26 And so there’s a there’s a great store in san francisco. I’m sure you probably remember it called true sake
1:29:32 Remember over in page over on out. Sorry and uh, he’s valley. Yeah, so they actually bought a sake
1:29:36 They’re called hitori musume, which means single daughter, which to this day
1:29:41 I’ve been trying to find so so they they actually sell this I found this sake. I have it upstairs
1:29:45 We can take a sip of it. I bought but it’s not much. It’s like it’s like $50 a bottle
1:29:51 But it’s this little tiny family. The story is beautiful. It’s all 4k. There’s like snow falling in like slow motion
1:29:57 Highly recommend watching uh that documentary of the birth of sake. That’s that’s mine. I mean, what else you got?
1:29:59 I got a short one. Okay, go. All right
1:30:02 So this is a video they’ve sent to me by my friend mike
1:30:07 You gotta watch this you gotta watch this it’s it’s called. Is this some of the stuff is in each other normally? No
1:30:14 No, not that horrific mutually assured destruction known as our group chat. No, no, no
1:30:21 It’s called high ren arian by ren who is a musician storyteller lyricist
1:30:26 It’s fucking incredible. You’ve never seen anything like it and it’s a combination of
1:30:34 talent craziness slash lunacy philosophy redemption and relief the lyrics are so good
1:30:37 It’s a one-man performance. All right, or he’s playing guitar
1:30:41 He looks like a mental patient like he’s in an inpatient out like outfit gets wheeled in
1:30:48 And it’s just him in a guitar and he goes back and forth playing like the light and dark sides of himself
1:30:53 Having a conversation. Oh shit. It is so watch it now or no good
1:30:58 It’s probably too long to watch now. You should watch it
1:31:01 It will blow your mind. All right. We’ll link it up. This is this is some good
1:31:05 I love when we throw out the random links. They’re just like really good this one
1:31:11 Seriously, I was like, oh, I’m not the only one who’s fucking crazy. Oh, that’s great. Oh, it’s great. Yeah, fantastic
1:31:14 I love that. We’re all fucking crazy. Oh god. What a relief
1:31:18 So that’s that’s definitely that’s definitely one. They came to one
1:31:21 All right, I’ve got my last story of the day and then maybe you have one to add on top of this
1:31:25 So I’m taking a lot of risk here. Oh in that
1:31:31 Tentalizing speaking about podcasts that we don’t want to do what everybody else is doing, you know
1:31:32 um
1:31:39 One of the things that was a complete tragedy that we can all agree upon is that Matthew Perry’s passing away from ketamine overdose
1:31:44 Are are coming unconscious and drowning in in the pool. Yeah, a lot of data came out recently
1:31:46 Did you see that? Yeah, the story it was like really horrible
1:31:49 Like these doctors were conspiring to like give him as much as he wanted and like
1:31:55 Injecting him with what would be considered to be like a general anesthesia. Yeah, exactly enough to put you out
1:32:00 Right and like obviously you don’t don’t mix with water in the hot tub, right? It doesn’t mix with water. Yeah, so
1:32:06 The thing that bummed me out about that is that you know, we talked about this before about my treatment like six months ago
1:32:10 And I feel fantastic after that treatment. But the thing that bummed me out is that meaning intravenous
1:32:15 Was it intravenous or muscular intravenous? Yeah, yeah, it’s IV ketamine treatment
1:32:20 Yeah, so I did it, you know, I did those six sessions and I was going with a really hard startup and like I feel
1:32:23 As good as ever, which is great
1:32:26 Since then when we did that podcast I’ve had
1:32:29 And I can’t say I’m on on camera
1:32:33 But I’ve had a household name that has built a business that is bigger than you and I have ever built
1:32:38 That would be a shock to the world that hit me up and was like I did this and it changed my life
1:32:43 And they’ve since paid for a bunch of people to do it after them that were really suffering that person
1:32:48 In particular was having some depression things of that nature that was treatment resistant depression was what they call it
1:32:53 Colleague of mine hit me up and was like I have suicidal thoughts
1:32:56 I’m not going to kill myself
1:32:58 But I hate that I have them every day, you know
1:33:02 And also a scary message to get yeah
1:33:06 What did she went and did five treatments and is now in full remission
1:33:14 And I was like this is amazing and it kills me that I mean obviously there are insane dangers around recreational use
1:33:17 I’m not disputing that at all
1:33:18 And it’s being used in clubs
1:33:22 It’s being used all over the places that dissociated and like I I get that it’s really bad
1:33:26 But I wanted to go out and say if I’m going to do a different podcast on this
1:33:32 I want to have in an expert which I brought my doctor in her name is dr. Jen. She is um
1:33:34 Princeton trained doctor
1:33:39 Uh, not a chiropractor. Not a chiropractor. No offense to chiropractors, but they tend to do the dr. Bob doctor jack dr
1:33:42 Jen thing. Yeah, you don’t want to uh, you don’t want a chiropractor doing this
1:33:46 But she’s been an er room doctor for like 15 years now. I feel like a dick
1:33:49 I don’t have to say like there’s some great chiropractors out there who I work with
1:33:55 But but you don’t want them running your ketamine right exactly and she gets into that and she’s like this is why
1:33:57 Like we need to take this seriously, right?
