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0:00:04 What on earth have you given me that is how you can measure your nighttime erections
0:00:09 It’s unbelievable in ways. It improves health and wellness
0:00:17 Brian Johnson is back the billionaire who’s spending two million dollars a year to stay young forever through algorithmic precision
0:00:23 This is the most impactful humanitarian project ever trying to find the very best side to the world how you can extend your life
0:00:29 Honestly, I’m in the absolute peak performance of my entire life
0:00:38 I’ve extended my lifespan over 30% reduce my age by 12 years increased muscle and strength and now six months of
0:00:42 Perfect sleep. I have accomplished the best sleep score in history a
0:00:48 Demonstration of human ability because if I can do it everyone else can do it too every second of every day
0:00:51 We’re all trying not to die. That’s what we’re doing as society right now
0:00:53 It’s not working very well
0:00:58 but if an algorithm could manage your health and wellness for you and achieve near perfect health
0:01:04 Would you opt into that because we found it, but what can the average person do one thing that works is?
0:01:09 You really yeah, it’s like the super of superfoods. There you go
0:01:13 Not how you meant to have that
0:01:18 And what comes next the best is yet to come Kate. Hello, Kate. Will you come on out?
0:01:26 So you’re the first woman on earth to follow Brian’s lifestyle, that’s right. What’s been the biggest sacrifice?
0:01:28 Brian
0:01:40 You’re now coming up on
0:01:45 Almost three years since you started blueprint, which is your sort of anti-aging
0:01:49 Life-extending longevity protocol. Is that accurate? That’s accurate
0:01:53 give me a
0:01:56 Overview of the benefits you’ve been able to achieve in those three years. I
0:02:01 Legitimately have never been happier in my entire life
0:02:09 What it’s like when you have a series of bad nights of sleep and you like you’re eating poorly and you sleep poorly
0:02:12 In a week or two, you just normalize to that new norm
0:02:13 You don’t realize what you’ve lost
0:02:18 It just becomes invisible to you and then when you bounce back after a really great night’s sleep and you take care of yourself
0:02:22 You make the observation. This is the most remarkable thing ever
0:02:24 I wish I could exist like this all the time and
0:02:31 I’ve hit that state where I’m in the absolute peak performance of my entire life. I’ve never been as well-rested
0:02:35 I’ve never been as clear with greater clarity of mind. I’ve never
0:02:41 Been more calm emotionally. Yeah, I’m not provoked. I’m not irritable
0:02:44 Things are that I struggled with before
0:02:49 It’s true that you don’t know how bad you felt until you feel good
0:02:54 I can relate it’s dealing with oneself is
0:03:01 The most challenging thing and this is from my experience the most challenging thing in my existence is understanding my own self like a
0:03:07 Trying to map out where I’m self-aware and where I’m unaware where my self-awareness ends and
0:03:15 What I’ve normalized to and couldn’t longer see what status quo hides from me what biases I have in my brain what blind spots
0:03:16 I have I’m
0:03:23 Blind to so much of reality and I just have no idea and the brain plays these tricks on us
0:03:27 Where we believe with confidence that we have we’re the master of our reality that we see all things
0:03:30 We feel all things that if something’s missing we’re going to note it
0:03:35 But really my life has become trying to find out what’s invisible to me
0:03:39 What are some of those psychological biases that you think most people still don’t realize?
0:03:43 Man, it’s like my most favorite topic because
0:03:50 We are fooled into thinking that we truly understand
0:04:00 Our situation our reality and there’s so many easy tricks one can play even something simple like if you prime somebody with words like
0:04:05 Grandma grandmother or grandfather or like things that trigger
0:04:10 Thoughts of old age or being slow and you ask the person to walk down the hallway
0:04:17 To do a task those who’ve been primed with old sounding were old really associated words and young
0:04:20 the old associated walk more slowly and
0:04:27 The young watch clock quicker we incorporate all these things into the way we act and the way we think and what we
0:04:29 internally
0:04:31 Generate and we just it’s beyond our awareness
0:04:38 So for people that don’t know what the word priming means essentially if you just say those words to somebody if you say grandmother or grandfather or old
0:04:42 Associated elderly associated words to somebody in studies. They then walk slower
0:04:45 I’m really interested in the behavioral stuff because I think
0:04:52 Most of us are governed by a set of stories that we’ve come to like believe about ourselves that we’ve probably learned from
0:04:55 False evidence along the way and we’re now living our lives in accordance with that
0:05:01 False instruction manual like there’s a puppet master pulling the strings telling me that I am a
0:05:05 Entrepreneur that does a podcast in that I am I’m unorganized and I’m not you know whatever
0:05:10 How does one go about understanding that those words are governing our lives?
0:05:15 But then also more importantly getting rid of the power that they’re exerting over us
0:05:22 there’s a few things I do on a daily basis to help me one I read a book by Gary Becker the economics of life when I was
0:05:24 24 years old and
0:05:28 He would take any given topic like poverty something that would be non
0:05:32 You wouldn’t think that this thing relates to math and economics
0:05:38 It’s just like this social phenomena that I would have previously heard someone tell me a story about and he would break them down
0:05:44 Using economics, and I thought that’s unreal a world understood
0:05:48 Through numbers and graphs and models not through stories. No one’s gonna tell me any story
0:05:51 They’re just gonna lay this out and I realize that there are limitations
0:05:54 Of course those things like stories are embedded in those to some extent
0:06:00 however from the world I came from where it was dominant on on story to see that the world could be
0:06:03 Objectively measured
0:06:08 Understood and quantified changed my reality. And so now when I look at a given situation
0:06:13 I try to identify what is the numerical representation of this thing?
0:06:14 What is the mathematical formula?
0:06:21 What is the graph that explains this phenomena not through a story lens, but like what actually are what systems are at play?
0:06:27 So try to parse through all the all the decoys that would otherwise take me down a different path and then secondarily is
0:06:34 Example of that. What’s an example? I mean so like what determines whether I have high-quality sleep and
0:06:38 Most of the time in my previous in my life my sleep
0:06:42 Quality was something like a random. I would go to sleep and I would have no idea
0:06:44 What was impacting?
0:06:49 Why I would get high quality sleep or not and then I could numerically back out
0:06:50 That’s what I’ve done in the past few years
0:06:57 It’s what elements contribute to and how those biological processes function and then what happens when and you can map out the entirety of
0:06:59 that process
0:07:03 Last time we’d spoken. I think you were on four months of perfect sleep
0:07:09 Where are you at now? I completed six months of perfect sleep
0:07:18 And what does perfect sleep 100% sleep score and that’s judged by my wearable by whoop. Okay, and so before I did this
0:07:22 Nobody had achieved that
0:07:30 Series of 100% scores and many people who who’ve had a device like that for over a year have never once achieved a
0:07:36 100% sleep score and what I was trying to do was something akin to like a four-minute mile or
0:07:41 Emilia Earhart flying to plane across the Atlantic or you know someone climbing Everest
0:07:43 it was basically a
0:07:50 Demonstration of human ability that people didn’t think was possible and then once one person demonstrates it
0:07:55 It opens it up for everyone else because if I can do it everyone else knows they can do it too
0:07:58 And so I wanted to show that reliable
0:08:06 High-quality sleep is achievable and that if you do that it could potentially give you the best
0:08:13 Cognitive and emotional performance of your life. Do you think there’s a human being an adult human being on planet Earth?
0:08:16 That’s slept better than you for the last six months
0:08:20 There’s currently no one that has shared data
0:08:26 That has achieved that so if we’re just looking at the data alone, which is not an entire representation
0:08:30 Then yeah, I I’ve accomplished the best sleep score in history
0:08:38 Impressive and for just to recap so I’m clear cuz I know we discussed this last time you go to bed at like 8 8 p.m. Right?
0:08:42 8 30 8 30 and your last meal of the day is
0:08:48 Before midday yeah, that’s right 11 a.m. 8 30 and you’re still doing that. You’re still going to bed 8 30 every day. That’s right
0:08:52 people are I feel like this their sleep is getting worse and worse in society with
0:08:58 Stimulants that we consume the way we live our lives devices destroy sleep
0:09:05 Do you think sleep is really the foundation of daily performance
0:09:10 Would you would you aim at that first if you were someone that was trying to start your journey to live a
0:09:14 life more in line with your long-term goals
0:09:20 Sleep is the single most important thing any human does on any given day
0:09:22 If you look at it from a cultural identity
0:09:28 Standpoint people like you and me who work hard at an entrepreneurial endeavor
0:09:34 There’s this mythology that if you sleep under your desk or you go days without sleep
0:09:39 You’re a hero that people will tell stories about you. It’s like the old
0:09:44 Like I guess Viking mythology where you you have these stories told about your great deeds
0:09:47 And so it’s almost like if you’re a great entrepreneur
0:09:53 And if you want to be respected by your peers and if you want to achieve mythology like status
0:09:56 You do that sleep deprivation thing
0:09:59 And so it’s built so far into our cultural identity
0:10:07 So when people I know when my friends who I act as a therapist for many people who go through this thing or there
0:10:12 They don’t realize why they actually can’t prioritize sleep. And then when we dig deep is that they have these
0:10:20 Imaginations of the kind of person they want to become and how they want others to view them and they feel trapped
0:10:22 that if they don’t
0:10:24 complete the mythology lore
0:10:31 That they’ll somehow be less than and they won’t achieve their ranking among the social group and it’s all backwards the
0:10:35 the shift that’s appropriate is
0:10:42 And it’s happening actually right now is that the person who prioritizes sleep is going to be higher performing
0:10:48 They’ll be more lucid. They’ll be they’ll have better ideas that people who don’t sleep are
0:10:53 Literally half dead. They’re actually intoxicated. They’re impaired
0:10:59 Physiologically physiologically they’re impaired explain that when you are sleep deprived
0:11:05 To a certain degree it is equal to being intoxicated by alcohol. You’re inebriated
0:11:13 And so these are the people who are leading organizations. There are groups of a large number of individuals that are
0:11:19 Expecting them to make high quality decisions on behalf of the entire group
0:11:24 And it’s those very people who are not sleeping well and who are impaired in their judgment
0:11:31 It’s backwards. And so this is it’s a it’s a good note to make and this goes back to the first conversation of
0:11:39 What am I not aware of if you’re playing the script of social norms of doing what people say and you’re not questioning them
0:11:42 then you’re living a
0:11:49 You’re living in a pat in the past of antiquated ideas that are hurtful to you
0:11:53 Like here’s one more example. I was at a conference the day and
0:12:00 The gentleman who was interviewing me said hey who here thinks that you can live forever and there’s like two people were like
0:12:08 Who who here thinks you’re going to die and like everyone’s hand shut up and I was commenting to them that
0:12:11 When when you read history
0:12:19 Who in a historical moment actually understood what was happening in that time and place
0:12:24 You’re 99% of people are living in the past
0:12:28 They repeat the things that people in the past had said the future had already arrived
0:12:33 So if it’s like the year 1634 the future already arrived in 1634
0:12:37 It’s just the people that are living during that time frame. Don’t know it. They hadn’t seen it yet
0:12:40 They hadn’t been exposed to or they maybe they exposed to it
0:12:42 But they thought it was crazy or the person was a quack
0:12:47 And so you’re always people are always living in the past and so the same is true right now
0:12:53 We are living in the past the future is already here the ideas and technologies are out there
0:12:57 Maybe you and I’ve seen it. Maybe we can’t maybe we encounter it. Maybe we believe it
0:13:04 We don’t but it’s definitely here right now and sleep is one of those things where the future is already here and people who are
0:13:08 Playing the mythology of no sleep and are the desk and everything else. They’re living in the past
0:13:11 I think a lot of people listening who do struggle with sleep
0:13:16 Do you believe in the importance of sleep at least if you ask them they’d say they did but
0:13:21 For whatever reason, you know, they might have sleep related difficulties. They might have insomnia
0:13:27 They might lay in bed all night and just feel anxious whatever else and it’s those people that I
0:13:29 Want to offer some advice to
0:13:32 the people that
0:13:37 Yeah, they work hard and stuff, but they just struggle with sleep. Yeah, there’s a difference between
0:13:43 The acknowledgement that sleep may be good for you and like you say, yeah, I’m on board a good sleep
0:13:50 It’s an entirely different situation when you prioritize your life around that which means if somebody’s like, hey, let’s grab a drink
0:13:53 sorry, can’t my bedtime’s at blank or
0:13:55 if
0:14:01 You’re if you find that you sleep better by having earlier meals and then you’re in a social event
0:14:02 I’m gonna eat anyways
0:14:09 So it forces you to make really hard decisions on your actual lifestyle, which it does it pitch you against social norms
0:14:13 Which are uncomfortable. We want to fit in we want to have friends. We want to be part of the tribe
0:14:21 So it does really invite but that every person who makes the gesture who does it makes the tribe stronger
0:14:23 So when one person’s brave enough to say
0:14:30 Actually, I’m gonna hit the sack guys and think oh man, you’re you’re such a wuss while you’re doing that hang out man
0:14:35 Like what’s wrong with you? What you like they they jokingly try to belittle a little bit
0:14:39 It’s kind of serious and kind of not but every time somebody does that and has the courage
0:14:42 There’s several others in that group or like damn I
0:14:47 Now feel empowered that I can say something and that’s the norm that’s shifting
0:14:50 But this it’s the same social dynamics in whatever time you’re in
0:14:54 It’s just understanding that and not being owned by it
0:15:00 And then I guess the other the other exception potentially is parents that don’t have yeah
0:15:02 childcare
0:15:06 Because yes, I mean I’ve when I speak to parents they always tell me they like Steve listen when you have a kid
0:15:12 You can forget your no meetings before 11 a.m. The rule and your whoop HRV competition
0:15:19 Yeah, because when that baby cries at 3 a.m. You know and then at 4 a.m. And then 5 a.m.. You’re just gonna be dragged through the mud with them
0:15:25 So yeah, that’s true and having raised three kids. I can attest that that’s true also
0:15:30 You can definitely establish a sleep culture in your family
0:15:36 Where you can make it understandable that once the child goes to sleep at whatever age
0:15:40 The expectation is they’re in their bedroom for that entire duration of time
0:15:43 absent something a
0:15:48 Fire or them feeling threatened for their life if it’s because they lost their play their toy car under their bed
0:15:54 Or it’s because they can’t find their blankie. None of that justifies leaving the room and entering, you know
0:15:57 The parents bedroom so there’s definitely things that can be done
0:16:02 You’re not entirely powerless and you can make meaningful improvements by setting the standard for the entire family
0:16:07 That starts with the parents like what what hygiene do they maintain and what do they pass on to children?
