The Gray Area with Sean Illing

  • The rise and fall of America’s monuments

    Jamil Smith talks with Erin Thompson, professor of art crime and author of Smashing Statues: The Rise and Fall of America’s Public Monuments. They discuss why we honor horrible people from the past in metal…


  • The Philosophers: America’s philosophy, with Cornel West

    Sean Illing talks with Cornel West about the American philosophical tradition known as pragmatism. They talk about what makes pragmatism so distinctly American, how pragmatists understand the connection between knowledge and action, and how the…


  • Why accidents aren’t accidental

    Vox’s Marin Cogan talks with author and journalist Jessie Singer, whose book There Are No Accidents asks us to completely rethink our understanding of accidents as seemingly random, blameless, harm-inducing events. Marin and Jessie discuss…


  • Rethinking the “end of history”

    Sean Illing talks with political scientist and author Francis Fukuyama, whose ideas about the “end of history” and the ideological supremacy of liberal democracy became well-known through his 1989 essay “The End of History?”. They…


  • Anita Hill finally gets even

    Vox’s Fabiola Cineas talks with Anita Hill, whose testimony during the 1991 confirmation hearings for now-Justice Clarence Thomas highlighted the prominence of sexual harassment and unwanted sexual advances in the workplace. Hill discusses how those…


  • Elites have captured identity politics

    Sean Illing talks with Olúfẹ́mi Táíwò, whose new book Elite Capture is about how the wealthy and powerful co-opt political movements, and use the language of progressive activism to further their ends. They discuss the…


  • The moral dangers of dirty work

    Vox’s Jamil Smith talks with journalist and author Eyal Press about “dirty work” — the jobs Americans do that, as Press explains, can lead workers to perform morally compromising activities unwittingly. They discuss examples of…


  • Did the sexual revolution go wrong?

    Sean Illing talks with author and Washington Post columnist Christine Emba about whether or not we need to rethink sex. They discuss why, according to the research and reporting in Emba’s new book Rethinking Sex,…


  • Who decides how to conserve nature?

    Vox’s Benji Jones talks with Indigenous leader Kimaren ole Riamit about the role of Indigenous peoples in the conservation movement. Bringing the perspective of his upbringing in the Kenyan Maasai pastoral community as well as…


  • The Philosophers: Loneliness and totalitarianism

    Sean Illing talks with professor Lyndsey Stonebridge about the philosopher Hannah Arendt, author of The Origins of Totalitarianism. Arendt might be best known for coining the phrase “the banality of evil” in her reporting on…