1:34:03 So we did the whole podcast and we take it from a very scientific point of view talking about the neuroplasticity talking about her
1:34:05 Outcomes that she’s witnessed blah blah
1:34:09 But the crazy thing that I added onto this and this is coming out in like a week or so
1:34:13 Is that I actually said, okay, I will go in to demystify this
1:34:16 and I went into the clinic and
1:34:21 I did intermuscular which is just a shot in the arm. Yeah, that’s right rocket ship
1:34:25 I tried to stay as conscious as I could and explain the feelings
1:34:28 As I was starting to go into la la land
1:34:32 Now, let me tell you why did did you are you going to share marble mouth moments?
1:34:34 Oh, yeah, 100%
1:34:36 There’s all that in there
1:34:40 So but it is it is an anesthetic doesn’t generally help you tip talk
1:34:43 I had to stop and restart the same sentence like five times
1:34:47 But I will I will tell you the reason why I did this is very
1:34:53 Simply because of my friend that was suffering from severe depression that she knew me personally and she’s like
1:34:56 I saw you do this and I saw it have a positive benefit and I went
1:34:59 I am not recommending anyone to do this
1:35:04 But there is a subset of people out there that are suffering that are seriously contemplating
1:35:05 Horrible things
1:35:10 And I just want them to check it out and also see what a high quality clinic looks like
1:35:14 Yeah, like don’t go to the chiropractor. Just look inside of sorry. I said that
1:35:15 No, but it’s true though
1:35:19 Like let’s let’s say chiropractors, but people that have access to this compound
1:35:22 Don’t go to them like you should have a real legitimate doctor
1:35:26 There should be a real legitimate intake. There should be blood pressure cuts. There should be heart rate monitors
1:35:30 There should be all the real things that come with a legitimate practice
1:35:34 And so I want to demystify it a bit. It’s going to be controversial. It’s coming out soon
1:35:40 But you know, I think I’m on the right side of history here. I think that like this will help a lot of people
1:35:42 It’s not for everyone
1:35:49 But if you’re really really suffering and you tried everything else all the exercise all the antidepressants and you still want to do harm
1:35:56 Yeah, maybe maybe consider, you know for suicidal ideation. I mean, there are many resources that we could recommend
1:36:02 I mean, we’re not doctors. We’re not doctors. We’re not medical doctors. Yeah, I almost off myself in college
1:36:05 So I mean if you if you search some practical thoughts on suicide in my name
1:36:09 There will be a long post that will walk you through my history with this but
1:36:13 If someone’s contemplating self-harm serious self-harm, then
1:36:17 I do think of all the interventions I have seen
1:36:22 In clinic, that’s the operative term
1:36:25 ketamine
1:36:28 Sessions whether ivy or intramuscular
1:36:34 Are very interesting. They effectively hit stop or pause on the thought loops
1:36:37 So that you can have a moment of respite
1:36:43 To really examine what is happening and going on and take a short break from your pain
1:36:45 And in the form of these thought loops that are incessant
1:36:48 And that is also the reason why
1:36:50 In my
1:36:57 Opinion, you should not use ketamine outside of clinic 100 it is too seductive. It is
1:37:03 Very easy to become addicted if you have any history of
1:37:10 Using alcohol to take the edge off ketamine is like alcohol times 100 in terms of its effectiveness to take that edge off
1:37:13 And therein lies the danger because there are severe
1:37:18 Consequences to becoming really addicted to ketamine. I will say this that was really interesting
1:37:23 I talked to dr. Jen who’s done hundreds of patients now, right and and she goes and I said to her on the podcast and her defense
1:37:29 This is very interesting. I said, you know for me, like I don’t see how can anyone could be addicted to this because like