0:16:09 But it’s not entirely hopeless based on the way you live your life now
0:16:13 You must look at people and see a whole lot of excuses and a whole lack of
0:16:19 Responsibility everywhere you go every tweet you get every comment you see it must just to you reek of low
0:16:25 Responsibility because you’re someone that as you said last time has kind of given up control of yourself to this
0:16:28 Blueprint which really is the essence of
0:16:31 Discipline is completely surrendering to that
0:16:34 Do you think people are?
0:16:40 Lacking in responsibility and follow excuses about their lives. I mean who of us are
0:16:42 not that
0:16:45 And like any of us who would dare say
0:16:51 Otherwise are deceiving ourselves and this is again as self-awareness is we all are
0:16:57 Self-deception machines and anyone who doesn’t believe that is self-deceiving
0:17:06 Do you still self-deceive? Absolutely. What are you still self-deceiving yourself? I suspect I wouldn’t trust myself in my own pantry
0:17:08 With a bunch of junk food
0:17:15 That’s why in my house I can have I I’ve eliminated all self-harm. There’s just nothing I can do because I don’t trust myself
0:17:18 That’s not like I you know
0:17:24 I feel like I’ve created so much discipline and confidence to like put it in front of me and I won’t do it even though
0:17:29 I do on a daily basis where I’m in social situations. I don’t put myself in that environment, but yeah, I mean I
0:17:37 My goal is to find where I’m in error in thought and action
0:17:40 constantly
0:17:46 That’s it that’s the gym that’s a treasure chest is finding out where you’ve missed
0:17:50 But you can know you’ve missed it somewhere. I think about areas in my life where I go
0:17:55 I know what the right thing to do is but for whatever reason I keep not doing the right thing
0:17:57 Yeah, and I keep getting the feedback. Yeah, okay
0:18:01 You mess that up Steve and then you know weak passes and I might do the same thing again
0:18:07 The one game we all humans play every human on the planet is playing is don’t die
0:18:10 Every second of every day
0:18:14 We’re all trying not die not to die. So we look both ways before we cross the street
0:18:20 We have carbon monoxide detectors. We don’t seek out. We don’t drink poison, you know on purpose
0:18:23 Like we do all these things to not die now
0:18:28 The weird thing though is I can look both ways before I cross the street and also be smoking a cigarette
0:18:32 And that’s just the nuances of the human mind
0:18:37 But what I wanted to do with blueprint is I wanted to say, okay, if you really take do don’t die to the absolute extreme
0:18:43 I’m going to measure every biological process in my body and find out where every cell is aging
0:18:49 like where basically where dying is happening and then I’m going to identify all those behaviors and I’m going to go
0:18:51 To try to eliminate every behavior
0:18:57 That contributes to don’t dying. So what is possible in 2023 for the ultimate?
0:19:01 effort of don’t die on every front and that means
0:19:07 No excuses ever for anything. So a six month sleep score like you basically have to say
0:19:09 This is in stone
0:19:15 It’s not going to be change under any circumstance because I’m trying to prove a point of what could be done with the science in this moment
0:19:20 So when you said about the cigarette example, you’ll cross the road
0:19:22 You’ll look both ways to make sure you don’t get hit by a truck
0:19:26 We’ll be smoking the way that I interpreted that is okay. We don’t want to die and
0:19:31 What we will want to sign up to don’t die, but none of us want to sign up to don’t live
0:19:35 Yeah, with with living
0:19:42 You’re mapping that to like some sensorial pleasure. Just some kind of yeah
0:19:49 Yeah, some kind of pleasure whether it’s having a couple of cocktails. Yeah staying up late and watching Netflix or whatever it might be
0:19:55 Yeah, yeah, and you’re trying to find the things that create the stimuli that you you care about
0:19:58 Yeah, I think most people want to extend their life
0:20:03 but I I think they only want to extend it as long as they can live within that extension and
0:20:09 Obviously what you’ve chosen to do is to extend your life and make
0:20:13 Bigger sacrifices than the average Joe would be prepared to make
0:20:20 Yeah, the the argument I’m making is in any other time as a Homo sapien. I
0:20:24 Completely understand that thought process do your thing
0:20:29 The difference right now is we’re baby steps away from superintelligence
0:20:34 Which means for the first time in the history of Homo sapiens we may not die
0:20:38 And so I’m arguing that only in this moment doesn’t make sense
0:20:44 To take these extreme measures because before you can easily say look, I’m willing to trade
0:20:50 10 years of end life for this version of life now reasonable understandable sure
0:20:53 But in this moment
0:20:59 You may miss out on the most spectacular existence in all of history. So why why do that for some cheap?
0:21:03 Thrill, what’s that spectacular existence? I might miss on
0:21:06 It’s complicated
0:21:11 Definitely complicated to be human when you look at the capabilities of AI as it’s emerging
0:21:14 There’s reason to believe that
0:21:19 We are acquiring the ability to engineer
0:21:22 reality
0:21:25 We can physically
0:21:29 Engineer atoms molecules organisms we can create
0:21:38 Experiences with with certain chemicals we can program physical we can program visual digital realities
0:21:42 We have our fingers on the ability
0:21:47 To engineer and program the entirety of our reality increasingly
0:21:50 that
0:21:57 Opens up an expanse of opportunity that is so far beyond our imagination. We can’t even begin to pretend
0:21:59 Like we understand
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0:23:18 What are the
0:23:20 Concerns though if everybody gets older
0:23:27 Isn’t there going to be like huge disparities in like wealth and stuff because I read some stats that the global share of wealth held by
0:23:30 people over the age of 65 is
0:23:36 Increasing in 2020 people age 65 and older held 35% of global wealth by
0:23:40 2050 they’re projected to hold almost 50% of global wealth
0:23:43 Isn’t it going to be the case that if we’re all living longer
0:23:46 You’d imagine like think about some of the richest people in the world now
0:23:50 They would just accrue more and more wealth older generations would have more wealth and younger generations would
0:23:56 Would have very little there’d be this kind of disparity within society the 250 year olds will all be like billionaires
0:24:01 Yeah, that’s just an engineering problem. It’s society’s public policy
0:24:06 So do you believe in like a universal basic income where we’d hand money to people?
0:24:10 I mean, I don’t think it’s not a reason to not want the future. It’s not a reason to not want longevity
0:24:13 It’s not a reason why we shouldn’t extend life. It’s not a reason why somebody should be deprived
0:24:16 It’s not like if you’re wealthy and you’re old you should die
0:24:19 You know, it’s like it’s everyone’s got this opportunity for life
0:24:24 And if there’s a very large disparity, it’s getting worse. It’s a public policy problem
0:24:31 Do you not think from like a philosophical standpoint that death is part of life? I if you look at any sort of animal kingdom
0:24:37 Death is part of the sort of a natural attrition that creates new offspring new mutations new
0:24:39 energy new ideas, I guess
0:24:44 It has been the system of intelligence that produced us
0:24:51 We have now taken the reins and we are now the new system of intelligence this creating life going forward
0:24:56 When did we take the reins when we started learning how to engineer biology?
0:25:03 When we when we this is what I spent the past 10 years doing is my observation was after selling brain tree Venmo
0:25:06 It’s amazing that we have been able to create
0:25:13 The capability set in the digital world you take a problem that can be solved by people sitting down at a computer encoding
0:25:15 software
0:25:18 We can as a species we’re extraordinarily good at it
0:25:22 Millions and millions of people that can do it and solve problems very quickly
0:25:26 If you take a problem in the physical world, like we say the coral reef is dying around the world
0:25:29 Which is creating a major problem in these in oceans
0:25:35 How do you make a coral reef that is more robust to heat or to?
0:25:42 Big deviations you need to have the same programmability of programming of building a new coral reef
0:25:45 They can do that sort of thing if that’s an approach to the problem
0:25:48 We need to have those abilities and so the goal I had was
0:25:56 We need this foundational technology so that any problem in the physical world whether it be our health the health of the oceans
0:26:03 Anything you know building a global a boy a biological immune system. We need to have these physical abilities and so once you have that
0:26:07 You can program physical reality including
0:26:13 Conscious states including the earth health including our health and wellness all things become possibilities. Do you are you talking about colonel?
0:26:19 No, my I had a venture fund. Okay. Yeah, what is colonel? What are you doing with colonel?
