The Gray Area with Sean Illing

  • The Philosophers: Stoic revival

    Sean Illing talks with author Ryan Holiday about Stoicism — a philosophy with roots in ancient Greece and which flourished in early imperial Rome — and how it can help us live fulfilling lives today.…


  • Station Eleven’s creator on the end of the world

    Vox’s Alex Abad-Santos sits down with Patrick Somerville, the creator and showrunner of HBO’s critically-acclaimed series Station Eleven, adapted from the novel by Emily St. John Mandel. They talk about the weirdness of making a…


  • The racist origins of fat phobia

    Vox’s Anna North talks with Da’Shaun Harrison, the activist, author, and 2022 Lambda Literary Award recipient for their book Belly of the Beast: The Politics of Anti-Fatness as Anti-Blackness. Da’Shaun explains the ways in which…


  • The fight for Ukraine — and democracy

    Sean Illing talks with historian and author Timothy Snyder about the war in Ukraine, the stakes for Europe and the rest of the world, and the battle between Putin’s autocracy and democracy being waged. They…


  • The war on trans people

    Vox’s Emily St. James talks with Chase Strangio of the ACLU about the assault on the rights of trans Americans taking place in many states across the country. They explain why laws that recently passed…


  • Michael Ian Black on being a better man

    Sean Illing talks with comedian and author Michael Ian Black about his book A Better Man, in which Black writes a letter to his son about masculinity, vulnerability, and the importance of empathy, among other…


  • Carmen Maria Machado’s haunted feminine

    Vox’s Constance Grady talks with writer Carmen Maria Machado, whose 2017 short story collection Her Body and Other Parties was a National Book Award finalist. In this episode, which is a recording of a live…


  • The rise and fall of America’s monuments

    Jamil Smith talks with Erin Thompson, professor of art crime and author of Smashing Statues: The Rise and Fall of America’s Public Monuments. They discuss why we honor horrible people from the past in metal…


  • The Philosophers: America’s philosophy, with Cornel West

    Sean Illing talks with Cornel West about the American philosophical tradition known as pragmatism. They talk about what makes pragmatism so distinctly American, how pragmatists understand the connection between knowledge and action, and how the…


  • Why accidents aren’t accidental

    Vox’s Marin Cogan talks with author and journalist Jessie Singer, whose book There Are No Accidents asks us to completely rethink our understanding of accidents as seemingly random, blameless, harm-inducing events. Marin and Jessie discuss…