1:37:32 It’s like a journey you go on, you know, and by the time I’m done with the journey
1:37:33 I’m like, oh my god
1:37:36 Thank god I get like, you know a few days off because you do it twice a week for three weeks
1:37:40 But she goes no, no, no Kevin. I just want to let you know
1:37:44 There are some people that when they feel that they feel high from that
1:37:49 And I’m not one of those people thank god, but like she’s like therein lies the danger and I’m like
1:37:51 Thank you for correcting me there
1:37:56 Like that’s a real legitimate person that is like trying to set the record straight because some people can get that
1:38:02 alcohol times a thousand and get addicted and then they go finding street sources and all that stuff but like
1:38:04 it’s a really
1:38:06 crazy compound because in some settings
1:38:09 It can be a savior
1:38:12 And a reboot that people need and an outside perspective to look at themselves
1:38:19 Disassociated a bit to laugh and like to look to take a job to take an observer status on their own stories
1:38:25 I talk about that actually when they film me coming out of it. They go they go. What did you feel? I go Kevin was over here
1:38:30 I took an observer status of that. Yeah, and I was able to say
1:38:34 He’s been crazy and he’s his own worst enemy. Yeah, you know
1:38:37 and so it’s like it’s very challenging because
1:38:42 In some sense like this is a very dangerous compound, but I don’t think we need to like
1:38:46 Just throw it away. No, we don’t need to demonize it. I think it’s a very powerful tool
1:38:51 And the
1:38:57 Risk is self administration. Yes, right 100% and I will say I’ve seen some of the most
1:39:00 impressive amazing soulful
1:39:03 High functioning people
1:39:05 completely derail their lives
1:39:08 using ketamine and other compounds
1:39:15 And you just have to be very very cautious because my my belief is and I think this is a even if it’s inaccurate. I think it’s a
1:39:17 constructive
1:39:19 positive belief to hold
1:39:23 Which is everyone has a molecule that will make them addictive
1:39:29 Everyone. Yes, you just don’t know exactly which key is going to fit the lock. Yes, but
1:39:34 Everyone has the potential. Yeah to be addicted and it’s just the right molecule
1:39:37 So for me, I’m like, let’s safeguard against that. Oh my god
1:39:42 What is this?
1:39:45 Oh, that great whiskey. There are the great tequila. Thank you. All right. Thank you
1:39:49 I love that text was from like 20 minutes ago. He said thank you
1:39:55 As you’re the best man. Thanks, man pick studio.ai for tim in speedos. Can you pull it out? Did you already pull it out?
1:39:59 I pulled it out. It was so good. Amazing crazy. I mean it looks just like him
1:40:03 What’s the story of the snake through the skull on your forearm?
1:40:05 It’s traditional
1:40:10 All right, there’s no stories man. All right. There’s no stories. It’s just beautiful. All right, you know, I stand corrected. I like it
1:40:16 There’s no story with the oh, yeah, like the the monkey in the hat with the cigar
1:40:19 That looks pretty traditional too
1:40:24 Oh, look at like the ccp baby with the boxing gloves. Yeah, who knows?
1:40:27 That’s the best. Thank you so much
1:40:32 Did you guys talk about like just what happened last week or two weeks ago? It’s like flux and the model
1:40:37 Oh, yeah, so we did mention that up front. But I think we should mention it. Um, well, I didn’t mention flux
1:40:41 So there was a new model that came out. Addison, you get to do the cheers. What should we cheers do?
1:40:46 To our girlfriends and our wives
1:40:52 To our to our girlfriends and our wives may they never meet
1:40:56 Yeah, future tense for me, but you know a boy can dream
1:41:01 So, um, just to give the the round out of the 30 seconds, uh, addison you switched to a new model called flux
1:41:06 Yeah, everyone knows about it like in like that’s deep in the ai space. Yeah, this is the new ai shit
1:41:11 What’s what’s really crazy is so you guys brought up. Should we should we get him a mic?