0:26:26 Colonel is a way for us to use science and data to build our best
0:26:33 Cognitive existence so like for example, it’s easy for each of us to to get on a scale and see our weight and
0:26:35 When we see weight is climbing very quickly
0:26:42 You know, we think that’s not a good situation because that leads to bad health outcomes. I don’t feel great. And so there’s like a
0:26:46 It’s a good feedback mechanism for how am I doing with my health with my weight
0:26:52 We don’t have the same equivalent for our brains. You can get an MRI or you can get a PET scan
0:26:55 They’re great, but they’re hard to get
0:26:59 They are expensive. It’s very laborious to actually do it
0:27:04 We need to be able to acquire information about our brains as easy as it is to step on a scale and get our weight
0:27:11 And that’s what we built a colonel is the bike helmet you put on your head and you find out important information about your brain
0:27:17 I had my brain scanned last week. Have you seen your brain? Of course you’ve seen your brain. Yeah, did you find out anything about your brain?
0:27:19 I did we well
0:27:22 I wanted to demonstrate that you could ask a question
0:27:26 What happens when and then take a given thing about the brain like what happens when I do a psychedelic?
0:27:28 What happens when I play a game what happens when I don’t sleep?
0:27:31 Well, what happens when and all the things we do that affects our brain and in this case
0:27:33 I was a pilot participant for ketamine
0:27:38 So we run a 15-person ketamine study ketamine is a anesthetic
0:27:44 also used to tranquilize horses also a party drug and so I received a dose of
0:27:49 ketamine in my arm and then I was in that experience for 45 minutes and
0:27:56 What we saw was interesting and that I had my brain measured for 10 minutes a day for five days before during the ketamine experience and then five then
0:28:02 14 days afterwards and I think those the most interesting thing is my brain patterns like if you think about the patterns
0:28:08 I can imagine you’re looking at planet earth and there’s airports all over the earth and you’re seeing traffic patterns between each airport
0:28:12 So between Tokyo and New York, there’s a lot of traffic London New York a lot of traffic
0:28:17 But between, you know smaller cities you have just a few planes here and there there’s big traffic patterns in our brains of
0:28:24 Where activities happening and those patterns tell you things about yourself like sounds like you had some analysis done
0:28:30 And when I did get it when I did the five days of measurement my patterns on my brain were stable every single day
0:28:36 They were the same the same traffic from the same place to and from and then when I did ketamine it
0:28:39 scrambled all of my patterns
0:28:42 It’s like you took the globe and you just like
0:28:48 remapped where all the airports were and like okay planes start flying and then over
0:28:54 On day three four my patterns started forming again back in a similar way
0:29:00 And so there was that two to like one to three day therapeutic window where I was very open to
0:29:07 New pattern creation and it was there’s this joke among my colleagues where we were walking from one meeting to another and
0:29:10 There was a wall that it was in front of us
0:29:15 And I this is day two after I took ketamine and I thought I’m gonna jump over the wall like that seemed like a fun idea
0:29:20 Why not so I just spontaneously jumped over the wall and then all my colleagues were like
0:29:24 What are you doing? We’re in a work environment. We don’t jump over walls
0:29:27 And I hadn’t thought about it in that frame
0:29:29 But I wonder if in that moment
0:29:33 I was open to doing something different and unique that I normally wouldn’t have done because I had this opening
0:29:35 But it was cool to see my patterns
0:29:42 Where they were how they change and how they reformed and some kind of window that opened up as how I could remap my own experience
0:29:47 I mean, that’s probably a pretty compelling case for psychedelics as it relates to mental health
0:29:55 And you know, if we think of met some mental health disorders as being stuck in patterns patterns of thinking patterns of belief patterns of behavior
0:29:58 There’s been quite
0:30:03 Incredible clinical studies done to show the impact. That’s something like psilocybin
0:30:06 Well, I begin to have on addiction or depression
0:30:09 What’s your view on psychedelics?
0:30:10 They’re powerful
0:30:13 Yeah, and I hope that colonel
0:30:19 accelerates their progress because most of the the measurements are done through questionnaires
0:30:24 You’re asking the person how they felt how they felt and their perspective
0:30:27 But we know that our subjective experiences are not terribly reliable
0:30:32 Like when I after I had ketamine if I were to use words to explain what I experienced
0:30:35 I don’t know if I’m asked on day three how I felt in day one
0:30:39 It’s hard to remember now you can journal to try to make more detailed notes
0:30:41 but it’s really hard to
0:30:43 subjectively
0:30:47 account for your brain and so having a a system that tracks the data
0:30:51 Remove some of that challenge and it could help usher in
0:30:54 psychedelics for
0:31:00 Much broader adoption much faster because you’ve got data to support what you’re trying to demonstrate. Have you tried all the psychedelics?
0:31:07 Are you asking?
0:31:09 I’ve had some experiences
0:31:11 mushrooms
0:31:13 I’ve done mushrooms
0:31:19 What’d you think really interesting experience? Did it did it change your?
0:31:25 Your opinion or your perspective of your own mind
0:31:28 Yes, yes
0:31:31 I was
0:31:36 Overseas I think I was in Peru or something and I was at a mushroom ceremony whatever and I’d taken the
0:31:43 treatment at the Charmin or whatever had given me and I didn’t think it was working so I went over and sat down on my laptop
0:31:46 Yeah, really fucking bad idea
0:31:49 For whatever reason and this is so on me
0:31:53 I clicked on like Netflix because everyone was over there and they were all having their experience
0:31:56 I thought I’ll just I’ll just watch something on Netflix and I don’t watch I didn’t even watch Netflix
0:31:59 I click something on Netflix and as I’m watching it
0:32:02 It’s like some I don’t know some
0:32:08 Reality TV thing and it just becomes really apparent to me that these people’s values that I’m watching are like really bad
0:32:12 They’re all like bitching about each other and they’re all being mean to each other
0:32:18 And at that very moment the world started to just spin and shake and I put the laptop away and went and joined the gang
0:32:20 wrote about 35 notes of
0:32:28 Handwriting again, I never write with my hands about connection and in that moment I learned that like my perception on reality so fragile
0:32:34 Mm-hmm. And so what do I believe? Mm-hmm. You know if this experience that I’m having with you now this
0:32:41 Asception of reality is that fragile that one little capsule that I can just shake it all then Jesus is
0:32:44 I can’t trust much. Can I I?
0:32:47 Love that so much
0:32:51 That’s so beautiful
0:32:57 Like what do we really know about anything and like you said like
0:32:59 There’s one little plant and
0:33:09 You eat it you ingest it and then somehow your reality is absolutely transformed into something that you never imagined was possible
0:33:17 But then you come right back you do and this is also this is the frame around like don’t die so I understand
0:33:24 Before our time in place right now like in the 19th century sure do your thing because you’re gonna die and that’s fine
0:33:26 but right now
0:33:29 It gets three with your your mushroom experience
0:33:33 Do you feel open to the idea?
0:33:37 that we may acquire new capabilities of
0:33:44 conscious experience creation that could make your reality more interesting and
0:33:48 More worthwhile like whatever then anything you could ever imagine
0:33:54 Yes, but it also could not sure because I just don’t know so again. It goes back to like
0:33:57 It’s hard for people to bet on uncertainty in their lives
0:34:04 Yes, people don’t know who wants to bet on I don’t know interesting. Are you basically impartial?
0:34:13 I’m kind of good with what life’s like now. I think life’s quite cool now. I think I think I still feel like I’m bending
0:34:20 Reality by the way that I like live my life and the things I’ve achieved and I still feel like I’ve got more mountains to climb in my life and
0:34:23 higher peaks to see so
0:34:30 You see what I’m saying? Yeah, so it’s not really about a dissatisfaction so much now as the driver. It’s that
0:34:34 The possibilities are a motivator that you if you say
0:34:39 It’s just the possibility some
0:34:44 Something you’ve not experienced a new reality you could experience like some
0:34:47 We’re walking into the cradle of super intelligence
0:34:52 Okay, so let’s define super intelligence just in case it’s someone’s lost us along the way
0:34:58 Okay, when you say super intelligence you’re talking about like artificial intelligence and computers that are
0:35:04 You know infinitely more intelligent than we are and how we can interface with that intelligence to bring
0:35:09 Make our lives and our decisions and our capabilities better. That’s right like the
0:35:14 Computational intelligence on near future timelines
0:35:22 Are going to be far superior to our form of intelligence like how and when and what forms no one knows
0:35:25 But if you look at the trajectory of the speed
0:35:29 It’s fast. It’s faster than our minds can comprehend
0:35:35 And so if we whatever comparison you want to make like whether you know an ant relative to us or
0:35:41 Whatever the version is or a homo rectus to us. I don’t we don’t know those details on what their experience is
0:35:48 But if you just try to think about the scale of intelligence and what that experience may be like even though we don’t know
0:35:51 but it’s interesting your response is
0:35:56 Informative for me. I have a bias and this goes back to my blindness. I
0:36:00 think this idea of walking to the cradle of
0:36:09 Artificial super intelligence and the ability to engineer all of reality is the coolest opportunity
0:36:15 Maybe in the known galaxy. What’s the most compelling argument you’ve heard
0:36:18 Against your do not die position
0:36:25 The one that troubles you the most I’m entirely unconvinced by any argument that I’ve ever heard about it
0:36:32 Are you entirely convinced by the do not die argument
0:36:39 I’m convinced through the thought experiment. I did if I if I try to transport myself to the 25th century
0:36:45 And of course they have a sober a detached cold
0:36:49 Soberness objective soberness looking back to the 21st century that we don’t
0:36:55 Just like we look back in history and we can see with clarity what we’re so caught up in this moment
0:37:01 We’re blinded by so many of these realities and they would look but I’m convinced by my father experiment that they look back and be like
0:37:04 of course in the early 21st century
0:37:12 Homo sapiens figured out that they had developed the technology to continually expand their life and that
0:37:19 So they call like the homo sapien culture shifted to the preservation of life
0:37:24 Whereas right now we’re all on the death track and then we play all the fun games along the death track
0:37:28 But it’s we just you have to shift the entire zeitgeist
0:37:34 Well, we we do the exact opposite of what we’re doing today and instead of embracing and celebrating death rituals
0:37:41 We move entirely to life extension rituals. Do you think like living forever is possible or even reverse reversing age?
0:37:46 Yeah, I mean I so like basically with all the arguments. I come down to this idea
0:37:54 This is akin to us to us interviewing homo erectus a million years ago and
0:38:01 Asking homo erectus to make observations on what it’s going to be like to be
0:38:07 Homo sapiens a million years later have our kind of cognition have our technology
0:38:12 Homo erectus would have nothing like almost nothing useful to say
0:38:21 Do we care what they want or don’t want what they’re scared of do we value it in any way like it’s interesting from
0:38:30 Just an observational perspective, but do we really think that homo erectus has wisdom of some sort that would allow us to
0:38:35 Yeah, to step into this existence, that’s why I think that we’re at now is like we’re basically
0:38:40 we’re sufficiently primitive in our thought I
0:38:48 Don’t believe in anything we say as it relates to the to the future because the intelligence we’re walking into is so far superior to ours
0:38:54 Why would we even begin to imagine that we can express an opinion that is meaningful
0:39:01 Do you see it almost like we’re walking into a different species of human entirely? I mean unquestionably that’s happening
0:39:05 One of the really interesting things that’s going on is this thing called CRISPR
0:39:09 genetic engineering
0:39:10 What is what is that?
