The Gray Area with Sean Illing

  • What happened to American conservatism?

    Vox’s Jamil Smith talks with Charlie Sykes — journalist, author, stalwart “never Trumper,” and a founder and editor-at-large of The Bulwark. They talk about the Republican response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the attraction of…


  • The limits of forgiveness

    Sean Illing talks with philosopher Lucy Allais about the nature, power, and limits of forgiveness. They talk about the role of forgiveness in the dissolution of apartheid in Allais’s native South Africa, the distinction between…


  • The madness behind The Method

    Vox’s Alissa Wilkinson talks with cultural critic and author Isaac Butler about his new book, The Method. They discuss the transformation that the craft of acting underwent, tracing its origins from Konstantin Stanislavski in post-revolution…


  • David Cross is disappointed in you guys

    Sean Illing talks with comedian David Cross, well-known for his decades-long stand-up career, as well as for his role on the cult hit TV show Arrested Development. They talk about the relationship between comedy and…


  • Author Kiley Reid on why we read novels

    Vox’s Constance Grady talks with Kiley Reid, author of the critically-acclaimed novel Such a Fun Age. In this episode, which is a recording of a live Vox Book Club event, they discuss what novels are…


  • The conversation about guns we’re not having

    Sean Illing talks with firearms journalist Stephen Gutowski, founder of TheReload.com. They discuss the major barriers, principles, and blind spots on both sides of the largely stagnant national conversation on guns and gun control in…


  • Why does middle school suck?

    Hillary Frank, the creator of the podcasts The Longest Shortest Time and Here Lies Me, talks with journalist and author Judith Warner about middle school. They discuss the history of middle school in America and…


  • Russia’s war with Ukraine — and reality

    Sean Illing talks with journalist, author, and Russian disinformation scholar Peter Pomerantsev about the invasion of Ukraine. Recorded on Friday, Feb. 25th, they discuss the current state of the conflict, whether or not the warped…


  • Robert Glasper on why Black Radio is back

    Vox’s Jamil Smith talks with musician Robert Glasper, four-time Grammy-winner, about the release of his new album Black Radio III. They discuss Glasper’s distinctive genre-defying sound, his unique gift for musical collaboration, and how he…


  • Could we lose delicious foods forever?

    Vox’s Benji Jones talks with food journalist and author Dan Saladino, whose new book Eating to Extinction documents rare foods and food cultures from around the world, showing how they are being affected by climate…