1:41:13 Yeah, yeah, here’s talking to this mic neil down for a sec
1:41:19 Take a knee just just tell us um about about flux because the pictures of tim are insane
1:41:22 Tell why are they better now than they were three months ago?
1:41:28 Well, the like you guys originally brought up a prom tent like maybe two years ago now or maybe a year and a half ago
1:41:35 It was like on like in december of 2020 2020 you look good. That’s not even ai. That’s just like that’s our trip of mexico
1:41:37 Yeah, that’s just that’s just mexico, you know
1:41:45 No, so you guys brought it up and you were making all these theories about what’s going to happen with ai and really
1:41:48 Like just the models just keep getting better
1:41:54 And the prompts are kind of still saying still staying complicated. And so essentially
1:41:58 There was a team at stable diffusion or stability ai
1:42:05 Those folks left and basically started another open source model and this thing is competing with mid journey
1:42:11 And it’s all open source and it launched and that like the day or the a couple days after it launched
1:42:14 Everyone was saying like you won’t be able to fine tune you won’t be able to like train like
1:42:19 Basically these lores and things like that 24 hours later. I was like actually you can
1:42:24 And that’s how rapidly it’s changed sounds like it’s just insane and and it takes very little effort
1:42:27 We’ll put a bunch of these up. They’re nuts. Let me ask you a question on this also
1:42:31 I feel like we’re gonna put these up and then people are gonna meet me in person and be like, uh
1:42:36 What happened you really let yourself go hold on this picture of tim with the with the red uh like speedo type stuff
1:42:43 Nice nice one again tim’s good side
1:42:47 How could you say I want him in a black jacket here red red pants?
1:42:54 Yeah, yeah, so the the way like what i’m working on with like pig studio ai is essentially like everyone wants really
1:42:58 I’m gonna add that this part out. But do you want to like go a little bit more over here so we can see your face?
1:43:00 Oh, there we go. I mean sure
1:43:04 Come on come on this way. I want to get my good side. I god damn yeah
1:43:07 Just sit on kevin you just sit on kevin’s lap if you want
1:43:12 I’m not saying that’s hot, but if the boner police were around I’d demand a lawyer
1:43:16 That’s definitely staying in
1:43:20 Shout out hot rod
1:43:25 Just give us the coins going down over here. Jeez my toothbrush. You’re gonna have to catch up
1:43:28 Oh god, you’re kneeling on his flashlight
1:43:40 Well, no the way I’ve seen this sort of working like in a way that is actually usable
1:43:42 Which is what I keep telling people is
1:43:45 How many times have you taken headshots where you just need them from you either linked in
1:43:48 Or a show that you’re working on it’s just like a really eating
1:43:52 I mean that’s yeah, I’d hate to be dating right now if that’d be yeah me too
1:43:58 But you can do anything really essentially like what we’re trying to do is figure out what kind of photos people want for
1:44:00 Wait, wait, go to the go to the website for a second
1:44:04 What’s what’s the tagline pro portraits created with the eye?
1:44:09 It’s we’re we’re getting a whole bunch of stuff and these are actually old ones because we’re we’re sort of piloting this right now
1:44:13 If there’s a different portrait, so those are those are old versions of our portraits
1:44:18 But you know, I see it less being hey, I want to be riding an elephant
1:44:23 Go and you know crazy. It’s more like I used to take portraits every year with my buddy Nate Taylor
1:44:25 Who took your portraits back in there?