0:39:14 CRISPR genetic engineering. I know you did you did some kind of
0:39:18 DNA therapy, didn’t you I did I did my first gene therapy gene therapy
0:39:24 Yeah, what is what is all of that and what’s the promise that it holds for us CRISPR genetic engineering
0:39:27 And what was your gene therapy? Yeah, currently there’s a ceiling on human lifespan
0:39:34 You know like 120 or so that if you if you live a life a certain way and you’re given a genetic
0:39:41 Lottery, then you can do that but to punch through 120 is very difficult through lifestyle and diet and exercise
0:39:47 And so to to really punch through this ceiling you need to start working at the genetic level
0:39:51 And so whether you’re doing there’s gene therapy whether you’re doing CRISPR
0:39:55 There’s a variety of ways you can start modifying
0:40:04 Your genetic code and this has the power of potential to punch through the ceiling so explain that to an idiot
0:40:06 gene therapy is
0:40:11 Injecting genes into you someone else’s genes genes that have been made in a laboratory
0:40:18 Oh, yeah, so this one is I just got two injections on either side in my obliques here and
0:40:22 What it does is it expresses the protein
0:40:28 Fullest that and so basically I before I have a certain level
0:40:33 I like I’m like eight or nine and once you get the therapy you’re higher like 20 30s 40s
0:40:37 And so it’s just increasing it’s increasing the amount of full of statin in my body
0:40:41 And so like one way to understand this is when you work out
0:40:43 mild statin
0:40:49 Lessons the amount of muscle growth that can happen full statin suppresses mild statin
0:40:52 So you have more muscle mass, but it has a whole bunch of other effects as well
0:40:56 This gene therapy didn’t change my actual genes
0:41:01 It just increases the expression of full statin in my body and how do you know if it works?
0:41:06 Measure them. So yeah, I do routine. Well, so there’s a few things we’re doing
0:41:08 We’re measuring this via my blood
0:41:14 What are my full statin levels before and after and then we’re also measuring my body with MRI and so because I’m the most measured person in
0:41:21 History, we have this interesting vantage point where we can see across my entire body from my muscle and my
0:41:29 My fat and bone and speed and DNA methylation patterns from my speed of aging to my brain health like working at
0:41:37 hundreds and hundreds of data points to see what effect it has and have you found an effect yet our first results are coming back next week
0:41:41 Someone like me who is you know on the high street per se
0:41:49 What are the supplements that are on the high street that that do actually work for anti-aging because people talk about NAD plus and stuff
0:41:54 And they there’s all these clinics now popping up all over London where you can sit in the chair for two hours and have the little
0:42:00 Drip in your arm and stuff and I did it once because my friend had opened a place and I had a very hot chest
0:42:04 Yeah, like a burning feeling in my chest. I don’t know if it’s done anything for me
0:42:09 So I’ve just got it goes back to what I said earlier. You’re just gonna kind of believe in it or not like a religion
0:42:15 Yeah, I mean, it’s best to measure it. So you’re trying to change your
0:42:20 Intracellular NAD. I’m sure other people don’t measure it though. So does it work?
0:42:27 The the drips don’t the drips don’t why you want sustained levels of NAD?
0:42:32 And so we yeah, so I mean we extensively measure my NAD levels and we’ve tested NMN
0:42:38 We’ve tested NR. We’ve looked at all the different modalities. You want sustained levels. So my levels when I first started
0:42:40 I think they were
0:42:43 equivalent of something like 47 years of age and
0:42:49 Now they’re reliably age 18. Like I have that much I have age 18 levels of NAD
0:42:54 interestingly NAD and we dialed that dosage in because I was able to measure it and
0:43:00 The challenge of course is when you do these things that hazardly get a drip or whatever
0:43:02 It’s what you’re saying. It’s a story
0:43:07 It’s a market clever marketing. It’s happy faces. It’s what your friends are doing
0:43:12 But it’s not based on any reality. You need to see it working in your body. Otherwise, you know
0:43:17 Be careful when you’re when you’re doing it. So the only reason it doesn’t work is because it’s not sustained
0:43:22 But it would work if it was sustained. So if I did that every week, then it would work
0:43:27 You have a lot to consider the half-life. Okay. I don’t know all the data on the drip
0:43:32 I know the data much better on NMN and NR but those things then you take them orally
0:43:38 Yeah, orally every day twice a day. Yeah twice a day and those things work. Yeah. Yeah, they reliably
0:43:43 Maintain my NAD my IC NAD levels at an 18 year old level
0:43:46 What are some of those big?
0:43:49 anti-aging therapies or
0:43:58 Businesses or supplements that most people have just thrown themselves into or habits in terms of longevity habits that are just a
0:44:02 Load of BS. I mean most everything
0:44:05 Really? Yeah
0:44:10 Yeah, give me some examples. We I mean everything listed on the the blooper website is
0:44:16 Three years of our effort to try to figure out what has scientific evidence
0:44:20 What can we do in me and measure it and then communicate that out?
0:44:23 Yeah, cuz I want to make sure I avoid
0:44:28 False advertising. That’s right. I got suckered down to do that bloody NAD drip thinking I was gonna be an 18 year old
0:44:31 That’s right. So I don’t want to do that again. Yeah, what do I need to avoid?
0:44:34 I mean, for example, one thing that works is extra virgin olive oil
0:44:37 Well, here’s what I brought with me
0:44:45 Yeah, so you sent me this I did I sent you that in the post. Yeah, I mean so we we tried to
0:44:47 I
0:44:52 Can’t see I’ve got a black bottle of extra virgin olive oil that Brian had sent me about a month ago
0:44:56 It says on the front blueprint Brian Johnson ultra premium
0:45:01 Extra virgin olive oil completely all black bottle. It looks like a wine bottle or on the back of it. It says
0:45:04 with the goal of slowing
0:45:09 His speed of aging Brian Johnson allocates 15% of his precise daily
0:45:13 calorific budget to this extra virgin olive oil
0:45:22 It is rich in polyphenols which studies show can potentially safeguard against various cancers cardiovascular diseases diabetes and
0:45:26 neurodegenerative conditions by providing better reduction of
0:45:29 oxidized LDL than regular Evo
0:45:33 extra virgin olive oil interesting
0:45:35 So that’s the question, you know, if you
0:45:43 What things can I do in my life that are easy and actionable and have a high impact extra virgin olive oil is very close to number one
0:45:45 You really mm-hmm. Why?
0:45:49 Because all the things it says on the back. Yeah, when you there you go
0:45:53 Well, it’s not how you meant to have that
0:46:00 It’s spicy. Yeah, you put some pepper in there. It that’s what premium olive oil tastes like
0:46:03 it’s it’s
0:46:06 It’s good oil. It’s good all virgin olive oil, but nobody should
0:46:09 It’s not nice to drink extra. Oh, it feels quick
0:46:13 It’s very it’s quite thick and smooth
0:46:20 Interesting yeah peppery and smooth if you look at the evidence we we just shared about what this does
0:46:28 It’s unbelievable in the ways it improves health and wellness. It’s better than ozampic
0:46:36 Really it is okay. So explaining what exam exam pick is that’s a diabetes drug that people are using to lose weight
0:46:38 Yeah, so it’s like ozampic is like the fire alarm
0:46:45 And so for example, there’s a study where people lost five point two pounds
0:46:50 Taking evo because I mean evo for nine weeks
0:46:55 In addition to what they’re currently eating yeah
0:46:59 Yep, and when you say taking what do you mean to sprinkling on top of my food or yeah
0:47:03 that the I think the quantity for that study was I think
0:47:06 45 ml daily or something like that it’s between
0:47:10 45 and between 30 and 60 ml daily
0:47:15 But there’s things for example like it it reduces by over 60 percent
0:47:25 invasive breast cancer it reduces your your blood sugar levels by 60 percent post a mill and
0:47:31 Your oxidized LDL levels these are the this is the bad thing your body that’s causing damage by 80 percent post a mill
0:47:34 so I have a tablespoon with every single mill and
0:47:38 It’s yeah, it’s it’s like the super of superfoods and
0:47:45 The problem is most of the olive oil the world does not meet the quality thresholds to make it useful
0:47:49 So you think you’re consuming olive oil that’s actually doing it by having health benefits
0:47:53 If it doesn’t meet very specific criteria, it won’t do it for you. So where do we get it?
0:47:56 This is why I’ve tried it. This is why I solved it because like we basically
0:48:03 Trying to find a olive oil that you can verify meets the specs is very challenging
0:48:07 So we we built a supply chain across both
0:48:15 Hemispheres to acquire the best olive oil in the world to make it just easy. You can trust it the data is shared and the health benefits are
0:48:17 supported by evidence
0:48:21 And this is available online. Yeah, everyone can buy this. Yeah
0:48:26 It’s exciting but that’s an easy one to do go to bed on time and drink your olive oil
0:48:33 You’ve got something down there on the floor, but you wouldn’t tell me what it was. What is it? Yeah, I brought you two things today, okay?
0:48:41 One I brought you a test. Okay. What is it this test? Okay? That’s it. It’s your speed of aging test. Oh, shit
0:48:42 So you should
0:48:44 Everybody should know
0:48:46 Three things, you know, how much you weigh
0:48:49 how fast you’re aging and
0:48:53 The duration of your nighttime erections
0:49:01 Is that what the other thing that’s the other dice? Oh, shit. So we basically yeah, so both these are going to give you
0:49:03 a
0:49:05 Good baseline with where you’re at in life
0:49:08 So, how do I how do I do?
0:49:12 How do I do this? I can I can administer. Oh, yeah
0:49:20 I can administer that test for you if you want though. I what it requires is will prick your finger. Yeah, get a little blood. Yeah
0:49:25 Put it on the card. Yeah, and then we’ll send it to the processing to the to the
0:49:34 The center where they’re going to process that you’ll get your results back and it will tell you how fast your aging clock is internally
0:49:37 How does it know that from a prick of blood?
0:49:39 Because your body leaves
0:49:47 Chemical signatures that reveal the data. Okay, and then I can reverse that presumably. Yes. You yes, exactly
0:49:52 So if you let’s say you get a result back and let’s just say it’s one so you’re aging I
0:49:58 Can normal person would average person you could potentially slow your speed of aging to
0:50:00 0.6
0:50:06 Which means while all of your friends are aging at a normal rate, you would get
0:50:10 September October November and December for free. I’d love that. Yeah, how?
0:50:17 Olive oil goes sleep exercise a good diet. It’s the basic stuff the basic stuff
0:50:23 And what is this other contraption that you that is how all you can measure your night corrections? I
0:50:29 Mean where am I gonna put that? Yeah, so you
0:50:32 You put it on your shaft
0:50:37 And just gently out there go gently pull that and so you put there you go
0:50:40 Put on the mic
0:50:42 Yeah
0:50:49 Yep, and then you put it on the on the base and
0:50:55 You put on and you you think you presume that it’s gonna be an irritation
0:50:59 It’s gonna bother you you’re gonna fill it once you put it on and you go to sleep
0:51:02 You can’t fill it. You know, what does it do like vibrate in the night or something? So yeah
0:51:10 There’s no vibration, but you you have erections throughout the night. Yeah, and when you can correct
0:51:17 The expansion of your penis will be captured by that device and it will show
0:51:22 how many erections you had and for what duration and what strength and I
0:51:30 Have got you so you put your you put your you go to sleep you put your penis inside it like like that and then
0:51:35 When you have an erection during the night it’ll expand and log it
0:51:38 Yes, I’ll keep logging every time you have an erection in the night
0:51:42 That’s right, and then we’ll tell you you had four erections tonight. You know that during that duration of sleep
0:51:49 They were 47 minutes 31 minutes 55 minutes and whatever and of this strain of this quality of erection type
0:51:55 And then this data it’s really important because it represents psychological health sexual health
0:51:57 cardiovascular health it is basically
0:51:59 People are not familiar
0:52:02 Yeah, you go to the gym and build big biceps or whatever
0:52:06 But people are not familiar that nighttime erections are actually a meaningful health indicator
0:52:11 And so you’ve been measuring your nighttime erections have and what have you found out and how have you been able to improve it?
0:52:17 Yeah, my my average right now is two hours and 12 minutes. So you’re erect at night for two hours and 12 minutes. Yes
0:52:26 What are you dreaming about for so the thing is we’re not aware of our erections most of the time and
0:52:35 So by my current erection amount is equal to roughly my chronological age for me to be equal to an 18 year old
0:52:38 I would need three hours and 30 minutes
0:52:43 Interesting of nighttime erections. So that’s the goal. We’re trying to achieve is is we’re basically I mean no one’s ever done this before
0:52:47 We’re trying to figure out can you improve nighttime erection?
0:52:54 Do you put this on your penis every night? No, just in I’ll do it three to five days in a row
0:53:02 So most most nights of the week you’ll put this on your penis. I’m sorry. So I’ll do for example in like oh, okay
0:53:07 One month yeah in like a month or two months. I’ll do if I three to five and it depends on what therapies
0:53:09 We’re doing and so I what I coupled up with that is
0:53:12 We’re trying to
0:53:15 Come on Brian grow up
0:53:22 I’m just playing with it. It’s just interesting. Yeah, oh I coupled this up with
0:53:25 Shockwave focused shockwave therapy
0:53:29 and so there’s this technology you have a wand and
0:53:36 You sit in a chair and then the technician uses the wand and basically shocks your penis
0:53:39 through
0:53:46 Through the acoustic technology and it’s like it does the same thing as workouts doing what you’re creating micro injuries
0:53:52 So then it rebuilds and so this technology is used for all over the entire body
0:53:58 If you’re trying to heal an ACL or you’re trying to reduce the knees or the joints shoulders
0:54:01 So the technology that has a broad range of applications
0:54:07 It’s also used for erectile dysfunction. So while my scores are I have no sexual dysfunction
0:54:10 I’m my score perfect in every category
0:54:14 We’re wondering if you take this therapy this focus up with therapy
0:54:20 And if it will just basically rejuvenate the penis and increase night-time erections. Is there any early evidence that that’s working?
0:54:23 Yes, I’ve been shocked
0:54:27 By the results. I’m now two months in
0:54:31 It’s my subjective experience is it’s as if
0:54:35 My penis has gotten like 15 years younger
0:54:43 So we’re still in the early stages we delete the measure we need data before we’re gonna believe anything
0:54:45 subjectively
0:54:47 I’m in
0:54:53 When you say when you say a shock, do you mean a painful shock or is it like a you know like a the kind of shock you pay for?
0:54:56 I
0:55:00 Tell me more. Is it like a nice feeling is it like a vibration or is it like a
0:55:08 Is it painful? It’s painful. Yeah, you you need to be focused like you need to do pain management. Yes, it’s interesting
0:55:10 It’s a it’s like
0:55:14 Maybe a seven out of ten, but then once you get to the tip
0:55:20 It’s like, oh, no, they want to suck the whole thing. Yeah, it’s like a nine out of ten because you the tip
0:55:26 You have improved sensitivity, so it generates in addition to what we’re trying to do the night-time erections
0:55:27 It also
0:55:28 improves
0:55:30 erection strength and orgasm
0:55:35 Pleasibility so it has all kinds of benefits. I’m trying to figure out physiologically what’s going on there
0:55:42 So you shock the penis you give a big electric shock to the penis and then it rebuilds like a muscle would yes
0:55:47 And that causes it to be more effective going forward. Yeah. Yeah, it’s it’s a
0:55:50 Acoustic technology, so it’s not like an electrical shock. I
0:55:55 this kind of brings I guess this brings me in part to the
0:55:59 Thing you use on your abs the 20k set-up machine thing. I
0:56:02 When I was younger in my house, I think my mum bored in a catalog
0:56:08 She had one of those machines that she put on her abdomen and it gave her an electric shock like and it’s like kind of
0:56:12 Vibrated and I just always thought it was BS. Yeah, I thought the whole industry was just BS
0:56:16 People feel like it’s doing something so they think they’re gonna get abs
0:56:21 But you’ve got like a really extensive impressive machine that does a similar thing. Mm-hmm
0:56:25 Yeah, using electromagnetic frequency. Yeah, and it works. It does. How do you know?
0:56:28 We’ve looked at it for the MRI and
0:56:34 The muscles are being like broken down and regenerated from the electric shock. Yeah. Yeah, we’ve been cheating
0:56:39 So you’ve got have you got a six pack I
0:56:43 Suppose it’s defined to some extent
0:56:46 You’re gonna have to show us
0:56:53 With your permission, of course, because we don’t force people to undress on the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don’t know like
0:56:57 Yeah, you’ve got yeah, yeah, I won’t show mine
0:57:02 Not right now. I’ve been in it. Oh, I showed you mine. Yeah, but it’s it’s
0:57:08 You’ve been doing this for three years fine. Yeah, I’m new I’m gonna work my way up with the penis shock thing and then I’ll
0:57:15 Think can you imagine being in a conversation and everyone else knows their erection the nighttime erections
0:57:18 And you don’t like can you imagine the embarrassment you’d feel?
0:57:25 No, I can’t imagine no one I know is how long they’re
0:57:33 I’m playing because it’s like it’s of course, it’s a novel idea. Nobody measures their erections
0:57:36 It’s not part of a social norm, but you can imagine the humor
0:57:40 View finding someone having a car a casual conversation like yeah
0:57:44 I had a really great night sleep last night new peak record on erection duration and
0:57:47 No, it’s gonna become a thing
0:57:53 I know it is because sexual health and sexlessness and relationships and libido are actually a really big topic at the moment for a
0:57:57 Lot of people I I’ve been in relationships where there’s been libido issues and things like that
0:58:02 And I’ve got friends that I’ve got libido issues and sexual health issues and things like that
0:58:07 So it we joke about it, but they’re it’s not a joke for a lot of people and it can lead to
0:58:14 Relationships breaking down and families breaking down and yeah, so I don’t I do think it’s a serious topic
0:58:20 And if it this therapy can help people get their erections back and bring their sex life back
0:58:26 Then that’s an amazing thing. Yeah the yeah, the testimonials of the technology are pretty compelling people with ED
0:58:31 That it’s may it’s causing a significant problem of their own self-confidence of
0:58:38 Their partners. It’s a big deal like when when you can’t get erect. It’s a very big problem
0:58:45 Your penis is 15 years younger you believe. I mean, this is a subjective assessment. It’s just like you know
0:58:52 As you age your body becomes less firm and more saggy right across muscle skin
0:58:58 Penis like you just lose structure across your entire body and it’s
0:59:05 Improved the structure of my penis. Your hair looks like it’s changed as well since we last spoke
0:59:08 You look like you’ve got a full ahead of hair. Hmm
0:59:13 What’s what’s been going on there? The the protocol I have is I do
0:59:16 platelet-rich plasma
0:59:20 Every 30 to 60 days. So that that is the process where you draw blood from a vein
0:59:27 You spin it up and you separate the blood from the plasma and you take the plasma and then we add
0:59:30 acyl and
0:59:33 Deutasteride so it’s a concoction of plasma
0:59:42 acyl deutasteride and it’s a total volume of between 1315 milliliters and then it’s injected
0:59:45 across the entire head or in the areas that would be balding and
0:59:50 Then I also do red light therapy daily, which we spoke about
0:59:55 Where that cap for six minutes and then I have a nightly concoction
1:00:01 That includes a few things like Madox and Minoxidil and a few others. This is all on my website
1:00:06 So the the recipe the protocol is all there for everybody
1:00:13 But yeah, I mean I I started losing my hair in my early 30s and it’s it’s really hard
1:00:17 To as a I mean with my genetics. It’s very very hard for me to maintain hair
1:00:23 So I’ve had to work very hard at it. What is hair loss anyway? Why does our hair recede? What’s going on?
1:00:27 It doesn’t happen in women. Yeah, I know if you typically
1:00:34 Yeah, it’s it’s really quite annoying that is such a big problem. I
1:00:37 Wish I didn’t have to pay attention to it as much as I do
1:00:46 Why I just requires constant attention and it’s a
1:00:48 I
1:00:53 The technology is not that great yet, you know, like you’re you’re basically trying to slow the process
1:00:57 You’re trying to improve follicle strength. You’re trying to prevent future damage
1:01:03 But it’s not like something what I could like a gene therapy where I with two injections. I
1:01:08 You know, let’s go up three or four X my the production of that critical
1:01:12 Biochemical my body
1:01:16 It’s not the case there’s now there’s technology people are working on for cloning
1:01:19 So you take a few of your follicles you clone that and you reimple you put them in
1:01:23 So basically like doing a hair transplant, but you’re cloning you’re doing your own your own hair
1:01:27 So there’s other technologies that are emergent that are promising. There’s not a market yet
1:01:32 So yeah, it’s it’s hard and it’s like being as a man being bald is
1:01:37 A meaningful thing right because it’s a significant psychological situation
1:01:40 So like if you look if you take through the issues of be of like a man
1:01:46 Would really struggle with psychologically, you know being bald not being able to have erections
1:01:50 like those those like two of your top five things and
1:01:53 So as you know, I hope that
1:01:55 The things I talk about publicly
1:02:00 help break the stigma around it so that
1:02:04 People feel hope they can do something about it. They don’t have to hide it
1:02:09 It’s challenging and it’s heavy to deal with it. What do you think about air quality?
1:02:11 I’ve been thinking a lot about this at James Nestor on this podcast
1:02:16 He was talking to me about the harm of like in room co2 and stuff like that
1:02:21 Yeah, I agree my house is I have devices
1:02:27 Around the entire house measuring those things every moment of every day and I have air filters in every room
1:02:33 And so the quality air quality in my house is pristine in Los Angeles the air quality is not great
1:02:36 And so I typically will avoid
1:02:41 Significant outdoor activities on days where the air quality is particularly bad, but I’m always aware of it
1:02:46 So I have monitors in my house that tell me the outdoor air quality and the indoor air quality in every room
1:02:48 What’s the harm that you’re trying to avoid?
1:02:51 It’s damaging. There’s like the the p2
1:02:54 2.5
1:02:59 There’s a few things that are very damaging and they can get lodged for example in your lungs and it’s very hard to get it out
1:03:03 So there’s a lot of sustained damage. That’s just hard to undo
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1:03:11 Yes, it’s tollo. So honey tollo. Hey tollo. Okay. Will you come on out?
1:03:20 Hey, there’s a 27 year old former fashion strategist and his Brian’s chief marketing officer, but she’s also the first woman to ever
1:03:24 Sign up and follow the blueprint
1:03:27 Way of living
1:03:30 In Cater’s here
1:03:32 Okay, so Brian
1:03:34 Who is hate to you?