1:44:29 And we’d have to spend like a day or two taking these photos and like he doesn’t want to do it
1:44:30 I don’t want to do it
1:44:35 He’s going to take a thousand photos and maybe one looks good and it’s like this is just going to get it right right away
1:44:39 Yeah, so it’s just it’s realistic way of getting a great portrait
1:44:44 But you can do whatever like I I absolutely did that and that’s going to my my library
1:44:47 Your private sash
1:44:50 book bookmarks
1:44:54 Tax returns 2011. I think I’m going to make it only fans for Tim
1:44:58 I’m going to make it only fans for Tim based solely on this AI model
1:45:02 And uh, that’s an interesting thing. Um, all right, so
1:45:08 That’s true. I could have an I can cheat you’re right over there. I’m good microphone went for went for a wobble
1:45:14 Uh, I love Madison. He’s the he’s the best. He’s always dabbling like this is a one person startup that he did
1:45:20 I fucking love that though. Yeah, I know. It’s you dabbling the dabbling is where you find things to double down on. Yes, right? That’s
1:45:27 That’s where it all where it’s where all the magic happens a hundred percent. All right. I’m I’m I’m out of good stories
1:45:33 You got anything else? You got good stories. I think I’ve covered most of it on my list. I’ll mention a few things
1:45:36 There’s a children’s book for adults
1:45:39 You’re right you said children’s
1:45:44 Children’s yeah, a children’s children apostrophe s a children’s children’s
1:45:47 Yes, okay
1:45:50 There’s a long island coming. I don’t know. I think that’s how you say it’s called the tequila coming out
1:45:54 But they go out already called the well of being by Jean Pierre
1:45:58 while I guess if you’re going to say in German, all right and
1:46:05 This has made an impact on me. It’s a beautiful book. It’s very easy to read. You could read it with your kids
1:46:07 and
1:46:13 The couple who introduced me to this are one of the most thoughtful present and playful couples. I know
1:46:17 F and k thank you for all of this and it infused
1:46:21 You know, they’ve also infused the raising of their daughters with the ethos of this book in a way
1:46:28 So here’s the description the well of being from Jean Pierre while is an illustrated inquiry into the art of happiness
1:46:31 And what it means to be radically alive in our daily moments
1:46:35 I’ll stop there. It’s a long description. It’s out of print. I’m on amazon right now. It’s out of print
1:46:41 Yeah, and so I had to just buy a copy by a used copy. It’s a beautiful book. Okay, and then separately
1:46:44 there’s a question that I’ve been asking myself a lot and
1:46:47 You can find this more
1:46:49 elaborated upon on my blog
1:46:55 Takes two or three minutes, but don’t freak out because the first few paragraphs of the blog post
1:47:01 But it’s a strong metaphor and the question is are you hunting antelope or field mice? And I’ve been thinking about this
1:47:08 With the podcast as well as with respect to next projects how I choose next projects, right? Because all we have is our energy and time
1:47:13 And if you spend it in one place, you can’t spend it in another
1:47:20 And uh, this particular question people can look it up for the history, but are you hunting are you?
1:47:24 Are you hunting antelope or field mice?
1:47:30 Is a reference to sort of the metaphor of the lion a lion can survive on field mice
1:47:34 But it’s going to ultimately be very very very very very very over busy
1:47:39 And it’s going to burn more calories than it earns through hunting field mice so be skinny
1:47:47 Don’t be skinny, but like pick a big it would be skinny if it was it would be skinny. Yeah, but pick a big audacious goal
1:47:49 That can feed you for a long time
1:47:53 Right, so as you’re being busy quote unquote
1:47:57 Like are you hunting field mice or antelope?
1:48:01 Can I challenge that for a second challenge? So if you’re hunting field mice
1:48:06 I’m assuming that’s easier pray easier to get
1:48:08 probably gives you more time to like
1:48:14 Sit watch watch netflix like the the one thing that that struck me about today
1:48:19 And I just like let’s have a little real talk. Oh, wow. Oh god coming to jesus moment. There we go
1:48:25 Like you went on this sabbatical. Yeah, and yet you had to write a book
1:48:31 I didn’t have I didn’t have to hold on hold on our friend our mutual friend. Oh boy. Oh shall not be named
1:48:34 Pointed this out as well. Yeah where it’s like
1:48:37 Can you sit?
1:48:40 And just be you or would that be too hard?