1:03:43 Kate had the pioneering spirit
1:03:49 That helped give birth to blueprint. We we began working together at Colonel
1:03:55 we were focused on measuring the brain and how humans could co-evolve with AI and
1:04:00 We started talking about the possibilities of what blueprint could be
1:04:04 we were the project was underway and we’re trying to figure out how we could communicate this and
1:04:10 Kate saw the potential immediately and has been building this with me for several years
1:04:16 Why did you decide to work with Brian and why did you decide to develop blueprint? I
1:04:25 Grew up in a very small town with a very small field of view and as I got more experience in the world that view
1:04:31 opened farther and further and I was in New York and I was working in fashion at the time and I was sitting in a cafe and I’d
1:04:37 Spent the year learning about AI coming to mainstream and what how is the human species going to deal with this and
1:04:46 I felt very strongly the only way to proceed forward as a species would be to latch ourselves onto AI and to merge with AI in some way
1:04:49 and so I was in
1:04:53 This position where I had all of this energy and I was like I want to throw it out there into the world
1:04:57 I don’t want to do anything my own and there weren’t many people talking about this as a problem and
1:05:02 One day I was sitting in a cafe and I got an email in my inbox from Singularity University
1:05:08 And it included a quote from this man Brian Johnson back in 2016 and it a reference merging with AI
1:05:11 And I thought that’s the person that I want to
1:05:19 work with and throw my energy toward and so I reached out to him and across like every medium
1:05:26 So literally his media articles email social media and I never heard back and then year after year
1:05:28 I just kept pinging him and pinging him and then eventually I
1:05:33 Moved out to LA to work with Brian. And what’d you do for Brian?
1:05:35 You say you work with Brian. I
1:05:42 intentionally keep it very vague because we do everything together. We are two peas in a pod and
1:05:46 From the very beginning, you know both at Kernel and our blueprint. We’ve just
1:05:51 Done anything and everything that needs to be done. My background is creative
1:05:57 So I lean more toward that side of things for the marketing and and just general brand design that kind of stuff
1:06:02 But yeah, and you’ve become the first woman to follow the blueprint protocol. That’s right. Yes
1:06:05 I remember hearing about the blueprint protocol
1:06:10 Last time we had this conversation and one of the things that stood out to me is the amount of sacrifice
1:06:13 That goes into living in line with it
1:06:18 things like getting up at a certain time and then going to sleep at a certain time and
1:06:21 Things that you eat. Are you following all of that?
1:06:27 Yes, I’m definitely not as extensive as Brian is because I’ve just started the protocol
1:06:33 But that was a big decision factor for both of us when we’re considering this one is it is incredibly
1:06:37 laborious on our team to bring up another person
1:06:43 But not only that it means completely changing my lifestyle and so when we were contemplating doing this decision
1:06:47 I really gave it a lot of serious thought because I know that the public are going to follow along
1:06:49 You know, it’s a really big decision for my life
1:06:53 It’s a big decision for our team for the resources that get put behind it
1:06:55 And so early on we decided that I was going to do a 30-day trial
1:06:59 Before we made any of this public to make sure that am I capable?
1:07:03 Am I willing? Is this something I actually want to take on and so yeah, I meant completely
1:07:06 redefining what my life
1:07:09 Like and lifestyle is and where are we at now with that 30-day trial?
1:07:14 Yes, so I’ve done my 30-day trial and I’m on about day 90 of blueprints
1:07:20 So I successfully did my first 30 days, which was yeah, really really difficult and your day 90 now. Yes
1:07:21 How long are you gonna do it for?
1:07:28 That’s the thing it’s an algorithm. So that was definitely something I was conscious of this is maybe one of the last decisions
1:07:34 I really made because I was deciding to walk into the unknown like I didn’t know exactly how many pills
1:07:39 I’d be taking what my protocol would be how many blood draws would I be going into it was really
1:07:44 Am I okay revoking my conscious mind from making this decision-making and stepping into the unknown
1:07:47 So what does your life look like now on a day-to-day basis?
1:07:52 So I so this this was establishing, you know, the first 30 days was really just the trial and so
1:08:01 I’m we’re still in the process of figuring out, you know, what I’m we’re still in the process of personalizing essentially to to my data
1:08:04 But what I do is I try and get a hundred percent sleep every single night
1:08:11 I do perfect nutrition. So I eat the same thing as Brian every single day. So that’s 1,700 calories perfectly, you know
1:08:16 mapped out and then I take over 60 supplements every single day and I I
1:08:22 Aimed to get a certain amount of cardio and strength training and exercise in every week
1:08:24 And how’s it been going?
1:08:28 It it was really difficult. It was much more difficult than I expected it to be why
1:08:35 The process of doing blueprint is really about
1:08:38 Measurement intervention the measurement again
1:08:43 So when we did my baseline measurements, there were a couple things became apparent
1:08:47 One is that people observe me from the outside and this is how I observe myself as well
1:08:51 So it’s not common other people but that if things look okay from the outside
1:08:52 Things must be okay on the inside too
1:08:54 And so I had a lot of people like saying to me
1:09:00 Oh, usually must be healthy because you know, you look healthy. So you must be fine my baseline
1:09:06 Fitness testing for example put me on like an average of like age 60 or age 70 just based on my flexibility
1:09:11 my strength my, you know, cardiovascular health all those kinds of things
1:09:13 and then
1:09:17 My blood work for example, you know, a few things came back off
1:09:20 Which is to be expected like my vitamin D my zinc which is easy to fix
1:09:26 But then my oxidized LDL came back high, which is extremely concerning. So I’m only 27 years old and these are the kinds of
1:09:33 Flags that you see early on that can lead to things like stroke or you know a build-up in your arteries
1:09:39 That can lead to really serious health consequences. So there were a couple things and there’s like baseline tests for example that
1:09:43 Had a red flag then throughout the process. I would say that
1:09:50 It’s because all of a sudden you’re given this huge task of looking after yourself to perfection
1:09:54 You come face-to-face with the things that are in the way of your
1:10:01 Better of living a better life. So your self-destructive tendencies. And so for me like day one
1:10:04 I had like three different existential crisis like moments, you know
1:10:11 Where my whole life crumbled down because you come face-to-face with things that are in your way that you had never had to deal with before
1:10:17 Like what so, you know, Brian talks about evening Brian the Brian that you know over eight between 5 and 7 p.m.
1:10:21 Or 10 p.m. Every night for me is priority Kate. I
1:10:25 Didn’t realize before I did blueprint that
1:10:28 My whole life has been structured around
1:10:35 Helping other people and never focusing on myself. It was like I was completely blind to the fact that any opportunity I get I would deflect
1:10:42 For myself and be like, how are you doing? What can I do for you? You know, because I realized that I didn’t have a relationship with self where
1:10:47 If other people couldn’t see it, I just neglected it
1:10:53 So in like little things it meant that I would schedule meetings back-to-back and I wouldn’t make time to you know
1:10:55 Use the restroom or eat or have proper sleep
1:11:01 And then 10 p.m. Would roll around and finish work and the only thing that was left open was McDonald’s and so that’s what I would eat for dinner
1:11:07 Or you know, if a friend if I committed to hang out with him on a weekend. There was no way I was going to you know
1:11:12 Say that I can’t do that anymore just to get enough sleep because you know
1:11:17 Ultimately I cared more about the other people’s perceptions and my my own actual well-being people pleaser. Yes
1:11:24 People please are big time and just do blueprint. It’s sounds like it’s the antithesis of people pleasing
1:11:26 yeah, I would say so and
1:11:34 It’s kind of like that, you know Brian references this but the the airplane example where you want to put your own mask on before you can
1:11:36 Help others so, you know in this process
1:11:42 I’ve slowly learned that I am functioning better and I can actually do more of that people pleasing in a weird way anyway
1:11:46 By looking after myself first what what I have been the
1:11:53 Although it’s just been 90 days. What have you noticed changes so as far as actual like results and data. It was it was very
1:11:57 straightforward everything improved from across the board
1:12:05 so my my restorative sleep increased by 19% in 30 days my flexibility improved my strength improved like my
1:12:12 My leg press one wrap rem wrap one rep max went from 220 pounds to 360 pounds in 30 days
1:12:15 I did via two max testing
1:12:19 So my body’s ability to use oxygen when I first did at the start of 30 days
1:12:21 I was put at the 51st percentile
1:12:24 So if you look at like an age graph, you’d be able to predict exactly what age I am
1:12:27 I was spot-on average and then after 30 days
1:12:35 I had increased into the top 7% of fitness for my age and gender which is huge for me because I am someone who has never excised a day
1:12:41 In my life before this I’d never gone on runs. I hated the gym. I’d never been trained in the gym
1:12:44 It was just something that was like the antithesis of anti-kate, you know
1:12:52 So yeah huge huge changes on my end and my blood work improved. We’re still waiting on my oxidized LDL to come back
1:12:58 But generally everything everything looks really good. What’s your take on that and things that have improved and the changes you’ve seen in her I
1:13:01 think the most interesting and
1:13:07 entertaining was the existential crises where they became so frequent
1:13:13 I would send her messages just like in a joking fashion like hey, like I hope your existential crisis is going well today
1:13:20 How can how can I help? Yeah, but she really was I I applaud her because she jumped in with both feet and
1:13:24 She was willing to share the entirety of her internal experience. So she didn’t try to
1:13:30 Camouflage any of her pain. She didn’t try to be tougher than she was
1:13:35 She was just open and transparent about the entire process and I think that people around us the entire team and
1:13:42 Those observing drew a lot of inspiration because she was open about everything about what she was struggling with internally and
1:13:46 She was willing to step into the problem. Like she she didn’t miss a single day
1:13:53 And that’s hard like there’s a lot of motivation to quit or to take a day off and so I am really pleased that
1:13:57 She gave it a go and
1:14:01 She prevailed it would have been very easy for her to quit
1:14:04 Hey, you’re 27. Yes
1:14:14 Sacrifice yeah, people think of 20 your 20s sacrifice. They think going out partying. Did you do that stuff before?
1:14:17 Did you like day, you know, all that kind of stuff? Yeah, yeah
1:14:22 No, I definitely was a big consideration for me and like the other thing to add is blueprint
1:14:25 especially at the level we’re trying to do this out is a
1:14:29 Full-time endeavor and so you have to fit this into your existing lifestyle
1:14:33 And so it’s really difficult even things like, you know, during that 30-day trial
1:14:37 We travel for work and I remember we got back one day and it was like 6 p.m.
1:14:39 Or something like that and everyone was like
1:14:45 Zonked after being on the road for three days or something like that and I was like, I gotta go exercise now guys and everyone was like what?
1:14:50 But that’s a thing like, you know, my data it demanded it my body demanded it
1:14:54 And so I was gonna do it. It wasn’t about, you know, what I wanted in that moment or not
1:14:58 So it is a very intense thing to commit to
1:15:02 As far as like the socializing and all that kind of stuff
1:15:07 Yeah, I was someone who, you know, would stay up. I mean, I would stay up working a lot of the time
1:15:11 Like I’m a grind culture child. Like I I really did throw myself into it
1:15:16 So I would say that’s probably the thing that changed the most on the socializing thing. Like my friends have been so
1:15:23 Accommodating, you know, I and we’d go out for brunch still and I would bring my blueprint in and just sit at the table
1:15:28 While, you know, other people are having their, you know, maybe their mimosas with orange juice in it
1:15:31 But yeah, I think there have been
1:15:37 Easy ways to make it fit into my life and the people around me have been really accommodating, which is lovely
1:15:39 What’s been the biggest and the hardest sacrifice?