1:48:43 Okay, let’s do it. All right, so
1:48:49 Let yeah, this is this is good. Let’s let’s get into the fucking chewy bits
1:48:55 So I routinely every year spend at least a month off the grid
1:49:00 Right like last october. I was gone. I was in I was off the grid. Yeah, but you were doing shit
1:49:06 I was doing stuff, but here’s my question right and this was in our shared text thread
1:49:13 I basically said, okay, look so the accusation is that tim doesn’t know how to chill out. I’m like, okay
1:49:16 Fine, let’s take that as true if tim were to chill out
1:49:21 What does that look like on a daily and weekly basis and one of my challenges was
1:49:27 Humans are built to be social you have a family our mutual friend as a family. There’s an inbuilt
1:49:36 Social network in that family. I don’t have that right so my I mean, I you’re a brother to me
1:49:37 So you always have a family
1:49:42 Yeah, I appreciate that and like on a day-to-day basis when I wake up in the morning like, you know
1:49:46 My hotel room my house is empty, right? Yeah, so I need to go externally
1:49:49 I need to travel outside of the confines of my house to find
1:49:52 That human interaction
1:49:56 So the question is like, okay. Well, if you could write the script
1:50:00 What would tim ferris chilling out look like?
1:50:04 I don’t know what that would look like. What would it look like? Oh, it’s very simple. All right
1:50:06 I got the best answer for you ever. Oh boy
1:50:08 No script
1:50:11 That sounds like some fucking fortune cookie stuff that I can’t make sense of though. What does that mean?
1:50:13 I know you can’t make sense of it, but that’s the point
1:50:17 It’s no script. When have you done that?
1:50:23 When I did my meditation retreats when I do there’s no, but you had a you had a schedule for the for each day
1:50:28 Sure, but like I think that was like an intensive the silent retreat where you’re meditating again hours a day
1:50:34 Okay, I suffer from the same thing you do I suffer the same thing you do and that is that
1:50:39 We can’t like there’s a there’s a reason we’re all friends, right? We’re all fucking border collies chewing on the couch
1:50:42 We can’t turn it off. You know and it’s like
1:50:47 Honestly, I think the healthiest thing though would be to wake up with no agenda
1:50:53 For a month. Yeah with no friends for a month with the fact that you just wake up saying
1:50:59 What is today gonna bring and that is damn fucking hard for people that are driven like you and me are
1:51:04 So I did that for almost a month last october, but just some psychedelics during that time and shit. Come on
1:51:08 You just towards the end, but in that particular case. I mean, I’ll just say that
1:51:14 I don’t think humans are built for isolation and they’re agreed and there and there is a
1:51:17 fetishizing of self-sufficiency
1:51:22 And independence in the u.s. That I think is unhealthy. It exists in other places for sure
1:51:26 But if you look at our evolutionary biological like our biological programming
1:51:31 Completely refutes that to be exiled to be excluded from the group
1:51:37 Is effectively 100 right and I’m not I’m not arguing that but I’m arguing is like what if you couldn’t touch a pen or a computer for a month
1:51:40 They shoot arrows
1:51:42 or or both
1:51:44 yeah, yeah, I mean the uh
1:51:50 I do think and I can’t remember the particular attribution of this man. I wish I could really remember it but Ron Jeremy
1:52:00 The hedgehog no it was it was someone else, but it’s basically like man finds leisure through the through the
1:52:06 switching from one activity to another like one compelling activity to another something along those lines and
1:52:13 I wish I had the exact quote and the attribution, but I don’t and this this applies obviously cross-gender, but the point being
1:52:15 that
1:52:17 I’m not convinced that
1:52:19 being idle is
1:52:21 a
1:52:23 fruitful goal to have
1:52:27 If you can’t sit with yourself for five minutes. That’s a problem. Yeah, right
1:52:34 But different people have different constitutions and for me for instance, right if you look at the four hour work week
1:52:42 Okay, so I get rid of not get rid of but I automate my whole business bubble. What do I do? I end up doing tangos like six to eight hours a day, right?
1:52:46 But that was not done from a
1:52:51 Position of obligation or
1:52:58 fear it was done from a place of like enthusiasm and excitement and love that’s different and
1:53:02 That I think is good medicine, right?
1:53:05 so
1:53:11 As long as I have the self-awareness to distinguish between something that is done from a place of fear
1:53:15 or guilt or prestige hunger or
1:53:21 Responsibility or some nebulous obligation versus the things that enliven me. Mm-hmm
1:53:27 I think being active is fine as long as I land in the latter category. Yeah, right like for instance
1:53:33 Like I’m doing a lot of archery right now and I fucking love it. Like I am so
1:53:40 Fed by it and I’m not saying I’m the world’s best. I certainly am not but I just find it so meditative
1:53:46 And but can I ask you one question? One of the things I’m really curious about is like
1:53:49 Tim like I I respect you so much because of
1:53:53 how I’ve watched you dissect and
1:53:59 You know assimilate like information like no other human I’ve ever seen on earth and you are able to
1:54:08 Learn and pick up and go deep on any topic within a matter of minutes or hours or weeks, you know, like you do that quite well
1:54:16 The one thing that is the rounding out of the holistic picture of tim that i’m curious if you could ever tap into
1:54:19 is the tim that says
1:54:21 I can just
1:54:24 be without having to go
1:54:30 For those things or having to engage in that type of thinking, you know, that type of like
1:54:34 Pursuit that type of analyzing, you know
1:54:40 I Darya my wife is she’s a phd neuroscience and and I oftentimes get engaged in
1:54:44 Intense debates with her about this where i’m just like chill the fuck out. No, I’m just
1:54:50 Darya don’t listen this far
1:54:54 So but I’m just like, you know, I’m like I’m like I wish
1:55:00 I wish with all my friends balance and I think the where our mutual friend was trying to get to is like
1:55:02 Might you find fold the mark?
1:55:08 Might you find a little bit more of that side of the house because you have the other in spades?
1:55:12 Yeah, yeah, it’s a good question. I mean, I’ll sit with it. I think the balance can come in a lot of different forms
1:55:19 Right, so the the balance is time bound right in the sense that is it balanced on a daily basis?
1:55:21 Is it on a weekly basis?
1:55:25 No, hold on. Hold on. No, it’s not it’s it’s finding the right conceptual
1:55:31 Framework through is to think about it and I don’t think that’s a mistake. I think it’s actually very helpful
1:55:35 Depends on how your mind works right for me though
1:55:37 It’s like if I’m super intense for a month
1:55:41 And I’m going 10 out of 10 and then I’m zero out of 10 for a month
1:55:44 Like that equates to kind of a five five, right?
1:55:48 That’s have me a certain degree of balance
1:55:52 But it’s not if you looked at it on the minute to minute hour to hour day to day
1:55:57 It would look very lopsided. I know a fantastic app that I would love to build for you
1:56:01 Which would be like the tim tim random app and like you open up every morning
1:56:03 And it tells you what to do for a month and it’d be like today
1:56:09 It’s like what the fuck is this and you’d be like, oh, I have to buy a slip-and-slide and go down it 20 times
1:56:15 Like you know just like something where it’s just like throwing you completely out of your like and you’re like wow
1:56:19 I didn’t have to think about it. I didn’t have to overanalyze it. It’s just a fucking thing
1:56:25 I’m going to do. Well, this is this is part of the curse of the entrepreneur, but it’s also but I’m just saying
1:56:29 Yeah, 100% you know exactly what I’m talking about. We’ve talked about this, but also
1:56:32 But also at the same time these are your mics
1:56:33 I know these are my mics
1:56:38 But also at the same time I will say that like when you introduce another partner
1:56:43 It’s the dance that’s fucking hard, right? Yeah, because Daria is very much about like
1:56:49 Structure and shit where I’m just Daria and I are very similar very similar super. Yeah. Love you Daria
1:56:53 She’s you with hair. You’re the best. Yeah, but Kevin does nobody does a better body
1:57:00 I mean you look at my AI her ass is about as good as I am. I’m sorry
1:57:07 Thank you everyone for tuning in to the show
1:57:13 Great to see you buddy. I love you brother. Yeah, I love you too. It’s uh, it’s always good to hang out with you
1:57:17 Seriously, like I I wish we could be in the same city for
1:57:23 A fucking year or two seriously 100% okay. So if we can talk Daria to move in Austin, I would be doing
1:57:30 Seriously, we’ll figure it out. We’ll figure it out. Good to see you buddy. All right. All right, man. Peace. See you guys and uh
1:57:36 Oh, yeah for all the links and whatever images of me and my speedos and all that good jazz go to tim.blog/podcast
1:57:41 Yes, and check out my Kevin’s episode at KevinRose.com. There we go. KevinRose.com. All right everybody. Take care
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