1:15:44 The thing that you, you know, maybe on the difficult days you miss a little bit
1:15:51 You know, it’s just so sad but my the first thing that comes to my mind is milk lattes. Like I was such a typical, you know
1:15:59 Yeah, young person now, but yeah, I you know, there’s like little you you realize you come face to face the fact that a lot of
1:16:05 Life’s small joys are baked into the things that you do on a routine basis
1:16:09 And so it took me a while to remap those things. Um, but now you drink before
1:16:13 No, I mean, I was I was like a normal normal person. Yeah
1:16:17 So drinks on the weekend with friends when you feel a little bit guilty if you quit doing this
1:16:21 After everything the team have invested in you Brian’s faith in you
1:16:25 Does that not feel like a bit of a pressure? Yes, it does. However
1:16:32 This was also you can’t let those things drive you when you’re on blueprints. So for example
1:16:36 I halfway through my my third day period. I
1:16:41 Started to really not feel great and I would watch my heart rate, you know
1:16:44 As you get better exercises exercise your fitness improves
1:16:49 It’s harder to get your heart rate up and I was going against this metric of I need to get my heart rate over
1:16:54 3 beats per minute to hit this vigorous heart rate zone to get my markers
1:17:00 Up and I was pushing myself and pushing myself. I was you know, I documented all this all you know for out
1:17:03 YouTube channel and whatnot, but I was
1:17:07 At this point where I was crying on the weekend. I was like, I don’t know if I can do this
1:17:10 Like I think I have to give up because I just couldn’t get my heart rate up
1:17:15 And it took me a second to realize that priority Kate had snuck in again, but in this really
1:17:22 Subtle, you know backdoor kind of way where I was holding myself to this expectation of I needed to
1:17:26 Do these very intense things so I could prove to the public that I can do this
1:17:29 I’m going to be you know, this blueprint access when in reality
1:17:33 The blueprint way is actually to stop look at the data and if I had done that
1:17:35 I really would have seen that my my hrv was down
1:17:38 My recovery was down like my body was asking for a break
1:17:43 But my conscious mind was stepping in and saying you need to prioritize the viewpoint of others
1:17:48 And how they’re going to think of you and make sure you just hit these goals regardless of what the data says
1:17:50 So I think that to answer your question
1:17:55 If I’m people pleasing in that way, I just get in my own way
1:17:59 But if you stop and look at the data
1:18:02 That’s where actually the insight comes from
1:18:07 Why did prime? Why did you want hate to do this? Did you want her to do it? And if so, why?
1:18:11 I’m
1:18:16 And we talked about this extensively and I told Kate that there was no pressure. No expectation that
1:18:23 It was entirely her decision that she could think through it. Uh, there were other people that could certainly fulfill the role. So
1:18:26 It was Kate’s call to do it and even when she was doing it
1:18:30 It was entirely her decision whether she wanted to continue and so I made it very very clear
1:18:36 There was no pressure. No, uh overriding assumption that was not being explained. Uh, you know communicated
1:18:38 So that’s why I think the
1:18:45 The the shift in transition from growing culture to taking care of one’s health is there’s so many layers
1:18:49 Uh, people are very fast to come up with excuses and reasons why they don’t want to do it
1:18:55 And I think by Kate doing this it was um a transparent reveal of everything she had stacked up that was stopping her from doing that
1:19:01 And uh, I thought it would be interesting because she she understood the intricacies of the endeavor so thoroughly
1:19:05 And she also was aware of how we were communicating to this and she had this vantage point that was really unique
1:19:09 Uh, so I thought it’d be uh, she’d be a perfect candidate to do it. Uh, but again
1:19:13 No obligation entirely her call if she thought this would be a good move for her. Okay
1:19:16 Blink once if you’re being held hostage
1:19:23 Do you want to die
1:19:25 I want
1:19:27 To have the opportunity to live
1:19:32 You want you want to have the opportunity to live that’s very intentional because he said he doesn’t want to die
1:19:34 Yeah, you might have seen on the shirt
1:19:42 Yeah, you want what’s the nuance there? I don’t mind the idea of death, you know, if it happens it happens, but I would love to
1:19:47 Be able to spend each minute living as much as possible. And so that’s what this is for me
1:19:49 I think I’m
1:19:53 I’m on the same page with you. Yeah, I I’m not scared of dying
1:19:58 Um, I don’t think you’re scared of dying. Are you brian? You’re not scared of dying. Um, but
1:20:02 When I like the opportunity to live on I would like the opportunity to live on
1:20:05 But I do also think that what makes life
1:20:09 enjoyable is the scarcity the fact that I’m
1:20:12 Me sitting here now is me choosing
1:20:15 Not to do everything else is why this is so special. Yeah
1:20:21 Totally agree. So also, you know, I find this like idea of the fear of death and people kind of
1:20:26 Like balking at that it’s interesting to me because I think if anything is more rational to fear
1:20:27 I would say it’s death
1:20:30 Like out of all the fears I could have in life fear of death
1:20:34 It’s probably one that I would choose to have, you know, that makes sense to me. I’d love to
1:20:39 To to really want to live every single second of the day
1:20:40 Yeah, same
1:20:46 What how do you think about what we just said that the fact that we are going to die creates the specialness in the life that we have
1:20:49 I don’t think
1:20:51 We know what we’re talking about. Okay fair enough
1:20:58 I know I do understand what you’re saying. I think I lose everybody like, you know, kate is a much more relatable person
1:21:02 Like she you know, she says things that people are like that’s sensible and I understand that and I say something people are like
1:21:04 That’s really weird. I’m not quite sure what to do with that
1:21:07 but I really
1:21:14 And so I really am trying very hard to be more understandable to be more relatable and have these viewpoints, but I
1:21:17 I can’t seem to land this idea
1:21:22 That it’s possible
1:21:29 We are so primitive in our current way of being that we wouldn’t even dare ask ourselves our own opinions about anything
1:21:35 When you talk about this playing it forward into the future and asking future civilizations about us or and then playing it backwards
1:21:39 That does help me understand it because if you’d gone a million years
1:21:44 Backwards and ask them about us. They never would have been able to predict this incredible world
1:21:49 And we’re probably living like four times longer than they did anyway. Yeah, since we’ve since we last spoke
1:21:55 Is there anything that’s been on your mind that you uh, you think is important as an update for the listeners who listened to the last episode?
1:21:59 Yeah, I mean we we it was a
1:22:03 Fun couple months. We had gene therapy. I published a book
1:22:05 and
1:22:06 We kate
1:22:09 completed her 90 days of of first female on blueprint
1:22:12 uh, doing the full program
1:22:17 We made available for free the entirety of the recipes of blueprint. So we basically we’ve made for free
1:22:22 The dietary protocol all the exercises all the supplements
1:22:29 A book like we basically what I hope is we’ve given a blueprint for the future evolution of being human
1:22:32 And we’ve made everything available for free for everyone all over the world
1:22:34 Wow
1:22:36 And what comes next?
1:22:39 The best is yet to come
1:22:42 Yeah, we’ve got a couple fun projects. Just give me one. Uh, let’s see
1:22:50 It’s another gene therapy. Okay. Yeah to do what to extend life
1:22:54 I mean if we really are trying to punch through the ceiling
1:23:00 Then we you can only do so much with diet sleep and exercise and we’ve kind of mastered those things
1:23:02 So now we’re trying to level up on more powerful therapies
1:23:07 Exciting look forward to hearing the question that’s been left for you in the diary is
1:23:10 dnx guest
1:23:12 As you look back on the interview right now
1:23:20 What’s one thing you wish you said or did differently? Yeah, okay
1:23:26 I I don’t know if I did this justice. So I want to I want to communicate
1:23:29 with more clarity that
1:23:36 Regardless of the data and how I feel and all these kinds of things the thing that I always come back to on whether or not
1:23:38 This is the right decision for me as in
1:23:41 blueprint is
1:23:46 And who’s doing a better job of looking after Kate? Is it
1:23:52 Current Kate or past Kate and I would argue that even if it’s only a marginal improvement
1:23:54 It’s worth
1:23:57 Taking this step toward looking after oneself just a little bit better
1:24:01 And so that’s how I feel about this whole process is like no, I know based on the data
1:24:05 I know based on my subjective experience based on any other metric that I’m
1:24:09 Doing a better job now than I was previously. So which Kate’s happier
1:24:12 I think
1:24:15 Kate has no control over her own happiness. And so
1:24:19 I almost never try to optimize her happiness
1:24:22 When Brian sat down, he said I’m the happiest I’ve ever been
1:24:25 Yeah, is this the happiest you’ve ever been? Yes
1:24:30 Yeah, purely go ahead. This Kate’s happier than old Kate. Yes
1:24:33 but I would say that
1:24:34 Kate
1:24:37 Always is biased to saying that Kate is always the happiest
1:24:40 In any given moment Kate is generally a very optimistic and happy person
1:24:44 And it’s the blueprint different for women than it is for men
1:24:47 Because there’s different sort of hormonal and physiological
1:24:52 Elements to men and women. Yeah, that’s what we’re currently in the process of figuring out
1:24:57 So it took Brian like two three years and millions of dollars to get his protocol stabilized
1:25:01 So we’re currently in that process of figuring out how are we tuning it to to my to my
1:25:06 Hormones and levels and tracking my data. So we’re in a very exciting period
1:25:10 Have you kept account of how many millions of dollars it’s cost you to do this?
1:25:12 Uh, yeah at the county. It’s um
1:25:20 Probably three to four at this point. Yeah, the majority of that has been on the measurement protocols. It’s the scientific research
1:25:24 It’s like, uh, yeah trying to get your head around everything. It’s ever been published
1:25:27 Get that structured in a way that’s actionable than doing the measurement
1:25:30 But the actual implementation is very cheap. You’re like, this is the thing is we um
1:25:37 Someone made a comment through the day that this is the the most impactful humanitarian project ever in that
1:25:44 in that the more values being delivered to more people and um, I love the frame that
1:25:49 It’s a species-wide evolutionary plan and
1:25:53 We uh, we’re launching a product. So one of the biggest questions we’ve received
1:25:55 like this is one of the more exciting things we have going on is
1:25:59 When we did blueprint started blueprint, it was never to make money
1:26:02 We never had a commercial plan and we never had like some sneaky idea
1:26:05 It was just like we wanted to pursue the boundaries of science
1:26:09 And then it became a thing and people are like make this easy because I want to do it
1:26:14 But I don’t want to spend the time and so over the past few months. We’ve created a blueprint product stack
1:26:21 And I think that we’ll be ready to launch in 90 days or so. I think it will be competitive with
1:26:24 the most nutritious
1:26:28 product in history
1:26:36 Interesting and it’s a supplement. It’s uh, it’s it’s uh powders and pills food supplement extra virgin olive oil
1:26:43 It’s a whole bunch of stuff. It’s basically I think we’ll be able to deliver to people at a lower cost
1:26:46 You know, whether we’re succeeding this or not, whether we succeeded the number one spot
1:26:49 I like the idea that we’re competing with the best
1:26:51 the best
1:26:57 Most nutritious food product ever built in human history and I like that we are at least competing for that slot
1:26:59 And so I think it would make sense for the un to be
1:27:02 putting blueprint into the hands of people
1:27:09 And uh, then anything else out there and so that’s exciting that it’s we’re just rounding the corner from this novel idea to this
1:27:13 Full-scale humanity-wide
1:27:17 conversation on what can we become and basically trying to
1:27:20 purge from our society
1:27:26 The self-destruction that we’ve embedded within it. Hey, I’ve got one more question few before Brian answers the book question
1:27:32 Yeah, just thought of one go. You want to take it? Um, what can you tell me something that you disagree with Brian on?
1:27:37 Um, that’s actually really really hot because I think we agree on most things
1:27:44 Um, we typically see the world from from pretty different perspectives. We reconcile them ultimately
1:27:47 But we definitely view the world
1:27:49 Uh
1:27:54 Meaningfully different. Yeah. Yeah, I really see myself as an operations manager for
1:27:58 humanity not not because like
1:28:00 I just find that that’s a role that
1:28:07 We have not really tackled as a species yet. You know being able to see the systems that underlie
1:28:12 humanity at this huge scale and so nutrition is one of these things like we
1:28:14 you know
1:28:17 This blueprint stack that we’re working on it’s almost like your
1:28:22 Your mom has packed you a lunchbox and said here’s the basics
1:28:27 Of what your body has requested for today like go out have a great day
1:28:31 You know, you’ve got a budget to go and they have fun in this specific kind of way
1:28:33 But just like here’s what you need at a basic level
1:28:38 I think it’s only a small you can you can change the world with a small
1:28:43 A couple of small changes like that that we just haven’t thought about on that efficient level
1:28:47 If you’re the operations manager of humanity, what is Brian? Brian is the
1:28:55 The visionary behind behind pushing this. I mean when I met there was such a good opportunity to roast me
1:29:11 Okay, so Brian your question then so I will see where can I speak to camera?
1:29:14 Which one?
1:29:16 Okay, great as a
1:29:21 Of last time I was on the podcast. Hi everyone. Nice to see you
1:29:26 You were all so kind to me in the comments on our last video together
1:29:32 And I’ve become accustomed to get pretty beat up about on pretty much everything all the time
1:29:34 and
1:29:40 All of there were so many of you who were so generous and kind and charitable and compassionate and I just really appreciate you
1:29:47 I read all the comments. I find it to be a really informative source about what I’m doing well to communicate what I’m struggling on
1:29:52 And I appreciate your generosity with me as I stumble through
1:29:58 How to communicate ideas that make sense in my mind, but then you know, they don’t land as clearly as others
1:30:03 but I appreciate that you’re willing to entertain the discussion and
1:30:05 Yeah, just a really I was really
1:30:10 Touched by how your your kindness. So you’ve developed a
1:30:13 powerful community
1:30:17 That of highly intelligent compassionate engaging people and I appreciate
1:30:24 Being a member of that because it’s these topics are hard and it’s easy to lob insults and make
1:30:29 derogatory comments. It’s just so easy to try to pick that off as the form of communication
1:30:36 And you know, this community did not they took a different path and it was really encouraging to read
1:30:43 You read every comment. I read most of them. Does that do it? Does any of it ever hurt you?
1:30:46 And maybe you should
1:30:52 Just collected a whole bunch of mean tweets for a youtube video. We have coming out soon
1:30:59 Brian reading mean tweets and honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever seen Brian more happy than reading mean tweets. He absolutely loves it
1:31:02 I did notice that on Twitter. I was like, he really loves
1:31:05 engaging with this stuff
1:31:07 How have you got yourself to that place mentally
1:31:12 Where you can read someone saying some just the worst thing about you and seemingly spin it into a
1:31:14 joke and
1:31:16 Apparently really genuinely not care. Yeah
1:31:21 Not only do I not care. I love it. Why?
1:31:25 I mean, why do I why do I why do I love it?
1:31:29 I mean, it’s really beyond my comprehension. I don’t know
1:31:34 I mean and maybe you know, like in other times in my life, maybe I would have been more sensitive to it
1:31:39 But I mean I people work so hard and making the absolute most cutting
1:31:44 Insult they can generate. I know they they spend a lot of time doing these things
1:31:50 And I appreciate the effort. I mean, you know, like it’s great. I’m not sure why but it does it brings me genuine happiness
1:31:53 I I would wager that Brian
1:31:58 Brian, I love people don’t realize how thoughtful he is every second behind the scenes
1:32:02 He’s constantly thinking about other people and what they’re gonna think
1:32:05 So I feel like you’ve actually explored all of these roasts in your own head
1:32:11 And so to witness them come to life is just like oh fun people having fun with me. Like it’s great
1:32:13 interesting gosh
1:32:16 gosh
1:32:19 I do I do I do think that Brian. I do think that you’re very very thoughtful
1:32:23 I even notice it in the way you answer questions you take a pause often and people don’t typically do that
1:32:26 They just give the answer and then for you to even say to some questions
1:32:28 I don’t know is again a sign of that thoughtfulness
1:32:34 But I always also think people that are that sort of neurotic and thoughtful and always thinking in their head
1:32:38 I think they must be a little bit tortured in some way like it can’t be a pleasant experience to be
1:32:44 That intelligent and thinking about that many things that often because you’re gonna end up thinking about some things that aren’t so great
1:32:48 Yeah, you know what I mean if you can if you have that ability to think
1:32:53 You know, I think that about Elon a little bit as well like he he speaks about being a young man that
1:32:56 had like an existential crisis and
1:33:01 and made him depressed and then he watched hitchhikers guide to the galaxy and that kind of got him out of his depression, but
1:33:06 Being that intelligent and thoughtful comes with a cost now
1:33:10 Yeah, I mean, I I certainly am familiar
1:33:13 with torturing myself
1:33:17 I’ve been in time times in my life like the majority of my life. I actually
1:33:20 vigorously tortured myself
1:33:25 And it’s only been in the past few years in conjunction with blueprint where I have been rid of that torture
1:33:30 And I I think also when people make these biting comments to me
1:33:36 They don’t even compare with the comments. I make to myself. I mean, I am in previous versions of me
1:33:38 I was brutal
1:33:41 To myself in ways and of course, I know all of my
1:33:46 I know the underbelly of you know, so I know how to make the most biting comment to myself
1:33:50 And so I’d say after the experiencing that anyone else trying to
1:33:54 Turn me down just like it’s totally insignificant. It doesn’t mean anything to me
1:33:57 This is the thing like if we
1:34:00 I guess I’ll be sincere for a moment is if
1:34:02 If
1:34:05 How lucky are we to exist
1:34:08 in this moment
1:34:11 And if we’re really trying to figure out how we have the most fulfilling existence
1:34:18 Prioritizing our health and wellness of getting good sleep and eating well and avoiding bad things
1:34:24 Changes your existence. You want different things. You think about different things
1:34:28 You respond differently to people’s comments. You you’re a different human
1:34:32 And this is in in some ways why I don’t trust
1:34:36 So first I don’t trust any of my own responses, but I trust even less
1:34:43 Other people’s responses who are half dead when they’re not sleeping well when they have bad habits
1:34:49 They aren’t thinking clearly. We know this from science that you you become inebriated
1:34:56 And so that’s why when I think about humanity, like do we are we actually of the right mind of clarity?
1:34:59 To say anything about our wants and desires
1:35:05 And I think we’re all just drunk on addiction and we just can’t see our way through this thing
1:35:08 And so when we say I want this or want that or whatever, I don’t believe it
1:35:12 We’re not we’re not our best mind state right now and we don’t trust our own judgment
1:35:16 And this is it’s it’s hard for us to comprehend that because
1:35:21 We have to trust ourselves on a day-to-day basis doing these things and to step take a step back and be like
1:35:25 Could I be wrong about basically everything?
1:35:31 Take so much courage to to even contemplate and it’s offensive to most people’s minds
1:35:35 But really I think it’s where we we are best to be there
1:35:39 To question all these things and and this is how I stumble in these conversations
1:35:43 Like I know even in talking with you today. I know when I say certain things to you
1:35:49 They don’t resonate right you’re like kind of see your point, but like really this this path makes much more sense to me
1:35:54 and uh, yes, I’m really trying to improve at
1:35:57 This game. Uh, it’s a hard one. It’s like
1:36:01 Um, there’s like there’s one story here. I’ll share. Um
1:36:04 It’s my favorite one. So there’s a captain
1:36:10 Navigating the ocean and receives a communication change course 30 degrees north
1:36:18 The captain radials back you change your course 20 degrees south
1:36:25 Gets a radio back. No immediately change 30 degrees north. Now at this point the captain is irritated
1:36:30 His authority their authority has been challenged. So captain radials back
1:36:36 This is fleet commander so-and-so of the battalion so-and-so and whatever change 30 north
1:36:39 And of course, this has always worked for that person
1:36:45 Uh, always use force and authority and bowling to get whatever the objective is and the communication comes back
1:36:48 I’m a lighthouse
1:36:50 Change course 20 south
1:36:53 In this conversation as a species
1:36:58 We are the fleet commander our minds are the fleet commander. We believe we can
1:37:01 Bully our way through any conversation
1:37:07 Is the future worth living? I’ll tell you right now. Do I want this cigarette? I’ll tell you right now
1:37:10 Do I want to sleep versus something else? I’ll tell you our mind
1:37:14 Has an infinite depth of answers and it knows all things
1:37:20 I think the future could potentially be a lighthouse
1:37:26 When we offer up a response about something we want fill think imagine whatever
1:37:31 Our tactic that has always worked for us in the past so we can just bully our way through all things
1:37:34 Is somehow not going to work anymore because it’s a lighthouse
1:37:37 And that’s what the future feels like to me
1:37:41 Is we cannot use the tactics that have worked for us in the past
1:37:45 That the circumstances have changed so radically
1:37:50 The new the old rules don’t apply a new game is coming and like sure
1:37:52 We don’t know what’s going to happen and sure we don’t know if it’s even positive or negative
1:37:55 We don’t even know if we’ll have a conception of positive or negative like maybe those ideas
1:37:59 We even go away like we have no clue whatsoever
1:38:05 What our existence would be like and this is like why purging society of this stuff is interesting to me like
1:38:09 Why would we not wage war right now like wage war on this?
1:38:12 It’s it’s ruining our chances of the future
1:38:17 Like even something like the halloween halloween holiday traditions
1:38:20 Why are we contributing to the dying of our children?
1:38:25 By giving them sugar as they walk around from house to house like how are we this foolish?
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1:38:38 No, it’s true though, but that’s the way we design society
1:38:45 But I’m hopeful about that because conversations like this and all the podcasts out there that are having these conversations are changing the dial
1:38:48 I’ve seen an evolution in myself over the last 12 months of doing this
1:38:54 The the types of subjects we’re talking about and sugar and ultra processed foods and sleep and all of these things
1:38:58 So if it’s gently nudging me, I’m convinced it’s gently nudging my listeners
1:39:00 And there’s more shows like this all around the world
1:39:06 And we’re all kind of becoming awakened to it because we’re feeling the symptoms the symptoms of that discontent the depression
1:39:14 Inflammations killing everybody and cardiovascular diseases. So I think it feels like there’s a slow but certain uprising
1:39:19 In society. I agree. I I feel that I perceive the same thing
1:39:24 Thank you so much, Brian. Thank you so much. Kate. I really appreciate you sharing that with me
1:39:29 So interesting and I really hope we can have this conversation again when you hit more milestones
1:39:36 Everybody needs to go and get the extra virgin olive oil because as I said, everybody’s been raving about this extra virgin olive oil
1:39:40 But as I said a second ago, I really really trust yours. So that will be the one that I’m stocking in my house
1:39:43 Thank you, Brian. Thanks for having us. Thank you
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